Mini 1160 - Cupcake Mafia! Cupcakes Baked to Perfection!
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Ah, you silly humans and your emotions. But, I suppose it helps stave off the heat death of the universe.
Anyway, I'll be direct here. chesskid can go die in a fire for all I care. That said, I don't think a policy lynch is the best route. Since you all have decided to let your emotions guide you, I've provided a concise, logical, sensical table of pros and cons for policy lynching chesskid.
Pros:
Chesskid dies
Chesskid dies
We still get to play with Parama
The game won't devolve into everyone yelling at chesskid for being dumb, thusly distracting from scumhunting
Cons:
We lose perfect D1 analysis later in the game
We potentially lose a mislynch (I'm aware he could be scum, but taking simple probability, that's about a 25% chance, and if one were logical about it, they wouldn't bet on that)
We give the scum a more or less free kill
We effectively start D2 as if it were D1, except with at least two less people alive, in a game balanced for 13 players.
For now, the logical choice would be to play normally and ignore chesskid. I don't mean just not lynching him. I mean literally pretending he doesn't exist. If none of us reply to him, what possible impact could he have on things? This game is a 12 player game now.
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You're right, I did forget that Parama has claimed a power. Please, consider that added to my list.
I have not seen any of these fish pictures, so I cannot base my projections off them. Finally, Parama has stated that he will replace out if chesskid is not lynched. If I had to choose between them, chesskid is the logical choice for being removed from this game.
That said, Parama's power being "something good" does not verify it as townie or necessarily being across the board good. I'm not sure it's a solid pro, merely something to consider when making the choice to lynch chesskid or not.
Oh, by the way, my calculations indicate you aren't voting chesskid, Fate. Is there a particular reason for this?
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My other head and I both missed that Parama post. I don't know what ability Parama could have that will provide good things for town if Chess is lynched...
But I'm willing to bite and see what happens. The worst that can happen is that Chess dies and we find out Parama lied.
In which case we question Parama.
Good times.
Vote: Chesskid3
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Hmm. How interesting you humans get with such vagaries.
Oh well, I suppose there are some things I find interesting. I'd like to first note the (lack of) content from smargaret and Steph. I'm aware it's page four, but I'm also aware almost every other player has posted more substantially than those two. Steph in particular bothers me because after a couple pages of fairly eventful events, his only question is about some random thing someone said. There's no analysis, no thoughts, no...anything.
That said, we're not voting either of those players right now. Instead, I direct you to look at Kise's ISO. But don't read it straight. Click the post where he claims double voter, and peruse that series of events. We have a couple problems here. One, he blatantly contradicts himself in the process of his "gambit". The first thing he does is say he's not policy lynching chesskid...then he follows his fake double vote by saying yeah, he policy lynched chesskid. At least, I presume that's the case, unless you decided to use a random acronym I'm unfamiliar with, when you said PL. Maybe Privately Love chesskid? Pulled a Lincoln on chesskid? Ah well, for the time being it seems a lot more like you were policy lynching him.
That, however, is the weakest point. While that's well founded in logic, it seems the Witch I've been teamed up with has a strong feeling about the series of events, particularly Kise's INSISTENCE on chesskid claiming. Now, supposing Kise was gambitting, which feels fairly clear now, why would you press so hard for a claim when you knew chesskid wouldn't die? That doesn't seem like a very townie thing to do at all. My Witch companion would also like to direct you to the wagon activity directly after the "gambit", as a direct result of it.
As such,Unvote, Vote Kise
Ah, it seems you all are quite impatient. Though I suppose a human's lifespan isn't too long, particularly that of puella magi. GreyICE, you have caught my interest. We wonder, for someone who seems to be so emotional about this, why you aren't doing the things you propose?
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GreyICE, I'm glad that you show an astounding ability to respond quickly to questions asked of you, but I'm mildly curious why there was nothing else in my post worth commenting on. Perhaps you need help comprehending it?
Oh, so Kise responds. Ooh, how tough, too. Careful not to let your emotions get the best of you. There was one girl who found out everything about the Puella Magi system who ended up getting herself stuck in an infinite loop of despair for herself and her friends. It's clear where the path of emotion leads. Now, to address your points, where has Katsuki said chesskid is town? I don't believe I've seen that anywhere. Perhaps the red you are seeing is causing you to hallucinate? Secondly, you conveniently side step anything to do with why you pressed chess for a claim when you knew you weren't lynching him. That's very interesting, to me. Thirdly, you're asking us to rely on something you've done in the past, and your emotional response to it? I don't believe this game has anything to do with other games, really. Fourthly, why didn't you ask him to claim at L-3? After all, two people could have come along and voted him, and then someone else could have hammered without asking for a claim. Or perhaps L-4 suits you more? I mean, clearly people were rushing in to vote chesskid. It was quite entertaining, really. I'm sure that without your intervention, we would never have been able to press chesskid on a claim.
The result of all this is that I can't say I'm very convinced, not with the way things occurred. I'm sure my Witch partner will have more to say on that.
smargaret, the consistency between claim and gambit is not there. And what of my other point, where Parama's information turns to a policy lynch?
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When people have Someone at L-1, and ask for a claim, it is usually because they jar the intent to kill then and are looking for a reason not to.
But your plan with your voting gambit was to clear Chess as town, based on his reaction to being hammered.
So if that is the case, why would he need to claim for your gambit? Why is claiming something you would want him to do if your intent was to prove him town? Especially since we don't want to be losing town Power Roles.
Can you explain this?
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Ah, personal attacks. Usually what humans resort to when they realize they've been outlogicked. If I had a capacity for pity, I'd potentially pity you. I see nothing in your post, Kise, that addresses anything I've said. Or what the Witch has said. Why was the push for a claim necessary?
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Interesting. You didn't say that before at all. However, it seems once smargaret has helpfully provided that, you've changed your story. Perhaps the truth would serve you better?
And to humor you, "You must be a special brownie. Cazy." is not a logical attack. It's an imprecation attacking my being rather than my logic (which is of course infallible, at least compared to what you humans call logic). I merely illustrated the fallacies presented by your initial "reason" for pressing chesskid to claim.
I'm not entirely certain who that Katsuki comment is directed at. Could you please clarify?
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I've already told you, Parama. I am known as Kyuubei, or Incubator. I make contracts with pubescent human females to grant them their wishes, in exchange for them becoming magical girls and fighting witches. This process produces Grief Seeds which I take to my home planet to fight off entropy. Isn't that wonderful? Humanity does it's part to save the universe with the power of your emotions!
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Ah, Kise, what I mean is you act as if chesskid is confirmed town, but Katsuki, the moderator of this game hasn't said anything to that effect. Are you expecting me to take your word for it? And as I said, the L-3 and L-4 thing were illustrations of how absurd your stated reasoning was.
To be clear, I'm not "hurt" by what you posted with the brownie thing, I was merely stating that as a response it didn't accomplish anything except make you seem desperate, attacking me instead of the logic.
Parama, I am going to have to decline to answer that. I don't see how it's relevant to the game at hand. I am merely known as Kyuubei, and my posting should be what's relevant to your reads.
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You clearly have missed it, Parama. I've given you three names who are liable to be scum. Perhaps you should hunt through my ISO? Or perhaps perceive who I'm currently voting? It might be fun, like your Easter Egg Hunts or something. Who knows, perhaps if you read my posts instead of asking pointless questions, you could figure out my identity.
And I'm interested, just what makes my posts difficult to read?
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@VV: Since when has it ever been a good idea to outguess the mod on their setup?
You've posted so little content it's mind blowing.
Examine your last post: You blindly call Chess town without giving reasons. That gambit was at BEST a failed one. There's very little way to clear anyone out of it. I'd like to know you reasons for Chess!town. YOUR reasons. Further, asking Kise to explain his GW read, when you don't have an opinion of your own is bad. You're asking others to do the work for you.
Then the rest of your post is disbelief at Fate's claim, and outguessing the mod.
Nothing you have done is particularly content filled, nor is it protown.
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Your OMGUS bores me, Kise. It seems your sole scum read is the person accusing you of being scum. What frail logic.
PS:
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"Wanna make a contract Lambda?" Kyuubei telepathically transmitted to this pink witch, knowing fully what he meant. "Well...I've...certainly always wanted to know love. Everyone gets me all wrong and thinks I'm a horrible person...but I'm the fairest witch of all." LambaDelta replied, as she stood up strikingly uncertainly from her comfortable chair at the game table.
"So...is it love you wish for, LambdaDelta?" Kyuubei eagerly replied, preparing to fulfill her wish in any way necessary
After a moments hesitation, LambdaDelta strongly and lustily called out "Yes, Kyuubei! Make me a magical girl by filling me with your love!"
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/me sighs.
I suppose I might as well reveal myself. It's been fun playing the troll and I've generated a lot of useful information, but I'm willing to assume my normal mantle now, which should hopefully be less frustrating...if you're town. I would love to frustrate scum, myself. It makes them make more mistakes.
Kise and tclawren are 2 of our scum. I have no idea why you all are letting yourselves get distracted by GI vs. Fate.
Anyway, Parama, interesting thing. Your posts have been about three times as useless as Kyuubei's. Why are you raging when you could be, you know, actually scumhunting? Is it too hard to frame some innocent, so you're deciding to focus on irrelevant issues?
Well guess what, Parama. Your excuse is gone.GIVE ME ALL YOUR READS NOW!
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Oh, you were sure it was me, GI~? Darn, and I thought I did a good job covering up, at least until I started trolling Kise.
I agree Parama needs lynchings, but Kise/tclaw need them more, GI. Come on, join the side of the cupcakes and happiness!
@GI Cut: wellllllll, actually, chesskid would still be an AMAZING lynch, but that's more not wanting to deal with idiots.
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Fate is misguided town. What he's doing is trying to draw people into his vortex of rage, and he caught a hapless townie. His rage vortex doesn't work if he admits that, so he's more or less stuck fighting you until one of you SHUTS THE FUCK UP. I can see at least three different traps that he was attempting. Basically, both of you are town, stop fucking fighting, and let's lynch scum.
Reads subject to review as game goes on. But between LLD and I, I'm comfortable about Kise/tclawren/Parama, for now.
Also, I did notice that, didn't make the connection like I should have though. I must admit, if anyone were to guess who I was, it'd be probably have been you. Well, LLD, but she's in this hydra so :V!
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And Parama continues to claim scum. Keep it up guy~
Your "case" on smarg looks good on the surface, and to be honest, she's not exactly topping my list of town reads. I just think your conduct as of yet is worse than anything she's done. Seriously. What POSSIBLE town intent could you have in wasting several pages trying to force me to claim who I really was? What town benefit did that have? Because it SURE as fuck had a lot of scum benefit.
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@Parama: Oh? Why is vollkan scum? Why is GW kind of scum? What makes CupcakePanda and tclawren null?
I'm not going to question your townish to town reads right now.
@GI cut: Perhaps, but think of it this way. Do you HONESTLY think Fate is getting lynched today? With people like smarg, Steph, tclawren, Kise, chess, and Parama around? Don't be naive. If you want to get a lynch that will go through, work with me here. I still don't see Fate as scum, but you and I have an overlap on tclawren. VOTE HIM!
@Fatecut: Oh? Let's see, what happened the last time I questioned your amazingness? OH RIGHT! I FLIPPED TOWNANDWAS KILLED BEFORE YOU, BY SCUM.
Look Fate, you're competent, BUT YOU ARE
And you. Are not. Getting a GI lynch today!
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You're right. We both were tunneling on each other. YOU SEE A PATTERN!? I was wrong too. But I didn't say I was better than you. I said LLD and I together were better than you. Most of the reads I'm expressing are from her, with me seeing where she's coming from. I'm merely enforcing it, because both you and I know LLD doesn't PUSH things. I do.
So, that's the game we're playing, and you WILL back the fuck off Fate, or you WILL lose.
As for your request, you know as well as I do what my response is.
Witches don't take requests!
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Hmm, though, I suppose I should ask. Since when is insulting your competence a scumtell? Don't I always do it? Because YOU AREN'T AS GOOD AS YOU THINK YOU ARE, AS PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN?
Secondly, since when is refusal to lynch GI a scum tell? Where has Katsuki said Grey is scum? You can't call associative bullshit tells without the first fucking flip.
Thirdly, since when is claiming miller a scumtell? Sure, maybe we shouldn't live to lylo, though you're a fucking idiot if you're going to lynch based off *that* and not actual scumminess. But last I checked, it's a null tell.
So, what's this case you have on us?BULLLLLLLLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!
@GI cut: But Fate isn't scum. He's just being DUMB. And tunnely. His cases are crap and we know they're crap. He needs to be beaten down, and damned if I won't be the one to do it and pull his head out of his fucking ass.
We don't want to lose town Fate. We just want him to stop being so fucking MYOPIC.
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All right. Let's approach it this way. Fate, why don't you *calmly*, no caps, no yelling, no anything, tell me why GI is scum? Then tell me why I'm scum? I see a lot of associative tells in your wall of rage, but I don't see any individual tells. Secondly, fine, you're right, I've been a bit of a bitch about past games, and I should apologize. I'll stop trying to throw that in your face when I think you're wrong. It's not a good tactic. I shouldn't use the past to prove you wrong, I should use this game right here. I'll also note I'll try to avoid doing so in the future. Fair enough? Thirdly, do you suspect anyone else that's not GI or myself? If so, who, and why with the same caveats as above.
Kise is still getting a big lol no, and I'm going to note this is the third or fourth time he's "pressured" me without producing jack shit of his own. He's picked what he's going to coast on and he's doing a super job of it. Too bad he's not doing a super job of, you know, being town. Why don't you try to scumhunt on your own rather than try to get answers for your scumbuddy. If tclawren wants to know why he's vote worthy, he can ask us himself. Though he's already told us himself in quite a few ways~
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I was waiting to discuss this with my companion, but now we have so.
Hey, vollkan, how about you stop
...and start scumhunting?
And no, +10 on smarg does not count as an acceptable contribution. Are you seriously telling me absolutely nothing else of import has happened? Are you just pretending Kise and tclawren don't exist? Have you no thoughts on Parama? Even if you're waiting to see the GI/Fate/UA love triangle destroy itself, there's a FUCK TON more you could comment on, yet refuse to.
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Parama, why on earth would you lynch a member of the town over someone you know is scum?
Even if Chess is a bad player, he's not stupid enough to justify that kind of PL. At this point, when you have strong scum reads, you should be pushing them and voting them over anyone else.
Fate, nice to see you too. If you're so certain on town!Kise, perhaps you could tell me why you are convinced?
Other than that, can we keep the town big personality wars down, and focus on catching scum? Thanks!
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So, not much interesting has happened outside of Fate reverting to GreyICE for ??? reasons. Smarg's post is uninteresting, though slightly townlike. tclawren is still scum that needs to die. How interesting he hasn't bothered to post since we started voting him. But, I suppose since Kise is defending him he doesn't want to dig his hole any deeper.
Tclawren is the lynch that's happening today.
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EBWOP: Oh, right, GW, vote tclawren or Parama, I don't care which, but you shall vote, thank you.
Cut by smar:
But I got what I wanted.
Cut by tclawren: Good of you to join us. My partner and I shall have to discuss your latest post and our desire to fulfill your request. Expect a response later, fair enough?
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smargaret wrote:
1)I don't think Fate's faking his PR - has nobody else in this game put rainbow sprinkles on cupcakes? Am I the only one who's having a funfetti wedding cake? Flavor wise, it makes too much sense to automatically assume it's fake. That said, I don't think the presence of a PR says anything about his alignment, and the argument with GI has only shut things down as far as Fate being able to scumhunt. I expect better.
I do think GI is reaching and trying to push a Fate lynch, hoping maybe for support from chesskid et al.
I like GW, gut townread on Parama. Kise is null. LLD/UK ... are interesting.2)The Kyubei gambit doesn't sit well with me, but I don't see what the advantage is of doing both that and claiming miller as scum.LLD/UK are good enough players to be capable of playing well enough to not get investigated, so I don't see why they'd claim as town.I'm leaning scum on them, but since it's because of the miller claim I don't think they're the scummiest players for today. Chess is being uncharacteristically silent/reasonable, Vollkan hasn't improved, but everyone else hasn't said enough for me to have an opinion on them.
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1) "FATE'S PR IS REAL BECAUSE RAINBOW SPRINKLES." Yeah. Flavor speculation is bad, especially since you are using it as a kind of proxy defense. You even state explicitly:
That said, I don't think the presence of a PR says anything about his alignment.
Which to me reads like: "Fate isn't lying about this because of flavor shit, OH BUT I'M NOT DEFENDING HIM. NO. DON'T THINK THAT PLEASE."
Further, your vote on GI and your comments about him make it clear that you support Fate in this Fate vs. GI debate. While it is POSSIBLE that they could be bussing... I'm gonna throw this out.
Fate and GI are not scum together.
Assuming this opinion, if you think GI is scum, you imply Fate as town.
Unless, of course, you want to assume they are BOTH scum Smarg?
You can't sit on the fence with Fate while your vote is parked on GI. Sorry.You're lying.
2) Here's a question: Why does it make sense if we are competent enough players to avoid investigation... that we would claim miller as scum? That would only draw attention towards us of a different sort. If we were scum, and we felt like we could avoid being investigated, it would make more sense NOT to claim miller.
Essentially, your logic is at best WIFOM; at worst WRONG.
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Fate wrote:Are you calling me scum now UK? Implying I'm throwing out suspicion to see "who bites?"
I've already outlined the reasons, if you were reading my posts instead of buddying me you'd SEE those reasons.
And Kise sees the same things. "Lol why would I claim miller as scum if I'm a good player?" Because you DON"T want an investigation to ruin your "Master Scum Plans." Same reason a player like Vi would claim miller as scum.It also explains why you aren't being NK'd, etc.
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