Mini 1785: Game Over!

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VOTE: Kush

That feels really fake.

This ^

vote thekushmountains

To both of you: in your experience, are scum trying that blatantly hard to look town as far as saying "excited to be town"?

Uh, fuck yeah?
I don't understand why Kush is particularly excited about playing with Jake again either and it feels insincere.
I wouldn't be surprised if both are scum here.

Can you point me to a game where scum said something like this?

Feels like fake scumhunting

VOTE: acryon

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That vote from Jake is suspicious as fuck. VOTE: Jake

What's suspicious about it?

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@Mr Meeseeks: I vote for people I think are scum, not people I hope are scum. Do you do differently?

So scummy. Obviously the reason you're saying u hope he's scum is cause ur accusing him of being scummy.

Then trying to then throw shade on Meesecks for asking a natural question about it.

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...oh my bod?

if ur @ work/school, DON'T google that.

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Do you honestly not see a difference between: (A) being bothered by someone's perceived unhelpfulness and saying that I hope they are scum because I don't want unhelpful town and (B) thinking someone's unhelpfulness makes them scum?

How can you tell the difference? If I see someone being unhelpful, I give them scumpoints for it.

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: nnn_thekushmountains

That jump on was bad.

I didn't like it either. Seems like pretty noobish scum to sheep so obviously though.

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jarjar makes good points.
VOTE: acyron
The reason why I was excited it because it was scum last game and I do not like being scum.

I think the issue people have is you said I am town and while you are correct people find it impossible for you to actually know this is true.

Oh I didn't get that. Yeah it is pretty shady how he worded that.

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VOTE: BananaCucho

vote: lapsa

why?
why?

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haha yeah... voted for whatshisname without actualyl reading anythign he wrote. But jarjardrinks points against him looked pretty good.

But whathisname defense looked pretty good as well. In fact it made jarjar look kind of bad for the misrepresentation.
So I'll UNVOTE: whathisname.

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb shit to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

who's whathisname?

Also, what misrepresentation?

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I guess a better phrased question would be, anything I should focus on in the last four pages while I skim it?

How haven't you already skimmed it? Its mostly standard RVS, though Lapsa sticks out cause he is trying to get reasons for votes from people and asking a lot of questions. It seems like someone attempting to look like like they are town.

Hasn't looked like standard RVS to me.

And it sounds like you just described normal scumhunting as a reason to read Lapsa as scummy. What about his posts don't look genuine to u?

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lol. THAT is what you call blatantly obvious?

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disagree and voting Lapsa for that is stupid.

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like are players not allowed to agree with the reasons of other players or what

Did u miss this post?

haha yeah... voted for whatshisname without actualyl reading anythign he wrote. But jarjardrinks points against him looked pretty good.

But whathisname defense looked pretty good as well. In fact it made jarjar look kind of bad for the misrepresentation.
So I'll UNVOTE: whathisname.

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb shit to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

Like kush is straight up admitting that his sheep vote was shit so I'm not sure why ur giving acryon a hard time about it.

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VOTE: kush

Like I still wanna know what he's saying I misrepresented. These are the 2 posts I made about acryn:

Spoiler:

VOTE: Kush

That feels really fake.

This ^

vote thekushmountains

To both of you: in your experience, are scum trying that blatantly hard to look town as far as saying "excited to be town"?

Uh, fuck yeah?
I don't understand why Kush is particularly excited about playing with Jake again either and it feels insincere.
I wouldn't be surprised if both are scum here.

Can you point me to a game where scum said something like this?

Feels like fake scumhunting

VOTE: acryon

@Mr Meeseeks: I vote for people I think are scum, not people I hope are scum. Do you do differently?

So scummy. Obviously the reason you're saying u hope he's scum is cause ur accusing him of being scummy.

Then trying to then throw shade on Meesecks for asking a natural question about it.

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Saying that being defensive isn't a scumtell because "town wants to avoid being lynched" is stupid.


Avoiding being lynched is like THE main thing scum is trying to do.

Yeah sure, town doesnt want to be lynched either, but that shouldn't be a high priority at all. IF it is then ur mafia'ing wrong.

Just like most things that are scummy, being overly defensive is either a scum-tell or a bad-townie-tell.

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Defending yourself <> being defensive

I mean, I guess those 2 things are kinda the same. But in the context of mafia, when someone accuses you of being defensive, the implication is that you are being overly defensive against something that doesn't warrant it.

It's pretty clear that this is exactly what Garmr was accusing Mr Meseek of.

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Still dont see Lapsa as scummy. I think this is a bad wagon and is probably gaining so much steam because kush is scum.

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Garmr, what's ur read on kush?

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Lapsa case is garbage. bad lynch.

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jar jar drinks you have just taken spot on my scum reads list congrats.

I'm sure after he flips green you'll say "OMG, JJD must be scum cause he knew Lapsa was town". No, it's cause the case against him is garbage.

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Reason I'm defending Lapsa is cause I believe it's a counterwagon to scum-kush. Furthermore, I don't think any of the reasoning given for him bing scum is good. I see shit like this and it drives me nuts:

I agree on principle that Kush is scum but I want to do Lapsa more.

Can you address my points against Lapsa?

-90 is mind-numbingly awful.
-You have repeatedly resorted to personal attacks.
-Remember when we all talked about the whole defending yourself versus being defensive thing, and how one was NAI and the other is kinda scummy. You fall headlong into the latter.
-You actually haven't even placed a vote this game, and your content reeks of making noise and arguing without trying to get anywhere AKA not scumhunting. I know you're trying to make people look dumb, but MO doesn't appear to includes anything close to scumhunting.

- 90 looked like smart-ass comment to a dumb question.
- half the people in this game have made personal attacks
- not sure how to respond when didnt give a reason he's in the latter
- It's hard to scumhunt when you're being attacked all game. Especially for shitty reasons.



Like yeah, Lapsa isn't exactly being Mr pro-town. But there's no way people are scumreading quite this hard:

VOTE: Lapsa

There's no way this is town.

Quicklynch this.

Nah we are lynching lapsa today since lapsa is obvious scum.

I don't know that I've seen someone that appears more obvscum than Lapsa.

These reads all look contrived as shit.

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Like WTF happened to the kush wagon? He lurks so people just say F it?

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Points against Kush


- Calling Jake town

Hi Jake from State Farm. Excited to be town with you this time.

His explaination was basically that he worded it poorly. But really, what other explianation could he give?

And like, that wasn't even how he responded untill people starting getting on him about it. His first response was trying to sweep it under the rug and pretending that people were getting on him about saying he was excited.

The reason why I was excited it because it was scum last game and I do not like being scum.

Total misdirection.



- Sheeping me.

jarjar makes good points.
VOTE: acyron

Nothing too scummy @ first I thought cause I obviously think the points I made were good. But then he makes this post after people start telling him his sheep vote looked shitty

haha yeah... voted for whatshisname without actualyl reading anythign he wrote. But jarjardrinks points against him looked pretty good.

But whathisname defense looked pretty good as well. In fact it made jarjar look kind of bad for the misrepresentation.
So I'll UNVOTE: whathisname.

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb shit to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

So much wrong with it: First off, no clue about calling acryon whathisname. Pretty sure he hasn't explained that yet.

Then he says he voted for Acryon because of my points w/o actually reading anything he wrote. BUT I QUOTED ACRYON IN THE POSTS I MADE ABOUT HIM. Did he literally just read the bottom portion of my posts and skip what I quoted?

Then he tries to throw shade on me saying I misrepresented. Total nonsense and clearly designed to make ME look bad instead of him.

Then he tries to say he "just did some dumb shit to be invovled". I don't get that at all.



- This post looks LAMIST

I'd rather not decide who I want to put my vote on until I catch up.

No need to tell the town that.



- His defense for not voting me when he accused me of misrepresenting:

Not voting jarjar: I had just put my vote on acyron without fully reading everything. I regretted it and didn't want to do it again. My suspicion was more of an FOS than vote-worthy.
What ever happened to FOS btw?

OK, so what ever happened to this? Has he still not fully read anything cause he didn't follow up at all. IS he gonna vote for me? Is he not scumreading me anymore?

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- Sheeping me.

jarjar makes good points.
VOTE: acyron

Nothing too scummy @ first I thought cause I obviously think the points I made were good. But then he makes this post after people start telling him his sheep vote looked shitty

haha yeah... voted for whatshisname without actualyl reading anythign he wrote. But jarjardrinks points against him looked pretty good.

But whathisname defense looked pretty good as well. In fact it made jarjar look kind of bad for the misrepresentation.
So I'll UNVOTE: whathisname.

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb shit to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

So much wrong with it: First off, no clue about calling acryon whathisname. Pretty sure he hasn't explained that yet.

Then he says he voted for Acryon because of my points w/o actually reading anything he wrote. BUT I QUOTED ACRYON IN THE POSTS I MADE ABOUT HIM. Did he literally just read the bottom portion of my posts and skip what I quoted?

Then he tries to throw shade on me saying I misrepresented. Total nonsense and clearly designed to make ME look bad instead of him.

Then he tries to say he "just did some dumb shit to be invovled". I don't get that at all.

ive already said that sheeping isnt a scumtell because common fucking sense

Did you even read what you quoted????? The very first thing I said was the actual sheeping wasn't scummy. Then I made a whole bunch of points that you completely ignored.

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omg Kush could scum-claim right now and Mr Meeks would be all "not alignment indicative". Of course self meta-ing is scummy. Especially when completely unprompted like that.

- Scum tries to act town
- People still read him as scum
- Scum is all "WTF yo. I'm totally acting like I'm towm. Lemme show you"

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ill be honest

im not exactly townreading kush, at most a very very slight townlean, im having trouble distinguishing between some slight newbieness and actual scumminess

WHAT!?!?

VOTE: Mr Meeseeks

like are players not allowed to agree with the reasons of other players or what

what he has done does not appear to go anything beyond agreeing with someone elses reason and then voting on it

and if that is a scumtell then, well, thats fucking stupid

im sorry its hard to work out what player is being talked about when they exclusively fucking referred to as whathisname

i mean, he said right in that post that he voted because he agreed with jarjardinks points so idk what youre saying

im not saying it was an amazing unrivalled vote, im saying he voted because he agreed with someone elses point as kush has said many times, and acting like that is inherently a bad thing is just silly

that the kush wagon is largely mislead

i dont think that anything he has done at this point is clearly scummy. like, sure hes done some slightly stupid and dim things. but the main points against him i disagree with - see particularly the accusations of him arguing with little reasons etc etc that i disagreed with

i havent seen a convincing case on him beyond "oooh i dont really like this one thing that could be a town mistake i guess but ehh its an easy vote", and definitely no justification for a wagon as big as it is now so soon in the game. it looks like people voting for convenience and going with the crowd as much as anything else, although idk if crowding is really a scum thing or a mislead town thing, but id definitely guess at one scum on there

"town with you" =/= "both town"
"town with you" = "im town and playing with you"
use basic damn reading skills because im getting more and more interested in voting you as every post goes on, you accuse a player of "lurking out" when you have literally a single more post then them and i could just as easily accuse you of lurking out to wait for their wagon to build, and it wouldnt take much effort to find more scummy things in your four existing posts that existed at the time of this
the more i read your kush posts, the more they feel like trying to find any excuse to scumread a player rather than actually scumreading them, you can go up and be my third place scumread now, after Lapsa and acryon

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb **** to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

Oh and for the record kush has been trying to defend himself/do damage control.

Consider me unimpressed.

defending yourself is not a scumtell
defending yourself is not a scumtell

VOTE: lapsa

anything to get rid of that awful kush wagon

- Calling Jake town

Hi Jake from State Farm. Excited to be town with you this time.

His explaination was basically that he worded it poorly. But really, what other explianation could he give?

And like, that wasn't even how he responded untill people starting getting on him about it. His first response was trying to sweep it under the rug and pretending that people were getting on him about saying he was excited.

The reason why I was excited it because it was scum last game and I do not like being scum.

Total misdirection.

as have stated before, disagree with this hugely. if anything, i know for a fact that scum are incredibly careful with their words and would very intentionally avoid something like that in case it was seen as a flip!

any attempt to push this as scummy comes off as unabashed, shameless opportunism to me. like seriously, this is pathetic.

ive already said that sheeping isnt a scumtell because common fucking sense

that is not lamist. like, at all.

and since your entire case seems to be based on him having read those quotes, i dont see how he sheeped bad. he read your post and skimmed over the quotes because its stuff hed already read (that is literally what quotes are, after all), thought it was good and voted, someone did a defence which he saw as not only defending your points but actually making your points look like theyd misrepresented you, and then unvoted to reconsider

SELF META IS NOT FUCKING SCUMMY FOR FUCK'S SAKE

I don't think I've ever hard-defended even a strong townlead quite like that. Let alone someone that "im not exactly townreading".

Like you've been defending him like he's fricken confirmed to you all game and now all of a sudden you're trying to figure out if its "slight newbieness and actual scumminess"???

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im having trouble distinguishing between some slight newbieness and actual scumminess

Like all game you've said over and over that none of these things he's done are scummy.

- Defending yourself isn't scummy
- SHeeping isn't scummy
- self-meta'ing isn't scummy
- Scum aren't loose w/ their words like kush was

So your post is complete bullshit. You shouldn't be having trouble distinguishing between some slight newbieness and actual scumminess cause you've been telling us that he hasn't done anything scummy.

It's not like you've been like "Naw guys, he's just being all noobish". You've been attacking everyone that's went after kush and calling their reasoning shit.

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leaning on acryon scum and not a huge lapsa fan, i believe that garmr is probably town but just struggling a little, and that the kush wagon is largely mislead

3/4 of those could be seen by looking at my iso

so good job asking a useless question in an attempt to look useful

im gonna look more closely at you though as the game unfolds

In Disney world with my family right now so screw you. Clouds opened up tonight and just poured on us, so yeah I'm pretty grumpy and don't care for ur mudslinging about my "attempt to look useful." Ur defense of kush is noted, and most those other reads I'm not impressed with either. So when kush flips scum guess who I'm coming after next. U want to go 1 vs 1 with me, I'll eat u alive dude...

wow

i think someone's town

who you think is scum gosh im so scared of your threat.

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Holy shit. I expected to wake up this morning to see votes pile up on Mr Meeseeks. It's like people completely ignored what I wrote. Or really they ignored what he wrote.

He said that

he's having trouble distinguishing between some slight newbieness and actual scumminess

Please reread his ISO and tell me that he thinks Kush has done anything except be a good little townie. You don't hard-defend someone and attack people for going after them if you think it's is either bad town or scum.

Like he's defense is just "hurr durr, I called him a slight townlean" And nobody questions him further?



@Mr Meeseeks - please point out posts of Kush's that look like slight newbieness please.

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And Kush has now dropped on my scum list simply because I'm confident Mr Meeseeks is scum and I doubt that he would defend his buddy like he has been doing.

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And for my Lapsa read,

I was scum once in a game with Lapsa. I tunneled him for the entire game because his playstyle is easy for scum to attack and noone gave me a 2nd look about it.

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@Mr Meeseeks - please point out posts of Kush's that look like slight newbieness please.

do you want me to spoonfeed you too? jfc

ill do it in a minute, but seriously thats just hilarious that you need it pointing out to you

still waiting

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im having trouble distinguishing between some slight newbieness and actual scumminess

So what you're saying is that those three posts you quoted were posts where you were "having trouble distinguishing between some slight newbieness and actual scumminess"

?

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Eh I mean I do see what Meeseeks is actually saying about kush regarding the newbieness/scumminess. A lot of his posts have this recklessness/messy nature to them that can come across as newbie. Sort of the line between "scum wouldn't actually act this scummy" and being actual scum.

Yeah it makes sense that YOU'D see those posts and think "Hmmm, is this just noobishness or actually scumminess?" It's how I was seeing kush's posts also. But it makes so sense whatsoever for meeks to think that about someone that he's hard-defended all game long.

You saw that stack of posts I quoted right? We're not talking about some offhand soft defense. He made it very clear that he did not want Kush lynched.


But lets look at the 3 things he said he was having trouble distinguishing between newbieness and scumminess:

I am v/la on weekends.

Hi Jake from State Farm. Excited to be town with you this time.

the last sentence is pretty obviously the kind of thing a newbie player would say. like seriously.

So the whole thing about Kush saying he was town with Jake is something that MrMeeks was having trouble with determine if it was scummy huh?
BZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTT. He specifically told us that scum are careful with their words.

as have stated before, disagree with this hugely. if anything, i know for a fact that scum are incredibly careful with their words and would very intentionally avoid something like that in case it was seen as a flip!

any attempt to push this as scummy comes off as unabashed, shameless opportunism to me. like seriously, this is pathetic.

So basically when he saw it, he thought it could be scummy. But anyone else pushing it is "unabashed, shameless opportunism"

haha yeah... voted for whatshisname without actualyl reading anythign he wrote. But jarjardrinks points against him looked pretty good.

But whathisname defense looked pretty good as well. In fact it made jarjar look kind of bad for the misrepresentation.
So I'll UNVOTE: whathisname.

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb shit to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

forgetting the name of someone youre voting, quite a newb thing

This falls into the same as the above. If scum are careful with their words, then forgetting the name of someone you're voting shouldn't be scummy. But ok, that one's not really that bad. This last one though:

I'd rather not decide who I want to put my vote on until I catch up. I'm going to respond to this heat I got on page 6.

explaining what youre doing. newbier players do this a lot, go around explaining a lot of things that they do to make it clear.

Ok so you saw him explain what he was doing and you thought to yourself that it looked scummy but could be noob town? BZZZZZZT again. When I tried to say that him pointing that out was scummy, here's what you said

merely describing something that hes doing is perfectly fine. hell, if he hadnt said this, hed probably be asked about his vote anyway

So why is meeks defending something that he thinks is scummy?


There ya go people, Meeks just posting straight up contradictions regarding his Kush read. I dare someone to tell me that's not scum.

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I Am Innocent

- townread. very few posts but I like most of em. I really like him going after Kush and Meesks. Feels like legit scumhunting

MURDERCAT

- townread. Pointing out Garmrs Daytalk post reads town to me. I got a similiar feeling when he posted that. Ditto pointing out kush's self-meta. I feel like murdercat is very much on the same page as me this game.

Lapsa

- townread. Already posted my thoughts on Lapsa. Let me add that my 2 top scumreads are pushing this wagon.

Calvary

- slight townread. I like how she came in trying to take the focus off Lapsa since that was consuming the whole game @ that point. would like to see more though.

RadiantCowbells

- Null. played a few games w/ RC now and regardless of alignment he pretty much plays the same. I generally get the feeling that RC randomly chooses who to scumread and then pushes it as hard as he can.

Fire Assassin

- null. He really doesn't say much of anything in his posts though that's kinda the way he played as town in the other games I've played w/ him.

Autti

- null slighly scum. Only 1 post w/ any real content and he spent half of it attacking me which I obviously know is a bad push. Rest of that post seemed bad too. Need more content.

nnn_thekushmountains

Only a slight scumread now cause I don't feel like he jives w/ being Mr Meesks scumbuddy. It's just too much hard-defending. Other than that I've thought he was scummy most of the game which I've posted about plenty.

Jake from State Farm

- slight scumread. For the number of posts he has, there's very little content in em. don't have much more than that

acryon

- scumread. Read very scummy to me earlier and then I kinda forgot about him. Just reread his ISO and he does seem to just go w/ town sentiment alot. Like his top scumreads now seem to be Me, Kush and Lapsa. He has very little thoughts of his own.

Garmr

- scumread. Didn't like the "scum have daytalk?" post. Also feels like alot of his interaction w/ Lapsa is calling him a bad player instead of actually scumreading him. Though I'm pretty sure Mr Meesks is scum and garmr seemed to go after him kind of hard earlier. Though that also makes me wonder why garmr isn't concerned that Lapsa is Meeks top scumread. Also, he's also going hard after murdercat who I'm townreading.

Mr Meeseeks

- Top scumread. Reasons already posted.

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meanwhile if I didn't save towns asses in NY193 that would have been a near perfect scum win.

Sorry I couldn't help. I was too busy getting killed by scum on night 1.

But I'll admit that you came through for the town that game. Doesn't make what I said less true.

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My wagons aren't random.

Just stop.

Sure they are. That's why they change at the drop of a hat. I'm sure you *think* you have good reasons, but for how hard you actually read them where one minute you'll call someone confirmed-scum and the next minute you switch to someone else, they can't be taken as serious well thought-out votes.

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Anyway, lynch me if u want people. But u seriously better not lynch Lapsa tomorrow. You look at my readlist and flashlynch Meeks (or Garmr if u want)

And if you're asking yourself: "Why should I listend to JJD?", I'll tell you the results of the five Day 1s I've been part of as town since I joined this site:

- Newbie 1484 - My top scumread got lynched. Flipped scum
- Newbie 1491 - My top scumread got lynched. Flipped scum
- Mini 1720 - My top townread got lynched. Flipped town
- NY 192 - My top scumread got lynched. Flipped scum
- NY 193 - My top townread got lynched. Flipped town

That's not's hyperbole. Feel free to look em up. I have an impeccable day 1 record (though my other days aint too shaggy either).

It may only be a small sample size but there's no reason to think I'm all of a sudden gonna start being wrong. After y'all see me flip town, hang the people @ the bottom of my readlist

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also this:

I was scum once in a game with Lapsa. I tunneled him for the entire game because his playstyle is easy for scum to attack and noone gave me a 2nd look about it.

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thats not a reason to townread someone

null at most

because players that play scummy as town also, shock horror, play scummy as scum

him playing scummy now and having played scummy as town does not immediately mean that him playing scummy makes him town

ive explained this before, that is a bs reason to townread someone if i ever saw it

ok but you said I hadn't given a "single fucking reason". Whether you think it's a good reason or not is immaterial. I posted it cause you lied and said I didnt give any other reason.

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also this:

I was scum once in a game with Lapsa. I tunneled him for the entire game because his playstyle is easy for scum to attack and noone gave me a 2nd look about it.

That just makes it seem like your trying something new with lapsa as a scum mate or lapsa is town while your scum.

If I'm town, what's that make Lapsa?

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I love how not a single person has questioned meeks about his contradictions. I've literally shown how he's attacked people for calling something scummy that he himself believed was scummy and people just show up and are like "Hurr Durr, Bad reads. JJD so scum"

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also this:

I was scum once in a game with Lapsa. I tunneled him for the entire game because his playstyle is easy for scum to attack and noone gave me a 2nd look about it.

Wait so your argument is that scum lapsa presents as obvious scum, and therefore you not tunnelling him makes you town? Wtf. If scum lapsa is obvious, like he is now, then we should Lynch him. Then we should Lynch you next for defending him.

I was scum in a game where Lapsa was town*

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you better trust this guy who still hasnt given a single fucking reasons for lapsa being town besides not liking the reasons why lapsa is scum and lapsa being pushed by his scumreads

Those are good reasons. When a wagon easily forms on someone for shitty reasons, it's usually cause they are town and there's scum pushing it. That's a towntell for me and I've been correct so far in reading it that way in my past games.

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I actually think that post from Autti looks bad too.

I know this is hypocritical because the i am the subject of the read here (but i would point this out for anyone) but you are just changing a read to appease someone who you think is town, blatantly sheeping like that is scummy.

The way he worded it is wierd. Why would it be scummy for Lapsa to change a read to appease someone he THINKS is town? If he only thinks he's town that makes lapsa town too.

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VOTE: jarjar

Looks like the final wagons are forming and even through I'd prefer lapsa I don't think I will get that off today.

Why dont you think you;ll get Lapsa today?

Cause this very much looks to me like you know exactly what I'm gonna flip and are setting up Lapsa for the next mislynch.

[JarJarDrinks]

From everything I read, meseeks is seeming townier. Acyron mindmelded with him.

Jarjar is probably tunneled town

but possibly scum.

I am still happy with where my vote is but I don't think fire assassin is a bad lynch either.

Who am I tunneled on?

[JarJarDrinks]

Why dont you think you;ll get Lapsa today?

[JarJarDrinks]

Like you're implying that you prefer Lapsa but will settle for me. Why don't you think u can get Lapsa?

[JarJarDrinks]

Wait, you're voting for me because you don't think a Lapsa lynch is possible? But now you're switching to Cal? So you think a Cal lynch is more possible than a Lapsa lynch?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Garmr


- I don't believe his Lapsa read at all. Like he says that Lapsa is a "worthless piece of shit" in all his games. I saw no evidence of Garmr trying to sort whether or not he's actually scum or just playing to the meta read he has. I've already stated how I don't like any of the reasons for voting Lapsa.

But Garmrs reasons were especially bad. His original reason was that lapsa was "testing the waters for a RC wagon". Lapsa was simply asking RC why he was voting for acryon @ that point. Totally contrived. Garmr was just blind-sheeping @ that point.

And I think the fact that he keeps insulting Lapsa's play points to him knowing that he's arguing with town. Why would he keep running down a player that he believes is scum? It's not like he's saying "Unless you're scum, you suck". He's continually telling Lapsa how terrible he is.



- I see his buddying to Fire as scummy. Especially how he kept talking about how "one of us will eventually land scum". Also telling Lapsa that he's "afraid of me and fire working together" is laughable. I also see no reason why he was town-reading fire. Again, very contrived.



- What the fuck happened to his scumread on Mr Meeseeks? It seemed like a pretty strong read in 177 and then barely another mention of it. Looks like scum on scum to me.

Like he makes this big case on Meeks and drops a vote on him and then just goes back to focusing on Lapsa.



- He just gave up on the Lapsa Lynch so easily to switch to me saying that he didnt think he'd be able to get Lapsa lynched. Even though Lapsa was "obvious scum". Like @ one point he basically said that town didn't even need to discuss Lapsa anymore because of how obvious he was and we should focus on his scumbuddies instead. Just more contrived bullshit.

And now he's back to Lapsa. SO what changed that makes him think he can get Lapsa lynched now?



- Furthermore, aside from Meeks (who he only scumread for a minute then ignored him) I totally disagree w/ the people he's attacking: myself (obviously), Lapsa, mrurdercat and Calvary are all people I'm pretty much townreading.

[JarJarDrinks]

Agree w/ meeks that his comment should have been read as him sarcasticly saying "of course im an alt"

And if there was any confusion, this next reponse should have read the same

i have no idea what you mean what is an "alt"

Thought it was pretty obvious he was just saying "Yes I'm an alt and I don't wanna talk about it"

[JarJarDrinks]

well to be honest nobody asked you where you stand on this matter

Did I somehow imply that I was asked?

i'm not interested in discussing this anymore

You seemed to have alot to say about something ur not interested in discussing.

because quite frankly I don't care what you all think about my opinion on the matter and I certainly don't care about any of yours.

Wierd that you don't care about my opinion on the matter. Is it just me in particular or do you not care what anyone else thinks about it?

He lied and has been proven untrustworthy to me and that's all that matters.

I mean, I'm still scumreading him so I'm not gonna say he's trustworthy or anything. But the alt thing in a non-issue.

[JarJarDrinks]

If you're not interested in discussing it then why bring it up?

[JarJarDrinks]

Well doesn't this vote ring opportunistic with bull shit reasoning.

What exactly is opportunistic about it?

Also feel free to point out any flaws in the reasoning. Calling it "bull shit reasoning" isn't a defense.

[JarJarDrinks]

That fact you waited till I unvoted you to switch your vote.

Bwahahaha. If I voted for you when you were voting for me, u would have called me scummy for OMGUSing.

But go ahead, please tell me how waiting for you to unvote before casting my vote for you is beneficial to me as scum.

Also I debunked pretty much everything you threw at me but you ignored it because if you started debating it you would lose your excuse to vote me.

I actually did miss that post of yours where u responded so my bad, you did actually defend yourself. I'll respond to ur points in a bit.

[JarJarDrinks]

Anyways, we aren't lynching you today I don't think so I guess I'll have to move my vote sooner or later.

Don't see why U'd think garmr can't be lynched today.

[JarJarDrinks]

Plus I don't think kush will get lynched.

Is that why Jake should move his vote of kush or is it cause ur townreading him?

[JarJarDrinks]

Garmr, want to switch this up to JarJar?
VOTE: JarJarDrinks
Not down for a Calvary lynch today, maybe tomorrow.

Is this your case against me?

I am thinking JarJar looks suspicious, ill dig into them later.

[JarJarDrinks]

Jake, I'll save you the time:

Garmr is scumreading me because I think Lapsa is town.

[JarJarDrinks]

called lapsa town and are attacking people on his wagon. It seems like a shitty attempt at trying to look town and winning lapsa over.

The people were jumping on his wagon for shitty reasons and deserved to be attacked.

[JarJarDrinks]

you offered nothing to say he was town

Spoiler:

Reason I'm defending Lapsa is cause I believe it's a counterwagon to scum-kush. Furthermore, I don't think any of the reasoning given for him bing scum is good. I see shit like this and it drives me nuts:

I agree on principle that Kush is scum but I want to do Lapsa more.

Can you address my points against Lapsa?

-90 is mind-numbingly awful.
-You have repeatedly resorted to personal attacks.
-Remember when we all talked about the whole defending yourself versus being defensive thing, and how one was NAI and the other is kinda scummy. You fall headlong into the latter.
-You actually haven't even placed a vote this game, and your content reeks of making noise and arguing without trying to get anywhere AKA not scumhunting. I know you're trying to make people look dumb, but MO doesn't appear to includes anything close to scumhunting.

- 90 looked like smart-ass comment to a dumb question.
- half the people in this game have made personal attacks
- not sure how to respond when didnt give a reason he's in the latter
- It's hard to scumhunt when you're being attacked all game. Especially for shitty reasons.



Like yeah, Lapsa isn't exactly being Mr pro-town. But there's no way people are scumreading quite this hard:

VOTE: Lapsa

There's no way this is town.

Quicklynch this.

Nah we are lynching lapsa today since lapsa is obvious scum.

I don't know that I've seen someone that appears more obvscum than Lapsa.

These reads all look contrived as shit.

And for my Lapsa read,

I was scum once in a game with Lapsa. I tunneled him for the entire game because his playstyle is easy for scum to attack and noone gave me a 2nd look about it.

my 2 top scumreads are pushing this wagon.

[JarJarDrinks]

There's nothing scummy about thinking a player is town and looking for scum on that persons wagon. Wtf is wrong with you garmr?

And like, How is he voting for me when that's his only reason when he has suppoedly has such strong townreads on other people.

@everyone it's obvious that lapsa is scum and should be the lynch today but who do you think are his scum buddies.

Because I just just dropped the best case all game.

^^--this was for Calvary

VOTE: Lapsa

I'm not voting anyone else this entire game till his lynched.

This shows that he his reads are contrived. He acts so confident of his reads and when they don't take off he just moves on to someone else.

[JarJarDrinks]

Just need to point this one out again:

@everyone it's obvious that lapsa is scum and should be the lynch today but who do you think are his scum buddies.

I can't be the only person that thinks this post is scummy as fuck.

[JarJarDrinks]

called lapsa town and are attacking people on his wagon. It seems like a shitty attempt at trying to look town and winning lapsa over.

The people were jumping on his wagon for shitty reasons and deserved to be attacked.

Attacked? Weird choice of words.

Then talk to your pal garmr since he's the one that said it.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm not doing Autti today.

Lapsa/JJD are my big picks still.

Why not

He didn't randomly choose to scumread Autti.

[JarJarDrinks]

Also I debunked pretty much everything you threw at me but you ignored it because if you started debating it you would lose your excuse to vote me.

I actually did miss that post of yours where u responded so my bad, you did actually defend yourself. I'll respond to ur points in a bit.

Ok, I guess I'll respond now but your points are completely empty.

-lapsa accused me of being bad first you ignore this because it's convenient.

Huh? What does him attacking you have to do with anything. You've berated him non-stop about how bad of a player he is instead of accusing him of doing anything scum-motivated.

-Fire was the one who approached me first so how am I quote on quote buddying him. Also yes I do think he is town and that talk about scum was testing his response so I could get a better grasp on him.

Again, who cares who did what first? Your town-read of fire seems totally contrived. And pointing out how eventually one of u will land scum is scummy.

-Fucking pointed out that my scum read on mr meek drifted away. Are you fucking incompetent.

Oh I guess since you pointed it that you did something scummy, it get's negated?

-maybe because lapsa pissed me off he went up my priorties.

way to not actually address my point. Why did you move your vote OFF Lapsa who you called "obvious scum"?

-Your entire case is so fucking contrived it's not fucking funny.

Is acting angry and cursing supposed to make you more right?

[JarJarDrinks]

also please answer:

But go ahead, please tell me how waiting for you to unvote before casting my vote for you is beneficial to me as scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

If anyone voting for me (or not voting for me) has questions or any points to make, please do so.

I don't think anyone has given any reason for me being scum aside from townreading Lapsa.

[JarJarDrinks]

And when I flip town will you pubically appoligize and lynch lapsa?

Why Lapsa and not the person who you're voting for?

[JarJarDrinks]

If I voted for you when you were voting for me, u would have called me scummy for OMGUSing.

But go ahead, please tell me how waiting for you to unvote before casting my vote for you is beneficial to me as scum.

im fairly sure you just answered your own question here before even asking it

Um, I guess you're implying that I waited because I didn't want to look scummy and that makes me scummy?

Please explain to me in what manner I should have voted garmr for you to not think it was scummy? Sound to me like it wouldn't matter if I waited or not.

theres various other things.

cool, what are they? I'd like to be able to respond to something.

[JarJarDrinks]

Hey Garmr:

And when I flip town will you pubically appoligize and lynch lapsa?

Why Lapsa and not the person who you're voting for?

[JarJarDrinks]

Happy with seeing a Lapsa or JJD lynch in my absence.

Lapsa/JJD are my big picks still.

Lapsa/JJD my two top scumread.

That said, I'm quite confident in my Lapsa and JJD scumreads.

I already caught scum. there's not much left for me to do.

I'm willing to reevaluate you if you do something warranting a townread but as is pretty sure you're scum with JJD, yeah.

You're really doing a bang up job RC. I was wrong. You're a very strong player.



See if I didn't have a meta read of you being terrible as town, I'd scumread you for having such terrible reads w/o giving any reason.

But I'll just hope this is just your normal town self. Complete garbage.

[JarJarDrinks]

You think Lapsa/JJD/Calvary is scum team?

He's so bad

[JarJarDrinks]

...while useless scum fucks can derp around.

WHo is this referring to?

[JarJarDrinks]

it's day 1 bro!!!!!
I think autti is the best lynch.

Who would be your 2nd choice?

[JarJarDrinks]

RC randomly chooses who to scumread and then pushes it as hard as he can.

[JarJarDrinks]

I've played several games now with RadiantCowbells and here's the list of reasons to think he's good at mafia:

- He tells people that he's good at mafia

[JarJarDrinks]

Interaction between RC and me in the last game I played.

I am not tolerating any lynches besides a Ricastle lynch today.

cool story bro

All the skeevy sons of bitches are pushing the lynch away from him.
The people that I like are pushing the lynch towards him.

After he flips town, u gonna say that the people pushing the lynch away from him were just doing it for the towncred?

I'll let u guys guess what Ricastle flipped as. I have no idea why anybody would ever pay attention to anything RC says.

[JarJarDrinks]

JJD, why do you keep bringing up how bad RC is? What does that have to do with if she's scum?

Because he keeps telling people that I'm scum and for some reason people actually listen to him.

Did I ever say or imply that he's scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

I have never seen anything noteworthy from you.

Only played like 5 or 6 games but I'll look through em and get you my resume if you want.

Spoilier Alert: I fuggen DOMINATED them.

[JarJarDrinks]

oh i thought you were implying it from this quote.

RC randomly chooses who to scumread and then pushes it as hard as he can.

nope. if U click the link that comes from, it's clear that I'm saying that he always plays that way.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like JJD clearly knows that I'm a pretty fucking good player and he's just sitting there BMing me.

that's scum.

If I'm town right now does that prove that ur a horrible player?

[JarJarDrinks]

[JarJarDrinks]

Yeah the game I was scum and replaced out, the scum team shot u N1 over the claimed seer. You were very good with ur reads that game from my memory.

heh, this post makes me think IAI is scum and my reads this game are shit.

[JarJarDrinks]

ad h

lol sure. What other type of defense can I give when the case against me is "JJD is Scum"?

[JarJarDrinks]

ad h

lol sure. What other type of defense can I give when the case against me is "JJD is Scum"?

I think this post is suspicious.

Of course Jakes replacement is gonna scum read me.

But hey @ least you actually posted something I can respond to:


Kush is calling me out for attacking RadiantCowbells as a mafia player instead of arguing that I'm not scum. But the problem there is that RC had not given any real reason and just kept repeating "JJD is scum". So the only thing I can possibly say to refute RCs "case" on me is to make sure everyone is aware of how bad he is at reading scum.

Like pretend you know for a fact that I'm town. What else can I possibly say?

[JarJarDrinks]

also expedience, I think you should trust ur predecessor and lynch garmr.

[JarJarDrinks]

We all have our on and off games jarjar but judging from our on games rc and I have at least demonstrated the ability to play above average sometimes (I'm hit or miss and I acknowledge this)

I have never seen anything noteworthy from you.

Then why did you say this?

Lapsa case is garbage. bad lynch.

are you scum or just not very smart?

I don't think jar jar is garbage as a player so I would lean scum.

If I'm not garbage, and I'm not above averarage then I'm.... what?

Looks like I'm whatever best fits your agenda at the time.

[JarJarDrinks]

Why? I think he made the account so he could play differently.

This is a wierd train of thought. You're saying that Postie shouldn't trust her meta read of fire because he possibly made an alt account so he can act differently?

[JarJarDrinks]

Now, can we get more votes on JarJar?

Is this your case against me?

I am thinking JarJar looks suspicious, ill dig into them later.

[JarJarDrinks]

@Garmr/Meesks

If I get lynched and flip town then who do you lynch next?

[JarJarDrinks]

And for my Lapsa read,

I was scum once in a game with Lapsa. I tunneled him for the entire game because his playstyle is easy for scum to attack and noone gave me a 2nd look about it.

Basically saying he once hard bussed lapsa and what's funny if lapsa flips town I bet he expects that this will reflect well on him.

It wasn't a bus. I already corrected that post because I worded it badly:

also this:

I was scum once in a game with Lapsa. I tunneled him for the entire game because his playstyle is easy for scum to attack and noone gave me a 2nd look about it.

Wait so your argument is that scum lapsa presents as obvious scum, and therefore you not tunnelling him makes you town? Wtf. If scum lapsa is obvious, like he is now, then we should Lynch him. Then we should Lynch you next for defending him.

I was scum in a game where Lapsa was town*

So in other words Lapsa was town and I went after him as scum. Therefore I think that people jumping on Lapsa early are scummy.

[JarJarDrinks]

okay so

dont worry, my jarjar scumread is still in place, nothing could make me lose it

his attitude always looked like deciding someone's alignment and then shoving excuses to read them that way afterwards, his iso is filled with lying and discrediting and myriad other problems

but the big thing that was bugging me was would he

really

put that much effort into defending a scum partner playing like lapsa

so heres my theory

i got it the wrong way around in terms of kush/lapsa

lapsa is town, and jarjar is hard defending what could easily have been an easy lynch for towncred
kush is scum, and jarjar was pushing him for towncred when he was getting close to lynching

now, at first this seemed bizarre, but more things started to stick out the more i thought about it

jarjars timing on the wagon seems fair enough - fourth vote on, and very soon after jake had placed the third vote, despite a considerable buildup to potentially scumreading him already
kush has had antagonism and general dislike towards jarjar - but never a scumread or a vote
jarjars vote went off kush after kushs wagon went from 6 voters to 3, and then jarjars supposedly strong scumread on kush disappeared - at a brief glance, he hasnt mentioned it for ages
jarjars push on me for defending kush - because kush actually is scum, itd be surprisingly easy to make me look bad

the main thing that pinged me and made me go "oh shit" was when i made that post and kushs reply to it - anyone reading it can see that my better points are against jarjar, but kush attacked it and attempted to convince me that my innocent read is better and that i should vote him (by saying that it was scummy for me to not vote innocent after that) and that made me think "shit, maybe hes trying to get votes off his partner?"

(in addition, ive not really been pinged by a lot of lapsas more recent posts while a lot of kushs recent posts bugged me but eh)

so to sum up:

lapsa is probably town
jarjar is still scum
kush is actually scum not town imo
innocent im now leaning on not being scum
unsure on who the third scum is, but i want to say jake/expedience slot rn i think

This is almost convincing me you're town. That's a totaly logical thought process if you're convinced that I'm scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

the main thing that pinged me and made me go "oh shit" was when i made that post and kushs reply to it - anyone reading it can see that my better points are against jarjar, but kush attacked it and attempted to convince me that my innocent read is better and that i should vote him (by saying that it was scummy for me to not vote innocent after that) and that made me think "shit, maybe hes trying to get votes off his partner?"

This in particular seems like really hard to fake townie paranoia.

[JarJarDrinks]

So meeks, my next question to u is does scum-kush only make sense to u if I'm scum? Cause I know I'm town. Maybe Kush attacked you because he thought there was a good chance I'd get hanged and then wanted you to look bad when I flipped.

[JarJarDrinks]

yo meseeks is town af.

jjd lets say you're town. hoh scum tho?

Garmr, acryon maybe kush.

[JarJarDrinks]

garmrm is town

really dont think so

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Cavalry

JarJar, vote Cavarly as well or you could be lynched because you are a competing wagon.

Don't like this post at all. Don't worry, I'm aware of where the votes are now and obviously If it comes down to me vs Cavalry (or any player), I'll vote out of self preservation since I'm 100% sure of my own allegiance.

But I don't like being told I better vote someone or risk getting lynched.

[JarJarDrinks]

acryon may notb e town but

im not voting v/la

VOTE: calvary

acryon has posted more recently than calvary. Explain urself.

[JarJarDrinks]

Regarding meeseeks, those consprcy theories are easier for mafia to fake than people realize. I'm gonna have to re-read it.

Reread it yet?

Also can u think of any scum motivation for him to put forth that theory and basically flipflop his read of you and Lapsa?

Cause to me, it looks like a natural thought progression of someone that is tunneled on me being scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

I think this Calvary wagon is bad. I think Garmr's jump on is bad. I think I am Innocent's vote on Calvary is bad too. I don't understand why lapsa is putting a wagon at L-1 if they are replacing out. I'm worried about Garmr, fire, and I am innocent right now.

Youthink I'm scum and fires scum so I know you are fail in this game maybe you will have better game next time.

Are u townreading murdercat?

[JarJarDrinks]

Considering I had 20 pages to read through, I am going to avoid a wall and instead just do a sort of stream of consciousness as I read through.
Still feel good about Cavalry.

608 from Garmr is bad. I would give MURDERCAT townpoints for 609 but it’s honestly probably something I would say as either alignment.

Some of the Garmr/Fire back and forth feels bad. Doesn’t feel like two townies. Specifically 616 really pings. Honestly a bit unsure if it feels like Garmr-scum or Garmr-town being led by Fire-scum.

Lapsa still scum (635), which makes me think Garmr is in fact town, since the back and forth between them is hard to accept as SvS.

Jake is giving me bad vibes in most of his posts since my catch-up. 688 is especially bad, but other people seemed to have jumped on that already.

MURDERCAT feeling like town, and I agree with 705 re: Autti, although at this point there wasn’t enough to sway me.

Nevermind on Jake. Exp is town.

I want to say I like Autti’s replacement, but the readslist in 1015 is so backwards from my reads. Not enough time for this today, but town should engage this slot tomorrow.

Lapsa still scum. Not sure how the wagon dissipated, but there’s still time for people to get back on it. Cavalry wagon is horrible. Everyone get off. MURDERCAT is town. No one that has voted him had a good reason at all.

Uggh, can't we just lynch Garmr today instead of waiting till after Lapsa flips town?

[JarJarDrinks]

Garmr is town regardless of Lapsa's flip.

You seem to have changed ur read of me somewhat RC.

JarJarDrinks (4):

RadiantCowbells, Mr Meeseeks, Fire Assassin, Garmr

Is scum on my wagon?

[JarJarDrinks]

I think lapsa jumping onto the wagon of Calvary when a majority of people he is scum reading are pushing it is a sign that lapsa is scum and only cares about lynching someone today (Calvary for town cred if you think Calvary is scum like me/Lynching a townie if you think calv is town)

Yet JJD pretends not to notice the contradiction

Not sure what you want me to say about it. Or why you're just targetting me as opposed to the other people townreading lapsa.

Why not say "MURDERCAT pretends not to notice the contradiction" or "Kush pretends not to notice the contradiction" ?

Though to answer: Lapsa requested replacement so I have no idea if that was even a real vote or not. Didn't seem worth addressing

[JarJarDrinks]

Doesn't take much to figure out lapsa is scum and is jumping at a lynch that isn't him. I guess when you willingly wear the blindfold of bias you start failing at hunting and missing basic scum tells and become a tool for scum.

Is what you're saying here that Lapsa only cares about making sure that he's not in the noose. And that he's willing to see his teammate hang because he doesn't actualy care about winning?

Or are you saying that he's so blind that he doesn't realize that Calvary is his scumbuddy?

Or something else?

If you look through my iso instead of skimming it and looking for things to twist into scum points(which is your job as scum). You could see my natural progression on the murdercat read.

I looked through your ISO. I just wanted it on record that you're now townreading murdercat.

[JarJarDrinks]

I think lapsa jumping onto the wagon of Calvary when a majority of people he is scum reading are pushing it is a sign that lapsa is scum and only cares about lynching someone today (Calvary for town cred if you think Calvary is scum like me/Lynching a townie if you think calv is town)

Yet JJD pretends not to notice the contradiction

Not sure what you want me to say about it. Or why you're just targetting me as opposed to the other people townreading lapsa.

Why not say "MURDERCAT pretends not to notice the contradiction" or "Kush pretends not to notice the contradiction" ?

Though to answer: Lapsa requested replacement so I have no idea if that was even a real vote or not. Didn't seem worth addressing

Wow you are so full of bullshit.

ignored my question.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'd compromise lynch Fire.

[JarJarDrinks]

2) jarjar has spent a lot of his time complaining that noone has given proper reasons for him, he claimed he used ad hom against rc because there were "no reasons beyond hes scum" and in this post he said hed love to hear my other reasons so he could respond to them and ive given more reasons since then and WHAT DO YOU KNOW he looked straight past them and entirely ignored them which is wonderufl

But you didn't really say anything. Basically everything after that post was attacking me for calling RC bad.

The only other point you made was this, which I'll address:

JJD, why do you keep bringing up how bad RC is? What does that have to do with if she's scum?

Because he keeps telling people that I'm scum and for some reason people actually listen to him.

quote a single person who has voted you because of rc. i know that i at the very least came to this read independent of him

I guess that does look like I'm implying that RC actively got people to vote for me. That's not what I meant. All I was saying is that RC is a player that people seem to listen to and respect the opinion of and I was trying to let people know that they shouldn't do so.

And it's evident that people will listen to RC since he just hard scumreads people and gives barely any reason to do so and nobody questions him about it. If Random Joe Mafiaplayer did shit like that, he's be getting scumread for it by everyone.


Are there any other points U made that u feel I'm dodging?

[JarJarDrinks]

If only there was some way of increasing the amount of time in the day phase so we could wagon Firebringer instead, that would make everyone happy.

We can try.

VOTE: Firebringer

[JarJarDrinks]

Garmr is town regardless of Lapsa's flip.

You seem to have changed ur read of me somewhat RC.

JarJarDrinks (4):

RadiantCowbells, Mr Meeseeks, Fire Assassin, Garmr

Is scum on my wagon?

Cmon RC. I refuse to believe there's no scum voting for me there. I'm kinda townreading meseeks now. Ur not scum right? I'd still prefer Garmr.

[JarJarDrinks]

Tell me why Garmr is town.

[JarJarDrinks]

Is it frustrating thinking I would be a easy lynch. Many scum make that mistake and then they end up caught in my web.

You have so many posts like this that are clearly designed to be over the top. This way you can use the defense that you would never push so hard on someone you know is gonna flip town.

I'm so positive that u can't possible be that sure of ur reads, I'm willing to martyr to prove it.

So calling you out right now: We lynch me today and if I flip town then tomorrow you walk into the noose, no questions asked. If I flip red then grats, you killed scum.

DO YOU ACCEPT?

[JarJarDrinks]

for real dude.. the game has more than just you two.

So? He's not gonna accept.

[JarJarDrinks]

Acyron looking scummy to me here.
His defense of calvary is over the top.
This is at least the second time he's mentioned voting calvary to avoid the NL. This feels like he's playing the pro-town card.

I kinda feel this too. I'd compromise on Acryon as well.

[JarJarDrinks]

Hey Fire:

I don't want Calvary lynched today.
I will fight this wagon to the death!

How about Calvary?

???

Any explanation?

[JarJarDrinks]

I asked what a person thought about Calvary, do you know what the even means?

Just reread that page and yeah that does seem what you were doing.

I assumed by expe posting that when he did that it was a quote of you asking people if they'd be down for a calvary lynch. Agree that it doesn't seem to be the case.

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OK just ISO'd Postie and she's kinda scummier than I thought. I might compromise on her.

[JarJarDrinks]

So no, you are plain wrong. I was trying to see what others thought about them. That was all.

Right. I already agreed w/ this.

[JarJarDrinks]

Maybe I worded it badly but yeah I'm saying that Expedience's post made it look like that quote was you wanting a Calvary lynch.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Postie

[JarJarDrinks]

Didn't we get an extension?

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Also

L-1

I think.

[JarJarDrinks]

@mod replace me

Mod. Is Lapsa being replaced?

[JarJarDrinks]

Claim sounds fake. I'll let her catchup and posts stuffs but I say we hang her regardless.

[JarJarDrinks]

Claim sounds fake. I'll let her catchup and posts stuffs but I say we hang her regardless.

why

Why do I think it sounds fake? First off, mafia is more likely to claim PR IMO. I find it convenient that she's not just a VT.

Also I don't like how she was all "dissect the wagon" as if to imply that her claiming means we auto-move our votes.

[JarJarDrinks]

hey RC, notice how Garmr totally disappeared once the postie wagon started.

[JarJarDrinks]

Why do I think it sounds fake? First off, mafia is more likely to claim PR IMO. I find it convenient that she's not just a VT.

This is silly reasoning that will have us end up with all our PRs lynched.

I'll agree that I'm still suspicious but we can't lynch Postie today.

So what you're saying is you've given up on lynching scum today? Cause all scum has to do is claim PR and we don't lynch em right?

[JarJarDrinks]

I mean I agree with you guys that I think she's probably scum, but still it's optimal play to wait to lynch her.

First half of ur sentence disagrees w/ the second.

[JarJarDrinks]

not CCing

[JarJarDrinks]

It's purely a read based on the post where she claimed.

[JarJarDrinks]

I've been asleep.

postie

what on earth have you been doing sleeping between 3 pm and 8 pm in the afternoon/evening

And like, how much time does she need to catch up on the 3 pages she missed?

Now give me some time to catch up properly please and dissect the wagon on me please.

I feel like the other scummies were all like "Dude claim". And she just showed up to drop a claim and then peaced out.

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JJD I wonder if you want to lynch so bad because you know you could be next.

Well somewhat sure. I know that lynching me is a mislynch so that's obviously something I don't want. Though I really haven't felt like it's ME who would be next anyway.

But I believe that Postie is Scum w/ Garmr. Not sure who else is scum w/ em but odds are it's not gonna be someone that we lynch today (since for some reason people don't want to lynch Garmr).

I just dont want to lynch town.

[JarJarDrinks]

Idk anymore: JarJarDrinks / Lapsa /

Garmr

What's changed about ur Garmr read?

[JarJarDrinks]

Hey garmr got anything to say about postie?

[JarJarDrinks]

Hey garmr got anything to say about postie?

She's probably a gunsmith. Gunsmith isn't exactly a role I would fake claim. It also means town has probably got power roles with guns as well.

What specifically is it about the role that makes it bad for fake-claiming?

[JarJarDrinks]

Hey garmr got anything to say about postie?

She's probably a gunsmith. Gunsmith isn't exactly a role I would fake claim. It also means town has probably got power roles with guns as well.

What specifically is it about the role that makes it bad for fake-claiming?

Question: if Postie is telling the truth, is that likely our only investigative role?
Question: if Postie is lying, will Postie make it to end game
Question: whether Postie is telling the truth or not, can we still lynch scum D1 if we vote someone else out D1?

It's D1. Games are not won on D1. If Postie is lying, we'll figure it out. If he's telling the truth then that would be crushing to lose our likely only investigative role. It's just never a good move.

My suggestion, if u think Postie is scum vote someone u think is a scum mate. If you don't, look at people on posties wagon, and/or people still pushing his wagon post claim. To me that's Calvary or kush. JJDs push post claim feels too bold for scum.

FYI, what you quoted isn't me trying to convince people that it's a fake-claim. I'm asking why garmr is trying to use the claim itself as a reason to think that it's legit.

Like why is gunsmith specifically bad to claim as scum cause it sounds like a bullshit reason.

Like I ask Garmr his thoughts on postie and he doesn't mention anything about how he's reading her. Just: "probs a gunsmith"

[JarJarDrinks]

Hey garmr got anything to say about postie?

She's probably a gunsmith. Gunsmith isn't exactly a role I would fake claim. It also means town has probably got power roles with guns as well.

What specifically is it about the role that makes it bad for fake-claiming?

It's a role mafia would want to kill and that will look bad as time goes on there are better fake claims.

Unless I'm missing something, a Gunsmith is a pretty much a Cop. Difference is he gets mixed results from vigs while normal cops get mixed results from framers or godfathers.

So you believe that cop isn't a role that scum would want to fakeclaim?


(Someone tell me if I'm missing something about the gunsmith role)

[JarJarDrinks]

Gunsmith can't pick up mafia docs as well

Wierd, can mafia docs attack?

But yeah that seems to be about the same as a cop. So why would Garmr think that it would be a bad fake-claim?

[JarJarDrinks]

Shit guys, what are we doing? Deadline is coming up and the current wagons suck.

garmr?

[JarJarDrinks]

more reason to think garmr and postie are scum buddies:

- A wagon apears on postie and garmr isn't around for the whole day so he never has to give his opinion on it.

- Postie claims and the wagon starts to break up and people are looking for a new wagon.

- That's when Garmr shows up

We can do a jjd lynch?

not even acknowledging the postie wagon or claim or anything about it

- So I specifically ask:

Hey garmr got anything to say about postie?

She's probably a gunsmith. Gunsmith isn't exactly a role I would fake claim.

- So basically he believes that postie is a PR but doesn't feel the need to say anything about the people still on the wagon.

Like shouldn't he be screaming "JarJar wants to lynch the town Gunsmith!!!"?

See I think he doesn't want to do that cause he knows that I'm voting for scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

Pretty sure there's no way we get Garmr, that's why I moved off.

IDK, I'm pretty sure RC thinks postie is scum even if he doesn't want to vote her. So maybe he'll buy into my above theory.

[JarJarDrinks]

gonna try. I don't like lynching anyone else that currently has votes on em right now (aside from postie).

VOTE: Garmr

[JarJarDrinks]

I think the fact that you are pushing it will put a lot of people off

Who's even scumreading me anymore? Just Fire and Garmr pretty much.

Meeks is but he seems to have a few people ahead of me now.

[JarJarDrinks]

Pretty sure there's no way we get Garmr, that's why I moved off.

"we"

Vote Cavalry because most votes.

50% scum

[JarJarDrinks]

Like there non chance in hell I vote calvary w/ postie and Garmrs votes sitting on him.

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@Expe, are you against a garmr lynch?

[JarJarDrinks]

@Expe, are you against a garmr lynch?

Yes, I thought I already made this clear

If u did, it wasn't anytime recent. People change reads

[JarJarDrinks]

so can we decide on 2 wagons so i can pick one?

vote garmr?

[JarJarDrinks]

so can we decide on 2 wagons so i can pick one?

vote garmr?

jarjar or calv.

U taking me up on my offer?

[JarJarDrinks]

jarjar only has one vote and I'd pick calv over him.

Any reason ur avoiding saying anything about garmr?

[JarJarDrinks]

Really don't think Garmr is town atm.

Spoiler:

[JarJarDrinks]

That's me saying hallelujah if people didn't get that

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm the town cop you fucking ret****. The gunsmith is probably there to work with my role.

work with your role?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Postie

Cop + GS would never have passed review.

I think it's pretty obvious that those 2 roles wouldn't be in the game together.

Apparently not to this guy though:

She's probably a gunsmith

Like he should have immediately scumread postie after that claim.

[JarJarDrinks]

I even fucking crumbed I was going to investigate jar jar tonight

where?

[JarJarDrinks]

That's a crumb that is so obvious, a monkey can understand it?

[JarJarDrinks]

We can do a jjd lynch?

Why post this after u decided u were gonna investigate me?

[JarJarDrinks]

Yeah. I'm actually wondering if Garmr is maybe a scumbuddy who thinks no one is CCing so they decided to claim and bus and get towncred from it?

That's actually a good call.

[JarJarDrinks]

Weren't you worried that I'd show up green and people would wonder why you dropped ur hardcore scumread of me making it obvious u were cop?

[JarJarDrinks]

Weren't you worried that I'd show up green and people would wonder why you dropped ur hardcore scumread of me making it obvious u were cop?

You wouldn't show up green.

So why waste an investigation on me?

[JarJarDrinks]

Why come clean?

[JarJarDrinks]

wow garmr you played really newbish here lol.

wait, u think he's town?

[JarJarDrinks]

Do we kill garmr now? Is that genuine or scum bs? Maybe he knew he was caught after the lapsa CC

Of course he's scum. Town isn't gonna fake a cop claim when there's already a claimed gunsmith that he is supposedly townreading.

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Also on the fucking 2% you are town jarjar fuck you. You are fucking vexing to play with I hate you so much asking fucking obvious shit bending shit I do naturally to something scummy even if it makes no sense fuck fuck fuck.

If you are scum you have done a good job I congratulate you you fucking broke me.

If ur scum though. u gotta admit I'm pretty amazing @ mafia right?

[JarJarDrinks]

Right now there's a good chance garmr is scum after that and I'm back to not liking the Postie lynch.

Oh I think this absolutely proves postie is the scumbuddy (assuming garmr is indeed scum). If Postie was town then why wouldn't Garmr just let us lynch her?

This seems like a hail mary play to try and get someone different lynched.

[JarJarDrinks]

like garmr you didn't even fake claim there to prove you were right about jarjar. you fake claimed to save yourself right?

[JarJarDrinks]

Oh I think this absolutely proves postie is the scumbuddy (assuming garmr is indeed scum).

Key idea is assuming garmr is scum. If one is scum they probably both are, but if garmr is town and we lynch him we lose a vt, if postie is scum and we lynch then we lose gunsmith. So it's better to do garmr now.

Well you seemed to imply that Garmr being scum means u don't like a postie lynch. But I get what ur saying now. Yeah I agree, Garmr is the superior lynch.

Also agree that Lapsa is trolling.

[JarJarDrinks]

garmr looks townie to me is why

huh, I thought the reason was cause of the setup?

[JarJarDrinks]

@Meeks, Why does green postie confirm garmr as scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

did u miss this meeks?

Oh well may as well come completely clean.

VOTE: Garmr

I am vanilla townie I was going to fake cop jar jar like I did to the other chick in the game (you should remember Radiant you were in it.) because I do really think he is scum but you idiots. I feel like literally everything I am saying is getting ignored and then people say shit like no one even made a case when even the person I'm on even acknowledges I made a case. You know what pissed me off I actually put effort into this game and got scum read for it so fuck you. So that's why I backed off voting him him and went to my secondary scum read calv, Because I was going to fake cop him. I don't give a fuck anymore this game has pissed me off so much. I want to back hand so many people in this game.


GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[JarJarDrinks]

WHAT?

[JarJarDrinks]

I would look into those two

if I flip green

..

[JarJarDrinks]

I mean, I still think they're both scum. So if Garmr isn't happening, I'll do postie.

But Garmr is WAY more likely to flip scum and there's a 0 chance of lynching a PR w/ a garmr lynch.

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For the record, this was meant to say 'Really don't think Garmr is scum atm.'

Bwaahahaaa. I think that's what freaked him out and made him claim cause he figured he'd be getting lynched.

[JarJarDrinks]

The fuck did you fakeclaim for, seriously? Did it help last time?

Not only that but why did he then decide to come clean about it?

Like kush said: He claimed to save himself, not to fake a redcheck on me.

[JarJarDrinks]

Town isn't gonna fake a cop claim when there's already a claimed gunsmith that he is supposedly townreading.

[JarJarDrinks]

So like. Didnt Cavalry almost get lynched?

Why wouldn't she have claimed that postie was lying?

[JarJarDrinks]

if postie is scum, how did she fakeclaim gunsmith in a setup that actually had a gunsmith in it?????

also this

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm in favor of a massclaim

[JarJarDrinks]

if postie is scum, how did she fakeclaim gunsmith in a setup that actually had a gunsmith in it?????

also this

yeah but the other point has merit too

because it seems bizarre to me that scum!ircher would, by pure chance, manage to get a "result" on the one player he could claim hed got a setup-fake guilty on

That point has merit....IF you believe RC. RC/Ircher scumteam makes the most sense. Cause then we dont have to believe that there was some kind of crazy coincidence.

[JarJarDrinks]

Scum probably do have a role such as doctor which allowed them to conclude that there was a gunsmith in the setup.

I really don't think Ircher is lying.

Huh? What would lead you to this conclusion?

[JarJarDrinks]

Like Expe, why wouldn't you assume that Ircher was the liar, considering:

. Mr Meeseeks: town
2. acryon: scum
3. RadiantCowbells: idk

4. Calvary: scum

5. MURDERCAT: idk
6. Fire Assassin: idk

7. Postie: town

8. Lapsa: town
9. I Am Innocent: idk
10. Garmr: town
12. JarJarDrinks: town
13. nnn_thekushmountains: town

Why would the counter make u flip ur read?

[JarJarDrinks]

One other thing: Why am I more likely than Postie to be mafia?

@ least 2 reasons:

- seems weird that postie happened to pick a role that was already in the game

- Calvary didnt counter

[JarJarDrinks]

Also, since Postie and I are likely the only 2 possible investigative roles, I wouldn't make this decision lightly.

what does this mean?

[JarJarDrinks]

Gunsmith is far from a 'very powerful' role. It's pretty obvious that it's a claim to get a CFD on a townie before she gets lynched D2. Skip the first step and lynch her now.

Hmmm.

[JarJarDrinks]

that makes ircher look a little better.

[JarJarDrinks]

I don't think scum have a roleblocker; I think scum tried to kill me and I was jailkept.

Why would you be jailkept? That makes no sense to me at all.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like some of us wanted to lynch postie even after his claim but people were like "Naw, cant lynch an claimed investiagative role day 1 w/o getting results first."

So why in the world would a JK purposefully make sure that there was no results?

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Oh I guess it would make sense if JK wanted to see if a scum-postie would fake results.

[JarJarDrinks]

I still say we mass claim.

[JarJarDrinks]

I dont understand the Dwlee implication.....

Why are you so concerned w/ what happens if Postie flips town?

[JarJarDrinks]

And meeks aint scum. He's having the exact same train of thought I'm having. I keep going back n forth between Irch and Postie whenever something new happens.

[JarJarDrinks]

Still don't know why we wouldn't massclaim. Especially after Dwlee's claim.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like, knowing if a vig did the NK is a pretty big puzzle piece right now.

[JarJarDrinks]

is it? id say its not really relevant until it comes to finding who the next scum is after postie

or Ircher...?

[JarJarDrinks]

Ircher/RC double-bus is still my guess.

RC was all gungho on Ircher and as soon as he saw a postie lynch looked probable, he switched for like no reason.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Ircher

[JarJarDrinks]

and again. Postie just happened to claim gunsmith? And Calvary let us lynch Garmr?

Too many points against Ircher

[JarJarDrinks]

kinda followed a bit, but before I fully catchup: Is Ircher actually suggesting that we lynch someone that isn't Postie?