Mini 1794: Gunslingers Ahoy! {Game Over}

[Dunnstral]

Everything is true. I don't want to hammer, but I'd rather cry to sleep over mislynching a townie.

I

scumslip

Not sure I agree on that being a slip

In fact that's something I would say

[Dunnstral]

I think pants is a townie

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I think pants is a townie

We heard you the first time

And your opinion on the matter is...?

Or are you gonna try out this active lurking thing

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So no you're not going to contribute anything, k

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Pants refuses to claim, or post a reads list, he hasn't given any reaction at all to being put at L-1 and instead of trying to defend himself or something he abandoned the thread. None of that feels like town

I disagree

He's at l-1 still

[Dunnstral]

By the way pants has claimed, did you miss it?

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let's not pretend he's even read the thread I mean...
I'm not saying pants is town's hero I'm saying he's not mafia because all the mafia are piled onto pants and the super fast wagon

Oh, VT. Seems legit

What would you prefer he claimed?

[Dunnstral]

By the way pants has claimed, did you miss it?

he claimed vt

if he flips town JS it sort of makes you look bad here!

I disagree, I was only pointing it out since blackstar says he refused to claim

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MOLLIE are you not seeing that how fast the wagon formed mixed with all scummy players on the wagon indicates that pants is town?

At first he just posted that thing about bees. That was him refusing. Then later he said that he was the vt

Yes, all of that happened.

Nice little recap

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OK, I on the other hand think the speed of the wagon should also be taken into account

Almost certain pants will flip town, even though he hasn't done anything, solely based on the wagon movement and speed it was formed

All scum just pile on instantly? You've been saying blackstar wants everyone but himself lynched and he isn't even chiming in with real discussion here

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It is a useless post though

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Not getting drawn into a slap fight over nothing, this is why it's so hard to get engaged in this game

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Agree with Dunn. If pants has no content in 24 hours the vote goes back because day 1 is the best time to kill a player like him.

UNVOTE:

You agree with the speed of the wagon and scummy players on it pointing to pants being town, right?

What are your reads, or have you posted them recently?

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Mollie:

If pants is town who do you think the mafia is?

If pants is mafia who do you think the mafia is?

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kuroi to both...?

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I'm just trying to make you see that this new information strongly indicates that pants is town.

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Mollie how about this: If pants flips town you go back and reread everything I've said starting from the point I unvoted

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Dunnstral do not answer that question I want mcat to answer

I know

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Mollie stop pushing this mislynch please

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this isn't a bad mislynch even if it IS a mislynch which I highly doubt.

How so? Are you going to look over what I've been saying and decide that scum all piled onto him after all? (And that it's not kuroi)

that way I can take names of who are dragging their heels and navigate the game and I will be able to do this regardless of his flip. cos a jump off of this wagon w/o him providing a decent reason to do so and any attempt to deviate from it makes me think that scum want him around for some reason.

Who, me? If he's done nothing why are we trying to powerlynch him? Rachmarie was arguing about lynching inactives earlier but now wants to speed lynch pants before he's posted any meaningful content


I just want to know: If he flips town what information will you gather from that? Where will you start looking? Your read on kuroi doesn't seem to depend on this flip so

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KaaG did you skip most of what I said to arrive at the end

I explained that stuff

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There is no hurry to hammer

Yeah there was

Accountant literally thought they were hammering

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Not sure what you're asking there ^ But you see me use the word mislynch in 1568 too and pointed it out in 1681 as if it was some amazing slip

I don't understand what you mean by "So which post of your did I miss that counters what I said?" -- are you referring to me assuming the entire scum team are on the wagon? If so I don't know what you're asking me or why the quoted parts are significant

Also, post 1683 gives me a bad feeling.

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I'm confident that pants is town and I've laid out my reasoning

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Mollie I'm asking you questions because I care about the answers

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Or are you not willing to consider that he could flip town?

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OK it's clear you don't intend to consider than pants could be town. Problem is, if pants is town it doesn't look like you want to consider what I've said in that case either

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Maybe the entire scum team is a stretch so I'd be thinking along the lines of 2 out of 3 scum voting for town pants and a bunch of townies that I'm scumreading

What if I told you I didn't think kuroi was mafia?

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stop giving scum room to hide.

I'm trying to expose scum hiding on this pants wagon.

I'm chainsawing a defense on someone who had like 3 intents to hammer? Come on...
Isn't that where I attack people to defend someone? That's not really what I'm doing I think as I'm saying there's like 2 or 3 scum out of the 6-7 on this wagon

if he flips scum are you going to listen to what I have said? somehow I highly doubt it.

About what? Wouldn't you think scum would be bussing if he was scum? Was there anything else you said...? Or was it just that pants is scum and then kuroi is individually scum as well

Though I feel like you'd be pushing on me instead

and it does not look like you want to consider him as scum.

I think he's town, but I am willing to consider him scum.


Here's how I see it: I'm not going to be able to stop pants lynch. And if I did he'd just get vig shot or voted later on anyways. So while I disagree with it I wouldn't oppose to voting for it myself. But I think he's town. And I think he was piled on by at least 2 mafia so that is a very good place to look after he flips.

actually you will look bad regardless of his flip.

And if he flips town? What motive do I have for going into basically a frenzy trying to convince people of this as town?

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@KaaG

Everything is true. I don't want to hammer, but I'd rather cry to sleep over mislynching a townie.

I

scumslip

Not sure I agree on that being a slip

In fact that's something I would say

[Dunnstral]

Pants is town.

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How in the world am I ANTI-TOWN for making a huge case against this? It's not like I'm flat out wrong or trying to confuse things and I give town a lot of things to work with

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Seriously Mollie, Kaag, reread my case after this flip thanks

Keep in mind I'm not just hard defending pants and am actually pointing towards scum

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I'm guessing Pants is scum. This doesn't sound like town just got lynched.

???

He pretty much confirmed that he'd be flipping town but ok

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He's saying lynch murdercat because that's who hammered him and that's all

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Again I'm not

against

this lynch

But I can assure you he's town and everyone needs to pay attention to what I've been saying instead of writing it off as scum buddy wifom defending

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Seriously Mollie, Kaag, reread my case after this flip thanks

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Man this is gonna be open for hours isn't it

Literally I don't even care about whatever pants has to say about murdercat if he gets back here and I'll probably just dismiss it

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@ Dunn

What will you do if you are wrong? And you could be wrong you know.

If I'm wrong about him being town, I'm still not wrong about scum being on the wagon

I don't think I'm wrong though

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If he's town he got voted by 2+ mafia. I think that's very likely

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@ Dunn can you point to me a game where a lynch of a town player had all 3 scum on the wagon? I really would like to see that, since my experience has been at least one on and one off the wagon. Also would love to see a lynch of a scum player that had ALL his scum budz on the wagon. I dont think it happens.

That's not really what I'm saying though and I don't have a game example

2 scum voting him: 1 scum not voting him, if he's town

If he's mafia either 1 or 2 scum voting him, but not as helpful in my mind

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But I don't think it was an all town mislynch as I think half the people on the wagon were scummy regardless and had scummy votes onto him

Even you should be agreeing from your point of view of who the mafia is

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Again, what would you prefer for him to have claimed, as a vanilla town...?

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Vig list:

KaaG
ChilledTea
BlackStar

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So can my team pay attention to my posts when he flips town or are we just going to argue that "pants was bad/new! "

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Vig list:

KaaG
ChilledTea
BlackStar

Agree with ChilledTea.
Don't agree with Blackstar, though I see why you'd want to.
Don't agree with KAAG and don't see why.

inb4 chilledtea is vig

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So can my team pay attention to my posts when he flips town or are we just going to argue that "pants was bad/new! "

You haven't posted anything worthwhile

Look who's talking

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(inb4 Chumba tells me his name is not Jon Snow.)

*her

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Boys boys (and girls) you are all pretty.

Can we focus on the game stuffs? We do not know when the mod will lock the game and end twilight.

Nobody else reads this as something mafia says...?

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Still wanna know why KAAG should be vigged

Because he tickles me

So basically because I said so, but he's like the third option there anyways

I think chilled should be vigged

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According to my calculations, twilight will end in around 2 hours 20 minutes

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Mollie why are all your reads like the polar opposite of what I'm saying

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Chumba you agree that if pants is town, there are at least 2 mafia piled on the wagon, correct?

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some of my reads may change depending on the flip.

Yeah they'd better

And FYI since the game will be locked. if pants flips town I'm also replacing out. I can't play with a group of people who ignore actual scummy behavior and instead policy lynch a troll.


P.edit - if brawl and accountant are on the wagon then yes I agree there are 2 scum on the wagon.

I mean I guess we agree on the amount of people on the wagon but not on who is actually mafia

You don't need to replace out over this

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BTW Accountant did switch over to Pants, but TBG did not. MC Unvoted, and then after Pants was back to L-1 when Accountant voted for Pants, MC hammered (no relation to the rap star lol)

TBG is voting pants

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VOTE: pantsVOTE:

he really should be at l-1 honestly, i'm fine with someone hammering

VOTE: pants

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So someone else must have unvoted or accountant would have hammered?

Have you not been paying attention to anything I've said?

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If you think the town is weak, why not stay and help us? I don't actually agree, but I hate to see replaces based on in-game reasons rather than real-life getting in the way, they lead to bad feeling and there's really no need for that.

I can only speak for myself but you've not offended me: we just disagree.

I've been ignored all game with people telling me my reasons are bad. Why would I stay and just be ignored another day phase? People don't like my arrogance or confidence or my little jabs at them that they will ignore actual evidence. No thanks. It's clear town doesn't want to find scum, they'd rather an investigative role find them and in the meantime they just policy lynch bad players.

not being ignored is the part of 50% of what constitutes good town play that I think you are incapable of grasping.

what if he flips scum? are you going to stay in the gamer and apologize to every1 for being insufferable COS I WLD PAY MONEY TO SEE THAT \o/

and I wld even let bygones be bygones

So will you stop ignoring me once he flips town then?

[Dunnstral]

So someone else must have unvoted or accountant would have hammered?

Have you not been paying attention to anything I've said?

dunn, plz don't.

rach can be a little absentminded sometimes just help her out and don't be mean she is town.

But your read on pants is so wrong so why should I believe your other reads

Is what I'd say but I'll roll with you here, and assume that both blackstar and rach are town for now

Vig chilledtea? Yes

[Dunnstral]

Ok mollie tell me

If pants is town who would you want shot?

Just assuming gunslinger is a vig

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MOLLIE

Did you reread what I had said?

[] yes
[] no

I see KAAG hasn't
Which isn't going to fly

VOTE: KAAG

[Dunnstral]

You getting ready to push Kuroi is horrible by the way and you need to die for it

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Can you go back and read what I was ranting about yesterday

Pretty sure you're just town from yesterday

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Mafia were on the vote, at LEAST two of them

It wasn't tbg or rachmarie

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Why is there no votecount for pants lynch

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UNVOTE: KAAG

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I kind of need that votecount

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I think it was tbg, blackstar, chilledtea, accountant, murdercat, pirate mollie, rach marie who were voting pants

TBG and Rach flipped town

Blackstar is town too, pretty sure on this


Best vote right now:

VOTE: chilledtea

[Dunnstral]

I didn't like accountant during the later parts of day 1 but I need to do a re-read.

You were worse

[Dunnstral]

We should lynch pants today.

He is our best lynch today for several reasons.

There is a great chance he is scum. His reaction to the pressure is terrible, worse than blackstar's.

His claim means even if it is a mislynch we do not lose a PR and his inactivity means we do not get bogged down on day 3 and 4 - if he is town lylo/mylo will be impossible with him around and he would be around. No scum would NK him.

Dunn's theory is laughable. If dunn is town then he needs to pay more attention - his scumreads =/= scum. A quick wagon doesn't mean it is always on town - I was scum in a recent game and got lynched on page 1. Granted I got bussed in that game. It was also multiball. But it was page 1.

Even if we consider that there are scum on pants wagon, there is a good chance that they are bussing their partner. If not we lose an inactive player. The lynch will give us a flip and that will give us more information on day 2 which along with NK will help us.

Pants with his play will always be scummy and he will be pinging our scumdars for the rest of the game. It is the most optimal play on day 1 to lynch the scummiest player, unless they have claimed a PR or something along those lines.

All of this

tell me, between: blackstar, chilledtea, accountant, murdercat, pirate mollie

How many are scum?

Don't say 0 please

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So no you're not going to say there's scum on the wagon

I wonder why that is, you can sit here and defend yourself all day but you're literally scummier than pants so I don't see why I should back off the lynch today

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2+

Which Is what I've been saying this entire time so this isn't some golden question

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I'd actually say with rach flipping town I can't see 3 mafia on the wagon at all so at most 2

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No

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Not sure where you got that idea either

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I didn't realize the if pants was scum part

Not sure why you're even asking me that because he was town

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You were wrong on rach, you are wrong about me.

I was wrong about rach yes
In fact I would have came into today pushing onto rach
But rach flipped town (cop too)


Meanwhile I'm not going to act like pants was great
Like even in the end he just omgus'd without reading the thread and never explained himself (he said give 2 hours and like 3.5 passed and he never explained anything)
But to just ignore what happened and say "well he was scummy" after I've been going on about where the scum is, is just the scummiest thing you can do right now

I also want to know what accountant was thinking though because they said tbg was "acting super weird" and they flipped town, and they also tried to quickhammer pants (when kuroi was still talking about his derek read)

Here's who i think is possibly mafia:
ChilledTea
KAAG
Derek12

Chumba is definitely town
Blackstar/Titus almost definitely town

Accountant not sure anymore, maybe town lean still
Kuroi I'm leaning town
Murdercat I dunno, probably not the mafia on that wagon
And withholding my read on pirate mollie for now

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Honestly I didn't even know you were on that wagon so it's not even about that

Just the way you started talking during the wagon to imply that I had slipped somewhere and that I was going crazy thinking pants was town

Honestly you're probably more like null-scum lean if I think about it
Regardless everyone seems to be townreading you for your catchup anyway and I'd definitely rather get chilled

might make a post just about why we should get chilled but I want to hear from mollie too

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I felt like blackstar was town but titus replacing into that slot raises some very srs questions that are contigent on whether she knew that I was in this game or not. and I am not even sure then how meaningful the answers wld be or what answers that I might try to posit. so I am shelving that situ for now until titus comes back to the thread.

Not really understanding what this means, why would you think about the slot again just because it's Titus now?

usually the first kill is either the vig or sk kill. I cld see either chumba or some1 who believed in the veracity of her read vigging him, it does not make sense for it to be a vig or sk kill otherwise (IMO).

I don't think so.... I could honestly see either of them being the vig kill depending on who the vig is.

IF WE HAVE A VIG PLZ OUT TYVM

I think this is a bad idea and urge the vig not to out. At least not until tomorrow sounds good to me.

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If vig outs now they potentially get roleblocked and we're left with an even number of players

We know there's a role named gunslinger; it's probably the vig. All they have to do is claim as gunslinger and if they're not cc'd they're vig and not sk (probably, gunslinger

sounds

like a town role)

[Dunnstral]

I shot chumba

?

oh ok

[Dunnstral]

I think you may have glossed over my vig list

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KAAG, BlackStar (Titus), chilledtea, pirate mollie,

Accountant

,

TBG

, MURDERCAT

And I believe blackstar is town too

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I also kind of lean town on pirate mollie still

I do actually

So I'm looking at chilledtea, KAAG, Murdercat

But I also said I didn't think murdercat being scummy on the wagon.
Which leaves us with KAAG and chilledtea who seem intent to bash on my 2 mafia on the wagon theory

Let me do the calculations here, hmmmmmmm.....

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No it doesn't make sense and you should feel bad making that post

If you really looked into it you'd have quoted the part where accountant says I was neon green/ third party in their reads

Pretty sure accountant is vig and you're just doubtcasting

Here's another thing: EVEN IF accountant is serial killer (they're not) that doesn't make you not mafia

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And then your sudden change in you reads regarding blackstar, TBG it was the strangest thing ever. It came very much at right the time pants lynch was all but confirmed, I believe.

So if accountant is serial killer, why do they bend over backwards to shoot tbg again? I think I missed that part in your argument

Oh wait there's literally no reason to do that and then claim the shot the next day as sk, the fact that you're even on about this makes me feel very good about lynching you

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To get reactions from other people/tbg

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A role named Gunslinger exists. You may speculate on it's alignment and ability.

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MOllie can you stop calling me mafia for teh dumbest of reasons

I was mafia for defending pants and now I'm mafia for defending someone who is obviously just vig

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weren't you just arguing that gunslinger was a fake claim because it had flavor...?

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Pretty sure his "read" on kitty was literally just omgus at the guy who hammered him

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VOTE : Kuroi

What

Can we lynch ChilledTea now please

What are we waiting for

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Are you denying that pants was the best lynch on day 1?

If you are, then you are wrong. I have always held that if town don't play as a team then there is very little individuals can do about it.

Wait, are you saying that Pants was the best lynch because the town decided to lynch him?

Pants was a bad choice. Nearly a terrible choice.

Okay then. Tell me what was the "best choice" in your opinion. If I recall correctly you thought pants was scum when he was lynched.

From my experience, such players as pants (unless they are PR's) make it difficult for town later on by being constantly on the scumdar and allowing scum to camouflage themselves in.

And there have been many players like Pants that I've played with in the past, and I understand the frustration... but he was town.

Yeah this is nonsense. He could easily have been scum.

How come you attack kuroi who voted you but don't seem to care about me? I was also saying pants was town too

Sorry, your theory is garbage. I would explain but I actually don't think you understand. Even through pure statistical point of view, your theory is bad. The assumption that a quickwagon is always on town is so silly that it is hurting my brain. So many bad assumptions, I don't play mafia that way, sorry.

A condescending tone is not a great defense.

did u miss the bit where I said I thought TBG was almost certainly scum

This was what made me suspicious of you though.

How did you go, from TBG is most likely town, to TBG is most likely scum? That progression of your read was very bad and it makes a lot of sense to me that an SK might have done that to look like town Vig.

Like, if you are town you are the worst vig player I've seen. And that is not possible, sorry.

durrr ad hominem
vote this scumlord plz

Okay.
VOTE: ChilledTea It's beyond scummy after your role claim to start going after you. You've also been one of the towniest players all game. Not only is ChilledTea scum - he is bad scum.

Basically, you just want a reason to vote me, then cool. Cause either you are completely blind, or you are scum and frankly I feel it's the latter.

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OK my words got lost in a bunch of quotes

How come you attack kuroi who voted you but don't seem to care about me? I was also saying pants was town too

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I waffle on chilled but I have reason to think that he is more than likely town now.

Why

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Yeah, I just don't think you're right there. Say, what would you do if I recommended a Dunn wagon?

You're not even going to acknowledge chilled?

Yeah you can die next when he flips maf

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We can say "maybe accountant will vig Derek" and vote chilled though.

Yeah, I just don't think you're right there. Say, what would you do if I recommended a Dunn wagon?

You're not even going to acknowledge chilled?

Yeah you can die next when he flips maf

I have acknowledged chilled. I must admit, beetlejuice OMGUS is a good color on you.

Don't even I wake up around this time every day

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Yeah we're not voting derek.

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I don't care if we vote ChilledTea or Derek, but I'm not sure the ChilledTea vote will work...

You serious?

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Yes

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Then if we get to a point where ChilledTea needs a vote for a lynch, I'll jump on it. For now, I'll see how many people see Derek as scum.

Which leads me to why I don't town read you. You said you see Derek as scum, but you refuse to vote him and even defend him.

It's literally the opposite where you guys seem to want anyone but chilledtea lynched for some reason

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I've voted ChilledTea to make him L-2. Why wouldn't I mind seeing him lynched?

I dunno, I'm not the one voting for derek

Titus you don't look like town at all right now like I thought blackstar was town and now that's gone

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Well you know if you don't spell it out he's getting shot so

VOTE: Titus

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A lynch

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Probably two mafia in Chilledtea/Titus/Derek

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mollie is town

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[Chumba, Mollie, Accountant]
[Kuroi, KaaG, Murdercat]
[Derek12, ChilledTea, Titus]

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I don't think Kuroi is really scummy and it's odd that so many people are thinking he's scum

@Mollie

So who would you rather accountant shoot then? Because it's them you need to convince not me

I'd rather lynch Titus at this point than Derek.

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I don't want to lynch kuroi today at all on the other hand, would definitely rather vote derek than that.

Titus' list of scum is laughable and doesn't make sense

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So no scum was on the pants wagon...?

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I said that it appeared that way. That's no misrepresentation because for it to be that way, she'd have to be me. She can't tell me if I'm lying to myself. I did follow up with that one stray read list she made. I'm moving on. She's not.

This right here is part of the reason I don't trust you. This is walking bad what you said. That conversation between you and Dunn looked very much like you were trying to convince Dunn that there wasn't enough support on me/Chilled to warrant a lynch on Chilled and telling him to get onto the Derek wagon.

Please explain how a scum team of me/kuroi/derek makes any sense with this because that's what you've been saying

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list all 3 scum and it better be correct

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I thought you had a good list

Then I saw you put "null" below scum

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There were people arguing yesterday that BlackStar wasn't scum and was just a new player. But Titus isn't a new player, so why does he still look shitty?

That's why I'm now voting her

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Mollie, I think kuroi is town. What do you think in that scenario?

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@ dunn

this:

you misrepped me. I said don't fucking do it again and then I proved you wrong and you backpedaled and are trying to discredit me by saying my reaction was psycho when all I did was state that you misrepped me and then proved you wrong.

you leap off of derek like wildfire when the first question that hsld have popped in your head after reading your top scumread's final post, "huh. well if he didn't read the end of d1 nor much of d2 then how the fuck does he have mollie as his top town read?" but no you didn't wonder about that at all instead you rushed to vote a softclaimed special.

especially the last paragraph. I shldn't be a top townread for derek if he hasn't read much since I have been in it and if kuroi was scumhunting derek sincerely a town response wld have taken note of that not quick move their vote to some1 who is softclaiming.

capesce?

Eh but I missed that too...

If anything that looks like reasoning for derek being lynched?

I believe that Titus is scum and Kuroi is town. If we were to lynch kuroi and he flipped town, would you agree that Titus is scum?

You only think Titus isn't scum because you think the kuroi/titus interaction is mafia vs town one way or another, right?

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I'll let kuroi answer that. I was mainly looking at the rest of his play from before that, I'm also looking at Titus and I have an easier time believing she's mafia.

Do you think derek is scum? If so shouldn't we be voting them for today over kuroi/titus?

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nope

To what

If kuroi gets lynched and flips town, is titus mafia?

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You think they're both scum?

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Be honest you're fosing me because I pushed on you.

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Let's not forget about that pants wagon guys.

if chilled is some kind of pr then... well he's not mafia
if you're gunslinger then just out it already

Otherwise I believe accountant is town too.

I also believe that Mollie is town.

And tbg flipped town

So the remaining people on the pants lynch would be Blackstar, Murdercat

Titus is mafia.

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I read them as towny when they made their case against me and derek early on before the pants stuff

I then read them as town again once the pants wagon came around and they were saying it was a bad idea.

I also recently got a stronger town vibe just from the fact that titus-scum is pushing him as a team with me and derek (she's pushing on 2 town and her partner derek or 3 town)


Pretty bold question from someone who could barely bring up a case against pants, and won't be able to argue that kuroi is scummier than titus. Because they're not. They're not scummier than derek either. This wagon is dumb and you guys should feel bad yet again just like that pants wagon

Or do you think... that no mafia voted for pants? Oh right, you think it's accountant.

No

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Hmm

But that's different than voting pants. Why would mafia sit there and agree with the lynch, without voting for it? It doesn't help them, and instead makes them look bad on the flip when they don't need to

Further he has attempted to throw shade on me several times and his vote on me was just jumping on a convenient wagon.

Probably because you're scummy and the only reason I'm not voting you is your claim

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softclaim rather

And mollie pointing it out

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dunn's hard defense of kuroi is downright distrubing.

You said that about me for pants

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And pants was town

And I think kuroi is town too

And Titus is just mafia

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Vote Titus instead of chilledtea?

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Why would scum shoot the cop if they had a roleblocker?

Now sure I follow

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*Not

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RachMarie was shot for being obvcop IMO. Yet if they reached that conclusion why not block her and shoot obvtown or doc hunt?

A cop+doc necessitates a roleblocker or Strongman to avoid follow the cop.

So why is just outright shooting rach somehow worse than roleblocking her

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By the way Chilled is also claiming pr.

We have a vigillante, a doctor, a cop

And chilled is claiming pr too.... hmmm

Seems a bit overloaded?

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Nothing, he just softed pr.

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Mollie is right regarding me when she said that I am something special. That's all I will say regarding the topic.

Kuroi is still the best choice for the lynch btw. Nothing he has said has made me change my mind.

By the way derek is scum as well. His "reads list" is hilarious. He has both me and accountant as lean scum which makes no sense from any perspective. Unless he thinks acc is the SK and I am mafia which would be strange for a person who hasn't read the thread.

Kuroi/Derek/ + (Accountant)/(Dunn)

is the scum combination.

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Vote Titus guys? Like I've been saying...

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there is no way that a town player cld possibly mistake me for a town player

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Still thinking Titus is mafia.

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pira

Disagree, they're either both town or different alignments

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Meant to quote that whole post

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Mollie who do you think is scum outside of kuroi

Like I think kuroi is town

Do you think it's just as simple as chilled being mafia if kuroi is town?

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I gave a rock solid case on derek, do you honestly think I have changed my mind about that?

I have said that I thought that kag was the other scum.

OK now we've got progress and I can agree with you here

But we have a problem in that the derek slot is empty and chilledtea is

Unless you want to just vote derek anyway because I'm up for that?

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I think bulletproof is kind of a counter claim to doctor?

Anyways if we still want to get chilled we should just have accountant shoot them right?

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I don't feel good about Dunn. How are you townreading him? Like he hasn't shown an ounce of curiosity or solving the game.

Also lol. I've been gamesolving, especially at the end of day 1 and start of day 2

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Well regardless on whether it's "kind of" a counterclaim for doctor, we have a dead cop and we know gunslinger exists

Vig is a powerful role
Cop is a powerful role
Doctor is also a pretty powerful role
One-shot bulletproof is on the weaker side

Or do we think that all of those can exist..?

Also how/why in the world did we get 3 people claim to claim today on top of a cop death

Like what

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Like if Kuroi is mafia and we keep him alive mafia can't kill me without outing him

Gonna say the probability of mafia having a roleblocker is high - town has a vig and a cop (and doctor potentially)

If a vig gets killed their own kill still goes through right?

So if they do have a roleblocker they can roleblock kuroi and kill you, but you'd still get your kill off

They can also roleblock you, kill kuroi, then kill you

In which case yeah leaving kuroi alone is a good idea

Also don't say who you're going to shoot.

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VOTE: Derek12

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I want to simplify the game titus how about you

Thoughts on lynching Derek then?

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I want kuroi alive at least until tomorrow

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Also Chilled is more likely to be mafia

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I want kuroi alive at least until tomorrow

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Chumba is town

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^mafia

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Scum by association/gut - Dunn (but really need to do more research to see if this makes sense)

And if kuroi is town?

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Ok I was wrong

VOTE: Kuroi

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Chilled and kuroi wouldn't both be mafia then right

Like why would they both claim as prs

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dunn step back

?
Chumba is town

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I think Titus is mafia bussing/pushing mislynches with that kuroi/derek/me theory, and with titus/kuroi both pushing derek when the slots empty I believe that derek is town

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Titus is definitely looking like scum now.

Been saying that since day start

My role pm has no wording that says self protection is against the rules. I'm not familiar with site rules on it but if it doesn't say it's not allowed in my role pm, I assume it is allowed. If the mod denies me self protecting I will escalate it to whoever I have to to get the situation resolved. If that person says it's not allowed then I'll deal with it.

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Chumba how about protect accountant so they can get their shot off?

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But they can roleblock accountant and also kill them

This way if they roleblock accountant they can't be killed

Of course you're probably dead in the process but you can't stop that

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How is nobody else seeing titus scum right now

mollie was a good day 1 protect.

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Don't protect anyone but accountant tbh not sure what titus is on about

Night kill is either you or accountant

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I'm shooting someone tonight, but I'm not saying who. Mafia can only block one of {vig, doc}, so they have to either leave me alive for tomorrow or risk getting their brains blown out. I suggest we lynch derek today and let the claims sort themselves out after I take my shot/nightkills happen.

Derek, really?

You don't want to lynch between the two doctor claims?

God this game has been crazy the entire time. Let's just lynch kuroi and go to bed, we know that slot is scum. Then Accountant has the choice of Derek or chilled or even maybe Titus (but I don't like that).

Don't forget Dunn.

That's a choice I wouldn't mind. I prefer it the most actually.

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Titus/Mollie I don't trust at all.
Dunn is still in my scum like cause his weird 180 on kuroi (Titus seemed to back off after I claim which also makes me think Titus)

Regardless what happens please ignore Titus like you did me day 1. He doesn't deserve a voice if he's town.


Good night and God bless

I'm not scum it's titus

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Mollie is town too

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Let the record show that I think chumba is town and chilled is scum and probably derek is last scum but maybe slight chance of titus. Mollie and accountant and dunn and kaag are town.

Forget about chilled

Look at kuroi being scum, and look at titus being scum

I think derek is town

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So kuroi/titus and who?

Dunno

Let's not get ahead of ourselves

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Just stop talking to titus we can speed lynch her tomorrow

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And she makes my head hurt

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Man that was a long night

No replacements?

Also why did Pirate mollie die...?

Accountant you were roleblocked right? Why wasn't a pr hit?

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VOTE: Titus

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Oh my bad hi Infinity 324

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I'm not scumreading Titus because I

disagree

with her, I really think she's scum

Chilled is possibly mafia though, if they faked both pr claims

I'm assuming accountant is real vig that got roleblocked (no way they shoot at mollie)

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Derek slot still scum.

That means Kuroi would have been casing against me (town) and derek(town, or scum bus)

I think it's important to look at who else was taking heat around this time.

Coincidentally I think both Derek and I were saying Chilledtea was scummy, but maybe that's a stretch

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Wait Chumba claimed doc so I don't understand why she wasn't night killed

Still heavily leaning town, looks like a weird scum gambit

Maybe scum suspected there was a role like watcher in the game? Or whatever it's called

In that case, Chilledtea would be fake Pr.

VOTE: Chilledtea

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I think Titus is scum because of the way she was pushing the angle of me and kuroi being scum buddies, as if she were scum herself and was bussing her buddy while setting me up.

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Titus is getting lynched today end or discussion. Whoever is town vote Titus.

You make a convincing argument here

VOTE: Titus

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Hey all, tried to shoot Derek last night. Failed, obviously.

VOTE: chilledtea

I regret saving you. Don't worry I won't make th same mistake again.

lolwut

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@Accountant Why did you vote chilledtea at the beginning of the day instead of me, if you wanted to vig my slot?

Because chilledtea claimed bp

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Anyway I feel pretty confident that the last 2 scum are in {chumba, titus, chilled, accountant}

Possibly KAAG as well. That kinda says nothing but at least it narrows it down a bit

This is 100% scum.

No it's not. The scum team can be titus and chilled.

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wut

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I was pushing on Titus when Chumba was set to replace out so not sure how that equates to obvious buddying

Not sure why nobodies calling Titus out on that either

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I actually have little motivation to do anything in this game until something really happens

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For what

I think Titus scum, think Infinity is getting more heat than he deserves, and chilled maybe scum too. Also been saying KaaG scummy since the beginning but apparentyl his catchup post was "so town"

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Anyways I shot at Accountant/MathBlade last night and they didn't die so I'm assuming I got roleblocked

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FoS remains on Infinity 24 for asking me to claim when I am already outed as town vig.

Why does that make you fos him?

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Calm down I'm not actually claiming vig, thought you read the thread?

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You got roleblocked by the way, no way should there be a hidden bp hiding when we have another bp claim.

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Dunn is equal to Pants to me because I null read them both.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Derek

Someone has to start this. Maybe Accountant can vig ChilledTea.

Don't want to vote ChilledTea here because Kuroi suggested a vig on them. Makes them unlikely to be scum. That BP claim is all kinds of messed up though.

But he was mafia and would know that accountant would be roleblocked

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Just gonna ignore MathBlade I think, not gonna deal with

that

kind of person

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Infinity you're kind of weirding me out with this hard buddy thing

Though I think it's just Titus scum

Chumba you need to knock that off though

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I also have ongoing game meta reasons to think you're town

I'd love to hear about this after said ongoing game is over (even if this one has ended)

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Hey that's neat chilled, when are you planning to vote titus?

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no

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Titus and Chilled top scumreads

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Dunn give me the short version of why you are on Titus?

The way she pushed on me being buddies with kuroi was unnatural and was trying to pair me up while bussing.

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Yea Titus scum let's just get her please

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@mod Kaag's last post was 13 days ago (including night)

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I have no idea what the vote situation is like by the way