Mini 1785: Game Over!

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: bananacucho

i mean what is that name???

[Mr Meeseeks]

Don't think I recognize any of you apart from RC

i know even fewer people! so y'know

[Mr Meeseeks]

I don't understand why Kush is particularly excited about playing with Jake again

unsure if comment or insult

[Mr Meeseeks]

I wouldn't be surprised if both are scum here.

this seems like a bold and rash assertion

and i don't like rashes

[Mr Meeseeks]

Well I don't like you either so we're good.

[Mr Meeseeks]

I have trouble believing that scum!Jake with Kush draws attention to my post by voting me after it.

[Mr Meeseeks]

ok?

I really hope you're scum.

which is, of course, why youre votin- waiiiitttt

[Mr Meeseeks]

No because if your posts so far are any indication, you seem like you are going to do nothing for town.

because you have pretty solved the game already i can see

@Mr Meeseeks: I vote for people I think are scum, not people I hope are scum. Do you do differently?

i didnt come here to argue words, those are basically the same thing and dont use word trickery to slip out of any accusations

VOTE: acryon

[Mr Meeseeks]

Do you not see a huge difference between the two? "Wow this player doesnt seem to be very helpful. Hope they aren't on the town side." is not even close to saying that I think someone is scum.

so you say not being helpful is a thing that you expect scum to do

and you think hes not being helpful

but you dont think hes scum you just hope hes scum because scum arent helpful and hes not being helpful

do you see where it doesnt quite add up for me

[Mr Meeseeks]

I didn't even say I had an issue with it. I was just asking you if that's what it was.

OMB

...oh my bod?

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: Acryon

We've never played together where I've been scum?

I actually just verified this to be true.

as in

acryon has never played with scum radiantcowbells?

[Mr Meeseeks]

Do you not see a huge difference between the two? "Wow this player doesnt seem to be very helpful. Hope they aren't on the town side." is not even close to saying that I think someone is scum.

so you say not being helpful is a thing that you expect scum to do

and you think hes not being helpful

but you dont think hes scum you just hope hes scum because scum arent helpful and hes not being helpful

do you see where it doesnt quite add up for me

No. I expect unhelpful people to be unhelpful, which has nothing to do with alignment. Given the nature of the game, I would prefer for these unhelpful people to be scum as oppose to town.

...riiiiiiiggghhhhhtttt..? ill accept this if only because it makes no sense so who cares

and, after commenting on his uselessness and explicitly wanting him to be scum

youve made fuckall of an effort to figure out his alignment to help quell your fears

correct?

[Mr Meeseeks]

"relating" to a player and talking to them by acting like you have experience of something you pretty obviously dont

because thats not buddying or anything

id vote acryon if it werent for the fact i already am voting

[Mr Meeseeks]

Ok now I definitely hope you are scum. Unhelpful and unable to comprehend a simple statement.

ive put more of an effort into this game than you so far, get off your fucking high horse and stop being condescending because your join date is better than mine

[Mr Meeseeks]

like seriously you made a vague statement that looked like you basically said the same thing i said you were doing

and yet you treat me like a moron for interpreting it "wrong"

[Mr Meeseeks]

Ok now I definitely hope you are scum. Unhelpful and unable to comprehend a simple statement.

ive put more of an effort into this game than you so far, get off your fucking high horse and stop being condescending because your join date is better than mine

Has nothing to do with that. It has to do with you not being able to understand an idea and then painting me negatively because you can't get it.

notice the bit where i said "ill accept this" and then pointed out an entirely unrelated problem

congrats on your reading skills

[Mr Meeseeks]

I like Meeseeks but I have a question. Are you a true n00b or you an alt?

neither i am above your titles

[Mr Meeseeks]

so an alt. gotcha

i have no idea what you mean what is an "alt"

notice the bit where i said "ill accept this" and then pointed out an entirely unrelated problem

congrats on your reading skills

Except you voted me based on your misunderstanding. But I'd rather not clog the thread with this. Taking a break for a bit to let other people post.

and my vote is now based on the other thing! reason change, vote stays

VOTE: nnn_thekushmountains

omgus?

Anything worth reading in the last four pages?

no, don't bother

ew

VOTE: Lapsa
Just skimmed will give a proper read latter but

Because this slot always reads me as scum when I am town and it always best to get rid of hindrances.

so you "just skimmed" yet you managed to miss that we were pretty obviously out of rvs

hmm

I'm not explaining why I voted someone when I clearly explained why I vote them though.

okay... let's try looking for it once again

We've never played together where I've been scum?

this one's the only viable candidate to be "an explanation" for your vote

who are you talking about, who's "we"?

nope... seems like an answer to low-energy-excuse ancient dude:

hey RC - I just realized that we have played like 6 games together and you have only been scum twice. man those 2 games must have really done a number on me lol

you are lying, RC. there is no explanation for your acryon vote on #53

"look at me i didnt read the game but im trying to hide this fact"

also

questioning someone voting acryon

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

connection? will note this down in my imaginary notebook (read: probably forget about)

No seriously.

I want this hammered by the time I get back this evening.

are you being a rash again because youre making my skin itch

[Mr Meeseeks]

oh dear im making walls help me

[Mr Meeseeks]

i dont see why it is any worse than any other jump on you

[Mr Meeseeks]

so your problem wish his jump was that it was... too justified? the fuck

[Mr Meeseeks]

i mean

he did have a good reason

he saw someone elses post saying why you were scum, agreed with it, said that he agreed with it and then voted you

thats hardly a terrible thing

[Mr Meeseeks]

if hed tried to pass the reasoning off as his own, id be with you

but he didnt

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: Kush

That feels really fake.

This ^

vote thekushmountains

To both of you: in your experience, are scum trying that blatantly hard to look town as far as saying "excited to be town"?

Uh, fuck yeah?
I don't understand why Kush is particularly excited about playing with Jake again either and it feels insincere.
I wouldn't be surprised if both are scum here.

Can you point me to a game where scum said something like this?

Feels like fake scumhunting

VOTE: acryon

@Mr Meeseeks: I vote for people I think are scum, not people I hope are scum. Do you do differently?

So scummy. Obviously the reason you're saying u hope he's scum is cause ur accusing him of being scummy.

Then trying to then throw shade on Meesecks for asking a natural question about it.

jarjar makes good points.
VOTE: acyron
The reason why I was excited it because it was scum last game and I do not like being scum.

big whoop

[Mr Meeseeks]

like are players not allowed to agree with the reasons of other players or what

what he has done does not appear to go anything beyond agreeing with someone elses reason and then voting on it

and if that is a scumtell then, well, thats fucking stupid

[Mr Meeseeks]

to put it politely

[Mr Meeseeks]

im sorry its hard to work out what player is being talked about when they exclusively fucking referred to as whathisname

i mean, he said right in that post that he voted because he agreed with jarjardinks points so idk what youre saying

im not saying it was an amazing unrivalled vote, im saying he voted because he agreed with someone elses point as kush has said many times, and acting like that is inherently a bad thing is just silly

[Mr Meeseeks]

Mr meeks I knew we were probably out of rvs but at like 3-5 in the morning people tend not to give a shit.

i was

totally

aware of this at the time and it clearly incredibly scummy for me to not know that

I see you have no actual complaint we me voting lapsa itself so it comes off as you just throwing shit to see what sticks hell this entire post is like that.

the entire post... riiiiiiiigggghhhhhht. this comment comes off as just making a random accusation at someone without really thinking.

Side note aycron comes off as town to me.

if you could give a reason that would be cool because i have no idea where you got a townread on him from. i could believe a null read. not a town one.

VOTE: Fire Assassin

This is scum.

is radiantcowbells always like this, saying one person is definitely scum then going "nah actually its this person lol"

Fire = girl on fire = you killed that girl with those wasps you horrible person.

have you heard the tale of the scorpion and the frog.

A scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, they would both drown. Considering this, the frog agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When the frog asks the scorpion why, the scorpion replies that it was in its nature to do so.

what the flying fuck are you on about

used to think you are good at this game

used to think you are good at this game

Never thought you were.

alright if you could stop arguing how bad the other player is and instead prove that you yourselves are competent players that'd be great!

[Mr Meeseeks]

is rather defensive

hey i have a little song for you

it goes like this

"defensiveness, isnt a scumtell
defensiveness, isnt a scumtell
town want to avoid being lynched too
so defensiveness is NOT A SCUMTELL"

rest of post is good, actually explaining a problem rather than just blankly saying "totes scummy and smearing and shit not gonna explain why though hahaha" but yeah

honestly, this entire garmr lapsa interaction is incredibly convoluted, i cant even make sense what they are arguing about.

ditto, im basically ignoring it at this point as it borders on fluff

p a g e t o p b o y s

my favourite pagetops are the ones on the second post down well done radiantcowbells you have defied the traditional definition and evolved into something better

[Mr Meeseeks]

Yeah sure, town doesnt want to be lynched either, but that shouldn't be a high priority at all. IF it is then ur mafia'ing wrong.

if no town players got lynched, by definition only scum players would get lynched and town would win

saying that being defensive is either scum or bad town is a hilarious vague and wide statement which, as with all vague and wide statements, is wronggggg

defensiveness isnt a scumtell alone

defensiveness with no attempt to ever find scum ever? like only popping in thread to defend from an attack? that is scummy

just defending yourself against a very weak attack is objectively townie

in fact, you can get reads from how they react to your defence! shocker!

[Mr Meeseeks]

That post you quoted was kind of scummish though, Garmr. (Post 202)

reasons would be cool because that is totally one of my townier posts, definitely more towny than some of my others

[Mr Meeseeks]

Yes defensiveness isn't a scum tell on it's own butt he way your being defensive is. Trying to smear another image and shut down all of their opinions in defense is a scum tell.

if you do a shit attack, im gonna complain and point it out as scummy, because often scums attacks is that they decide someone should be painted as scum and then come up with reasons after, so it looks dodgy. town play the other way. if reasons look questionable and more like trying to fit square pegs into a round hole? then i qeustion

Also I am aware that lapsa is intentionally doing so let me simplify it for you his purposely attacking a point that is null to fill pages, in the end his points are worthless and it makes him appear as if he is doing something when he isn't. Also I think that fire is probably town due to lapsa reaction to me and him.

I don't like the way you word it in a way that it reads "that it is just fluff so it's better to just ignore it it." If town would start ignoring lapsa because of this it would be stupid as they would of just fell into lapsa hands. Scum want to be ignored or town read by the majority either way is fine as long as they aren't on the chopping block.

but arguing about something i have no clue about (you/fire assassins interactions) is something i, to put it nicely, couldnt care less about, so its all fluff to me. hell, maybe one of you have a point. still dont care, lost interest in that once you started making bizarre metaphors about scorpions and frogs

[Mr Meeseeks]

and the fact that i have pretty obviously made an effort to find scum and sort players entirely nullifies that point

congrats

[Mr Meeseeks]

[Mr Meeseeks]

leaning on acryon scum and not a huge lapsa fan, i believe that garmr is probably town but just struggling a little, and that the kush wagon is largely mislead

3/4 of those could be seen by looking at my iso

so good job asking a useless question in an attempt to look useful

im gonna look more closely at you though as the game unfolds

[Mr Meeseeks]

and the fact that i have pretty obviously made an effort to find scum and sort players entirely nullifies that point

congrats

Maybe you are misreading what I said. The "you" is just in general, not toward you. I don't think you were doing what I mentioned.

sorry, all the others were referring to me specifically as far as i could tell (or at the very least it started out in reference to me) so i assumed you were talking about me too

[Mr Meeseeks]

lapsa is my only other real thing that could clarify as a "scumread" at this moment in time

not sure if i like how radiantcowbells is doing shit but i think thats more of a playstyle thing rather than an actual scum thing

[Mr Meeseeks]

i dont think that anything he has done at this point is clearly scummy. like, sure hes done some slightly stupid and dim things. but the main points against him i disagree with - see particularly the accusations of him arguing with little reasons etc etc that i disagreed with

i havent seen a convincing case on him beyond "oooh i dont really like this one thing that could be a town mistake i guess but ehh its an easy vote", and definitely no justification for a wagon as big as it is now so soon in the game. it looks like people voting for convenience and going with the crowd as much as anything else, although idk if crowding is really a scum thing or a mislead town thing, but id definitely guess at one scum on there

[Mr Meeseeks]

until recently he didnt even have the lowest post number, and even now hes only joint lowest, joint with i am innocent

so i cant help but feel that post numbers arent hugely relevant right now

[Mr Meeseeks]

i dont think that anything he has done at this point is clearly scummy. like, sure hes done some slightly stupid and dim things. but the main points against him i disagree with - see particularly the accusations of him arguing with little reasons etc etc that i disagreed with

i havent seen a convincing case on him beyond "oooh i dont really like this one thing that could be a town mistake i guess but ehh its an easy vote", and definitely no justification for a wagon as big as it is now so soon in the game. it looks like people voting for convenience and going with the crowd as much as anything else, although idk if crowding is really a scum thing or a mislead town thing, but id definitely guess at one scum on there

then vote fucking Lapsa who is actually scum.

its almost like i dont already have a vote on someone else who i think is scum

That post you quoted was kind of scummish though, Garmr. (Post 202)

reasons would be cool because that is totally one of my townier posts, definitely more towny than some of my others

Person calling one of their posts "The towniest post I have ever done" is suspicious.

holllyyyyyyy crap that is not even close to what i said! that is blatantly lying seriously wtf

Kush wagon is strange on analysis. He has 3 posts, none of which are a huge slip and people are just starting the wagon on him in his abscence.

I bet when he rocks up to defend himself the wagonners would have called beatlejuice.

I am v/la on weekends.

Hi Jake from State Farm. Excited to be town with you this time.

Calls jake town in the first post of the game?!?! Masons aside, which would probably be conveyed during pregame anyway, kush should not know this unless he's scum and jake isn't a partner. If that isn't a huge slip I don't know what is.

Add to the fact he is lurking this out rather than confronting this, easily hopped on a wagon on acronym that was gaining steam, only to unvote 'whatshisname'

Whole play has been shady from the get go.

So why are you trying to diffuse it?

"town with you" =/= "both town"
"town with you" = "im town and playing with you"
use basic damn reading skills because im getting more and more interested in voting you as every post goes on, you accuse a player of "lurking out" when you have literally a single more post then them and i could just as easily accuse you of lurking out to wait for their wagon to build, and it wouldnt take much effort to find more scummy things in your

four

existing posts that existed at the time of this
the more i read your kush posts, the more they feel like trying to find any excuse to scumread a player rather than actually scumreading them, you can go up and be my third place scumread now, after Lapsa and acryon

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb **** to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

Oh and for the record kush has been trying to defend himself/do damage control.

Consider me unimpressed.

defending yourself is not a scumtell
defending yourself is not a scumtell

leaning on acryon scum and not a huge lapsa fan, i believe that garmr is probably town but just struggling a little, and that the kush wagon is largely mislead

3/4 of those could be seen by looking at my iso

so good job asking a useless question in an attempt to look useful

im gonna look more closely at you though as the game unfolds

In Disney world with my family right now so screw you. Clouds opened up tonight and just poured on us, so yeah I'm pretty grumpy and don't care for ur mudslinging about my "attempt to look useful." Ur defense of kush is noted, and most those other reads I'm not impressed with either. So when kush flips scum guess who I'm coming after next. U want to go 1 vs 1 with me, I'll eat u alive dude...

wow i think someone's town who you think is scum gosh im so scared of your threat. and i will "mudsling" your pathetic attempt to look useful. first of all, since when was saying that i found something scummy mudslinging? sounds like youre trying to discredit my scumread using buzzwords. secondly, it was damn well worth scumreading because it is the most pitiful question ive ever seen because im pretty sure being in disney world doesnt affect your ability to click on a link to my iso and read

VOTE: Kush

In case that's not accepted.

oh good l-1 less than 48 hours into the first day that cannot possibly go wrong

VOTE: Lapsa

Kush is scum, I get that, but like
you can't not lynch this.

VOTE: lapsa

what has rc said this time that has convinced you over all the other times?

VOTE: lapsa

anything to get rid of that awful kush wagon

[Mr Meeseeks]

Rc didn't say anything to convince me because I was already scum reading lapsa and I thought I was voting him already whcih is why I told the mod he was wrong even through he was right.

okay, forgot about that

wow you are being dickish.
This is relevant to the game because it determines if you are scum pretending to not understand or you actually understand.
Not picking on something you do every game no matter the alignment.

Thor was scum

because scum always lie, right, so anything scum says anything in one game cant possible be true? scum try to use the truth as much as possible, for obvious reasons. they like to push things that could be interpreted as scummy, etc.

and this is relevant how?

you and RC behave similarly

what has that got to do with the thor link???? wtf???????

and no, i won't tell them to you. so you would know how it feels

oh great now youre being petty how wonderful

If it's Kush/Lapsa I think Acryon would be a good bet for the third.

Well your good bets are wrong a lot of the time in my experience. Although I do think you're right on the first two.

I haven't paid much attention to kush since his at l-1 I should do that and btw I am voting lapsa now.

Why have you not paid attention to the leading wagon? Pretty important for you to speak up if you have a real issue with it.

Yesterday I was super busy. Glad to see the activity settled down.
I'll be reading everything today.

As for my defense\damage control, I guess that's an accurate way to describe it. I was trying to be honest with you guys on describing my motivations behind those posts.

This actually feels town.

I'm slightly nervous about how quickly any wagon grows, but I don't know that I've seen someone that appears more obvscum than Lapsa.

VOTE: Lapsa

maybe i was wrong about you

[Mr Meeseeks]

No I was not saying he is scum because he is lying, I was saying that he was wrong to spite him. He probably remembered it wrong and not lied, but the fact is he was trying to push that as scummy and/or to take away my credibility from my case on him. That has no town intent at all.

that comment wasn't at you

it was at lapsa, who seemed to bring up thor's post and thor being scum as a justification for something or other not being true

[Mr Meeseeks]

disagree and voting Lapsa for that is stupid.

Lapsa case is garbage. bad lynch.

jar jar drinks you have just taken spot on my scum reads list congrats.

I'm sure after he flips green you'll say "OMG, JJD must be scum cause he knew Lapsa was town". No, it's cause the case against him is garbage.

oh look

its the good old "repeat the same bullshit with no justification in the hope that someone changes their mind"

give me a case as to why lapsa is town and why someone else is scum and maybe ill believe you

doing what youre doing helps noone and wastes time, and also gives off the impression that youre pretending to help without actually doing jack shit

[Mr Meeseeks]

quite bizarre that he disappeared after my post when it was only 3 minutes after his

[Mr Meeseeks]

I'm sure after he flips green you'll say "OMG, JJD must be scum cause he knew Lapsa was town". No, it's cause the case against him is garbage.

this comment nullifies all attempts to say "he doesnt townread lapsa"

[Mr Meeseeks]

like that is jjd explicitly saying he townreads lapsa

[Mr Meeseeks]

so jjd so far i asked you to give a reason why lapsa is town and why someone else is scum

so far youve gone lapsa is town "because counterwagon to scum" and "some points on him are bad"

youve said that kush is scum but haven't told me why

1/10

[Mr Meeseeks]

- It's hard to scumhunt when you're being attacked all game. Especially for shitty reasons.

also this is bullshit

its piss-easy to scumhunt while youre being attacked

you dont have to dedicate all of your efforts to defend yourself

the other ones i can see to an extent. this reads like jjd has decided that he needs to read someone as town and is coming up with reasons for them to be town, rather than reading them as town because of those reasons

[Mr Meeseeks]

Explain this comment because I don't understand it at all.

^ @everyone RC is faking ESL to ignore me

omg

can i nom this for kodak when the game is over

this is either trolling or an extreme lack of self-awareness and either way its fucking hilarious

[Mr Meeseeks]

I townread Lapsa I think

...


why
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Mr Meeseeks]

that was intended as a question btw not just being sarcastic and irritated

[Mr Meeseeks]

- Calling Jake town

Hi Jake from State Farm. Excited to be town with you this time.

His explaination was basically that he worded it poorly. But really, what other explianation could he give?

And like, that wasn't even how he responded untill people starting getting on him about it. His first response was trying to sweep it under the rug and pretending that people were getting on him about saying he was excited.

The reason why I was excited it because it was scum last game and I do not like being scum.

Total misdirection.

as have stated before, disagree with this hugely. if anything, i know for a fact that scum are incredibly careful with their words and would very intentionally avoid something like that in case it was seen as a flip!

any attempt to push this as scummy comes off as unabashed, shameless opportunism to me. like seriously, this is pathetic.

- Sheeping me.

jarjar makes good points.
VOTE: acyron

Nothing too scummy @ first I thought cause I obviously think the points I made were good. But then he makes this post after people start telling him his sheep vote looked shitty

haha yeah... voted for whatshisname without actualyl reading anythign he wrote. But jarjardrinks points against him looked pretty good.

But whathisname defense looked pretty good as well. In fact it made jarjar look kind of bad for the misrepresentation.
So I'll UNVOTE: whathisname.

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb shit to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

So much wrong with it: First off, no clue about calling acryon whathisname. Pretty sure he hasn't explained that yet.

Then he says he voted for Acryon because of my points w/o actually reading anything he wrote. BUT I QUOTED ACRYON IN THE POSTS I MADE ABOUT HIM. Did he literally just read the bottom portion of my posts and skip what I quoted?

Then he tries to throw shade on me saying I misrepresented. Total nonsense and clearly designed to make ME look bad instead of him.

Then he tries to say he "just did some dumb shit to be invovled". I don't get that at all.

ive already said that sheeping isnt a scumtell because common fucking sense

- This post looks LAMIST

I'd rather not decide who I want to put my vote on until I catch up.

No need to tell the town that.

that is not lamist. like, at all.

lamist is "look guys at this town thing im definitely doing". stuff like "im townreading him even though hes scumreading me.

merely describing something that hes doing is perfectly fine. hell, if he hadnt said this, hed probably be asked about his vote anyway

- His defense for not voting me when he accused me of misrepresenting:

Not voting jarjar: I had just put my vote on acyron without fully reading everything. I regretted it and didn't want to do it again. My suspicion was more of an FOS than vote-worthy.
What ever happened to FOS btw?

OK, so what ever happened to this? Has he still not fully read anything cause he didn't follow up at all. IS he gonna vote for me? Is he not scumreading me anymore?

wait a sec

IS he gonna vote for me?

*looks closer*

IS he gonna vote for me?

*looks even closer*

IS he gonna vote for me?

so you just argued that it was unnecessary for him to mention about him not voting yet

and then you ask about him not having voted anyone yet in an accusational way

you are shitting me right???????

i want to vote jjd but part of me thinks that if hes putting his neck this far out on the line to protect lapsa there must be a juicy pr in that direction

[Mr Meeseeks]

wait who the fuck is autti

[Mr Meeseeks]

oh good i didnt forget they existed

i just knew them by their avatar rather than their name

panic over

[Mr Meeseeks]

in case it was seen as a flip

slip, not flip

[Mr Meeseeks]

- Sheeping me.

jarjar makes good points.
VOTE: acyron

Nothing too scummy @ first I thought cause I obviously think the points I made were good. But then he makes this post after people start telling him his sheep vote looked shitty

haha yeah... voted for whatshisname without actualyl reading anythign he wrote. But jarjardrinks points against him looked pretty good.

But whathisname defense looked pretty good as well. In fact it made jarjar look kind of bad for the misrepresentation.
So I'll UNVOTE: whathisname.

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb shit to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

So much wrong with it: First off, no clue about calling acryon whathisname. Pretty sure he hasn't explained that yet.

Then he says he voted for Acryon because of my points w/o actually reading anything he wrote. BUT I QUOTED ACRYON IN THE POSTS I MADE ABOUT HIM.

Did he literally just read the bottom portion of my posts and skip what I quoted?

Then he tries to throw shade on me saying I misrepresented. Total nonsense and clearly designed to make ME look bad instead of him.

Then he tries to say he "just did some dumb shit to be invovled". I don't get that at all.

ive already said that sheeping isnt a scumtell because common fucking sense

Did you even read what you quoted????? The very first thing I said was the actual sheeping wasn't scummy. Then I made a whole bunch of points that you completely ignored.

okay lets take this apart a bit further then

mostly the bold

ill be honest, i do that sometimes. i dont see how its unreasonable or scummy to do that.

and since your entire case seems to be based on him having read those quotes, i dont see how he sheeped bad. he read your post and skimmed over the quotes because its stuff hed already read (that is literally what quotes are, after all), thought it was good and voted, someone did a defence which he saw as not only defending your points but actually making your points look like theyd misrepresented you, and then unvoted to reconsider

what part of

that

is unreasonable

[Mr Meeseeks]

also i adore the fact that you picked apart a single bit of my post because it was easier to attack than the rest, while ignoring the rest, and acted like by doing that you had defeated my entire post

common tactic. not fooling me.

lapsa/jarjar/??? scumteam right now

??? could be i am innocent, maybe acryon although hes slipping down my scumlist as he consistenly makes non-scummy posts. but probably have to go with associatives for that

[Mr Meeseeks]

The point is kush wants town points for playing differently than his last scum game while I'm merely pointing out that is exactly what I'd expect scum kush to do.

as a general rule i find self-meta to be null, both alignments use it, but the fact that they are aware of their meta nullifies the tell itself

scum do use it to their advantage, sure, but town can also point out their meta to try and get them townread. at the very least, the fact that he just pointed to jake to remember a game rather than broadcasting the game to every to read it makes me lean on the town side

both town and scum use meta of themselves because meta can be both reliable and manipulated, ergo it makes a reliable tool to defend yourself regardless of alignment, therefore using it is very much null

[Mr Meeseeks]

omg Kush could scum-claim right now and Mr Meeks would be all "not alignment indicative". Of course self meta-ing is scummy. Especially when completely unprompted like that.

- Scum tries to act town
- People still read him as scum
- Scum is all "WTF yo. I'm totally acting like I'm towm. Lemme show you"

- town has played as scum with a player before and is playing differently because theyre town
- that other player is still scumreading them
- town is all like "wtf yo, youve played with scum me and it was totally different, remember"?

SELF META IS NOT FUCKING SCUMMY FOR FUCK'S SAKE

sorry i had to get that out of my system because i am sick and bloody tired of it being used as a scumtell. its not. fucking deal with it.

[Mr Meeseeks]

like youve just come up with a narrative of why self-meta could come from scum, and completely disregarded the fact that it could come from town in an equally likely situation

that is not a town mindset

with both your (still largely unexplained beyond pathetically defending a few points) lapsa townread and kush scumread, the way youve gone about it makes something clear to me

you didnt read their posts and decide from that theyre town/scum

youve decided theyre town/scum and then are using posts as evidence after your decision, making many of your reads flawed, missing the alternate perspectives on a situation that town would since that doesnt fit your narrative, and generally fitting square pegs into round holes

VOTE: jarjardrinks

fuckit

lapsa can wait

[Mr Meeseeks]

the quote is basically saying

rather than how town make reads - ie read their posts and view from there

i feel like jarjar is scum who has decided that, to push the game to where he wants, he has to have a townread on lapsa and a scumread on you

so, his reads and reasons look artificial, because hes coming up with the reasons

after

deciding he wants the players to be pushed as town/scum


i can accept that some town think self-meta is scummy - but to push a narrative like that whilst completely ignoring the equally likely town possibility for selfmeta (that is to say, acting like only scum selfmeta) is not the attitude of a player who is seriously thinking about your alignment

[Mr Meeseeks]

ill be honest

im not exactly townreading kush, at most a very very slight townlean, im having trouble distinguishing between some slight newbieness and actual scumminess

but im fairly certain that jarjardrinks is scum and lapsa is a large scumread and my main candidate for third scum is i am innocent

and right now, jarjar and innocent are pushing kush, who is the counterwagon to lapsa

so by pure associatives of my more confident reads, im gonna go for a "nah" on him being scum

[Mr Meeseeks]

a very very slight townlean

good reading skills jarjar it wasnt as if i said i townreaded him a bit in the SAME FUCKING POST YOU QUOTED

[Mr Meeseeks]

I've been playing since like 2013, so I'm not a newbie.

oops, i assumed you were a newbie-newbie by joindate, but let me elaborate more precisely what i mean

theres a general play style that can be associated with people who arent as good with the game, particularly those who are new but not exclusively. i dont like the term village idiot, but the kind of people who are easy mislynches for scum because they do slightly odd things every now and again and sometimes word things in a way that can be easily attacked. your play is falling into that for me right now.

[Mr Meeseeks]

im having trouble distinguishing between some slight newbieness and actual scumminess

Like all game you've said over and over that none of these things he's done are scummy.

- Defending yourself isn't scummy
- SHeeping isn't scummy
- self-meta'ing isn't scummy
- Scum aren't loose w/ their words like kush was

So your post is complete bullshit. You shouldn't be having trouble distinguishing between some slight newbieness and actual scumminess cause you've been telling us that he hasn't done anything scummy.

It's not like you've been like "Naw guys, he's just being all noobish".

You've been attacking everyone that's went after kush and calling their reasoning shit.

that shit aint scummy though. its null.

who cares whether or not im townreading kush. shitty reasoning is shitty. simple as that. i will attack shitty reasoning if its the only reasoning used to vote someone, and your reasoning has been exceedingly shitty.

this statement is also pretty rich from someone who is townreading lapsa and was desperately trying to get a wagon off lapsa but still hasnt given a single fucking reason why lapsa is town despite prompting from multiple players.

also, bullshit in bold. there are three people voting lapsa right now and of them im scumreading one heavily and have my eye on the other, but when there were six people voting him i didnt "go after" all of them like you imply like im chainsawing the shit out of a scumpartner.

[Mr Meeseeks]

This is from meseeks. This actually seems more like cookie cutter scum reasoning, general statements that aren't connected to specifics.

nah, its not. thats a particular line of reasoning that never comes across from town, because town forms reads from reasons. sure, its a vague statement that encompasses a whole group, just like other reasons, but unlike, say, lurking and sheeping, this thing is pretty much scum-exclusive. the only time town does it is when tunneling, and even then the initial scumread at the least does come from reasoning. jarjar does not give off that impression to me.

Jarjar has reasons why he's scumreading people, so just because he disagrees with those reasons is not evidence that the reasons were made up.

a lot of his reasons for you, as i said, are either non-alignment indicative and he has not considered the possibility of it coming from town (not the mindset of someone seriously thinking about someones alignment), or fitting square pegs into round holes, where he comes up with reasoning that doesnt actually quite fit your actions

his scumread on you looks fake and forced

[Mr Meeseeks]

@Mr Meeseeks - please point out posts of Kush's that look like slight newbieness please.

do you want me to spoonfeed you too? jfc

ill do it in a minute, but seriously thats just hilarious that you need it pointing out to you

[Mr Meeseeks]

And Kush has now dropped on my scum list simply because I'm confident Mr Meeseeks is scum and I doubt that he would defend his buddy like he has been doing.

okay so im scum because im defending a player whose wagon was dying anyway? right, makes real fucking sense.

And for my Lapsa read,

I was scum once in a game with Lapsa. I tunneled him for the entire game because his playstyle is easy for scum to attack and noone gave me a 2nd look about it.

ahh, so because his townplay is scummy, then his scummy play must always mean hes town and he can never be playing scummy because hes scum.

thats not a reason for a townread. nullread, maybe. not a townread. bullshit read is bullshit.

[Mr Meeseeks]

I am v/la on weekends.

Hi Jake from State Farm. Excited to be town with you this time.

the last sentence is pretty obviously the kind of thing a newbie player would say. like seriously.

haha yeah... voted for whatshisname without actualyl reading anythign he wrote. But jarjardrinks points against him looked pretty good.

But whathisname defense looked pretty good as well. In fact it made jarjar look kind of bad for the misrepresentation.
So I'll UNVOTE: whathisname.

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb shit to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

forgetting the name of someone youre voting, quite a newb thing

I'd rather not decide who I want to put my vote on until I catch up. I'm going to respond to this heat I got on page 6.

explaining what youre doing. newbier players do this a lot, go around explaining a lot of things that they do to make it clear.

[Mr Meeseeks]

thats just three posts, i dont think i have enough time in my life to go through every last post

[Mr Meeseeks]

yes

because those are mostly things that id expect a newb/vi player etc to do, but they could be scummy

and while i am preferring the former as being the truth (hence my townlean), im not confident enough in that to go full townread

[Mr Meeseeks]

yeah, ive seen enough of rc to know theres method to his madness

the way youre attacking his vote style while hes voting you and never got around to it before when he was being wayyyyy more erratic with votes just stinks

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: jarjar

Looks like the final wagons are forming and even through I'd prefer lapsa I don't think I will get that off today.

just curious

final wagons when there are still 9 days left until deadline

why do you think this?

[Mr Meeseeks]

But the thing is, I know exactly how scummy it will look but I say it anyway to show you guys I'm not afraid to look scummy.
That's how you know I'm town.

see this is what i mean when i cant tell between newbieness/lack of filter and scumminess :/


pedit lol jarjar 7for7 guyz you better trust this guy who still hasnt given a single fucking reasons for lapsa being town besides not liking the reasons why lapsa is scum and lapsa being pushed by his scumreads

[Mr Meeseeks]

thats not a reason to townread someone

null at most

because players that play scummy as town also, shock horror, play scummy as scum

him playing scummy now and having played scummy as town does not immediately mean that him playing scummy makes him town

ive explained this before, that is a bs reason to townread someone if i ever saw it

[Mr Meeseeks]

thats not a reason to townread someone

null at most

because players that play scummy as town also, shock horror, play scummy as scum

him playing scummy now and having played scummy as town does not immediately mean that him playing scummy makes him town

ive explained this before, that is a bs reason to townread someone if i ever saw it

ok but you said I hadn't given a "single fucking reason". Whether you think it's a good reason or not is immaterial. I posted it cause you lied and said I didnt give any other reason.

i mean i pretty much just explained that it is NOT A FUCKING REASON TO TOWNREAD SOMEONE therefore you havent given aa SINGLE FUCKING REASON

i meant a single good reason but sure, ignore what anyone with half a brain can see that i meant and pick at the exact wording

and i bet you wonder why i think youre scum

[Mr Meeseeks]

Lapsa (4):

RadiantCowbells, Garmr, Mr Meeseeks, acryon

right so, 4 votes at its height as far as i can see? that doesnt look that much like an easy wagon if you ask me.

hell, id say an easier wagon with shitty reasoning would be... why, kush with 7 votes at its peak! how does lapsa get a free pass and not kush??

[Mr Meeseeks]

I love how not a single person has questioned meeks about his contradictions. I've literally shown how he's attacked people for calling something scummy that he himself believed was scummy and people just show up and are like "Hurr Durr, Bad reads. JJD so scum"

thats because theyre not contradictions

theyre teeny-tiny little inconsistencies which you are making out to be biiiigggg obvscum things

blowing things out of proportion for a scumread, huh, add that to the list of scummy things youve done

[Mr Meeseeks]

aww shit

irl caught up with me, im a few pages behind (ive skimmed, but not properly read anything since last post) so yeah

fire assassin is firebringer? lol, probably should have been obvious by name but the posting style is different, wondering how accurate traditional fb tells are

wagon on him is justified but idk how much i agree with it, will need a better read to determine

i agree that calvary is a bit dodgy, i remember my gut twinging at something about their posts when skimming

ill do this tomorrow (my time) probably

[Mr Meeseeks]

aww shit

irl caught up with me, im a few pages behind (ive skimmed, but not properly read anything since last post) so yeah

fire assassin is firebringer? lol, probably should have been obvious by name but the posting style is different, wondering how accurate traditional fb tells are

wagon on him is justified but idk how much i agree with it, will need a better read to determine

i agree that calvary is a bit dodgy, i remember my gut twinging at something about their posts when skimming

ill do this tomorrow (my time) probably

Ok now I must know who is your main account?

sorry, my aim is to keep this alt secret as much as possible, revealing it in my first game with it seems to render that redundant

catching up within... 10 hours?

[Mr Meeseeks]

sorry, my aim is to keep this alt secret as much as possible, revealing it in my first game with it seems to render that redundant

So you do know what an alt is. Earlier you said you didn't. Why lie over something so trivial?

if its so trivial, whats the harm in lying about it

i didnt exactly try to hide being an alt did i

[Mr Meeseeks]

also sorry, catching up being pushed back another 6 hours or so, shit has happened irl

[Mr Meeseeks]

I like Meeseeks but I have a question. Are you a true n00b or you an alt?

neither i am above your titles

like this is pretty much the most obvious "of course im an alt" sarcastic reply ive ever seen

and ignore me? like, all my content? because that seems like a questionable course of action to take on a player who was just dicking around a little with an alt

[Mr Meeseeks]

that seems like an illogical escalation

[Mr Meeseeks]

like, i dont see how

someone joking around with an alt early on while still clearly saying that it was an alt = untrustworthy at things that are actually important to the game

[Mr Meeseeks]

I was going to read up this morning but I am too captivated watching the boston marathon.

it's called lurking - ask RC

just saying

something questionable about lapsa attacking jake for "lurking" here when i had pretty objectively been lurking as i hadnt posted for like a day and a half at this point, and drew attention to it halfway through this conversation. quite an odd stance for town to take, and points to jake not being scum with lapsa

well to be honest nobody asked you where you stand on this matter but since you brought it up post 123 is where the lie occurred. His original post where he said he was neither to me meant he wasn't a n00b player but he's just new to this site. post 123 is where he outright denies being an alt and he had no reason to lie about it.

i'm not interested in discussing this anymore because quite frankly I don't care what you all think about my opinion on the matter and I certainly don't care about any of yours. He lied and has been proven untrustworthy to me and that's all that matters.

gdi

as much as i dislike jake's play and particularly his discredit of me because i "lied about my status as an alt" (when in reality he just didnt notice my rather blatant sarcasm)

he has clashed with both of the players i am scumreading most

ill have to see how this unfolds because my mind isnt even close to made up on jake rn

too tired for proper catchup but i did read the game and shit!
upon a reread calvary isnt even close to as bad as i seem to have remembered, so thats not a scumread, no idea why that happened tbh

[Mr Meeseeks]

If I voted for you when you were voting for me, u would have called me scummy for OMGUSing.

But go ahead, please tell me how waiting for you to unvote before casting my vote for you is beneficial to me as scum.

im fairly sure you just answered your own question here before even asking it

Garmr, want to switch this up to JarJar?
VOTE: JarJarDrinks
Not down for a Calvary lynch today, maybe tomorrow.

fb knows where its attttt

Garmr, want to switch this up to JarJar?
VOTE: JarJarDrinks
Not down for a Calvary lynch today, maybe tomorrow.

VOTE: jarjar

<3

I'm town reading both tbh but I don't think Jake will accept because I think kush is town.

Your correct. My opinion > anyone else's.

I haven't seen a single compelling argument for anyone yet. Take you for example. You made a case on somebody but want me to vote somebody else. Why?

Right now I'm lost and the only person who has been blatantly scummy is Kush.

im not really a case-making kinda guy, but have a read through my iso (dont try ctrl+f-ing jarjar because ive referred to him in many ways), and youll probably catch the general gist as to why i think hes scummy

Anyways, we aren't lynching you today I don't think so I guess I'll have to move my vote sooner or later.

Don't see why U'd think garmr can't be lynched today.

There is no way Garmr is getting lynched today. One of me or Garmr have to be night killed before that happens.

yeah, no way in hell im voting garmr either as the game stands now, for the record. hed have to do something insanely scummy today to surpass my reads

If anyone voting for me (or not voting for me) has questions or any points to make, please do so.

I don't think anyone has given any reason for me being scum aside from townreading Lapsa.

eh, i think ive expanded on it being a bit more than that. thats the big thing, sure, but theres various other things. plus its less that youre townreading lapsa, more that i cant see any reasons other than "scummy as town" (which doesnt immediately make them town in any sense) and "scum are voting him" (which is starting to seem bizarrely circular considering youve only scumread those people to an extent because theyre voting lapsa, and is never a reason to townread anyone regardless).

If you actually knew anything about me you know I'm notorious for voting without reasons

jake, why are you voting garmr?

[Mr Meeseeks]

If I voted for you when you were voting for me, u would have called me scummy for OMGUSing.

But go ahead, please tell me how waiting for you to unvote before casting my vote for you is beneficial to me as scum.

im fairly sure you just answered your own question here before even asking it

Um, I guess you're implying that I waited because I didn't want to look scummy and that makes me scummy?

Please explain to me in what manner I should have voted garmr for you to not think it was scummy? Sound to me like it wouldn't matter if I waited or not.

im not saying i agree with that reason, im just saying it seems kinda redundant to answer a question that you had basically answered yourself

theres various other things.

cool, what are they? I'd like to be able to respond to something.

read my iso! im fairly sure theres more against you than just stuff to do with you voting lapsa, although it might be buried a bit because my posts are very much "stream of thoughts strung together"

jake, why are you voting garmr?

Well I already answered this

you mean "because he's scum"? you know what i mean, an actual reason. i know you have it in you. stop fucking around.

[Mr Meeseeks]

jake, your answer was "because i think he could be scum" but people are looking for you to say WHY you think he could be scum. Obviously.

Anyway I could join a Jake wagon. Partially on policy of uncommunicativeness. Partially because he could be scum.

in all honesty i think jake is just like this as town, we just need to get a few more people asking him why hes voting garmr more precisely

[Mr Meeseeks]

prodge will do some shit soon

[Mr Meeseeks]

ugh guess which fuck has to catch up ten pages

[Mr Meeseeks]

(me, in case you couldn't guess)

[Mr Meeseeks]

POST WALL INCOMING

[Mr Meeseeks]

See if I didn't have a meta read of you being terrible as town,

lolwut

i can call rc a lot of things

but terrible as town? fuck off if you honestly think that

sure, he's bad at giving reasons and convincing others to join his wagons, but rc's accuracy at finding scum is honestly astonishingly good at times

so my immediate reaction to you saying this is "scum discrediting town because scared of correct reads"

That exchange with mc made me less suspicious of him sadly.

Read this guys ISO and tell me you don't see post like this over and over again.

He
Has
Attacked
Nobody
!
!
!

as in..? people have different types of play of mafia. some people arent particularly pushy and attack-y, and thats a playstyle difference through and through in my eyes.

WHO IS SCUM KUSH?!?!?!?

i mean, presumably who hes voting? like, the votecount was about 6 posts above this, its not that hard surely.

I'm going to recant my MC scumread and omgus scumread IAMINNOCENT

Then vote me! Push others to vote me! Do something! Show me u care more about catching scum than upsetting others!!!

Ur play does not line up with a town agenda at all.

Still happy with my vote.

didnt he just say his main scumread/person he wanted lynched was autti?

WHO IS SCUM KUSH?!?!?!?

it's day 1 bro!!!!!
I think autti is the best lynch.

yes

yes he did

I'm going to recant my MC scumread and omgus scumread IAMINNOCENT

And why would u recant one scum read just cause u have another?

i mean it seems to me that they are separate events that just happened closely - kush interacted with mc to see what he thought, and was deciding that he was town around when you attacked him for "not attacking people", so i dont see how you automatically assume that they are for the same reason, or hes recanting a scumread to replace it with another

yeah, im gonna put my scumteam right now at jarjar/lapsa/innocent

I've played several games now with RadiantCowbells and here's the list of reasons to think he's good at mafia:

- He tells people that he's good at mafia

look dude

ive seen a game, a 13 player game with 2 scum, where radiantcowbells borderline single-handedly got both scum members killed before d2

saying that rc is bad at mafia is objectively wrong

Interaction between RC and me in the last game I played.

I am not tolerating any lynches besides a Ricastle lynch today.

cool story bro

All the skeevy sons of bitches are pushing the lynch away from him.
The people that I like are pushing the lynch towards him.

After he flips town, u gonna say that the people pushing the lynch away from him were just doing it for the towncred?

I'll let u guys guess what Ricastle flipped as. I have no idea why anybody would ever pay attention to anything RC says.

"wow guys rc got a single read wrong once he must be crap at mafia"

like fuck off, seriously, who the fuck doesnt get reads wrong every now and again?

this is scum trying to discredit someone, seriously, vote jjd please people its the right thing to do

JJD, why do you keep bringing up how bad RC is? What does that have to do with if she's scum?

Because he keeps telling people that I'm scum and for some reason people actually listen to him.

quote a single person who has voted you because of rc. i know that i at the very least came to this read independent of him

in fact, dont bother. ive just isoed both of the others who have voted you (garmr and fire assassin) and the only time either of them addressed rc in regards to you was garmr also telling you to stop discrediting rc - after both of them had voted you. there is literally no evidence that either of them voted you because of rc.

so nice lying there, seriously people this is scum look

Postie replaces Autti. Please welcome her!

fuck yeah posti- wait youre really good as scum arent you fuckkkkk youre gonna be fun to read

youre cool though, so welcome

Hello, I replaced Jake from State Farm, probably. Haven't read the thread yet.

welcome you too!

Of course Jakes replacement is gonna scum read me.

could you explain what you meant by this sentence?

We all have our on and off games jarjar but judging from our on games rc and I have at least demonstrated the ability to play above average sometimes (I'm hit or miss and I acknowledge this)

I have never seen anything noteworthy from you.

Then why did you say this?

Lapsa case is garbage. bad lynch.

are you scum or just not very smart?

I don't think jar jar is garbage as a player so I would lean scum.

If I'm not garbage, and I'm not above averarage then I'm.... what?

Looks like I'm whatever best fits your agenda at the time.

wow seriously

LOOK AT THIS SCUM!

he has just painted garmr describing him as "not garbage" and "not noteworthy (exceptional)" and has painted that as scummy, rather than reaching the logical conclusion that he is average

like fuuuuucking hell this is painting absolute rubbish as scummy, like seriously

Why? I think he made the account so he could play differently.

This is a wierd train of thought. You're saying that Postie shouldn't trust her meta read of fire because he possibly made an alt account so he can act differently?

i mean to me that seems like the opposite of a weird train of thought

like, if hes made an alt and made little attempt at hiding it, you can guess that its to do with playing differently (and if you have played with firebringer main before, he is playing

very

differently here)

[Mr Meeseeks]

@Garmr/Meesks

If I get lynched and flip town then who do you lynch next?

well if that happened id assume that my whole outlook on the game is incorrect and would re-evaluate stuff overnight

but id probably be looking closest at... expedience i think, maybe garmr

although players flipping town dont give a huge amount of associations in terms of how they act towards others which is a bummer, so it wouldnt really help me townread lapsa if thats what youre wondering

but it definitely wouldnt be as simple as "whelp he flipped town lets lynch x", it would definitely be a careful look at things before making any such decision

[Mr Meeseeks]

@Garmr/Meesks

If I get lynched and flip town then who do you lynch next?

If you flip town which you won't.

sigh

I really don't understand why anyone thinks he is scum. The confrontational attitude is pretty clearly town.

how about pretty much the second half of my big post that i just did

where i point out sooooo much scummy shit that hes done like discrediting players, exaggerating issues, failing to use logic and instead quickly jumping to scumread someone based on something any town player with an ounce of logic could figure, and even flat out fucking lying

are you even reading or what because seriously

[Mr Meeseeks]

like

you can say "i dont think hes scum"

but when ive given plenty of perfect justification, "i dont understand why anyone thinks hes scum" is an absolutely ridiculous statement that i am unsure how you can honestly believe

[Mr Meeseeks]

oh

because i thought he was reacting like that to you saying "if you flip town" to jarjar and i read his reply as "i dont understand how anyone thinks jarjar is scum"

sorry about that

[Mr Meeseeks]

I was talking to everyone in THE ENTIRE WORLD

What do you expect him to do, endorse the votes on him??

wow he doesnt like RC must be scum.

he is blatantly lying and discrediting rc saying hes a bad player (when pretty much everyone else agrees thats bullshit) and then saying that everyones voting him ONLY AND ONLY because of rc when literally noone voting him even mentioned rc, like fuck off is that a townie attitude

961 is JJD misinterpreting Garmr's post as an insult which is a town tell.

ahh, so its town to go "hmm, he says im not garbage, he also says im not an exceptional player, WELL THERE ISNT ANY POSSIBLE OVERLAP BETWEEN THOSE TWO STATEMENTS WOW HE MUST BE DECIDING HOW GOOD I AM ON A WHIM" like fucking seriously

And it's a shitty point which doesn't make Garmr scum clearly but like, so what?

because its a shitty point that seems like an illogical conclusion, and like hes gone "hmm how can i read something about garmr as scummy"

and k he didn't understand my post about Firebringer nice to know

okay that wasnt really something i was scumreading him for, it was just an oddity

Look, I just demolished your entire case in less than 10 seconds (I type fast). How does that make you feel?

lol, not even close. get rid of that cocky attitude because im not having any of this kinda bullshit, you havent even come close to demolishing my entire case for a fucking start

you cannot honestly look at all that shit and then add it together and come to a "must be town" conclusion like fuck off seriously i dont believe you for a damn second

[Mr Meeseeks]

like, demolished is pathetic, you made some vague and generally inaccurate shitty "counterpoints" to all of my good points and then acted all cocky because you must be perfect, like piss off

it makes me feel angry and sad because i cannot believe a player could be so idiotic

[Mr Meeseeks]

you did read my post, right

because my innocent points were okay-but-not-hugely-scummy things
while my jarjar points were holy-shit-this-is-ridiculous-seriously-scum

[Mr Meeseeks]

cool

but i think the point im gonna make is that it doesnt matter what you think

because youre saying its bad that i had a stronger case on iai than jarjar but am voting jarjar

but if i personally (and strongly) think that my case on jarjar is better then its personally reasonable for me to vote jarjar

regardless of what you think about which the better case is

[Mr Meeseeks]

[Mr Meeseeks]

i have a bit of a crackpot (well, not really, but its quite a swerve from my previously voiced thoughts) theory that has been crawling its way into my mind

and i didnt really believe it

but recent events have seriously convinced me of its likelihood

ive got some stuff to do so ill come back and ill voice it if it still sounds sane to me by then

[Mr Meeseeks]

okay so

dont worry, my jarjar scumread is still in place, nothing could make me lose it

his attitude always looked like deciding someone's alignment and then shoving excuses to read them that way afterwards, his iso is filled with lying and discrediting and myriad other problems

but the big thing that was bugging me was would he

really

put that much effort into defending a scum partner playing like lapsa

so heres my theory

i got it the wrong way around in terms of kush/lapsa

lapsa is town, and jarjar is hard defending what could easily have been an easy lynch for towncred
kush is scum, and jarjar was pushing him for towncred when he was getting close to lynching

now, at first this seemed bizarre, but more things started to stick out the more i thought about it

jarjars timing on the wagon seems fair enough - fourth vote on, and very soon after jake had placed the third vote, despite a considerable buildup to potentially scumreading him already
kush has had antagonism and general dislike towards jarjar - but never a scumread or a vote
jarjars vote went off kush after kushs wagon went from 6 voters to 3, and then jarjars supposedly strong scumread on kush disappeared - at a brief glance, he hasnt mentioned it for ages
jarjars push on me for defending kush - because kush actually is scum, itd be surprisingly easy to make me look bad

the main thing that pinged me and made me go "oh shit" was when i made that post and kushs reply to it - anyone reading it can see that my better points are against jarjar, but kush attacked it and attempted to convince me that my innocent read is better and that i should vote him (by saying that it was scummy for me to not vote innocent after that) and that made me think "shit, maybe hes trying to get votes off his partner?"

(in addition, ive not really been pinged by a lot of lapsas more recent posts while a lot of kushs recent posts bugged me but eh)

so to sum up:

lapsa is probably town
jarjar is still scum
kush is actually scum not town imo
innocent im now leaning on not being scum
unsure on who the third scum is, but i want to say jake/expedience slot rn i think

[Mr Meeseeks]

so id rather vote jjd right now because im wayyyy more confident about him

but honestly i wouldnt be bugged by a compromise lynch on kush if i cant get that

[Mr Meeseeks]

id probably be looking closest at... expedience i think, maybe garmr

If you think scum!Expedience makes sense after this...

I don't know why I didn't do this as soon as I found out fire assassin was fire bringer but I can't play with a known game thrower.

request replacement.

Fire is on my blacklist

... you're insane.

call me insane then

a player replacing because they have a personal issue with another player is not even close to alignment indicative

Yeah but Mr Meeseeks, what if they're all town

youd just love for me to become paranoid about my reads

This is basically what it boils down to:

Reason I'm defending Lapsa is cause I believe it's a counterwagon to scum-kush.

If you think player A isn't really scummy and people want them lynched, and you think player B

is

scummy, you're naturally going to defend the non-scummy player (player A) and attack the scummy player (player B), because you're trying to move people's votes from player A to player B. This is a thought process that makes sense.

If JJD was defending a buddy, especially one being dubbed "obvscum", I find it hard to believe he would put this much effort into it, because that would make him look pretty bad if/when Lapsa's lynch went through.
And if he was whiteknighting, why would he actively try and derail the lynch on Lapsa? Why not just sit back and say that Lapsa's town and allow it go through?

I've been in pretty much this exact situation before as town and I got scumread for it and it was frustrating and made no sense. JJD's town.

youre fundamentally misunderstanding my problems with jarjar

first off, my scumread is way beyond that whole defending thing way back. seriously. there is literally a huge quote wall with about half of it being dedicated to scummy shit jarjar has done. to ignore that is ridiculous
secondly, my issue was never "ooh hes townreading x and scumreading y", it was "his reasons look artificial, like hes gone 'okay im gonna describe him as town and scum, now i have to find reasons'. additionally, there are plenty of reasons to hard defend while whiteknighting - a helluva lot more towncred, for a start. if someone sits back, says someone is town but puts fuckall effort in, theyre gonna get called for whiteknighting.

id probably be looking closest at... expedience i think, maybe garmr

If you think scum!Expedience makes sense after this...

I don't know why I didn't do this as soon as I found out fire assassin was fire bringer but I can't play with a known game thrower.

request replacement.

Fire is on my blacklist

... you're insane.

Postie, I don't see why you'd see replacing as alignment indicative.

see quite amusingly my current meta on postie is that shes actually scummier as town than as scum
so idk if postie is scum

Yeah but you're you and not Jake from State Farm. I see no reason not to take his claim at face value.

so..? a player can replace out for personal reasons regardless of alignment. i know i have before

the main thing that pinged me and made me go "oh shit" was when i made that post and kushs reply to it - anyone reading it can see that my better points are against jarjar, but kush attacked it and attempted to convince me that my innocent read is better and that i should vote him (by saying that it was scummy for me to not vote innocent after that) and that made me think "shit, maybe hes trying to get votes off his partner?"

This in particular seems like really hard to fake townie paranoia.

arghhhh
part of me goes "hmm maybe he is town finally seeing the truth"
but then another bit of me is worried that ive figured it and now jarjar is worried and trying to soften me up uhifuahksuahfkj
fucking paranoia

So meeks, my next question to u is does scum-kush only make sense to u if I'm scum? Cause I know I'm town. Maybe Kush attacked you because he thought there was a good chance I'd get hanged and then wanted you to look bad when I flipped.

nah, i think scum-kush makes sense in general tbh. ive been feeling it for a while but not really saying it because, how do i explain
you know when you are like "yeah i know who the scum are" and you think youve got it sorted then something happens that doesnt fit and you just ignore it
basically it kept happening until i could ignore it no longer and i reached the conclusion i did
i reckon theres a good chance of kush!scum independent of you

VOTE: MURDERCAT

Fine, this is better than Garmr or JarJarDrinks, but still suboptimal.

ew

VOTE: Cavalry

JarJar, vote Cavarly as well or you could be lynched because you are a competing wagon.

://////

Regarding meeseeks, those consprcy theories are easier for mafia to fake than people realize. I'm gonna have to re-read it.

Reread it yet?

Also can u think of any scum motivation for him to put forth that theory and basically flipflop his read of you and Lapsa?

Cause to me, it looks like a natural thought progression of someone that is tunneled on me being scum.

Not yet.
Scum motivation is to make himself look townie and open up more people for him to scumread.

open up more people to scumread
by scrapping my scumread on lapsa
sure dude
like id understand this if id gone "hmmmmmm it could be kush OR lapsa"
but nah

[Mr Meeseeks]

holy crap what is it with me and post walls in this game

[Mr Meeseeks]

only cares about lynching someone today

no offence but

that aint a scumtell

its generally (especially on D1) pro-town to pull off a lynch, regardless of who it lands on, because it provides information for wagons and the like based on the flip of the player

like sure id rather get someone whom i think is scum

but theres more info to be got from a lynch than a nightkill, thats for sure

@mod can we have a vc please

also, may i request that we have a deadline extension for the sake of the replacing of lapsa?

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: kush

i am happy with this

[Mr Meeseeks]

People who are here, how are we feeling about fire?

not gonna vote fire today

looks like ill have to compromise on calvary because noone is sensible enough to vote kush

VOTE: calvary

[Mr Meeseeks]

People who are here, how are we feeling about fire?

not gonna vote fire today

looks like ill have to compromise on calvary because noone is sensible enough to vote kush

VOTE: calvary

and iaminnocent? what happens to your suspicions of him?

ehh

iai was more of a thingymabob, a umm, a... relational scumread? based on activity with the other scum members. when my ideas change, i threw the decent chance of him being scum out of the window tbh

[Mr Meeseeks]

a player replacing because they have a personal issue with another player is not even close to alignment indicative

Except it was down to not wanting to play with a "game thrower" and not an actual personal issue.

same thing? like, to have issues with an aspect of someones play, such as them game throwing, is a personal issue.

I guess you could argue he might have had some kind of personal issue with Fire and then lied about his reasons for replacing out to make his slot look more town, but it seems like a long shot.

you seem awfully hung up on this whole thing, like he can be both telling the truth and not town

Someone replacing out because they think Fire is a bad player is far, far more likely than someone replacing out because they have a personal issue with Fire that warrants blacklisting and then lying about it.

omfg seriously postie youre great and all but use your damn brain. if he doesnt want to play with fire because he game threw, hes still not gonna want to play with fire when hes scum for crying out loud, i shouldnt even have to explain this because christ on a bicycle it is pathetically simple

there is literally a huge quote wall with about half of it being dedicated to scummy shit jarjar has done. to ignore that is ridiculous

I read it and I disagree that most of the things you pointed out were scummy. I didn't see any scum-motivation behind what he wrote, only bad logic. Expedience covered it pretty well already.

holllllyyy fuck

youre avoiding the point. heres how this conversation went

you said you didnt agree with one point i made and made it out to be the whole case > i said "actually i said a lot more than that" > you said that oh you read it and disagree

now it seems to me theres a disconnect here

youre really starting to worry me postie because youre missing my point a lot of the time and something just feels

wrong

and ugh

because you acted like it didnt exist at all and now you say oh you just didnt agree and something about that seems off

secondly, my issue was never "ooh hes townreading x and scumreading y", it was "his reasons look artificial, like hes gone 'okay im gonna describe him as town and scum, now i have to find reasons'.

Can you point out the bits you thought looked artificial and why? Preferably I'd like to hear something more than "this looks artificial because it's bad logic".

seriously just read my iso its not that hard, im sure i have plenty of specific examples, general bad logic, you are being incredibly difficult for an incredibly simple conversation

additionally, there are plenty of reasons to hard defend while whiteknighting - a helluva lot more towncred, for a start. if someone sits back, says someone is town but puts fuckall effort in, theyre gonna get called for whiteknighting.

I'd argue they're a heck of a lot more likely to get called out for whiteknighting if they put a lot of effort in. If someone is being scumread very widely, people are going to ask questions when you start loudly shouting about how they're town.

whiteknighting is saying that a town is town so that you look better when theyre flipped

sitting back, commenting and saying their town takes little effort and barely reduces the chances of them being lynched, but you can look good when they flip town, and this will 9/10 times get someone questioned, especially if they start bragging about having done it. it makes sense he would avoid that

[Mr Meeseeks]

idk

just personal preference

gut tells me that calvary is more likely to flip red than fire

although imo the probability is minimal for both of them but hey its not my fault if not enough people want to lynch jarjar/kush/exp as if any of them were the pinnacle of towniness

[Mr Meeseeks]

a player replacing because they have a personal issue with another player is not even close to alignment indicative

Except it was down to not wanting to play with a "game thrower" and not an actual personal issue.

same thing? like, to have issues with an aspect of someones play, such as them game throwing, is a personal issue.

I guess you could argue he might have had some kind of personal issue with Fire and then lied about his reasons for replacing out to make his slot look more town, but it seems like a long shot.

you seem awfully hung up on this whole thing, like he can be both telling the truth and not town

Someone replacing out because they think Fire is a bad player is far, far more likely than someone replacing out because they have a personal issue with Fire that warrants blacklisting and then lying about it.

omfg seriously postie youre great and all but use your damn brain. if he doesnt want to play with fire because he game threw, hes still not gonna want to play with fire when hes scum for crying out loud, i shouldnt even have to explain this because christ on a bicycle it is pathetically simple

If Jake's issue was

gamethrowing

he would want to stay in the game as scum because town-Fire could

gamethrow

and hand him the win, or just generally be a destriment to town. Where am I losing you?
I suppose it's possible Jake replaced out because he was worried about gamethrowing if Jake's slot is on a scumteam with Fire. Is that what you're getting at? I didn't give it much thought before because I'm townreading Fire.

i think its just a fundamental disagreement on whether its scummy or not. if jake doesnt want to play with someone who gamethrows, he doesnt want to play with someone who gamethrows. simple as that. i have the honest opinion that jake would replace out regardless. i dont think jake would stay playing with someone who he believes gamethrows when he has a fundamental disagreement with gamethrowing, regardless of whether it could be used to his advantage or not.

you said you didnt agree with one point i made and made it out to be the whole case > i said "actually i said a lot more than that" > you said that oh you read it and disagree

now it seems to me theres a disconnect here

youre really starting to worry me postie because youre missing my point a lot of the time and something just feels

wrong

and ugh

because you acted like it didnt exist at all and now you say oh you just didnt agree and something about that seems off

Well when I first read it I was just too lazy to type all my problems with it because it was so long, and then Expedience covered it, so I figured there was no point in me doing it.
I can go over it now if you want?

did you miss the bit where i hugely disagreed with what expedience said even after (and he ignored it all btw) plus there are.. two more memorable things that have bugged me about jarjar since then if you want to hear

sitting back, commenting and saying their town takes little effort and barely reduces the chances of them being lynched, but you can look good when they flip town, and this will 9/10 times get someone questioned, especially if they start bragging about having done it. it makes sense he would avoid that

Well, sure, but defending more aggressively doesn't stop that happening; they'd get called out on it either way. Putting extra effort into defending lynchbait seems like something scum would want to avoid even more because it puts them in the spotlight. Why not just avoid calling them town at all?

do you honestly think scum want to always stay out of the spotlight

because if scum can put themselves into the spotlight in a way that looks good, it is great for them in retrospect, even if they get criticism at the time

scum dont just play short term. they have to play the long game too.

[Mr Meeseeks]

a player replacing because they have a personal issue with another player is not even close to alignment indicative

Except it was down to not wanting to play with a "game thrower" and not an actual personal issue.

same thing? like, to have issues with an aspect of someones play, such as them game throwing, is a personal issue.

I guess you could argue he might have had some kind of personal issue with Fire and then lied about his reasons for replacing out to make his slot look more town, but it seems like a long shot.

you seem awfully hung up on this whole thing, like he can be both telling the truth and not town

Someone replacing out because they think Fire is a bad player is far, far more likely than someone replacing out because they have a personal issue with Fire that warrants blacklisting and then lying about it.

omfg seriously postie youre great and all but use your damn brain. if he doesnt want to play with fire because he game threw, hes still not gonna want to play with fire when hes scum for crying out loud, i shouldnt even have to explain this because christ on a bicycle it is pathetically simple

If Jake's issue was

gamethrowing

he would want to stay in the game as scum because town-Fire could

gamethrow

and hand him the win, or just generally be a destriment to town. Where am I losing you?
I suppose it's possible Jake replaced out because he was worried about gamethrowing if Jake's slot is on a scumteam with Fire. Is that what you're getting at? I didn't give it much thought before because I'm townreading Fire.

i think its just a fundamental disagreement on whether its scummy or not. if jake doesnt want to play with someone who gamethrows, he doesnt want to play with someone who gamethrows. simple as that. i have the honest opinion that jake would replace out regardless. i dont think jake would stay playing with someone who he believes gamethrows when he has a fundamental disagreement with gamethrowing, regardless of whether it could be used to his advantage or not.

you said you didnt agree with one point i made and made it out to be the whole case > i said "actually i said a lot more than that" > you said that oh you read it and disagree

now it seems to me theres a disconnect here

youre really starting to worry me postie because youre missing my point a lot of the time and something just feels

wrong

and ugh

because you acted like it didnt exist at all and now you say oh you just didnt agree and something about that seems off

Well when I first read it I was just too lazy to type all my problems with it because it was so long, and then Expedience covered it, so I figured there was no point in me doing it.
I can go over it now if you want?

did you miss the bit where i hugely disagreed with what expedience said even after (and he ignored it all btw) plus there are.. two more memorable things that have bugged me about jarjar since then if you want to hear

sitting back, commenting and saying their town takes little effort and barely reduces the chances of them being lynched, but you can look good when they flip town, and this will 9/10 times get someone questioned, especially if they start bragging about having done it. it makes sense he would avoid that

Well, sure, but defending more aggressively doesn't stop that happening; they'd get called out on it either way. Putting extra effort into defending lynchbait seems like something scum would want to avoid even more because it puts them in the spotlight. Why not just avoid calling them town at all?

do you honestly think scum want to always stay out of the spotlight

because if scum can put themselves into the spotlight in a way that looks good, it is great for them in retrospect, even if they get criticism at the time

scum dont just play short term. they have to play the long game too

ebwop fixed

[Mr Meeseeks]

plus there are.. two more memorable things that have bugged me about jarjar since then if you want to hear

Sure. Hit me.

1) you- fuck i just checked this and its wrong OH WELL let me explain what it was going to be just so you dont accuse me of backpedaling on claiming two
what i was

going

to say is a while after you joined you did an "unvote: whoever" which really bugged jarjar when kush did it but he ignored you doing it
because i thought youd been in the game long enough that youd made a vote and then changed your mind and did that potentially to reaction test jarjar buuuuut i just checked and it was just who you were voting before OH WELL MOVE ONTO REASON TWO
2) jarjar has spent a lot of his time complaining that noone has given proper reasons for him, he claimed he used ad hom against rc because there were "no reasons beyond hes scum" and in this post he said hed love to hear my other reasons so he could respond to them and ive given more reasons since then and WHAT DO YOU KNOW he looked straight past them and entirely ignored them which is wonderufl

do you honestly think scum want to always stay out of the spotlight

because if scum can put themselves into the spotlight in a way that looks good, it is great for them in retrospect, even if they get criticism at the time

scum dont just play short term. they have to play the long game too

In what way does it make them look good if everyone starts screaming about whiteknighting?

well ideally they defend well enough that noone accuses them of whiteknighting, obviously
ill stop this particular line here, this is just gonna go around in circles

[Mr Meeseeks]

yo meeseeks how was this attack on iai relational?

have a look at all of his posts i have a big problem with

see who theyre all directed towards

see why it is relational to an extent

[Mr Meeseeks]

acryon, lapsa isnt getting lynched today

just vote calvary, we can get a decent lynch tomorrow

[Mr Meeseeks]

Didn't we get an extension?

youre welcome

UNVOTE:

im fine with hammering postie, shes bugged me in the short time shes here so im not gonna be upset by her loss (sorry post youre nice but seriously)

[Mr Meeseeks]

I stopped scumreading you so it's only fair you return the favor.

please be joking

[Mr Meeseeks]

I've been asleep.

postie

what on earth have you been doing sleeping between 3 pm and 8 pm in the afternoon/evening

[Mr Meeseeks]

i know thats a weird thing to focus on but it seems bizarre

idk why i asked but OH WELL TOO LATE

part of me would rather just lynch this than waste time all piling onto another person

but another part of me knows that we do have enough time to all pile onto another person

kush, anyone? :3

[Mr Meeseeks]

im fine with hammering postie, shes bugged me in the short time shes here so im not gonna be upset by her loss (sorry post youre nice but seriously)

??????????????

lolwut

[Mr Meeseeks]

are you trying to say i have no reasons to scumread you

because thats a hilarious thing to say

[Mr Meeseeks]

click on that little button by this post number

the one in brackets what says "ISO"

on your keyboard, press ctrl+f

type in "postie"

???

profit

[Mr Meeseeks]

I really hate how people have wagoned me without even really giving reasons.

are you trying to say i have no reasons to scumread you

because thats a hilarious thing to say

Not really, I just don't understand them at all.

vote is staying

sorry rc, i understand your logic, but this is nasty

this is the second time i feel postie has acted like something didnt exist and then when questioned backpedaled a little and gone "i, uh, actually meant i didnt agree" and i cant let it slip

[Mr Meeseeks]

vote is staying

sorry rc, i understand your logic, but this is nasty

this is the second time i feel postie has acted like something didnt exist and then when questioned backpedaled a little and gone "i, uh, actually meant i didnt agree" and i cant let it slip

We are not lynching a claimed PR D1. If she is scum, we can figure that out as time goes on. If she is town, she's most likely dead tonight.

ahh yes, because scum are going to kill a gunsmith (basically a shit cop) who everyone thinks is scum

talk about wishful thinking

[Mr Meeseeks]

Idk anymore: JarJarDrinks / Lapsa /

Garmr

What's changed about ur Garmr read?

Well

he was a townlean

, but only just. And I don't really remember my reasons for townleaning on him anymore so *shrug*. He's whatever.

How about Calvary?

Done with ISOs, so you can have my full reads now. My first impressions are:

Expedience

Fire Assassin

Mr Meeseeks

I Am Innocent

nnn_thekushmountains

JarJarDrinks

Lapsa

Calvary

Garmr

acryon

MURDERCAT

?
so a townlean is the second worst colour on the list

riiiiiggghhhhttttttt

[Mr Meeseeks]

like you can spout all of the "ooh she claimed pr"

idgaf

shes scummy as hell

also my other persons id like to lynch is kush/expe but APPARENTLY theyre too townie for people to lynch so yeh

i will only be voting in the group of postie/kush/expe and right now postie has the biggest wagon there so guess where my vote is gonna go

you guessed it

[Mr Meeseeks]

Still no way we lynch a claimed PR.

look

i can tell you exactly what is going to happen

we dont lynch postie today and instead rush, unthinkingly wagoning someone else
postie probably fails to get any significant result and isnt killed
we lynch postie tomorrow

and that is entirely regardless of alignment

[Mr Meeseeks]

If they don't kill me I can potentially catch one of them out tonight so yes, they are going to kill me. The only way they're not going to aim a kill at me is pretty much if all of them are in my townreads.

and of all of the people in my scumreads/potential scum

ONE of them isnt in your townreads

CAN YOU SEE WHY I DONT EXPECT YOU TO GET A RESULT

[Mr Meeseeks]

?
so a townlean is the second worst colour on the list

riiiiiggghhhhttttttt

Yes, scumreads would be in red. I didn't have any strong scumreads at that point.

wow okay i didnt expect that reply

[Mr Meeseeks]

i will adamantly refuse to vote anyone outside of postie/kush/expedience, or potentially jarjar

theyre hardly a difficult group to agree with lynching

dont go wagoning people like fire assassin who have done jackall to deserve scumreading

[Mr Meeseeks]

Still no way we lynch a claimed PR.

look

i can tell you exactly what is going to happen

we dont lynch postie today and instead rush, unthinkingly wagoning someone else
postie probably fails to get any significant result and isnt killed
we lynch postie tomorrow

and that is entirely regardless of alignment

Even if this is a 90% chance, it's not worth the 10% chance that leaves us horrifically lynching a claimed PR on D1.

no my point is this will happen regardless of posties alignment whether shes lying scum or town pr, because the straight-off chance of her getting a guilty is 1/3 if she is town, and that is ignoring the chance of a town vig or scum doc and the fact that all of my scumreads are in her town pile

im irritated that she had been pretty scummy but youre willing to let her off because she just said "im a gunsmith"

if that described sequence of events isnt exactly what happens ill be shocked

so lets lynch post today rather than rushing a lynch today and then inevitlbly lynching her tomorrow

[Mr Meeseeks]

what the everloving fuck is happening rn

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: postie

[Mr Meeseeks]

like lol

postie is a bajillion times more likely to be scum than garmr

while lapsa is trolling the fuck out of everything so im not trusting that claim

i fucking called it, were lynching postie. now.

[Mr Meeseeks]

also postie is much closer to be lynched and we have just under TWO FUCKING HOURS to get a lynch so use your brain and vote postie because most people already voting her probably wont come back

i can only stay here for ten minutes and idk if ill be back before deadline after that

[Mr Meeseeks]

i at this point doubt postie being town

but if she is

then that basically confirms that garmr is scum and, well, scum counterclaiming someone who is already close-ish to being lynched is risky and pointless

so if postie is town then garmr is scum and likely has a partner in posties null-to-scum pile, or a partner who was high on the lynchlist if posties lynch fell through

just saying this in case im not back before hammer/twilight and i dont make it through the night

[Mr Meeseeks]

i normally would because thats usually my thing but i literally have to go now so GOOD LUCK

[Mr Meeseeks]

Can we just ban Lapsa from the thread because he is clearly just trolling at this point.

That claim from Garmr was absolute trash but I think it was genuine.

Still no chance I am voting claimed gunsmith at this point and I'm not sure why any of you are either. Literally anybody else is a better lynch right now.

WHAT THE FUCK

[Mr Meeseeks]

Do you not know what someone claiming Cop means? It means that one of the claims is baloney, because no way is both a cop and gunsmith being placed in a fucking NORMAL game!

This should give you all of the reasons to vote a claimed Gunsmith for crying out loud, at the very least if she's telling the truth it finds us one scum!

[Mr Meeseeks]

gdi acryon you pissed me off so much i used proper grammer

[Mr Meeseeks]

i strongly disagree, scum counter-claiming investigative in that situation would be idiotic, risky and pointless unless there was something incredibly at risk, especially when he was fairly likely to be lynched anyway

[Mr Meeseeks]

Do you not know what someone claiming Cop means? It means that one of the claims is baloney, because no way is both a cop and gunsmith being placed in a fucking NORMAL game!

This should give you all of the reasons to vote a claimed Gunsmith for crying out loud, at the very least if she's telling the truth it finds us one scum!

Are you saying you believe Lapsa's claim??

no i mean garmrs claim

garmr claimed cop

postie claimed gunsmith

two investigatives

a normal game that is balanced

SOMETHING DOESNT ADD UP HUH

[Mr Meeseeks]

did u miss this meeks?

Oh well may as well come completely clean.

VOTE: Garmr

I am vanilla townie I was going to fake cop jar jar like I did to the other chick in the game (you should remember Radiant you were in it.) because I do really think he is scum but you idiots. I feel like literally everything I am saying is getting ignored and then people say shit like no one even made a case when even the person I'm on even acknowledges I made a case. You know what pissed me off I actually put effort into this game and got scum read for it so fuck you. So that's why I backed off voting him him and went to my secondary scum read calv, Because I was going to fake cop him. I don't give a fuck anymore this game has pissed me off so much. I want to back hand so many people in this game.


GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

yes i did fuck i had like five minutes and rushed i thought he had actually cced cop

WHOOPS

[Mr Meeseeks]

I ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO NOW

STILL PRETTY SURE POSTIE IS SCUM TBH

PLEASE INTO LYNCHING

[Mr Meeseeks]

vote garmr meeseeks

not a chance in hell

[Mr Meeseeks]

....then vote him?

VOTE: radiantcowbells

what kind of guilty? because if youre tellling the truth we can hit two birds with one stone and lynch postie tomorrow, and after those two the last scum would likely be expedience i think

kush is an odd kill though, my guess is either theres a vig and a doctor or scum wants us to think there is

[Mr Meeseeks]

...

UNVOTE:

vigilante, if you do exist, dont claim now, we dont need to know tbh

And I dont think postie is confscum? because theres no way in hell I believe Lapsas cc

on the other band i still believe postie is scummy independent of that so would like to push further

VOTE: postie first off, result please

[Mr Meeseeks]

oh lol you had a fun slot to replace into

id recommend you dont confirm or deny your slots claim since unless postie has a guilty i reckon well be lynching hee today, but its up to you

[Mr Meeseeks]

did postie claim cop?

nope, gunsmith

VOTE: Mr Meseeks

I really don't trust the assumption that that was a vig kill.

oh come on, kush was one of the scummiest players in the game, the only theory i can come up with as to why scum would kill him is slightly weird and screams confbias

also, how did i get from being one of the towniest players to worth voting in a single post? jeez

[Mr Meeseeks]

...

UNVOTE:

vigilante, if you do exist, dont claim now, we dont need to know tbh

And I dont think postie is confscum? because theres no way in hell I believe Lapsas cc

on the other band i still believe postie is scummy independent of that so would like to push further

VOTE: postie first off, result please

i feel like this is enough of a hint

[Mr Meeseeks]

qué?

[Mr Meeseeks]

are you criticising me for being obvious about who i scumread? how is that a bad? or am i missing an implication somewhere

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: Mr Meseeks

I really don't trust the assumption that that was a vig kill.

oh come on, kush was one of the scummiest players in the game, the only theory i can come up with as to why scum would kill him is slightly weird and screams confbias

also, how did i get from being one of the towniest players to worth voting in a single post? jeez

Alternatively, kush wasn't one of the scummiest players in the game.

nnn_thekushmountains (6):

I Am Innocent, acryon, Jake From State Farm, JarJarDrinks, MURDERCAT, RadiantCowbells

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are you criticising me for being obvious about who i scumread? how is that a bad? or am i missing an implication somewhere

It's not obvious at all.

VOTE: acryon

you means its not obvious who i scumread? i am incroyably confused right now

[Mr Meeseeks]

theres a little thing you do in mafia

its called "reading"

what you do is you look at someones posts and what their motivations are by reading

and you know what

i scumread postie by play

thats why i FUCKING VOTED HER

[Mr Meeseeks]

also come on, you cant act like kush isnt a weird kill to come from scum, seriously

like even if you dont think he is one of the scummiest players, you cannot deny that he is definitely not in the "townie enough to kill" part of the game, and hes hardly been pushing his reads enough for accuracy to be a threat

either there is something weird as hell going on and scum are making tactical kills that for some reason meant they should kill a fairly scummy player

or thats a vig shot

[Mr Meeseeks]

fuck

UNVOTE:

[Mr Meeseeks]

postie is town

because thats probably a vig

and you know what makes sense in a setup with a vig

[Mr Meeseeks]

postie is town

because thats probably a vig

and you know what makes sense in a setup with a vig

[Mr Meeseeks]

So you're voting someone who you think is an uncounterclaimed gunsmith because you think they're scummy?

The miscommunication comes from the part where other people expect you to have thought processes that make sense.

oh yeah because scum NEVER LIE about the roles they have

wasnt everyone literally saying that an investigative shouldnt counterclaim postie yesterday? i remember that happening

[Mr Meeseeks]

like, not every game HAS to have an investigative role, you know

[Mr Meeseeks]

basically what im saying is uncounterclaimed investigative does not immediately equal town

now youre trying to hugely discredit my reads which im not fond of

here, hold this

VOTE: expedience

[Mr Meeseeks]

basically what im saying is uncounterclaimed investigative does not immediately equal town

But it does.

no it doesnt

the "real" investigative might have not cced. people were saying they shouldnt before the night ended, and not everyones had a chance to post
sometimes, a game doesnt have an investigative.

now youre trying to hugely discredit my reads which im not fond of

here, hold this

VOTE: expedience

Don't have bad reads then

lol, your reads are hardly better. acryon and calvary? hilarious

youre attacking my play because its easier to do than admit that i might be right. youre not even giving my thoughts a second glance because you can never be wrong and i can never be right. never thought id see elitism from someone who joined the site after i did

[Mr Meeseeks]

like, sure, ive decided shes probably town because gunsmith+vig possibility is high now

but to act like there was

no

chance of her being scum is hilarious and screams that youre trying to grab towncred by reading her as town

like, she was scummy as fuck, thats why she got so close to being lynched in the first place for fucks sake

[Mr Meeseeks]

(also, for full honesty and disclosure, i slightly exaggerated my scumread of her yesterday because that meant that if she was town and didnt get lynched yesterday, it reduced the chances of her being nked)

[Mr Meeseeks]

yeah, gunsmith+vig+doc for town, rb for scum, setup checks out

thatd be my guess (scum attempted to kill ?? who was protected, roleblocked postie for obvious reasons, vig killed kush which makes sense with a gunsmith)

[Mr Meeseeks]

I looked at your thoughts and disagreed with them. There's nothing personal about this.

There's no chance of Postie being scum since she hasn't been counterclaimed.

there was a slight chance

i have seen town get burned before by assuming stuff like this

[Mr Meeseeks]

kush is an odd kill though, my guess is either theres a vig and a doctor or scum wants us to think there is

who did you expect to be killed instead of him?

Glancing at his ISO he hard-defended garmr before the mislynch.
he was very anti-postie for what it's worth. and kinda calvary as well.

yeah but he was AMAZINGLY scummy throughout most of d1 (got to l-1 within a few days, had generally held suspicion on him throughout the day)

id expect scum to have targeted rc because, you know, its rc, postie for the investigative claim (although the reveal that theres likely a roleblock dampens that since rb is a great fun way for scum to simultaneously keep postie alive for a mislynch without risking getting caught by it), or any of the players that were fairly largely townread yesterday (acryon or i).

[Mr Meeseeks]

fuckit, since my reads are all apparently shit and wrong im just gonna sheep

VOTE: calvary

[Mr Meeseeks]

what

how does that not make sense

?????????????????????????????

[Mr Meeseeks]

town gunsmith as investigative
town vig to supply false guilty
town doc because balance

scum rb to prevent follow the cop

[Mr Meeseeks]

like thats a simple, basic normal setup, sounds perfectly balanced and the kind of setup that a mod might do for their first normal steup

[Mr Meeseeks]

yeah, gunsmith+vig+doc for town, rb for scum, setup checks out

thatd be my guess (scum attempted to kill ?? who was protected, roleblocked postie for obvious reasons, vig killed kush which makes sense with a gunsmith)

Last time I was GS town had a vig and scum had a doc.

Doc with GS = godfather with cop

So I don't think ur setup makes much sense.

i dont even get what youre saying is wrong with my theory because it makes perfect sense while youre rambling on about something entirely different

[Mr Meeseeks]

unless you think rc is ascetic (which i hugely doubt considering rc is definitely the type to claim ascetic d1 to avoid this kinda shit happening)

it is literally impossible for there to be a maf doc in this game if you believe posties claim

[Mr Meeseeks]

because postie got roleblocked last night

[Mr Meeseeks]

also, gunsmith with both a town vig and maf doc.... im unsure how balanced that is, that seems incredibly scumsided since it gives them a godfather and a way to protect themselves against the (most likely 1-shot) vigilante, as well as giving the gunsmith two false results

theres a difference between weakening towns power and basically nullfying it

[Mr Meeseeks]

GS + vig + doc would be too much power against a RB

(In this scenario a GS is essentially a cop since with no mafia doc, would get all positive hits on scum)

vigilante acts as a miller with gunsmith, so theres a chance of it getting outed if the gs gets a false result

a roleblocker is plenty of power in this setup

[Mr Meeseeks]

because postie got roleblocked last night

Could be a town JK that protected him/but also RB'd him

Or there is no vig and no doc and he got straight RB'd, while kush was the NK

the chances of there being a gunsmith with no false result-givers is minimal, since thats really the only purpose of using a gunsmith rather than a cop

and with an nk that looks like a vig kill, that possibility seems like the obvious one

[Mr Meeseeks]

hmm, maybe a jk would make sense? but my possibility fits together more sensibly in my head and explains the weird nightkill

[Mr Meeseeks]

also, gunsmith with both a town vig and maf doc.... im unsure how balanced that is, that seems incredibly scumsided since it gives them a godfather and a way to protect themselves against the (most likely 1-shot) vigilante, as well as giving the gunsmith two false results

theres a difference between weakening towns power and basically nullfying it

But if a vig shot doesn't go thru, it's almost like a scum investigation hit.

If there is a vig and their shot didn't go thru, I would suggest a claim.

there is no way that this setup is gs/vig/scumdoc, because that is a scumsided setup, no two ways about it. the vig has an AMAZINGLY small chance of actually hitting scum (because they not only have to hit scum but the scum that isnt being protected), while the gunsmiths results are unreliable in two aspects

and then adding a town rb or jk to that would affect the balance very little either way

[Mr Meeseeks]

GS + vig + doc would be too much power against a RB

(In this scenario a GS is essentially a cop since with no mafia doc, would get all positive hits on scum)

vigilante acts as a miller with gunsmith, so theres a chance of it getting outed if the gs gets a false result

a roleblocker is plenty of power in this setup

Difference between a vig and miller is the vig can prove they're a vig via NKs

Miller you just have to take at their word.

yeah but the difference between a vig and a miller is that a vig wont claim d1 to avoid wasted investigations, and the vig getting outed by the gunsmith will out them both to scum, which could easily screw town over

[Mr Meeseeks]

link me to the game where you said that there was a gs, vig and doc, because that still seems nastily scumsided to me

[Mr Meeseeks]

does the fact that, if your theory is true, this setup is the exact same as another normal passed but with considerably less town power

raise no red flags for you that your theory might be unbalanced

[Mr Meeseeks]

like your theory is that this game has:

scum doc

town 1-shot vig
town gunsmith
town jk

and is balanced

based on a (large, may i add) game with a:

scum doc

town 2-shot vig
3 masons
town gunsmith
town fruit vendor

[Mr Meeseeks]

like, no

if the latter setup is balanced, then the former is sure as hell scumsided

as its kept scum power identical, while taking away a vig shot, 3 masons and a fruit vendor, as well as making the playerlist smaller which amplifies the impact of the false gunsmith results

[Mr Meeseeks]

basically, this setup has a 99% chance of being scum rb, with a town doc, gunsmith and 1-shot vig

setup spec time over, i feel i got sidetracked, i enjoy setup spec a tad too much

[Mr Meeseeks]

plot twist

[Mr Meeseeks]

Mee has a very recent join date and quite frankly, the motivation I see behind his actions read as town with inexperience to it.

im an alt

[Mr Meeseeks]

ircher, dont be vague, fullclaim everything thank you very much

because im not sure to the extent of which i actually believe your claim

[Mr Meeseeks]

although calvary was one of the most stubborn in terms of moving vote off postie

UNVOTE:

still would like fullclaim thanks, what kind of investgative are you?

[Mr Meeseeks]

by the way, the best lynch in this situation is 100% radiantcowbells

so

VOTE: radiantcowbells

[Mr Meeseeks]

yes, for you too ircher

[Mr Meeseeks]

because if ircher is telling the truth both rc and postie are confscum

so if you believe ircher, the best lynch is definitely rc, because it can prove his claim true or false without risking lynching an investigative

[Mr Meeseeks]

and if you dont believe ircher, well

you can try and lynch him i guess

but lynching rc is still a good option

because itll be one town for one scum

without you risking lynching an investigative role if youre wrong

[Mr Meeseeks]

yeah well some ppl this game have shown an incredible ability to miss the obvious so im just putting it all out there straight away rather than their being a big discussion about it

i dont see whats wrong with that

[Mr Meeseeks]

wait

how the fuck are you a deputy

and yet doubt the existence of a cop

???????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Mr Meeseeks]

youve done that thing where you state a bunch of stuff and it makes no sense

were lynching rc today. no two ways about it