mini 2140: partition (this is over)
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That's exactly what they should do though.In post 74, Raya36 wrote:I highly doubt scum placed all 3 members in group 1Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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They probably stuffed group 1 with 2-3 scum.In post 86, dsjstr wrote:I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh
Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I think they are betting on town self preservation and not lynching themselves so they stack the biggest group with scum.
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I think they are more incentivized to gamble it all in one group.In post 126, Morning Tweet wrote:Hard disagree on cutting out group 1
I think scum stacked the setup in a way where we cant win a whole lot no matter which group we pick. Most likely 2/0/1 or 2/1/0
Theres not a lot of incentive to pick 3/0/0 over 2/0/1. other than WIFOMGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Yeah 1v4 is manageable. Either way there's 2 scum in group 1 at minimum.In post 129, Morning Tweet wrote:They could, yeah, but i dont think that's the most likely option. Placing just 2 in group one minimizes the risk and gives them almost the same level of safety
Instead of losing if group one goes down, they get a MYLO. And if theres a lynch outside group one, they lose 0 or 1 scum for 2-3 towniesGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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1 in group 2 is crazy, there would be confscum from PoVIn post 137, Adorable wrote:I checked the other partition game from 2011 to see how it played out. Scum were spread out one was in group 1, one was in group 2, and another was in group 3. On the vote count there was a message on day 1 saying groups have changed and vote count got reset. A scum player got switched to another group and the group that got lynched on day 1 were all town. I wonder if the same thing is going to happen here. Lynching in group 1 does look risky if they are all town plus add the group change on day 1 if that happens. My guess is one scum will be in group 1, one in group 2, and another in group 3.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 155, Ame wrote:Clidd and Albert for scum
I'd like to see you try.In post 156, Ame wrote:We lynch there todayGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 170, Hoctac wrote:Something about scum!Albert's plan being "enter hard pushing group 1 in hopes of lynching it" doesn't sit right about me. It feels full of agenda and scummy, so I'm leaning town on him.
I make a hard decision between being lazy or winning when I start a game. Finally I found a game where I can choose both!Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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1/1/1 is a long hard road to victory for the scum, they automatically lose 1 player no matter what the town does.In post 173, Morning Tweet wrote:So conversely, if you're scum, you'd pick the 1/1/1 since that also lets you be lazy and win
If I were scum I would put all in 1 group.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Madness. You are scum.In post 292, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the gameGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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You're not reading what I'm writing!In post 344, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:You can’t instantly lose as town if all 3 scum are in group 1, no matter which group you lynch
SCUM INSTANTLY LOSES IF WE LYNCH GROUP 1Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Who fucking cares?In post 347, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Who’s scum in group 1?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Somebody gets it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!In post 350, Adorable wrote:I'm always a null read or I would be a scum lean since I'm not an active member. I get the feeling scum looked up my completed games and they put me on Group 1 and plan on lynching Group 2 or Group 3 on day 1 and on day 2 they would put me in a group that would get lynched. I also think whoever are scum in this game are trying way too hard to look towny and it is Group 1 who is getting town read alot.
This post looks like shade throwing and you didn't elaborate on why you didn't like my entrance and this is the kind of post I normally scum read when I don't see a player elaborate.In post 142, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I don't like Adorable's entrance either
I think 2 scum are in Group 1 and that's why I'm voting there.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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No I don't care. The odds of being correct is lower than the odds of falsely accusing someone who will think I'm scum because I guessed wrong.In post 353, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I admit it’s likely there’s 2-3 scum in group 1 but wouldn’t you want to confirm your theory with reads on players in group 1?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?In post 362, Raya36 wrote:I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Except that 1-0-2 is FAR TOO RISKY. If we lynch group 2 they lose 2 scum and it's up to 1 scum to fight the whole town with no kills after N1?In post 369, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?In post 362, Raya36 wrote:I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.
Seems improbable. It's 3-0-0 or 2-0-1.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Yes. Exactly.In post 372, Raya36 wrote:
I assume you meant to say if we lynch group 3?In post 371, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Except that 1-0-2 is FAR TOO RISKY. If we lynch group 2 they lose 2 scum and it's up to 1 scum to fight the whole town with no kills after N1?In post 369, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?In post 362, Raya36 wrote:I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.
Seems improbable. It's 3-0-0 or 2-0-1.
That logic applies to all the possibilities I mentioned. I think 2-0-1 is the least risky for scum but what you said certainly applies to 3-0-0 since the risk isn't even that they only have 1 scum left, they just lose.
Its 2 0 1 or 3 0 0.
Group 3 is the most easy to lynch.
Group 2 is the safest option to continue the game with no clear winner.
Group 1 is where all the scum are hiding.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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We can easily outWIFOM the scum here. EASY. They are so stupid.In post 384, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
this logic can go on forever because of WIFOMIn post 383, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Makes no sense to put 1 scum in a 2 player group.
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In post 344, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
The context for what I said was,In post 329, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Madness. You are scum.In post 292, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the game
“If scum put 1 scum into each group, then lynching group 1 would be an instant win for scum.”
Why is this a scummy thing to say?
You can’t instantly lose as town if all 3 scum are in group 1, no matter which group you lynchIn post 330, Albert B. Rampage wrote:all 3 scum are in group 1 and will fight tooth and nail to avoid instantly losing.
Conversely you can instantly lose as town if you lynch group 1 and the partitions are 1-1-1In post 346, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I misread that mbIn post 347, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Who’s scum in group 1?
These posts are scummy. I might be right I might be wrong but I can easily guess what the scum did here.In post 353, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I admit it’s likely there’s 2-3 scum in group 1 but wouldn’t you want to confirm your theory with reads on players in group 1?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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GO AHEAD I DONT CAREIn post 391, Mohab500 wrote:Quick read, the way Albert is playing it seems he's banking on lynching Group 1 then not even having a day 2, so I am in favour of a group 2 lynch for the moment (for real now).Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Vote for group 2 and I will see you in 2 months when you finish this game.
I gave you a shortcut to winning and being lazy.
Scum got exceptionally lazy and didn't understand how to play this game strategically. We can win this so easy town just needs to ignore scum naysayers.
I WILL REPEAT MYSELF.
SCUM THOUGHT YOU WOULDNT SELF VOTE. THEY THOUGHT GROUP 3 WAS EASY FODDER.
WRONG.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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It comes off as fake as fuck and if its 2-0-1 YOU ARE THE 1.In post 394, Mohab500 wrote:
Someone called this fake recently: I can confirm I had a similar thought when we began the game, perhaps because the listed mafia partition game had some ambiguous wording which made this seem like the case, so I can't really agree with that claim.In post 16, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:hi friends!
for some reason I thought that mafia had to place at least one of each of themselves in each group. can someone confirm for me whether this is the case?
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Glad you're having fun with me in this game then!In post 407, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:welp I remembered why I don’t enjoy playing with ABR when I’m town
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This literally reads like backtracking scum trying to add 2nd level WIFOM when their logic stopped at level 1 WIFOM and they got completely trapped.In post 386, Mohab500 wrote:This stuff is why I told people to stop stressing so much about partitions earlier. Partitions should be used a secondary method of determining a lynch, not as the main one. Scuminess of a player should always, always take priority over random thoughts about 'what scum would do with partitions!'. Yes, lynching group 1 is incredibly risky, because if there is anything less than 2 scum in there, we instantly lose. So yes, scum probably put three there because they know we think a group 1 lynch is too risky, and they're playing on our paranoia. But hold on, what if they knew that we knew that we'd figure out they'd put all three in group 1 because we consider it too risky? So they split them up to 1-1-1, or 1-0-2. But hold on, we also know that they'd know that we would know that they would know that we would know the risk of lynching group 1. So we don't lynch group 1, but hey, hold on...
And it goes on and you could make the same argument for pretty much every logical partition choice. It makes no sense to keep theorising this much about partitions when there are way too many possibilities and in the end, we only end up misleading ourselves into thinking someone is scum because of how we think the partition is split.
I am going to go ahead and skim the previous pages to get reads on players, I am still fairly lost on what's going on and who's reading who in what fashion. I recommend everyone drop the partition issue for now and we'll deal with it when we actually get some good leads regarding the players themselves. Anyone who keeps trying to predict the partitions isn't trying to scumhunt: they're just pretending to scumhunt.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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It takes a lazy bastard to catch other lazy bastards.In post 418, Mohab500 wrote:
Aren't you just now suddenly criticizing this move? What happened?In post 174, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
1/1/1 is a long hard road to victory for the scum, they automatically lose 1 player no matter what the town does.
If I were scum I would put all in 1 group.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Because I don't want to participate longer than my obligations in a game where players prioritize having a long game over winning.In post 420, Hoctac wrote:
Albert could be scum for this post tbh.In post 408, Albert B. Rampage wrote:GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3
VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2
1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST
2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO
THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES
Like, whynevervote Group 3 because "lynchbait", but Group 2 is fine, especially when he should know he's town?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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There's only 3 scum in this setup, what are you talking about?In post 432, Morning Tweet wrote:To vote group one id need like, four scumreads in there. and that is not happening
This game is easily solved by math why the fuck are people trying to overcomplicate it?
This is my plan to win. Obviously all the scum are going to complain and some town want to play instead of be eliminated early. This is the way the scum decided to partition, what do you want me to tell you? There's an easy and fast way to win because scum made it this way so they can throw group 1 and 2 under the bus using sophistry.In post 415, Albert B. Rampage wrote:we lynch group 1 we get 2 scum guaranteed maybe 3.
Game becomes 1 scum v 4 town
Scum kill
1 v 3 town
2 lynches to catch 1 scum. Easy odds for town to win.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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You are exactly right and that is why you are my favorite!In post 438, Morning Tweet wrote:if we think this gives town best chance of winning, then id vote group one cause i feel pretty strongly theres 2 scum in it. Technically we're risking the game on there being 2+ but we may as well live a little
We should take a calculated risk rather than argue and create drama.
Scumhunting day 1 is fake as fuck.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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You are both correct.In post 441, Hoctac wrote:
Exactly. Our EV 100% goes up if we lynch Group 1 and there's exactly 2 scum in here.In post 438, Morning Tweet wrote:If 2 scum in group one -> 4 person MYLO is a good result, then we should probably choose group one
5 players -> nightkill -> 4 players 2|1|1
You have to pick one of the 1 groups. Or you can pick the 2, depending on WIFOM
3 players 1|1|1 LYLO
if we think this gives town best chance of winning, then id vote group one cause i feel pretty strongly theres 2 scum in it. Technically we're risking the game on there being 2+ but we may as well live a little
You agree with me that it's very likely there's 2+. So, time to self-destruct?
Everyone should watch this. Start at 1:12. This game is just math.
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Honestly, if the scum pulled something crazy like 0/1/2 then they should win and I want to forget about this game as quickly as it started.
No way Jose.
Common sense tells us its 2/0/1 or 3/0/0 and math tells us the best lynch is group 1. All the real scumhunting should start after we've thanked group 1 off the stage like a Vegas hypnotist that didn't get the desired reaction from an audience volunteer.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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This isn't right. If there's 1 scum left, it will be 2-1-1, town can lynch a group with one person in it, then it will be 1-1-1 and town can lynch again. This is the best odds of winning possible.In post 455, dsjstr wrote:Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
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They only have a NK N1. 5 players left in group 2 and 3. 4 left after NK.In post 462, dsjstr wrote:
Mafia get a NKIn post 457, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
This isn't right. If there's 1 scum left, it will be 2-1-1, town can lynch a group with one person in it, then it will be 1-1-1 and town can lynch again. This is the best odds of winning possible.In post 455, dsjstr wrote:Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
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What are you saying here?In post 465, dsjstr wrote:[quote="In post 1
Hmm, this will create more WIFOM. It obviously justifies 1-?-? because that would be the only time the mafia could pull it off.maf wrote:welcome to mini 2140! You are ayour faction is responsible for forming a partition each night. i will take whatever the last bolded proposition is, as long as it places every living player (or every player that will be living come morning) in one of the three groups, and no groups are empty. you may ask me randomize the order of the groups and the players within the groups. if i don't get a valid partition i will create one randomly.mafia goon.
on the first night, you may also select someone to be killed.
you win when you control half the vote during a day phase, or when nothing can stop that from happening.
please confirm by proposing a partition for day 1 (or affirming another suggestion)Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Hahahahaha what!!!?In post 470, Raya36 wrote:
So you're thinking scum want us to lynch group 1 and Albert is the one in charge of aggressively pushing that? And that's why he's in the smallest group maybe? In case that backfired?In post 468, Morning Tweet wrote:
thats exactly what i'd expect scum!albert to do. it's lower effort, and it plays into the WIFOM very nicelyIn post 463, Raya36 wrote:
But Albert is acting way too obvious for that??In post 461, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:if there is some weird scum conspiracy to lynch a bunch of town in 1 to win then Albert would be scum obviously
-dragonsGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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- Posts: 27261
- Joined: April 8, 2007
- Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 27261
- Joined: April 8, 2007
- Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 27261
- Joined: April 8, 2007
- Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico