Mini Normal 1814 Machiavellian Mafia (Game Over)

[Elyse]

Wow lots of people I've never played with before.

VOTE: Dwlee

[Elyse]

VOTE: MariaR

Anyone who can point out the scumslip can join my townbloc

[Elyse]

There was no slip.

Just what looks like a bunch of newbies this game and I wanted to see if anyone would slip up and blindly follow me. No such luck

[Elyse]

There was no slip.

Just what looks like a bunch of newbies this game and I wanted to see if anyone would slip up and blindly follow me. No such luck

Can I slap you in the face now or later

[Elyse]

He's lying and anyone who believes him is dumb

[Elyse]

I'm assuming he's trolling. If he actually pushes it then I'll vote him but I have a history with him and I could see him doing this.

[Elyse]

VOTE: BlackStar

[Elyse]

That immediate OMGUS seems like an admission of guilt to me.

No I think you could be opportunistic scum.

I explained that Dwlee is likely trolling because of our history, there is a 0.1% chance of there being a day cop, and dwlee hasn't confirmed that he isn't joking.

I don't see how a townie would think voting me is a good idea at this point.

[Elyse]

As I already said I think Dwlee is trolling.

Your vote came before my post, but you not unvoting is scummy.

[Elyse]

That immediate OMGUS seems like an admission of guilt to me.

No I think you could be opportunistic scum.

I explained that Dwlee is likely trolling because of our history, there is a 0.1% chance of there being a day cop, and dwlee hasn't confirmed that he isn't joking.

I don't see how a townie would think voting me is a good idea at this point.

If he's telling the truth, then we've caught scum. And if he isn't then we've still caught scum because we know that he lied. Its a win win situation.

Did you just miss the part where I said that Dwlee is likely trolling or choose to ignore it?

Do you think Dwlee, as scum, would lie about being a day cop just to get me lynched? There's not confscum between the two of us. Even if Dwlee says it's serious he's probably not scum. You're not thinking critically and neither is Nero tbh.

@Nero
Do you actually think scumDwlee would do this?

P-edit
Oh boy

[Elyse]

VOTE: MapWolf

[Elyse]

Map Wolf deserves rope for his "let me place an L-1 vote on Elyse real quick but Dwlee is responsible if she flips town and no one hammer pls!!!"

Terrible

P-edit:
Why would awkward signify a town-scum relationship?

[Elyse]

Nvm read that wrong

[Elyse]

Were you saying nvm to me or?

Yes

[Elyse]

Elyse you weren't at l-1 btw but yeah Wolf is scummy

I know but he thought I was

[Elyse]

I have early town reads on Maria, dwlee, and Rosske.

Possibly Skold but I need to see more.

Map Wolf/BlackStar are both good votes.

P-edit
Have you read the game

[Elyse]

Map Wolf hasn't addressed any of the posts directed at him despite unvoting me after Dwlee and I voted him.

And if he flips scum I want to look at Zap.

[Elyse]

It was obvious the whole time

Hm....I can see that being true with your posting. That or it's some grade A bullshit.

If it's true then yeah Map looks like Ziox.

I think this will put Map at like L-3 or so.

VOTE: Map

Gonna p stoked if we really just caught scum.

This post looks fake

[Elyse]

I have no reason to tr Elyse other then the fact I have black as scum so that makes her town to me I'd love a Map>Black>Zap lynch atm

I agree.

Skold looked promising at first but I don't like how he's trying to shift focus from Map.

[Elyse]

VOTE: MariaR

Anyone who can point out the scumslip can join my townbloc

There was no slip.

Just what looks like a bunch of newbies this game and I wanted to see if anyone would slip up and blindly follow me. No such luck

Okay, this is extremely scum-aligned.

Explaining your own motives is very suspicious. A town-aligned player would just say they were joking or something, but Elyse here aborts this ill-conceived "reaction test" almost immediately.

VOTE: Elyse

First off, you don't have to say "scum-aligned" or "town-aligned" every time. Scum and town will do.

Second, are you saying I should have lied and said I was joking? I noticed that a large portion of this player list is new and made a reaction test. If someone was scum with Maria, I could easily see them going along with it despite there being no slip whatsoever.

The rest of your posts just scream conf bias to me. You try to paint all of my posts as scummy and do a terrible job at it.

a fellow townie

Caught this too. Why didn't you pursue it further?

gerry is prob town.

Alright now that I've seen everything, I understand what Map Wolf did was scummy but like, aren't the at like L-3 or L-2 right now? I think it's a little too early to be putting someone that close to lynch when it's till not even 10 pages into the game. I'm pretty sure we have like 54 or 72 hours to get a lynch, so I'm a bit worried that votes are piling up on Map Wolf so easily.

I'm not too worried about the speed of the wagon because Map Wolf is the kind of buddy scum would bus anyway. Plus Zap and BlackStar showed resistance initially.

@BYF
Why were you townreading ira?

Zap points out a bunch of good things that point to BYFscum but doesn't vote him

As much as reading his posts make me want to kill myself, I think ira is probably town. And BYF could be scum.

[Elyse]

BYF stop with the massive quote walls.

Why were you townreading ira before?

[Elyse]

Maria, the biggest point for BYFscum is that he called ira a "fellow townie", which insinuates that he knows ira is town.

@ira
Please stop saying "scum-aligned" and "town-aligned". It makes your posts annoying to read.

@BYF
Why were you townreading ira?

[Elyse]

Nvm you answered that sorry

[Elyse]

Nvm you didn't.

WHY were you townreading him? Like what did he do to make you think that he's town?

[Elyse]

Elyse, that's just what I am used to saying... Nobody has had a problem with it before.

Well I have one and it's easier for you to just say "scum" and "town".

P-edit:
Ok....

Still think Map Wolf is the best lynch for today.

[Elyse]

^ira is town

(see how much easier that was than saying town-aligned?)

[Elyse]

This is normal

[Elyse]

Post 313 just seems so town. BYF was getting flustered and it's easy for scumira to continue pushing him. Instead he looks at the situation and reflects and realizes that BYF is probably town for getting flustered and offended. His reasoning makes sense and there's zero scum motivation to do that besides getting towncred. And I don't think ira is savvy enough to do that. (no offense)

[Elyse]

VOTE: Nero Cain

I pref you not vote my biggest tr please thank you Nero's "hammer" was super towny it got reactions I like it a lot more than blacks because this seemed not even close to forced I don't see any reason for mafia to do this

Meh people do that all the time. I wouldn't be so quick to call Nero town.

Map's reads are weird. Why did he bring up only those few people? Does he have reads on everyone else? We may never know.

I'm still ok to lynch him but Zap is climbing up on my scum list. All of his posts ping me so hard.

[Elyse]

But I'd like to hear why you and Elyse think I should town read him.

He had some posts early on that I liked but looking back, they're pretty easy to fake as scum.

I'm not townreading him anymore and am good with the wagon on him. I get the reservations people are having with Map and the fact that there's little resistance to his lynch, but a Rosske wagon coming up so quickly kind of makes that point moot.

[Elyse]

@map wolf
What do you think of the rosske wagon?

I feel the tone in some of his posts feel scummy. 344 sounds like a scumpush, as it is an assumption, and it is a very simple argument. 439 is a very weak "defense" for being voted on, and is not very logically sound since he has only jumped on two wagons.

its funny that

Rosske

hasn't posted since his

wagon accusation

.....looks like scum who

got scumread,

and now is laying low hoping it all will go away

Now i feel he is leaning scum. He hasn't adressed much, but there may be more reasons for that. Not posting since being wagoned might not really mean much.
Also i am not gonna vote since i think that would be a hammer, and we can't say yet if/when we are going to hammer.

This is a giant fencesit

[Elyse]

STOP SAYING ALIGNED. MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE ASKED YOU TO DO THIS. AND YOU USE IT INCORRECTLY MOST OF THE TIME.

Ok now that that's out of the way...

Ira your vote on Nero is doing nothing. You're not pushing a case on him and your three scumreads are probably town. I know I am. You also haven't given good reasons. (If you're paying attention at home I've decided to stop being paranoid and townread Nero)

I still think you are town because I found your hop off BYF very townie but your reads are off.

Rosske and Map Wolf are both excellent D1 lynches. I'm fine with either.

[Elyse]

And just like that the Rosske wagon goes down to one vote

[Elyse]

To be quite frank with you Zap I am pretty dam sure if Map flips scum (and I'd bet so) you're his partner that post you just did you ran through a few possibility but then threw them out the window almost dismissing them entirely I don't see why you even needed to bring that point up in the first place it just feels like you wanted to get people confused

This.

Let's lynch Map and then Zap when he flips scum. Zap is posting a whole bunch of what looks like content, but when you actually read it, is mostly just hypotheticals and useless associations.

Map/Zap scumteam fo sho

[Elyse]

Show me where I've tried to PL you

[Elyse]

I'm making a big deal about it because it's annoying as fuck. If you actually read my posts you'll see that I think you're town.

[Elyse]

I didn't realize Rosske claimed PR at first. Only when someone asked "do you disagree with the unvotes of Rosske" or something like that did I realize that "special" means PR.

I still think ira is town. I'm not going to read anymore of his posts because they're garbage and he keeps saying aligned despite multiple people asking him not to.

MapWolf is still the best lynch imo.

[Elyse]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=65320 is his last scum game, other than being a lurksack I'm not seeing much diffrence.

"Being a lurksack" is a difference.

Is anyone actually townreading MapWolf? Or are people just scumreading others more?

[Elyse]

So I'll ask again is anyone actually townreading MapWolf or do people think there's just bigger fish to fry? I don't understand why there's so much resistance to a wagon on him after the initial one when he's done exactly 0 protown things.

[Elyse]

...which means there's resistance. MapWolf wasn't lynched, so there is resistance, even if the initial reason is that there wasn't resistance.

But is that why you don't want Map lynched? Because there wasn't resistance to his wagon?

I refuse to vote Ira because he's one of my strongest town reads. I wouldn't be upset if he died since he's annoying but I think he's town. His thought process, warped as it is, seems very hard to fake as scum.

I would be interested in compromising on Mr. "Elyse could be scum lemme comb through her ISO and cherry pick some bullshit I can call her scum for and then slap a vote down on her even though I know that wagon isn't happening today" aka Zap but outside of those two I really don't want to lynch anyone else.

[Elyse]

How is that convoluted?

(There's also the fact that early D1 wagons like Map's happen in pretty much every game and he was in no actual danger of being lynched. A "lack of resistance" is meaningless because his buddies could jump on without having to worry it would actually go through)

[Elyse]

How is that bullshit?

Did you think Map was actually going to be lynched 1 RL day into day 1?

[Elyse]

I'm not saying the wagon wasn't serious. I'm saying he wasn't going to be lynched that early into D1. And you know I'm right.

So once you decide to stop letting your ego get in the way come back to me.

[Elyse]

You don't think someone would've unvoted and said "I don't want a hammer this early"? Or that the person wouldn't actually hammer? Or that people would hop off because it happened too fast? Or that people would hop off and say there was no resistance to the wagon?

(Hint: at least one of those actually happened)

[Elyse]

So i really don't know where we go from here. I think i will go through with my thoughts.

BYF

is null. 309 "agreed" as a followed by a vote seems scum in tone. Some other posts seem scum in tone, but i do like his replies to Ira whose alignment he seems to flip on.

BlackStar

i townread. His posts are genuine to me.

Comparing

lean-town for me. His long posts seem town.

DW

i think is lean-town. Lots of short posts, but i do agree about Ira...

Elyes

i think is lean-scum. Too many of her posts are trying to create a wagon.

gerryoat

is lean-town the vast majority off his posts are pro-town to me. Like myself he hasn't made "big" posts, so that is about it.

Iraon

i think is lean-scum. I am not going to make a case on him, but he flip-flops a ton from who he votes, and has made a case on really unimportant posts.

Maria

i null read. 562 sounds like a scummy attempt to make another wagon on me.

Nero

i think is lean-town. He has useful posts, and i agree with his cases on some players.

Rosske

is null. The question is whether he is "town" who just got some slightly unfortunate posts or scum trying to get the wagon off. I can't make a conclusion on that.

Skold

i think is null. I need for posts from him to be certain of anything.

Zaps

posts doesn't seem like something a scum would post. I town read them.


I am going to VOTE: Iraonavp due to his inconsistensies.

This will bring him to L-1

How is this still alive

[Elyse]

Seriously though Map posts a GODAWFUL reads list (I challenge you to find one good, legitimate read) and proceeds to put the counterwagon to his lynch at L-1.

Plus ira idiotically voting me is a town move because survivalistic scum would vote the counter wagon.

[Elyse]

No I'm not calling you scum. But yes that's what I was getting at.

[Elyse]

Maria, Elyse if Ira flips scum and assuming no viable night actions...who do you want dead and why?

Idk. Not worried about it cause it won't happen.

@CR
Correct me if I'm wrong but you're saying that as Map's partner, you wouldn't have said that the wagon resistance point is moot because that would implicate him. And I said I'm not calling you scum. What's the issue here? Is it just that I didn't say "I'm not calling you scum because you wouldn't have said that as Map's buddy" or am I missing something?

[Elyse]

Zap help me bus your buddy Map.

If you do I'll pretend that the scumread on me you made up isn't due to a fixation you have on the fact that I am scumreading you. Something that scum are often bothered by when they feel as though they are being caught for the "wrong reasons".

Or you could continue in your futile attempt to lynch me and I will go full steam ahead on you tomorrow if I'm still around whether or not Map is still alive.

[Elyse]

No I'm coming after you because I think you're scum. I was scumreading you first if you don't remember. You should because the whole reason you're scumreading me is because you're scared of my scumread on you. You are my second strongest scumread. I am offering you a deal. If you bus Map today I won't turbo lynch you tomorrow if I'm still around.

And yes I am confident Map is flipping scum and Ira is flipping town. I've said so the entire day.

[Elyse]

No I'm coming after you because I think you're scum. I was scumreading you first if you don't remember. You should because the whole reason you're scumreading me is because you're scared of my scumread on you. You are my second strongest scumread. I am offering you a deal. If you bus Map today I won't turbo lynch you tomorrow if I'm still around.

And yes I am confident Map is flipping scum and Ira is flipping town. I've said so the entire day.

There's no way you could actually believe that if he's scum he'd out himself and agree to a deal like that. Its also kind of laughable that you think you have enough power to decide who we will or won't lynch. Seriously, think about what you're saying for a longer amount of time before you post. This is ridiculous

Where did I say anything about him outing himself?

More importantly why is everyone continuing to avoid my questions about MapWolf?

[Elyse]

Also Zap trying to paint me as scummy for being confident is TERRIBLE and should prove to everyone that he's scum.

[Elyse]

well she's prob scum with Ira unless we are all buying into the "Elyse is defending him for town cred" I'll do a longer post later.

Nero what the hell are you doing

[Elyse]

Him voting MapWolf isn't outing himself. I'm only calling it bussing because I think they're scum together.

My questions are "Is anyone actually townreading MapWolf or are there just bigger fish to fry?" and "Can anyone point out one good, genuine read from his 'reads list'?"

Like I just don't understand how people are reading MapWolf's posts and not voting him ASAP

[Elyse]

Why

[Elyse]

I disagree but fair enough

[Elyse]

Nero please explain to me why Wolf is town without using the resistance argument.

Maybe we differ in theory on that but his content just screams scum to me.

P-edit

Yes I agree Ira is on another planet can we lynch Map now

If you want to switch to Zap I will do that but that's it

[Elyse]

Well to be fair there are multiple people scumreading me and townreading Maria.

I think Map's play is just terrible. He has no idea what he's doing. But that doesn't mean he's town.

[Elyse]

V/LA until Tuesday

[Elyse]

I think Map's play is just terrible. He has no idea what he's doing. But that doesn't mean he's town.

that doesn't necessarily make him scum either.

I sorta feel like after the Map and Rosske wagons died we landed on scum and Elyse/Maria/Gerry won't bus their buddy.

I know it doesn't make him scum. I'm not saying he's scum cause he's bad.

Also I would bus the ever living FUCK out of Ira if I was scum with him for the sole reason that I hate his posts and everything about how he plays.

[Elyse]

Map's comments mean absolutely nothing

[Elyse]

CR asks how his posts seem town. Map says "long posts don't mean much. Your long posts are logically sound, and seem town-minded". WTF?

Also his reads almost exactly line up with who is scumreading him. He chooses which reads would be most convenient for him and goes from there.

[Elyse]

Town should make reads based on posts and then sort out alignment. Map goes "oh Elyse is scumreading me, let me try to justify a scumread on her too".

[Elyse]

I think ira is town.

I still find his back off of BYF very town and a lot of his earlier posts. The way he reasons some things out seem unlikely to come from a scum PoV.

His recent posts are nonsense I agree. I'm not going to be devastated if he's gone but I think he's town and I'm not going to contribute to his lynch when Map is still kicking.

[Elyse]

No

[Elyse]

Confidence isn't scummy

[Elyse]

Also his reads almost exactly line up with who is scumreading him. He chooses which reads would be most convenient for him and goes from there.

Pretty sure you are my only scumread who scumread me.

You only have one other scumread besides me and he happens to be your competing wagon.

Like of all the players your two scumreads are the person campaigning for your lynch (me) and the other wagon (Ira). Those are the most convenient reads you could have.

[Elyse]

Yeah you should considering he's been one of the two leading wagons for the entire day and my lynch was never going anywhere.

This is so frustrating Map and Zap are soooo scum and Zap is just gonna hop on Ira at the end of the day and take no responsibility for it.

[Elyse]

Anyone up for a last minute BlackStar wagon?

[Elyse]

VOTE: BlackStar

Let's do this

[Elyse]

Gotta look into the Wake slot

[Elyse]

VOTE: Map

Obvs look into Zap and Map if Ira is lynched and I die but I think the Wake slot is fishy.

Probably won't be around to switch my vote tomorrow before DL. So join the Map wagon people!

[Elyse]

Welp I was wrong.

I'll take a backseat today. Still not convinced on irascum but Map being town makes it look that way.

Still think Zap is scum though.

VOTE: Zap

[Elyse]

I also think Rosske should probably full claim

[Elyse]

Nero do you think I'm scum with ira?

[Elyse]

@Nero
:/
You think is hard defend a buddy like that? Especially one I don't like?

Like I could see if you think I was WKing Ira but scumreads on both of us doesn't fit.

[Elyse]

Nero

So let's say we lynch Ira today and he flips town.

What is your read on me

[Elyse]

scum

So why did you start the day voting Ira if I'm scum regardless?

[Elyse]

I wasn't asking that to see how I could get town points from Nero. I don't care what his read on me is. I just care why.

It doesn't make sense to me how he can think I'm scum regardless of ira's flip (when my intentions regarding ira's wagon would be completely different if I was scum depending on his alignment) coupled with the fact that he started the day voting Ira.

[Elyse]

So if I'm his partner, I pushed for Rosske to claim only to retract when he refused because...?

Lol you're not this dumb.

There is plenty of scum motivation here. I'm pretty sure you're the one who said that locking scum into a fakeclaim now rather than letting them see more flips and creating a more believable one is much more beneficial to town.

In fact that quote is exactly what I would expect Rosske's scum partner to do. Pretend to be for him claiming and then back off so he doesn't have to.

[Elyse]

In fact that quote is exactly what I would expect Rosske's scum partner to do. Pretend to be for him claiming and then back off so he doesn't have to.

Miss, you dropped your hat.

So are you going to actually explain why I'm wrong orrrr?

[Elyse]

Anyways, I think Elyse expecting my to choose between my scum reads on her and Ira is plain dumb but then again this is the same person that argued that the lack of resistance on the Map wagon actully meant there was resistance.

What do you mean "choose between scumreads"? I'm asking you to explain why you started voting ira if I'm scum regardless of his flip. Why wouldn't you vote me and use my flip to sort ira?

You also have continued to ignore the crux of my argument - the Map wagon was never going through so early D1. So there wasn't going to be resistance anyway. People started saying there was no resistance way too early, before there would have been any from Map's scumbuddies, hence "a lack of resistance" meaning resistance.

But Map flipped town so I was wrong. Whatever. But stop misrepping what I was saying.

[Elyse]

VOTE: ira

[Elyse]

Show me where I've consistently called Nero scum

[Elyse]

Tbh I'm sick of you. Nero's right that you post nonsense. Early on in the game I liked your thought process and couldn't see it coming from scum. I didn't necessarily agree with you but I just saw your posting as townie. But lately you've done absolutely nothing and your reads are largely based on who's scumreading you.

So I'm done with you. And if you flip scum then at least I can comfortably put Nero and possibly others in my townpile. I'd have to go back and see who voted and when but I'm not gonna do that unless you actually flip. You're toxic and even if you flip town your lynch will help.

P-edit: read 1224 again thx

[Elyse]

What BYF said lmao.

Zap is contradicting himself completely. Did you forget when you said that letting scum live with a softclaim allows them to tailor their claim as the game progresses so it makes sense.

Now is the best time for Rosske to claim because he can get CC'd if he's lying and we lynch him. But letting some PRs flip or claim will allow him to change it if he's lying.

You arguing that it's more beneficial for scum to hardclaim in this situation is ridiculous.

Zap/Rosske/ira team calling it now

[Elyse]

Prodge until tomorrow sorry

[Elyse]

Here's an idea: bring Ira to L-1, let us be clear and unequivocal in our declaration that IRA WILL BE LYNCHED AND WE WILL NOT ACCEPT A SCAPEGOAT, and force Rosske's hand. Like those spy movies where they don't torture the guy, but instead strap a bomb to his bae to get the missile codes.

What makes you think Rosske would claim under this situation?

Ira, I did not say you weren't scum, in fact I said you'd be a good lynch even if you were not blatantly scum (a double-negative meaning that you are blatantly scum and just flailing at this point), I've said before that Rosske should not fullclaim, and you're the one who wants him to fullclaim anyway so why is that a scumread for me if I just do it in a creative way, and you of

all people

should not be accusing others of spamming.

You

don't

want Rosske to claim?

I'm pretty sure Dw was 100% lynching Ira the day before but then saw the map wagon was picking up and was like "I could get a free ml with this" (I don't think he voted it but he was going to you can tell by the posts) and now is just pushing on Ira it's very shady

what? lol?? are you saying it's shady for him to want to lynch the scumread he had yesterday as well?

I'm saying his end day was weird he seemed set on lynching ira but when the map wagon started getting votes he switched with a change of heart

And I just provided quotes showing what you call "switching with a change of heart" which show it was nothing like that.. at all.
VOTE: mariar

This is a bad vote.

Or it could have been that they saw a chance to get Rosske mislynched by leaving him alive and killing someone else. That could have been part of the reason for killing Blackstar, a player who'd been calling for Rosske to claim. But my guess is that a Rosske mislynch would be secondary motivation behind whatever other reason they had for killing Black/not killing Ross.

You think they left a fucking PR to be MISLYNCHED?
VOTE: Zap

I can't do this anymore Zap is so fucking scummy.

I seriously want everyone to read this. Zap is suggesting that scum kept Rosske alive to mislynch. What happens when Rosske gets run up to L-1? He claims. And if he's a town PR, he's not getting CC'd unless we have kamikaze scum. He's not thinking critically, just spouting out random things that make no sense.

I need wake to start talking more if possible. I really had slim reads on skold, and he isn't talking much as well. i think he's on v/la or w/e so it's fine, but i'd like to hear a bit more from him

Wake is town.

@CR
I disagree with you completely. Softclaiming is stupid and scummy. I would be more lenient with Rosske if he gave us something today but he hasn't and it makes the scale tip in the scum direction.

Elyse, the entire point of your argument that Rosske should claim is because if he's lying, we can just cc him, right?
What if he claims a role that is not in the game, and is therefore not cc'd? You'd have just "confirmed" a mafia as a town PR in your worldview, if that's the extent of your rationale.
I feel that this should have been obvious.

Duh. But let's say he claims jailkeeper and there's a town roleblocker. The roleblocker can CC him and he dies.

But if he holds off another day, scum NK the town roleblocker, now Rosske knows not to claim JK. Like I said, I was fine with him not claiming yesterday but he's given us no additional information today which indicates to me that he's scum.

[Elyse]

I've literally been on a scum team before that left a town PR alive because we thought they could be mislynched. But nice try.

Also would like to point out that your focus on this -- the least important part of my argument, and one that I said in that post was probably not the primary reason for Blackstar being killed, if it was a reason at all -- makes it seem like you combed through my posts looking for something to attack.

explain to me how this would work

i'll set the scene up for you:

scum 1: rosske is a pr let's nk him

scum 2: nah let's leave him alive so we can mislynch him tomorrow

scum 1: ok

town and scum: vote rosske

rosske: i claim *insert town PR*



Finish the scene

[Elyse]

Zap, your version assumes that scum have RB power and that Rosske would be stupid enough to claim "special" and then continue to not claim if he had a role like BP. I don't make assumptions.

VOTE: Rosske

[Elyse]

VOTE: CR

[Elyse]

Well that was stupid

[Elyse]

Honesty I'm lost in this game

[Elyse]

Like I don't know who's scum

Everyone is giving me conflicting reads

[Elyse]

Still gotta look at Zap tomorrow

[Elyse]

VOTE: gerryoat

[Elyse]

Did anyone go back and check if anyone else mentioned a possible SK

Cause I forgot to do that and I wanted to

[Elyse]

Did anyone go back and check if anyone else mentioned a possible SK

Cause I forgot to do that and I wanted to

Why would there be a SK if there is one kill a night so far. idgi

If the scumteam only had two people on it (because they don't know about the traitor) then I could see scum hinting an a serial killer on D1.

Also I missed this page of posts somehow. But I don't really have anything to say about it.

[Elyse]

Maria, Zap is dumb town.

Join me on Gerry.

[Elyse]

Why do I even try. Just lynch me I don't fucking care anymore, I try to admit I'm wrong and I'm sorry for it, and all you of say bullhit reasons as to why I'm mafia, when I tried to give my point of view. You're going to be on lylo tomorrow so have fun with that. Lynch me today, because if Zap is town (which I think he is based on the hammer on traitor) then you'll auto lynch me tomorrow on most likely lylo and lose the fucking game.

VOTE: BigYoshiFan

My read hasnt changed on this. I'm voting this idc.

This Ate is so good holy crap

Would've been better if he self voted

I'm telling you Zap is town. I wish it weren't true but it is

[Elyse]

Did anyone go back and check if anyone else mentioned a possible SK

Cause I forgot to do that and I wanted to

Why would there be a SK if there is one kill a night so far. idgi

If the scumteam only had two people on it (because they don't know about the traitor) then I could see scum hinting an a serial killer on D1.

Also I missed this page of posts somehow. But I don't really have anything to say about it.

Why would there be a SK if there is one kill only the last 2 nights.

(SK I'm guessing is like the site im from where they have to kill someone every night right?)

Gerry I'm talking about D1 only before there were any NKs

[Elyse]

gerry and dw are prob the last scum

[Elyse]

@gerry
Explain to me why you're "wow I got rek'd I totes thought CR was town my b that was so bad sorry guys" attitude changed to "fuck you for thinking I'm scum you're an idiot". Like don't you understand WHY people are scumreading you?

[Elyse]

Elyse, how can you think that gerryoat is scum-aligned when he didn't know how traitor worked and one of the normal guidelines is that the mafia team should be informed of a traitor?

Gerryoat's frustration at being voted seems very genuine to me, as well.

VOTE: Dwlee

hmmmmm did not know this

I assumed they would be uninformed

This changes things

VOTE: Dwlee99

[Elyse]

Zap ffs just vote dw

[Elyse]

grumble

who is your scumpool

[Elyse]

@Maria
Yes Zap's hammer was sketchy as fuck but he's unfortunately town.

@Zap
Wake is town. I'm town. Nero and BYF are prob town. Try again.

[Elyse]

BYF is probably my weakest townread.

That's where I could be wrong. With gerryoat as prob town from the traitor debacle, that only leaves dw and Ira in my scum pool. But I find it unlikely CR would spend his entire time in the game voting his buddy when they don't know he's the traitor.

[Elyse]

V/LA until Sunday

[Elyse]

I could see BYF/Dw team

[Elyse]

I'd like to hear the people voting Dw explain the reasoning behind his two gambits. The one at the beginning of the game with the fake result on Elyse and the one yesterday with the fake result on ira.

Dw himself said he does reaction tests all the time. I don't think it's an alignment indicative thing at all.

[Elyse]

Anyone would be hesitant to lynch a guilty that was claimed halfway into the day when you voted other people. That has no bearing on ira's alignment and you would realize this if you're actually town trying to do a reaction test.

[Elyse]

not on ira's but on zap's and maria's

Why would it have bearing on their alignment but not ira's?

Let's say ira is town. You don't think scum would be hesitant in jumping on a fake guilty presented halfway through the day?

[Elyse]

BYF is probably next on my list of suspects

[Elyse]

Never would have guessed Maria scum. Hats off to her.

I thought BYF or Nero had to be scum because of the PRs but I think having so much town power that you think one PR has to be scum is a cool concept. Especially with the traitor involved.

I thought Gerry was scum near the end but never would've pegged Maria as his buddy. Hats off to them.

[Elyse]

I just said hats off twice

[Elyse]

Love you too