Mini 1758: Game Over

[SirCakez]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells
For sassing me in the queue.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player
I'll join you on that

[SirCakez]

Extending the RVS unneccesarily.

[SirCakez]

Extending the RVS unneccesarily.

how was I extending RVS? There was nothing yet I could use to take us out of RVS

There were, for example 39 and. 50.

[SirCakez]

Zulfy why are you still voting camn?

[SirCakez]

Because you were making stances on other players, like 117 but were still sitting on a RVS vote.

[SirCakez]

I'm actually pretty sure Camn is scum and it's already 6 pages in.

I mean there's the risk of it being a confbias since it's this early in the game but I think she's actually just scum again here.

I don't see this at all. Explain?

[SirCakez]

The no-avatar thing isn't my issue with SRMP.
I have no idea what RC is doing.

[SirCakez]

Not really, true.

[SirCakez]

Can someone explain the case on camn to me? I'm not seeing it.
@Performer - CKD unvoted.

[SirCakez]

(._. )

[SirCakez]

I'll sheep RC onto this since SRMP wagon is dead
VOTE: tictac

[SirCakez]

What's wrong with joining a wagon?

[SirCakez]

I do like wagons. They're good for pressure and analysis.

[SirCakez]

I've only hopped one wagon, and that's because the first one I was on was dead and not going anywhere.

[SirCakez]

Scummy. Don't like his camn or zulfy votes.

[SirCakez]

That vote seems more like a policy vote than a vote on someone you think is scum.

So many scummy people in this game...

Well you would be wrong about that. I would educate you on what the word "ping" means in the context of mafia, but I know you already know.

I thought you'd be smart enough to infer that your use of the word ping doesn't make your vote better :/

@Lokiben
I'm not answering your questions until you answer mine. I'm the one who questioned you first. As a side note, both are terrible, stupid questions that make it seem like you're stalling for some reason.

Also my Cakez vote was because asking someone to give him the case on camn because he doesn't see it on page EIGHT is scummy to me. Like obviously the case isn't complex enough that you can't read it again. If you still don't like it at that point, then you probably don't agree with it. Asking for someone to explain it to you so early on just makes it look like a cheap way for you to hop on the wagon. If you really "didn't see it", you would explain the issues with the case rather than ask for someone to restate it.

RC's vote consisted of "I'm bussing my partner" so yeah I wanted to see some kind of thought process behind the vote. I have no intention of ever voting camn as of right now because I don't see anything scummy from them.

[SirCakez]

You are improving in terms of scumminess. The main thing I disliked was your behavior at the end of RVS. So I moved my vote appropriately.

[SirCakez]

Both reasons, dead wagon and less scummy.

[SirCakez]

Because RC was leading the wagon and people were sheeping on it so it was an open question to anyone on the wagon.

[SirCakez]

Yeah, I really don't like Sircakez either.
I think my Camn read is a much stronger line though.
Could easily see them as buddies, as well!

Explain?

I still hate all of SirCakez's posts though and I implore people to look at his ISO.

Not sure about the "a cheap way for you to hop on the wagon." thing.
Why would he want to get on camn especially? Looks more like lazy reading to me.

I liked the Random vote but not that he stuck to it for as long as he did and the shifting reasons to get off.

I like 118 and 120, but not the lack of follow-up.

Don't like that UpTooLate needed to prod him to give a read on me despite voting for me.

Could well be scum, but not really seeing the scum in every post.
Do you want to make a more detailed case?

Yeah I should have given the read with the vote. That's one thing I regret.

Elyse has yet to post reasoning for her vote on me aside from me asking for someone to explain the case on camn to me? So yeah I'd like her to explain as well.

[SirCakez]

SirCakez?
This could DEFINATELY be one of tictacs off-wagon partners...maybe with the flip to on-wagon.
He just is too fixated on prompting tictac to give us a real case... Like if the wagon runs off he's ready to white-knight me. . but if it needs some help he is SO READY to "be convinced"

I was the third vote on the tictac wagon, how does that = offwagon partner?
I wanted RC to share his case since everyone was sheeping that and he had (and still hasn't) given next to no reasons. I'm not "fixated on tictac".
And I have no intention of whiteknighting you.

[SirCakez]

I wanted RC to share his case since everyone was sheeping that and he had (and still hasn't) given next to no reasons.

can you explain this a little further, where did you ask RC to share anything?

186, it was an open question for the people wagoning camn but RC was leading the wagon.
Second scum read is probably ika right now, don't like how he just came in, dropped a RC vote and left.

[SirCakez]

What part of ika's posting do you think is scummy? Do you think his vote lacked initial/follow-up reasoning, or do you have an issue with his 1 day absence since then?

Both, he gave little reasoning with the vote and has disappeared from the thread since.

[SirCakez]

Fair, but I dislike the way he entered, dropped a basically naked vote and left. It would be one thing if he had posted reasoning for it.

[SirCakez]

Plain farmer are those players your four scum reads? What do you think of CKD?

[SirCakez]

I asked exactly once about the case on you and people are treating it like I've been constantly dogging everyone for a case which is false and misrep.

[SirCakez]

Zulfy why are you still voting camn?

This was a question about why he hadn't moved his vote yet since he was scumreading other people harder, unrelated to the camn case

I'm actually pretty sure Camn is scum ..... ....I think she's actually just scum again here.

I don't see this at all. Explain?

One

Can someone explain the case on camn to me? I'm not seeing it.

Okay twice

I have no intention of ever voting camn as of right now because I don't see anything scummy from them.

This was a declaration as people were pushing the camn wagon and I didn't want to join it, unrelated to the case on camn.

Yeah, I really don't like Sircakez either.
I think my Camn read is a much stronger line though.
Could easily see them as buddies, as well!

Explain?

This was aimed at why RC didn't like me, unrelated to the case on camn.

So two of these are legitimate.

[SirCakez]

Ty camn.

Tictac could be scum but I don't really care about him right now even though he's #trending in this game.

But Cakez has shown no scumhunting initiative. His ISO is full of him defending himself, explaining himself, or asking other people to do stuff. There's nothing that even makes me THINK he's town.

All of those are behaviors you would see from a townie being tunneled for bad reasons and you're trying to frame it like they aren't.

[SirCakez]

Like Elyse, do you believe town should not defend their self, explain their self or ask other people questions and to do stuff?

[SirCakez]

Tictac needs more votes.
UTL and ika both need to be doing more. Both of their bad votes on RC need to go somewhere useful.

I'm also really not liking CKD right now. His ISO is full of questions he doesn't follow up on, naked votes that go nowhere and generally look like he's trying to blend in.

[SirCakez]

How has tictac's response to the wagon been OK? He's ignoring it.

[SirCakez]

I'm going to serve up a readslist when I get home. I need to organize these reads.

[SirCakez]

And all of those "token posts" you linked were posted from my phone, so yeah they would naturally come through short and concise.

[SirCakez]

SRMP who are you scumreading and why aren't you voting them?

[SirCakez]

Same thing I said about SRMP also applies to Zulfy.

We lynch Random.

Flips green we lynch tictac.
Flips red we lynch me for setting up lynch trains

It's page 4. You think I must be scum if I go after town on page 4?
How much mafia exp do you have?

Sounds like chaining mislynches to me.
VOTE: Zulfy

Takes a super awkward stance on Zulfy here based on a pretty obvious joke.

camn:
I do agree that she might well be scum. She knows I will be on guard against her buddying me again, so it makes sense her scum tactic would be to push me at the earliest opportunity.
It's not like what I was going for with the Rando push is that hard to get.
PC did pretty much the same thing in out previous game after all.
Really weird that she seems to think me having page 3 reasons on page 3 is scummy. I don't buy it.

Also keeping her options open with Rando.
I don't like 'not having an avatar is scummy'. One of of the townies in the last game didn't have one for a large part of day 1. I would like Rando to get an avatar, but calling not having one scummy? No.
I don't like 'this is squirming'. Randos reaction to my push was pretty towny actually, what with trying to figure out why I was pushing instead of jumping to OMGUS.

On balance, I am feeling this
VOTE: camn

Uses the excuse of "she'll push me early as scum" and her thinking page 3 reasons is scummy to vote which are both bad reasons. The "not having an avatar is scummy" part is also bad because there's no scum motivation in that push since no one agreed with her and she was taking a ton of flak for it but kept her stance.

[SirCakez]

Readslist
(Lokiben, RC)
(Elyse, Plain Farmer, Acryon)
(Zulfy, UTL, Camn)
(Ika, SRMP, CKD)
(tictac)

Can explain any of these reads if wanted.

[SirCakez]

Yeah my scumhunting hasn't been good so far this game. I've been tied up trying to defend myself but apparently that's why everyone's scumreading me for so I'm trying to move away from that.

[SirCakez]

On the flip side, I like Loki's posts. He's trying to get Elyse to engage and put something behind her accusations, which she doesn't seem to want/be able to do. Question though, what are your thoughts SirCakez?

My thoughts on Elyse vs Loki? I think it's T v T right now. Loki's entrance wasn't as scummy as Elyse is making it out to be but I don't see scum pushing it as far and hard as Elyse has and Loki's response has been logical and townie.

[SirCakez]

RC I have a townread on you but it's going to dissipate if you keep being uncooperative.

[SirCakez]

Maybe the RC wagon isn't as bad as I thought.

[SirCakez]

Elyse is ignoring what doesn't fit her narrative which I'm disliking.

[SirCakez]

townreading me for being cooperative is like ordering spicy food because you have an upset stomach.
I am uncooperative as both alignments but moreso as town. you make very little sense.

Yeah you were somewhat cooperative this game earlier on but now you're rebelling which is what's making me wonder.

[SirCakez]

I expect you to kill a tunnel on someone who's trying to defend himself and move the game forward and go after some of the five-plus unpressured lurkers, yeah.

[SirCakez]

Why are you townreading tictac?

[SirCakez]

Nah when I catch scum I don't let them go.

What happened to Loki-scum?

[SirCakez]

It was, since you completely avoided the wagon while it was still in existence.
Actually a readslist would be nice.

[SirCakez]

Does Zulfy usually dodge games this much? He's posting in lots of other threads but hasn't made a relevant post here in days.

[SirCakez]

Loki-scum comment was related to how Elyse said "I never let go of caught scum" but was hard scumreading Loki earlier and dropped it randomly.

Other two are scumreads I'm pushing. Yeah I want to lynch my scumreads and not mislynch myself. This misrep is disgusting.

[SirCakez]

It was, since you completely avoided the wagon while it was still in existence.
Actually a readslist would be nice.

No

How very helpful.

[SirCakez]

Camn if you're treating tictac like confscum why aren't you voting him?

[SirCakez]

You're confbiasing or scum.

[SirCakez]

I could buy it. Never seen her play before so not sure if she usually plays like this.

[SirCakez]

I need to talk to someone besides Elyse and Camn because both are basically impossible to talk to.

[SirCakez]

He's not active enough. If he got his butt on I would but we're never on at the same times.

[SirCakez]

Confirmation bias is basically when you're scumreading someone and you look at everything from the perspective of them already being scum, so everything they post just appears even scummier.

All right where are you on reads from a normal perspective? Like assuming I was confirmed town right now what would your reads look like?

[SirCakez]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ation_Bias
Wiki article on confirmation bias

[SirCakez]

Nah when I flip town I'd rather the people who were jumping on bad pushes get looked at more.

[SirCakez]

Because you said she was bussing but I'm not scum.

[SirCakez]

Answered when I voted you.

Next attempt at distraction?

Why are you townreading tictac?

What happened to Loki-scum?

Does Zulfy usually dodge games this much? .

"Please please can't we Lynch anyone but me? Please!! ANYONE BUT ME!!". -cakez

These two posts screamed conf bias to me. I'm trying to push my scumreads and you turned it into "desperate to lynch anyone else".
And I asked where your tictac scumread went since I didn't see where it went earlier and you called it a distraction.

[SirCakez]

I didn't until after I asked the question because I didn't recall seeing you address it. And then when I did go and look back at it:

And a scumflip here would go a long way to re-affirming my tictac-scumread.. so good.

So you're still scumreading tictac and haven't been pushing him at all anymore.

[SirCakez]

On phone.
Loki is readin incrediblt newbtown to me.
That said @loki yer tunneling on the Elyse thing. She's reading very town too.
Prev edit. Ok. Farmer town as well

This is tictac's last post. This needs a lot more pressure.

[SirCakez]

My vote is sitting on him as it has been for a while and I'm trying to get more votes on him but people are being resistant.

[SirCakez]

Yeah that's fine. It's just the way the tictac scum push disappeared after she had been pushing it basically the whole game is what was odd.

Tictac ISO adventure

Spoiler:

58 - Super off post, wanted to let camn squirm properly?

66 and 69 - Two waved questions, "should be obvious" and "you're missing the point" used to avoid answering questions

94 - Says his vote on RC for not using spellcheck is only 90% a joke?

96 - This is basically the thing everyone started scumreading me for. Asks RC why he's still voting camn when it was pretty obvious RC wasn't going to explain at that point.

98 - Implies he doesn't think unneccesary defense is scummy.

102 - Already dissected earlier why this was a terrible vote.

169 - Also already dissected why this vote was bad. Also jumps on Zulfy in the same post but never follows up.

213 - Asks a pointless rhetorical question to RC

273 - Uses ika being in the game to say camn is pushing a mislynch, which is terrible reasoning.

278 - Admits that basically his entire scumread on camn is based on meta and nothing else.

341 - Gives a bunch of unreasoned town reads, super fluffy

[SirCakez]

So yeah if you're not voting tictac please tell me why you still think he's town after reading that.

[SirCakez]

Why did this game die when I posted my Tictac case? Give input please.

[SirCakez]

I already had the reasons, I was just putting together in a post.
I spoilered it because it was a big post, you pushing that I'm trying to hide something is laughable.
Zulfy is null slipping to scum and the Loki post was a question to Elyse about her "not letting go" of her scum reads and she had been previously hard scumreading Loki and dropped it suddenly.
RC top town because he's playing pretty standardly, albeit uncooperative which is usual, and I hate the wagon on him.
I'll go through the ISO part when I get home.

[SirCakez]

I'm thinking camn has a point about you just wanting to lynch anyone who isn't you.

The same applies to you. This is your third wagon hop now and this scumread just conveniently developed when I became the counterwagon. You're joining any wagons you can to get pressure off yourself.
Put more votes on Tictac please.

[SirCakez]

An ika wagon would also be great since he's done absolutely nothing in days except drop a terrible RC vote and leave.

[SirCakez]

There was a wagon on you but it dissipated when the one on me started up. So yeah a counterwagon to a dead wagon.

[SirCakez]

There is pressure on you from me.

[SirCakez]

Yes fear me rabbit, I am coming to hang you from a rope.

[SirCakez]

Does Elyse tunnel as scum a lot? I thought that was indicative of town but if she does it as scum I might be wrong.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ika
Definitely agree this needs a wagon, my second highest scumread. Tictac is still scum though and I will be going over his ISO response soon.

[SirCakez]

Hopefully this is readable. My responses are the words after the orange and end with a line break.

Spoiler:

58 - Super off post, wanted to let camn squirm properly?

Why did ya sheep that post if ya felt it was off?
What is wrong with thinking early-day pressure is wasted on people who are VLA?

I sheeped the Random reasoning, not the stuff on Camn, Elyse, UTL and RC. The Random stuff was the only good part of that post.

66 and 69 - Two waved questions, "should be obvious" and "you're missing the point" used to avoid answering questions

Ya. Answering with "I'm doing a reaction-test" would have been super productive

He was obviously interested in the purpose of the posts so yeah a good response would have been productive.

94 - Says his vote on RC for not using spellcheck is only 90% a joke?

I didn't vote RC for that. Not paying very much attention to how I vote as long as it isn't on you are ya? Explained the spellcheck thing in the post ya linked.

This is what I see from that post.

I think he did spell-check that one post. Bit weird RC being who he is. I'd vote on that if I didn't have better.

Not very good.

96 - This is basically the thing everyone started scumreading me for. Asks RC why he's still voting camn when it was pretty obvious RC wasn't going to explain at that point.

RC did answer in 97.

Yes with a basically joke.

I'm expressing my thoughts on the absurdity of Zulfy's post by proposing an equally absurd alternative.

98 - Implies he doesn't think unneccesary defense is scummy.

1) No it doesn't
2) why would it be scummy if I did think that?

Then what does it imply? And unnecessary defense is scummy because it's more likely to come from scum who wants to make sure they're being townread.

102 - Already dissected earlier why this was a terrible vote.

Meh. Didn't think 87 was a joke. Still not sure it was, though it does seem to be the prevailing opinion here that it was.

Look at how Zulfy has been posting all game then review.

169 - Also already dissected why this vote was bad. Also jumps on Zulfy in the same post but never follows up.

quoting the relevant bit from earlier post

Uses the excuse of "she'll push me early as scum" and her thinking page 3 reasons is scummy to vote which are both bad reasons.

Why are these bad reasons?

An early push just because she buddied you last time isn't indicative of scum. And overwrought page 3 reasons are scummy.

The "not having an avatar is scummy" part is also bad because there's no scum motivation in that push

"I want to look like I have scumreads" is a scum motivation

Yeah there were a lot better things to use to look like she had scumreads at that point.

since no one agreed with her and she was taking a ton of flak for it but kept her stance.

She didn't keep the stance. "Lets be real tho- pressure votes are pressure votes. "

She kept the no avatar is scummy stance.

213 - Asks a pointless rhetorical question to RC

RC was scumreading me, but wanting to wagon Ika. I thought it was weird so I asked why. How is this either pointless or rhetorical?

He was the first vote on your wagon, he obviously thought you were scum.

273 - Uses ika being in the game to say camn is pushing a mislynch, which is terrible reasoning.

Why?

You said camn was trying to run you up quickly so ika would hammer which is absurd since you weren't even close to L-2.

278 - Admits that basically his entire scumread on camn is based on meta and nothing else.

"The policies stated as scumreads, the surfacy reading, the exaggerated confidence, 'this is squrming'."
'this is squirming' is the only part in that that isn't scummy even without meta.
And what exactly is scummy about having a meta read?

The meta read isn't the scummy part, it's the fact it's all based on meta. As you said

Everything the same.

So you're basing it all on meta.

341 - Gives a bunch of unreasoned town reads, super fluffy

Ya. Trying to break up a TvT is clearly scum motivated
Farmer read is cause I noticed him trying to do the same thing when I first tried to post.

All you did was drop three town reads and leave. I didn't see any intention of trying to stop a TvT.

[SirCakez]

CKD I mean these questions.

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

/yawn.

ITT Cowbells keeps repeating " camn might be scum", and all other players are forgotten.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UpTooLate

Why?
Check the ISO.

What about it do you think is scummy?

It is easy to say "check the ISO" but what about it do YOU find scummy?

They're my scumpartners.

we're yolo wagoning everyone.

so no opinion then?

who here do you supposed will "read the iso"?

Anyone who is interested in finding scum?

Lets be real tho- pressure votes are pressure votes.
I gotta get back to bussing

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tictac

wait a minute, what the fuck? who is scum?

I wanted RC to share his case since everyone was sheeping that and he had (and still hasn't) given next to no reasons.

can you explain this a little further, where did you ask RC to share anything?

[SirCakez]

What's interesting about it? You're lurking out and got wagoned for it.

[SirCakez]

Ika says RC or myself is scum which makes absolutely no sense.

[SirCakez]

I've been consistently scumreading Ika for days now Camn, don't act like I just pulled the read out of nowhere.
Loki where's the stuff comparing ika and I you said was coming?

[SirCakez]

I also dislike how SRMP just popped in to vote ika and failed to comment on anything in the thread from the past two days.

[SirCakez]

Why not vote camn then?

[SirCakez]

That hammer was awful. I still wanted to hear from Loki and Tictac.

[SirCakez]

CKD I mean these questions.

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

/yawn.

ITT Cowbells keeps repeating " camn might be scum", and all other players are forgotten.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UpTooLate

Why?
Check the ISO.

What about it do you think is scummy?

It is easy to say "check the ISO" but what about it do YOU find scummy?

They're my scumpartners.

we're yolo wagoning everyone.

so no opinion then?

who here do you supposed will "read the iso"?

Anyone who is interested in finding scum?

Lets be real tho- pressure votes are pressure votes.
I gotta get back to bussing

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tictac

wait a minute, what the fuck? who is scum?

I wanted RC to share his case since everyone was sheeping that and he had (and still hasn't) given next to no reasons.

can you explain this a little further, where did you ask RC to share anything?

the first three I got answers..they were shitty ones but there was no point in following up. I got the info. I was looking for. the last one, I asked and havent posted content sense.

when someone says this is scummy, it pings the HELL out of my radar.

Person A: Question asked.
Person A leaves games
Person B: Answers question (sort of)
Person A is still too busy to check out thread.
Person B: "Look how scummy Person A is for not following up on this question"

that is a scummy attack and looks like you are just trying to find any reason to validate suspicion.

why are we not lynching this guy?

How did these questions and answers affect your reads? Nothing that came after, just the initial responses.

[SirCakez]

I also don't like how Elyse pushed this early hammer on ika. Plain Farmer and Elyse both dropping in my reads.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: tictac
Still needs rope. His jump on the ika wagon was terrible as well. He was on every major wagon day one except his own.

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

The night kill tracks back to RC I think. Acryon was one of the only people scumreading him.
P-Edit: Is that a scumslip from Farmer?

[SirCakez]

I said the hammer sucked, not the wagon. As I said I still wanted to talk to Loki and Tictac more.
And I had been scumreading ika for forever so obviously I was going to jump on the wagon. Tictac made no mention of an ika scumread at all then was the second vote on the wagon? I don't buy it.

[SirCakez]

There's no night results here Loki.

[SirCakez]

When did I attack SRMP, Elyse and Farmer?

[SirCakez]

Oh I thought camn meant today.

[SirCakez]

Yeah I stand by those posts. Especially considering ika flipped town, with the speed of that wagon I'm pretty sure at least two scum were on it.

[SirCakez]

Because the wagon went from zero to five votes in one page. That doesn't happen with only one scum vote.

Specifically looking at the people who gave little to no reason with their votes. So Tictac, UTL, SRMP.
A plain farmer at least backed up his vote but his hammer came way too early.

[SirCakez]

If I was scum and ika was a counterwagon to me, then why did Elyse, someone who was vehemently scumreading me, start that wagon?

And an acryon kill makes no sense for scum me because he was one of the few people defending me.

[SirCakez]

Also where the hell has Zulfy gone? Did he just forget about the game?

[SirCakez]

Because the wagon went from zero to five votes in one page. That doesn't happen with only one scum vote.

Specifically looking at the people who gave little to no reason with their votes. So Tictac, UTL, SRMP.
A plain farmer at least backed up his vote but his hammer came way too early.

I sheeped the hell out of that because Ika was incredibly inactive. I agree with camn. You were supposedly scumreading that slot anyway, but as soon as it flips town you start pointing fingers. Would you still be pointing fingers if we had scumread him for the same reasons as you had?



I'm going to look at the farmer now.

You supposedly were scumreading him for the same reasons, the lurking.

Elyse might be scum. I was town reading her but her recent posts are awful. Power tunneling, pushed a quick hammer on ika, immediately distanced from the ika wagon after it flipped town.

[SirCakez]

Night results thing was aimed at how Loki said he slept peacefully. On another forum we both play at, you get told if you were role blocked, slept peacefully etc and everyone typically says their high results at the start of the day. That doesn't apply here obviously but I don't think he knew.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

And not looking into the other voters on the wagon at all.

[SirCakez]

Yeah my RC town read is dead. Way too much sheeping, no pushing any reads, acryon kill makes a ton of sense from scum RC.
I'll do a new reads list soon.

[SirCakez]

New reads

Town (Lokiben, Plain Farmer, Camn)
Null (Zulfy, UTL, CKD)
Scum lean (RadiantCowbells, Elyse, SRMP)
Scum (Tictac)

[SirCakez]

What does that even mean?

[SirCakez]

You have a choice of what to do with your vote...

[SirCakez]

Why does Elyse control your vote?

[SirCakez]

SRMP give us reads.

[SirCakez]

How am I distancing from the ika wagon

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

And not looking into the other voters on the wagon at all.

Read the thread

[SirCakez]

Yeah I think my scumreads are good right now.

[SirCakez]

UTL is probably the townie of (tictac, SRMP, UTL).

[SirCakez]

Elyse, SRMP, RC scumteam maybe. Acryon kill points to all three of them. Not sure where tictac fits in there though.
P-Edit: Because you ignored my request for reads and dropped a terrible naked vote.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

And not looking into the other voters on the wagon at all.

How is this distancing

You immediately said, "my bad, I'll take a backseat, let's move on" and moved on without any investigation of the wagon at all.

[SirCakez]

I said reads, not read. You've been dropping bad votes all game so I'm trying to see if you can actually back any of them up.

[SirCakez]

Zulfy vote had terrible reasoning behind it as you made the vote based on a joke post, ika vote was naked, vote one me was naked.

[SirCakez]

Shall I claim?

[SirCakez]

I'm a VT.

[SirCakez]

I was going to have to at some point.
Why weren't you pressuring ika at all until a wagon started?

[SirCakez]

Elyse is so scummy, she's doing the same thing she did with ika.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Elyse
This needs a wagon. She's getting scared the wagon on me will dissipate and is trying to rush the hammer, just like how the hammer on ika was rushed by her.

[SirCakez]

The backtracking though.

[SirCakez]

Actually giving reasoning for stuff, more scum hunting then most of the playerlist.

[SirCakez]

That's vague.

You don't have a problem with her declaring you confirmed scum then switching votes to Ika who flipped town?
You don't have an issue with her voting you again today without elaborating at all?

You were scumreading her yesterday. When did she become a townread?

She gave a case for it unlike practically every other vote on the wagon.
When this day started and I reevaluated my reads.

[SirCakez]

Elyse's most recent post. She called for a hammer, then in her next post said she didn't expect anyone to hammer.

[SirCakez]

Elyse, SRMP, RC scumteam maybe. Acryon kill points to all three of them. Not sure where tictac fits in there though.
P-Edit: Because you ignored my request for reads and dropped a terrible naked vote.

This is making more and more sense.

[SirCakez]

The Zulfy vote, OK. You never explained why you weren't pressuring ika before the wagon though, and you haven't explained your vote on me.

[SirCakez]

That's completely false. You can pressure someone without there being a wagon.

[SirCakez]

All wagons start somewhere.

[SirCakez]

What games have we even played together other then ongoing ones and Newbie 1668? You died night one in 1668 so you could barely judge my meta from that.

[SirCakez]

All wagons start somewhere.

but all I could say is "lurking", I dont know their meta at all (or anyones for that matter)

lynching someone for lurking and nothing else wont get a wagon.

Also false. That's what ika was lynched for.

[SirCakez]

Why did you vote him then?

[SirCakez]

You waited so long to start your pressure though.

[SirCakez]

What games have we even played together other then ongoing ones and Newbie 1668? You died night one in 1668 so you could barely judge my meta from that.

I'm also partially ignoring you because you seem to just be sheeping Elyse.

[SirCakez]

Really?

[SirCakez]

Not when the scumread in question is at L-1 and the thread has been open less then a day.

[SirCakez]

I don't see what's wrong with interacting with scumreads. Especially now that I'm less certain of my Tictac scumread.

[SirCakez]

This is just going in circles now.

[SirCakez]

Yeah my RC town read is dead. Way too much sheeping, no pushing any reads, acryon kill makes a ton of sense from scum RC.
I'll do a new reads list soon.

This is why I'm scumreading RC.
Scumreading you because of a general lack of scum hunting and I still don't like your hop on the ika wagon.

[SirCakez]

Yeah I've seen scumteams wagon together off site. And that scum team just makes way too much sense to me.
And I already said I interact with scumreads, so that last part makes no sense.

[SirCakez]

Yes we went through it. I didn't like your explanation for it but the argument was going in circles, like you said, so I cut it off.

[SirCakez]

SRMP

I was going to have to at some point.
Why weren't you pressuring ika at all until a wagon started?

We've already done this dance once.

[SirCakez]

Yeah I've seen scumteams wagon together off site. And that scum team just makes way too much sense to me.
And I already said I interact with scumreads, so that last part makes no sense.

You: think X is scummy.
X: thinks Y is scummy and vote Y.
You: you then explain why Z is scummy and ask X if Y scum slipped.

If you really believed that X is scummy, why would you value anything X had to say about Y?

it doesnt make sense from someone who is supposedly town, especially in your position.

I'm not just going to ignore everything someone says judt because I'm scumreading them.

[SirCakez]

Camn why do you think Farmer is scum?
RC what are you doing?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

What happened to this?

[SirCakez]

I feel like I'm missing something big here. All I see is a CKD wagon that emerged from nowhere based on RC calling him confirmed scum.
Camn stop rolefishing.

[SirCakez]

In re: CKD.. He certainly seems more present this day. I'm not sure he is really pinging my scumdar, though... Which, despite my lies last game is actually pretty decent. So I think town on his slot

What happened to this?

[SirCakez]

I have no idea what's going on so I'm just going to let this play out.

[SirCakez]

Why would you even dig into those crumbs?
Went back and looked at the posts and I think I get it now.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ckd
Yeah that's enough for me.
I have to reevaluate my reads.

[SirCakez]

No CKD eats rope today for sure.

[SirCakez]

All of my reads feel so wrong and it's so irritating.

[SirCakez]

Hammer him.

Cakez and Zulfy are next.

Again with the hammer demand.

[SirCakez]

Why Zulfy? He's still sitting in my null reads.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ckd
Yeah that's enough for me.
I have to reevaluate my reads.

Performer I voted Curiouskarmadog in this post

RC

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ckd
Yeah that's enough for me.
I have to reevaluate my reads.

Performer I voted Curiouskarmadog in this post

RC why are waffling on lynch targets so much?

EBWOP

[SirCakez]

Who knows, ask Riot Games.

[SirCakez]

Camn why are you speculating on who might be a cop?

[SirCakez]

So you're basically scumreading him for crumbing cop?

[SirCakez]

OK that makes more sense. I was thinking something else that made no sense.
RC I'll do your reads requests in a bit.

[SirCakez]

SRMP the fact remains town has no motivation to try to fish out who masons are. Its not pro-town at all.

[SirCakez]

Camn talk about your reads on

SirCakez/tictac/ckd/a plain farmer/lokiben

Tictac- He was a scumread for me for a while but he's sitting in null now because his posts day two have improved. Better pushes, better reads, etc.

CKD - Very likely scum. The Mason fishing, his reactions afterward, the people saying this isn't his town meta at all. Happy with my vote on him right now.

Plain Farmer - Was a town read but with the stuff Tictac just posted he slipped in my reads to null. Doesn't make any sense why town would fake that meta dive.

Lokiben - Still sitting in my town reads for his interactions with Elyse and lack of scumminess but is doing very little in thread. Want to see more come out of him.

Camn - My iffiest read. Had her as scum day one, then town earlier today and now she's slipping back to scum. Really don't like the stuff with looking for who might be a cop, for example 833 at the end. As others have said she's rushing the lynch through and hard tunneling in a bad way. But I do like her earlier scumhunting and content so she's null leaning scum for me right now.

[SirCakez]

I missed RC's claim whoops. I'll buy it for now.

[SirCakez]

If the games you referenced came out of a completely different subforum then the one you said something's obviously wrong there.
And I'm pretty sure tictac was calling that a scum slip as well, he just didn't say the exact word.

[SirCakez]

Zulfy your vote sucks.

[SirCakez]

Yeah I'm townreading tictac now. His posts have vastly improved today and I really like 886.
I also like UTL's case for Camn scum, I was already iffy on her. But CKD is still scummier.

[SirCakez]

How what?

[SirCakez]

I claim 3-shot Annie.

I can go up to people at night and ask them if they've seen my bear Tibbers.

If they have, they give me tibbers and I become night immune and can kill everyone mercilessly.

This sounds OP.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

[SirCakez]

Cakez y r u so scum tho.

I don't know, it's my town playstyle that does this. It's really bizarre.

We'll make it through this, SirCakez. I think the UN is sending one of their humanitarian disaster relief teams.

We need firefighters.

[SirCakez]

Why not share the pants?

[SirCakez]

I'd lynch Camn but I still prefer a CKD lynch.

[SirCakez]

CKD is the scum role cop and gets lynched today.

VOTE: CKD

[SirCakez]

You can share cop results so we don't mislynch someone or we lynch a guilty...

[SirCakez]

Can you quote the posts of mine you believe are scum motivated? Not the shitty bad town ones.

[SirCakez]

My play has actually sucked this game but people are scumreading me for that as compared to actual scum motivstion in my posts.

And what the hell happened to CKD!scum?

[SirCakez]

Tomorrow when I'm on a computer.

[SirCakez]

Tictac RC already hard claimed Cop. So dunno why he'd be withholding results when he's outed.

[SirCakez]

Yeah if he keeps withholding info then I might start thinking the same.

[SirCakez]

OK I know that was a joke please.

[SirCakez]

RC I can do a Camn ISO but but I'm not doing two lines for every major post, that would take hours.

[SirCakez]

This game needs my flip to progress I think. I've defended myself so much and given my reads multiple times and I don't know what else to do. At least let me do final reads before the hammer.
And I know this is going to be called AtE but w/e.

[SirCakez]

Too bad I'm doing them anyway.

[SirCakez]

OK, there's 9 other people playing.

[SirCakez]

Isn't that the Rickroll song?

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

I don't even know what Ikana Valley is.
I can lynch Camn though.

[SirCakez]

Like I'm trying to lynch not!you and you are facepalming at it.
All of my what.
If you were town you should be all over this.

If I did get "all over it" people would call me opportunistic scum because of conf bias. Just look at Plain Farmer's read on me.

[SirCakez]

Huh good point
VOTE: camn
CKD still needs rope though.

[SirCakez]

It's not bussing though

[SirCakez]

It's a habit from other forums and Skype.

[SirCakez]

No I use them all the time. It's irritating because I do it subconsciously sometimes.

[SirCakez]

What about Elyse?
And that all doesn't work because I'm town

[SirCakez]

I believe that scum hard pushed Ika for the quick mislynch, planned to bus Cakez overnight, then jumped on CKD as a group to try to get another free mislynch.

Who does this sound like?

[SirCakez]

But I'm town so that doesn't apply.

[SirCakez]

You're gonna have a rough day after I flip.

[SirCakez]

That's why you should flip me sooner rather then later actually.

[SirCakez]

We are lynching inside {Camn, SirCakez, CKD} unless someone scumslips or a cop comes out with a guilty.

[SirCakez]

K.

Let's play a game.

Let's say that

{RC, Camn, Elyse, CKD, SRMP, Sircakez} are town.

Who would we lynch?

Zulfy

[SirCakez]

I don't even know anymore. This day keeps going in circles.

[SirCakez]

Zulfy is icky now.

[SirCakez]

Ayyyy nice.

[SirCakez]

The lack of final reads indicates so. At least I took it as a scum claim.

[SirCakez]

Zulfy probably town then. Doubt he'd lolhammer his buddy like that.
SRMP was super awkward getting off the wagon like that. Want to go there tomorrow.
Also Plain Farmer is super shifty for 992.

[SirCakez]

CKD is likely just a VI now too since Camn was a wagon leader there.