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you're 100% code red dunn? no retractions, not a gambit?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Okay.In post 50, Dunnstral wrote:
YesIn post 49, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:you're 100% code red dunn? no retractions, not a gambit?
Vote: DunnYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Dunn's claim is probably a true claim, why wouldn't it be?In post 54, Towelie wrote:
interesting, although there's no way to get from A to B for me (or rather I think the ones I can think of are implausible for dunn to open with)In post 52, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Vote: Dunn
I just think based on what I know, Dunn's true claim must be scum. Plus the behaviour behind it is a little off from what I'd expect from town!dunnYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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If that was solely the case, I don't think my role could exist in its current form.In post 57, Towelie wrote:
I was assuming that all scum roles are non mountain dew drinks (hence "off brand") in which case its necessarily NOT a true claimIn post 56, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:why wouldn't it be
It would be very strange, to me, for someone to be able to fully true claim Code Red and have it be purely town because of alliance with "off brand".
With my role, at least.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I do, yes. Doubly with the manner in which you claimed it, but I strictly do.In post 63, Dunnstral wrote:
Can you confirm that you are saying that Code Red is a scum flavor?In post 56, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I just think based on what I know, Dunn's true claim must be scumYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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See this, I don't buy.In post 62, Dunnstral wrote:
I had to rub my flavor in Towelie's face.In post 60, Gamma Emerald wrote:That is interesting, but I don't think limming dunn is worth it atm
would scum have fakeclaims, possibly, but I'm mostly just confused why Dunn's immediate thought was to claim flavor out of the gateYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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You're Dunnstral, I believe you'd rub the flavour in Towlie's face.
But not right off the bat, sacrificing some information to do it? That makes no sense.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Oh yeah?In post 67, Dunnstral wrote:I'm under the impression that this game is normal-esque and the claims don't matter. This also means you are lying about your role.
If you think I'm lying about my role, why don't you vote me?
And then we can see what happens.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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If you're town, and Code Red is indeed a town flavour, there is a ZERO percent chance that it's not got some kind of power attached.In post 68, Dunnstral wrote:What did I sacrifice?
Claiming it as you did is a complete waste of value, lets scum know where to shoot.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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How is this hard to follow?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Well I can prove I'm not~Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Today, if neededYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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You're the one who drew attention to it by claiming the role name, it's a contentiously favourite flavour that spawned this game due to the discussion IIRC and I'm drawing attention because you questioned my logic and I think you're scum.In post 77, Dunnstral wrote:
My problems with this:In post 70, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
If you're town, and Code Red is indeed a town flavour, there is a ZERO percent chance that it's not got some kind of power attached.In post 68, Dunnstral wrote:What did I sacrifice?
Claiming it as you did is a complete waste of value, lets scum know where to shoot.
1. It's not true that code red is 100% a pr. Based on what?
2. This fishes for whether I am a pr and makes it hard for me to respond to
3. Why would you draw attention to this?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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That first line is wherin my issue lies.In post 84, Towelie wrote:Like I think in a dunn scum world you have to at least believe it's not so beloved to the mod that it'd be not in the game at all and a fakeclaim instead.
I don't believe in a world where scum roles are anything but non mountain dew drinks at this point with mountain dew drink fakeclaims; it just makes the scum alighment being "competitor brand" extremely sloppy if this isn't the case.
That said if LLD has something that contradicts this I'll revisit when that time comes, but before that happens i'll mostly be basing my dunn read off of this interaction and not anything nebulously setup related because the pieces don't fit correctly atm.
My role cannot cannot cannot exist if a true claim Code Red can exist in this game and have that level of town clearing on it.
It simply cannot.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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My Day 1 reads are about as accurate as anyone's, tbh. Nothing uniquely special, I definitely get better in a forum setting as days go on, but...In post 87, Toogeloo wrote:As much as it would be hilarious to be in yet another scum Dunn game for me, I really don't think it's the case here. Dunn's already done something that is completely off meta from what I've observed scum him do.
Additionally, I trust LLD's day 1 knee-jerk reads very little as I've seen them wrong more than right. She plays with confidence, but has proven that playing confidently doesn't mean being correct.
Your recent experience was me being wrong on you. so.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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More importantly, Toog's post is kind of weird because he takes the time to read Dunn's alignment but doesn't bother trying to read mine?
Toog, you're writing like you're assuming I'm town. Why is that?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I went 0/3 in one game where on Day 1 I had Dunn and Cabd as a hard townread and so they got to manipulate my reads.In post 92, Toogeloo wrote:VOTE: Extraplanetary Multiform Mobile Identifier, aka E.M.M.I.
Metroidvania games are my thing. Gotta take out my enemies. Plus, not a fan of the sheep vote on Dunn.
PEdit: you went 0/3, so. You're the type of player I immediately put my trust guard up around regardless though.
I also won that game, in the end. I've also led deaths on scum day 1 plenty of times.
It's literally just a game where my strongest town reads were scum and got under my guard and I had to re-evaluate later in days. That's fine, that's meant to happen sometimes.
You're being pretty results oriented...Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Past results can be used to judge performance, and obviously more recent weightings are more crucial than years gone by, but no one game is a good indication of someone's ability to play mafia on the whole, just an example of it. Even my best played scum and town games aren't a single point that can indicate how I am at the game, it's my record of evidence as scum that really sells me as one of the best scum players on the site, and some of the records we've done.In post 97, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:
Question! Considering the results-orientation of Toogeloo and your apparent critique of it:In post 95, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I went 0/3 in one game where on Day 1 I had Dunn and Cabd as a hard townread and so they got to manipulate my reads.In post 92, Toogeloo wrote:VOTE: Extraplanetary Multiform Mobile Identifier, aka E.M.M.I.
Metroidvania games are my thing. Gotta take out my enemies. Plus, not a fan of the sheep vote on Dunn.
PEdit: you went 0/3, so. You're the type of player I immediately put my trust guard up around regardless though.
I also won that game, in the end. I've also led deaths on scum day 1 plenty of times.
It's literally just a game where my strongest town reads were scum and got under my guard and I had to re-evaluate later in days. That's fine, that's meant to happen sometimes.
You're being pretty results oriented...
Is it fair or unfair for someone to take past results and use them to judge future performance? Is it more fair to take the sum of all results, functionally assuming inability to adjust, or to take an average over the most recent results, allowing recent bad runs to overshadow a longer good run? Are results less important than reads that simply follow the confident, or are they less important?
Do you think our moderators/reviewers would purposefully select flavor that was exactly divided on scum-town lines, allowing a massclaim to break the game open, or would they select flavor that would purposefully hamper attempts to divine alignment through flavor?
All of these are honest questions I'm very curious to hear your answers to, and almost more importantly, /how/ you answer them.
As town, I have strengths and weaknesses, same as my scum, but the real goal for town and scum is to look at not just an aggregate of results but of how you play. I think a recent bad run is indicative that something has changed for a player either personally or in their opponents, and they may need to change, just like how killing townies day 1 means yuo are on a wrong path and need to change.
I think Cabd would refuse to allow a massclaim to break the game, or at least would prevent the named townie syndrome from happening. Given my role, I'm pretty confident that either there are some flavours in the game that you expect to be there that won't (see: Code Red) or that some of the Mtn Dew flavours won't be town.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Okay, time to have some fun with you Dunn~Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm saying that claiming Code Red like that and implying it's somehow town contradicts my role as a diet role being an innocent child that needs mod confirmation to be cleared.In post 187, Towelie wrote:Other head here, don’t really know how your role implies code red is scum
If I have a whole ROLE about my power being becoming an innocent child, Dunn's claim and the reaction he was clearly fishing for (which btw wasn't to rub it in someone's face, I think it was to appear town.)Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Well it's a shame because I'm driving you into the dirt today.In post 189, Dunnstral wrote:Was still catching up.
LLD I wasn't wrong to vote you, you were making things up about your role and aggressively pushing on me which made the game about you vs me.
UNVOTE: Lady LambdadeltaYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Because I am a firm believer your claim was motivated to try and earn town credit and that you would never claim your flavour like that as town.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Oh come off it. You don't have to say it for people to start looking at that.In post 191, Dunnstral wrote:I never implied that code red was town.
I can't think of another motivation for you to claim your flavour there as town. I literally can't.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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(also I was always flipping my role day 1, it's the most important day and having me cleared for it will work a lot. Only delayed to be able to generate the discourse around this first before opening my Lord, as it were.)Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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(that's a Lord of Waterdeep reference, for those who don't play board games)Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Yes but you're competent enough as scum to know what open claiming that on day 1 in the manner you did gives you a positive feedback from townies in a game like this. I just don't think town you has any motivation to claim it, or rather that your stated motivation holds water.In post 197, Dunnstral wrote:
You are overthinking thisIn post 194, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I can't think of another motivation for you to claim your flavour there as town. I literally can't.
I have always thought that this game was a normal game with mt dew flavor, and that claiming flavor provides no info. I remember that Code Red was a flavor that the Towelie hydra would be excited about and that's why I brought it up in an exaggerated way. I have no reason to think that Code Red would somehow look more town than any other flavor - I believe any flavor can be either a scum flavor or a scum fake claim, so NAI.
I think it's scummy, and you are scum who thought my argument was weak and was willing to 1v1 me to make it go away.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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(Yeah I play that version when I want to just zone out and do some math sometimes against the hard AIs. Sadly those AIs suck so I dunk on them but it's more about making my own score go super high.)In post 199, Dunnstral wrote:
There is a virtual edition on steam with online turn-based multiplayer. It was fun but people don't really play any more, and the format with super long turns would have really benefited from being in a browser instead of in a steam game you had to launch, plus it needed to alert you of your turn when the game wasn't open.In post 196, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:(that's a Lord of Waterdeep reference, for those who don't play board games)Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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But there have literally been people who said this, and it's not always a conscious bias you know.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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This is the smoking gun IMO.In post 206, Towelie wrote:
this seems about as lazy as the TR he gave on you; why is this town indicative for him in particularIn post 183, Dunnstral wrote:I have a light town lean on Toog because I think they softed their flavor which is +town for them, in my opinion
He calls Toog town for softing their flavour, after having claimed his own flavour but claiming that actions is NAI.
Clearly he understands doign this has motivations for doing it, and his brushing off of my accusations doesn't sit well.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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And there it is, unprompted.In post 220, Dunnstral wrote:
Look at the time stamps, I'm not sure I've gone 5 minutes without either being asked to explain something or accused of something. I've been under barrage this whole time without having even read the game or reallyIn post 216, Critter wrote:You really have no opinions beside Toog? On anything?done anythingyet.
I'm really confident on Dunn flipping scum today. This answer instead of just giving other thoughts is... yeah.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Why the sigh? I was always flipping this day 1, it's literally optimal from my position entering this game. I have been playing with the intention of flipping it early today the whole time.In post 223, Something_Smart wrote:
Omega sigh.In post 186, Cabd wrote:Lady Lambadelta is Diet Mountain Dew, Macho Activated Innocent Child, aligned with On-Brand (Town)Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm getting scum motivation vibes from you. And you know that's the truth cause guess what I'm confirmed town, lol.In post 226, Dunnstral wrote:
No, I don't typically get this standoffish as scum, Critter is seemed to have a good idea of my meta earlier (except for some games like Isekai Upick where my goal was to get townread early)In post 221, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
And there it is, unprompted.In post 220, Dunnstral wrote:
Look at the time stamps, I'm not sure I've gone 5 minutes without either being asked to explain something or accused of something. I've been under barrage this whole time without having even read the game or reallyIn post 216, Critter wrote:You really have no opinions beside Toog? On anything?done anythingyet.
I'm really confident on Dunn flipping scum today. This answer instead of just giving other thoughts is... yeah.
I didn't say I wasn't going to give other thoughts, I said I haven't had a chance to, and showed why. Taking it as an excuse for me to not ever give thoughts is extremely uncharitable.
I feel like I'm playing nothing like I do as scum, I'm not sure why you're honing in on me so hard.
I got them from the instant you posted that, but it's hard to justify that with it being the only part of the intertaction. Even I think that's a bit weak for a gut feeling.
So I just progressed the conversation because I felt the dialogue around it would be useful for creating content on other players and for sorting you and how people stood on you.
I'm enamoured with my vote currently, but I'm not completely away from changing my mind. I never am.
I just like you for scum based on your reactions and my feelings of your motivations.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Day 1 is much more critical if people don't fucking QUICKHAMMER.In post 248, StrangeMatter wrote:
Wouldn't it have been far more useful in ELO or somewhere close to that instead of day 1?In post 225, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Why the sigh? I was always flipping this day 1, it's literally optimal from my position entering this game. I have been playing with the intention of flipping it early today the whole time.In post 223, Something_Smart wrote:
Omega sigh.In post 186, Cabd wrote:Lady Lambadelta is Diet Mountain Dew, Macho Activated Innocent Child, aligned with On-Brand (Town)Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13075467#p13075467]post 244[/url], Milk & Mocha wrote:Hi Dunn!
Bye Dunn!
Jesus I thought this was a quickhammer because of those posts wtfIn post 245, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Welp.
Calling Dunn flipping red. Regardless of flip, I also like the bears for scum right now.
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This is strictly wrong. The odds of getting shot, getting run up and being forced to use it or just being useless while you sit on it are too high.In post 272, Something_Smart wrote:
I mean that's another sigh. It's obviously mechanically suboptimal to have a macho IC flipping D1. I hope the subjective benefits can outweigh that, but I feel like it wouldn't have been that bad for you to at least try to push what you want without flipping and see if you were able to.In post 225, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Why the sigh? I was always flipping this day 1, it's literally optimal from my position entering this game. I have been playing with the intention of flipping it early today the whole time.
If you are a player who finds yourself regularly doing nothing on day 1 and letting others guide early maybe flipping it is wrong but even then there is a whole host of reasons why it is better to flip day 1.
We can have this discussion after the game if you like but the play I made was the optimal play for my role easily.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm so tired of you. Get over yourself. I confidently misread you in one game and now you're taking every opportunity to insult my intelligence. Are you just trying to bait me to get angry? Or is this just not giving a shit about how others feel?In post 286, Toogeloo wrote:My opinion is that LLD saw she had IC and could barely contain herself, looking for literally anything to pick a fight just so she could go, "Hah!"
There's literally nothing in her claim to suggest scum Dunn, she just needs the bravado to sell it.
I'm asking you to stop being a jerk and play the game.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Oh and for the record Toog, your play in the game you're complaining about was sufficiently scummy that 7 other players also agreed you were scum. Admittedly, some of those were scum, but you managed to convince about 5 townies you were scum that game, so I don't know why you've got this problem with me all of a sudden.
If it was just me being wrong or illogical on you, you should have been able to survive without others scumreading you.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Oh and finally, what motivation does this serve you, doing this? You now know I'm town, so you're discrediting confirmed town.
That's playing against your wincon, if indeed you are town. If you think Dunn is town, you should be trying to convince me and others of this fact, instead of just taking pointless potshots at my character.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Mush and Gamma both reference Bears to mean Milk and Mocha, because those characters are bears andbecause one half of the Hydra is PookyTheMagicalBear.In post 293, Critter wrote:
Then what are you agreeing with here? I think this is where the train derailed? There’s no mention of Milk/Mocha and the only other person here is Mush?In post 280, Gamma Emerald wrote:
agreed the bears are prolly scum, most likely not for the reasons you have thoIn post 245, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Welp.
Calling Dunn flipping red. Regardless of flip, I also like the bears for scum right now.
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Which SM question was that?In post 294, Dunnstral wrote:Mushshagana writes a lot of words but reaches no conclusions and doesn't talk about their reads beyond "I'm feeling it".
Toog's post is weird because they are focused on the IC and not in a good way.
Strangematter asked a pretty legitimate questionvthat deserves an answer rather than them being disregarded and called scum without explanationYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I am not sure 283 is as valid of a question towards Mush who as far as I know hasn't played with you before?In post 298, Dunnstral wrote:
283; I believe this is not the first time somebody asked something like this and it feels like Mush slotted them as scum for that postIn post 296, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Which SM question was that?In post 294, Dunnstral wrote:Mushshagana writes a lot of words but reaches no conclusions and doesn't talk about their reads beyond "I'm feeling it".
Toog's post is weird because they are focused on the IC and not in a good way.
Strangematter asked a pretty legitimate questionvthat deserves an answer rather than them being disregarded and called scum without explanation
You could ask it to ME, but... I'm not going on meta either.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Okay well, your legit read is wrong and insulting, because that level of play is arrogant and pointless.In post 300, Toogeloo wrote:
That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.In post 290, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I'm so tired of you. Get over yourself. I confidently misread you in one game and now you're taking every opportunity to insult my intelligence. Are you just trying to bait me to get angry? Or is this just not giving a shit about how others feel?In post 286, Toogeloo wrote:My opinion is that LLD saw she had IC and could barely contain herself, looking for literally anything to pick a fight just so she could go, "Hah!"
There's literally nothing in her claim to suggest scum Dunn, she just needs the bravado to sell it.
I'm asking you to stop being a jerk and play the game.
And saying it wasn't intended as an insult it really hard to belied when you say stuff like "looking for literally anything to pick a fight". That's insulting.
I used my IC status to find something suspicious, put a magnifying glass on it, and then reveal myself as IC to remove myself from the suspicion pool and push content forward. Dunn just did the scummiest thing first.
I explained all of this after my claim. You saying what you said here is at BEST a bad faith insulting interpretation of my play.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Okay then, so let's get clarification from Mush.In post 303, Dunnstral wrote:It wasn't directed at Mush but my issue is that Mush seems to be calling them scum for that
Mush, are you saying SM is scum for post 283 and/or other posts, and if so, can you provide some elaboration/elucidation on that matter?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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2 notches back on the sass meter.In post 302, Gamma Emerald wrote:
“I also like the bears for scum right now”In post 293, Critter wrote:
Then what are you agreeing with here? I think this is where the train derailed? There’s no mention of Milk/Mocha and the only other person here is Mush?In post 280, Gamma Emerald wrote:
agreed the bears are prolly scum, most likely not for the reasons you have thoIn post 245, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Welp.
Calling Dunn flipping red. Regardless of flip, I also like the bears for scum right now.
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Try reading.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Sure, though the confusion about people using pet names that you don't have access to isn't really your fault.In post 308, Critter wrote:
Harsh but fair. Deserved.In post 302, Gamma Emerald wrote:
“I also like the bears for scum right now”In post 293, Critter wrote:
Then what are you agreeing with here? I think this is where the train derailed? There’s no mention of Milk/Mocha and the only other person here is Mush?In post 280, Gamma Emerald wrote:
agreed the bears are prolly scum, most likely not for the reasons you have thoIn post 245, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Welp.
Calling Dunn flipping red. Regardless of flip, I also like the bears for scum right now.
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Try reading.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I would totally be willing to shine a spotlight in Pooky/Noraa's face and see what falls out. I'm not done with Dunn yet and don't want ALL the pressure to evaporate there but...In post 311, Towelie wrote:With a fresh head today trying to take a more holistic approach toward the game, well, I don't have a very good feeling about it. I still don't know about dunn.
I think gamma is probably town, I'm starting to come around on critter town i think but that's mostly gut around how they handled the mush inquiries earlier.
Other than that this game is full of people who don't emit intentions very much early, are being deliberately close to chest, or have been mostly nonentities. If it comes down to it I am probably keen to sheep LLD d1.
I am a little worried we're seeing tenet pooky because this is how he approached coming over to inverted from forward (the appearance of wanting to engage vs actually wanting to engage - hence the "i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior)
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Answer this, Toog. You said Dunn has done things outside his scum meta. What are those, explicitly?In post 297, Dunnstral wrote:Aso Toog can you explain your read on me?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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You don't fucking know me. You don't know who I am, you don't know why I do things and more fucking importantly you don't know the kinds of fucking struggles I have had to fight uphill to be respected in Mafia games as a fucking transwoman.In post 313, Toogeloo wrote:
Your actions suggested otherwise, but I'm not trying to pick a fight. My observation stands, especially since you admitted to attacking the first thing you saw that was suspicious. It only further adds credit to my read. You wanted to to out your IC status just to make someone else look worse, and you attacked the first thing you saw.In post 304, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Okay well, your legit read is wrong and insulting, because that level of play is arrogant and pointless.In post 300, Toogeloo wrote:
That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.In post 290, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I'm so tired of you. Get over yourself. I confidently misread you in one game and now you're taking every opportunity to insult my intelligence. Are you just trying to bait me to get angry? Or is this just not giving a shit about how others feel?In post 286, Toogeloo wrote:My opinion is that LLD saw she had IC and could barely contain herself, looking for literally anything to pick a fight just so she could go, "Hah!"
There's literally nothing in her claim to suggest scum Dunn, she just needs the bravado to sell it.
I'm asking you to stop being a jerk and play the game.
And saying it wasn't intended as an insult it really hard to belied when you say stuff like "looking for literally anything to pick a fight". That's insulting.
I used my IC status to find something suspicious, put a magnifying glass on it, and then reveal myself as IC to remove myself from the suspicion pool and push content forward. Dunn just did the scummiest thing first.
I explained all of this after my claim. You saying what you said here is at BEST a bad faith insulting interpretation of my play.
It doesn't make you right, though.
Dunn has already done more things outside his usual scum meta, but you are committed because you don't like to change your mind, I suspect because you think it makes you look weak, and you want to use your IC status as muscle, so you can't appear weak.
Who do you town read right now?
This shit you are writing is insulting, harmful and bullshit. You have no concept of my motivation or why I do what I do. I have ACTIVELY been searching for other suspects than Dunn and even talking to Dunn about Dunn's reads WHILE STILL SUSPECTING HIM.
My playstyle is a lot more in depth and careful than you give me any credit for, and I have been dealing with people like you all my fucking life, in and out of mafia.
I want you to kindly stop insulting me, stop trying to assess how much of a bad player or person I am and either leave me alone or play the fucking game.
I'm so tired of having to deal with this shit.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Yes, I'm aware scum are going to try and shift my opinions and guide me somewhere. You're not helping that, you're just making me want to kill you by being every jerk who has ever decided that I wasn't good enough or smart enough to hold my own weight in my life.In post 318, Toogeloo wrote:
Because she is an IC, people will be more inclined to sheep instead of think for themselves. LLD isn't a follower, and people will take advantage of that, and she needs to be told when she is probably wrong, or at least have a devil's advocate to open up other possibilities.In post 314, Gamma Emerald wrote:
But she’s confirmed town, why do you give a shit about her motivations?In post 300, Toogeloo wrote:That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.
Take a long look in the mirror, for the love of god.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Like NONE of your posting has been trying to convince me Dunn is town. I had to ACTIVELY POKE AT YOU AND ASK YOU WHY DUNN IS TOWN.
And you gave me a 1 line answer, while you spend paragraphs shitting on me.
And you wonder why I won't listen to you.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Telling someone that you think they're afraid of being seen as Weak, that they used their IC for personal vendetta and feel good reasons, and that they have no ability to change their mind IS INSULTING THEM AS A PERSON.In post 323, Toogeloo wrote:Jesus Fucking Christ, I'm not attacking you as a person, LLD. I'm stating my observations of your playstyle.
Like, I am telling you "that's not my play" and you continue onward anyway. After a point, it's no longer a critique of my style aimed to make me better, it's a personal attack intended to make me feel like shit.
Cause that's what I feel like right now. I have no desire to play this game anymore. You've literally made this game unfun.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm so tired of this. I'm so so so so so tired of this.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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...In post 328, Toogeloo wrote:You don't want to listen because at this point you are too proud. You've developed this narrative in your head that you think I'm against you because of your real life struggles, which is offensive to me that you would even insinuate that I am doing something like that.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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lol oops ahaIn post 421, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:On pg 5 seems to me Dunn claimed Code Red truthfully, LLD saw it and thought it would be believable for Cabd to make Code Red a scum role, but she didnt realize that town gets mtn dew flavors. Now she's claiming her role cant exist if town only gets mtn dew flavors and my guess is that's because she rolled a competitor and didnt connect that town would all be the tennessee original
VOTE: LLDYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I don't think Toog's opinion on me was AI. I think the reasons for Toog's focus on me might be, but the genuineness of Toog's opinions on me are very clearly just what Toog thinks of me and so you shouldn't be using genuineness as a read factor there.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Pooky explicitly, who is scum and why?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Hmmm.
I think... Wisdom, is Dunn town to you?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Lay it on me why you think that both Mocha Bears and Dunn are townIn post 802, Wisdom wrote:yepYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I need to read againYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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