Mini 1747: Cinnamon Roll Mafia Endgame

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Catching up. On page 7 atm.

Rly hope tool or dave is dead when I get to the end of this.

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Moose is town.

Syndesis is obv town.

Soap is town.

FA-QA leans scum. Add him to the list of people it would be cool if they were dead at the end of this.

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To get this out of the way: my phrasing in my ISO read on dave wasn't the greatest. I said he was trying to make people look scummy -- more like "hint that people might be scum in order to undermine townreads."

I think you're missing the point of what I'm doing.

A calls B town for no reason or a bad reason.
I point out to A that their reasoning is bad.

This does not mean I think B isn't town, nor does it mean I'm trying to convince A that B isn't town.
I'm pointing out that A might be scum because they're using bad reasoning to townread B. And trying to do it in a way that engages A to explain further, so I can sort A.

Now, go back through that again and see if you understand...

This is a good post. Dave going down on the "hope he's dead" meter.

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iraonavp likely scum.

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VOTE: TheCow

Until he explains the vote on Tool. He has been asked to explain his vote twice and has ignored this question once.

I was going to say this was a shitty vote, but then I reconsidered. I have the following thoughts:

1) Hawk is currently the most voted player. Natural inclination of both town and scum here is to try to find things that could be scummy in that position.
2) There is literally nothing going down right now. The game is a circle jerk at this point with a bunch of people very actively doing nothing. I actually kind of like this post as I think its a decent attempt to actually put some real discussion in the game.
3) I like it a lot better than the two or so people who made vague "well, you really should say more RIGHT NOW" types of posts without putting any teeth into them.

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page 14. FA is still scum!

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Scummy reasoning and such but yeah.

My lynch is inevitable at this point so idc

I hate posts like this.

I was pretty strongly reading town here up until this post.

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moosey likely town but dear god I hope they get force replaced.

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Can you give some details on the Syndesis read?

They... seem town-aligned? Their posts are genuine and train-of-thought, s that what you want to hear? I am not good at town-aligned reads. Let's say it is a "gut read", if that makes it easier.

This sounds like you have no true scum reads at all?

I don't understand where you're getting this from. I read Metrion, FA_Q2, TheCow and you as scum-aligned to various degrees. The deadline is forcing a compromise lynch.

How is this a compromise lynch? You want to lynch me and I am one of the leading wagons.

A compromise lynch because Metrion would be my first pick for today's lynch.

Wait. Where the actual fuck did this just come from? I could be wrong here, but I don't think I remember this ever being said before. Now, at deadline suddenly the top lynch choice is a lurker who is not one of the 2 main wagons who I don't recall you making a case on before?

Come again?

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D1 end. Nice job town!

That makes my previous post all the more important. Throwing a wrench into the lynch equation when a scummy is on the chopping block makes trying to derail a buddy a real possibility. Especially because the post literally made me do a double take.

at hawkeyes fake claim as town.

I fucking hate that. Even if it worked this time.

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Agreed, synd. But there are other possibilities, including multiball and SK. Multiball would have to be werewolves since Chaotic's mafia faction was just called "mafia" and not "___ mafia."

Anyway....here's the wagon analysis I did during the night. It's based on Chaotic's faction being the only anti-town faction in the game, so very subject to change should anything come to light that suggests otherwise. Removed sword and hawk because they flipped:

Spoiler: Chaotic Neutrality wagon

-Syndesis #6, L-6 (RVS), switch to hawk in #12, L-7
-FA #303, L-6
-Tool #314, L-5
-Synd #338, L-4, switch to FA in #379, L-4
-Hawk #345, L-3
-dave #431, L-3
-soap #451, L-2
-synd #460, L-1
-sword #461, L-0

FA: OK so FA looks pretty friggin' town here because he actually started the wagon and stuck to it as we approached deadline with nothing else going on. As I've said before, it didn't really look like bussing.

Synd: Synd's switch to FA and redirection to the CN wagon when it became apparent that that was the lynch looks somewhat scumpartner-y. But Syndesis overall looks town.

Dave: Dave might look bad if it weren't for the context surrounding his L-3 vote. At the time, syndesis had hopped off of CN and onto FA. CN and FA had the same number of votes on them and dave agreed that FA looked scummy. So for hypothetical purposes, if dave were scum with CN and FA is town, that would mean that scumdave looked at two wagons with equal momentum and chose to push his partner over a townie. Doesn't make sense. On top of that dave looks town for other reasons which I've gone into before.

Soap: Soap's vote comes soon after dave's vote, and at the time CN and FA were again tied for number of votes (because CN voted FA). It also came after I specifically asked soap for his thoughts on CN. My initial thought was that soap's vote looked the most like bussing scum because of the timing, but CN's vote on FA puts that in doubt a little bit because that meant soap was, at least by pure numbers, in the same position that dave was in when dave voted on CN. However, Soap wasn't posting very frequently in the week leading up to deadline (bc Christmas) and it's possible he wasn't paying a ton of attention to the voting/VCs. Simply by process of elimination, Soap looks like the best candidate for bussing scum on the wagon. If we eliminate him and he flips town, I think I could accept the possibility that it was an all-town wagon that lynched CN.

Spoiler: FA_Q2 wagon

-Synd #139, L-6, switches to dave in #318, L-7
-ira #189, L-5, unvotes in #231, L-6
-lolbabe #378, L-6
-Synd #379, L-5, switches to CN in #460, L-5
-ira #415, L-4
-Chaotic #447, L-3

Synd: OK this side of things continues to make Syndesis look bad. The vote in #139 doesn't really mean much, I could see that coming from a partner or a townie, but the fact that she revoted FA one post after lolbabe decided to revive the FA wagon is a little suspicious given that FA was the only other wagon that looked like it might succeed besides CN's wagon. I'm going to want to take another look at Syndesis's ISO and see how I feel about this.

ira: ira's arc also makes him look like a potential partner to CN. He follows syndesis onto the FA wagon but unvotes when FA questions him a little, perhaps like scum who lack true conviction in a wagon they know is on town. When he revotes FA, it's at a time when it wasn't yet clear that CN was the day's likely lynch. In other words, ira helped push momentum toward the FA wagon that I now believe was likely on town. ira did start saying in #434 that he would lynch anybody, including CN, and I believe this actually supports the case that ira is a partner. #434 was just after dave pushed the CN wagon closer to being the day's lynch (but before CN put FA's wagon equal with his own again) and looks like scum giving themselves the ability to bus if need be.

lolbabe: lolbabe was also in a place that looks like it could be scum pushing a counterwagon to partnerCN, but I will point out that she appears pretty open about the possibility that CN is scum. She says CN looks like town in the post she votes FA (#378), but then pushes CN some in #401, #452 and #453. The first of those, #401, was while the FA wagon was still neck-and-neck with the CN wagon. So that works in favor of lolbabe being town, though she could just be a good scum player.

Everyone else, plus an ISO read on Synd:

Metrion: Metrion's only vote was an RVS vote on the Cow. He unvoted in his second post and never voted again. He wasn't too active during that time, and holy crap does his arc look like a scum partner to CN. Literally half his posts come after I begin pushing CN, and the bulk of that is defending CN/his read on CN. It's always a relatively soft defense (look at the question mark in #334), and after I push back on it he begins to distance himself from the read ever so slightly. But he never goes so far as to abandon his townread on CN. His last post came before dave pushed the CN wagon toward becoming the day's lynch, so we never got to see how his attitude on CN would have changed (or not changed) given the town momentum, but given the slow build and compromise-y nature of the CN lynch, it would make sense for at least one of the scum partners to have been MIA as momentum swung CN's way.His defense of CN was, imo, shallow. I bookmarked a couple snippets from Metrion's defense in case CN flipped scum because even at the time I thought Metrion's defense of CN looked weird. Even as he was defending CN, he was trying to put some focus on other players, like ira. The "droning on" thing I highlighted because it looked like Metrion was reaching to support his conclusion that CN looked towny. It looked like he was grabbing for anything to support his conclusion, which is what you do when you want to arrive at a certain conclusion instead of trying to arrive at the conclusion that truly makes the most sense. I think #346 looks bad as well; he's trying to slow down momentum toward lynching CN by saying that we have five days left -- ignoring the fact that those days made up the week of Christmas, which I had already pointed out. Right now Metrion looks like by far the best candidate for a D2 lynch.

Moosy: It's tough to tell whether Moosy's end-of-day vote on ira was serious or not. He was clearly not taking D1 seriously, and the post in which he voted ira involved him voting every single player including himself. So maybe he did it just to be silly but intentionally made ira the last person he voted for, or maybe ira just happened to be the last person he put on his vote ladder and therefore it was more like another RVS vote. One could argue that his nonchalant and silly attitude on D1 came from scum wanting to absolve himself of any attachment to anything that happened during the day, therefore ensuring that he would live on to D2, but I don't really buy that when I weigh it against the desire to protect your partner (who became the lynch candidate and was under pressure for a good chunk of the day). It's worth noting that Moosy mentions CN in two of the posts where he actually put in some effort, #293 and #312. In the first he leans toward CN being town but says that may change. Looks like genuinely trying to sort CN imo. In the second he says that CN is "probably scum tbh." So even though it's possible Moosy is a partner, I think there are much better candidates to look at right now.

TheCow: Again, the arc with hawk ends with Cow looking town imo. He naked votes me in #269 and declines to say why when asked. For the whole week leading up to Christmas/deadline, he really didn't do anything. This also kind of fits in with my theory from my Metrion analysis above -- that at least one of the scum partners was inactive close to deadline, which is why the CN wagon built like it did -- but again I don't necessarily buy that that's true when Metrion looks much more like scum than Cow and it also makes a lot of sense that at least one partner would be on the FA counterwagon.

Synd: You know what, the tone of Syndesis's posts throughout the game, especially earlier in the day, support the town explanation for her voting pattern re: FA and CN. She plays lighthearted and switches her vote around a lot and votes people to see how they'll react (as opposed to having a ton of conviction behind votes). At one point she says she feels adrift. That explains, from a town perspective, why she switched around from FA to CN, and why some of it looks like it's at times that would be convenient for scum. I'm comfortable keeping Synd out of the scum pool for now.

Spoiler: Chaotic's interactions

-His first real reads are given in #253, where he says moosy and I look scummy. This is further evidence for moosy being town, I think -- moosy was the low-hanging fruit for scum to chase, and the usual narrative is for scum to look for low-hanging fruit to push a mislynch. Plus it was early in the day, so why bus? Not to mention #311, which can now be read with a bit more confidence as Chaotic knowing that moosy would flip town if lynched.
-The vote on FA in #447 could be read as scum bussing to distance themselves from a buddy because they know that they are going to be lynched, but meh.

Reads list

Town:

-FA
-dave

Null-town:

-moosy
-synd
-thecow

Null:

-

Null-scum:

-lolbabe
-soap
-ira

Scum:

-metrion

VOTE: metrion

I'm mostly interested in the beginning of this post. Namely, I find that the first person to bring up something like multiball very often has a reason to believe the setup might be multiball.

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Page 20. Has lolbabe taken a strong stance on literally anything this entire game?

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Does anyone have a meta check on tool for me? Is he typically this high effort as scum? One of my blind spots is I typically associate high effort as town even though thats often not true even a little bit.

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Page 26. Not a huge fan of the metrion lynch because a) it seems to have been pulled out of some asses b) those asses seem to be working in concert and c) those asses all belong to people who I am reading as scum.

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There is definitely 1 scum in
[iraonavp, FA]

but probably 2.

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All caught up.

vote: iraonavp

Reasoning is in 836 and 837.

DIE SUCK DIE DIE DIE SUCK DIE SCUM SUCK DIE

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There are too many potential scum motivations for the play day 1 wrt cn for me to spend too much time thinking about it. It's essentially wifom imo.

But I will say there's a reason I voted one of the two scum reads and not the other.

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I missed that in my skim but went back and you're right. I still don't like the push, and actually reading the early posts I like it even less. Especially considering the fact that he said a large part of his reasoning for why he thought met was scum was because he thought it was trying to distract from the hawk wagon, a wagon that we now know was town, which didn't seem to deter him at all.

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Soap is town.

Why?

iraonavp likely scum.

Why

I assume the defense of CN?

page 14. FA is still scum!

Whyyyyy

Mostly these are gut reads.

I will delve a little more into FA though.

The reason I think they're scum is because they are giving the appearance of contributing to the game without actually contributing to the game. In addition to that, they don't seem to give too much of a care about who gets lynched. Oh sure, they might say they do, but to me it seems like they're more concerned with getting A lynch rather than the correct one.

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Page 20. Has lolbabe taken a strong stance on literally anything this entire game?

What do you think of this slot (lolbabe was replaced by Raskolnikov)? This is the only mention I see of lolbabe / Raskolnikov, and you haven't included them in your list of scum-aligned reads.

I lean scum, but its hard to get a good handle on the slot.

I'm not a huge fan of lurker hunting (and think scum is more often found in those doing the hunting, such as yourself) but lolbabe was just on the line between lurking and trying to feel like they're not lurking. In addition, the posts they did have seemed averse to stating opinions and making waves. Most of the posts were entirely related to asking for small points of clarification on other peoples posts.

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All caught up.

vote: iraonavp

Reasoning is in 836 and 837.

DIE SUCK DIE DIE DIE SUCK DIE SCUM SUCK DIE

Anything else? We have a lot more than just d1 to work with here.

I don't really do cases, but I will say there is indeed more reason to the vote than just that.

The main one is, and I know this is hard for you to defend against so I'm sorry for that, that your posts just feel... off. To me. They feel like they're not invested in scum hunting. When I read most of your posts they don't seem too focused on finding scum.

Shrug. It's a feel thing. I don't expect anyone else to vote based on it, and I don't really have interest in getting into a big discussion about it because you're not going to change my mind, but that's the main reason.

There are bits and pieces of more concrete stuff, like the met stuff and the thing you quoted too, but I don't have enough to be compelling to other people other than saying "read his iso. does he look like he's trying to find the bad guys?"

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D1 end. Nice job town!

That makes my previous post all the more important. Throwing a wrench into the lynch equation when a scummy is on the chopping block makes trying to derail a buddy a real possibility. Especially because the post literally made me do a double take.

at hawkeyes fake claim as town.

I fucking hate that. Even if it worked this time.

I mean maybe you have a point about the counterwagon thing, this has been discussed at length, but note that FA_Q2 was the counterwagon not Metrion. I'm not convinced from your blind notes of d1 that you would've voted CN over FA_Q2 here either.

I almost certainly would not have been voting cn. But I did detail when my attitude shifted on CN and when I would have been willing to include CN in my "list of people willing to vote for" in post 834.

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There is definitely 1 scum in
[iraonavp, FA]

but probably 2.

What happened to your Dave read? Are you thinking he is town now?

No strong read on dave atm.

I would have been pushing the hell out of him d1 but he's kind of fallen off my radar. Would be willing to look deeper if someone would point me in a direction they think merits investigation.

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@Thestatusquo, what do you think of dave's mechanical posting in general? Town or scum?

What do you mean by mechanical? Do you perhaps mean logical?

Why do you feel the need to respond to a question that is not directed at you?

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I feel the need to respond to a mischaracterization of my posting.

How could it be a mischaracterization if, by your own admission, you don't even know what he meant by it?

And why was correcting this phantom mischaracterization more important to you than hearing my answer to the question?

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Answer the fucking question.

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For whom?

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For whom?

Scum,

clearly

How do you think this is helpful?

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Not really. I don't find moody to be a worthwhile person to interact with/have my actions dictated by.

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but VOTE: FA_Q2 since I'm pretty sure Ira is town

why?

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but VOTE: FA_Q2 since I'm pretty sure Ira is town

why?

I don't think Scum would fervently defend their partner especially while they were pretty much certain to be the lynch for that day, plus a lot of his posts do come off (to me at least) as pretty genuine.

and the vote?

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@Thestatusquo, what do you think of dave's mechanical posting in general? Town or scum?

What do you mean by mechanical? Do you perhaps mean logical?

Why do you feel the need to respond to a question that is not directed at you?

I agree with this to some extent, I don't really mind people butting in on questions but the way he did it sucked. Obviously davesaz doesn't believe that Moosy actually meant "logical", this seems uncharacteristically snarky for davesaz and I don't like it at all.

I did however dislike how Thestatusquo ended up having danced around the question that Moosy originally asked. I thought it was a good question since Thestatusquo claims not to have a strong read on davesaz.

I really like this post.

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:/

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unvote, vote: FA

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Yes.

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Well, go ahead and lynch me then. Clearly town does not give a fuck anymore.
Ras is scummy as hell. TSQ really is not any better. Your read on me is shit. Soaps last actions was scummy as well and he has not done much for town this game at all.

I think a likely pair is Ras TSQ - Ras has been feeling me out as a possible lynch for awhile now and I think it has to do with seeing how much traction they can get. I can concive both scum playing together at this point because it would be devistating to lose a second scum partner at this stage to many town players to be down to a single scum.

Scummy reasoning and such but yeah.

My lynch is inevitable at this point so idc

I hate posts like this.

I was pretty strongly reading town here up until this post.

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Seriously the last post reads a lot more like "CAUGHT FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS" than it does town frustrated by the wagon.

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LOL and in response to the SECOND vote on you. It's not like you were put to l-1.

That post would just be completely bizarre coming from a town player imo.

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how could you possibly think we only have one mislynch left?

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Looking at FA's 922, it

is

reminiscent of frustrated town. (I said this about CN too, so take that with a grain of salt. ) However...I'm not sure what it is about it that's bothering me, but

something

is. Could just be tonal, though.

Caught for all the wrong reasons.

FTFY.

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Some more reads would be appreciated since we're coming up on deadline and it would be nice to know who we can come to a consensus on?

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I'm willing to vote for any of the following slots:
3. FA_Q2
13. davesaz
9. Raskolkinov

in order of preference.

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We are NOT lynching syndesis today.

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100% not happening.

Plz try again.

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Then fucking don't.
Sheep your current reads onto the Davesaz wagon. Or whatever.
See what it flips.
Don't expect me to do all your heavy lifting for you.
I can replace into a game and carry, fine. but not if town is going to fight me every step of the way.
I'm not arguing with you lot. I have my scum picks, you lynch who you will. Your votes are outside of my jurisdiction.

What in the actual fresh fuck is wrong with you, you little unpleasant piece of shit.

I have been providing most of the reads most of the content and have been actively trying to figure out this game since I replaced in, you come in here, 3 days before deadline, proclaim someone scum and then refuse to fucking explain why. Refuse to give any other reads. Refuse to give any fucking context and then when people question you on that utter bullshit of a way to play mafia you say people are expecting you to fucking lead them to the promised land?

No, fuck you Mr. My-shit-smells-like-roses. I asked you for a list of people you'd be ready to compromise on, because, in case you haven't noticed in your little hero complex fantasy world that you're living in that is inhabited only by fucking you and your ego, there is a fucking day until deadline. So post the fucking list of people you would be willing to lynch and try to be a little bit less of an annoying piece of shit about it, k?

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Vote: RC

Policy. Try to be less fucking obnoxious or policy lynch. Don't even care.

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Intent to hammer. Fuck it.

Claim or die.

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you're a fucking idiot.

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lol

"one vote on my scum buddy herp derp better fake a flip out because that amazing rc is ON TO US."

Seriously, how does your fucking brain even work?

Also, my meta is fucking clear. Go read it yourself.

Oh wait, actually never mind. Asking you to do any fucking work at all is "asking you to carry the town"

and "be our savior"

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I was blindly angry at you and still am. I would happily see you die independent of your alignment.

But rak is in my list of top 3, he is at l-2, and we are right against deadline.

Perhaps you don't know how mafia works but that's a pretty good time to vote someone.

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Also, for what its worth in my experience "get XYZ when I flip!" is a line that comes from scum like 90% of the time.

Especially from someone who was literally just moaning about how few mislynches we have left like only a couple of pages ago.

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I'm pretty sure I voted him before you had your idea!

So are you going to claim or what?

Still intent to hammer you when RC gets done toying with you and puts his vote back on.

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I've literally said intent to hammer to get a claim when I had the opportunity to hammer already.

What the fuck are you smoking.

Also, you couldn't get me lynched if you tried, bruv.

I've only been lynched as town once in 10 years. You're not high caliber enough.

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Give you 5 more minutes before I hammer to make a claim.

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I swear to god syndesis if you unvote...

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10 bucks says we're both town, tbh.

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vote: rak

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in case that typo wouldn't count.

vote: raskol

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just so you know

rules:
3. When you are dead, you are dead. Do not post anything further afterwards, except one non-informational "bah" post.

you should probably stop posting now.

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As a mod I would be displeased if the player who was just hammered continued to talk in twilight. Thats not how death work, either in flavor or as a mechanic.

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Maybe things have changed. But for instance my ruleset doesn't even allow players to post at all after they've been lynched.

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fair enough.

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Why would we ever try to set up lynches in advance of when we have to make them?

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Yeah but like...

a) setting up an ordered list is giving the scum free information upon which to base their night kills.
b) Setting up 2 in a row is silly at best because we're likely to have a lot of new information by the time we have to make that second lynch, so why bother thinking about it, with less information, now, which makes it more likely for us to tunnel or have confbias?

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I am not sure about this.

Iraon's points make sense.

In addition to that, I think a bodyguard in addition to a jailkeeper in addition to my role is too much power for the setup maybe.

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in addition to a JOAT.

Yeah. Actually I'm not buying it, really.

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but I also hate second guessing the mod.

ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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oh derp right.

Should I claim?

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If we're going to massclaim we need more consent than that, and I would like to popcorn it if we do.

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So now we wait like a week.

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Cop.
N1 cow investigated syndesis, innocent.
N2 the slot failed to submit an action.
N3 I investigated FA. Innocent.

Just leaves you, Syndesis.

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If we assume 2 scum than it is indeed better to NL today. I wish we had realized that before massclaiming. :-/

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So from my perspective scum is in the subset of:

2. Soapbar
10. iraonavp
13. davesaz

If you assume me town that is your list as well, minus yourself, so the one town player on that list should know who scum are for sure now if they assume me town.

I find daves claim the most suspicious, but the interaction with dave and iraon this morning kind of felt pre-meditated? Like they decided in QT that they would start the day with a fight. Soapbars claim...seems plausible. I am a cop, so it would be a ballsy claim for scum to make. However, I hinted pretty hard that I was cop yesterday. I almost came out and claimed it when I said "we are 100% not lynching syndesis today" which radiantcowbells picked up, for instance.

On the other hand, the fact that I am still alive means I don't think the scum did pick up on the fact that that post was a cop softclaim. It seems like a hell of a ballsy play to not kill the cop in order to fake claim cop enhancer. I just can't see it.

So that make's me inclined to believe soaps claim, and it makes me inclined to think the two scum are dave and iraon, which is sweet because those are two of my very initial scumreads.

I actually dont know if I'm inclined to NL since what it means is that the scum will take out one of the conf town players (if you assume me town) so it doesn't (likely) net us any information.

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should read *it would be a ballsy claim for scum to make without knowing that there is a cop in the setup.


also, Such roles do exist in the absence of the role they enhance, but that's rare I think. It also would have been way easier to claim enhancer on a role that has already been flipped.

THIS ALL MEANS. I'm pretty convinced the two scum are iroan and dave.

All of this assumes that neither of my targets are investigation immune, but I just don't think I can afford to play around that right now.

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Would you vote soapbar?

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ok.

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I think that plan makes a lot of sense.

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if scum no kills we have another cop result in our pocket.

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yeah dav is just clearly scum here, but we should run the plan

vote: no lynch

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There could be a scum-aligned roleblocker which could screw everything up, so that's not actually a foolproof plan.

So? What is your damn point? There is no such thing as a foolproof plan.

But unless you are claiming that there is greater than a 33% chance that there is one (the chance of picking a player at random of the three who could be scum) this hand wringing is fucking stupid and rings hollow.

So vote no lynch like a good scum so we can get on with lynching both you and your buddy.

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Ok. Still no reason not to just no lynch here. Dave BGs me. If I die he is scum. If I don't die I get another result.

[Thestatusquo]

Once again, hand wringing about roles that may or may not be in the setup is 100% irrelevant.

There is a much greater probability that we lose by lynching today that there is to a mafia aligned roleblocker which we have no reason to believe is in the setup.

It's just a fucking exceedingly dumb argument.

[Thestatusquo]

I will cop whomever I want to. I will not make it easy for scum to predict who I am going to investigate.

[Thestatusquo]

...

We have a plan that gets us more information and a better percentage. Why would we lynch today...?

[Thestatusquo]

how can you possibly know if I'm making an optimal decision without knowing what decision I will make?

[Thestatusquo]

literally all we're doing by prolonging this day instead of no lynching is hemorrhaging information to the scum.

Can we fucking get this over with already?

[Thestatusquo]

Scum are dave and soapbar unless there is some serious bastard modding going on.

FA and iraon are innocent.

So fuck it, I'm not interested in waiting around hand wringing. I have an innocent on two other players in this lylo and I am not even remotely a fan of dave threatening the town like that.

vote: dave

If that's wrong then its wrong, but its got more chance to be right than anything else.

[Thestatusquo]

And also fuck you if you ARE town. That's not the way to play mafia, and frankly I think its borderline against the site rules to threaten to throw the game if you get lynched. I will be reporting it after the game either way.

[Thestatusquo]

Scum are dave and soapbar unless there is some serious bastard modding going on.

FA and iraon are innocent.

So fuck it, I'm not interested in waiting around hand wringing. I have an innocent on two other players in this lylo and I am not even remotely a fan of dave threatening the town like that.

vote: dave

If that's wrong then its wrong, but its got more chance to be right than anything else.

Who did you target last night, and why?

you're not so good at reading, huh?

[Thestatusquo]

lol dave has patented mafia.

[Thestatusquo]

You really should just hammer yourself at this point, mr. 40 patents man.

Or perhaps your advanced equations are too complicated for you to understand on that point?

[Thestatusquo]

how was soap confirmed scum from my perspective?

[Thestatusquo]

this game was excruciating.

I am also legitimately reporting dave.

Threatening to throw the game as town if someone votes you is not playing to your win condition.

[Thestatusquo]

Good luck with that. Knowingly voting town because you're pissed off at them is not playing to win condition either.

It's a good thing thats not actually what I was doing then.

[Thestatusquo]

I outguessed myself, basically.

I didn't want to be predictable in case it would help the scum and I also assumed I was going to die so thought it wouldn't matter.

:/