Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

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hi yall : ]

vote parama

gonna pretend to bus you before you can pretend to bus me~~

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thats why im only pretending to bus him. obv.

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vote parama

why didnt you respond to my pretend bus?

followup question how relieved were you that fate dropped out of the game and couldnt peg you as scum on d1? (too bad you got caught anyways)

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yah hey, its me, your buddy kanye.

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good call.

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wait is that a trust tell? way to ruin tthe integrity of this game parama. god.

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i like it

unvote vote quillford

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also yeah

yos is giving me the odd vibes like i give kids candy

oh, is this not trying to set up some followup on yos?

note you also did this with vi. you basically said that half the parama wagon could be scummy but you are not opposed to his lynch.

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So you wouldn't be opposed to a Parama lynch, but don't want it NOW

OF COURSE I DON'T FUCKING WANT IT NOW WE ARE 72 HOURS AND 6 PAGES INTO DAY 1

yeah yeah long days harm the town, /whatever/

short days are even worse. a handful of people have barely posted, the less you hear from people the less you can hold them accountable for wht they've said.

kindly fuck off with your 'i caught one live' bullshit, anyone who says that and means it on page 5 is deluding themselves

"You see this shit all the time now; scum don't know whether to commit to a defense of a townie or take the juicy hammer thrust in front of their faces. Instead, they waffle their reads on the wagon'd player ("he's probably scum... but I want more information first") player and try to shift suspicion onto the tail-end voters."
lol y u so dumb

IF I WERE SAYING BUT I WANT MORE INFORMATION FIRST ON PAGE FORTY FUCKING FIVE THAT WOULD BE A WAFFLED READ. SAYING IT ON PAGE FIVE IS NOT. HOW CAN YOU SHIFT SUSPICION ONTO THE TAIL END VOTERS OF A PLAYER WHO HASN'T EVEN FLIPPED? YOUR VOTE WAS AS SHIT AS ALL HELL AND I FOUND YOS VAGUELY SCUMMY IN HOW HE WAS COMING ACROSS NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT HE SAID ABOUT PARAMA

analyze this, people. does this sound like scum to you?

its called fake mad.

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and quilford isnt very good @ it.

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I am totally self-righteous because I know what I will flip and I'm not scared to die

lol.

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cool man.keep it up.

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i still support my quilford vote. going to reread cus most of my other reads are nonexistent at this point.

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yep. hes definitely scum.

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lol.

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btw youre missing a quilford vote there buddy.

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btw for anyone who is unconvinced this is a quilscum action: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17789

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yo elaborate on how you are getting a town vibe on quilford/elmo "now"? the only recent activity from him is elmo saying hes going to read the game?

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basically youre full of shit.

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and also probably his scum partner? thats cool. but real chat someone please tell me why we arent lynching the most obvious fuckin scum in this game?

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its you.

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-_- I was hoping you wouldn't say that. I glanced at Quils Iso and its garbage. He was all over the place and didn't seem to really care for this game. At least he replaced out though. His vote on Nuwen is crap. Speaking of which
UNVOTE: Nuwen

yall see this scumfession?

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"gosh quilford sure was scummy youre right here let me just distance myself from everything he did were good now right?"

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emphasis on his unvote being because it was something quilford did and looks scummy and not because of his own personal reads.

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cool.

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huh. see i thought that towniness was wanting to lynch scum. guess i was mistaken.

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ive said more about quilford than any other player in this game, its where my vote is, and im actively declaring him scum? how is any of what you just said true?

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by the way did you know that i think that slot is fucking scum and want it lynched?

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except not?

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also yeah

yos is giving me the odd vibes like i give kids candy

oh, is this not trying to set up some followup on yos?

note you also did this with vi. you basically said that half the parama wagon could be scummy but you are not opposed to his lynch.

So you wouldn't be opposed to a Parama lynch, but don't want it NOW

OF COURSE I DON'T FUCKING WANT IT NOW WE ARE 72 HOURS AND 6 PAGES INTO DAY 1

yeah yeah long days harm the town, /whatever/

short days are even worse. a handful of people have barely posted, the less you hear from people the less you can hold them accountable for wht they've said.

kindly fuck off with your 'i caught one live' bullshit, anyone who says that and means it on page 5 is deluding themselves

"You see this shit all the time now; scum don't know whether to commit to a defense of a townie or take the juicy hammer thrust in front of their faces. Instead, they waffle their reads on the wagon'd player ("he's probably scum... but I want more information first") player and try to shift suspicion onto the tail-end voters."
lol y u so dumb

IF I WERE SAYING BUT I WANT MORE INFORMATION FIRST ON PAGE FORTY FUCKING FIVE THAT WOULD BE A WAFFLED READ. SAYING IT ON PAGE FIVE IS NOT. HOW CAN YOU SHIFT SUSPICION ONTO THE TAIL END VOTERS OF A PLAYER WHO HASN'T EVEN FLIPPED? YOUR VOTE WAS AS SHIT AS ALL HELL AND I FOUND YOS VAGUELY SCUMMY IN HOW HE WAS COMING ACROSS NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT HE SAID ABOUT PARAMA

analyze this, people. does this sound like scum to you?

its called fake mad.

btw for anyone who is unconvinced this is a quilscum action: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17789

"gosh quilford sure was scummy youre right here let me just distance myself from everything he did were good now right?"

emphasis on his unvote being because it was something quilford did and looks scummy and not because of his own personal reads.

wow sure is a lot of not specific reasons why i think that slot is scum. guess all i really did is say "your scum"

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want more reasons why i think quilford slot is scum? here you go:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

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imho its pretty damning evidence.

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so youre acknowledging that quilford is scum then? it wouldnt be much of a backup lynch based on him being a scumbuddy if the first one didnt flip scum after all.

notice i ddint call him scum since quilford hasnt flipped scum yet. much like i havent called you scum yet <3

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hey whys chiaro scum?

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id appreash it if some1 gave me a quick rundown on that

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thanks ill look at those tonight

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oh thank fuck katsuki youd better fucking be town

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so shos is probably town but i cringe at the thought of him being in lylo.
chiar wagon is... okay. i can see the argument for him and im not really against lynching him but i still want to lynch the obvscum instead.

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Nonononononononononononono. No.

LIES LIES LIES

Is there some reason that this guy isn't dead yet? I really want everyone who's not voting UN to justify that here. The only person who has at this point has been Vi; I haven't heard anyone else give any reason for keeping UN alive, and yet he's been remarkably hard to lynch.

i just dont see the reason to lynch him over quil/elmo. he clutters the thread up with nonsense and terrible reads but im not going to lynch someone based on that, especially when we have elmo to work with.

by the way elmo's "well kanye is tunneling me but getting nowhere so i dont have to do anything" only makes him scummier.

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yah ill answer that gimme 1 sec. u reminded me that i need 2 do that for zar 2 thanks.

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I'm not in the wagon because I don't really get where the hell all the quilford hate comes from. @Kanye: How exactly do you find that quilford's D1 joke votes are damning evidence?

Being pissed and asking for a replacement doesn't really strike me as a scumtell, it strikes me as a theatrical from somoene who doesn't think he can reason with whomever is pushing for his wagon.

As for the replacement, I don't see Elmo doing anything striking me as odd or weird to make me want to lynch him.

i never said i was voting him for joke votes. dont know where you got that impression. the initial vote was off him waffling hard as fuck on parama and trying to set up shit on yos/nuwen. since that, his reactions have been to try and act ragey and indignant at the votes on him (hes not good at this) and then he replaced out in a fashion similar to the way he did it as scum in a game both yos and i played with him before. all of that is more than enough for me to want him lynched.

being pissed and asking for a replacement isnt a scumtell, except for when that player has acted the same way before and it bears striking resemblance to their scumplay.

and elmo has been scummy as fuck since he got back. he tried to play nice with me when he first replaced in and distance himself from quilford. when that failed he omgus'd and has done absolutely nothing of value since. my vote is not moving until elmo is lynched. hes caught fucking scum and im not letting him get away sorry!

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i thought you agreed that the hate on the quil slot was reasonable?

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seems kind of odd to me that you would vote someone over that. i mean, if you were town at least.

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uberninja please explain how you can possibly have a town read on this kid. a reason other than "well i think the ppl on his wagon are scum," if you will.

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"im literally retarded" is an acceptable reason, however.

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hey elmo would you say that you how a strong town read on the following people:
uberninja, furcolow, charter, shos, vi

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have

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i wasnt asking you

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uberninja please explain how you can possibly have a town read on this kid. a reason other than "well i think the ppl on his wagon are scum," if you will.

Why are you calling him a kid? Do you feel the need to maintain some sort of intellectual high ground?

I do believe I've already explained my town read on Quilford's slot.

yah thats what im doing. totally.

i must have missed when you explained your town read on him. could you link me to the post?

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hey elmo would you say that you have a strong town read on the following people:
uberninja, furcolow, charter, shos, vi

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Not to mention I've already pointed out that Quilford has replaced out as scummy Town as well.

do you have a link to this? i doubt it will do much to change my read on the slot but ill look at it.

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yet you agree with an "alliance" comprised of those players + yourself?

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I have a reasonably strong town read on all of those except Vi.

similarly to you un, vi is part of your proposed town alliance and on this same page you are still calling for him to be a part of it. explain.

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@zar obvious hyperbole.

also i was referring to the reasoning for my initial vote, not his initial vote. and you dont see the scum intent behind someone not opposing a lynch and standing to the sidelines hoping for the vote to go through? i dont believe that.

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hey kats whos scum.

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what do you think about my heartthrob, elmo~

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I have a reasonably strong town read on all of those except Vi.

similarly to you un, vi is part of your proposed town alliance and on this same page you are still calling for him to be a part of it. explain.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say...

Please rephrase it; thanks.

you are trying to create a town alliance. it makes sense to limit such an alliance to players you have a strong town read on so as to keep scum out of it, thats the point. yet on the same page you are saying that you want vi in the alliance you are expressing doubts about his townness. do you see where one might take issue with this?

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nuwen what did spring say upon receipt of this?

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cus when i read that bit im pretty sure that was just a flavor description for the lynch

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Lets do this. Based on your improved behavior, you are welcome to join the alliance, which currently consists of:

Me
Furcolow
Elmo

nope. furcolow is the only person in this list i would say i have a decent town read on.

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I

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see a scum motive for a post like kanye 722 though, but evidently that wagon's not going to happen so freaking etc.

the intent behind this is nuwen doing something similar to this as scum in a game i just played with her.

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anyways i still want to lynch elmo please notice that he is ignoring questions ive asked of him, specifically the line of questioning ive been doing that has led him to declare me town. HMMM.

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I

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see a scum motive for a post like kanye 722 though, but evidently that wagon's not going to happen so freaking etc.

the intent behind this is nuwen doing something similar to this as scum in a game i just played with her.

Lynx plz

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3948456 specifically #645 to 647. the whole mechanic aspect and messaging the mod part and being public about it reminded me of that. on rereading it its not as similar as i thought but i was still reminded of it. regardless, nuwens response is the one that i would have expected spring to give and im not sure where i stand on this now.

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yet you agree with an "alliance" comprised of those players

[uberninja, furcolow, charter, shos, vi]

+ yourself?

...actually he's just talking about this :/

sorry it was more fun to imagine than know~~

but yeah thats what im referring to. the gist of what i am getting at is that elmo is just throwing shit out there and actually doesnt have any reasoning behind his reads and is saying what he thinks will make him more towny. people start swaying town on kanye? "yeah me too, i think hes town now too." and his shit about un?? hes happily in on an alliance with him but will he offer a town read for him? nope. im just not seeing actual town thinking going on behind his posts.

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yah that explanation does nothing for me.

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THanks for droppin by parama.

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as some1 who has played a lot of games with katsuki i can say this is par for the course and isnt making me lean one way or the other on him. its too bad you were only obvtown in the game where i was scum and already knew your alignment :<

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hey kats lets be scumbuddies in another game sometime those are always lots of fun

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btw something id like to point out that ive been thinking a little about, this wagon (Elmo TeH AzN (4): Nuwen, kanyeknowsbest, Yosarian2, Furcolow,) did not get pushed through by scum. i think its undeniable that i will take a lot of heat (the most out of ne1 on the wagon) should elmo flip town. 2 conclusions im gonna have to come back to after he flips eventually (i swear to god if he makes it more than a few days without flipping im gonna be steamin mad!!), scum refusing to bus or a scum heavy wagon that didnt get any town support.

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Is there any possible way a townie makes this post? If this isn't trying to cover your ass for a wagon you know is on town, I don't know what is.

do you disagree that its odd that none of the wagons that have made it to 4 or 5 votes have managed to get pushed through?

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also please note im using that as further evidence that elmo is scum since everyone on that wagon with me i have a town read on. the conclusion im drawing ther eis hes scum.

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also please note im using that as further evidence that elmo is scum since everyone on that wagon with me i have a town read on. the conclusion im drawing ther eis hes scum.

Scum enough not to join any other wagon?

i really want him lynched, but i dont think its going to happen today. i dont like the un wagon or the yos wagon. id settle for pirate but theres not really anyone else i really want to lynch. ive been tunneling hard as fuck so im going to reread and ignore him and see if anyone else grabs my attention.

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i dont want to lynch him.

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Your whole case was based on Quils posting.

do you actually believe this

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@un wth

also i dont think we can apply the ellitell to pirate. it looks to me like he just site flaked completely. saying that he was extremely active in another game is exaggerating the fact that he made all of 4 posts in another game that was much further along than this one less than a day after his last post here. that said, i didnt see his supposed scum claim before. i think thats actually a pretty solid strike against him. i still want to reread before i move my vote but as of now thats where its gonna go.

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unvote vote zar

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because im not tunneling elmo anymore today.

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my vote was half pressure half sheeping furcolow and half shitty gut ive been vibing off you all game that i was too busy tunneling elmo to pursue. his quick hop onto the wagon after me made me flinch a bit, but your reactions are more than enough to get me to stay on. you basically sound like youre frustrated at getting strung up for the "wrong reason" right now

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hey can we please lynch elmo tomorrow now?

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lol.

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why the fuck would they kill elmo.

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who am i supposed to tunnel today now.

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vote hiraki

nm i figured out who im gonna tunnel

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about UN, you guys will probably be interested in one of UN's other ongoing games, and there too, he was lynched day 1 and flipped town. that happened during this game's long night.

what does this have to do with anything?

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are you trying to justify your position on his wagon or something?

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yeah thats actually what i figured.

hey shos. hes telling the truth: a 1-1 trade isnt worth it for scum.

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you took the words right out of my mouth

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why wouldnt you claim that? a message entreating you as a possible scum candidate trying to confirm you as scum and pushing a pro scum agenda? thats good information for town to have. the first thing it would make me think of is there is some sort of third party that can win with scum or a traitor. yknow, kind of the stuff a townie would want the rest of the town to know.

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shos: do/did you get notified that your bp soaked a kill attempt?

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hiraki: why not push for mass flavor name claim before sharing that? that said, is this perhaps something we should do?

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no were not claiming role names today, thats stupid. what might be a good idea to claim is the flavor name (ie "Endymion in Diane and Endymion by Jean-Jacques Pradier" for elmo, "A Statuette of Pazuzu" for uberninja)

at the very least i would like to hear yos' flavor name.

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also, for now

unvote

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Game rules

Flavour in this game may help you, it may also trick you. You are encouraged to do your own research.

i agree that exclusively discussing flavor is scummy, but we cant ignore it and it is something that merits discussion given that spring is putting such an emphasis on it. anyways im not opposed to the idea of nuwen scum, and zar is feeling town to me lately actually.

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~Kats in every mafia game ever, even the ones he didn't play in

i played a game with him once wher ehe was actually read the game and was super proactive it was amazing. he got lynched for it, naturally.

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vote shos

i need to check a thing.

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by the way can we finish doing the name claim thing. no sense in stopping halfway

we still have furcolow, katsuki, nuwen, parama, zar and myself who have not done so.

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??

clearly im wating.

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??

clearly im wating.

kanyes first.

let me get this straight zar i am one of your top two town reads (so much so you highlight my name in GREEN in vca) but you are unwilling to nameclaim before me?

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furc: yesterday i came to the conclusion that he was town (bad vi town being exploited by scum.) i did not like his jump onto nuwen and i need to go reread his wagon and see if i still feel that way. i havent done much d2 except push mass nameclaim because im sort of at a loss in this game. got 2 get back into the groove~~

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Who is your top scumread?

if i had one i would be pushing it. i think yos is town. i think you are town. literally every other person in this game i am waffling hard as fuck on. i need to reread around the un wagon and pick my favorite candidate from there. i thought it was going to be hiraki coming in but ive lost interest in that.

also katsuki not reading a game is 100% a null tell unfort. doesnt mean hes not scum here though (he might be.)

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CONCLUSION: While he's been heavily pressing on the Chiaro slot + Nuwen, charter had been calling out Kanye as suspicious all day but never showed interest in pursuing this any further. Weak Scumread.

does it make him more or less likely scum if i am town?

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I saw an escargot walk past this game 10 times back and forth.

CONCLUSION: While he's been heavily pressing on the Chiaro slot + Nuwen, charter had been calling out Kanye as suspicious all day but never showed interest in pursuing this any further. Weak Scumread.

does it make him more or less likely scum if i am town?

??

clearly im wating.

kanyes first.

let me get this straight zar i am one of your top two town reads (so much so you highlight my name in GREEN in vca) but you are unwilling to nameclaim before me?

games slow as heck but you dont got time to answer these q's???

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just furc and nuwen left to name claim and then ill give mine.

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4 and a half days til deadline. furc nameclaim so i can get mine over with.

yos, whos scum besides furc?

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i didnt like your nuwen vote and i couldnt remember why i previously thought you were town. ive basically been waiting for name claim to finish before being useful again.

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you think hes lying about being a vig?

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i would not be opposed.

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unvote vote parama

youre still on the hook for nameclaiming furc.

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what the fuck? nameclaim furc.

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were not no lynching.

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yeah, okay.

unvote vote furc

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speculation: 2 scum are people, 1 scum is art.

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given his behavior around this claim i dont see how hes not a scum rolecop. it also makes sense for scum to have a rolecop given the amount of town power weve seen in this game.

lets see if he actually feels like answering the questions posed to him (doubtful) but i still want to lynch him.

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oh lol, i forgot about that too. nice.

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nah we dont even have to wait. that quote yos pulled up confirms him as scum.

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nuwen*

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okay but can we hammer him for real now?

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Spoiler: role pm

Role PM

You are

Williard Winckelmann

, a scientific consultant specialized in art expertise working in collaboration with the Louvre. You do not regret moving from Germany even thought Parisian are sometimes insufferably arrogant, working for the past ten years with such a museum has been great and you can often be seen in your lab until late into the night, grey hair in disarray and a look of concentration on your face. Your wife complains enough about the after hours, but in truth, the time spent in the company of finely tuned instruments and delicate work of arts is a welcome respite from the dreadful woman. The death of the Directeur has affected you as he was a good man. You have decided to use expertise to help putting the culprit behind bars.

Wincon

You dearly love the Louvre and will do anything to save it. You win when all threats to the Museum have been eliminated from the game or if nothing can prevent the same.

Abilities

• Vote:
  during the day, you may cast a vote which will count toward a lynch.
  
• Expertise:
  Each night you may take a sample from a player of your choice to perform chemical analysis and radiocarbon dating tests.

The game thread can be found here.

Please reply to this PM to confirm that you have read and understood your role.

Spoiler: n1 result (expertise yos)

You were able to secure a small piece of cloth from Yosarian.
Ocular examination reveals that it is made of modern synthetic textile.
You decide against radiocarbon testing as the sample is not ancient enough to obtain conclusive results.

Ability update: Due to Uberninja's death, you are now able to apply your expertise to deceased or destroyed player if you choose to do so.

Spoiler: n2 result (expertise charter)

You obtain a fragment of wood from charter. You stay late in your lab to test it.
Ocular observation reveals that it is covered in oil paint.
X-ray fluorescence spectroscopy shows that manganese oxide was used as pigment.
IR spectroscopic analysis reveals that the wood is poplar. It further reveals traces of glue.
Carbon dating of the wood reveals that it dates from early 16th century.

You are quite excited about your finding. Happy, you are about to quit your lab when a tall man enters.
And kills you.

I'm sorry you are dead.
You may now join the communal graveyard here: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/hBxusKsEMHWnk

dead qt http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/hBxusKsEMHWnk
from what nuwen and spring said the scum team was just nuwen/furc. charter was town

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i was convinced d2 that one of nuwen/vi was scum but i was terrified of lynching the wrong one :x
turns out both were the right choice woops. nice win vi : ]

also agree, un was painfully obvtown d1. still dont regret my elmo push.

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yah lol

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good thing u didnt need a fakeclaim : ]

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i think that spring wanted you to be forced to claim mummy so that youd have a reason to use your pr body part stuff since the clues point to the mummy. so mean springchan~~