Mini 1737: Bringer Mafia [Mafia Win]

[Vedith]

/Confirm =D

[Vedith]

/confirm.
Nice playing with you again, vedith

VOTE: Errantparabola

It will only be nice if you're town!

[Vedith]

I think everyone but BulletNLynchproof and Keyser Söze.

[Vedith]

Is that a scum claim if he calls you town?

[Vedith]

He might be actually the godfather :/

VOTE: PatientZer0

I would be surprised.

[Vedith]

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99
Serious vote; no RVS vote looks to me like a scum trying to avoid associations by not voting.

RVS is so easy to do though, it actually tells you nothing but gets the game moving. Some people just don't care for RVS.

[Vedith]

If it's so easy to do, why is he so reluctant to do it?

There's a difference in not doing it and being reluctant.
You make it out that he has refused to participate in RVS.

[Vedith]

I wouldn't. I claimed scum in my confirm/RVS post during the Shinobi newbie game, when I was actually scum.

Reason I would only be surprised.
It's possible, just not probably.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Hasn't done much scumhunting so far; been IIOAing, answering rhetorical questions, commenting on posts rather than actually contributing.

I'm not scum hunting in the first 2 pages of the game
Get out of here! XD

[Vedith]

A lot of quick bandwagons are formed on D1; scum doesn't want to get scrutinized for being on a fishy wagon, or get scrutinized for not being on a popular one. Scum also want to avoid getting associated to their partner in early RVS.

That's not true...
Scum want to look town and fit in. What do town do day 1? They normally make shit wagons and lynch a townie.
They can also make a new vote on someone, and as it's RVS, it means fuck all.

[Vedith]

We have already moved mostly out of the RVS stage. What do you think about:

- My accusations?
- Fraggernaut's refusal to give sources for his meta claim about Keyser?
- Fuzzylogic's reluctancy to RVS?
- Keyser Soze's analysis of my posts?

-I don't agree with them
-I don't think you understand the word 'refusal'
-I think you are scratching the walls
-Keyser has sense, but that doesn't indicate his align.

With the petty concerns you have here though, I'm thinking town, as your concerns in our last game were just as petty (or incorrect).

[Vedith]

If we allow the anti town behavior of not participating in RVS to pass by as null, then plenty of scum can refuse to vote and not get suspected. Furthermore, the shit wagons d1 give us a lot of information, so it is not completely pointless.

A good scum will blend in with looking bad town, that's all I'm saying.
I see what you are trying to get at. But honestly for me, I'm neither for or against RVS.
RVS is purely there to get the game rolling in my opinion, nothing more, nothing less. If people participate without a vote, then I don't care if they join RVS.

[Vedith]

Keyser Soze and Fraggernaut
Vedith and BulletNLynchproof
Keyser Soze with myself
Fuzzylogic with myself

All of these people have had meaningful interactions that provides information for town.

No.

[Vedith]

Vedith: I agree a good scum will do that. There is no guarunted that fuzzylogic is a good scum.

Before we continue, have you had a scum in a game not do RVS before?
Have you had town not do RVS before?

[Vedith]

I have not had a game in which one person refused to do RVS except for people who were plain lurkers.

Why where do you get the reasoning for scum having a motive to not RVS?

[Vedith]

*taps skull lightly*

I thought, why would fuzzylogic not do RVS? and came up with this answer.

Again, I know what you are trying to think...
...But it's wrong. You can't even give an example of why. There has been games I've been town and not joined RVS.
And the times people have jumped on it, guess what, they were also town.

[Vedith]

As I have mentioned, he has posted not much of substance for the first half of the game. Then when i pointed it out, he starts participating in the game, actively engaging in Fragger's and Accountants posts. Though the fact that this was after the prompt made me feel like he could be scum and "covered his mistake" by starting to seemingly scumhunt. Null for now.

Well this is bullshit right there. XD
I'm posting the same kind of stuff as I did the first two pages. Using terms like "covered his mistake" will just make you look stupid btw.

[Vedith]

And keep note, I haven't done any scum hunting. So saying that I have started is where you went wrong.
I did however, find a town.

[Vedith]

Who is that at?

[Vedith]

K Vedith I'm going to need you to provide an example of a game where you're scum.

asap

Find one yourself.

[Vedith]

RC is arrogant, just smile and say "well done" with a pat on the head to comments you dislike.
Pretty valuable to town if town though...

[Vedith]

Catch up soon.

[Vedith]

@vedith you caught up yet? :/

No, give me the down low.

When the weekend began, I had Accountant as town, and RC as town lean.
Should I think differently at this stage?

[Vedith]

Why is that terrible?
Voice is power.

[Vedith]

I would prefer to hear your thoughts, and which items you choose to flag.

I have nothing to present to you as it stands.
I'll chime in through out the day, but the catch up won't be while I'm at work.

[Vedith]

FB, can we have a VC please?

[Vedith]

@Vedith Your #345 is weird af. Why are you asking someone else if you should change your read on someone? This could be considered a form of apeasement to appear towny to others. It's like saying "what do you want from me" which is usually from a scum perspective.

It was more sarcasm.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Errant - You live for now!
VOTE: BulletNLynchproof

I'm not feeling the Fraggernaut votes to be honest.

Is BlockyMan's vote serious or RVS?

[Vedith]

BACK SORRY SCHOOL
VOTE SERIOUS

Then you should unvote and vote for scum.

[Vedith]

Fraggernaut (L-3): All Alone, Accountant, Frozen Angel

Who counts as two?

YOUR FACE!
Fixed.

[Vedith]

Blockyman, you didn't change your vote to scum?

[Vedith]

Well let me chime in...

Town;
Vedith
RC
Accountant
Errant
All Alone
Keyser
Frozen Angel (ish)

That's half way there!

Scum
???

I'll wait until day 2 to decide.

[Vedith]

I'm surprised that after 1716 Vedith put me as his #1 townread.

I'm actually my number 1 town read.
It was also not in order, but you are probably higher than most anyway.

[Vedith]

When I point out to many people that they are not scumhunting and shitposting, they counterattack me for the same reason, but Vedith instead admits so and gives an excuse. Vedith, can you explain why?

I found us town. That's more than you have done.

[Vedith]

Hmm. A naked read list - I smell a shade of opportunism here. Show me why your town-reads are town.

I don't need to show you anything.
I've given the town list, even if I am lynched/killed they are still there for you to work on.

[Vedith]

Find me scum

I can give a name, but it would be a lie... I'm not really looking to lie as town.
I'll give you a scum name day 2, this is almost a guarantee (I just need the night phase).

[Vedith]

Looking at your ISO Vedith you have not been directly/actively scum-hunting.

Would you say your scum-hunting style is hands-off?
Your read-list illustrates this wonderfully.

Scum-lean.

I have nothing to offer with my scum thoughts. I have basically given 6 names who have scum within them.

[Vedith]

I'm not convinced Vedith is scum. If you guys don't want to lynch Fragger, I think a Bullet, Errant or Vedith lynch is acceptable.

Lol Accountant, you and your silly comments.
Luckily I've seen your town game, this really is it!

[Vedith]

How are people supposed to work with your list if you are really town, but don't give explanation of your reads?

Because tomorrow I shall present scum. I don't see what you don't get from this?!
Give me a reason for each of my town reads to not be town.

[Vedith]

wow! Just WOW! :/ is it what I'm think it is?!

I don't know what you are thinking...
If you are thinking it's an invite to my birthday party, then no, it's not.

[Vedith]

Would be excellent if a good portion of players who agreed to join this game would actually take part in the game. Having multiple lurkers only harms town.

This is a pro town comment, just saying.

[Vedith]

@Vedith - how long have you been playing mafia?

Just over a week. Maybe 2 weeks.

[Vedith]

Well! I think you just said you have a power to use in nite phase . am I mistaking?

I actually said that I should be able to give you scum tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Pro town yes, but it can be said by both town or scum. Thus null, just saying.

I don't think you understand how to give or take town points to/from people

Anything done CAN be done by either align.

This is a pro town comment. He gets town points. Not enough to be in my town part though.

[Vedith]

Do you honestly believe I would say this as scum? You thought the same thing either the first or second game we played together & it lead to you getting me mislynched as town. I'm going to take this with a grain of salt.

Just ignore him, he may be town but that doesn't mean he has a clue of what he's doing...

[Vedith]

Anyway, Fraggernaut isn't even in your 'town pile'.

That's what I said, well done.

[Vedith]

Can you answer the question. This page is an utter horror show.

I did answer.

[Vedith]

I just can't sum up your posts ... :/

Calm down town(ish). Being town doesn't mean right on opinions.

[Vedith]

Did you play mafia before your join date (mafiascum)?

Yes, been playing a while, more casual before joining here though.

[Vedith]

3 scum from these Vedith, eh?

PatientZer0
Fraggernaut

Frozen Angel

TheFuzzylogic99

BlockyMan
Slandaar
BulletNLynchproof

That's my opinion, yes.

[Vedith]

@Keyser -

[Vedith]

Ok then, the 3 scum are in here ladies and gentleman. We have a 50% chance of hitting scum. Who should we lynch?

I'll let you lot decide. I just provide the names.
It should go like this
Day 1 - Town
Day 2 - Scum
Day 3 - Town
Day 4 - Scum

etc, etc, etc...

However, if you want to get your knickers in a twist, I'll tell you why later.

[Vedith]

Key is still town though

Then why is it an issue?

[Vedith]

Just pointing out why people don't understand his Fuzzy vote.

1 - That may not be the reason they don't understand it
2 - You clearly pointed out that he is contradicting himself (which is false). You shouldn't attack a town read like this imo.

[Vedith]

Do you not think that we have protective roles then?

[Vedith]

BlockyMan
PatientZer0
Fragger

There you go Keyer, I present the scum!

UNVOTE: BnLP
VOTE: Fragger

[Vedith]

Any reasoning?

You've done a complete 180 it seems on your reads.

Explain how I have done a 180?
Show me where I said you were in the town slot. If not, don't lie to me!

[Vedith]

180 means that I reversed my read on you.
Opposite to scum? I think Town...

Keep in mind, I wasn't against your lynch.

You only have a town read on me because as scum, you know who is town. And you want to buddy with me to help mis lynch.

[Vedith]

It's not a lie! You are buddying me because I'm not getting voted! xD
You probably think that I can influence people to vote else where (I can't) and I even said in the quote you did that you are not town for me.

I'll take you 3 as scum and eat my steak as a reward!

[Vedith]

I'm more confident in PZ being scum.
Last game I played with him I was like this and was town. This game he seems shocked with it and is pushing the exact same way he did then (He was scum).

[Vedith]

PZ, no one cares what you say.

[Vedith]

What made TheFuzzylogic99, Slandaar and BulletNLynchproof town? Answer carefully this time.

Answer carefully? XD
Get outta here!

[Vedith]

Playstyle is similar to previous game, where he was town.}

And yet it's in the scum section.
Yup, this is town Accountant - She makes no fucking sense as town! XD

[Vedith]

Can you lot quote with the post link? Otherwise I have no idea what reference the original message is, and I don't feel like back tracking on day 1.

[Vedith]

Do you have no desire in explaining your town/scum reads with any coherence or reason?

I gave a reason for Zero scum read.
The question you asked is "what made them town?".
I think that you need to realise that nothing made them town, but I decided that the other 3 were scum.
Am I wrong? Maybe

Regardless, I'm going with that for now.

[Vedith]

Wouldn't scum-BulletNLynchproof want to support the Fraggernaut lynch with 1 day left to the deadline?

Yes, scum would. He's town.
(Or both are scum, slim chance).

Also, answer to your other post. - They go into the town slot (but again, not from what they have done, but more by default).
Blocky is because of what Zero said, but I will have to confirm when I'm not busy (It was in his read list).

[Vedith]

Again, it was by default.
We can go round in circles if that is your desire. But it will end up with the same result as you have now, and as you had 10mins ago.

[Vedith]

Having a consistent meta does not automatically make you town, Vedith.

Being bad does though.
You know less as town, and you sure do show it.

[Vedith]

Yes, that is what I'm getting at. Why post naked/empty lists if you can't support them with reason/reads?

You're wasting my time. Anyone can post a list of names. It doesn't mean shit. We can stop going in circles if you explain your lists and reads. If they didn't mean anything in the first place, how am I supposed to respect the new lists you post? Half my posts are trying to get you to explain your lists - this should not be happening

You asked me... Wasting your own time buddy.
Respect my lists or don't, I don't give a shit. xD

[Vedith]

Good to know.

[Vedith]

To add on, AA also refused to give a reads list in my game with him.

I don't think I've ever seen All Alone give a reads list.
But then I don't see All Alone do much in any game to be fair.

[Vedith]

If I'm mislynched & flip town, you have absolutely nothing to go on. Other then my legacy of the four names I gave who partitioned this wagon on a horrible accusation thar I've already refuted countless of times. The bad accusation. The sheep. Then no accusation given is basically the foundation of this mislynch attempt & it's appalling.

So how would a mis lynch differ from you to say Keyser?
A mis lynch gives information, a no lynch gives fuck all. You are scum, and I've hit your buddies as well.
The only reason that there is so much resistance to your lynch is because you are scum otherwise you would have been lynched by now.

[Vedith]

Also Vedith that logic makes absolutely no sense at all. "The only reason that there is so much resistance to your lynch is because you are scum otherwise you would have been lynched by now." So you're saying town won't lynch scum? How bout that fact that the only people reading me scum are the donkey's who have tunneled me all game without any valid accusation or logic. Hmmmmmm.

I won't address this as you clearly have no idea how lynching works.

[Vedith]

W8 w8! you said you played here for two weeks?!

I've had 20 games with him in the last 2 weeks.

Spoiler:

Do not check my games list to see if I have played for longer than 2 weeks
I do not want to be confirmed scum for you finding this out!

[Vedith]

If I had my choice, we'd lynch Vedith.

Lucky for you, no one cares what you think.

[Vedith]

@PatientZer0 - So you can see a definitive contrast in his town-troll, scum-troll game? Why was he mod-killed in that game?

Show me a scum troll game!
I was also mod killed because I said a player was up their own arse basically, thinking high and mighty of themselves. I shall keep it nameless though.

[Vedith]

You just said that the only reason why people are opposed to my lynch is because I'm scum otherwise I would of been lynched by now . That makes absolutely no sense from a town perspective. Towns main objective is lynching scum. Why would town be opposed to lynching scum? Maybe the fact because I'm town. Hence people don't want to mislynch me.

I shall present you with -
Scum buddies of yours will try to push else where, that will influence players into voting else where. It has nothing to do with town not wanting to lynch scum, but town being mis guided.
As town, scum will let the focus stay on you, and there wouldn't be much resistance, at least not to this level.

[Vedith]

Yes, I believe this is his scum-troll. In the last game he started trolling after piratemollie bullied him into a corner, which resulted in his unreadable alignment for the next 2 days before he got lynched and flipped town. In this game, PR claiming, and the immediate switch to the two most wagonable people and me as scum seems really shoddily put together and a way to get some of the suspicion off of himself by using the whole "I played with him once before and now i know his scum play, he is scum". I would be really surprised if this is his town play. But if it is his town play, he needs to reevaluate his play style immensely.

Well mollie wanted him modkilled for being toxic(which was an exaggeration), in the end I think he was mod killed because he voted for himself? I'm actually not that sure and it was never represented properly.

Have you seen me play scum games before? Or read a game with it?

My PR claim was like 4 roles into 1 that would never exist in the game, and I even stated VT after.
Zero, this is what exaggeration is.

[Vedith]

- So you are saying that I was scum trolling in the game Lilith posted?

- No, you look into the game, I don't care enough to waste my time.

[Vedith]

What was there to deny?

[Vedith]

I don't see your point?

[Vedith]

I was talking about the game where you said I troll claimed, moron.

[Vedith]

Town are not too bright...

Frag Zero or Blocky really need to be lynched...

[Vedith]

@Fraggernaut, You claim doctor.

Ok. Die.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

That's the spirit!

[Vedith]

It's easy to work out.

Pedit - there.

[Vedith]

Even though you're still a donkey cause I'm town, don't worry. I'll protect you tonight.

There won't be 2 protection roles...
Still needs lynching.

[Vedith]

Calling bullshit.

[Vedith]

Why would you be killed tonight?

[Vedith]

I don't believe your claim. I don't believe that a town vedith wouldn't out a valuable PR such as the one you tried to claim without being under any pressure at all. There's no logical reasoning behind it. If you did, then you've pretty much lost this game for us other town already & probably should re-evaluate your PR game. For now though, I don't believe the claim. Just like I don't believe Bullet's or Blocky's as far as I can throw it. Hence why I'll lynch one of the two today.

You don't even know either my town or scum game so saying "town Vedith" and acting like you know my play is scummy.
This is scum here, not voting him are either scum or morons.

[Vedith]

I'm going to ignore anything from Frag going forward.
The only existence of him shall be voting him.

This is for the best.

[Vedith]

*Claps for the town... slowly*

You lot really are morons lynching a claimed PR to Fragger who hinted then retracted

Really, good job. *Claps and pats you all on the head*

Lynch has to be Fragger or Zero both are scum.

[Vedith]

Yes. Fragger and Zero are scum.

RC is quiet site wide.

[Vedith]

It's both. Try not to fuck up with the lynch today!
On phone so not sure if I voted

VOTE: fragger

[Vedith]

BulletNLynchproof [LYNCHED]: Errantparabola, Slandarr, BlockyMan, Keyser Soze, Fraggernaut, Accountant, Frozen Angel

Keynes don't act all high and mighty you lynched an obvious town over an anti town player.

[Vedith]

@Accountant - How the fuck can you say you were right when you didn't even end your vote on him?

[Vedith]

Yeah and your switch was garbage.
Fragger was obvious scum. I would have gone for a no lynch overy it.

[Vedith]

No I am confirming that Fragger is scum. A no lynchance probably both of us would be confirming!
I hate phone playing I'll be on later

[Vedith]

Other than these two, Keyser Soze and PatientZer0 had the least meaningful clashes with me.

This pings so hard...

[Vedith]

Zero, go drink your juice box in the corner, we are currently discussing the game here.
Also, show what post you are quoting, it's annoying as fuck.

[Vedith]

Tell me, why are you so sure that Fragger is town?

[Vedith]

LOL if fragger gets lynched before he can talk it's going to be G fucking G for us

What kind of post is this?

[Vedith]

I swear to god vedith if you end up being town I will never play a game with you again.

I think you said this in the last game when you was scum and I was town, right?

[Vedith]

Ah I checked, you didn't say those words, but in like 30 posts total I think 90% of them were discrediting me saying that I am anti town.
So you are doing the exact same thing here. XD

[Vedith]

Point proven. xD

[Vedith]

You should check your ISO, I just did.
You went from 1 post town reading me, then the next post calling me scum as it was an opportunity. Then from there you added nothing to the game but said I am scum.

Just like this game.

[Vedith]

Also, tell me where I have lied here.

[Vedith]

I also noticed that you stopped playing in Nether's game (which has been cancelled now) and you were town there.
This is a great indication of you only playing games where you are scum.

[Vedith]

e you are th

Well actually Fragger is scum here it's been confirmed.
And you are defending so hard that it shows you are scum too.

[Vedith]

Oh yeah, you got replaced out.
But you are scum 100% sure.

[Vedith]

Not in this game, I already said not in this game you fucking moron... -_-
Learn to read the game before discrediting my posts.

I was talking about the game where you said I troll claimed, moron.

Now get the fuck outta here you scrub. xD

[Vedith]

If you say I am trolling and claimed in the same sentence, that means you are saying I was troll claiming.
You really are stupid, aren't you?

I think from on in this game you can go in the pile with Fragger of my ignoring.
I don't fancy engaging with fucking idiots all the time.

[Vedith]

but I feel there's a chance he's just trolling town after he retracted the claim.

Show me where I retracted it.

UNVOTE: Fragger

[Vedith]

So tired of people not reading the game

[Vedith]

WIN-WIN here.
Fraggernaut flips scum, Vedith is pretty much confirmed town (get BlockyMan to watch him).
Fraggernaut flips town, we lynch Vedith day after.

Most opportunist comment going here.

[Vedith]

Vedith, are you just a VT fakeclaiming cop or actually a cop? Because I'm finding it hard to believe that there are this many PRs.

We're not lynching you anyway because I have an innocent on you, but I'm just having difficult seeing this as a setup.

I'm not cop.
I just left you lot to assume from my comment of "I'll find you scum tonight".

I don't like that fact that you believe I could be cop with you having the ability too though.
I'm also not sure why the Watcher was killed over you.

[Vedith]

I healed Accountant.

Why not Blocky though?

[Vedith]

And you used the 1 shot on accountant last night instead of saving it?

Pedit - That makes no sense.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Exo

Pedit - Wrong, why would scum kill unclaimed to claimed watcher?!

[Vedith]

Pedit - Wrong, why would scum kill unclaimed to claimed watcher?!

@1151

[Vedith]

Because they wouldn't kill one of their own. I believed Blocky was scum.

But you still used your 1 protect on an unclaimed player instead of a claimed.
Regartdless what you thought, a town would have protected there JIC.

[Vedith]

Maybe inactive team, maybe just not communicating or discussing over it.

[Vedith]

Says he will catch up tomorrow - Already read the thread...

[Vedith]

1) you are not the Town Cop
2) you did not have a guilty investigation on Fraggernaut

If you are town this behaviour is inexcusable.

You say it like I care.
My last comment still stands.

[Vedith]

ErrantParabola is probably also scum. He didn't once give any kind of read on Fraggernaut, which is highly unusual given how long Fragger was in the spotlight this game. And even what little he said about Bullet D1 was incredibly fluffy for someone who had his vote there the entire day. He reads more like he's trying to avoid drawing attention to himself than like he's trying to get scum lynched.

This would also explain Exo claiming a doc power if he is scum too.

[Vedith]

RC is always scum. I think a policy lynch going forward is the best option.

Thanks for modding FB =D
Well done scum and cheers for the game all

[Vedith]

It's getting salty in here.