Mini 1700: Space Mafia (Game Over)

[Slandaar]

I'm town.

That's all I have to say. Quick, easy to read, straight to the point and very informative.

[Slandaar]

Very sure.

[Slandaar]

Just want to find scum.

[Slandaar]

Pedit: Don't we all?

Not all, no.

You will be surprised to learn that there are some evil people who are only looking to lynch innocent townies like myself!

[Slandaar]

5. I asked you a question which you havent answered.

I asked does my early analysis worry you. Which I haven't got a answer to yet. It was a

hypothetial

question

Does it matter that you haven't got an answer when the question was hypothetical?

[Slandaar]

I'm Mafia!!!

VOTE: Sword

[Slandaar]

It's a joke.

What's the joke?

Claiming scum as scum and then saying it's a joke and everyone ignores? that would be amusing for you, yes.

[Slandaar]

Apparently it matters to someone else, so if it matters so much why won't they answer it.

They are not related. Does it matter if the hypothetical question is or isn't answered? (no).

[Slandaar]

I had nothing to post so I just put something random down. I don't have enough time to post as I am packing for my holiday soon.

You should have claimed town (exactly like me) if you didn't have anything to say but wanted to post something.

What did you expect to happen by claiming mafia?

[Slandaar]

I have no opinion on Fraggernaut except he is try hard right out of the gate.

I have Fraggernaut leaning town right now. I don't think scum like to get so much attention on themselves this early into the game. Just from my experience but scum try to lurk first few pages I think.

This is weird.
(Am I doing it right GlassCannon?)

UNVOTE: Sword

I will do some serious posting over the weekend.

[Slandaar]

What do you dislike about my vote?

[Slandaar]

Yes, OK, you're scumhunting, very good.

Can you just let me know you understood why I aimed it at you and no-one else. I am unsure if you did or didn't 'get' it.

[Slandaar]

Glass -

[Slandaar]

Hey there slandaar can I ask who do you think is the towniest player and the scummiest so I can get a better grasp of what your thinking at the moment

For towniest: Sword
For scummiest: Still contemplating.

The fact that you're comfortable placing a vote on a Un'cced PR claim is very worrying.

You are misrepresenting my actions.

[Slandaar]

I am very worried that we have a train on someone who claimed Day 1. Feels like a scum wagon forming.
I honestly think Swords claim is legit and the people trying discredit are either bad town or just scum.

Could you give names for who you think are bad town and scum for discrediting the claim please.

@RedFF, what do you think of this latest move by Sword?

Bad question. Although your point is OK, it's on a player whom you really shouldn't be wasting effort to read. Do you think your point makes a difference with the whole Sword situation?

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I really didn't like this:

I'm Mafia!!!

This is weird.

or:

This confuses me. Seems troll-ish.

[Slandaar]

Nope.

Maybe you should read his posts again and post your findings.

[Slandaar]

1. He claimed vig.
2. He claimed incredibly early.

No need to think about his alignment further.

[Slandaar]

Very good.

Would you like to answer the question I posed to you?

[Slandaar]

I'll provide this when I do my ISO analysis. I've already said what needed to be said in the interactions with Garmr. How am I misrepping when you placed a vote on Sword & left it there? It was worrisome so I flagged it.

What? I didn't ask you and obviously didn't expect you to answer as it wasn't your quote. Now you have me intrigued though so do provide

You said I was comfortable voting an uncc'ed PR which completely misrepresents the situation. I voted an unclaimed player not an uncc'ed PR. (You can vote uncc'ed PR's but this claim is a special situation)

[Slandaar]

You voted for a uncc'ed PR.

I voted an unclaimed player.

He claimed & essentially gave what his role does. How is this situation different? He's still a uncc'ed PR. Not sure what you're trying to say here.

I voted an unclaimed player who later claimed PR. You say you dislike my vote as I was comfortable voting an uncc'ed PR. This is a complete misrepresentation as I had shown no indication I was comfortable with such an action.

For reference: when we are talking about uncc'ed PR I am just talking about this scenario not in general. (Replace uncc'ed PR with claimed vig)

[Slandaar]

Congrats on reading 5 posts and getting scum. Want a medal? For biggest fail of year?

I swear some players just make you want to hit your head against wall and quit.

Maybe you should interrogate red on his suspicion of you? I mean he could be scum trying to mislynch you!

[Slandaar]

Alright something needs to happen.

Slandaar seems just invested enough but says he wants to find scum.again,slight town read.

I am conflicted on this.

1. It seems like scum would read me null at this point in the game.
2. It is literally ridiculous to even mention me saying I want to find scum in his read.

Post your opinions.

[Slandaar]

1. I'm not quite sure where you are going here.. I think you are town..
2.Why is it ridiculous? At that point,that is essentially all you had posted..

In point 1 I am saying, I think, scum would read my play as null as it seems the thing to do considering the situation.

If I say I want to find scum does this

really

influence your read on me? just going to believe me?

[Slandaar]

If you were lying, you would just say VT, or Cop, or Doctor.
You wouldn't say vigilante, and he also added in role modifiers, which REALLY makes me suspicious.

This really doesn't make any sense.

I assume you mean 'if you wern't lying' but then why wouldn't he claim vigilante if he is a vigilante?

Blocky the 'coming soon' needs to explain this not just post some pointless reads.

[Slandaar]

Hey Slandaar, can you elaborate on #1? Why would scum read you null at this point?

Because:
1. They have to explain it (Could be difficult)
2. Why would they when they can leave me as null?
3. I hadn't really done anything and so null seems the standard (easy) read for scum to make.

In reference to Point 2 - I should have looked at least somewhat lynchable at the point he made his post.

It looks like you're saying you think Scorpious is scummy, based on #2, or at least badtown, but in #1 you're saying he's not scum because he's reading you.

You are correct which is why I opened with 'I am conflicted'.

[Slandaar]

I think I like a Blocky lynch.

[Slandaar]

I think I like a Blocky lynch.

Any specific reasons why you think a Blocky lynch is good here? This seems like a fluff sheep play.

VOTE: SwordMaster for the reasons everyone else said

Im leaving my vote on Sword for the day.
If you were lying, you would just say VT, or Cop, or Doctor.
You wouldn't say vigilante, and he also added in role modifiers, which REALLY makes me suspicious.

I assume you mean 'if you wern't lying' but then why wouldn't he claim vigilante if he is a vigilante?

No Reply.

An answer (which is sensible) is required to my question otherwise we assume Blocky is scum.

[Slandaar]

Scorpious what is your opinion on Blocky?

[Slandaar]

I think you should reread what I said. I was talking about the point where Scorp made his read on me.

[Slandaar]

@Frag

pocket attempt? Never heard that..

What's this Scorpious? I see no answer to my question?!

Allow me to remind you of it:

Scorpious what is your opinion on Blocky?

[Slandaar]

I don't understand why you need to do an ISO of the lead wagon before posting your opinion.

[Slandaar]

Well,up until 22,it was RVs nonsense..

125 was a horrendous vote..

then he questions your Sword read. (208)This one bothers me because it seems like he's asking why you are discrediting the "easy" lynch of the day..

262 comes off to me as " people always think I'm scum,so dont do it this game. Woe is me everyone is always wrong about me.. Please dont think I'm scum this game.. Dont like it..

269 he tries to justify his Sword vote. I feel like he thinks this still might be an easy lynch for scum to push..

275 is more woe is me,talking about how 2-3 votes on him are still RVs..

284- lazy ass reads

296- another one on a super inactive player..

339- another declaration of staying on sword.

375-useless fluff

wow,I didn't realize how friggn scummy he really looked.. I would support a blocky lynch..

(sorry for lazy format,on phone)

I forgive you for lazy formatting.

What do you think about the idea that if he is scum he wouldn't try to push a lynch on a claimed vig who is never being lynched? I mean scum should try to look town and he clearly isn't doing that by trying to lynch claimed vig, right?

Because I form my own opinions Slandaar..

I am very glad to hear that Scorpious.

I was simply making the point that maybe, considering deadline is approaching, you should have an opinion of some kind on the leading wagon without having to ISO them.

[Slandaar]

Blocky if you are a vig (that isn't an even night vig obviously) you need to claim immediately.

[Slandaar]

What controversy did it cause? I don't understand.

[Slandaar]

I agree with lynching Gray

VOTE: Gray

[Slandaar]

I suggest you do some research into Gray and then vote him.

No need for a VC.

[Slandaar]

@Slandaar

that was quick(10 posts) There really is nothing to research on him..

he's apparently been looking at ISO since last Friday. Realistically, there is nothing that rings to me as scum aside from inactivity..

we need to get our shit straight though. We are going to start pushing it. I think D1 lynches are imperative. So I would support a gray lynch if needed.

OK I will summarise the case against Gray
1. Gray decided it was a good idea not to catchup in the game (this one) that is near deadline and help lynch a good candidate (in his mind). Instead he posted elsewhere (a lot).
2. I have not found scum (at least none I am sure about) so the lurkers have a much much higher chance of being scum than would normally be applicable.
3. He replaced into this game and has provided no real content at all. He should not have done so if he had such time issues. This again points to scum rather than town with genuine time issues.
4. His I am very busy argument is very bad in conjunction with point 1.

My slot hasn't provided ANY info but 4 cheap catchup reads.

Is this a defence?

What good would lynching me at this point do?

Flip scum -> Good times.

Even in the event you are town it doesn't matter what you posted it's what everyone else posted surrounding the lynch.

@Slandaar Why do you think there's no need for a VC? Town should always want to know where votes stand. Especially if someone is placed at L-2 or L-1.

If everyone just votes Gray why do we need a VC? we don't.

[Slandaar]

@Sland,Scorp
Didn't know I would be losing my job when I replaced. Sorry to disappoint you.

You didn't disappoint me.

Your 4 reasons for voting me are redundant as well. They are all just worded differently. Well 3 has nothing to do with me.

They are all different. 3 relates to you.

But to address your point(s)-
My posting has slowed down ALOT in the last few days. Be careful talking about ongoing games. I'm not going to touch on that anymore.

More tonight.

Not talking about ongoing games we were talking about your on-site activity levels.

[Slandaar]

Can you not spam please or if you have to at least make it mildly amusing. You need to improve your play or you are going to be lynched a lot whatever alignment. Ask questions, answer questions posed to you, post opinions. Simple things.

[Slandaar]

Ok, my slot had claimed yesterday. I shot nugget because I felt he was scum. We are indeed missing a kill. I'm not sure what information this gives us yet, but it should be immensely helpful with things down the road.

Who is nugget?

[Slandaar]

Alright we need to have a better day than yesterday, so, I will actually post contents!

Scum: Scorp/GCslot/Gray maybe fragger. Let me see if I can find some questions for these chaps...

I'm sorry.. You have to explain this to me a little better.

What "further sentiments" are being cemented? and how does this relate to grayfoxxx in any way?

Hello Scorpious

What do you think about Yolo? what do you think about Gray? I don't want to see any of this ISO business to create a read.

Meant 2 here, not 3. Posting in next couple of hours

Hello GrayFoxxxx

You didn't post in the 'next couple hours' I am very disappointed! Will you be posting your thoughts today? What do you think about my other scumreads? (Scorp/Fragger and GC/Fitz)

OK after reading I changed my mind it's not fragger... well lets move onto Fitz...

Quick post since I know D1 is coming to a close.  I just skimmed over the game and didn't take page by page notes as usual (no time). 

Just going off gut and memory:

Didn't care for Fragger early in the game but I think he might have gotten better as the day went on.  Need to ISO him.
Sword is apparently a VI.  Can't believe his claim with only 2 votes on him.  Probably town.
Post 375 and Post 498 make me ok with Block going. 
Everyone else tbd. 

Will lay a vote down before deadline (probably on BlockyMan) but will try to peruse more of the game as time permits and see if that changes my mind.

Hello HavingFitz

Now that our friend Blockyman has died painfully you have no listed scumreads. Please could you enlighten us to your current thoughts on the situation? specifically I would like you to mention my other scumreads.

[Slandaar]

I mean it does make no logical sense because there isn't a player called nugget in the game...

[Slandaar]

@slandaar,honestly. It looks like his vote goes where the wind takes it. They seem a little weak and somewhat forced?
I dont like how he stated he was leaning firebringer(who I'm suspicious of also for dodging questions..) then jumped on the blocky wagon with his next post.
I switched also,however I felt my reason was more clear.
What do you have against people using ISO?

I think you only answered one of my questions!

I don't like people who need to ISO players to have an opinion - you should already have one without me asking you.

[Slandaar]

Can you check you actually submitted Fragger to the mod please.

[Slandaar]

guessing I would likely shoot the person requested isn't bad.

Seems pretty bad to me.

Lets not waste our time assuming scum would shoot who someone requested. The best, most logical, assumption is scum could not assume who you would shoot as such you were very likely shot and red very likely protected you as you were a claimed confirmable PR.

This then leaves the question where your shot went so going back to my previous post we should start there.

[Slandaar]

Red took the scum kill and Vahlen was roleblocked.

How is there no way this happens? Seems plausible.

[Slandaar]

Guess I got to give this game some loving as well

Yeah you should!

scum could of sent a bullet fraggers way

It is possible. I would suggest very, very, unlikely though.

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Fraggernaut

Don't play dumb. You're smarter than your current play.

Slandaar's assumption is a reasonable one, so is Garmr's. I am not sure how much headway will be made but the information is useful to our PRs at least.

Can you please check/confirm you submitted Fragger. This is actually important. If you submitted Nugget you wouldn't have made a kill.

[Slandaar]

Doctor could have been roleblocked Fragger. There may have also been a slight fail during the kill submission. What is so unbelievable?

Don't you find it likely that Red protected the claimed PR and scum shot the claimed PR? It does make a lot of sense and as you say scum shooting the claimed PR seems most likely.

[Slandaar]

You seem confused. Red takes the kill for whoever he protects. If Red protected Doctor and scum shot Doctor then Red dies not Doctor.

[Slandaar]

Also if you want to look at D1 reads, I was one of Red's top town & they pushed heavily for a Fire lynch. They were also skeptical of Sword's claim but also agreed that we would never lynch a uncc'ed PR d1. Right now I believe in a weird Slandaar/Fire/Doctor world. If Doctor isn't lynched or dies n2 then they're almost certainly confirmed scum in any world.

That's a very strange world. I suppose it's not much stranger than you failing to read and interpret what I say in any sensible manner. Do you understand why Red dies if scum shoot Doctor and Red targets Doctor yet?

I like how slandaar is trying to work out what's happening between Dr and fraggers phone post

I try

There has not been much activity from the three amigos so far.

[Slandaar]

When did I ever say I didn't? We'll never know till after the game who Red saved. I'm looking at the fact that there was only one kill during the night. I found it weird how quick you came to the defense of Sword's slot when you placed a vote on Sword d1. Remember when I pinged you out for it? Or are you just pretending that never happened? There could also be the world where Red bodyguarded me, his top town read & Doctor with the fake claim as scum attempted to kill me as they're trying to say & Red died instead.

The point is; there are a few very plausible scenarios where Doctor survives the night as town and his kill doesn't go through. Let's use a checklist:
Is it likely Red protected the claimed, confirmable, PR (Doctor)? Yes.
Is it likely scum shot the claimed, confirmable, PR? Yes.
Is it likely Red protects Fragger over the claimed, confirmable, PR? and over myself? and over Deas? Possible but unlikely (very unlikely I think).
Is it possible scum have a RB? Yes.

Is it possible then that Doctor is town who shot you and Red protected Doctor? Yes. It is quite plausible indeed.

I find it incredibly strange you don't see this.

This:

If scum shot the claimed PR & they were protected that would mean the claimed PR shot Red, not me. See the flaws here?

Is just nonsense.

I want you to actually think about things. (I actually think there was a failed submission to the mod but we will see in due course)

Also what does me posting from a phone have to do with anything?

I don't know. You tell me.

[Slandaar]

Slandaar's scumreads as mentioned at the start of the day:
Scorpious.
GrayFoxxxx
HavingFitz

Total content produced today between the three: 0.

That, my friends, is one huge coincidence. Gray has failed to produce anything of worth after making numerous promises to do so. Scorpious is just not doing anything and Fitz has declared VLA after doing pretty much nothing.

I suggest everyone just pick one of them and vote

[Slandaar]

That isn't really true I, do, do walls. I just haven't because no-one has really tried to argue with me. Not really sure why it matters if I do or don't do walls though.

I look forward to the inevitable content you will post after catching up.

[Slandaar]

I think Scorpious is scum. Deas made a good point; Scorp's question was quite pointless. Really didn't like the ISO nonsense either.

VOTE: Scorpious

Vahlen is obviously town (unrelated but still, people voting him )

[Slandaar]

Gray!

Would you like to vote Scorpious with me?

[Slandaar]

Do you think with about 2 days till deadline you should need to ISO the LEADING WAGON to produce some thoughts on them? I mean it's not just that you ISO'ed but you had to be prompted to ISO them not just do it yourself. Seems kind of an important thing to do to me if you are town.

[Slandaar]

Why?

I find your answer very useless. You know I am going to follow up wanting a reason - You say you wish to cooperate yet this kind of answer is clearly not cooperating fully.

[Slandaar]

Yeah, except I don't see anyone 'buying into it' so you are just writing words with no factual basis.

I asked by 'biggest scum read from D1 to vote you' because I want to see how Gray reacts and now explains his choice. This is called... scumhunting.

[Slandaar]

I really don't like it when players say 'right now' with reads.

What exactly do you disagree with about my perspective?

[Slandaar]

I also find it incredibly untownlike to say you interpret something as X, X being scummy, yet are not willing to debate it to discover if you are right or wrong or to just get a better understanding of the situation.

Very untownlike indeed.

[Slandaar]

I really don't like it when players say 'right now' with reads.

What exactly do you disagree with about my perspective?

I don't think the reasons you put on your vote post are good enough for ME to vote him.

OK. I guess the next question is; why? you don't find my reasons to indicate scum? what exactly is it you disagree with?

[Slandaar]

You seem to be struggling Gray.

[Slandaar]

There is a real reason. Do you think it is more or less likely than rand a player is scum who:
1. Has to ISO the leading wagon 2 days before a deadline to post their opinion on said player.
2. Has to ISO a player who has been a big part of the discussion during the day to have an opinion on them.

Do you think it is more or less likely than rand a player is scum who:
Asks a question which is clearly not thought out well and has no real scumhunting purpose.

I think it is very clear personally that both indicate scum.

You say neither is even a real reason. I expect you can explain why this is.

[Slandaar]

I also find it incredibly untownlike to say you interpret something as X, X being scummy, yet are

not willing to debate it to discover if you are right or wrong or to just get a better understanding of the situation.

Very untownlike indeed.

You and Fro99er seem to love to rush people.
It's been 7 minutes since you initially asked me why. Now I'm unwilling to debate? Haha

This is not related. You didn't click to what I was referring to.

[Slandaar]

I will be back in an hour or so. I hope to see some reasoning from you, Gray, by then not just a few denials or witty remarks.

[Slandaar]

I lied I am back quicker than I said!

I just told you that you clearly don't understand what I was referring to with that quote.

but just know I'm not going to debate these posts. It's just my interpretation of what happened.

These are your words are they not?

You don't think it would be beneficial to actually figure out if your interpretation is correct or not by... debating?

[Slandaar]

So, chop chop, back to you posting actual reasoning for your stance on Scorpious.

[Slandaar]

1.He wants to double check. Not scummy at all to me. Are ISO's only available to scum?
2.read above

When you say double check what you mean is 'he didn't have an opinion so went and ISO'ed responding to each post so that he had one' then responded. It's especially bad as it was the leading wagon at deadline whom any townie should have had a decent opinion on and not needed to ISO to post a response.

fair.. Let me do an ISO. I dont think there is much..

That does not read like 'Let me double check'.

What is your opinion on X Gray?
'Let me do an ISO'

Does that sound like you are double checking or that you don't really have one?

It seems very clear to me that all these factors mean that anyone doing this has a higher chance than random to flip scum. You apparently think otherwise.

Your third question seems loaded asf, and by answering it I am indirectly accusing scorp of doing two things that I don't think he did/is doing.

You found his question useful?

[Slandaar]

Also it kinda makes you look scummy.

Come on Fire join the wagon. You know it makes sense.

[Slandaar]

Ok we don't agree on what he meant.
Maybe the question was useful to him. Maybe not.

Double Checking before posting your opinion is actually scummy in itself as it is a cautious/careful thing. You disagree?

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, do

you

think it was useful?

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Firebringer

You can strawman arguments and refuse to scumhunt, that doesn't make you any less scummy.

Vahlen, you are town, it is obvious.

I am town.
Deas is town.
Garmr is town.

The wagon on Scorpious is glorious at present. Make it even better.

Also Deas is really good at the scumhunting so you should sheep him. You know it makes sense

Oh and Red who is dead wanted to lynch Scorpious. There is a reasonable chance he saved you last night so you should at least give him one vote.

[Slandaar]

Yes I disagree.
No not useful to me, but I don't expect everything everyone does to relate to me.

Of course you disagree. What exactly do you think makes someone scum?

Do you think it was useful to him?

[Slandaar]

A few things could make someone scum. Mostly bad lines of logic,

Nope.

In life everyone has bad ideas from time to time it does not mean they had an ulterior motive for it. Some peoples logic is better than others it doesn't mean the ones with worse logic are planning a killing spree.

and contextual interactions with others can reveal them to the town.

That actually sounds very good! Can you please show me some of these contextual interactions which reveal scum to the town please?

All of this can be observed. No "gut feelings", or "meta", or, "I dont like his attitude",that can be used instead of actual evidence.

Do I think it was useful to him? Maybe. Maybe not.

Maybe, Maybe not again eh? Maybe you should think about it and have an actual opinion.

Was there a reason other than to get a lynch through?

What kind of answer will help Scorpious read the player? Obviously as town that was the motivation and as scum you won't get another answer as it's a fine reason... seems like a pointless question eh?

[Slandaar]

@Slandaar

where do you stand on your other "scum" reads. You seem to have forgotten those..

Same as before really.

I am unsure why you are saying I have forgotten them when Gray, one of the other two, I made a post toward ten minutes prior to your post here. Besides that I have clearly not 'forgotten' about him. Fitz is VLA so not really sure what you expected me to do with him other than wait for him to actually post himself?

Slandaar, why do you townread Garmr?

I have for ages. 63 and middle of 73.

@Slandaar,do you really think a wagon on me will form based on you having an issue with me using ISO?

I like your scum hunting.. I do. But I feel like your case is a major reach,and seeing whoever buys into it will give you an idea who is being opportunistic and sheepish. I also do that. I'd like to think your reasoning on me would go beyond the use of ISO. You seem too smart to base a scum read on that.

What do you think about Firebringer flat out refusing to answer questions? Shouldn't that be more of a red flag?

I am unsure why you like my scumhunting if you are town (and Gray is town)..

Refusing to answer questions isn't actually scummy. Scum are not just going to refuse to answer questions

because

they are scum there will be another reason for it so find that reason and then you may have an argument. His town reason is he thinks they are pointless and I can accept that.

[Slandaar]

We need the lurker crew to show up and vote Scorpious. I can tell Doctor won't be convinced, Gray is never going to vote his buddy and Fragger is trying to lynch Doctor so yeah...

Yolo, Fitz, Victor you three need to help with this glorious scorpious wagon. Fitz you in particular I have high hopes for.

[Slandaar]

If you are town (unlikely) the wagon will provide lots of information as everyone picks a side. If you are scum (likely) then this helps town because you are scum and getting lynched

[Slandaar]

So basically you just picked me for an informational lynch,with no real good reasons?

Instead of probing others? Seems real lazy man..

Not what I said at all.

I picked you because I think you are scum.

@Slandaar wrt to post 628...I do not care for any of your scumreads (i.e. I suspect them to some degree as well)

Makes absolutely no sense.

[Slandaar]

Also, Fitz, if you think both Deas and I are town you should probably vote Scorpious. Especially considering your current read on him.

I dislike your post immensely.

[Slandaar]

if this is legit to you,than what the hell are we all doing here? Not answering questions because you are afraid of follow up questions or a "circle" is absurd. Do you not agree?

He said he didn't want to answer questions he perceives as pointless. The circle thing was related to this because he is saying that he doesn't want to repeat himself. I see no issue. I hate repeating myself too. He didn't say he wouldn't answer any questions.

What was so important about the question in the first place?

[Slandaar]

I prefer Fire to Scorp.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Firebringer

Will hopefully have a more substantial post tomorrow.

I am very disappointed in you Victor.

[Slandaar]

Any town player in Fitz's position who has their 3rd scumread as Scorp votes Scorp. His experience with me should make my opinion hold a lot of weight and then the paragon also is voting the exact same place. He townreads both, scumreads Scorp to some degree but votes elsewhere.

Makes no sense from town so Fitz is scum.

[Slandaar]

What do I have to do to get you clowns to vote Scorpious?

[Slandaar]

I see you still have done a total of 0 scumhunting Gray. Good to know you are still around though.

[Slandaar]

We could also flashwagon Fraggernaut or DeasVail, since I'm likely to be dead tonight.

Your refusal to vote Scorpious makes that incredibly unlikely. You are being useless and your shots will be bad so there is approximately zero chance you get shot tonight.

[Slandaar]

Would anyone else agree that Slandaar's posts have officially crossed the fluff barrier? We get it dude,you think I'm scum,and you're wrong. Care to address anything else? Anything?

if this is legit to you,than what the hell are we all doing here? Not answering questions because you are afraid of follow up questions or a "circle" is absurd. Do you not agree?

He said he didn't want to answer questions he perceives as pointless. The circle thing was related to this because he is saying that he doesn't want to repeat himself. I see no issue. I hate repeating myself too. He didn't say he wouldn't answer any questions.

What was so important about the question in the first place?

Would anyone else agree Scorpious should answer all questions considering his stance against Fire? yes? good.

[Slandaar]

Stop twisting my words Slandaar. My issue was question avoidance in itself. I welcome any questions..

Side note. I would not support a frag lynch today.

Yes, Yes, twisting words. Very clever. Who has been twisting words the last couple pages? ah yes, you.

You fail to answer my question. Why is this? I think that is called question avoidance.

[Slandaar]

Slandaar has Scorpious, Gray & HavingFitz on the top of his scum list at the beginning of the day due to his belief they're not producing anything to the game.

This is untrue.

I had them at the top of my list for other reasons. Later in the day they hadn't posted any content and I commented on this.

Seems to be a trend with Slandaar. Out of those three Scorpious has at least been activity participating in the game so I found it weird that Slandaar went after Scorpious instead of Gray who still hasn't really provided anything, or HavingFitz who has once again went on V/LA. In fact Slandaar & Doctor have both seemed to ignore the fact that both Gray & HavingFitz have been the lurkiest in day 2, outside of a few questions & votes leading nowhere. Despite Doctor's horrible claim of "active lurking" directed towards myself.

What actual scumhunting has Scorpious done apart from this junk 'didn't answer questions!!!'?
(requires you to show me in his ISO)

Also seems like a cheap cop out when they night kill one of the two to leave Scorpious or myself or even Deas alive in d3 to cause confusion.

Makes no sense.

So essentially if anyone ever ISOs someone they're instantly scum?

Again, very clearly, not what I actually said. It is the circumstances in which he did it.

Kind of like saying the word town to describe yourself makes you scum too huh? I don't like this logic at all.

It's like you are making a point, yet, I never said this.

This was strange as well. Why did Slandaar finally out of the blue try to convince Gray to vote the Scorpious wagon? Especially when he was one of his top scum reads at the beginnjng of the day & they had no substantial interactions after a early day tunnel? This wagon just reeks of scumminess.

As explained already: to see how Grey would react.

Again with the ISO logic.

Yes, a clarification, which should have made you realize your earlier comments were terrible.

The cheap cop out is on. He wanted Gray to vote for "reactions". I don't buy it. Seems like a easy way to make Gray the NK & ride the town cred for the rest of the game as scum guised under the impression that you were simply trying to scum hunt.

Why is Gray the nk when he votes Scorpious?

This is very strange Fraggernaut.

Slandaar reaching here to get anyone to support his wagon. Maybe he knows it won't get the support it needs for a mislynch.

No he is scum and it will get the support it needs, don't you worry my friend.

He even goes as far as trying to play to emotions.

The issue with that is?

After HavingFitz places a vote elsewhere.

Also, Fitz, if you think both Deas and I are town you should probably vote Scorpious. Especially considering your current read on him.

I dislike your post immensely.

Yeah, Fitz is scum. What is the issue with my post?

He even turns on his ole buddy Doctor.

He was never my buddy.

Overall this wagon is flawed. There's no support outside of Slandaar's inner circle. Also I ISO'ed this. That on top of saying town town town town town. One of your mislynch wagons may have hope & a leg to stand on.

I didn't say town town town anything. You appear to have some sort of mistaken identity going on here.

[Slandaar]

No mistaken identity here. I still see you in a scum world with Doctor or Victor.

Well go and get the quote then.

Therefore your counter wagon mislynch is the "Robin" to Victor's "Batman" poor attempt to push a mislynch on me. Get the connection here?

Nope. I wasn't trying to push a lynch on you simply responding to your nonsense. What is the issue with this? you seem very nervous.

As for Gray. Why is it strange? In a world where Doctor/Victor or yourself are scum, you could NK Gray in the night & claim the town credit & ride it to the end.

So, I get towncred when Gray votes Scorpious do I? That is very interesting.

You could WIFOM it that you were simply fishing for a interaction, when Gray flips town (If that's the case) & nullify your scum read on him.

What you are saying is pointless.

Show me all of Scorpious' scumhunting I see you forgot to do that.

[Slandaar]

On the other hand you have Slandaar. In that particular game he was kind of on the defensive throughout the first day. He never pushed like he is in this game & his tone of posting was so different. In that game he seemed more relaxed, he seemed comfortable.

Are you joking?

Did you read all the posts or just RVS? maybe compare that to here....

This game he does not. His push on Scorpious seems so forced. In that game Slandaar flipped town cop as he was lynched d1.

Yes, of course I did. No wait, I got shot n1 for being right. Amazing.

[Slandaar]

What question Slandaar?

I have been townreading Slandaar today but I find myself starting to doubt myself the longer this question remains unanswered.

Why? I am expecting Scorpious to figure it out. I am sure you can if you look.

[Slandaar]

Spicer, vote Flagger, Fire or Deas please. Those are the scums.

Except the fact you know that at least Deas & myself are town.

Fragger you still have failed to provide me with Scorpious' scumhunting.

I also requested you find a quote.

Why have you failed to do these?

[Slandaar]

As for Gray. Why is it strange? In a world where Doctor/Victor or yourself are scum, you could NK Gray in the night & claim the town credit & ride it to the end.

So, I get towncred when Gray votes Scorpious do I? That is very interesting.

Also that.

You have opened the can of worms don't run away Fragger.

[Slandaar]

Spicer, vote Flagger, Fire or Deas please. Those are the scums.

Except the fact you know that at least Deas & myself are town.

Fragger you still have failed to provide me with Scorpious' scumhunting.

I also requested you find a quote.

Why have you failed to do these?

What exactly are you reaching for here Slandaar? Ive already gave my thoughts on yourself & Scorpious & don't feel the need to have to keep repeating myself just for your whims. Could I be wrong? Sure I could be wrong. Just like anyone else in this game. Just like how Doctor, Victor & yourself are wrong on reading me scum. It happens.

As for Gray. Why is it strange? In a world where Doctor/Victor or yourself are scum, you could NK Gray in the night & claim the town credit & ride it to the end.

So, I get towncred when Gray votes Scorpious do I? That is very interesting.

Also that.

You have opened the can of worms don't run away Fragger.

Whose running away? I've been here the whole two days. Keep telling yourself whatever you need to tell yourself Slandaar.

Slandaar, you can ISO Scorpious as well as anyone to find scumhunting posts. Why are you insisting there is none? Fragger's obvscum and doesn't want to vote because he's worried about associations.

The top two wagons both suck according to him but he won't champion a third on anyone plausible.

Obvscum? Why would I be worried about associations since I'm town? I'm not voting Scorpious cause I have a town read on him. Derp. Also I'm pretty sure I've been "championing" a wagon on you who is actual scum the entire day. Hence why my vote has been on you since the beginning of the day & hasn't changed.

Nice post.

You did not address anything I asked you to. Managed to post a lot of words though.

[Slandaar]

Great post Scorpious.

Please can you show me where Fragger addressed anything I asked him to?

[Slandaar]

Well Fragger, it is really simple.

You made an argument suggesting I said X.
I say: I didn't say X.
You say I did.

I then told you to get the quote to prove this. Which fixes your viewpoint if you are town you should want to happen. I am telling you your 'facts' are wrong which, if you are genuinely scumhunting, is something you should want to check.

Instead of co-operating you posted a bunch of words saying how you have already posted your opinion. Your opinion is based on a make believe story.

Good Job.

[Slandaar]

I look at the whole RVS situation and get null everywhere. I have never seen that happen before. It almost seems like a joke that just went too far. It is really hard for me to pull out any kind of read off of joke phase votes.

I'm leaning town on Frag. very slightly. I can't tell if he's trying to be the over-concerned townie at the moment or not,His posts seem measured..

Slandaar seems just invested enough but says he wants to find scum.again,slight town read.

Blockyman has just been the subject of RVS banter,but otherwise has been dead,so null there for me.

Sword Master is on my early lynch list. I hate when people do things and say it's to "make the game more fun". Especially claiming scum. I almost feel he must be lynched now,based on the fact that if he is indeed scum,that makes the rest of us absolute idiots. I truly hate that he did that..


VOTE: Sword Master

Not really?

Get the quote then. It is an easy thing to do if you are right.

[Slandaar]

Hm I dunno why that was quoted. Or I do but whatever.

Good luck Fragger.

[Slandaar]

Could I be wrong? Sure I could be wrong. Just like anyone else in this game. Just like how Doctor, Victor & yourself are wrong on reading me scum. It happens.

Just like Doctor? your scumread? mhmm.

As for Gray. Why is it strange? In a world where Doctor/Victor or yourself are scum, you could NK Gray in the night & claim the town credit & ride it to the end.

So, I get towncred when Gray votes Scorpious do I? That is very interesting.

Also that.

I assume you will never explain this either?

What towncred is there when I ask Gray to vote Scorpious? he votes Scorpious, Scorpious is lynched and? I get towncred?

Can you explain this thought process to me again? I must just be really stupid because to me that reads like Scorpious flips scum??? strange considering your stance.

[Slandaar]

Ive already gave my thoughts on yourself & Scorpious

And I have questions about these thoughts.

Why are you trying to run away? (why are you trying to avoid these questions?)

[Slandaar]

@ Slandaar you're still posting cryptic messages. What question are you trying to get answered? Seems pretty apparent you want to throw scum on me by claiming I won't answer the question that you won't provide. Tsk. Tsk.

I don't think I am being cryptic.

I want you to explain why you think I will get a bunch of towncred when I ask Fray to vote Scorpious, Gray votes Scorpious, Scorpious gets lynched and then flips town? that doesn't make sense to me. I would then kill Gray and ride my towncred to victory? what towncred? you seem to assume something: Scorpious is scum which to me seems like a slip so I am asking you to clear the issue.

As for that 908 post which involved the game HavingFitz & yourself played in. What's your read on HavingFitz? Do you find it odd he was a mafia goon in that game & posted continously then in this game he has done absolutely nothing but lurk & go V/LA? I'm sure you'll post that you have nothing on them cause they haven't done anything. It would be nice though if Doctor & yourself stop igoring this situation & actually give some thoughts on it.

You are sure of that? I mean... I posted a few times Fitz is scum.

I don't care about the activity if he has less time than previous games he has less time. Don't see how this relates to his alignment and I especially don't see how it means he is town which you seem to be implying? You seem to imply he is going V/LA because he can't be bothered to post...

[Slandaar]

@Slandaar once again ignoring the fact that the very quote he got the last quote from, was the same post where I once again told him where to find the Gray NK scenario. I'm done trying to explain this to you if you won't open your eyes & read what I post.

I have read what you said and it makes absolutely no sense which is why I am asking you about it. What is the issue?

How do I gain towncred if Scorpious is lynched and flips town? by killing Gray because then it looks like I was scumhunting? that does not make any sense. I gain towncred by being wrong about Scorpious? Do you think this is sensible?

You think me saying 'I was looking to see how he would react' would gain me so much towncred I can just skate by after killing Gray? how does this make sense Fragger? This when Gray could have voted Scorpious and ended in a Scorp lynch who you say is town? Where does this huge amount of towncred which I can just ride till endgame come from?

You need to explain this.

[Slandaar]

Kind of like saying the word town to describe yourself makes you scum too huh? I don't like this logic at all.

It's like you are making a point, yet, I never said this.

Overall this wagon is flawed. There's no support outside of Slandaar's inner circle. Also I ISO'ed this. That on top of saying town town town town town. One of your mislynch wagons may have hope & a leg to stand on.

I didn't say town town town anything. You appear to have some sort of mistaken identity going on here.

I tell Fragger twice he is wrong.

No mistaken identity here.

Fragger says he is not.

Well go and get the quote then.

I tell him to get the quote.

Fragger fails so I say:

I also requested you find a quote.

Fragger Replies:

What exactly are you reaching for here Slandaar? Ive already gave my thoughts on yourself & Scorpious & don't feel the need to have to keep repeating myself just for your whims.

Absolutely ridiculous response.

Nice post.

You did not address anything I asked you to. Managed to post a lot of words though.

Scorp comes in:

Frag posts and you just dismiss it..now I see why you're so ok with fire bringer picking and choosing what questions to answer.
I dont think you're scum Sland, I think you're just kind of idiot town atm..

(obvious scum)

Well Fragger, it is really simple.

You made an argument suggesting I said X.
I say: I didn't say X.
You say I did.

I then told you to get the quote to prove this. Which fixes your viewpoint if you are town you should want to happen. I am telling you your 'facts' are wrong which, if you are genuinely scumhunting, is something you should want to check.

Instead of co-operating you posted a bunch of words saying how you have already posted your opinion. Your opinion is based on a make believe story.

Good Job.

I explain to him that I want him to provide the quote and why it is beneficial for him to check the quote exists and there is no mistaken identity.

Not really Slandaar but keep telling yourself that. Maybe next time post what you're actually reaching for & you just might get a response.

Fragger likes playing dodgeball apparently.

Not really?

Get the quote then. It is an easy thing to do if you are right.

In response to his amazing dodge I tell him again to get the quote.

@ Slandaar you're still posting cryptic messages. What question are you trying to get answered? Seems pretty apparent you want to throw scum on me by claiming I won't answer the question that you won't provide. Tsk. Tsk.

The request is very cryptic apparently so again Fragger could not provide.

So lets summarize
1. Fragger continually avoids providing said 'quote'
2. Fragger refuses to check his 'facts' showing a complete lack of interest in whether his view is right or not.
3. Fragger acts like I am not being clear. Completely untrue.
4. Scorpious is scum his post in this series is absolutely ridiculous levels of scum.

[Slandaar]

You are on a roll with your great posting Scorpious!

Great post Scorpious.

Please can you show me where Fragger addressed anything I asked him to?

I assume you will be showing this? I even included a question mark to ensure you would respond as you think not answering question = scum, but, you didn't respond?!

[Slandaar]

Alright well, with 5 days, we are going to need to finish this lynch on Scorpious.

I claim a

very

solid result against Scorpious but not a cop result.

Scorpious it is time for you to claim.

[Slandaar]

The scum is almost certainly Scorp/Gray/Fitz but Fraggers posting is so bad you should lynch him too.

[Slandaar]

I get night killed n1 a lot, but it is situational, I tried really hard not to be here and then the bodyguard died so then maybe I was shot? eh Fitzy Fitzy?

Explain to me again why you didn't vote Scorpious when he is your 3rd scumread and both Deas and I were voting him who you had as town? surely this should influence your vote considerably?

Now you know Scorpious is scum you can see how bad this actually looks.

[Slandaar]

You should probably vote me Scorpious as I am claiming against you.

If you refuse to claim first it will look much worse when I claim.

[Slandaar]

Well here are the facts.

Red and Scorpious both visited Vahlen last night. No-one else did.

Scorpious by claiming PR has confirmed I am a PR as it is clear I knew he wasn't vanilla.

I have confirmed with the mod that a single scum can both use their PR and kill during a night. I expect Scorpious is the scum RB who also killed. I had to claim unfortunately because otherwise I can only ever catch Scorpious and letting almost confirmed town Fire die is awful.

[Slandaar]

If anyone has any doubt, in no world does town say 'why would you do this?' to the person who, from his perspective, is scum.

Also calling me a fool same thing.

It is a shame the actual fools in this town couldn't get in line quicker.

[Slandaar]

Obviously if Scorpious isn't a RB, Fragger starts looking like a good lynch tomorrow as his non-death is unexplained.

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Slandaar

So you think scum have a watcher?

I hadn't claimed at the point he voted so your post is misleading Fitz.

[Slandaar]

That is a terrible post Fragger. Absolutely terrible. Scum obviously leave you alive because I am a claimed PR, Vahlen is a claimed PR and Scorpious who is going to flip scum confirms us both as town.

I hope you are scum. I really do.

[Slandaar]

You can still respond to everything I have asked you to before the day ends too. I know you keep trying hard to avoid it.

Everyone should look back at the days posting with the wagons being natural there is lots of information.

Gray is scum because he panicked when he saw the Scorp wagon growing, delayed his read and lurked out the day. I can't be bothered explaining but the delay of his town - if you look he doesn't post it for a while until after he posts what

looks

like a decent defence. He never explained it and was very unco-operative during that whole interaction. Note the word looks, it wasn't actually a good defence and so he gets into an argument where he just replies maybe maybe not a lot (not giving an opinion).

Fitz is scum.

Mod-game-result
MattP-1379-me scum...you town cop killed N1.
AP-Mini 1401-me town killed N1...you scum.
Mehdi2277-Mini 1412-me town killed N2...you town killed N1.
Venmar-Gears of War-me town killed N3, you scum lynched D2.
ArcAngel-Open 505-me town vig killed N1, you ?
CPT Corporal-Mini 1587-me scum...you town killed N1.
Iknal-Mini 1682-me scum...you town killed N1.

All Sland town games:
1379 - Slandaar votes scum all D1. Dies N1.
Mini 1412 - Slandaar votes scum all D1. Dies N1.
Open 505 - Slandaar gets it slightly wrong D1 partly due to scum claiming a PR in an open. Lynches scum D2 and D3 (game ends there after PR claim dies N1 and N2).
1587 - Slandaar posts no reads as an RVS quickhammer happened. Dies N1. Tracks scum N1.
1682 - Actually ongoing. I won't comment but people can view it if they want.

The scum games obviously don't matter for this.

Summary: Fitz should listen to Slandaar if he thinks Slandaar is town. This is why Fitz failing to vote Scorpious is so bad. Combined with the Paragon who Fitz thinks is town and should consider the opinion of too and yeah it's obvious. Fitz failed to take in all the information he should have as town to make his vote.

[Slandaar]

and contextual interactions with others can reveal them to the town.

That actually sounds very good! Can you please show me some of these contextual interactions which reveal scum to the town please?

Also people who say really clever sounding things but don't provide flip scum a lot.

Gray has not provided.

[Slandaar]

The point is about proficiency not about quantity. Good try though.

[Slandaar]

Town didn't have much hope

I did work it out on the nolynch day not that it does much good

[Slandaar]

Fitz, the point in the dead thread was you said I always think you are scum as town, which is untrue. It's only three games and to that point it was 1:1