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In post 262, davesaz wrote:In post 260, toolenduso wrote:To get this out of the way: my phrasing in my ISO read on dave wasn't the greatest. I said he was trying to make people look scummy -- more like "hint that people might be scum in order to undermine townreads."
I think you're missing the point of what I'm doing.
A calls B town for no reason or a bad reason.
I point out to A that their reasoning is bad.
This does not mean I think B isn't town, nor does it mean I'm trying to convince A that B isn't town.
I'm pointing out that A might be scum because they're using bad reasoning to townread B. And trying to do it in a way that engages A to explain further, so I can sort A.
Now, go back through that again and see if you understand...
This is a good post. Dave going down on the "hope he's dead" meter.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 299, hawkleader3 wrote:VOTE: TheCow
Until he explains the vote on Tool. He has been asked to explain his vote twice and has ignored this question once.
I was going to say this was a shitty vote, but then I reconsidered. I have the following thoughts:
1) Hawk is currently the most voted player. Natural inclination of both town and scum here is to try to find things that could be scummy in that position.
2) There is literally nothing going down right now. The game is a circle jerk at this point with a bunch of people very actively doing nothing. I actually kind of like this post as I think its a decent attempt to actually put some real discussion in the game.
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In post 355, Chaotic Neutrality wrote:Scummy reasoning and such but yeah.
My lynch is inevitable at this point so idc
I hate posts like this.
I was pretty strongly reading town here up until this post.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 445, iraonavp wrote:In post 442, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 440, iraonavp wrote:In post 437, davesaz wrote:Can you give some details on the Syndesis read?
They... seem town-aligned? Their posts are genuine and train-of-thought, s that what you want to hear? I am not good at town-aligned reads. Let's say it is a "gut read", if that makes it easier.
This sounds like you have no true scum reads at all?
I don't understand where you're getting this from. I read Metrion, FA_Q2, TheCow and you as scum-aligned to various degrees. The deadline is forcing a compromise lynch.
How is this a compromise lynch? You want to lynch me and I am one of the leading wagons.
A compromise lynch because Metrion would be my first pick for today's lynch.
Wait. Where the actual fuck did this just come from? I could be wrong here, but I don't think I remember this ever being said before. Now, at deadline suddenly the top lynch choice is a lurker who is not one of the 2 main wagons who I don't recall you making a case on before?
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D1 end. Nice job town!
That makes my previous post all the more important. Throwing a wrench into the lynch equation when a scummy is on the chopping block makes trying to derail a buddy a real possibility. Especially because the post literally made me do a double take.
at hawkeyes fake claim as town.
I fucking hate that. Even if it worked this time.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 477, toolenduso wrote:Agreed, synd. But there are other possibilities, including multiball and SK. Multiball would have to be werewolves since Chaotic's mafia faction was just called "mafia" and not "___ mafia."
Anyway....here's the wagon analysis I did during the night. It's based on Chaotic's faction being the only anti-town faction in the game, so very subject to change should anything come to light that suggests otherwise. Removed sword and hawk because they flipped:
Spoiler: Chaotic Neutrality wagon
Spoiler: FA_Q2 wagon
Spoiler: Chaotic's interactions
Reads list
Town:
-FA
-dave
Null-town:
-moosy
-synd
-thecow
Null:
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Null-scum:
-lolbabe
-soap
-ira
Scum:
-metrion
VOTE: metrion
I'm mostly interested in the beginning of this post. Namely, I find that the first person to bring up something like multiball very often has a reason to believe the setup might be multiball.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I missed that in my skim but went back and you're right. I still don't like the push, and actually reading the early posts I like it even less. Especially considering the fact that he said a large part of his reasoning for why he thought met was scum was because he thought it was trying to distract from the hawk wagon, a wagon that we now know was town, which didn't seem to deter him at all.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 849, Syndesis wrote:In post 828, Thestatusquo wrote:Soap is town.
Why?
In post 830, Thestatusquo wrote:iraonavp likely scum.
Why
I assume the defense of CN?
In post 832, Thestatusquo wrote:page 14. FA is still scum!
Whyyyyy
Mostly these are gut reads.
I will delve a little more into FA though.
The reason I think they're scum is because they are giving the appearance of contributing to the game without actually contributing to the game. In addition to that, they don't seem to give too much of a care about who gets lynched. Oh sure, they might say they do, but to me it seems like they're more concerned with getting A lynch rather than the correct one.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 857, iraonavp wrote:In post 839, Thestatusquo wrote:Page 20. Has lolbabe taken a strong stance on literally anything this entire game?
What do you think of this slot (lolbabe was replaced by Raskolnikov)? This is the only mention I see of lolbabe / Raskolnikov, and you haven't included them in your list of scum-aligned reads.
I lean scum, but its hard to get a good handle on the slot.
I'm not a huge fan of lurker hunting (and think scum is more often found in those doing the hunting, such as yourself) but lolbabe was just on the line between lurking and trying to feel like they're not lurking. In addition, the posts they did have seemed averse to stating opinions and making waves. Most of the posts were entirely related to asking for small points of clarification on other peoples posts.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 856, iraonavp wrote:In post 844, Thestatusquo wrote:All caught up.
vote: iraonavp
Reasoning is in 836 and 837.
DIE SUCK DIE DIE DIE SUCK DIE SCUM SUCK DIE
Anything else? We have a lot more than just d1 to work with here.
I don't really do cases, but I will say there is indeed more reason to the vote than just that.
The main one is, and I know this is hard for you to defend against so I'm sorry for that, that your posts just feel... off. To me. They feel like they're not invested in scum hunting. When I read most of your posts they don't seem too focused on finding scum.
Shrug. It's a feel thing. I don't expect anyone else to vote based on it, and I don't really have interest in getting into a big discussion about it because you're not going to change my mind, but that's the main reason.
There are bits and pieces of more concrete stuff, like the met stuff and the thing you quoted too, but I don't have enough to be compelling to other people other than saying "read his iso. does he look like he's trying to find the bad guys?"tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 855, iraonavp wrote:In post 837, Thestatusquo wrote:D1 end. Nice job town!
That makes my previous post all the more important. Throwing a wrench into the lynch equation when a scummy is on the chopping block makes trying to derail a buddy a real possibility. Especially because the post literally made me do a double take.
at hawkeyes fake claim as town.
I fucking hate that. Even if it worked this time.
I mean maybe you have a point about the counterwagon thing, this has been discussed at length, but note that FA_Q2 was the counterwagon not Metrion. I'm not convinced from your blind notes of d1 that you would've voted CN over FA_Q2 here either.
I almost certainly would not have been voting cn. But I did detail when my attitude shifted on CN and when I would have been willing to include CN in my "list of people willing to vote for" in post 834.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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No strong read on dave atm.
I would have been pushing the hell out of him d1 but he's kind of fallen off my radar. Would be willing to look deeper if someone would point me in a direction they think merits investigation.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 871, davesaz wrote:In post 869, MoosyDoosy wrote:@Thestatusquo, what do you think of dave's mechanical posting in general? Town or scum?
What do you mean by mechanical? Do you perhaps mean logical?
Why do you feel the need to respond to a question that is not directed at you?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 873, davesaz wrote:I feel the need to respond to a mischaracterization of my posting.
How could it be a mischaracterization if, by your own admission, you don't even know what he meant by it?
And why was correcting this phantom mischaracterization more important to you than hearing my answer to the question?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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How do you think this is helpful?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 902, Soapbar wrote:
I don't think Scum would fervently defend their partner especially while they were pretty much certain to be the lynch for that day, plus a lot of his posts do come off (to me at least) as pretty genuine.
and the vote?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 914, iraonavp wrote:In post 872, Thestatusquo wrote:In post 871, davesaz wrote:In post 869, MoosyDoosy wrote:@Thestatusquo, what do you think of dave's mechanical posting in general? Town or scum?
What do you mean by mechanical? Do you perhaps mean logical?
Why do you feel the need to respond to a question that is not directed at you?
I agree with this to some extent, I don't really mind people butting in on questions but the way he did it sucked. Obviously davesaz doesn't believe that Moosy actually meant "logical", this seems uncharacteristically snarky for davesaz and I don't like it at all.
I did however dislike how Thestatusquo ended up having danced around the question that Moosy originally asked. I thought it was a good question since Thestatusquo claims not to have a strong read on davesaz.
I really like this post.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 922, FA_Q2 wrote:Well, go ahead and lynch me then. Clearly town does not give a fuck anymore.
Ras is scummy as hell. TSQ really is not any better. Your read on me is shit. Soaps last actions was scummy as well and he has not done much for town this game at all.
I think a likely pair is Ras TSQ - Ras has been feeling me out as a possible lynch for awhile now and I think it has to do with seeing how much traction they can get. I can concive both scum playing together at this point because it would be devistating to lose a second scum partner at this stage to many town players to be down to a single scum.
In post 834, Thestatusquo wrote:In post 355, Chaotic Neutrality wrote:Scummy reasoning and such but yeah.
My lynch is inevitable at this point so idc
I hate posts like this.
I was pretty strongly reading town here up until this post.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 935, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 933, Syndesis wrote:Looking at FA's 922, itisreminiscent of frustrated town. (I said this about CN too, so take that with a grain of salt. ) However...I'm not sure what it is about it that's bothering me, butsomethingis. Could just be tonal, though.
Caught for all the wrong reasons.
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In post 1035, RadiantCowbells wrote:Then fucking don't.
Sheep your current reads onto the Davesaz wagon. Or whatever.
See what it flips.
Don't expect me to do all your heavy lifting for you.
I can replace into a game and carry, fine. but not if town is going to fight me every step of the way.
I'm not arguing with you lot. I have my scum picks, you lynch who you will. Your votes are outside of my jurisdiction.
What in the actual fresh fuck is wrong with you, you little unpleasant piece of shit.
I have been providing most of the reads most of the content and have been actively trying to figure out this game since I replaced in, you come in here, 3 days before deadline, proclaim someone scum and then refuse to fucking explain why. Refuse to give any other reads. Refuse to give any fucking context and then when people question you on that utter bullshit of a way to play mafia you say people are expecting you to fucking lead them to the promised land?
No, fuck you Mr. My-shit-smells-like-roses. I asked you for a list of people you'd be ready to compromise on, because, in case you haven't noticed in your little hero complex fantasy world that you're living in that is inhabited only by fucking you and your ego, there is a fucking day until deadline. So post the fucking list of people you would be willing to lynch and try to be a little bit less of an annoying piece of shit about it, k?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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lol
"one vote on my scum buddy herp derp better fake a flip out because that amazing rc is ON TO US."
Seriously, how does your fucking brain even work?
Also, my meta is fucking clear. Go read it yourself.
Oh wait, actually never mind. Asking you to do any fucking work at all is "asking you to carry the town"
and "be our savior"tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I was blindly angry at you and still am. I would happily see you die independent of your alignment.
But rak is in my list of top 3, he is at l-2, and we are right against deadline.
Perhaps you don't know how mafia works but that's a pretty good time to vote someone.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 1078, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm pretty sure I voted him before you had your idea!
So are you going to claim or what?
Still intent to hammer you when RC gets done toying with you and puts his vote back on.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I've literally said intent to hammer to get a claim when I had the opportunity to hammer already.
What the fuck are you smoking.
Also, you couldn't get me lynched if you tried, bruv.
I've only been lynched as town once in 10 years. You're not high caliber enough.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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