Mini 1737: Bringer Mafia [Mafia Win]

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser you missed me in your universal reads

Yes, there's a few more to go. At lunch x

[PatientZer0]

PatientZer0. We share some reads. We share some logic. This bought him enough town-cred. The only thing rubbing me the wrong way on PatientZer0 was his invitation for Vedith to troll. Whether in jest or serious, the shit then hit the fan:

In post 162, PatientZer0 wrote:
hey vedith you should troll some, I liked that last game

*Vedith trolls, via a hard roleclaim, naked/empty read lists and the claim he's found 3 confirmed scum*

How would that rub you the wrong way on me? Vedith is the trolliest person I have seen so far and I was just waiting for it to start. Last game I was thankful for it because I was mafia, but it was SUPER FUCKING OBNOXIOUS for the town because he did that shit all game and nobody could tell if he was mafia or not. If i was a better mafia player we would of won and town would of lost, mainly, because the focus of the first 2 days was trying to figure out if vedith was mafia or not because we killed the cop and there was no other way to tell if his trolling was just shit town or trying-to-be-clever mafia. But even then his trolling was still not as bad as what ever the hell he is trying to do now, which literally makes no sense as town.

IDK how voting him was naughty? If somebody you suspected to be mafia voted for you, then tries to discredit you by saying some bullshit, it would then be wrong to vote for them? Add on to that fact that he failed at trying to throw shade at fragger, claimed PR way before he should have if he is really a PR, and has MADE NO LOGICAL SENSE AT AAAAALLLLL.... Brings me to the conclusion that he is mafia.

[Bleeding Scar]

VOTE: all Alone

I think flipping All Alone will tell us the most about the game state.

Whats your read on AA?
Or are you simply willing to lynch AA for the wagon analysis info?

646 by bullet is a lot of words without actually saying anything meaningful.

Ill be phoneposting until Tuesday because no wifi in hotel.

Best out of the options. Fraggernaut bleeds town and BnL looks pretty town. AA, I don't have any strong feels about.

[Bleeding Scar]

If I had my choice, we'd lynch Vedith.

[Keyser Söze]

@PatientZer0 - So you can see a definitive contrast in his town-troll, scum-troll game? Why was he mod-killed in that game?

[Vedith]

Also Vedith that logic makes absolutely no sense at all. "The only reason that there is so much resistance to your lynch is because you are scum otherwise you would have been lynched by now." So you're saying town won't lynch scum? How bout that fact that the only people reading me scum are the donkey's who have tunneled me all game without any valid accusation or logic. Hmmmmmm.

I won't address this as you clearly have no idea how lynching works.

[Vedith]

W8 w8! you said you played here for two weeks?!

I've had 20 games with him in the last 2 weeks.

Spoiler:

Do not check my games list to see if I have played for longer than 2 weeks
I do not want to be confirmed scum for you finding this out!

[Vedith]

If I had my choice, we'd lynch Vedith.

Lucky for you, no one cares what you think.

[Frozen Angel]

W8 w8! you said you played here for two weeks?!

I've had 20 games with him in the last 2 weeks.

Spoiler:

Do not check my games list to see if I have played for longer than 2 weeks
I do not want to be confirmed scum for you finding this out!

[Vedith]

@PatientZer0 - So you can see a definitive contrast in his town-troll, scum-troll game? Why was he mod-killed in that game?

Show me a scum troll game!
I was also mod killed because I said a player was up their own arse basically, thinking high and mighty of themselves. I shall keep it nameless though.

[Fraggernaut]

Also Vedith that logic makes absolutely no sense at all. "The only reason that there is so much resistance to your lynch is because you are scum otherwise you would have been lynched by now." So you're saying town won't lynch scum? How bout that fact that the only people reading me scum are the donkey's who have tunneled me all game without any valid accusation or logic. Hmmmmmm.

I won't address this as you clearly have no idea how lynching works.

You just said that the only reason why people are opposed to my lynch is because I'm scum otherwise I would of been lynched by now . That makes absolutely no sense from a town perspective. Towns main objective is lynching scum. Why would town be opposed to lynching scum? Maybe the fact because I'm town. Hence people don't want to mislynch me.

[PatientZer0]

Yes, I believe this is his scum-troll. In the last game he started trolling after piratemollie bullied him into a corner, which resulted in his unreadable alignment for the next 2 days before he got lynched and flipped town. In this game, PR claiming, and the immediate switch to the two most wagonable people and me as scum seems really shoddily put together and a way to get some of the suspicion off of himself by using the whole "I played with him once before and now i know his scum play, he is scum". I would be really surprised if this is his town play. But if it is his town play, he needs to reevaluate his play style immensely.

Well mollie wanted him modkilled for being toxic(which was an exaggeration), in the end I think he was mod killed because he voted for himself? I'm actually not that sure and it was never represented properly.

[Vedith]

You just said that the only reason why people are opposed to my lynch is because I'm scum otherwise I would of been lynched by now . That makes absolutely no sense from a town perspective. Towns main objective is lynching scum. Why would town be opposed to lynching scum? Maybe the fact because I'm town. Hence people don't want to mislynch me.

I shall present you with -
Scum buddies of yours will try to push else where, that will influence players into voting else where. It has nothing to do with town not wanting to lynch scum, but town being mis guided.
As town, scum will let the focus stay on you, and there wouldn't be much resistance, at least not to this level.

[Vedith]

Yes, I believe this is his scum-troll. In the last game he started trolling after piratemollie bullied him into a corner, which resulted in his unreadable alignment for the next 2 days before he got lynched and flipped town. In this game, PR claiming, and the immediate switch to the two most wagonable people and me as scum seems really shoddily put together and a way to get some of the suspicion off of himself by using the whole "I played with him once before and now i know his scum play, he is scum". I would be really surprised if this is his town play. But if it is his town play, he needs to reevaluate his play style immensely.

Well mollie wanted him modkilled for being toxic(which was an exaggeration), in the end I think he was mod killed because he voted for himself? I'm actually not that sure and it was never represented properly.

Have you seen me play scum games before? Or read a game with it?

My PR claim was like 4 roles into 1 that would never exist in the game, and I even stated VT after.
Zero, this is what exaggeration is.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, this is P0 seeing Vedith as an easy target and acting appropriately.

[PatientZer0]

I read the one lilith posted into our previous game.

can you link the post where you retracted the claim?

@RC actually no, if I was mafia and wanted to go on an easy target, I would just jump aboard one of the current wagons and just ride that shit out. If vedith did retract the claim that serves exactly 0 purpose other than further his trolling. And he has acted scummy as shit calling me scum for literally no reason trying to throw his scummy scent onto me, and, thinks he can get away with it...... Or vedith do you have a better reason now?

RC why are you even voting for me? i seem to have forgotten the illogical reason between all the fan arts you post -_-

[Vedith]

- So you are saying that I was scum trolling in the game Lilith posted?

- No, you look into the game, I don't care enough to waste my time.

[PatientZer0]

lol you should try not using fallacy logic to argue against me. Just because i read one of your mafia games, does not make it a troll-mafia game.In the last game we played, you were playing your troll-town game where you just trolled and trolled until you got lynched. This gameplay is very different. You started out not trolling until I asked you to start, soze noticed, because i destinctiviley remember lilith stating that the games where you wern't mafia were the games when you trolled and noticed that the games where you were, you didn't. Which would mean you are trying to cover up your scum play by throwing in some troll, thinking that you could get me lynched and whenever people look to see if you do have a "scum-troll" game there wouldn't be any.
The main reason I pegged you as troll-scum this game is based on the illogical reason you are voting me for, that you have played with me before and know my scum game.... That last game we played together was my first, so you had to of based your vote soley on that one game, which if you are town is irresponsible and shows, the more likely case, that you are mafia.


mmmm when i look into your ISO this is all i am finding.

I can give a name, but it would be a lie... I'm not really looking to lie as town.
I'll give you a scum name day 2, this is almost a guarantee (I just need the night phase).

Because tomorrow I shall present scum. I don't see what you don't get from this?!
Give me a reason for each of my town reads to not be town.

There seems to be no evidence of you retracting your PR claim or of you claiming VT.... Can somebody show me it, because I am clearly missing something or he is indefinitely scum?

[Frozen Angel]

Find me scum

I can give a name, but it would be a lie... I'm not really looking to lie as town.
I'll give you a scum name day 2, this is almost a guarantee (I just need the night phase).

Well I cant find him ever denying the claim he had here.

[Vedith]

What was there to deny?

[Frozen Angel]

Well! I think you just said you have a power to use in nite phase . am I mistaking?

Well! I think you just said you have a power to use in nite phase . am I mistaking?

I actually said that I should be able to give you scum tomorrow.

[Vedith]

I don't see your point?

[Frozen Angel]

Do you claim you have a town PR role or not?! I'm confused as hell!

[Frozen Angel]

Wow man Your just a sanity destroyer (in both game we are playing together :/ )

[PatientZer0]

Vedith:

My PR claim was like 4 roles into 1 that would never exist in the game, and I even stated VT after.
Zero, this is what exaggeration is.

Me:

can you link the post where you retracted the claim?

Vedith being an ass hat:

- No, you look into the game, I don't care enough to waste my time.

Me:

There seems to be no evidence of you retracting your PR claim or of you claiming VT.... Can somebody show me it, because I am clearly missing something or he is indefinitely scum?

Frozen:

Well I cant find him ever denying the claim he had here.

Vedith:

What was there to deny?

Vedith's claim:

I can give a name, but it would be a lie... I'm not really looking to lie as town.
I'll give you a scum name day 2, this is almost a guarantee (I just need the night phase).

This^
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That first quote makes no sense, because your claim does not actually point to "4 different roles rolled into 1," it actually alludes to a night investigative role(cop) that can check individual players(cop) to see if they are scum(cop)....which does exist.


please for the love of god let's kill this essentially self-confirmed scum... This is a considerably more solid lynch than anything you guys have otherwise.