Mini Normal 1841 - At The End... (GAME OVER)

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here and catching up

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4 pages in and townreading Dunn. I like his reads and he's like the only person trying to move the game past RVS.

Transcend looks bad. I get the impression he's trying his hardest to appear to not be invested in the game.

Creature looks even worse for townreading trans. dafaq can he possibly have been townreading @ that point?

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Gamma's town Dunn's town Creature might actually be scum

VOTE: Creature

Obvious bus is obvious.

pedit: I'm on page 5. I'll see if you townie it up in the next 6 pages. I do see that the latest VC still has u on creature so that's a plus.

pre-pedit: yeah

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not a fan of mathblades page 6

- Voting Dunn is terrible.
- as is townreading Gamma
- Defending transcend AND creature! WTF?

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Not crazy about XnadrojX. His posts feel like alot of faking noobiness.

And Something_Smart looks scummy too. He posts a readslist and the immediately says they're weak meta reads after getting challenged by Dunn and Trans. Why not mention that initially?

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-People can have bad reads

I'm aware. Doesn't mean we shouldn't analyze those reads.

-You can have bad reads

It's rare but sure, I'll admit that it happens.

So scumreading people for disagreeing with you is

I'm not scumreading anyone for disagreeing w/ me. I'm scumreading people for having garbage reads that they shouldn't have. And it's not like I'm calling anyone confirmed scum or anything. Just pointing out where I see scumminess.

pedit: I'm doing a catchup so it's gonna kinda be shallow. I'll eventually dive deeper.

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@jordan i have a hard time believing that was a reaction test and you were satisfied with his reaction

but i'm not voting you since i have a feeling you might be town

OK I like this post cause it was pretty much my exact thought.

If Xnad is trying to fake noob-town, he's convincing me.

pedit: will respond to all the above when done w/ catchup

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VOTE: Dunnstral

He seems too confident to know that Creature and Transcend are scum-aligned together this early...

See here's a vote I disagree w/ but it's not quite as terrible cause there's actually some reasoning. Therefore it's not a garbage read.

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Liking Ira alot and agree w/ almost everything he's said about transcend.

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And Something_Smart looks scummy too. He posts a readslist and the immediately says they're weak meta reads after getting challenged by Dunn and Trans. Why not mention that initially?

Why mention it initially? I got some interesting reactions.

So now you're saying that the reads were a reaction test? I guess now my question is: why not mention THAT until just now?

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not a fan of mathblades page 6

- Voting Dunn is terrible.
- as is townreading Gamma
- Defending transcend AND creature! WTF?

Do you have me as null or scum?

null

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I'm not scumreading anyone for disagreeing w/ me. I'm scumreading people for having garbage reads that they shouldn't have.

So you're scumreading people for strongly disagreeing with you?

No. And as I said, I'm just pointing out scumminess where I see it.

My reads are generally good. Therefore when someone attacks my scumreads, I give them townie points. When they attack my townreads, they get scumpoints.

Yes obviously town can have bad reads. One of the points of the game is figuring out if those people are scum or bad town.

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Also it's early in the day JarJar reads aregonna be garbage anyways

speak 4 urself

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Not crazy about XnadrojX. His posts feel like alot of faking noobiness.

@jordan i have a hard time believing that was a reaction test and you were satisfied with his reaction

but i'm not voting you since i have a feeling you might be town

OK I like this post cause it was pretty much my exact thought.

If Xnad is trying to fake noob-town, he's convincing me.

Did you switch your read here or am I misunderstanding something?

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying w/ the second post.

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@Infinity

I don't know what else I can say 2 u that I haven't. I think you're probably town so I don't really want to continue arguing w/ you about my playstyle except to say I've been incredibly successful with it in all my previous games.

If you have anything specific you'd like to talk to me about then I'm game.

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I never said it was a reaction test. Every single thing anyone says produces reactions; doesn't mean everything is a reaction test.

Total misdirection

I asked you why you made those reads knowing that they were just non-serious meta reads. YOU were the one that answered that question saying that U "got some interesting reactions". So obviously you're implying that the reads were made to gauge reactions.

Answer my question, then. Why should I have mentioned it initially?

Cause if ur town, there's no good reason to hide stuff (most of the time).

And you haven't actually answered me since you're now saying it wasn't a reaction test.

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jarjar are you from nyc

not any more. I'm like 40 miles upstate.

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btw ur reads arent good, so keep the bragging for when you are sure

Got any specifics ones u disagree w/?

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so if you thought he was scum you would keep arguing with him? dont understand, ezplain.

What don't you understand about that?

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VOTE: Something_Smart

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I don't take a whole lot of issue with Something_Smart at all, actually.

Why is this phrased in such a way to imply that you would be expected to take issue with me?

because jarjar was like " ya my reads are good" and then he voted you

Do you disagree w/ what I'm saying or just dont think it makes S_S look scummy?


To recap:

I ask him why he posted reads that weren't really that serious and he responds

Why mention it initially? I got some interesting reactions.

Like how is that not him saying that he did it as a reaction test. He even re-asked the question he was responding to.

This sentence reads: "The reason I didn't mention it initially is because I got some interesting reactions."

Like how is that not a direct contradiction when he later says this?

I never said it was a reaction test.

Every single thing anyone says produces reactions; doesn't mean everything is a reaction test.

not to mention misdirection since he's now implying I'M the one who brought up the reaction test.

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It looks like you're trying here, but this is once again, extraordinarily shallow.

Poppycock! That's some good scumhunting there bro.

You're implying here that scum would be careless enough to directly contradict themselves and town wouldn't, first of all, which doesn't seem true to me.

Whether or not it seems true to you has no bearing on whether or not it is true.

Again, this is behavior that will come from scum or bad-town. If you just write everything off as "well town can act scummy" (and YES contradictions ARE scummy) then you're not gonna be hanging much scum.

I'll let smart explain his side of it, but I don't think it's a contradiction at all tbh.

So basically you're saying that it isn't a contradiction but even it was, it wouldn't be scummy?

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btw ur reads arent good, so keep the bragging for when you are sure

Got any specifics ones u disagree w/?

Sure. Whats your reads list?

Why would you need my readslist? You said my reads aren't good. Did you just say that for no reason?

The "ur town so i wont discuss my playstyle" part. it doesnt make sense to me why you would bring up the "ur town" part, cos i dont know why you would want to discuss it with him if you thought he was scum. i didnt get what tf you meant, tldr.

Cause town arguing w/ town is pointless. If I was leaning scum, I'd continue to argue to gauge his reactions.

holy shit.
first off, what he obviously meant there was you stating town couldnt do it. no, town can contradict themselves, they are human and their opinions CAN change over time. emphasis on can, the point you are bringing is merely moot as it can be done by careless scum and careless town alike. scumtry to be townread aswell, they dont just sit there and do scummy things, they watch out for it too. it doesnt indicate either alignment and it isnt writing it off as anything. its just something that can kickstart a discussion from there. By itself, scummy it might be, but not enough to convict.
Secondly, if there is a good explanation behind anything then we need to hear it before makinh conclusions about what is scummy or not.

He was wrong and you're wrong here.

contradictions, making bad reads, lurking, shitposting, etc...

All things that are scummy. Also all things that can come from town or scum. Just because scum or town can both do things doesn't mean they aren't AI. It just means that you shouldn't base an entire read off of them.

I'm not saying that any of these things means someone is confirmed scum. But it's day 1 and I'm certainly gonna scumread people for em when there's not much else to go on.

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Can I scumread Dong for saying that my reads are bad and then asking me what my reads are or is that shallow too?

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i said that so i could copy paste your readslist and say i disagree woth all of them. party crasher.

Sounds like a BS excuse.

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@the people who've played with JarJar before: does he usually believe his reads are amazing and read people based on how they agree with them,

refuse to discuss with townreads

, and/or scumread people for semantics reasons?

I'm refusing to get into an argument over playstyle w/ a townread. Not refusing to discuss stuffs.

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I think the scum team is Zach dunn and something smart.

Well games over I guess

Congrats to mathblade naming the entire scum team on page 17

fuck sake bruv i told u we could have got out of it

Very much dislike this last post from Zach.

I feel like he's trying to inception the idea into Dunn that since math is wrong about him, he's wrong about Zach too.

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I can tell you with certainty you're wrong on one of three of those, and that one is me

So you are saying S_S is scum, as Math is right about him and Dunn?

And also don't like this post either as it's misrepping what Zach is saying.

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I can tell you with certainty you're wrong on one of three of those, and that one is me

So you are saying S_S is scum, as Math is right about him and Dunn?

And also don't like this post either as it's misrepping what Zach is saying.

Kinda the point of the post there buddy.

So it wasn't a serious post? Or...

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Off to work I go.

When can we expect you to "cut through the bullshit"?

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prod dodging.

wont be able to do much till I get to work tomorrow.

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YO JARJAR I SEE YOU ARE ONLINE; GET IN HERE!

Chill. Just caught up on my other game. Catching up on this one now.

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VOTE: Zachstralkita

Oh good, another scum pulling a gambit.

This is a very bad post

agree

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if im not mistaken Math that amazing confidence you possess, which is actually arrogance, shined brilliantly in Wake's Role Madness where you embarrassed yourself with your reads in regard to myself and Dunnstral's hydra. So did Shaziro.

If anyone cares to know, Dunn said something random offhandedly and those two geniuses turned it into a "mafia crumb" because it was a song lyric. And Dunn said the word blue.

I thought they were joking, but no no no it was a serious read. Which made it even more of a joke to me. But that was the fruit of your genuine detective work.

Yet you're not fazed at all. Really love the tenacity, but it just seems like such a waste. Like you post that, go to work all day, then come back home and still think the same thing? You spent your recreational time formulating bullshit? I'm just telling you in advance, you're going to be sort of disappointed. What is the end result? Because you're not gonna get me lynched. Even if you did, I would flip green. And I think your reads on Dunn and S_S are ludicrous anyway.

Please please please divert your precious precious energy elsewhere, maybe someplace it will be useful. Go wild. Give us some percent equations maybe. Then solve them while we find scum and stuff. I'm telling you, it's gonna be great.

let the guy do his thing if he has fun in it. even better for us if he makes good points. also, "kill me im green" cliche continues like anyones gonna claim red.

Z is a mislynch

why

VOTE: Zachstralkita

Oh good, another scum pulling a gambit.

This is a very bad post

why2.0

VOTE: Zachstralkita

will you ever be usefull

yeah fuck it if we get a speedlynch thatd be fun
VOTE: zach

This post is bad too.

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Look who tried to deceive town. Look where my vote is.

Is this referring to Dunn saying Mafia has an encrypter? If so, please explain how that is scummy.

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Look who tried to deceive town. Look where my vote is.

Is this referring to Dunn saying Mafia has an encrypter? If so, please explain how that is scummy.

OK he answered this so ignore me here. Was a terrible answer though but w/e.

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why is there talk of an encryptor...

No idea

Why is your vote on zachstralkita

I thought something useful would come out of it tbh

UNVOTE: Zachstralkita

all i have now is creature maybe scummier?

What about Dong? His vote was just as bad since he actually defended creature there.

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this game is hurting my brain

MmHmm

I don't understand why the vote in 461 was not for MathBlade... that seemed like the direction Zach was going and the direction I likely would have gone as him after that exchange.

Why are you mentioning this? Do you think Zack is scummy for not voting math there?

I really want to read into Creature's and Dong's hops on the wagon but I feel like they're both more playstyle than alignment indicative.

Explain please. This just sounds like you wanted to bring attention to the hops w/o actually commenting on em

I'm not getting any scumreads. Just a whole lotta bullshit.

then you aren't trying hard enough

WHAT???? Where are YOU'RE scumreads? You made ONE post w/ scumreads in your 2nd post of the game and then said that they were only weak meta reads.

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Vote Count 1.20

JarJarDrinks- [0]
Dunnstral - [0]
Zachstralkita - [2] Creature, XnadrojX
Creature - [1] iraonavp
Infinity 324 - [0]
Transcend - [0]

[L-3]

XnadrojX - [4] Transcend, Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral, Dongempire
iraonavp - [0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [1] Infinity 324
Gamma Emerald - [1] Something_Smart
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - JarJarDrinks, Zachstralkita, Mathblade, Manuel87

Mod Notes – XnadrojX is V/LA until tuesday.
"No u"


With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2016-10-26 14:14:38).

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My vote should be on S_S. You had it there in 1.8 and I haven't unvoted.

I'll double check that. If so, I'll change all votecounts accordingly.

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@Transcend

Why are you scumreading me? You say I'm "playing different". Please explain.

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Jarjar why don't you vote creature

I'm leaning scum on him so I may.

Gonna do some iso diving and post a readslist @ some point today but I have to do some actual work since I've spent my entire morning mafia'ng.

If I had to name the scumteam right now, I'd say S_S/creature/Xnad.

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Why nadr and creature together? Don't you think the scum would be pushing a different wagon then?

Yeah I guess those are just my top scumreads. I'm not really thinking about associations.

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Gonna do some iso diving and post a readslist @ some point today but I have to do some actual work since I've spent my entire morning mafia'ng.

Sorry but this will probably have to wait till tomorrow. It'll be worth the wait.

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please no one lolhammer. My readslist is coming soon and this post

When I posted 1001 I was not really against the Creature wagon; I trust that other people can read him better than I can, and his flip would definitely give a lot of info either way.
After those last three posts by Creature I'm even less against it than I was.

is making me think creature may be town.

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If Creature is town these two can hang next

Funny, I was thinking the same about u.

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Infinity

- Town. It's pretty obvious that Infinity is trying to actually sort me. Reads come off as genuine even if I don't agree w/ several of them. And there's just a ton of actual scumhunting in his ISO.

Dunnstral

- Town. Only thing I really don't like is his attacks on Zach. Other than that, reads seem to match mine alot. The whole "scum have an encryptor" thing reads very town to me. In my experience, scum just doesn't like to post WIFOM-ish stuff like that. (K after reading Zachs ISO, I now don't really mind Dunns attack there)

iraonavp

- townlean. Wish he'd post more content but I like what he has posted. I think his points against transcend are spot on. His reads are pretty similiar to mine.

MathBlade

- slight townlean. I really hated maths early game as his reads just seemed so bad. But there's just something about his posts that make me believe that he is truly trying to figure the game out. He just needs to drop his Dunn scumread.

Zachstralkita

- null, slight townlean. I was totally townreading zach before I ISO dived him but there's really not much scumhunting and he hasn't been very clear about his reads. The slight townread is basically playstyle.

AlpacaAlpaca/Manuel

- Null. Not really enough content for a good read but I think I'm starting to lean town. Very much like the pressure on Gamma.

Transcend

- null, slight scumlean. I get the impression that Transcend wants to townread me but he truly believes that I will never townread him so he keeps me as a backburner scumread. This way when I eventually (in his mind) go after him, he can just go ahead and call me scum instead of trying to convince someone that will already have his mind made up. But other than than that I like most of his townreads and scumreads and he does seem to be trying to sort people (in between his troll posts @ least).

Creature

- scumlean. Not much to add. I see the same reasons for scumreading creature that everyone else has. His posts just have a guarded feel to em. Like he never wants to say more than he has to. Not my top lynch for today since there's scummier people. But I dont hate the wagon. (Actually S_S's most recent posts IS making me kinda hate the wagon)

XnadrojX

- scumlean. Like I said earlier, his posts occasionally come off as faking noobness. I feel like his town read of me came out of nowhere. He could be trying to just lurk his way through the game

Gamma Emerald

- Scum. Man for the quantity of posts in his iso, gamma doesn't say anything. Seriously, do a quick skim and look @ how much fluff is there. It's just nonsense w/ an occasional sheep vote w/o any reasoning. I dont really understand the progression of the creature read going from lynchbait to scum. Also I mentioned how I didn't like the misrep of zach which he wrote off as "I was totally misrepping on purpose".

Dongempire

- Scum. pointed out earlier how he said my reads weren't good. Then he asked me for a reads list after I wanted him to point out the reads he didn't like. He STILL has yet to answer what reads of my he thinks were bad. His entire ISO is pretty content-less. All of his reads are just so empty.

Something_Smart

- Scum. Has barely posted ANY scumreads this game except for the ones @ the start of the game that he immediately said weren't real reads. Like so many of his comments are just pointing stuff out and then not commiting to an actual position. And his most recent opportunistic vote on creature just came out of nowhere.

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Oh, I see.
So I'm scum because Creature's town.
And Creature's town because I'm scum.
10/10 logic bro

No you being scum has nothing to do w/ what creature is. If creature flips red, u could still be scum.

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OK

VOTE: Gamma

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u mean the best readslist this game has yet to see?

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Do you still think I voted Creature?

Oh I guess u didn't. Pretty sure that makes it even worse. Since just like what I said about the rest of ur posts:

so many of his comments are just pointing stuff out and then

not commiting to an actual position

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you really think much of yourself dont you
Jar

Results don't lie. I've been pretty damn successful in my mafia'ng.

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@Dong, do you have anything specific to say about me or ask? Your responses to my list in 1069 was a bunch of vaugue nonsense.

You can't just scream BAD READS w/ saying what's wrong w/ em.

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I already PM'ed it but

V/LA until Sunday

VOTE: JarJar

This is w/o a doubt a scum vote.

Dong may actually be town just cause I'm not sure scum would pile on me out of the gate. But S_S is scum fer sure.

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VLA till monday

aside from being able to phone follow.

Please don't speedlynch me w/o first letting me post my reads and/or a defense. Thnks

noted.

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If anyone wants to explain why they think I'm scum then go ahead and I'll defend myself the best I can.

If you guys are just gonna lazily speedlynch town for a 3rd straight day then just lemme know so I don't have to waste my time.

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Also, it's possible that jar is scum-aligned from the votes but he seems null-aligned.

How do the votes say I'm scum-aligned?

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Because nobody I thought was scum-aligned voted you ever...

So the fact that I've NEVER lynched town despite several players including YOU have now lynched TWO townies doesn't matter?

Like you people are seriously terrible if you think I can be scum here. You don't get just say hurr-durr-WIFOM. Explain a single anti-town thing I've done this game.

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I'd be willing to hear your side, but you need to come up with a theory about why there was no kill n1.

Huh? What does there being no kill have anything to do with my alignment? Are you just talking about stuff randomly?

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It just makes you more scum-aligned since you would know what they flip...

You don't get just say hurr-durr-WIFOM

Sure scum can bus and town can be wrong. But there's been TWO mislynches now and I wasn't part of either. Maybe look for someone that lynched town?

ANd yes I get that scum doesn't want to look responsible for lynching town. But even more important is the fact that scum REALLY doesn't want scum lynched.

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I'd be willing to hear your side, but you need to come up with a theory about why there was no kill n1.

Huh? What does there being no kill have anything to do with my alignment? Are you just talking about stuff randomly?

Stop playing dumb. There was no kill n1, and transcend was protected. It seems likely transcend was killed, and he had to have been killed for a reasons. Scum don't WIFOM n1 kills.

Playing dumb?

Are you saying that the fact that scum likely tried to shoot trans N1 has something to do w/ my alignment? Trans didn't really start scumreading me hard until day 2. On Day 1 I was just one of his MANY scumreads.

So again I ask: What does this have to do with MY alignment?

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VOTE: Infinity324

I think it is Infinity/JarJar/Manuel.

Why not help me bus my buddy then?

Why do you think I'm scum?

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Because you got caught trying to kill me

huh?

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JarJar is the better lynch for reasons anyone not braindead should already know

Can you pretend there are braindead people here that would like this explained to them?

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VOTE: Infinity

Cant see Gamma making that up here. If Gamma was scum he'd just let me get mislynched.

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I'd be willing to hear your side, but you need to come up with a theory about why there was no kill n1.

Huh? What does there being no kill have anything to do with my alignment? Are you just talking about stuff randomly?

Stop playing dumb. There was no kill n1, and transcend was protected. It seems likely transcend was killed, and he had to have been killed for a reasons. Scum don't WIFOM n1 kills.

Playing dumb?

Are you saying that the fact that scum likely tried to shoot trans N1 has something to do w/ my alignment? Trans didn't really start scumreading me hard until day 2. On Day 1 I was just one of his MANY scumreads.

So again I ask: What does this have to do with MY alignment?

Should I just assume this wont be getting answered?

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Can manuel explain this then?

Because you got caught trying to kill me

huh?

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So... You still believe his claim

even after evidence that it is fake

.

Yeah I'm not quite understanding Dunn right now.

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So... You still believe his claim

even after evidence that it is fake

.

Yeah I'm not quite understanding Dunn right now.

Hint: there was a bit of sarcasm at the end there

So.... vote infinity?

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Didn't realize we were speeding through another day.

No rush. Just wanna make sure your top scumread is who it should be.

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S_S was townread?!!??!?

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and another role I know of that confirmed me

excuse me?

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infinity's described role can't belong to scum

Wait what?

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We lynch in Gamma Infinity Manuel today. There has got to be a liar amongst them.

In what world can Gamma be scum here?

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We lynch in Gamma Infinity Manuel today. There has got to be a liar amongst them.

In what world can Gamma be scum here?

Like if Gamma/Infinity was a scum team, why would Gamma fake a claim to get infinity lynched?

If Gamma is scum and infinity is town then how did gamma know infinitys target?

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VOTE: Infinity-234

Don't believe it...

Read my posts.

Are you sure YOU'VE read your posts? 1520 in particular.

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It's weird though that gamma didn't see anyone else targeting zach. Means scum must have a ninja.

So who exactly is buying this? Anyone?

Also how does Infinity know that Gamma didn't see anyone else target? Like if someone says that they were a watcher and saw me target the NK, my first reaction would be "Who else did you see target them?" Not "I guess scum has a ninja".

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You're confirmed now sicko, any last words?

Huh? Confirmed what? This is the 2nd time someone has claimed that they have some type of guilty on me which is obviously impossible since I am in fact town.

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jarjar is confscum based on just that one post.

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Jar, you're really that confident, explain your motives. Your response to ira was bs and i demand a real explanation on your behaviour.
My case is that claiming you arent on the lynching wagons and you havent lynched tiwn desnt hold water because
1)you havent lynched scum either, either because you arent trying to convince the town or (more likely) you are an untrustworthy scum
2)you havent stopped us from lynching town, which means you probably townread them, which makes your point obsolete

Fair. I concede that was kind of a bad post and I shouldn't get townread for not being on the town wagons. I made it cause Ira pissed me off.

1) I'm trying to right now. And I believe my vote on S_S was a vote for scum as well.

2) I did a little in 1018. I was VLA when trans got speedlynched.

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If he is scum absorber why should he get a vig-shot from targeting scums nightkill?
Your reasoning is retarded.

Agree.



But Infinity is still scum for @ least the following reasons:
- Absorber cannot absorb the mafias kill therefore he is lying
- Gamma didnt see anyone else target therefore he is lying

Thinking that Scout modified the role is stupid.

Thinking that Gamma didnt see another target cause mafia has some kind of mystery role is stupid.

Thinking that BOTH of those things are true though...Stupid doesn't even begin to cover it.

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OK

Change to
"Thinking that Gamma didnt see another target cause mafia has a ninja is stupid."

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I mean

I also have trouble believing town has a full watcher with nothing else

Are u fishing here?

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???

So what that doesn't diminish watcher power and it's another strong town role

Cause he read your sentence the same way I did:

"also have trouble believing town has a full watcher with nothing else"

Sounds like ur saying that you cant believe the only PR town has is a watcher.

[JarJarDrinks]

So why are you playing as if you're a cop?

I saw Infinity visit the nightkill. It's as good as a cop result.

[JarJarDrinks]

I like S_S as a buddy. He's supposedly scumreading infinity but doesn't want to vote for him.

[JarJarDrinks]

poor gamma.

dude makes the correct call in who to watch, catches scum performing the kill, town refuses to lynch

[JarJarDrinks]

We're lynching jarjar/nadr.

if ur town, stop being terrible. I'm practically confirmed @ this point.

pedit: k wanting to lynch S_S is a good start.

[JarJarDrinks]

Jarjar was ignoring logic in order to bus infinity as hard as possible.

Bwhahaaahahaa

Ignoring logic OMFG!!!?!!!!!

Infinity is still scum for @ least the following reasons:
- Absorber cannot absorb the mafias kill therefore he is lying
- Gamma didnt see anyone else target therefore he is lying

That is as logical as can possibly be bro. Infinity was proven to be lying therefore he is clearly scum.

YOU were the one that ignored logic to hard-defend scum.

If you're town Dunn then you need to swallow your pride and realize that you played like an idiot yesterday.

I'm gonna reread and will likely be posting a case against S_S today.

[JarJarDrinks]

Jar's play has been unhelpful, hindering and obnoxious this whole game

Obnoxious is an opinion. If you think I'm being obnoxious then too bad, get over it. Though I'd say compared to most mafia players, I'm pretty tame.


unhelpful and hindering though I take issue with. Please post examples cause I think I've been extremely helpful. I mean, lynching scum is pretty helpful wouldn't you say?

[JarJarDrinks]

Jarjar was ignoring logic in order to bus infinity as hard as possible.

Bwhahaaahahaa

Ignoring logic OMFG!!!?!!!!!

Infinity is still scum for @ least the following reasons:
- Absorber cannot absorb the mafias kill therefore he is lying
- Gamma didnt see anyone else target therefore he is lying

That is as logical as can possibly be bro. Infinity was proven to be lying therefore he is clearly scum.

YOU were the one that ignored logic to hard-defend scum.

If you're town Dunn then you need to swallow your pride and realize that you played like an idiot yesterday.

I'm gonna reread and will likely be posting a case against S_S today.

I want to see this actually

because I was thinking that there's a chance you might be lynchbait and that I'd have to watch for that today, but this should make it pretty clear whether or not that is the case.

OK just in case anyone is wondering how to read this, here's what S_S is saying to me:

"You better not push my lynch because I'm gonna jump on your wagon if you do."


But I'm gonna save you some time here. There is no point in trying to determine if I'm lynchbait. I've played in around 15 games on this site and have NEVER been lynched. There's never even been anythng resembling a real wagon on me. I can guarantee you that nobody that has ever played mafia with me would ever call me lynchbait.

[JarJarDrinks]

@Math, I'm ignoring you cause I don't know what <redacted> means.

Tell people what you're actually thinking or expect to not be listened to.

[JarJarDrinks]

You think Watcher-Jailkeeper couldn't have had a ninja?

sure they could have. Rarely is anything ever a stone-cold lock in mafia. But the most likely answer is that the guy targetting the dead guy is the killer.

That combined w/ the fact that that absorbing scums kill doesn't normally work is more than enough for me to not consider a scenario in which infinity could have been town.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Something_Smart


First off, everything I posted here is still just as true:

Spoiler:

Something_Smart

- Scum. Has barely posted ANY scumreads this game except for the ones @ the start of the game that he immediately said weren't real reads. Like so many of his comments are just pointing stuff out and then not commiting to an actual position. And his most recent opportunistic vote on creature just came out of nowhere.

Seriously people. Look @ that ISO and tell me what his reads are. I'm the only person he's scumreading and he's still acting all wishy-washy about me.

Here's his post towards the end of day 1:

Spoiler:

When I posted 1001 I was not really against the Creature wagon; I trust that other people can read him better than I can, and his flip would definitely give a lot of info either way.
After those last three posts by Creature I'm even less against it than I was.

So note that he never actually voted for creature (cause he never commits to anything) yet he was encouraging his lynch.

His next post:

Spoiler:

please no one lolhammer. My readslist is coming soon and this post

When I posted 1001 I was not really against the Creature wagon; I trust that other people can read him better than I can, and his flip would definitely give a lot of info either way.
After those last three posts by Creature I'm even less against it than I was.

is making me think creature may be town.

Transcend
I think you are town but this is making me not like this wagon
stop

If Creature is town these two can hang next

This is clearly a post from someone that knows exactly how creature is gonna flip.


So lets look @ the next position S_S doesn't commit to. After Gamma posts his guilty and Infinity makes his claim:

Spoiler:

VOTE: Infinity
if that were true you'd also have a watcher shot lololol

UNVOTE:

Don't want him to selfhammer

so a vote followed by an immediate unvote under the pretense that it's cause he doesn't want to see a self-hammer.

Except that he never voted him again. After Dunn and Manuel suggested letting Infinity live, S_S was perfectly happy trying to allow that to happen. He didn't fight against it. He just sat there and hoped that the wagon would go away.

Though he made sure to try to get credit for the lynch by reminding everyone that he really wanted to vote Infinity but didn't cause he was scared of the self hammer

Spoiler:

VOTE: infinity

Ok sure

called it

Lol. Why not just ask for the bus credit dude?

[JarJarDrinks]

let's lynch nadr or jarjar

If you lynch me, do you agree to lynch S_S tomorrow?

[JarJarDrinks]

Can someone who's played with JarJar before tell me how his playstyle this game compares to other games?

You asked this already.

[JarJarDrinks]

nah, ur just trying to appear busy w/o actually doing anything like u have all game.

[JarJarDrinks]

Dunn, do you townread S_S?

[JarJarDrinks]

Do you think that I could have realistically expected you to NOT push my lynch? Given the lack of support for your lynch thus far, do you think I would expect such a veiled threat to effectively deter you from pushing me?

Fair points. Probably not.

I guess it's more likely that you were just trying to justify your eventual vote on me.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'll also ask you what is your definition of doing something?

scumhunting, voicing your reads and/or reasoning, trying to push a lynch, etc...

[JarJarDrinks]

Okay, my reads are: Manuel, ss, Dunnstral, Dongempire, Drinks, nadr, Mouthblade

are these scumreads?

[JarJarDrinks]

I'd be willing to hear your side, but you need to come up with a theory about why there was no kill n1.

Huh? What does there being no kill have anything to do with my alignment? Are you just talking about stuff randomly?

Very suspicious.

why?

[JarJarDrinks]

If anyone has any questions that they'd like to ask me or post an actual case I can respond to then please do.

I don't know how to defend myself when nobody is actually posting reasons to scumread me.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm here. Still wanna vote S_S. Partner is either Manuel or Dong.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm here. Still wanna vote S_S. Partner is either Manuel or Dong.

I'm not being lynched today.

Pick one of them (preferably Dong) and push them instead.

This looks like it's designed to make me vote Manual. Cause S_S has to think that I'm not gonna want to lynch who he wants me to. So he gives me 2 choices and makes it look like he prefers dong.

So I think I may want to take manual off my lynch menu now. It's between Dong and S_S for me.

[JarJarDrinks]

Is there ANY support for an S_S lynch?

[JarJarDrinks]

So we pretty much paused until we get a replacement?

[JarJarDrinks]

Bring out ALL the reasons you have to lynch me.

Have you given even ONE reason you have to lynch me?

[JarJarDrinks]

Fire should be forced to replace in to the ira slot.

[JarJarDrinks]

Um Dong. Infinity certainly WAS lynched based on a guilty.

Gamma saw that Infinity visited the night kill.

Infinity then claimed a role that didn't exist in normals AND said that the reason gamma didn't see the actual killer is cause scum must have a ninja.

Somehow it was still like pulling teeth getting him lynched.

[JarJarDrinks]

Dongempire is now my top scumread

popcorn to his biggest unclaimed scumread

Popcorn Mathblade.

[JarJarDrinks]

VT

[JarJarDrinks]

@Smart
Much more important people claim reads and are held accountable to what they say their reads are. Speaking of which did you say what your new reads are?

I was waiting until Titus claimed, but since she obviously isn't going to, I'll just say that my top scumreads now are Titus and JarJar.

Who hasn't been your top scumread today?

[JarJarDrinks]

Like how is it not extremely obvious to everyone that S_S is just fishing for a mislynch?

[JarJarDrinks]

Here's a list of all the players in the game that Something_Smart has not advocated lynching today

- Something_Smart


That's not an exaggeration.

[JarJarDrinks]

@S_S what changed your townread on me?

[JarJarDrinks]

Ss isnt scum shut up and tighten the rope already.

U talking to me? I thought I was scum? Who am I supposed to tighten the rope on?

[JarJarDrinks]

Jarjar, want to prove SS is scum?

?

[JarJarDrinks]

I was talking to titus

I thought u were scumreading titus too?

[JarJarDrinks]

Bussing 101

So S_S comes out of the day with a hardcore SR on Dong. He probably assumed that he's be the lynch today regardless cause of the hammer and wanted the towncred.

The only thing remotely right here is the part about Dongempire, and that's not even the main reason I scumread him. (For those of you not in the hood, Dongempire is now my top scumread due in part to that hammer.)

I'm not being lynched today.

Pick one of them (preferably Dong) and push them instead.

He then tells us he thinks mathblade is the scumbuddy.

I think the scumteam is Dongempire/Mathblade.

probably putting out some feelers to see if anyone would wagon math.

so as I pointed out earlier. His top scumread changed.

Dongempire is now my top scumread

popcorn to his biggest unclaimed scumread

Popcorn Mathblade.

Here he starts trying to justify the flipflop that is sure to come.

And ugh. I'm gonna need to check and see how often I am right versus wrong when I defend scummy people because I think that they're lynchbait (and I can think of a few times when I have incorrectly townread scum like this just off the top of my head), because I feel like I might do better just scumreading people who are scummy and leaving it at that.

I like the "ugh" @ the beginning to show us he's really struggling.

Why is it terribad? Of my two scumreads, you were the one I thought more likely to claim a PR.

Here he says he's still "scumreading" dong but he hasn't been making an effort to get him lynched.

I'm changing my mind again aaaaaaaaah

MmmHmm

And FYI I scumread you now.

VOTE: Titus

So now the flip to titus.

I was waiting until Titus claimed, but since she obviously isn't going to, I'll just say that my top scumreads now are Titus and JarJar.

Titus AND jarjar??? How do you just flip BOTH your scumreads like that? Like OK maybe you now scumread Titus sure but how is it that you're all of a sudden not scumreading Dong OR math @ this point?

The answer is because he sees a path to victory without needing to bus his partner so he just inexplicitly drops his dong scumread.

Like seriously justify your read change there S_S. There's no way.

Speaking of not being able to justify a read change:

@S_S what changed your townread on me?

My growing townread on Mathblade and my decision that scummy people are probably just scum.

Not sure what his townread on mathblade has to do w/ anything so his reason here is "You're acting scummy".


Seriously people. Dong/S_S is the scumteam.

[JarJarDrinks]

Not gonna respond to all of this (not yet, anyway), but:

Not sure what his townread on mathblade has to do w/ anything so his reason here is "You're acting scummy".

You don't think the fact that me townreading someone I previously scumread might have something to do with me scumreading someone I previously townread?

So you're just basically saying that I'm taking his spot in your scumreads? If that's the case then why am I not taking dongs spot? Perhaps cause you don't want to bring attention to the fact that you stopped scumreading your scumbuddy for no reason?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Something_Smart

[JarJarDrinks]

I can do dong

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: dong

[JarJarDrinks]

Titus, Vanilla Townie, has been endgamed.
Manuel87, Town 1-Shot Bulletproof, has been endgamed.

As mafia consists of at least half of the living players, they have won!

Technically S_S was still alive but as I said in my PM to you, we weren't shooting in to the bulletproof claim so it was endgame regardless.

GG all

[JarJarDrinks]

Did you have fun?

As much fun as I can have w/ a scum role. I like being town so much better.

[JarJarDrinks]

I would have shot Titus. I always believe no lynch in MyLO as either environment.

no-lynch was not gonna be good for us. Titus would have certainly wondered why she wasn't killed.

[JarJarDrinks]

PT can be released

[JarJarDrinks]

Gamma Emerald Watches Zachstralkita (Your target was visited by infinity 324) Success
Zachstralkita jails JarJarDrinks (JJD is jailed) Success

So we correctly called that Zach would jail me and audibled to Infinity who got caught by gamma

[JarJarDrinks]

we probably blew our ninja load too quick.

[JarJarDrinks]

I KNEW INFINITY WANTED TO KILL ME BUT JARJAR TALKED HIM OUT OF IT

yeah I smiled when u said that.