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So many one-off votes ... and no wagons ... what is with you people?
VOTE: Keyen
Scum who replaced out of Kids TV Characters always deserves a wagon. Pile on folks!"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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If you loved wagons so much why didn’t you make a vote to start one originally?In post 17, Elena Fisher wrote:I agree wagons are fun let's start one shall we?
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So basically “He once flailed so he can’t be scum”?In post 18, mattblackguy wrote:Wagon on Key won't tell us much. Last game I played with him he flailed hard when being wagoned and selfvoted at L-1 without claiming his role (he was town tracker)
VOTE: Mattblack
Scum found … call me Day 2 if I survive the night."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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In post 24, TwoFace wrote:with a shitty vote like that nobody is going to kill you"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Of course you didn't write those specific words. Derp. I'm looking at your reasoning.In post 27, mattblackguy wrote:I never said anything like this. I said wagon on key won't give us much information, because knowing him he'll just get himself lynched if he's town.
I like how you're twisting my words into something I never said though. I like where my vote is right now.
You are quick to attack the concept of a wagon on Keyen. Using what appears to be a single game piece of meta to justify that there is no way a wagon on Keyen will yield useful information. Effectively you are trying to justify that any reaction from Keyen is NAI which is bad.
Too strong a defense for a page 1 "wagon" with exactly two votes. My vote is well placed also it seems."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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So what bad player are you an alt of?In post 32, TwoFace wrote:So magna is scum or can be ignored. Good to figure that out early"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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If you were as good as you seem to think you are you'd understand the process of what I am doing.In post 35, TwoFace wrote:I'm not an alt of a bad player. If you are actually being genuine about your read on matt based on what you've posted, I'm confident that my statement in 32 is a good one.
If you're town your grasping at things that aren't scummy. Now if this is some shitty reaction test and you aren't serious, 32 still applies.
I'm pretty good at this game. You should just sheep me
Go sit in the corner quietly. This isn't Road to Rome and I don't have time to explain the basics of the game to you."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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As I thought ... an alt. So I can treat your insults as a tactic. Noted.In post 40, TwoFace wrote:Hopefully you're scum cause i don't remember you being this shitty.
I'll start ignoring you now."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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So if Barley isn’t a player who is so reviled on their main for bad play that’s scum. That’s the only conclusion that can be drawn from the series of posts. Especially with 47 and 50.
So Barley … are you willing to share?
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In post 48, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I find validity in your question - basically he took someone saying 'wagoning this guy is an issue because I've seen him derp hammer as town PR when wagoned' and translated that to, somehow, a scumtell to point out. It seems a good thing to point out, just in general, and also a valid reason to not support a wagon. I fail to see any scum intent at all, and even accepting the natural relative strength of an RVS wagon it's not a valid tell to pursue even then.
So Sheep … talk to me about how given you posted the later understanding that early game scum-hunting is mainly finding things to pick at that you think my push on Matt is not exactly that. I’m all ears and await your response.In post 58, Cooperative Sheep wrote:At this stage, they're one and the same in my opinion - do you disagree?
Because 82 feels like “aha, I can put this mislynch in my back pocket for later” play to me.
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Look how useful and Town this player is. This way no-one can possibly mis-hammer and thus can be held accountable immediately after my flip.In post 90, Boonskiies wrote:L-2"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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I should self-vote to see if this is true ... that way I know to avoid Boon in all future games.In post 92, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:PSA - Should Magna go to L-1, Boon will hammer without stating intent.
That is all."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Ok thenIn post 96, Barleycorn wrote:nobody has an issue with my main and i created this alt for emotional reasons. if i am playing poorly this game it's because i probably shouldn't be signing up for games right now - but i'm making do.
VOTE: Barley"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Personally I don’t see moving my vote anytime soon. Barley’s “Oh god replace me my slot is dead” when he has exactly one vote (mine) and I’m sitting at 5 votes is not a Town reaction IMO.
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Yeah I get that’s what you said. You are incorrect but there you have it.In post 98, Cooperative Sheep wrote:What I stated was that town finds things to jump on early.
I never said you should find non-scum indicative things to jump on.
I did say what I saw you jump on was not scum indicative.
Matt (who has yet to weigh in) said “Hey this one time Keyen flailed as a Town Powerrole and got himself lynched so that is a bad wagon”. Well personally as scum I saw Keyen get pressured and he didn’t get lynched for flailing. He survived the pressure which abated and then he replaced out later.
So Matt’s premise is invalid (which by the way Keyen said as much himself). A wagon on Keyen may well have shown some alignment indicative behavior. So what you claim is “Town behavior” actually undermined what could have been useful Town information.
Yup that’s the question. It is contingent on Barley’s slot being Town so given his recent replace out I’m tabling it for the moment.In post 98, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I can see it being read like that - that said, you kind of seemed to agree with my presented reasoning on the slot also (per your post 91), so I would presume you can understand how a town player can see that info and draw that conclusion - so the only question is if you think I, as town would either full tunnel the idea, or would have issues with it but move on and if I'd do different as scum."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Scum have this little thing call being the informed minority. You might have heard of it. Who is in the best position to talk against what they think can be framed as a bad wagon / action / pressure what have you? Scum. Town don’t know for certain that the player isn’t scum on page 1. Speaking out strongly isn’t going to backfire on Scum (and yes, I’m ignoring Multiball concerns for the moment) and make them look bad. Is it a smoking gun? Of course not. But for page 2 it’s certainly enough to press on.In post 122, Cooperative Sheep wrote:So what I'm getting from this is that you disagree with his assessment of the slot.
How does that make what he did a scum action as opposed to a town whose meta read of a given player you disagree with?
Because the only theory I can even see would require both of them to be scum, and the one you didn't vote being the more required of the pair, yeah?
Also – a single game instance is not meta. Furthermore meta as used on MS is pretty much junk. So framing that as “a Town meta read” is just bad.
Um no. Town losing a member to lynch Day 1 is overall less damaging to their odds of winning the game than it is for Scum. That’s basic Mafia. So that strong of an emotional reaction when he wasn’t anywhere near on the line for lynch is far too overwrought. Unless Barley is just a terrible player but he’s said he isn’t and wasn’t willing to talk about who his main was to shed light on it. The fact that he is still floating around and saying he "can't make the effort" doesn't make me feel too wrong on that count.In post 122, Cooperative Sheep wrote:It's an emotional reaction, as either town or scum he was feeling the feels.
I, frankly, vibed it as more town than scum, so I can't really judge someone who read it the other way as I think it's probably a gut reaction to read emotion.
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This is probably scum … either that or just god-awful play. I mean the bolded is basically a ticket back to Road to Rome …In post 126, TwoFace wrote:I still haven't see anything from him that reads town. Everything reads scum trying to look town. That's why I wanted him to self vote so boon would hammer.He didn't which leads me to think he's scum also"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Bullshit.In post 134, TwoFace wrote:Had you self voted there you would have proven you aren't afraid of getting lynched and would have basically been near confirmed town in my eyes barring a magna/boon team.
VOTE: TwoFace
Self-voting is never a reason to Town read someone. Period. The only reason you should ever self-vote is to prevent a no-lynch that hurts Town by robbing them of information if you are not a useful role. Your "I would think you were near confirmed Town" is either a garbage argument from a bad Town player or scum looking to justify their weak scum read. But since you are "so good" I'll just assume scum ..."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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So I’m wondering where Matt went … he did post elsewhere on site yesterday but not here. Need content from that slot since he’s basically done nothing.
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My top scum pick besides TwoFace is your slot which you should have picked up on that based on your re-read. That’s of course independent of partnership concerns which pre-flip I don’t think make too much sense. I’ll get a better read on you I think in the coming days.In post 165, Lycanfire wrote:@Magna 2F's interactions have been pretty suspect. What would be your top pick for a scum partner of 2F?
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Maybe there is two scum there maybe not. Elena has posted really nothing alignment indicative and BBT is playing as I expect – to not make any waves which is regardless of his alignment. He lives too long and never finds scum and BoP is biting him in the ass so I’m not even bothering trying to sort him as of now.In post 163, Human Sequencer wrote:MagnaofIllusion: Elena Fisher, mattblackguy, TwoFace, BlueBloodedToffee, Cooperative Sheep
Matt makes the most sense as a partner on wagon given that TwoFace started effectively chainsawing for him the second I voted and pushed Matt. But that’s basically between himself and Sheep. It would not shock me if either BBT or Elena were scum. So no strong read there.
Off the wagon Boon and Momo are complete empty slots and no way to judge them. And nothing about the way Grey, Key and Jaack have approached my wagon is super telling either. Roll the dice? Maybe Key with the way it looks like he’s trying to softly reign in TwoFace. Not really solid but best I have for page 7.
You find it amusing? I find it blacklist worthy …In post 163, Human Sequencer wrote:MagnaofIllusion: Elena Fisher, mattblackguy, TwoFace, BlueBloodedToffee, Cooperative Sheep
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No … not really. Matt talked about how a wagon on Keyen could not possibly be useful based on a 1 game meta read while Key had exactly 2 votes. That’s not a wagon. I’ve already discussed how there was every possibility that a wagon on Key might have provided useful information.In post 136, TwoFace wrote:Town talk about bad wagons all the time, even as early as page 1/2. It's a crap reason to push on and you are experienced enough to know that. So you acting like you don't know that is why you need rope. You are near confirmed scum to me now.
What’s his Town motivation to try to pre-emptively derail a possible RVS wagon (which rarely go to lynch since most reasonable people know it is just for reactions) that might yield alignment information on Keyen on such weak reasoning? I’ve yet to see you provide that.
I mean it’s pretty clear from this post and 144 show that TwoFace isn’t actually processing the game from a Town perspective but is basically looking at every angle to say “MoI is scum lynch lynch lynch” with no substance or thoughtfulness to why. Just empty rhetoric like “He can’t be Town / He’s 100% being lynched today” with a touch of unwarranted insults. Basically a knock-off of Radiant Cowbells (who is himself a pale imitation of Fate) without any accomplishment to support the ego.
Further the fact that he’s not even looking at anyone else as scum is a sign this isn’t a Town push. In fact he’s gone so far as to say that me having multiple scum reads (with his “threw away that” line which is nonsensical because having multiple scum reads and only 1 vote means putting pressure on multiple players requires vote movement) is more evidence I’m scum.
A false conclusion since I’m not worried about being lynched.In post 143, TwoFace wrote:It's not willingness to die. It's not being afraid of it."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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First let me mention the bolded is a direct lie. We've never played in any common games before. And if his response to this is "I've read games" then he knows I'm not terrible and every part of his "you are bad" / "he is playing bad this game" is rhetoric garbage.In post 171, TwoFace wrote:This all started because Matt didn't think it was a good idea to pressure key. I actually agree with Matt. The assumption magna made without any sort of questioning to me was a blantabt attempt to attack a player for something that on the surface may seem scummy to some, but in reality isn't at all. Typically scum make those attacks. Sometimes bad town players do also.I am familiar enough with magna to know he's not a bad player.
Of course he's clearly an alt so there is that ...
And further let me remind you he's talking about what is effectively a RVS vote in painting it as "scum attack" is pretty damn funny. As has previously been said - of course it was thin reasoning. Page 1 isn't going to have solid reasoning. Progressing the game as quickly as possible is Pro-Town."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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I mean right on cue we get this ... do you really think he believes that Matt was a solid scum read for me on Page 1?In post 174, TwoFace wrote:WAIT, Why isn't matt a scum read anymore?
You're still arguing his push was bad yet me and Lycan are your top scumnreads?
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Except he didn't flail as scum when I saw him wagonned (not in RVS but Day 1) so the whole crux of this argument is blow-up. Which if you were Town you should have understood when Keyen himself said he didn't flail anymore.In post 177, TwoFace wrote:Rvs wagons are good to gather us info. If you rvs wagon a player who flails as either alignment, how will that gain us info? It doesn't. RVS wagon somebody who isn't a weak player and see how they respond.
He self hammered as town tracker for god sake."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Where did everyone go? I would have thought TwoFace for certain would be swooping in to extol the praises of the hammer if he really was as solid on me as scum as he's claimed.
Or he isn't as gullible as Grey since that wasn't a hammer ..."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Lol. momo replaced Cch who never posted ...In post 190, -Grey- wrote:Seems you're the gullible one, because momo replaced sheep & put you back at L-1."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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@Elena– you didn’t answer Lycan’s question about your read on me. Why not? Also … what did you get from the wagon given you aren’t voting anyone?
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You think Gin is scum choosing to lurk out the early RVS wagon on me?In post 194, Cooperative Sheep wrote:Since your vote isn't at work, you should sheep me onto Gin. Either we'll get posts out of him, or we'll put him in lulz hammer range and Boon will do that, so it's a pretty awesome plan.
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And posts like this are why I think you are scum. You, an acknowledged alt, act as if there isn’t this thing called hyperbole. The fact that you are peddling that my post voting him on Page 1 is a “rock solid must be taken 100% at face value” read is bad. It was a tool to move the game forward. And it worked … it has got you to over-commit to this stance that you now are trying to extricate yourself from. The awkwardness with which you are trying to transition to back form “MoI is 100% scum” to “maybe he’s Town who doesn’t make sense” makes me happy with my vote.In post 184, TwoFace wrote:The point is he wasn't a good target to push an rvs lynch on. That's what matt was saying. I actually agree with matt. You didn't obviously. That's fine. You are allowed to disagree but you took it a step further and tried to imply his statement was scummy. Correction. You flat out called him scum.
Now he's not even a scum read for you. Which is another bad progesssion.
Also the fact you need to justify yourself in 195 shows you are too self-conscious about how people perceive you. If I’m so obviously scum as you have droned on about why feel the need to answer the statement I made?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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I think it is telling that TwoFace’s reads in 214 are basically “Everyone who disagrees with me on my push on Magna are scum”.
Yeah I didn’t see it at the end of your previous post. Thanks.In post 208, Elena Fisher wrote:@Magna I did answer it's in the 2nd part of my last post, You must've missed it
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@Matt– What reads are you getting from your “useful reactions” of Grey, Sheep and Elena?
Frankly I don’t care about your limited ability to understand Town motivations if you are Town. It was page 1 and moving the game forward was my primary goal. Now if you are scum please continue to cling to the empty notions you (and TwoFace) are putting forward.In post 217, mattblackguy wrote:I can understand the fact that your vote on me was a tool to move the game forward, but to move the game forward you didn't have to go and twist my words to make it seem like what I was saying what scummy. If you genuinely didn't agree or understand what I was trying to say you could have asked me about it. You don't really look like you're hunting for scum. You just look like you're hunting for reasons to scumread someone. You're taking posts with no scum motivation behind them and making a shit load of assumptions just to try to paint the post as scummy. Now I don't see the town motivation in that.
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The timing of the bolded after I’ve called out that you weren’t looking for any partners is telling (aka scum saying “Oops … hafta pretend to be more Town”).In post 210, TwoFace wrote:I answered you're question cause I don't ignore questions. I'm not trying to extricate my self from anything. You're getting lynched today. That's a fact. I just unvoted cause there is no need to end the day yet.I can look for your partners.
The empty and hilarious rhetoric is just amusing. From now I’m referring to TwoFace as DimCowbells.
Lol …just lol.In post 212, TwoFace wrote:You said "scum found" which implies 100% certainty. Don't give me that bullshit about rvs or page 2, cause even in rvs town isn't allowed to lie.
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First off … Boon my man I worry about your health with all the caffeine (or stronger substances) you have to be ingesting to fuel that sort of post explosion. Maybe switch to half-caf or something. But I directly want to ask you- what do you think of the fact that BBT was the person who claimed that LOLhammering without a claim was “your thing”?
After seeing Matt and DC strongly defend each other over the last couple of pages and one of TwoFace’s comments I have an epiphany about an actual viable alternative to them being scum buddies. If I’m right they both have played this game terribly but that will be sorted out sooner I expect.
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VOTE: Momo
In post 183, momo wrote:VOTE: MagnaofIllusion
Not as sure as TwoFace because I understand that it is page 8 but still want this lynch.
I type in red now.In post 488, momo wrote:The size of this game doubled in a few hours lol.....
These posts alone should suffice as explanation but given he’s giving absolutely no content other than sheeping whatever is the flavor of the minute wagons and getting no pressure at all should tell people something. Especially since this slot was never mentioned in the “What lurker should we run up” debate (Boon or Gin / ZZ were floated).In post 520, momo wrote:Okay boon I agree with everything said in post 518.I am not voting you because I don't want someone at L-2 this early in the gamebut in my book you are scum right now. Later on in the game I will vote if you. I am making this clear now.
Also look at the bolded in the last quote and ask yourself … if this is really Town saying this why did he vote me to L-2 on page 8?
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Nah it really isn’t. Why would you even suggest it is?In post 331, Elena Fisher wrote:You say I'm scum for voting a townread? That's really bad logic.
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Nah... you don't have to worry about him.In post 185, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Well that is L-1 let's see if Boon swoops in to hammer without a claim ...
VOTE: Magna
Since you knew a hammer was imminent, you had your chance to claim.
Toodles.
Please Grey … sign me the Song of your People on why you care one iota about claimed intent …In post 362, -Grey- wrote:Well any utility you had is gone now.
You didn't even wait until L-1, let alone intent.
Scum are in a better position to be able to assess whether Town has certain power roles than any Town player. For example – scum could have a Ninja and thus assess aside from ModWIFOM that Town most likely has a Watcher / Tracker / Motion Detector or some combination as a PR.In post 471, -Grey- wrote:How does scum know what town PR's are in the game?
TwoFace has no idea what he is talking about as usual if he is Town. The only role that would make sense for that claim would be an Informed Town Role in which case he badly bungled the Pro-Town way to handle it.
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When you make sweeping and really unsupportable statements like “I can’t ever see that from Town” it shows that your ability to understand Town motivation is pretty limited. Throwing around empty buzzwords like OMGUS doesn’t help your case.In post 246, mattblackguy wrote:Lol, I have a limited ability to understand town motivation? What about your bullshit pushes on both me and Twoface? Your reason for scumreading me in the first place was garbage, and your push on Twoface is only omgus fueled. Twoface has done nothing scummy so far. If you're town then why don't you just drop it, and actually hunt for scum?
You actively defending TwoFace’s dumb “Lynch All Liars” stance is another chip in favor of poor understanding of Town play. Lynch All Liars may have applications situationally but his stance that it applies to ever portion of the game is just stupid. I mean … someone could have a policy to “Lynch All Jerks” since insulting other players doesn’t help to build Town unity and can be viewed as counter-productive by some players. They could use that policy to push to have TwoFace lynched. If your response is “That’s a bad policy” whelp then now you see why his stance on LaL is at best terrible play.
As to your weak meta “I’ve played with TwoFace before” argument – I’m setting it aside for reasons …
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Yes it is. You've claimed that I must be scum for pushing Matt on Page 1 in an exaggerated manner as lying. Please don't pretend otherwise.In post 524, TwoFace wrote:but here is the thing. This isn't a "lynch all liars" issue
this is a player fake claimed, got called out for the fake claim, and retracted his claim after being caught issue."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Hey Boon – care to comment on Momo and my thoughts on him?
Same invitiation is extended to Elena / BBT / ZZ / Lycan. I would very much like to hear your thoughts.
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Nah. I think I’ll refer to you as “Dual Countenance” or “Second Tier Batman Villain” as your panties are riding so high up your rear that they are apparently chafing which amuses me.In post 522, TwoFace wrote:refer to me as twoface, 2face, face, Two, 2, or TF. Those are the only acceptable ways you can refer to me.
Nah. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.In post 523, TwoFace wrote:This is completely wrong on all levels but we don't need to worry about that right now
Lol. Just lol. I mean – you just are bad at this. Your very limited grasp on the concept that everyone doesn’t view how Town play exactly as you do is just mind-boggling. And knowing you are an alt it makes me think your main is basically known for poor play and your empty Radiant Cowbells style bravado is just overcompensation.In post 526, TwoFace wrote:At this point you are confirmed scum because we have caught scum in boon and you are still arguing with the townie who basically caught him instead of voting boon. Add that to the multiple reasons I gave and the entirely accurate post that matt gave which summarized your play this game.
Facts for you chief – I know you are at best 1 for 2 on your “Confirmed scum” calls. Odds actually are favorable you are 0/2 given that statistically Boon only has a 1/4 chance of drawing scum. Now given what I think is going on with you and Matt I can’t afford to let you run wild with your terribleness in thread as you will lose the game for Town with your chronic inability to assess what is actually scum behavior as opposed to the “Yuz don’tz playz lika mesa, yuze skumz” endless repetition you keep yammering on about.
Go sit in the corner and let those who know what they are doing find the scum. Right now you are just that yappy little ankle-biting mongrel that thinks he a big attack dog and my patience with that is nearing an end."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Do you need a general "How to Assess the Probability any Player Drew Scum" guide Keyen?In post 546, keyenpeydee wrote:How do you know this?
This is a 13 player game. I know I'm Town. Thus there are 12 other players.
The next step is a general assumption. Being a Mini Game odds are very, very favorable there are only 3 non-Town in the game: 3 Mafia or 2 Mafia and a Serial Killer. Is it possible 4? Maybe but not very common in the very heavily vetted Mini Normal group.
So just on a pure math standpoint 3/12 is 1/4.
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MOD - Will be V/LA this weekend as usual.
Work is crushing me this week. Given the general non-spammy activity I should be able to get caught up Monday."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Elena– I’d love for you to explain what conclusions you drew from the early wagon on me.
@ZZ– what happened to the conclusions from 599? That looks like a huge batch of IIoA given you never solidified down to what all that nice linking work and comments is supposed to mean read wise …
Momo is still my top choice for scum at this juncture. The explanation that “No-one hammers on Page 8” from 585 is pretty empty. And the following posts by Momo are scummy –
RadiantCowbells and Firebringer are two examples of players who constantly fake-claim as Town. Now I don’t know if Momo has experience with either but portraying that behavior as only scum motivated is suspect.In post 688, momo wrote:So I will probably end the day voting either boon or magna and you should do.
I mean they fake claimed and then went back on their claim.
That is a a scum move gone wrong.
Feel like we should start with magna since boon claimed bipolar so......
Also the whole line of “Post your Diagnosis” he is pushing with Boon is scummy as heck. There is no world where it is OK to ask someone to post a personal medical diagnosis on a public forum. If you are Town you just disregard if you have concerns about said claim. You don’t badger someone to post private and sensitive medical information. Basically what I see is grand-standing from Momo to back off his “we shouldn’t lynch Boon first he claimed bipolar”.
697 is pretty much a carbon copy of the above but I want to address the following point –
This is not a Town thought process. Why if I’m so Obv-scum should the day not be ending? Everyone has had plenty of time to comment on the game. No reason to hold of lynching scum at this stage. This reads as very much “Have to cross my t and dot my i so when the mislynch happens I don’t get dinged for it”.In post 697, momo wrote:Don't think the day should end just yet(give accused a chance to defend) but when push comes to shove. Magna is obv!scum.
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So do you think Momo scum fits with your Elena scum read?In post 562, Lycanfire wrote:they had an unamusing entrance indicative of lazy scum or a townie that doesn't want to share reads yet. since they had replaced in hours previous i'm not sure it's the latter. they gave intent on boons. putting them to l-2 no-k, supposedly hammering ok. no real evolution in reads or attempt to further the game. probscum. regardless of alignment does not articulate themselves well.
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It isn’t.In post 573, keyenpeydee wrote:Bonnie could be a Jester if that role is considered as Normal.
So let’s be clear – you were Town reading Matt and he replaced out with zero pressure. And you actively think you need to re-assess that slot then?In post 642, keyenpeydee wrote:Yup. TwoFace, Lycanfire, and that mattblackguy (he chose to replace out, so I need to rethink once the replacer got in)
So please evaluate the scum motivation to fake-claim and then retract immediately and claim VT. I’d love to see your logic here.In post 694, keyenpeydee wrote:However, he claimed, what was it? 1-shot BP? and immediately said that was a lie.
That doesn't feel right and it doesn't sound from town."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Well I eagerly await you actually committing to some reads …In post 759, ZZZX wrote:I skimmed the rest and promised an in-depth analysis tomorrow as I have a test
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See this is the narrative that I’m really questioning – there is no scum motivation to that play either. Scum Boon doesn’t have to retract a fake-claim of a PR to claim VT. If you argument is “That’s just so people would say he’s Town for doing so” you are undercutting your own stance by saying there is no Town motivation.In post 769, ThinkBig wrote:I am comfortable with this vote. There is absolutely no town motivation at all to claim a PR, get ran up, vote for yourself, and then admit that you lied about having the PR that you didn't. I do not want this anywhere near MyLo/Lylo. I also don't like the attempts to divert attention away from this and the attempts to start a counterwagon.
This is just people saying “I can’t see Town perspective so it is scum” which is plain weak.
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What do you think about Momo?In post 761, -Grey- wrote:Willing to lunch either Sheep or ZZZX, somebody tap me if they become a thing.
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Well part of me wants to cheekily say “Thanks for agreeing with me” since you probably meant to say “doesn’t mean Boon ISN’T scum” …In post 776, keyenpeydee wrote:Just because you played with players who fake-claim as town doesn't mean Boon is scum,
The fact that other players have done it as Town means that the entire narrative you are trying to hook your train to is busted so unless you can show direct scum reasoning why it makes sense for Boon as scum to do that I’m going to be looking at you hard for pushing a non-viable angle.
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Nope. Please continue to pointlessly state this though ..In post 765, TwoFace wrote:THOSE ARE THE ONLY 2 FUCKING OPTIONS TODAY"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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In post 783, TwoFace wrote:
Its like how can you see him make up a reason for a crappy push. Defend that reason and when under pressure say it was all a lie and think town would do something like that.In post 781, Boonskiies wrote:Like, how does one look at 778 and see him as scum?
They wouldn't. So if somehow you aren't scum (doubtful) he definitely is and is just buddying you.
Though you both being scum is the most obvious and simplest solution. Occam's razor and what not.In post 786, TwoFace wrote:
I've seen it before.In post 784, Boonskiies wrote:Who defends their partner that hard day 1? Like actually, though.
But fine. Why can't he be scum trying to pocket you? Trying to make himself look better since he has already made himself look bad
The irony of calling others play bad when posting this string of bending over backwards to justify his personal stances (which I have already shown to be weak) is not lost on me.In post 787, TwoFace wrote:Also early on you said you wouldn't vote magna. If magna is scum wouldn't he want to keep you on his side, at least for today? also with you around, the attention is off him.
You are essentially helping him hope people forget about his bad play.
I'd ask him to pick a narrative to go with his empty "these two and no-one else are lynched today" but know he can't. The only way we should be chain lynched (another example of bad posting on DualSkinonBone's posting) is if he thinks we are both scum.
Yet he's now trying to appeal to Boon (who he keeps calling 100% scum) to vote me since I'm "pocketing" him."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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You didn’t parse that correctly. I was saying that DSOB was alternating theories between “MoI and Boon are partners” to “Boon MoI is scum trying to pocket you”.In post 790, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I agree with you that he's hard pushing his Boon+you narrative to an odd degree, but he isn't trying to pocket Boon as far as I can tell either, he basically called Boon scum for about four posts and then tossed out a 'but if you wish a reason based on you being town than; blah-blah" answer, which hardly feels like a pocket attempt - at least I don't call someone scum repeatedly when trying to pocket them.
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This is why I continue to point out his bad posting even with my Epiphany about what I think can be going on with himself and ThingBig … he’s just repeating empty phrases over and over that pretty much have been rejected by most of the rest of the game as “just because you think something doesn’t mean it is true to everyone”. Even if he is Town the emptiness to his logic and posting is Anti-Town and best shown to be such.In post 794, TwoFace wrote:Boon is scum cause his actions make no sense from town
Magna is scum cause his actions make no sense from town"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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I don't have any interest in "defending myself" because there is nothing to defend against. Just you rambling on and on about "Town never does this" which again is just bad play.In post 803, TwoFace wrote:Note he has no interest in actually defending himself or even boon but would rather just discredit me despite admitting twice he knows I'm some sort of PR.
Your empty "Oh this is happening" tacked onto the end doesn't change things."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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No it is called playing the game. Without belaboring the point - just the possibility of you having a role doesn't mean you are worth listening to. Sorry if that stings. Perhaps you'd be worth listening to if didn't couch your ever argument in Black and White notions that don't make much sense or are hidden by bad policies like "Lynch all Liars". You can't explain any depth to things that show actual scum intent. You just keep repeating things like "Town doesn't do that" and ignoring the many examples you've been shown or had explained to you that show you are wrong.In post 808, TwoFace wrote:I've stated AT LEAST 4 different things you've done that is scummy. You have ignored them or brushed them off while discrediting me.
Ignoring these and acting like they don't exsist and/or discrediting a person you KNOW is a PR is not town motivated. It's 100% scum motivated.
My job as Town is to find scum (like Momo who you completely ignore BTW) and make sure Town doesn't get derailed by bad pushes. You can whine I'm "discrediting" you all you want when the fact is I'm simply pointing out how you are discrediting yourself in your posts. Maybe you are just playing poorly as Town. I haven't ruled out the possibility that you are scum who is grandstanding about being a PR to try to divert any protective roles away from actual Town players.
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Fun fact for everyone not DSOB - ISO him and do a search for Momo.In post 812, TwoFace wrote:2. I haven't ignored Momo. I haven't ignored anyone
Then tell me if he is actually paying attention to Momo's posting in a way that shows any thoughts about sorting Momo."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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But you are missing the key point - TSOB isn't trying to parse Boon's response in any way that makes him re-think Boon's alignment. He's simply saying what he thinks he needs to say to continue to scum-read me. His stance is still "Boon and MoI are both confirmed scum".In post 815, Cooperative Sheep wrote:Yes, but he was doing so in response to Boon's argument of why you were town for defending him - Face's initial stance was 'both are scum' but he eventually offered a theory where, even from Boon's viewpoint, that you wouldn't be clear town. It's not actually a real shift in his position methinks.
If he was rationally approaching the interaction with Boon and saying "Hmmm ... well maybe you aren't scum so let's discuss why you Town read MoI". Nope. It is just window dressing.
But let's talk about Momo ... what do you think of my recent post on his stances and scum intent from them?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Well given your top two are Town (me) and Boon (who I don't think seems likely scum given how easily his slot was quick-wagonned on lurker status given the lack of pressure on other lurker slots) are at best 1/2 and probably 0/2 the fact that you acknowledge you are too lazy to look beyond your limited and myopic views isn't surprising. So given you don't bother to actually explain who your other two scum reads above Momo are in any useful fashion (and I doubt you've nailed possible Momo partners in those mystery slots) I'll just reserve this for the time Momo ever flips scum to show you how weak your game play was to this point.In post 814, TwoFace wrote:I've got 4 scummy people ahead of Momo so why would I waste time on him or anyone else for that matter?
That of course assumes you are Town which I'm still not 100% on."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Oh you aren't parsing my exchange with TSOC then - I'm more leaning him just being terrible Town at this stage for a number of reasons. But I absolutely am not letting him get away with crappy empty rhetoric and spamming the thread when I'm fairly confident him getting either of his ways today is a Town lynch.In post 822, Cooperative Sheep wrote:@Magna - I think I get that point, I've said on a couple of occasions that I find him oddly focused and tunneled - I think the difference is you presume scum intentional blindness on his part, and I'm approaching it from a stance of personal annoyance/playstyle blinding him. I absolutely agree with you that he has blinders on, I don't automatically translate that to scum intent.
He stops junk posting "ONLY THESE TWO GET LYNCHED TODAY" and using Appeal to Repetition and I'll happily work on Momo's possible partners."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Hey look ... scum posting!In post 826, momo wrote:Magna and Boon are scum buddies.
There slip ups mirror each others, as if following a plan.
They are defending each other to extreme levels. Both of them redacted a scum claim. If I was town in their shoes, I would attack the other. If scum, I would attack my attacker. What are they doing????
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So looking at the game-state anyone who wants to sell “MoI and Boon are scum partners” is either scum or just had no clue how to read a game-state. Boon and I have been the dominant wagons all day long (with a minor excursion to Elena that makes me think she’s more likely Town but I would have to look at the vote movement to be sure). So yeah …
BBT is probably scum.
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First off lynching scum is always better than mislynching Town. Always. So downplaying the validity of it as a wagon makes me wonder … why would you go out of your want to do so Day 1 with no flips?In post 867, Lycanfire wrote:Something bothering me from the moment Elena matched Boons was that there was a dropoff in unique contributions, people saying they would catch up and so on. In this time there has only been ZZZX's arrival, Momo's re-arrival, sheep vs Grey, Momo attempting to "compromise" with 2F, and 2F affirming Boons|Magna being lynched and then that Boons is being lynched. Nothing really breaking from the status quo beyond Grey's vote-change. Anyone not of the original Elena wagon (Grey, Jack, Boons, myself) is fair game-slight bias towards people nearly flaking out of the game, but like I'm implying I don't like the altwagon being dug in concurrently with the Elena wagon/lack of consensus.
Is going for Momo here your best lynch? What is a Momo scumflip going to tell us?
Momo stands as my best bet for scum. Too much of his posting is basically confirming the current game-state (the two most viable wagons are scum) in a way that demonstrates he actually isn’t getting reads. Furthermore he’s focused on all the wrong things (Boons and the whole Bipolar issue) in his posting . He’s looking for reasons to continue simply pushing on the most uncontroversial stance possible.
His reads aren’t evolving as his subsequent posting has demonstrated (Still standing that he’s ‘caught two scum’ which has to be myself and Boon). I’ve already addressed this with Sheep so rather than go for repeat commentary why aren’t you fully catching up? I mean the thread is not that long.In post 867, Lycanfire wrote:Is it a bad thing for 2F to say something sane like imply his reads are evolving, not shitpost by necessitating the lynch of two players etc. Why chastise over commend 2F for this and use it a means to continue your own reads?
Is 2F scum with Momo?
And no DSOC isn’t likely partners with Momo. If DSOC is scum it is with ThingBig 100%. And very unlikely that scum Momo directly drafts in DSOC’s shadow as partners when him eventually being proven dead wrong makes DSOC (and by transitive associations Momo) look scummy.
No. Why would you think that? The only wagon of the three that seems likely to have a chance at hitting scum is Elena. And as I said above even then I’d have to look at the wagon closely to see who moved there and where they went when the wagon quickly fell to decide if I think that is the case.In post 868, Lycanfire wrote:This may be a hold-my-beer post but this can be interpreted that you think Boons is a town mislynch altwagon to yourself AND you are town AND your wagon comp isn't bad THEN scum are ignoring (2) mislynches (yourself, 1 of boons|elena). From your pov in this post shouldn't 1 of boons|elena be a town driven scum lynch?
Scum aren’t ignoring a mislynch on myself or Boon. The game-state means they don’t probably feel comfortable that apathy is going to take hold and enough people are just going to say “Fuck it, taking too long, let’s lynch one and sort it out tomorrow”. So they are just sitting back. Which is why I suspect BBT at this stage. Jaack also fits that profile. Elena maybe fills that void as well but as I said I have to look back at how her wagon came together to see what I think. Scum certainly don't have to stick their necks out when if I am correct about DSOC / ThingBig they have honorary scum doing the work for them which they then can attack down the line.
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And this kind of post from BBT is why I’m leaning scum on him. He’s done nothing this game. Look at his ISO. Prod-dodge and excuse after prod-dodge. Yet now he is decrying a lack of lynch when he’s done nothing to actually help find scum at all.In post 842, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:34 pages and no lynch - bad times.
BBT is probs scum hoping to wait out a mislynch on myself or Boon at this stage.
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Um … I haven’t. Again you are either just playing piss-poor leaning on things that just poor reasons to scum-read anyone or you are scum. I can’t explain to you why you hold bad beliefs on stances that you do. That’s your own job to parse out.In post 829, TwoFace wrote:if I assume this is true, please tell me why you've played like scum?
And this is why I think my role read on you is correct and you are just bad. Because your lack of seeing even a single post that is “good to me” is a you problem. I mean my wagon consists of you and ThinkBig who are either scum partners or badly playing [INSERT THING HERE], BBT (who is lurking I think purposefully at this stage and may be scum), Grey (who hopped on because Sheep isn’t voting me which is … shrug-worthy) and Momo (pretty clearly scum that you want to ignore said scum posting).In post 829, TwoFace wrote:There isn't a single post of yours that looks good to me. I see no genuine scum hunting and when people make good points against you, goi either ignored them, discredit thrk, or respond poorly.
I’ve already done this. Why do you keep saying asking for the same thing? I explain to you why your reasoning was poor (it resolves around stances that aren’t scum-hunting tools but poor stances like LynchAllLiars) and you rejected it outright. Why do you think I want to waste my time doing in again?In post 829, TwoFace wrote:There isn't a single post of yours that looks good to me. I see no genuine scum hunting and when people make good points against you, goi either ignored them, discredit thrk, or respond poorly.
Lol. Just lol.In post 851, TwoFace wrote:Except I've found 2 scum and you've found zero."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Abbreviations for DualSkinoverBone / TwinSkinoverBone/Cranimum. My pet names for TwoFace.In post 868, Lycanfire wrote:Lastly, what are:
dsob
dsob
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because i'm not going to play games only to have you spell out dankest later or something stupid.
I'm a little surprised you didn't pick this up in reading my posts."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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No they haven’t. You keep repeating this over and over but that doesn’t make it true.In post 872, TwoFace wrote:Every single vote you have made this game has been for NON AI or even NON scummy reasons.
My vote on Matt was a pressure vote on something that I found suspect. You repeating over and over that it isn’t really is not my problem.
My vote on Momo is absolutely for hunting scum and it is ludicrous for you to try and present it as anything other than that. You keep saying it is OMGUS when 521 and758 are clearly detailed posts explaining Momo’s scum perspective. You of course have ignored this and when I called you out earlier on it you tried to handwave it away with “Oh, I’m sorting outside the thread and others are scummier anyway”.
So yeah stop shoveling bullshit into the thread if you are Town. If you are scum feel free as it makes it easier for people to take those posts and hang you for them down the line.
I’m actually hunting scum. That you pretend I’m not again is your problem (and why I think your play is so bad if you are what I think you are … if you are scum well I can at least understand your motivation even if it will bite you in the ass with my flip).In post 872, TwoFace wrote:Now a good player would probably stop insulting the person that they think is town [insert thing here] and spend more time actually scum hunting and trying to convince people that you are not scum and their votes on you are wrong."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Firstly why do you both responding to half the post and ignoring the other half just to ask the question I already answered? Here is the full response that already answered 3.In post 885, Lycanfire wrote:1) I never said lynch town
2) I never suggested no lynch
3) Is Momo your best lynch?
4) (3, cont) if Momo is scum, what does that tell us?
As for 4 – Momo flipping scum today isn’t able to be fully parsed as there hasn’t been a wagon of any size on him. Why are you asking for analysis on a hypothetical at this stage? I will say a Momo flip as scum solidifies Boon as close to confirmed Town as you can get due to how the game has progressed.In post 871, MagnaofIllusion wrote:First off lynching scum is always better than mislynching Town. Always. So downplaying the validity of it as a wagon makes me wonder … why would you go out of your want to do so Day 1 with no flips?
Momo stands as my best bet for scum. Too much of his posting is basically confirming the current game-state (the two most viable wagons are scum) in a way that demonstrates he actually isn’t getting reads. Furthermore he’s focused on all the wrong things (Boons and the whole Bipolar issue) in his posting . He’s looking for reasons to continue simply pushing on the most uncontroversial stance possible.
Where did I say I knew Elena’s alignment? I mean I said in my response that Elena is the only wagon that I could see as being on scum and I would really need to review the wagon to see for certain.In post 885, Lycanfire wrote:So Boons, Elena, and yourself are all town. Scum aren't pushing anyone because it's seemingly more inconspicuous to do it by end of day. How do you know Boons and Elena's alignments again?
Boons is likely Town for game-state. Which I also already told you in previous posts."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Feel free to feel this way but that’s a non-starter argument for me. Lynching scum who have presented themselves as such in thread is a win for Town. Period. And again – I can’t tell you the full extent of the information to be drawn from that lynch given there is no wagon activity on Momo.In post 899, Lycanfire wrote:I feel like going for Momo is lazy for the reasons you're stating here and therefore can't be your "best lynch". I know you answered 3, but you never told me the first time around what the flip would do.
Um I’ve never said Boons was wagoned by Town only. Where do you think you saw that at?In post 899, Lycanfire wrote:You're arguing that Boons is both town and wagoned by the town-that's too ridiculous.
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Sigh … it absolutely can be a scum tell and I’d like you to point to a game that Town got lynched for the behavior you are claiming is NAI. Or more precisely a non Road to Rome game. Momo has no reads that were not put into place by gamestate when he first posted. I had already been heavily wagonnned and Boon was currently in the crossfire. Surpise – those are his two scum reads that haven’t moved. Thenhe adds in Sheep but once again that read is predicated on someone else’s read … specifically Grey’s 697.In post 890, TwoFace wrote:You have been on site to know this isn't AI. town have been guilty of this and has been mislynched for it hundreds of times. if you want me to believe you are town and actually isn't a terrible player, you have to concede that this is not a scumtell and should never be used as one. It's a reason to policy lynch him certainly, but it doesn't mean he is scum. No policy lynches on my watch.
Again your Black and White / 100% or 0% view of Mafia is bad if you are Town.
This is a narrative that you keep selling – that I should be “asking people” things instead of drawing my own conclusions. And the bolded is funny as hell coming from you given the following posts –In post 890, TwoFace wrote:I honestly don't know. Did you ask him? if not why didn't you? (See I have now noticed multiple times you jump to conclusions first without asking any questions first. This is not what I would expect from a town player.Townies should question first before reacting)
In post 24, TwoFace wrote:with a shitty vote like that nobody is going to kill you
That behavior that you are decrying is EXACTLY what you did at the beginning of the game. You didn’t ask me to explain why I thought Matt’s behavior was worthy of a vote page 1. You jumped to your conclusion that I was either scum or stupid.In post 32, TwoFace wrote:So magna is scum or can be ignored. Good to figure that out early
So congratulations on doing exactly the same thing you find damning in my play yourself. Makes you scum huh?
Derp.In post 890, TwoFace wrote:a fake claim is a scum claim 100% all the time."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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In post 925, TwoFace wrote:
I didn't need to though.In post 923, MagnaofIllusion wrote:You didn’t ask me to explain why I thought Matt’s behavior was worthy of a vote page 1"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Lycan- Actually thinking about "Momo is a lazy vote" on the heels of Spyro the Dragon Mafia I'm a bit surprised at you peddling this stance. Especially having seen me move off my best scum read (SirCakez) who was getting no traction ..."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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@Lycan
So I looked at bit at the Elena wagon. It formed when Boon was at 4 votes and at its highest amount reached 4 votes to tie Boon for top wagon.
Those votes came from Lycan, Grey, Jaack and Boon himself. Half of those were previously voting DSOC, Jaack was voting Sheep and Lycan wasn’t voting.
So if the premise is “Elena was a Town counter-wagon to scum Boon” then I can’t buy that premise. Unless you float Elena + MoI + DSOC as a scum team then scum wanting to arrange a counter-wagon to hypo-scum Boon had their choice of having Jaack and Lycan join a wagon on DSOC (3 when the Elena wagon started) or having all four join on my wagon (2 when the Elena wagon started). Given how brief that wagon on Elena was I have a hard time believing scum coordinated a counter-wagon on a slot with zero votes to save Boon and then let it just fall right apart within 5 or so pages.
If the premise is “Elena is scum” I’m not sure what narrative make any sense with that. It doesn’t track for distancing purposes for scum to really make a push on a partner and then immediately dismantle it. No Town cred to be gained there. If you think Town assembled that wagon on scum then what does the following movement of wagons say to you?
In post 671, Human Sequencer wrote:Votecount 1.5
Boonskiies: Elena Fisher, Cooperative Sheep, mattblackguy, TwoFace
Elena Fisher: Lycanfire, -Grey-, Jaack, Boonskiies
Keyenpeydee:
BlueBloodedToffee:
momo: MagnaofIllusion
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MagnaofIllusion: BlueBloodedToffee, momo
mattblackguy:
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Cooperative Sheep:
TheRealGin-N-Tonic:
TwoFace:
Boonskiies and Elena Fisher are the leading wagons with 4 votes (L-3).
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.In post 840, Human Sequencer wrote:Votecount 1.6
Boonskiies: Elena Fisher
Elena Fisher: Lycanfire, Jaack, Boonskiies
Keyenpeydee:
BlueBloodedToffee:
momo: MagnaofIllusion
-Grey-: Cooperative Sheep
Jaack:
MagnaofIllusion: BlueBloodedToffee, momo, ThinkBig, TwoFace
ThinkBig:
Lycanfire: keyenpeydee
Cooperative Sheep: -Grey-
TheRealGin-N-Tonic:
TwoFace:
MagnaofIllusion is the leading wagon with 4 votes (L-3).
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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So from reading your post I assume your “will vote” pool is BBT, Lycan and Keyen. Am I correct?In post 929, ZZZX wrote:I'd vote for anyone in the scum lean."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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If that is the case vote Momo and let’s get some momentum going on the wagon on scum.In post 960, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I'd also support lynching either of you
Also 962 shows that DSOC can’t actually show what he claimed. He’s basically Mr. Fantastic stretching with illogical leaps to support his stance. Facts that he can’t dispute.
1. I pushed on something small that I saw on Page 1 to advance the game and get reads.
2. That something showed the possibility of a scum perspective.
3. I never said “I lied” or said that what I was pushing on was huge.
4. DSOC doesn’t understand the concept of exaggeration.
He’s probably not scum thought for … reasons… so he’s best set in the corner to allow those with common sense and reason to lynch the scum.
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No, Momo does not have a Town mindset and that you think his posting shows Town play is just funny.In post 950, TwoFace wrote:So taking reasons that point to a town mindset and implying a scum mindset isn't a bullshit reason?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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DualSkinOverCranium (and the abbreviated DSOC, plus similar offshoots) is not derogatory in any way. So please stop the grandstanding and illusion that somehow you get to control how other players play as long as they follow the site rules.In post 967, TwoFace wrote:"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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There is not a single site or game rule that I am violating. I’m not insulting you with negative phrases or words to refer to you.In post 969, TwoFace wrote:You must also follow game rules.
I’m literally referring to you by a synonym for your username Dual for Two and SkinOverCranium for Face (or perhaps Twin for Two and SkinOverBone .. I’ve been creative in my synonmys).
If this is somehow impacting your ability to “enjoy the game” … I don’t know what to tell you. Frankly given the insults and invectives you have thrown out over the course of the game yourself I highly doubt that is really the case."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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And for Town paying attention - this has more reasoning offered on a non-game issue than any support Momo has given for any of his claimed reads. Everything else is "I agree with Player X's read, they are scum".In post 970, momo wrote:Still, it is not his name and he has asked you to call him by his name. And as to whether call him DSCO is derogatory, well that is a subjective statement. It is up to 2F and you are clearly going against his wishes. Some action should be taken.
Which is why a Momo lynch would net scum. He's hiding behind other players reasoning and providing no independent content."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Lies, lies, lies.In post 978, TwoFace wrote:
btw this quote is basically an admission that his scum read on matt was fake.In post 176, MagnaofIllusion wrote:do you really think he believes that Matt was a solid scum read for me on Page 1?
Do you ever get tired of lying?
A page 1 read is not a "solid scum read" does not mean it isn't a scum read at all. It means it was a Page 1 push on something I found suspect and could come from scum.
Please continue to lie though as I said earlier - upon my flip it will make it easier for you to be roped if you are scum."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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I can't control your enjoyment on something that is not directly insulting or denigrating. Nor do I care to. That's not my issue but yours. Especially given how insulting and denigrating you have been to multiple players (including your ally Momo) during the game.In post 975, TwoFace wrote:In post 973, MagnaofIllusion wrote:There is not a single site or game rule that I am violating
ahem!In post 1, Human Sequencer wrote:4. Play to your win condition under all circumstances. Play for your own enjoymentand the enjoyment of everybody else ingame under all circumstances."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Yes you do when you continue to present those posts as "Saying it was a made up accusation" when it has been presented to you over and over that it was not. And if your response to me is "I don't believe it" well congratulations you are saying "I'm lying about my motivation". I know I'm not. So at this stage my only conclusion is that you are lying. I'm not sure what your motivations are but please spare me the outrage that "I never lie".In post 981, TwoFace wrote:I haven't lied once this game thanks and I would appreciate it if you would stop insulting my integrity by saying I have lied. I don't lie as town and only lie as scum when absolutely necessary (i.e. I am not scum or my role is ...)
If you made a misleading statement on page 1, that isn't my fault for thinking it is was the truth, it was yours for misleading people."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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This thread needs absolutely more content from Jaack's slot, BBT's slot (assuming he is being replaced at this stage), and Elena.
ZZ needs to finalize his reads and actually vote.
Letting spam master TF dominate the thread with his bad reads is pretty much a recipe for Town lethargy and probably a quick loss."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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In post 988, MagnaofIllusion wrote:This thread needs absolutely more content from Jaack's slot, BBT's slot (assuming he is being replaced at this stage), and Elena.
ZZ needs to finalize his reads and actually vote.
Letting spam master TF dominate the thread with his bad reads is pretty much a recipe for Town lethargy and probably a quick loss."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Anyone who reads this and doesn’t come away saying “Scum” …In post 1038, momo wrote:Wait we are lynching me. Come on.... I am not exactly the towniest of the bunch but there are still people in this game way scummier than me.And if you really are too blind to see that, lynch a lurker's slot, at least you will take out someone not contributing to town.But I have been playing my best, not made any major scum slips that have no excuse behind thm (MOI and Sheep.)
So stop,
The bolded is basically saying “Well if you don’t see I’m not scum go lynch a lurker who isn’t helping” when in the same breath he’s saying “MoI and Sheep are scum”. Town doesn’t say “Oh, lynch random lurkers instead of me” when they have two actual scum candidates they supposedly are pushing. Scum who know that Sheep and I are Town however …
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I wish I could. But no that is exactly why I stopped thinking he was absolutely scum power-defending a partner. It is the only Town claim that makes sense toIn post 1048, -Grey- wrote:Magna for the love of God call bullshit.
1. Chainsaw defend ThingBig’s slot Page 1.
2. Think (incorrectly) that Masons excludes any other power-roles.
3. Whining about not following his reads like compliant sheep.
His blurt out is yet another example of him criminally mishandling the role if he is a Mason. I mean I’ve done my best to not directly out him after I had my realization but it has been hard. He played the role so poorly (including this reasonless claim) that I’ve had to spend as much of my time pointing out how his conclusions are bad as opposed to pushing on scum like Momo.
I mean – even 3 Masons in the set-up can certainly be viable with an X-Shot or Even / Odd Gunsmith and Vigilante against a Mafia Doctor so his “No Cops / Gunsmiths / Trackers / Whatever” PR speculation is unfounded. And his approach in immediately chainsawing for Matt on Page 1 is the worst way to handle the slightest amount of pressure on a Mason partner.
So get you vote back on Momo-scum.
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Firstly who says that I don’t have a scum-read on you still? I’ve very curious about how you came to that conclusion.In post 1025, Lycanfire wrote:So I'm going to come off as an asshole here but it's my impression that we make similar kinds of posts. In Spyro I made a catch up post agreeing with your wagon on Cakez being the best lynch of the day, gave a reason why, and then gave more reasons for why I thought Leon was scum, and started a vanity wagon. I don't do vanity wagons just to be against the grain. If one thing is a sure thing, but I think day benefits from being continued, to discuss things that were overlooked, I derail the primary wagon to discuss what I want to have discussed.
You hated that for some goddamn reason, and rather than work with me, or get me to elaborate why I promised a conftown Gin on Cakez scumflip, you said continued your line of reasoning that my slot was scum with Cakez due to a single associative from Cakez.
My point is that we're seeing this game completely differently and unlike in Spyro you're not treating me adversarially (where did your scumread on me go for instance?)
Secondly of course the facts and circumstances of this game are indeed worlds apart. I’m not saying that at all. What I am saying is that I had an accurate scum read on Cakez that game and let it go due to game circumstances. Cakez was easily framed as a similar “lazy read” that game and I was dead on. So the fact that you take such issue with my read on Momo hear is suspect, frankly.
And please don’t pretend your play there looked Town. You lurked like a champ when I as the back-up Mod of Darkest Dungeon knew you lurking was definitely in your scum toolbox. And you hitched yourself to Vifam who plays every game to make his scum game more effective so you had that going against you also. What reasonable conclusion did you expect me to reach that game when I was correctly reading Cakez as scum and saw play from your slot that said “reasonable partner”?
The fact that you are just saying “Well you had to think there was a scum counter-wagon going on if you are Town” is suspect Lycan. Multiple wagons on Town Day 1 happen all the time. Just saying “you should expect Boon or Elena to be a scum wagon if you are Town” shows to me you aren’t looking at the game-state. I posted pretty well documented train of thought why Elena’s quick wagon doesn’t make sense from either “Elean scum or Boon scum Elena Town” point of view. You ignore that and post this which is very simplified and doesn’t account for the actual way the game flowed.In post 1025, Lycanfire wrote:The premise was that from your point of view, assuming you were not being scum-wagoned (you seem distrustworthy of that in some post somewhere but that was my impression when you called 2F probably town), one of Boons or Elena makes sense as scum. If you did think you were being scum wagoned, then there's no real scum counter going on. Boons being scum would justify the Elena wagon while Elena being scum would justify how the Magna+Boons wagon ended up being dug in. That's my take on the wagon movement.
These responses and the way you are out of hand dismissive of Momo as scum makes you a possible partner pick with Momo from me."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Don't be bitter because you mishandled a Mason role so poorly ...In post 1056, TwoFace wrote:Magna has not made a lick of sense all game."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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No, it really doesn't make sense because that's just bad play but it is at least able to be parsed through that lens.In post 1062, Elena Fisher wrote:No wonder Twoface tried to man handle me when I placed a vote on Matt this makes sense now"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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What I mean is it doesn't make sense from a reasonable and prudent standpoint of how a Mason should treat someone placing a vote in the early game on their partner. But from an poor play standpoint yeah I can see why it happened.In post 1067, Elena Fisher wrote:How does it not make sense? I'm pretty sure it makes perfect sense it's bad but it makes sense"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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