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Didn't mod say something about not gaming the game... Sounds like Bal's gaming.
Cause that or something very similar was exactly what I was thinking as well."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Skimming along, finishing at work.
I already thought there might be flaws in Bal's theory... I guess It's pointless to overthink that now.
I think Vifam looks very town. Bal as well. I didn't get any others as strong town tells... there were a few I thought scummy actually, will look again with some more time.
And I'm Elmer."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 122, Human Destroyer wrote:
Benmage, if you actually could tell us who you find scummy, that would be great, thanks.
Read what I wrote bro."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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^Town.
AND BLAST! That was going to be my secret way of gamming the game!
God you "gamers" suck at being subtle."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 141, PeregrineV wrote:In post 137, Benmage wrote:@Sanjay.... being obstinate is not cool.
I wish Ben was town.
@Ben- Did it work?
pedit: True...lol
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In post 147, Sanjay wrote:I'm sorry, Benmage. I didn't think I was being obstinate.
I suppose I can't simultaneously criticize Balrog for being coy about his roleclaim and do it myself. I thought it was clear that I was nameclaiming 'Sanjay' but I guess not.
The flavor, unfortunately, is different than the one I hinted at in my last (first?) post.
Forgive me for having a tough time thinking you actually pulled Sanjay, randomly for a character and didn't enter the thread all HUZZZAAAHHH like."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 148, PeregrineV wrote:Yes. This is a daywish so I know if I can listen to you or look for you to bus your scumteam.
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In post 155, Sanjay wrote:MrZepher, why didn't you check the PM before claiming?
I did mine off memory.
Would scum be more likely to go off memory, or would they be more likely to double check themselves??
Cool, guess we have Zeph as conftown.
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In post 170, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 158, Benmage wrote:In post 155, Sanjay wrote:MrZepher, why didn't you check the PM before claiming?
I did mine off memory.
Would scum be more likely to go off memory, or would they be more likely to double check themselves??
Cool, guess we have Zeph as conftown.
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This is silly.
How do you know he didn't just screw up an attempt at a fakeclaim?
Can't be 100% sure, welcome to mafia. It's early but I have him as a strong town read nonetheless. And like I said, whose more likely to double check??
Moreover there was an old MD thread which said "slips" happen more often from town acting quickly and making mistakes. I think this is an example of that. Is it irreversible? Hell no. But I'm looking elsewhere for sure."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 163, PeregrineV wrote:In post 161, Vifam wrote:Why not? I just thought it'd be interesting
I don't watch the show all the time, but isn't some teacher always after the fairies? I can imagine scum gaining something from picking off specific characters.
I can't.
The intro seemed real basic.
Town has two wishes. Scum block wishes or kill. 10v3... Thats it. Nothing secret its practically an open setup.
I'd like a claim from you."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 177, Sanjay wrote:Also, I got a sort of "testing the waters, do I dare to jump in?" vibe from this post.
I'm a little torn to be fair. But would scum really attempt to call out an obviously protown plan, and a protown player? Doubtful in my opinion. I think they'd be more like "oh shit oh shit oh shit" Than actually call Bal out."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 181, Sanjay wrote:That was in response to my plan, not Bal's if that changes your answer. The plan involving the mafia claiming and us magicking them over to the good guy team.
Ohhh I see. No, that strengthens the read more so."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I agree with HD, nothing there proves town.
Pedit: Yeah his complain about not breaking the setup seem a little disingenuous. As does his in thread mod question."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 191, Sanjay wrote:In post 186, Benmage wrote:In post 181, Sanjay wrote:That was in response to my plan, not Bal's if that changes your answer. The plan involving the mafia claiming and us magicking them over to the good guy team.
Ohhh I see. No, that strengthens the read more so.
The townread? How so?
He's read town. You have him speaking against Balrog (kinda like Vifam's bitching)... You have the imo, townslip. Then with your plan we have actual consideration. His posting has come off as genuine to me."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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This is where I'm at:
Town:
Human Destroyer
Balrog
Benmage
Klick
MrZephyr
Sanjay
Vifam
Slight town:
kiwieagle
Neutral:
adorkable
N/A
Seanald
captaineddie
Slight Scum:
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Scum:
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In post 225, -L- wrote:I am spending most of my time trying to figure out benmage's motivations for leading the town.
I didnt think I had led too much yet, but why wouldn't I?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 240, captaineddie wrote:Uh, If I were the mod of this "fun" game, I would so totally let sanjay BE sanjay. Think of all the entertainment value! =D
Pretty sure mods aren't suppose to "pick" who gets what."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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@Sanjay I haven't gone back to reread the first 4 pages... but since I have a list, whats the difference? I'm sure if I get the free time, I'll review the intro, but doing iso's, that early sentiment might be out dated by now."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 251, Sanjay wrote:That's beside the point.
The point is that there's this weird inconsistency between this post, the posts before it, and the posts after it.
Benmage apparently saw stuff that was scummy. Not from me, Balrog, or Vifam, apparently, because he goes on to say that we all look town. Probably not Human Destroyer either, given this. Yet, the very next thing he does is come after me based on my nameclaim and defend Zeph. Why?
He had a ball. Why didn't he run with it?
Actually my early intuitions from that post did resonate, and if you look at my list you can see this. Moreover some of the early feeling(gut) reads have changed, hence why I said outdated.
But I have PV, and L both who posted prior to the one you link. Both who I have listed as scum.
What ball in this games first 4 pages do you think I can run with it?
I have PV pegged as scum, and I have been defending Zeph whom I think is town and an easy target at this point.
I'm confused as to what inconsistencies you are dealing with or seeing? Because I said I might have seen a few scummy things, but haven't specified them? Have I really mentioned why PV is scum in my eyes? No. There's a reason to that. One you'll have to wait on but an aspect being the significant less contribution to the game by several individuals."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 247, Sanjay wrote:What's to review? I'm just asking you what you meant.
Is it not obvious in the context written?
I felt early town tells from some. Gut read (but stronger than the scum gut ones).
And early scum from a few."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Those few being L, PV, and Klick but on an earlier iso of Klick I changed that. Again I haven't looked at the 4 pages closely to confirm that. Nor do I think I will as it was quick thoughts that don't have the same relevance as other concentrations.
......Yes, I just said I have purposely not made a concrete case.
I feel significantly better about PV than L.
L, I'm torn with with... but PoE with other town reads is against her."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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@Seanald,feel free to sheep me.
You were lynched last game because your play was subpar, I hope you are more active this game."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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So your curious why Klicks view on you may not be town.... but see no reason to comment or question anything I've said in regards to you..."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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How about that game was ayear and a half ago.And no 2 games are alike... derr..
However everyone should enjoy reading that game. I fakeclaimed cop with a guilty on the redherring mafia godfather. Mwaahahha.
Anyways, want some more UPTODATE consistent meta. I hate replacements. They ruin games. Lynch a slightscum read that's replacing anyways. Hellz ya."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I had no idea this was a repeat offender, until Sanjay mentioned it.
You think I can instantly recall that from that long ago...."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 379, Sanjay wrote:What have you been doing? I thought you were suspicious of -L-. You didn't check up on her past games?
Hell no."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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The answer is relatively simple.
L in the previous game I asked to be replaced out because she was showing basic inexperience.
-I didn't connect this game to that game at all. Shit I only just skimmed that L was replacing out, and was down to lynch someone I found suspicious rather than waste our time and the mods time. What is consistent is my distaste for replacements in general. You can find this mentality in past games of mine and in overral mafia discussion.
To think here, at work while I skimmed the page, that I connected L to a game 2 1/2 years ago..
Whats the saying I'm looking for??? ....Go fuck yourself. Thats the one!"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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The more recent L I read, the less I want to see her lynched.
MOAR PV votes.
@Human Destroyer, your read on PV?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 399, Human Destroyer wrote:Yes
I'm allowed to have null reads, don't go complaining about them as if everyone is some sort of scumhunting god
Certainly.
But you haven't prodded at him, asked him any questions, or commented on anything he's done. (Distancing much?)
How can you change this null read if you don't prod?
Why is he null to you? You have literally zero opinion on anything he's done?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 328, MrZepher wrote:Plus when you post town reads there's no reason to post yourself as town.... It's a silly thing to nitpick at but his general posting style doesn't seem to warrant that kind of behavior.
I often stick myself in my own townreads.
Zeph, I really don't like your Klick vote. Other than being an isolated one, this string of posts read genuine town to me:
In post 90, Klick wrote:I feel cheap, because there are a few obvious town due to this.
In post 97, Klick wrote:I was thinking HD and Balrog as near-confirmed.
In post 99, Klick wrote:Vifam is also likely town for questioning fakeclaims.
This one too.
In post 171, Klick wrote:So now we have the following as town:
Me
Balrog
HD
Sanjay
PV
Vifam (probably)
Basically I don't forsee Klick hanging today.
Please switch your vote to PV. You have him listed as scum anyways."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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, skiing tomorrow."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 478, PeregrineV wrote:And you still never answered how any of it helps you catch scum. Because it doesn't, because you're not scumhunting.
Prodding around is prtown. Just because the nameclaim didnt break anything doesn't mean it wasnt a smart idea. It could've.... we didn't know... we tried, it certainly didnt hurt.
You complain about this... but want to talk about our favorite episode to "liven" the game.
Lynch this scumbag plz."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Wow.... So I was iso-ing PV/making a case to get Seanald to sheep over.
I think I convinced myself he's not scum, and I was using some damn confirmation bias against him!!!
That HD vote is SHIT. He's next.
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I rarely ever care why someone votes someone Im trying to see lynched. Atleast not until after they're lynched. Why would I question/derail my own wagon?
Buzzzzah BURN. Note that bitch."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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OH and take out the note pad, and figure out a reason why you dodged my call out of your shit vote!
No explanation. Nothing to jump from your 'null' read before. Just felt the opportunity to lynch town?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 496, Human Destroyer wrote:Except you just did exactly that?
Yeah welcome to post 493, where I 180 my read on PV...
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In post 493, Benmage wrote:I think I convinced myself he's not scum
I than unvote...
How are you not following that after I dismiss the PV wagon, I have full reign to attack its shit votes.... I no longer want PV dead, why would I care if I now derail it.
f.o.l.l.o.w.i.n.g.??"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 503, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 502, Benmage wrote:I have full reign to attack its shit votes
Considering I've seen scum do exactly this, this really doesn't comfort me. (It was Mehdi in...some game, I think it was an NY one, but I wasn't in it, I just remember reading it)
I'd love to see a game where scum engineer a wagon on their partner (or hell a townie), and then opt to derail at L-2. PUHLEASE find for me."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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