Mini 1785: Game Over!

[Mr Meeseeks]

wait he got a guilty on you

fuck im tired

[Mr Meeseeks]

but on an objective level its better to lynch radiantcowbells here, seriously guys

[Mr Meeseeks]

it makes little sense for ircher to be scum in this situation imo, the situation of the claim is bizarre

[Mr Meeseeks]

i want an ircher fullclaim followed by an rc lynch

*tips hat*

[Mr Meeseeks]

i wanna believe you

but my gut is going risk/reward here

because lynching ircher is a flip between lynching one scum (if scum) or lynching an investigative and two scum (if town)
while lynching you is a flip between lynching two scum (if scum) or lynching a backup investigative and a scum (if town)

and the latter just seems more appealing to me

[Mr Meeseeks]

plus i find, playwise, postie to be wayyyyy more scummy than ircher

and sure, the "evidence" points towards a gunsmith setup, but thats evidence from yours and posties claims and the nightkill choice

if you are scum, you would 100% play to make it look like the setup is a gunsmith setup, by killing a weird target and having postie claim being roleblocked

and since that post where you softed was after posties claim, you could easily have set it up then

[Mr Meeseeks]

but then again,

would

you build an ideal setup that could all crash down around your ears at massclaim? ugh

[Mr Meeseeks]

plus there being a backup cop pushes the setup suddenly way too much in towns favour for my liking

[Mr Meeseeks]

basically, i think it all comes down to, in my head, whether i would rather risk mislynching a backup cop or an actual cop

and there isnt really much of a choice there

[Mr Meeseeks]

ajslnfksghnlsgdasfsf

[Mr Meeseeks]

idek wtf is happening anymore

[Mr Meeseeks]

ugh the problem with rc being a potential scum in this situation is that LITERALLY NOTHING is impossible

[Mr Meeseeks]

like fuck

rc could be scum with ircher who fakeclaimed a guilty on rc so that if ircher gets lynched and flips scum then rc looks super town, if it goes well postie gets lynched so they get rid of investigative, and even if shit goes down and rc gets lynched, postie gets lynched too

fucking hell

[Mr Meeseeks]

thats part of the reason i want to see if rc is town or no

because at least if rc dies and flips town then the actual happening probably isnt entirely batshit crazy

[Mr Meeseeks]

(and before anyone says "ooh rc isnt that bad" rc once was a pgo and got a scumpartner to suicide on him so yeah, anything is fucking possible)

[Mr Meeseeks]

wait gunsmith gets guilties on backup cops

UNVOTE:

sdolgshulslrdglksrghloidrjfiosjhgoiejhrgotdjrgo;itrjtfgftdhrfh

[Mr Meeseeks]

excuse im going to go off into a corner and fuCKING CRY

[Mr Meeseeks]

rc get ur vote off ircher because he may be telling the truth while still getting a guilty on you

nyarglegarble

[Mr Meeseeks]

waiiittttt

[Mr Meeseeks]

if theres a backup cop, then thats the setups fake guilty, right?

in my mind, that greatly lessens the chance of there being a vigilante

[Mr Meeseeks]

you know what, im gonna piss off and do some stuff, and then come back to this game with my head on straight because so much stuff is confusing me right now

for example, if postie is scum, how did she fakeclaim gunsmith in a setup that actually had a gunsmith in it?????
on the other hand, if ircher is scum, how did he manage to inspect the one player on whom he

would

get a fake guilty on without knowing it, since that was objectively the best outcome for him??????

like, theres something real fishy going on here and its starting to worry me

like what if all three are scum???? i dont fucking know because its fucking radiantcowbells and i wouldnt put it past him to do that!!!!!

[Mr Meeseeks]

dammit, i know i suggested that ircher/rc partner theory as a bit of a joke

but its actually a fucking possibility

part of me wants to call for a massclaim to get all of this shit sorted out but then part of me knows that, knowing my luck, that would make things worse

[Mr Meeseeks]

So like. Didnt Cavalry almost get lynched?

Why wouldn't she have claimed that postie was lying?

ehh, in her situation i wouldnt have either, as the possibility of her being lynched was immensely higher than postie if she did cc, if you ask me

[Mr Meeseeks]

if postie is scum, how did she fakeclaim gunsmith in a setup that actually had a gunsmith in it?????

also this

yeah but the other point has merit too

because it seems bizarre to me that scum!ircher would, by pure chance, manage to get a "result" on the one player he could claim hed got a setup-fake guilty on

[Mr Meeseeks]

i know

which is why im seriously considering the rc/ircher scum pair despite suggesting it as a joke

let me add it all up

[Mr Meeseeks]

so in theory

ircher gets lynched and flips scum, rc looks super duper town
rc gets lynched and flips scum, ircher looks super duper town
in a really ideal world, postie ends up being lynched and while ircher follows, thats an investigative lynched as well as rc looking super duper town
and, in the end, they can "realise" that backup cops get fake guilties as a good get-out-of-this situation if circumstances result in the best play being them both nullreading each other

...

something about that seems

too

convenient

blargh

[Mr Meeseeks]

and it also explains the all-too-convenient thing where ircher ~somehow~ had the dumb luck, as a fakeclaiming scum, to get a guilty on the one player who he would actually get a fake guilty on

sdhfsdifudsfihuhidf

[Mr Meeseeks]

if postie is scum, how did she fakeclaim gunsmith in a setup that actually had a gunsmith in it?????

also this

yeah but the other point has merit too

because it seems bizarre to me that scum!ircher would, by pure chance, manage to get a "result" on the one player he could claim hed got a setup-fake guilty on

That point has merit....IF you believe RC. RC/Ircher scumteam makes the most sense. Cause then we dont have to believe that there was some kind of crazy coincidence.

yeah thats the point i was making

the only world in which both of those fit together is an rc/ircher scumteam

[Mr Meeseeks]

If you think we're scum together you're lynching him first.

why do you think im currently not voting? im weighing out the possibilities because this is weird as hell

For the fucking record, I had claimed that role before I was checked.

yeah but youre radiantcowbells, im not going to rule something out because its improbable

[Mr Meeseeks]

possibilities laid out

best lynch is ircher today. he flips town, weve found scum in postie. he flips scum, weve lynched scum, and after that we give rc a lookover

VOTE: ircher

roll up roll up for the magical mystery tour

[Mr Meeseeks]

Your face is improbably ugly.

[Mr Meeseeks]

rc seems to be adamant in, every post, having an entirely different opinion on whether postie is town or scum

[Mr Meeseeks]

What if it's 2/1/10, mafia killed Kush, Serial Killer targeted scum!Postie but was prevented by jailkeep?

as you said, postie is not a threat to a serial killer unless they claim vig

[Mr Meeseeks]

look, best move in this crazy situation is to lynch either ircher or postie, right? bcause one of them is scum, hands down, it is impossible for them to both be town, so we will find one scum

meanwhile, out of those two, ircher is the only one with a claimed actual-result

so he is the best lynch beause it gives us the most information from his flip, and right now by play i have no idea which one is more likely

[Mr Meeseeks]

WAIT A SECOND.
If Mafia thinks that there's an SK: that explains why Postie would claim as Gunsmith. Non-threatening to serial killers.
Especially if they also have a doc.

Generally, SK's are announced, but that sounds reasonable.

@Everyone
One other thing: Why am I more likely than Postie to be mafia?

honestly

i think youre around equally likely

but i feel like lynching you would be more beneficial in terms of results, however things turn out

(plus, more people are willing to vote you from what ive seen, and i dont want to have to convince several players one by one to lynch postie. pragmatism ftw.)

[Mr Meeseeks]

see: my ircher/rc scumteam theory

that gives a pretty decent motive to counterclaim postie if you ask me, because it allows for one scum to die in return for a potential investigative lynch, and the other being considered super strong town

plus, if scum "already have a roleblocker", then there is no way for scum to have figured out that postie should claim gunsmith over regular cop

[Mr Meeseeks]

I still say we mass claim.

i say we massclaim after weve lynched whichever of postie/ircher is scum

[Mr Meeseeks]

because i dont think the massclaim will change my mind between ircher/postie tbh, so all itll do is tell scum whos who

the only thing we can be certain of right now is that one of postie/ircher is scum, and i say until we lynch whichever one is, we leave scum as much in the dark as possible

[Mr Meeseeks]

Meeseeks softed the fuck out of having a jailkeep on Postie though.

So, what the fuck?

...did i?

[Mr Meeseeks]

because i definitely specced the shit out of a setup which specifically had the "blocking" role as scum

while pooh-poohing a setup with a town jk/rb

so idk where you got that idea from

[Mr Meeseeks]

like do you think id setup spec a setup which was missing my role

[Mr Meeseeks]

anyway

UNVOTE:

YARGH MY HEAD HURTS

[Mr Meeseeks]

maybe postie is the scum

i dont know anymore

*sobs*

[Mr Meeseeks]

actually fuckit, i highly doubt scum!dwlee would jump in to defend scum!ircher in this situation and basically line himself up to be the next one lynched, particularly if my rc/ircher theory was correct

hmmmmmmph

[Mr Meeseeks]

why did you decide to target RC last night?

ive seen some bizarre questions, but this one tops the list

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: postie

well this is fun isnt it

holy fuck this is the weirdest fucking game day ive ever had

i bet heat is finding this hilarious, regardless of who is scum, because wow

[Mr Meeseeks]

im gonna go off and watch some jontron and drink a hot chocolate

[Mr Meeseeks]

UNVOTE:

[Mr Meeseeks]

im not gonna l-1 in this clusterfuck of a day quite yet, thanks for that ircher

[Mr Meeseeks]

when i come back from jontron i expect this thread to be

well

as much of a clusterfuck as it was when i joined

but still, a little calmer would be lovely guys

[Mr Meeseeks]

Postie submitted the kill, it didn't go through, and Meseeks slipped thta info in thread?

is this going with the theory that i was softing jk intentionally or what?

because, surely if i knew my scumpartner was blocked, the last thing id do would be to soft that i was the one blocking her, since that is the one objective thing that town did and would get cced for

aye?




i also think i know which post youre on about when you say i was softing, but id like you to clarify which one it is because im struggling to see how you jumped to the jk conclusion straight away from it

[Mr Meeseeks]

Give some time to see if I can figure out who Ircher's partners are before you hammer me please.

if ircher is scum his partners are dwlee for sure and likely rc

i mean ive seen some pitiful excuses for buying for time but jeez

[Mr Meeseeks]

OKAY ACTUALLY JONTRONNING NOW

ECH

[Mr Meeseeks]

actually fuckit who gives a shit

VOTE: postie

if postie is town then we have for sure found 2/3 of the scum, and likely the third too, so who needs an investigative

ECH

[Mr Meeseeks]

ugh fiiiiinnneeeeeeeeeeee

UNVOTE:

[Mr Meeseeks]

Please just let me double check a few things before I'm mislynched holy crap
Spur of the moment decisions are bad

look

you currently have someone counterclaiming your role directly

as well as someone who has contradicted your statements of what has happened with your role

so either youre scum, or lynching you will catch two scum

simples

[Mr Meeseeks]

i will revote once dwlee claims a target because theres no use in him hiding it and it may be useful and relevant

it may also make me cry if it makes things more complex

[Mr Meeseeks]

what

[Mr Meeseeks]

excuse me did something break because it suddenly went from a clusterfuck to no posts in 30 minutes

the fuuuccckkk

[Mr Meeseeks]

do you want me to tldr for you innocent

[Mr Meeseeks]

tldr anyway for the day in general

posties gunsmith claim was cced by ircher, who claims to have got a gunsmith guilty on rc

rc claimed backup cop which does get guilty results from gunsmith

general consensus leaned towards an ircher/rc scumteam and ircher got close to lynching

dwlee then claimed jk and having jailed a not-postie player, making her claim of no result contradictory

so were waiting for dwlee to claim who he did jail for obvious purposes

and after hes done that, were lynching postie because if shes scum then we lynch scum, and if shes town we basically have two 100% confscum, as well as a third likely scum candidate

[Mr Meeseeks]

A third canidate?

And, a Postie flip proves nothing about RC.

the third candidate is rc

if postie is town, you are 100% confscum because cc, and dwlee is 100% confscum disregarding bullshit circumstances because of contradictory statements

postie flip doesnt directly prove anything about rc, but it proves you are scum, and i still hold strong that if youre scum, rc is likely scum too

this is all conjecture though, chance are postie is scum and youre town, if only because i highly doubt a scumteam would be so careless to let all of its members be strongly implicated by a single, inevitable flip

[Mr Meeseeks]

like, im just saying this for the sake of covering all possibilities and telling people that even if they think postie is town that she is the best lynch today

[Mr Meeseeks]

Meseeks is scum, yeah.

lolwut

i am the p. much one of the towniest players in this game right now, and you said so yourself, so idk where you got this idea from

[Mr Meeseeks]

I dont understand the Dwlee implication.....

postie claims to have been blocked or otherwise failed to get a result

dwlee claims to be town jk and have blocked someone other than postie

so where did the block come from

simple enough, no? only one of them can be true, as far as i see

[Mr Meeseeks]

i mean you could argue scum blocker?

but scum roleblocker and a town jk seems redundant if you ask me, considering that theyre both methods to avoid follow-the-cop

[Mr Meeseeks]

basically whats happened is ive got far too invested into speculating about what will happen when something extremely unlikely happens

OH WELL

[Mr Meeseeks]

then you not voting me makes no sense.

no im not voting you because im waiting for dwlee to claim who he targeted, duh

[Mr Meeseeks]

i will revote once dwlee claims a target because theres no use in him hiding it and it may be useful and relevant

so were waiting for dwlee to claim who he did jail for obvious purposes

[Mr Meeseeks]

i also said ugh fiiinnneeeee to that person who suggested it LITERALLY WHILE UNVOTING

sooooooo

[Mr Meeseeks]

Still don't know why we wouldn't massclaim. Especially after Dwlee's claim.

save it til tomorrow imo, best thing to do

postie is pretty much guaranteed to be the lynch so massclaiming wont really aid us in making a better choice, but it will help scum

[Mr Meeseeks]

is it? id say its not really relevant until it comes to finding who the next scum is after postie

[Mr Meeseeks]

but if the vig claims theres a 99% chance theyll survive until tomorrow and can tell us then

[Mr Meeseeks]

basically what im saying is the information wont be useful until tomorrow so why claim today?

[Mr Meeseeks]

fuck me

[Mr Meeseeks]

we shouldnt really massclaim, tbh

dwlee made sense to claim in the situation though

VOTE: postie

murdercat, read this post (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7886892) it is basically my tldr of the day

VOTE: postie

[Mr Meeseeks]

AND I WAS DOING SO WELL ;-;

[Mr Meeseeks]

Rip alt
April 1st 2016 - May 1st 2016

so young, so pure

[Mr Meeseeks]

OH MY GOD

surprised?

;D

[Mr Meeseeks]

shame about the slip, i was hoping to keep this a secret

looks like ill have to make a new secret alt with a different posting style so you cant tell its me

*sigh*

lets judt forget an d move on

posties at l-1 yadda yadda you know the drill

[Mr Meeseeks]

yeah, it is me that is davsto, which is why i quoted my slip and then voted to make sure it counted

and hey, i only slightly love meta postie

regardless, can we just gloss over the alt slip and get back to the game

thanks

[Mr Meeseeks]

why is it so difficult to get some people to vote postie in these circumstances

ircher being town makes postie scum. that is it.
postie being town makes both ircher and dwlee scum.

i have explained this thoroughly

Now

if we lynch postie, we either:
lynch one scum (if scum)
lynch a gunsmith, followed by lynching two scum (if town)

if we lynch ircher, we either:
lynch two scum (if scum)
lynch a gunsmith, followed by lynching one scum (if town)

now, speaking from a pure pragmatic point of view,

lynching postie is better because lynching postie!town results in a better outcome than lynching ircher!town

aditionally, if you go by "ircher is scum, postie is town", youve got to wonder:
why would dwlee bother to claim that he is a jailer? one of ircher/postie is gonna be lynched anyway. sure, it pushes the lynch in posties favour, but that means sacrificing two of their own players to get a townie lynched. i honestly do not think that dwlee would make such a play

the factors that (a) lynching postie and being wrong is an objectively better outcome than lynching ircher and being wrong, and (b) the multiple contradictions towards postie rather than the singular contradiction towards ircher, quite simply make postie the better lynch

i also found posties play scummier than calvary/irchers, but im talking objectively here

[Mr Meeseeks]

I doubt dwlee is scum regardless.

and stop pressuring a quickhammer please.
this whole "we've got the game figured out so let's quickly chainlynch A,B & C" usually leads town to plunging off a cliff.

thats not what it is though

its an "if x isnt scum, y is scum, and objectively so by role interactions"

[Mr Meeseeks]

also huh seems like for the most part my setup spec was right

[Mr Meeseeks]

if my brain is working correctly, the only role that hasnt claimed is the town doc

because there is now obviously a "missing kill"

and its 100% not a town jk because they would have counterclaimed the shit out of dwlee by now

UNVOTE:

[Mr Meeseeks]

my guts saying that the town doc should claim but only if they protected postie last night since that would confirm postie as town

[Mr Meeseeks]

ugh

[Mr Meeseeks]

what if scum did try to kill dwlee while he commuted? that explains where the kill went (after all, lapsa did claim cop)

[Mr Meeseeks]

because town doc/jk and dwlees role dont fit together in this setup, like at all

so the kill must have either been stopped by dwlee, or dwlee is scum

hrmph

[Mr Meeseeks]

the more i think about it, the less it actually changes anything tbh

VOTE: postie

[Mr Meeseeks]

dont mind me just spewing all of my thoughts into this thread

[Mr Meeseeks]

also huh seems like for the most part my setup spec was right

This doesn't help prove ur innocence tho since scum would have known a vig/sk would have killed kush (vs them doing it)

hm? my innocence? it was just a self-congratulatory remark on me getting it right

Oh lol at u asking about that GS/vig/doc game since u played in it as ur alt. nice touch

ikr, i wanted to go "but that game had three masons too" but i had to ask you so it didnt look weird

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: Meseeks

Davsto's scum.

lol

at least lynch one of the two people out of which one MUST be scum before you start doing stupid shit rc. come on, you know better than this

[Mr Meeseeks]

Meseeks is scum, yeah.

lolwut

i am the p. much one of the towniest players in this game right now, and you said so yourself, so idk where you got this idea from

I really fucking hated this when I saw it, but knowing it's Davsto this is tantamount to a scumclaim.

wow its almost like i made an alt so i didnt have to play to my fucking meta and do shit like this

this is why i was like "yeah lets all just ignore that" but no you have to be better than that because youre radiant-fucking-cowbells

[Mr Meeseeks]

like at first i was like "oops an alt slip haha"

but now youre using META on an ALT

an ALT whose PURPOSE was to PLAY AGAINST my META

like fuck me that is incredibly stupid whatever way you look at it

[Mr Meeseeks]

You made an alt so you could use strategies that people would use against you if they knew who you were.

or maybe so i could play slightly fucking differently without fucks like you going "WHOOPS THIS IS DAVSTO SCUM GUYZ"

You altslip it's not like I'm going to pretend that I don't know that this is exactly how you operate as scum.

i am not davsto. i am mr meeseeks. treat us as separate entities because we are *not* the same player

You play like Sircakez, talk like you should be treated as obvious town and hope no one asks questions.

no, i talk like i should be treated as obvious town because I AM OBVIOUS TOWN, i am one of the townier players in this game for fucks sake. you want me to go through everyones isos and pick out the posts where they say im town?

And no, I'm not voting anyone besides you. Postie can get lynched if she needs to but my vote is on scum.

oh come on radiantcowbells, get your head out of your arse

one of postie/ircher IS scum. objectively.

you can waffle on about your scumread on me but its subjective. it is not definite. it is not 100%. it is conjecture.

one of postie/ircher IS scum. objectively.

you acting like voting me is a better choice than voting postie LITERALLY HAVING AN 100% CHANCE OF LYNCHING SCUM WITHIN THE NEXT TWO DAYS is absolutely pathetic

[Mr Meeseeks]

Were on day 1.
Then you fucked today up royal tier.

wtf are you even on about

im scum because... i said i was widely townread when i was and im good at setup spec?

[Mr Meeseeks]

Fibe:

Sheeping RC -- If this is a ML, Im blaming RC
VOTE: Nee

what the fuck

[Mr Meeseeks]

are you guys actually going to lynch me

please say youre not

holy shit

[Mr Meeseeks]

like fuck me ive seen people do some stupid shit but this tops the list

rc ive come to expect this stuff from but ircher? come on, youre better than this, especially when you know 100% that postie is scum

like, come on

[Mr Meeseeks]

is not lynching postie or ircher for more gunsmiths results logical?

Yes it is.
We lynch Postie tomorrow.

okay ircher riddle me this

why am i more scum than postie

[Mr Meeseeks]

because right now your choice is between LITERALLY CONFSCUM TO YOU postie and THAT GUY WHAT RC THINKS IS SCUM mr meeseeks

and you chose the latter

[Mr Meeseeks]

like, rcs read is currently based on a meta read of an

alt

, which i literally made and played with so i could play different to my meta without people lynching me

ive also been hard pushing a lynch on someone that you should know is confscum since like the end of the last day so idk where youre getting your ideas of me being scum from dude

[Mr Meeseeks]

I trust RC's reads generally.

Me too, but not on this one. Meseeks is town people.

stop being bad.

i could say the same for you

[Mr Meeseeks]

Who then?

look right now rc is hard push, strongarming a lynch off someone you know is confscum

how are all the alarm bells in your head not going "HOLY FUCKING SHIT" right now

[Mr Meeseeks]

you can argue about my alignment all you want tomorrow, idgaf

but i am NOT going to sit and take a lynch when there is confscum between two players, neither of which are me

[Mr Meeseeks]

Who then?

look right now rc is hard push, strongarming a lynch off someone you know is confscum

how are all the alarm bells in your head not going "HOLY FUCKING SHIT" right now

wait.

so you're implying that

I'm scum with Postie

and you're town.

and you think that Scum!RC is hard derailing a lynch on his partner, a partner who both of us is aware would be perfectly happy being bussed, to lynch town: after which... what happens exactly?

rc, you ARE FUCKING HARD PUSHING A LYNCH OFF ONE OF TWO PLAYERS WHICH ARE CONFSCUM TO GO AFTER A FUCKING META READ ON A FUCKING ALT WHOSE FUCKING AIM WAS TO PLAY AGAINST META

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU ACT SURPRISED WHEN I FUCKING FIND THAT WEIRD

[Mr Meeseeks]

tbh i dont think rc is scum i think hes just being a total fucking moron right now

but the fact taht ircher is going along with a lynch on anyone but the player that he should know is confscum is the stupidest fucking play ive ever seen in a mafia game, and ive played with kaintepes for chrissakes

[Mr Meeseeks]

or how about we lynch between the two players of which one is confscum?????????


did that thought not cross anyones mind

[Mr Meeseeks]

You wanted to avoid being read for meta and you did things that would make you virtually confscum on your main

and you expect me to townread and/or ignore it? please.

holy fuck rc

man its almost like i made an alt to AVOID these kinda shitty meta reads

like, there are so many things im doing here that are different to my main; my writing style, my spammy posts of which i have far too many of

how is it even slightly out of the realm of possibility in your head that maybe, just maybe, i am not playing exactly to my town meta when i made an alt to avoid playing to my town meta???????????????????????

[Mr Meeseeks]

tbh i dont think rc is scum i think hes just being a total fucking moron right now

but the fact taht ircher is going along with a lynch on anyone but the player that he should know is confscum is the stupidest fucking play ive ever seen in a mafia game, and ive played with kaintepes for chrissakes

Stob lobbing insults

oh im sorry for thinking that lynching outside of FUCKING CONFSCUM is stupid

[Mr Meeseeks]

i hope every town player calling for my lynch right now looks back on this and thinks how much of a fucking idiot they were being because holy shit

there are two players and one of them 100% is scum

but no, lets lynch this other player because why the fuck not?!? what could POSSIBLY go wrong with that???!?!?!?!?!?!??!!!

[Mr Meeseeks]

i mean

it really is

because lynching someone you know is is objectively the best course of action

or does that train of thought make too much sense

[Mr Meeseeks]

*you know is scum

[Mr Meeseeks]

fuck this game what the holy fuck is going on

[Mr Meeseeks]

Its win win for town. Rc recognized it first then Dwlee mentioned it sarcasticmally, but its a goid line of action.

I AM TOWN

CAN CONFIRM

NOT A FUCKING WIN WIN COURSE OF FUCKING ACTION

[Mr Meeseeks]

This is about YOU immediately assuming that Postie was jailkept to the extent that I thought you were softing a claim, you hard defending her, you pushing a lynch on Ircher based on a ridiculous Ircher/RC scumteam possibility, you knowing that the Kush thing was a vig kill in conjunction with the former which implies that you think that either Postie was killed or tried to kill, all of the above.

now you know its me for my meta

you know how good i am at setup spec

and of course i though kush was a fucking vig kill, what sort of scum would kill kush outside extremely bizarre circumstances? seriously now rc, use your brain

[Mr Meeseeks]

See Dwlee earlier comment. The real gunsmith can euther get more results or get the liar conf as scum over the night. No one should jk or rb either of us.

youre wording it like you dont know which gunsmith is town and its weird

please ircher, think for crying out loud :/

[Mr Meeseeks]

An extra resukt or scum just confirming which one is faking is win win.

really? because id say the best winwin is, idk, lynching scum today? that seems like a pretty big win

meanwhile, im town and am getting lynched over hitting confscum 50/50 percent like fuck can you not see why i think this is the worst idea since hitler was rejected from art college

[Mr Meeseeks]

This is about YOU immediately assuming that Postie was jailkept to the extent that I thought you were softing a claim, you hard defending her, you pushing a lynch on Ircher based on a ridiculous Ircher/RC scumteam possibility, you knowing that the Kush thing was a vig kill in conjunction with the former which implies that you think that either Postie was killed or tried to kill, all of the above.

now you know its me for my meta

you know how good i am at setup spec

and of course i though kush was a fucking vig kill, what sort of scum would kill kush outside extremely bizarre circumstances? seriously now rc, use your brain

Except your setup spec was all predicated on scum being jailkept; which is now proven wrong but in a way that scum would assume true if they thought Postie was in fact jailkept if she made the kill.

...was it?

my entire setup spec was predicated on whoever the kill target was being doctored, no?

j/s, i never even mentioned a jailkeep probablity. hell, i even said it was unlikely

my theory was towndoc and scumblock

[Mr Meeseeks]

jesus fuck this is the worst fucking idiotic situation ive ever been in

come on

like, youre just overcomplicating things now

[Mr Meeseeks]

Lynching Postie or me is lose-lose as the real one cant get another investigation in.

look

im gonna put this as bluntly as possible

whether or not you survive the night, postie is getting lynched tomorrow, correct?

there is basically no way youre getting through the night without either dwlee jailing (and resultantly blocking) you or you being killed by scum

because if you survive, posties gonna be lynched anyway, so there is no bad in just killing you

[Mr Meeseeks]

town gunsmith as investigative
town vig to supply false guilty
town doc because balance

scum rb to prevent follow the cop

10/10 reading skills rc

[Mr Meeseeks]

my lynch is stupid right? someone other than ircher/rc tell me that so i can regain my faith in the playerbase

[Mr Meeseeks]

You wanted to avoid being read for meta and you did things that would make you virtually confscum on your main

and you expect me to townread and/or ignore it? please.

This isn't even a meta read though.

*screams*

[Mr Meeseeks]

town gunsmith as investigative
town vig to supply false guilty
town doc because balance

scum rb to prevent follow the cop

10/10 reading skills rc

YOU KNEW THERE WAS A GUNSMITH.
POSTIE CLAIMED GS.
YOU SAY THERE'S A DOC IN A GS SETUP WE KNOW YOU MEAN JK.

IN FACT JESUS DUDE.

HOW DOES ANYONE BELIEVE HE'S SUGGESTING THERE'S A TOWN DOC IN A GS SETUP?

why does a doc in a gs setup mean jk

just wondering

because i was genuinely suggesting a towndoc in a gs setup

[Mr Meeseeks]

because i dont see how jk related to gs. like, at all.

sure you can say "hrmph follow the cop investigative" and thats why i said theres an scum roleblocker!

[Mr Meeseeks]

like, youre taking the words that i literally objectively said and saying thats not what i meant when i can tell you

that's exactly what i fucking meant

[Mr Meeseeks]

youre just flailing.

you say this like its unreasonable to be pissed off that the wagon has gone from, in my eyes:

pretty much confscum (and, if not confscum, then scum will be lynched the next day and theres another person whos 99% scum chance (dwlee))

to

town




like im sorry if i sound annoyed by that but its because i am because its fucking ridiculous

[Mr Meeseeks]

I swear davsto knows about scumdocs and gunsmiths.

and i argued that i doubted there was a scumdoc because to have a false guilty and a false innocent in a mini sounded dodgy to me

see where i compared it to flowed viewing festival and said that, if it was a scumdoc, youd literally be replacing triple masons with a jailkeeper and itd be hella scumsided

[Mr Meeseeks]

Im suggesting an alternative. Are you diesatisfied eith that?

fairly disatisfied considering that i still strongly believe the best course of action is to lynch postie, yes, because theres still a high probability that a non-postie lynch is town

[Mr Meeseeks]

im going to be off and play videogames for a while because, in case you couldnt tell, dealing with this is incredibly stressful

maybe you guys will come to your senses and lynch postie while im away!

...


...




...


nah, who am i kidding

[Mr Meeseeks]

Theres 3 scum. Lynching Postie confirms me and withiut dic, I cant get another investigation in.

nah dude. scum know that, even if you survive, postie is being lynched tomorrow. youre either dying or youre going to need to be jailed by dwlee.
also, it still makes little sense to lynch outside of postie/ircher if you think postie is town, because if postie is town that "no result" came from somewhere. and if it came from somewhere, it didnt come from a town player otherwise dwlee would have been cced (or at the very least they would have claimed having done it by this point), so its likely a scumblocker. so wed not only need to hedge our bets on lynching scum outside of postie/ircher for it to be worth it, we would have to lynch the scum roleblocker to get any result from postie that night.

basically, lynching outside of postie/ircher is impractical, because
for it to be worth it if ircher is town hed need to simultaneously not be nightkilled while also not being protected by dwlees jailkeep
for it to be worth it if postie is town wed have to lynch the scum roleblocker

*mic drop*

[Mr Meeseeks]

those are both incredibly small possibilties to get a

single

result

and i see it as simply impractical to do that over 100% lynching scum

[Mr Meeseeks]

You do know who I am investugating.....

oh i wonder

[Mr Meeseeks]

Also the fact that calvary didn't claim is strange.

im just gonna point out that not ccing in that situation is the right move

im fairly sure that i was always taught that if theres like a d1 l-1 investigative claim, you dont cc and instead just try to push the lynch without standing out too much, so that hopefully you can get the scum lynched without having to cc, and then cc the following day if necessary

[Mr Meeseeks]

Do we really buy that scum postie was able to claim gunsmith based on the info avaliable to scum?

if mafia have a doc (hardly improbable), then they can fairly safely assume with high accuracy that there is a gunsmith

and if postie is scum, and dwlee town, then the town power is joat+gunsmith+vig, and i reckon a maf doc is balanced against that

[Mr Meeseeks]

to an extent, there is a fair case for either being scum (although i think its more likely to be postie considering that there are multiple contradictions surrounding her)

i just think that, if were to decide on one, that postie is better for the sake of damage control (is that the right term?)

because mislynching postie!town has better consequences (more info, potentially leading to multiple scum lynches) than mislynching ircher!town, and so postie is more worth the risk of being wrong on her

you get me?

[Mr Meeseeks]

i knoowwwww but i really dont want to take the risk that ircher was just being a dumdum and then lynch town investigative with only one scum to show for it

whereas there are still various things which make me shake and quiver about postie so shes still a possibility

ech

[Mr Meeseeks]

fuckit

VOTE: ircher

theres all the weird stuff between roles which i think im too busy concentrating on i think

[Mr Meeseeks]

thats l-2 if anyone wasnt keeping track

[Mr Meeseeks]

but like

he pushed a wagon on someone other than someone he knew was confscum

with a supposed pretense of getting results which was unlikely for him and of course he should know postie is not getting results because, you know, "scum"

and id understand it as an appeal to us to get a beneficial lynch to him if he were town and being wagoned while failing to get any momentum on postie and being more scumread than her

but postie was... what? l-1? l-2? so that goes out of the window

it just seems like wanting to stall posties lynch for a day

which is a weird as fuck thing to do

[Mr Meeseeks]

What meeks said. I don't think it's stupidity. I think it was calculated scum play. Not a very good one, but it had a direct purpose (delaying the lynch).

@Dwlee, do you have any reason to believe Ircher over Postie?

Well I have a jailkeep but didnt use it on postie. If postie is town scum have a roleblocker, but because my protective power is in something that also roleblocks I don't think that scum have a roleblocker. Does that make sense?

while id agree if you were full jailkeeper

you are a joat with a 1-shot jailkeep as one of your options

i honestly dont think its outside the realms of possibility for a scum roleblocker to exist with your role

on the bright side for you it means you aint 100% scum if postie is town

[Mr Meeseeks]

What's the risk of not lynching Postie or me today?

1) associative tells! we still dont officially 100% know which of you/post is scum! once we find out who is scum, we can find more scum easier. this is like, a basic mafia principle
2) less scum alive limits mafias options. especially when there is a jailkeeper. fewer scum alive makes nightkill actions be forced into a more limited scope of people which can be beneficial for us
3) power roles. at least one scum is a power role. getting that lynched stops it from being used


sure, theres no "risk", but there is minimal benefit to keeping scum alive

[Mr Meeseeks]

Let me put it this way:

As scum, I have little reason to directly cc Postie. If I did, then I basically outed myself for an even trade. Gunsmith is not super powerful cuz it can get all sorts of false results.

if youre scum and rc is your scumpartner - a possibility which im definitely not ignoring - then having you claim a guilty on him works out beneficial for him

because eventually you will get lynched, whether or not postie is lynched first, and that will make rc look townie as fuck

and anyone who has played with rc knows its hardly ridiculous for him to sacrifice scumpartners so he can look town and bruteforce his way through the game

[Mr Meeseeks]

as town, you have surprisingly little motivation to townread and trust rc as much as you do

because you supposedly got a guilty result on him

like sure, he claimed a thing that gets a false guilty

but for you to put him under no scrutiny for that at all is, frankly, baffling

[Mr Meeseeks]

Your right -- I ought to suspect RC more.

Tbh, town sounds weak in this setup. Someone recap pls.

@Jar
Just stop with the bias.

im gonna assume all people are telling the truth for the sake of this


gunsmith is town investigative
vig, likely 1-shot (false positive too)
town joat with a commute and jail and ?
backup cop (purely false positive)

that doesnt sound that weak to me. presuming that scum has a roleblocker rather than a doc, the vig has a decent chance of hitting scum. the joats three abilities are clearly set up to use the first and claim it the following day, commute to absorb the nightkill and then use the other ability on n3, making it pretty powerful for a joat. sure, there are two false positives, but right now im doubting that one of them is town so hey-ho.

scum probably doesnt have anything too powerful. probably just an rb, although if postie is scum they have a doc to have been able to fakeclaim gs and that

does

sound unbalanced because that gives scum both a high-probability way to avoid the vig actually hitting scum as well as an effective godfather

[Mr Meeseeks]

We're lynching Postie today, thank you.

sorry i thought we were lynching me

[Mr Meeseeks]

Thats not balanced in the slightest.

Gunsmith gets false positives on 3 town prs (joat, backup cop, vig)

joats only get false positives if any of their abilities are ones which belong to the roles which would trigger a gunsmith - so far, both of dwlees have not been that. plus, you know, im leaning towards the backup cop being scum rn

Vigilante is pure negative utility.

yes because something with a chance of killing scum is PURE negative utilitiy

Joat likely is Jail, Commute, Vig/Investigate. That's good for catching one scum.

And, this is against (from my pov):
Mafia Gunsmith

lolwut

what kind of fucked up setup has a fucking mafia gunsmith??? you cray bro?

2x Mafia Goon

Suppose the Gunsmiths trade. That's still 11:2.
Vig misfires: 10:2.
Joat is confirmed town but gets nk'd first opp. Only clears one person.

again, it has a commute. its gonna survive several nights

This isn't balanced; town has an EV ~36% in 11:2 Mountainous. This setup's average case is only slightly better than such. Worst case is a horror for town.

you have literally made this setup that i painted out LOOK as bad as possible without considering ANY other possibilities

[Mr Meeseeks]

look i gotta go to bed now so im gonna lay this shit down as simply as possible in my next post

[Mr Meeseeks]

look, were getting hella bogged down in all sorts of rubbish ircher is throwing at us

there IS one scum between ircher/postie. objectively speaking, there is. no two ways about it.

i have already explained why leaving them both alive is a bad idea (in terms of both one scum living having a general negative effect, and the chances of either being able to pull off an investigation being incredibly small) so the lynch choice today is 100% between those two

im gonna throw all setup spec out of the window because frankly thats getting overly confusing when we dont know enough yet

they both have scumminess in their play. postie has been dangerously close to lurking out while the ircher wagon builds and was very scummy yesterday which is why she was so close to being lynched, but she hasnt been that bad of late. ircher for some reason tried to direct a wagon onto someone other than the player he knew was confscum, and his reads recently have been all over the place, and hes been fairly flaily about his lynch

postie claimed first, but irchers cc seems a weird thing for scum to do, however if he is partners with rc it is beneficial because ircher would likely be lynched and make rc look town, and anyone whos played with rc knows that is *not* an unreasonable turn of events for him to set up.


i, personally, strongly recommend an ircher lynch at this point

[Mr Meeseeks]

guys if rc is town and does that whole "this is why is was right and everyone else was wrong" thing post-game that he always does, please bring up his push on me despite me being town

ta!

buh-bye now, sleep, i hope that general summary has been useful to you

[Mr Meeseeks]

Mafia NK'd Kush

So what is I am Innocent

[Mr Meeseeks]

the thing is ircher is speccing that mafia has no doc

Ans that's literally the point I was suggesting when I was speccing

Scum has roleblocker because that is p. Much the only way to explain posties no result and hey ho look suddenly the thing looks a lot more balanced don't you think

[Mr Meeseeks]

I know I said I was going to sleep but I decided to check if mafia gunsmith is normal

Apparently it is

[Mr Meeseeks]

I know I said I was going to sleep but I decided to check if mafia gunsmith is normal

Apparently it is

Like why would you even check this.

how do you claim to not know that mafia gunsmith is normal.

so fucking scum.

Because I've never seen a maf gunsmith
I rarely play normals so I don't have the white list memorized
So I thought "wait is that actually a thing that c an happen? It seems odd..."

[Mr Meeseeks]

Jesus RC you are grasping onto the most pathetic, petty little straws

Either you're scum or I am getting a jolly good laugh post-game at your expense

[Mr Meeseeks]

Anyway, actually going now

In case I don't make it until tomorrow because I'm nightkilled, you should 100000000% lynch RC tomorrow if ircher flip a scum. He'll try to word his way out of it, he'll try to bullshit as much as possible, he will attack everyone and desperately cling to anything that will keep him alive.

Don't buy it. Don't let him get to you.

If ircher flips town... well I probably don't have to tell you who to lynch lets be honest here

[Mr Meeseeks]

How is Mafia gunsmith odd?
How is that odd?

How is that anything outside of the ordinary?

Because in my mind it's largely an alignment investigative

So it seems kinda weird

I thought I'd check for 100% clarity because I couldn't remember if it was or not

[Mr Meeseeks]

yeah, that's enough to make me err on the side of postie!town

can we get a hammer on irchy-boy? i believe its called for at this point

ta

id love to contribute more rn but its late (9:30 PM) and i have other games to post in, while in this game ive pretty much made up my mind and have little to add beyond what i have already said

[Mr Meeseeks]

guess I should have stuck with my instincts

argh

the thing is that rc was playing kinda weird

because he usually busses the fuck.out of scumpartners

however, over the night i was doing a bit of thinking and there was some cognitive dissonance in his claim i was ready to push him over (as well as his atrocious push on me)

at least iai is borderline conftown

my gut wants to say that jarjar is a decent candidate for being scum, what with postie faking a guilty on him, ill have to iso him at some point

[Mr Meeseeks]

the "rc playing weird" isnt meant to read like a smooth sentence by the way

[Mr Meeseeks]

well, in my defence - I *did* call bullshit on RC's back-up cop claim before anyone else did.

you spent the whole of yesterday pushing ircher over postie,

and

the entire basis of rc being scum from your pov appeared to be based in ircher being scum, allowing you to be able to decide that rc is town once ircher flipped

so dont mind me if i disregard the supposed "towniness" from this

[Mr Meeseeks]

while it is hypocritical to point out the ircher/rc thing when i suggested it and it was part of my rc scumread

and i am

not

scumreading you for it

it just sorta makes your "calling rcs claim bullshit" thing not-really-towny

[Mr Meeseeks]

look anyone who knows my main knows im not really wanting to be in this site anymore

but dammit, im not replacing out of this game

and if i can make my last game onsite for a while the one where i break rcs perfect scum win record then ill be damn proud

so lets get this shit done

[Mr Meeseeks]

and if i can make my last game onsite for a while the one where i break rcs perfect scum win record then ill be damn proud

Huh? If RC had a perfect scum win record, I've already ended it.

okay maybe its changed since but ive often see rc talk about a perfect scum win record or something

either way, i want my last game onsite to be one where i win against scum!rc because thats an achievement and a half

[Mr Meeseeks]

There was just no good reason to think postie was scum.

watch what youre saying

[Mr Meeseeks]

when i can be bothered im gonna look at the end of d1 because that is going to be a fucking

goldmine

for postie relational tells hopefully

[Mr Meeseeks]

There was just no good reason to think postie was scum.

watch what youre saying

Sorry but how in the world can anyone think that scum claiming gunsmith in a game w/ an actual gunsmith can happen?

1 sheer dumb luck
2 one of the scums roles strongly hints at it

also keep in mind at the end of d1 at least there was no counterclaim

also ive always been a strong purveyor of "reads over roles unless it is something concrete" - ie, dont count someone clear on something like that

[Mr Meeseeks]

they are 200 posts apart, so if you don't expect my feelings and reads to adjust as time goes on, I don't know what to tell you.

Reads change sure. That wasn't a read. It's game theory.

- You're saying that lynching OUTSIDE of 2 claimed gunsmiths in favor of someone else is an ok play
- You then say Ircher looks scummy for suggesting it

disagree with the contradiction

1 - didnt suggest it. he said it was "not horrible". that to me says hes going "im thinking about it and it could go okay if we do it right"
2 - as he said, 200 posts difference. people change there minds.

theres also the factor that ircher was pushing

me

who was high on acryons townread list, plus since ircher claimed to be gunsmith he **knew** that postie was scum from his pov, and theres a difference between ircher suggesting it in that situation and acryon (who didnt **know** which was scum and thus it could seem like a valid idea) suggesting it

[Mr Meeseeks]

prodge

exams soon + general disdain for mafia is leaving me cold here

BUT i will do some shit

but we have two lynches and right now the choice is damn difficult, because of everyone maxous is probably the only one id put on a "probably town" list

[Mr Meeseeks]

just got home from school

sup

[Mr Meeseeks]

no fuckin clue

not maxous, probably not you, any of the other three are frankly in the ballpark, although im leaning more towards one of expe and jarjar over acryon... maybe

[Mr Meeseeks]

unfortunately, im not that good with my exams starting in literally 5 days and going on for over a month after that >.>

[Mr Meeseeks]

My thought is that we have 2 lynches left.

Even if we somehow decide that we want to lynch someone else today, there's just no way in heck that acryon isn't gonna be one of the next 2 lynches.

ah yes

becauses having two lynches left

the next logical step is totally to rush a lynch

not to, you know, THINK ABOUT IT because we only have two days left

marvellous logic there

[Mr Meeseeks]

Shit this game slowed way the fuck down.
VOTE: Acryon
Someone do something.

the only high-poster still alive is me and i currently have little motivation and a lot of irl shit

of course this game has slowed down

and the best way to speed it up is NOT to just lazily rush a lynch on someone because hey why the fuck not

*whaps on nose with newspaper*

[Mr Meeseeks]

wait were in mylo

nvm

i forgot that noone can randomly lolhammer

[Mr Meeseeks]

well i could but i think its fairly obvious i wont

[Mr Meeseeks]

wait no help my brain argh

dammit 10:40PM

[Mr Meeseeks]

so wagon on acryon is currently

murder/jarjar/expe

ahh, my two strongest scumreads

isnt that a coincidence

luckily neither maxous nor i are the type to randomly hammer but seriously at least dont go putting someone at l1 less than four irl days in to the game when we only have one more mislynch allowed before just failing epically

[Mr Meeseeks]

no i dont

my brain was just being shit

something about 6 players and 4 to lynch made my brain go wobbly and rubbish for a littile

but that last post wasnt under a lylo impression, just me expressing my distaste that the main wagon has both of my strong scumreads on it, and a slight irritation at the quick wagon

[Mr Meeseeks]

sure.
I'll hammer if meeseeks is ok with it at this stage.

go ahead

if acryon flips town, ill look between jarjar and expe and see whats going on there, probably, exams start in 3 days so idk how much time ill have

[Mr Meeseeks]

fuck yeah wubbalubbadubdub

i knew that there would, as always, be an early game gutread that would turn out right but i thought it would be jarjar, not acryon!

gg ppl, luckily this game ended just before exams started too so thanks for lynching scum