Mini 1490 - Chef Mafia (Game Over!)

PeaceBringer · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:35 pm

vote prozac

just saying hi

PeaceBringer · Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:02 pm

lol-

vote kthxbye

Prozac gets it...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #16 (isolation #2) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:43 pm

In post 14, Kthxbye wrote:Awkward (scum) RVS intro and now OMGUS? Just admit your are garlic flavored scum already....

you are about the quickest draw on pointing me as scum on a joke vote... you could inquire about what the "hi" was about. Pretty much Prozac introduced himself to me elsewhere as an arrogant dip so voting him as a way to say high. Generally votes 1st inaccurate impression of me is to call me scum. You were trying to make something out of nothing and quicker then seen anyone do it in a long long long time...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #19 (isolation #3) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:04 pm

In post 17, Kthxbye wrote:That sweat...it's like you read the cookbook on how to out yourself as scum.

On to other things, who's your other partner other than d3x? Is it Amrun? Does he give you the paprika for your silly talk recipe?

tell you what, go read my history and get back to me.... mmkay... although I have to admit your schtick is beginning to get amusing...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #25 (isolation #4) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:40 am

In post 21, Kthxbye wrote:1. awkward intro
2. OMGUS
3. Self meta reference

Looks like a recipe for scum pie....need some cinnamon to round it out though...

Hell, I may have to switch my vote soon.

you are responding to me much like folks often do on first encounter...
FYI- I OMGUS a lot. I self meta a lot. Deal with it. None of it have anything to do with my being scum or not.
All that being said, less than likely to be scum imo... thanks for engaging

vote Rank

PeaceBringer · Post Post #26 (isolation #5) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:42 am

Jake coming with the humor... interesting...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #28 (isolation #6) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:50 am

In post 27, Jake from State Farm wrote:Yeah I sort of font have a choice. Why the vote change to rank?

A noun and a verb were dating but they broke up because the noun was too possessive.

not heard anything from rank. Heard enough from kthxbye for now... you know me, it is what I do...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #29 (isolation #7) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:50 am

In post 27, Jake from State Farm wrote:Yeah I sort of font have a choice. Why the vote change to rank?

A noun and a verb were dating but they broke up because the noun was too possessive.

ah posting restriction then...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #35 (isolation #8) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:45 am

vote chkflip

PeaceBringer · Post Post #36 (isolation #9) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:46 am

In post 31, Porochaz wrote:No to self meta, just no. It will be ignored.

I didn't like the tone of your MD thread hence your impression i'm not usually a dick. That said in games I don't usually suffer fools either.

you can ignore whatever you want... you can think of me whatever you want...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #39 (isolation #10) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:05 am

In post 32, d3x wrote:Vell, seence-a I leeke-a hefeeng my Fute-a, phune-a pusteeng is pretty mooch oooot ooff zee qooesshun here-a.

I theenk PB's Vegun Fute-a is guud. Bork bork bork!

I theenk iff pruzec ifer fleeps Scoom, zee CuoonterVegun Fute-a ooff PT needs a secund luuk.

I'm getteeng guud feebes frum Emroon's sereeuoos Kthx Fute-a, thuoogh I dun't perteecoolerly feel he's beeeng scoommy etm. Her secund Kthx Fute-a interests me-a greetly. Bork bork bork!

Kyoo und TT's intrunces tu zee geme-a leefe-a mooch tu be-a desured. Bork bork bork!

PB's sveetch frum RFS tu meybe-a sereeuoos beck tu RFS is bed. Bork bork bork! Ifee veet Kthx ingegeeng und heem getteeng a lessened ScoomReed oon Kthx, gueeng effter sumeune-a vhu hesn't pusted es ooppused tu pootteeng thuooghts oon uny ooff zee ecteefe-a pusters mekes me-a creenge-a.

Hmm Bork Bork!

VOTE: PeaceBringer

cringe all you want, it is what I do...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #42 (isolation #11) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:20 am

In post 40, d3x wrote:Nu, Kthx... I'm freekeeng Gurdun Remsey.

In oozeer noos, PB needs mure-a Futes. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

nice to meet you too... we should get along peechy...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #45 (isolation #12) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:58 am

In post 43, Porochaz wrote:
In post 36, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 31, Porochaz wrote:No to self meta, just no. It will be ignored.

I didn't like the tone of your MD thread hence your impression i'm not usually a dick. That said in games I don't usually suffer fools either.
you can ignore whatever you want... you can think of me whatever you want...
Right basically, if you self-meta, then you are aware of it and you can change it, thus making it null and void, if you use it as a defence I will basically say what I just said, and wonder why you are using it.

oh I am aware of what I say and why. The "self-meta" is folks initial response to me. Granted it does not have anything to do with my actual role, but it is historically what happens. An no I am not changing who I am and how I play. And it wasn't a defense but an explanation...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #46 (isolation #13) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:59 am

In post 44, Kthxbye wrote:d3x, pls stop posting like that....pls....or I'll make you eat Brussels sprouts.

Also, nobody answered my question about post restrictions and the odds that multiple town have them.

is that not a function of the mod. I know multi post restrictions has occurred in the past. I also have seen them faked. I do not see jake doing that but he could. Anyone else I don't know.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #47 (isolation #14) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:00 am

question is d3x a normal vote parker?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #50 (isolation #15) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:22 am

In post 49, d3x wrote:@PB- Ell ooff my gemes ere-a cetelugooed in my veeki. Yuoo cun check my meta iff yuoo'd leeke-a und meke-a yuoor oovn cunclooseeuns. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

simple yes or no would suffice, so a brief glance is no, so changing things up then...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #60 (isolation #16) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:20 pm

it is almost like magic, vote them and they come... whose next...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #61 (isolation #17) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:22 pm

I guess it is the slovak prince hydra..seriously multiheads and nothing yet

vote slovak prince...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #82 (isolation #18) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:54 pm

PB I quick skimmed 2 games and saw vote changes. I am not one that goes searching for meta and reading past games I find it stupid and rather get a person to share their own perspective on their play as I find it tells me more. I play the game in the moment (sure more self meta). It is what I do and it is contrary to many other players at this site.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #84 (isolation #19) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:59 pm

3 post restrictions, we need to know more about alignment issues. Clearly we have the Swedish chef. The joker and the spice conversations I don't know. Really depends on the mod. Jake so far is Jake, haven't seen anything that concerns me yet. He is being himself. I don't know anyone else and as stated I deal with now and learn as go.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #85 (isolation #20) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:00 pm

In post 82, PeaceBringer wrote:D3x I quick skimmed 2 games and saw vote changes. I am not one that goes searching for meta and reading past games I find it stupid and rather get a person to share their own perspective on their play as I find it tells me more. I play the game in the moment (sure more self meta). It is what I do and it is contrary to many other players at this site.

fmp

PeaceBringer · Post Post #87 (isolation #21) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:16 pm

In post 86, Jake from State Farm wrote:I'm the joker? I guess yeah I am. And I just finally googled my character and lol god damn I get it now.

This cheese is great-ted

it will be interesting to find out...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #96 (isolation #22) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:10 pm

3 for 3, just like magic... anyone left to check in?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #97 (isolation #23) » Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:11 pm

looks like everyone has at least checked in now...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #148 (isolation #24) » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:11 pm

In post 137, chkflip wrote:
Mod: Replace out.

Can't do it. Not even going to try.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #175 (isolation #25) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:45 am

kthxbye- it looks like you will need to claim- @ L-2

PeaceBringer · Post Post #179 (isolation #26) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:24 am

In post 176, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 174, Rank wrote:
In post 157, The Slovak Prince wrote:Tqmmy, Im pretty sure kthx is town.
Why?

In post 157, The Slovak Prince wrote:and yes we are hated so theres no excuwe to hqmmer us accidentally

In post 123, The Slovak Prince wrote:and yes, we are Hated.
Is 'Hated' a TV chef or something? I have NO idea whether this is referring to something from TV or something from other games you've played.
I believe he's claiming to be a hated townie which requires 1 less vote to lynch. I'm not sure why he felt the need to claim that though since he isn't getting run up.

sigh, early claims suck

PeaceBringer · Post Post #180 (isolation #27) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:26 am

vote new earth

PeaceBringer · Post Post #183 (isolation #28) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:08 am

In post 182, Amrun wrote:
In post 175, PeaceBringer wrote:kthxbye- it looks like you will need to claim- @ L-2
Why?

that is how we play the game and I could vote you at L-1. Here

vote Kthxbye...

I was giving you leway. You are now at claiming point.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #184 (isolation #29) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:08 am

:bangsheadonwall:

PeaceBringer · Post Post #186 (isolation #30) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:13 am

In post 185, Amrun wrote:No one should ever claim at l-2.

always give leeway from quick hammers... Always at l-2 elsewhere due to potential of quick slams. Of course the game is quicker elsewhere.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #190 (isolation #31) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:32 am

In post 188, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 187, Amrun wrote:Quickhammers are pretty frowned upon here. Quickhammer img on purpose will usually get you lynched the next day.
yet they still happen pretty frequently...

The frustrated cannibal threw up his hands.

you could also have varied dynamics that make it less than safe. Usually what I posted is a hint of claim or will vote you elsewhere. I will adapt. He now is l-1.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #192 (isolation #32) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:46 am

well now that he is at L-1 it is moot...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #207 (isolation #33) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:52 am

In post 195, d3x wrote:I egree-a thet roonneeng heem up[ fur
zee poorpuse-a ooff getteeng a Cleeem is
scoommy. Bork bork bork! Roonneeng up becoose-a he's ecteeng unrepentetly scoommy und seyeeng "d3x shuoold knoo better" is nut. Um de hur de hur de hur.

ToonKthx vuoold deffeenitely tuss hees Fute-a eruoond thees ierly, boot I feel he's tryeeng tu poosh hees Toon geme-a effter beeeng cooght. Um de hur de hur de hur. Veet hees nurmel Toon geme-a, he-a is luuse-a veet hees Futeeng, boot zeere's elveys a reesun. Bork bork bork! Hees fleeps thees geme-a hefe-a mede-a nu reel sense-a und he's nut tryeeng tu eccuoont fur zeem.

that is a load of crap, day one is all about feeling out, getting some claims, getting voting patterns, and see what comes up with more information. Any of the "waiting to see if someone does something scummy" is more often than not bull-puckey. Yes, some reactions are worthy of drawing votes. I wouldn't mind a claim here as well. Clearly we know you are going to claim swedish chef but want to hear more (

Vote d3x)

PeaceBringer · Post Post #210 (isolation #34) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:03 am

no it is not role fishing. It is how the game is played. You run someone up. You get a claim. You run someone else up get a claim. You get pressure out there and get people to make opinions. Feel free to ask Jake meta questions regarding me. Since you all frown on self-assessment and self comments. Either that or seek out your own meta conclusion with games from 2004 and 2005 here. Meanwhile I will probably return to banging head on wall.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #211 (isolation #35) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:04 am

In post 209, d3x wrote:
In post 207, PeaceBringer wrote:day one is all about feeling out, getting some claims...
Dey1 is nut und shuoold nefer be-a ebuoot getteeng Cleeems. Hmm Bork Bork!

then were you an old time no lyncher... :bangsheadreallyhardagaintswall: damnthathurts...

SIGH

PeaceBringer · Post Post #214 (isolation #36) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:17 am

In post 212, d3x wrote:I'm feene-a veet getteeng a Cleeem et L-1, boot oonce-a zee Cleeem's oooot zeere-a yuoo need tu steeck tu zee Lynch unless zeere's a demn guud reesun tu beck doon {leeke-a a Cup Cleeem}.

Btv- D1 shuoold nefer ind in a Nu Lynch. Bork bork bork!

I recognize that by and large the way I play is foreign to folks here. Used to play that way. Now find it helpful to get a claim or 2. Actually you will find my 2004-2005 play to be very much in that vein. However, play evolves and progresses. Back then I railed against the "no lynch" culture that exists. Play as you will, I will play as I will. The differences are not scummy just differences. I like to see at least 2 claims on a day one and put pressure on BGs. It adapts and pendelum swings though.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #216 (isolation #37) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:22 am

In post 215, Rank wrote:
In post 207, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 195, d3x wrote:I egree-a thet roonneeng heem up[ fur
zee poorpuse-a ooff getteeng a Cleeem is
scoommy. Bork bork bork! Roonneeng up becoose-a he's ecteeng unrepentetly scoommy und seyeeng "d3x shuoold knoo better" is nut. Um de hur de hur de hur.

ToonKthx vuoold deffeenitely tuss hees Fute-a eruoond thees ierly, boot I feel he's tryeeng tu poosh hees Toon geme-a effter beeeng cooght. Um de hur de hur de hur. Veet hees nurmel Toon geme-a, he-a is luuse-a veet hees Futeeng, boot zeere's elveys a reesun. Bork bork bork! Hees fleeps thees geme-a hefe-a mede-a nu reel sense-a und he's nut tryeeng tu eccuoont fur zeem.
that is a load of crap, day one is all about feeling out, getting some claims, getting voting patterns, and see what comes up with more information. Any of the "waiting to see if someone does something scummy" is more often than not bull-puckey. Yes, some reactions are worthy of drawing votes. I wouldn't mind a claim here as well. Clearly we know you are going to claim swedish chef but want to hear more (
Vote d3x)
This vote stinks. You aren't even accusing him of being scum. You're just disagreeing on whether or not running up the votes intentionally to get a claim is scummy and then voting for him.

Now that you've got my attention, let's take look at your ISO. Let's see... You've shown some weak efforts to get some lurkers involved, you've discussed your self meta, you've rolefished a number of times, and you've had some lame theory discussion. You aren't doing any scumhunting. Oh, and you've responded with mild hostility to everyone that has addressed you. You look REALLY scummy. I actually feel guilty for not noticing it sooner, and now I'm conflicted on how I feel about kthxbye.

VOTE: PeaceBringer

Feel free. Mighta wann check my meta though. I do what I do. What does not look like scum hunting to you is scum hunting to me. And I take offense at your saying been aggressive with any who have responded. That is blantant spin.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #218 (isolation #38) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:28 am

In post 217, Rank wrote:
In post 216, PeaceBringer wrote:And I take offense at your saying been aggressive
Mild hostility: CHECK.

pot calling kettle black... I get aggressive or not. Ask Jake...
not been that way with everyone.
FYI- I take day one's by and large less seriously as that is the "world" of play I come from where day one posting in 90% schtick. See initial 2004 and the likes of Baby Jesus and others...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #220 (isolation #39) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:34 am

here is a clue for you meta heavy. Take a look at my profile.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #221 (isolation #40) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:34 am

In post 219, Jake from State Farm wrote:I wonder how mad pb would be if I didn't vouch for his playstyle? lol

I don't really see an issue with PB's play this game. If you understand how he's playing it makes much more sense and doesn't seem scummy. PB used to be one of the better players where we played and was often NK'd. Vote changes happened way more frequently than they do on this site and their is a purpose behind it (at least there always was for me, I can't speak for PB)

@ rank - you don't have to 100% think a person is scum to vote them, there are plenty of other reasons to vote a person

Ever since my mineral extraction facility was converted to a parking lot, I've had a lot on my mine

slightly... I would wonder what the purpose was there... probably because you would be amused by it.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #224 (isolation #41) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:39 am

In post 223, Rank wrote:
In post 219, Jake from State Farm wrote:@ rank - you don't have to 100% think a person is scum to vote them, there are plenty of other reasons to vote a person
Couldn't agree more. He didn't even voice a suspicion in that post, though. THAT is what I found scummy. The other concerns I had re: PB still stand.

it is what I do... go check my meta

PeaceBringer · Post Post #227 (isolation #42) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:45 am

In post 225, Rank wrote:
In post 224, PeaceBringer wrote:it is what I do... go check my meta
I'm not interested in the meta of ANY player that is acutely aware of their meta. So, no. I'll just wait for other folks to weigh in on you.

very good, there is hope in you padawan- now the question is are you really of the dark side..

PeaceBringer · Post Post #230 (isolation #43) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:50 am

In post 228, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 223, Rank wrote:Couldn't agree more. He didn't even voice a suspicion in that post, though. THAT is what I found scummy. The other concerns I had re: PB still stand
ehh, are you sure about that? I mean yes he didn't actually say "d3 I am suspicious of you so I am going to vote you" but's quite obvious that he was suspicious of D3(the vote gave it away) and the reason why he was suspicious of him(the bolded in D3's quoted post)

Yesterday I rode my bike twice, I guess that makes me a recycler.

:uncertain: :shh:

PeaceBringer · Post Post #232 (isolation #44) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:53 am

In post 231, Maestro wrote:
In post 225, Rank wrote:
In post 224, PeaceBringer wrote:it is what I do... go check my meta
I'm not interested in the meta of ANY player that is acutely aware of their meta.
I 100% agree with this and I'm stupefied why PeaceBringer keeps harping on about his meta when nobody gives a shit.

Anyway, hi. I'll finish reading up and probably post after work.

it's what I do...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #234 (isolation #45) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:54 am

In post 232, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 231, Maestro wrote:
In post 225, Rank wrote:
In post 224, PeaceBringer wrote:it is what I do... go check my meta
I'm not interested in the meta of ANY player that is acutely aware of their meta.
I 100% agree with this and I'm stupefied why PeaceBringer keeps harping on about his meta when nobody gives a shit.

Anyway, hi. I'll finish reading up and probably post after work.
it's what I do...

I acutally think everyone should not give a shit about anyone's meta as it is meta and not pursuant to the facts of the game in the moment. But, hmm, perhaps I said too much.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #235 (isolation #46) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:55 am

quoted wrong post, lol.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #240 (isolation #47) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:52 am

In post 237, Maestro wrote:I just realized how many Hydrae there are.........

P-Edit: if you agree that meta is nigh-on worthless I'd appreciate it if you stopped using it as an explanation/defense of every single differentiated/unusual facet of your play. Clarify how you play differently, and move on. Stop being a useless broken record because it doesn't help anybody.

P-Edit after sql crash: lol, agreed

I'd p-edit referring to me? I do not recognize that as me as me and editing do not normally co-exist. I do tend to beat on things beyond necessity

PeaceBringer · Post Post #241 (isolation #48) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:55 am

In post 239, Rank wrote:
In post 234, PeaceBringer wrote:
I acutally think everyone should not give a shit about anyone's meta as it is meta and not pursuant to the facts of the game in the moment.
But, hmm, perhaps I said too much.

In post 19, PeaceBringer wrote:tell you what, go read my history and get back to me.... mmkay...

In post 25, PeaceBringer wrote:FYI- I OMGUS a lot. I self meta a lot. Deal with it.

In post 28, PeaceBringer wrote:you know me, it is what I do...

In post 39, PeaceBringer wrote:cringe all you want, it is what I do...

In post 82, PeaceBringer wrote:I play the game in the moment (sure more self meta). It is what I do and it is contrary to many other players at this site.

In post 210, PeaceBringer wrote:Feel free to ask Jake meta questions regarding me. Since you all frown on self-assessment and self comments. Either that or seek out your own meta conclusion with games from 2004 and 2005 here.

In post 214, PeaceBringer wrote:I recognize that by and large the way I play is foreign to folks here. Used to play that way. Now find it helpful to get a claim or 2. Actually you will find my 2004-2005 play to be very much in that vein.

In post 216, PeaceBringer wrote:Mighta wann check my meta though. I do what I do.

In post 218, PeaceBringer wrote:See initial 2004 and the likes of Baby Jesus and others...

In post 220, PeaceBringer wrote:here is a clue for you meta heavy. Take a look at my profile.

In post 224, PeaceBringer wrote:it is what I do... go check my meta

In post 232, PeaceBringer wrote:it's what I do...

In post 234, PeaceBringer wrote:
I acutally think everyone should not give a shit about anyone's meta as it is meta and not pursuant to the facts of the game in the moment.
But, hmm, perhaps I said too much.
So for someone who doesn't think meta is important, you sure don't STFU ABOUT IT.

Are you suggesting, with the "perhaps I said too much", that you also have a posting requirement? Is that what you're now attempting to hint at? Because right away it sounds like horseshit to me.

That was a joke- lol, as in hinted at elements of what I do. Which is at times make a subtle or not so subtle point and grind it onto ground.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #264 (isolation #49) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:39 pm

In post 259, thenewearth wrote:
In post 175, PeaceBringer wrote:kthxbye- it looks like you will need to claim- @ L-2
WHAT THE WHAT?!

In post 183, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 182, Amrun wrote:
In post 175, PeaceBringer wrote:kthxbye- it looks like you will need to claim- @ L-2
Why?
that is how we play the game and I could vote you at L-1. Here
vote Kthxbye...
I was giving you leway. You are now at claiming point.
Rolefisher :V

In post 210, PeaceBringer wrote:no it is not role fishing. It is how the game is played. You run someone up. You get a claim. You run someone else up get a claim. You get pressure out there and get people to make opinions. Feel free to ask Jake meta questions regarding me. Since you all frown on self-assessment and self comments. Either that or seek out your own meta conclusion with games from 2004 and 2005 here. Meanwhile I will probably return to banging head on wall.
No you run someone up stupidly on page 6/7/whatever. You're pretty much rolefishing.

In post 224, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 223, Rank wrote:
In post 219, Jake from State Farm wrote:@ rank - you don't have to 100% think a person is scum to vote them, there are plenty of other reasons to vote a person
Couldn't agree more. He didn't even voice a suspicion in that post, though. THAT is what I found scummy. The other concerns I had re: PB still stand.
it is what I do... go check my meta
Are you saying "CHECK MY META AND SEE THAT I DO THIS AS TOWN!!!"?

In post 226, trebuchet tabby wrote:Jake you are really confusing me this game.
Jake moved up to town. Gut feeling. Ever since he posted after me saying that I have yet to see from him. He posts as town.

Anyways

VOTE: Peacebringer

The reason I keep referencing how I play and that I don't play "mafiascum" style is BECAUSE I don't. Run me up because of it, feel free. You will be wrong. My play is SOP from where I come from. GO ahead and ding me for "Self-meta" blah blah blah. It is nonsense and that is my point. Listen to me or not. None of what you are referencing has anything to do with who is scum and who is not it is all down to play stratagem, posting strategum, game theory and countless other areas where there may be disagreement. I play how I play and I the responses are predictable. So go ahead and keep pointing your digits. You are no where near hunting scum here. You probably are one of the scum as my intuition dinged you at, will see in time. But go ahead run me up if you must. :continuesbangheadonwall:

PeaceBringer · Post Post #266 (isolation #50) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:46 pm

In post 261, trebuchet tabby wrote:In the first (townie) game, post 123 is a self-meta of sorts. Lots of fatalism in that game. It apparently dragged on terribly. He moved his vote around a fair bit on day 2 and 3 given his activity level.

In the second (scum) game post =http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... p252209267 is another sorta self-meta.

I screwed up my earlier post and listed the 2nd game twice. here's the third game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I didn't see any meta references in that game. He came off as confused a lot in that game, asking for clarification. His votes also had more reasons attached.

He complained more about lack of player activity in the townie game. The cult game he was most verbose. In the townie and scum game there were more bare votes with little or no reasoning.

This isn't enough baseline for me to feel comfortable saying "yeah he self-metas a lot". This game is significantly different from his most recent prior games.

peacebringer, do you have more recent games on another site?

we used to play at goalline blitz. Games kinda died out for about a year ago now. Downside of an MMORPG site He is a strong player, can play one way, switch off the next. I am the one "self-meta-ing" a lot because people get erect and start pointing digits at me and call me scummy for playing the way I do, which is NOT MAFIA SCUM style, period. I come from the "Werewolf" school of play that started at Footballguys and now has own private site and play manly with a lot of the same people over and over. I really enjoyed Goal-line blitz games which I played while taking a break from werewolf. FYI, I came back here after once having left over frustrating that are already returning mainly because of Jake. He will use gambits, he will fish for reactions. He will come on strong, or go mellow and smooth. Those elements aren't the tells per say. It is only day one as well. He will show himself one way or another. IMO. He is a bit calmer for sure though. It is worth watching.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #267 (isolation #51) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:48 pm

In post 258, Maestro wrote:
In post 240, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 237, Maestro wrote:I just realized how many Hydrae there are.........

P-Edit: if you agree that meta is nigh-on worthless I'd appreciate it if you stopped using it as an explanation/defense of every single differentiated/unusual facet of your play. Clarify how you play differently, and move on. Stop being a useless broken record because it doesn't help anybody.

P-Edit after sql crash: lol, agreed
I'd p-edit referring to me? I do not recognize that as me as me and editing do not normally co-exist. I do tend to beat on things beyond necessity
First P-Edit was @you, second P-Edit was @the cat Hydra talking to Jake about being reasonable.

so what on earth is P-edit? that wasn't around 2004-2006 and not seen it elsewhere.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #269 (isolation #52) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:50 pm

oh and I was saying, what I play, and what I do, I do regardless of role. it is just unadulterated ME and the style I play.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #270 (isolation #53) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:53 pm

In post 268, Maestro wrote:you're not being clear-cut or decisive in your comments of phrasing and it's annoying me

P-Edit = Preview Edit, an edit to a post made after you click "Preview" and see something new you wanna comment on

never have been, sorry... it is what I do. I don't edit, I post what I think. I often post in "segments" versus sentences. Happens more when get more worked up then when being deliberate. I also don't always post what I truly think. I play to get reactions. I watch for trends and areas voting may go. I don't share everything I think.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #275 (isolation #54) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:14 pm

In post 272, trebuchet tabby wrote:
In post 157, The Slovak Prince wrote:hell if I know Ffery, I am not home atm so I cant talk to him on skype

Mala <3

what are your guys thoughs on jake?

and yes we are hated so theres no excuwe to hqmmer us accidentally

Tqmmy, Im pretty sure kthx is town.

Amrun, hy so reactive?
The two games I played with Jake I kept reading him wrong both times. There was times I called him scum for posting "Sup". I haven't made a decision yet and still sorta discussing it with Fery.

Yeah Fery had to tell me hated townie. I thought you meant players hated you or something ._.

that is typical Jake, it is why I need more information and he probably is vice versa if he is not scum...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #276 (isolation #55) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:16 pm

In post 274, trebuchet tabby wrote:
In post 266, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 261, trebuchet tabby wrote:In the first (townie) game, post 123 is a self-meta of sorts. Lots of fatalism in that game. It apparently dragged on terribly. He moved his vote around a fair bit on day 2 and 3 given his activity level.

In the second (scum) game post =http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... p252209267 is another sorta self-meta.

I screwed up my earlier post and listed the 2nd game twice. here's the third game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I didn't see any meta references in that game. He came off as confused a lot in that game, asking for clarification. His votes also had more reasons attached.

He complained more about lack of player activity in the townie game. The cult game he was most verbose. In the townie and scum game there were more bare votes with little or no reasoning.

This isn't enough baseline for me to feel comfortable saying "yeah he self-metas a lot". This game is significantly different from his most recent prior games.

peacebringer, do you have more recent games on another site?
we used to play at goalline blitz. Games kinda died out for about a year ago now. Downside of an MMORPG site He is a strong player, can play one way, switch off the next. I am the one "self-meta-ing" a lot because people get erect and start pointing digits at me and call me scummy for playing the way I do, which is NOT MAFIA SCUM style, period. I come from the "Werewolf" school of play that started at Footballguys and now has own private site and play manly with a lot of the same people over and over. I really enjoyed Goal-line blitz games which I played while taking a break from werewolf.
I also learned a different style of play and a different game format. I also played games with the same 50-70 people game after game for a few years. I'm still experimenting to find some optimal styles for this environment. Playing games with a lot of people I don't know well is quite challenging, and has required the develoipment of some different skills.

FYI, I came back here after once having left over frustrating that are already returning mainly because of Jake. He will use gambits, he will fish for reactions. He will come on strong, or go mellow and smooth. Those elements aren't the tells per say. It is only day one as well. He will show himself one way or another. IMO. He is a bit calmer for sure though. It is worth watching.
Indeed.

In post 269, PeaceBringer wrote:oh and I was saying, what I play, and what I do, I do regardless of role. it is just unadulterated ME and the style I play.
Even a short meta dive of your games here in the past indicate some differences in your play style depending on your role. I will look at some more old games to see what sort of model I can put together, but I don't anticipate your old meta will be all that useful.

And that's ok. There's a lot to be gained from watching your play here and now, and interacting with you here and now.

I know there are some, some I know, some I don't. There are some folks that can nail me quick when I am scum. I am not going to indicate what I am aware of doing when I am scum. And sure, some things have changed, some things the same.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #278 (isolation #56) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:32 pm

In post 277, Jake from State Farm wrote:I'm definitely playing it low key, especially day 1 cause I have been recently offended to the point I almost quit the site again. It's not the first time someone said something, it's the 3rd. I'm not sure why people have to be so hurtful when critiquing my play, but I'm not one of those people who can ignore things like that. It's funny, I can curse like a sailor and call people idiots, morons, etc but I don't think I would ever take it so far as people have with me.

So I'm taking it easy soaking it in and I'm not going to try and take the lead I perform much better once we have flips, especially scum flips.

A perfectly spherical pumpkin makes good pi

I can attest to Jake having those reactions by and large and can understand that, boy can I understand that.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #280 (isolation #57) » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:49 pm

In post 279, Maestro wrote:^ buddying noted

lol- too funny...we are buddies so to speak, he is the reason I came back here to play. Period. That statement is more global to past issues I had and trying again here and encounter some similar initial frustrations already. But kudos my friend. You picked up on that. That would be said regardless of role.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #292 (isolation #58) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:17 am

so right now am reading kthxbye town and believe his claim...
my guess is 1 scum in the 4 voting him right now.
If folks do not think d3x is scum then amrun, maestro or jake...
for me that means a vote of amrun or maestro...

I also suspect that there is at least 1 BG in the NV segment- TT, Pyro, pro, and kyth-
at least one bg amidst Rank/NE
kyu- leaning town
Slovak- uncertain

PeaceBringer · Post Post #295 (isolation #59) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:56 am

BG =bad guy yes

PeaceBringer · Post Post #299 (isolation #60) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:04 pm

wait, I Have to reread his claim... he is claiming not able to be protected?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #301 (isolation #61) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:08 pm

that actually makes so sense... it would not be proveable... what would the point be to have such a role in this game multi cops and docs? He selling it as not targetable and all... skimmed right over that...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #302 (isolation #62) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:09 pm

In post 297, The Slovak Prince wrote:Holy fuck C, did you guys really draw scum?

also, Jake what's wrong with lists of reads?

mara I take it? what makes you think they are scum?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #303 (isolation #63) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:11 pm

I didn't realize there was a "macho" role and just kind glazed over that bit...I saw stuff about not being targetted but didn't pay it much mind

PeaceBringer · Post Post #320 (isolation #64) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:25 pm

In post 311, The Slovak Prince wrote:
In post 302, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 297, The Slovak Prince wrote:Holy fuck C, did you guys really draw scum?

also, Jake what's wrong with lists of reads?
mara I take it? what makes you think they are scum?
>.>

How you know it's me is kiiinnnnddaa Creepy. I'd expect it from people who have know me a little better

though, tone of their posts

complete different than that posts of the other guy, it was clearly a different person...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #323 (isolation #65) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:28 pm

In post 318, Cabd wrote:Wooo town Mara! So glad to personally confirm that. Totally worth having to out the other info.

forget to log in as your hydra...lol

PeaceBringer · Post Post #325 (isolation #66) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:31 pm

btw mara, did you realize your other half already claimed hated. So we have a hated townie, I guess macho could fit but really don't make sense but really sucky scum claim. Sticking with my thoughts there...

vote new earth

, that is a direction I prefer

PeaceBringer · Post Post #326 (isolation #67) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:33 pm

In post 324, Kyubey wrote:
In post 318, Cabd wrote:Wooo town Mara! So glad to personally confirm that. Totally worth having to out the other info.
My bad. This was me, obviously.

Anyways mara, you're totally right. That's not something that somebody that doesn't know you says. It's something that somebody says when they're familiar with you.... or they have a subwoofer with somebody that knows you, minus the sub part.

um, actually it had nothing to do with being your neighbor. Why you decided to out that is beyond me... It was completely different tone than the guy that outed that they were hated and referenced Gordon Ramsey.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #328 (isolation #68) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:37 pm

In post 327, Kyubey wrote:Or you could totally ruin an otherwise targeted breadcrumb...

blatantly obvious crumb...which anyone should pick up on.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #329 (isolation #69) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:39 pm

so apparently you assumed that I am not astute enough to notice a difference in tone and recognize it was 2nd part of a head when the posts were way different than the other ones from the hydra... so assume it was inside info? seriously. :sigh:

PeaceBringer · Post Post #330 (isolation #70) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:40 pm

should have probably went to the QT but I react first more often than note...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #333 (isolation #71) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:48 pm

In post 331, The Slovak Prince wrote:Umm...

I claimed hated, not my other half

Nice try in deciphering us though!

okay, then so less freaked out. That post and your more recent were quite different. oh well...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #336 (isolation #72) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:51 pm

In post 334, The Slovak Prince wrote:Hmm...

Neighborhood, there's scum between you two isn't there?

if it is, it is the hydra, but it is not me...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #340 (isolation #73) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:53 pm

oh maybe I didn't mess up the read. The asking to talk to Tammy was a "hated" posted I skimmed over. The other one with the messed up no excuse to hammer is the partner, no?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #341 (isolation #74) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:54 pm

In post 337, The Slovak Prince wrote:...

VOTE: PB

I like this one better I think

lol- yup, your town...lol

PeaceBringer · Post Post #343 (isolation #75) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:55 pm

actually I don't think we would have the communication and reactivity muck up causing us to point out the neighbor if either one of us was scum...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #344 (isolation #76) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:57 pm

In post 342, Amrun wrote:Tammy, you need to take a step back because you're having some tone issues.

Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying on d3x is so town, but an ellipsis doesn't actually imply separation. Grammatically, it implies that those two things are connected. I wasn't sure which way you meant it, so I clarified just in case.

As for the scumread thing, you're ignoring context. Scum lean is more accurate, but the point you were making is that the reasoning is poor. The post itself implies that the reasoning is poor. That's what "gun to my head" means: it's not a real reason, but if I had a gun to my head and was forced to say scum/town, I would say scum despite the weak reasoning. My post to you responding about it was, I guess, a poor excuse for a joke, joking about frustrating you. Regardless, you were acting like I'd just spontaneously confessed a full scum read on you when that clearly wasn't the case. I also never implied your play is "full of scum tells," but that's not an insult even if I had. We've talked about this before. You react strongly to suspicion on you, which SOME people do only when they're scum but you tend to do as either alignment. My play has been described as "frolicking in a field of mafiascum scum tells" in the past. Playstyle things aren't insults and never have been or never will be.

I still don't understand what you're saying about the whole jake thing. In my mind, what I've said makes perfect sense. The joke had nothing to do with my vote in the sense that it was a joke. The words behind the joke I found scummy. Policy lynches in and of themselves are not scummy. Policy lynches can be proposed in a scummy way.

I will drive you nuts, I use an ellipsis to signify the end of a thought segment...
I react a lot...
go Vikings...
peachy...
woulda, coulda be my neighbor

PeaceBringer · Post Post #349 (isolation #77) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:09 pm

In post 347, The Slovak Prince wrote:
In post 336, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 334, The Slovak Prince wrote:Hmm...

Neighborhood, there's scum between you two isn't there?
if it is, it is the hydra, but it is not me...

I don't like this as an answer to my question, C's one is alot more better, and alot more humorous and it actually makes him look town. This however, is trying to hide the fact that he does know that there is scum within the neighbors

true story, my first thought was this was masonry and the mod did point out it was a neighborhood not masonry and masonry around her means guaranteed town. I had my reasons for suspected C but am less concerned now based on reaction. How you get from my sentence that I am "hiding" the potential is a head scratcher to me.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #350 (isolation #78) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:10 pm

In post 348, The Slovak Prince wrote:
In post 340, PeaceBringer wrote:oh maybe I didn't mess up the read. The asking to talk to Tammy was a "hated" posted I skimmed over. The other one with the messed up no excuse to hammer is the partner, no?
all Venny did was make the first two posts from this account, talk about Chk and them call that vote serious, and promise a case on it. a case that I'm still waiting on, and talks about Ramsey

okay, you fooled me then...lol

PeaceBringer · Post Post #357 (isolation #79) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:44 pm

oh and bert, I think new earth is scummy...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #359 (isolation #80) » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:04 pm

In post 357, PeaceBringer wrote:oh and bert, I think new earth is scummy...

lol, crossing games in my mind there...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #385 (isolation #81) » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:30 pm

In post 384, thenewearth wrote:It seems to me peacebringer wanted to hide behind an initial voter so that he wouldn't get some heat.

And to justify a vote via the other person's reasons

LOL, that is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time... I am a heat generator, period...lol

PeaceBringer · Post Post #386 (isolation #82) » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:32 pm

In post 383, thenewearth wrote:
In post 325, PeaceBringer wrote:btw mara, did you realize your other half already claimed hated. So we have a hated townie, I guess macho could fit but really don't make sense but really sucky scum claim. Sticking with my thoughts there...

vote new earth
, that is a direction I prefer
Reasons being?

If pyro hasn't voted for me then I feel that you won't vote either.

If "I" was the direction you preffered, then you would have voted me in the first place?

Why haven't you?

you are passive, staying disengaged, lurker type that is trying to set aside. I voted you well before pryo did and you have said several times I think you are scummy...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #394 (isolation #83) » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:07 pm

willing to consider that Jake... any thoughts on new earth?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #410 (isolation #84) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:43 am

In post 392, trebuchet tabby wrote:
In post 113, Porochaz wrote:Yeah,
playing without explaining reasoning does not sit well with me. Im one of these annoying players who needs reasoning.
If you don't give it then what we are basically doing is playing a guessing game. Which I guess is what we are doing but I believe that we should be able to logically work out who is scum, by actually posting properly, making posts that are just "X is probably Y" removes that element and it becomes a crapshoot. This, unless they are terrible or unlucky, benefits scum.

It depends on how far this "town block" goes. It worries me that its still being mentioned after RVS.
And yet you didn't make any noise about Jake's reason-free vote?

missed that, essentially me and prozac are not likely to get along then.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #418 (isolation #85) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:29 am

In post 417, Porochaz wrote:That is a ridiculous no of posts in a row, some of which say essentially nothing. Please stop it.

you will hate me for sure...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #420 (isolation #86) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:43 am

In post 419, Jake from State Farm wrote:Oh peace, you asked me about new earth? I have him as mildly scummy. He made comments about me and when I asked him to clarify what he meant, he instead called me town and moved on. I don't see why he would ignore it, especially when it was what he was using to call me scummy. I'm ok with votes on him but this chk/maestro slot is confirmed scum at this point.

Old skiers never die, they just go downhill

fair enough, NE can be dealt with another point...

vote chkflp/maestro/elyse

PeaceBringer · Post Post #422 (isolation #87) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:02 am

else- early claim is a claim before claiming point.
generally it is get a run up and a claim, get another one and sort it out.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #432 (isolation #88) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:06 am

hmm scum on scum...

vote New Earth

I can really go one way or other here

PeaceBringer · Post Post #445 (isolation #89) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:49 am

d3x please keep your statements short, that is too much to decipher in 439

PeaceBringer · Post Post #450 (isolation #90) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:01 pm

In post 446, d3x wrote:Teke-a it a smell peeece-a et a teeme-a. Iech is a deefffferent secshun.

Sumeteemes I'm oonly eble-a tu pust oonce-a a dey oor ifery oozeer dey. Bork bork bork! Iff I hefe-a a lut tu respund tu, I'm nut gueeng tu breek it up und clootter zee threed. Bork bork bork! I preffer pusteeng in a seengle-a bluck es ooppused tu 5 oor 6 cunsecooteefe-a pusts. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

well then you will be largely ignored imo

PeaceBringer · Post Post #463 (isolation #91) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:23 pm

LOL, you can find a # of ways to vote me any given game, any give day. NE.
I am not, nor ever have been a read/tell player. (explanatory)
Everything you describe TNE you can describe in any game I play.
Nice summing up of what I do in any given game though. Kudos.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #465 (isolation #92) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:30 pm

for the curious- sample page from where I come from-

Spoiler:

PeaceBringer · Post Post #466 (isolation #93) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:31 pm

ugly read/format though... have fun with it...lol

PeaceBringer · Post Post #470 (isolation #94) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:57 pm

In post 467, Elyse wrote:I think chk replacing out is a town tell if anything. As scum, why would he care about an annoying post restriction if it hurts town anyway?

But I don't like the idea of "lynching kthx before LyLo" when we should be trying to avoid LyLo. I'd rather lynch a scummy player right now than a player who's probably town just to avoid something we might not even come to.

Also, PB, do you honestly expect anyone to read through that massive quote wall? What is it supposed to do?

Not really...more a passive aggressive tweak... someone will try and sort through it though...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #474 (isolation #95) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:15 pm

vote elyse...

TNE is probably scum also...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #510 (isolation #96) » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:33 am

vote elyse

... one or other...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #538 (isolation #97) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:35 am

vote TNE

a compulsive bus driver... well we are best rid of that perhaps...
Jake- yah missed buddy... so strike one...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #539 (isolation #98) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:37 am

so what would happen if a bus driver targeted a macho as that is not a protection role. I do not know that those 2 roles belong in same game... thoughts?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #544 (isolation #99) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:42 am

In post 540, Kyubey wrote:Macho is a passive role modifier, bus driver would not even interact with it.

I realize it wouldn't touch the action, I am asking would it make sense to have those 2 roles in the same game. As Macho cannot be protected but who is targeted is altered by a bus...
I guess it could as it could cause some hijinks.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #547 (isolation #100) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:43 am

In post 541, Kthxbye wrote:Just over 4 days left and this is where we are at.

thenewearth (1) - PeaceBringer
Amrun (1) - Jake from State Farm

Not Voting (12): Porochaz, Kyubey, Rank, thenewearth, Pyrotechnics, d3x, Amrun, The Slovak Prince, trebuchet tabby, Kthxbye

Get in here and post/vote people. I would suggest limiting votes and wagons to 1 of the following for today. Does anyone disagree with the logic and/or odds of 1 scum on the Elyse wagon.

Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer, Kthxbye

If there is, It would most likely be you. As I know I am not. Slovak prince is reported to be not. Jake he could perhaps be bad, but wouldn't go there today. SO that leaves you.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #564 (isolation #101) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:33 pm

In post 552, Kthxbye wrote:Those who had voted for my mis-lynch - d3x,
Rank
, Amrun,
Jake from State Farm
,
Elyse
,
Porochaz
,
PeaceBringer

Those who had voted for Elyse's mis-lynch -
Jake from State Farm
, The Slovak Prince,
PeaceBringer
, trebuchet tabby,
Porochaz
, (
Rank
)

4 players bolded (voted both town wagons), 1 of them is 99% likely town. That leaves Jake, Poro, and PB. Lynch PB imo.

flawed anaylsis... really beginning to think you are scummy...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #565 (isolation #102) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:36 pm

In post 559, Porochaz wrote:
In post 450, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 446, d3x wrote:Teke-a it a smell peeece-a et a teeme-a. Iech is a deefffferent secshun.

Sumeteemes I'm oonly eble-a tu pust oonce-a a dey oor ifery oozeer dey. Bork bork bork! Iff I hefe-a a lut tu respund tu, I'm nut gueeng tu breek it up und clootter zee threed. Bork bork bork! I preffer pusteeng in a seengle-a bluck es ooppused tu 5 oor 6 cunsecooteefe-a pusts. Um gesh dee bork, bork!
well then you will be largely ignored imo
Lulz I was thinking the opposite of pyros great many posts in a row that were largely useless anyway.

In post 462, thenewearth wrote:
Good case.
In post 463, PeaceBringer wrote:
Terrible response.

And it was a case that you could have answered properly as well.

vote peace

In post 470, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 467, Elyse wrote:I think chk replacing out is a town tell if anything. As scum, why would he care about an annoying post restriction if it hurts town anyway?

But I don't like the idea of "lynching kthx before LyLo" when we should be trying to avoid LyLo. I'd rather lynch a scummy player right now than a player who's probably town just to avoid something we might not even come to.

Also, PB, do you honestly expect anyone to read through that massive quote wall? What is it supposed to do?
Not really...more a passive aggressive tweak... someone will try and sort through it though...

well then you will be largely ignored imo

In post 552, Kthxbye wrote:Those who had voted for my mis-lynch - d3x,
Rank
, Amrun,
Jake from State Farm
,
Elyse
,
Porochaz
,
PeaceBringer

Those who had voted for Elyse's mis-lynch -
Jake from State Farm
, The Slovak Prince,
PeaceBringer
, trebuchet tabby,
Porochaz
, (
Rank
)

4 players bolded (voted both town wagons), 1 of them is 99% likely town. That leaves Jake, Poro, and PB. Lynch PB imo.
Im not particularly happy with this VCA,

Kthxbye (5) - d3x, Rank, Amrun, chkflip, Jake from State Farm

That was your largest wagon at least according to vote counts. I was on your wagon later.

When Elyse was killed

Elyse (3) - Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer, T.T. (rank killed her). I was on Elyse or chk a lot earlier.

In the first instance, I was on your lynch after the main push had passed, so I guess there is justification for putting me on there. I was never on an Elyse mis-lynch though. I had voted for chk, but nowhere does that constitute anything other than a vote and I certainly wasn't on Elyse and I wouldnt have been either but thats by the by now.

I am still completely not happy with you. I am just slightly more unhappy with Peace at the moment.

Its a sad kill, I love bus-drivers...

not unexpected as you and me are oil and water...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #566 (isolation #103) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:49 pm

also gotta love Prozac criticizing my response to a digit pointed my way as "not proper" when what I stated is facts and I don't get into the quote mining, tit for tat stuff that goes on here. I play how I play, if I get run up with it, fine, I am not concerned about that. TNE only engagement in this game BTW has been to OMGUS digit pointing as I continue to point in his direction.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #567 (isolation #104) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:02 pm

Tell me this, Prozac, TNE, and Kthx... so you think my reaction to Kyuby is a scummy one. That I would assume is reaching out for a "neighbor" crumb was obvious and not sit back and watch it play out. See, the things being pointed at are not behaviors that are ones necessarily engaged in by scum. Sure, do scum do it, maybe but if you factor in the over all response and play you can choose to spin it as scummy, or you can examine further.

Kthx, if you are in fact telling the truth and not purposefully pulling out a distorted segment and claiming vote analysis on it. It is picking a narrow segment without even the full context of those votes. Now I am fairly certain that one of the 3 voting me right now is scum. I consider Prozac as reacting to me for being the ying to his yang. Kth has already claimed and TNE is one I have consider scummy for some time. Now I am surprised that Jake jumped off Elyse to Amrun and before could really sort it out the day vig killed elyse.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #594 (isolation #105) » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:14 am

Jake I am starting to become concerned... you acknowledged that TNE may be scum but you have gone all different sorts of direction... you clearing TNE tell me why and assure me you are not scum...
just a concern. RIght now either run up TNE or lynch the VT macho as I don't trust KT's play lately.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #595 (isolation #106) » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:16 am

In post 583, Porochaz wrote:
In post 566, PeaceBringer wrote:also gotta love Prozac criticizing my response to a digit pointed my way as "not proper" when what I stated is facts and I don't get into the quote mining, tit for tat stuff that goes on here. I play how I play, if I get run up with it, fine, I am not concerned about that. TNE only engagement in this game BTW has been to OMGUS digit pointing as I continue to point in his direction.

exactly my fricking point- cannot see past the difference I take it, so you really are not a good player then... will see. Weak sauce is all you brought.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #600 (isolation #107) » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:03 am

In post 596, Porochaz wrote:yarn... self meta yawn...

means nothing... relying on that is stupid... yet your too stubborn to actually make a defence... sigh.

oh bullshit, you are too blinded by the personality differences between you and me and your case is only that. It is lazy to dismiss something as "self meta" hell, you can handily dismiss any defense as "self meta. " And it is not self-meta to point out there are differences. And since you have no prior exposure to me and no understanding of the nature of how I play which what I explained. I am a reaction, intutuion based player. Where I get logical is once we get claims, get vote counts and can look at voting. Anything else is my looking at tone, consistentcy, and other elements. Something I do a decent job at. All this blah blah blah noise of making "cases" by quote mining and other things to make a person "appear" scummy would be laughed at and summarily lynched. (The point of the passive aggressive tweak, if you slog through it you would see that posts are short and none of the "blah blah blah" posting that goes on here). Where I come from Day one is heavy schtick. In fact most of the game still consists of heavy stick and frequent one liners. People rarely explain their votes. Often what you get is they are scum. See people where I come from value there information and "tell reads" and do not announce it to public as once it is out there it becomes less than useful. So your pointing at me is essentially for being the ying to your yang and the exact opposite. Nothing has been game related. Oh, and please explain your perception of my interactions on the "neighbor outing" and delineate why you think that is a scum reaction. You have been lazy, unable to get past differences, and cherry picking what to point at because you have an issue with me. So either you are scum or just a jerk. Period.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #601 (isolation #108) » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:08 am

In post 597, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 594, PeaceBringer wrote:Jake I am starting to become concerned... you acknowledged that TNE may be scum but you have gone all different sorts of direction... you clearing TNE tell me why and assure me you are not scum...
just a concern. RIght now either run up TNE or lynch the VT macho as I don't trust KT's play lately.
i'm not concerned about you being concerned. I said TNE was mildly scummy, I didn't say he may be scum. imo Amrun and tabby stand out because they aren't playing how I know them to play as town. That to me stands out more than the minor issue I had with TNE

I certainly am not trying to clear TNE but in the big picture I am less worried about that slot. I'd appreciate it if you don't tell me what to do either, I do what I want and don't really care if you approve of it or not.

What kind of flooring do alligator hunters use? Reptiles!

I would be shocked if you did. That wasn't meant to tell you what to do, that is my perspective. TNE or lycnh KT. You do what you do, I don't understand it. I got nothing on Amrun and Tabby. I followed your thoughts on elyse and now got digits pointing at me from it.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #605 (isolation #109) » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:01 am

In post 603, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 601, PeaceBringer wrote:I followed your thoughts on elyse and now got digits pointing at me from it.
and? If you have done nothing wrong who cares if people FOS you. Defend yourself as best as you can and move on.

When Italian chefs die they become a pizza history.

yeah, I get that... you know me though... you may be onto something with amrun...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #607 (isolation #110) » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:10 am

In post 602, Amrun wrote:
In post 600, PeaceBringer wrote:oh bullshit, you are too blinded by the personality differences between you and me and your case is only that
You're accusing Poro of attacking your playstyle, but your defenses are not concerned with your alignment. You're discrediting his attacks without anything substantial to back it up. Your defense is "this is null" rather than "I am town," and I think that's telling.

VOTE: PeaceBringer

it is exactly what he is doing. My alignment is town. I don't go around shouting, oh I am town cause I did this and that that seem to be part and parcel to the way thigns go around here. Such nonesense is that. But if you must, the biggest town cred on

DAY FREAKING ONE,

is the reaction to Kyub and the neighborhood outing including my discussion of initial reaction of thinking it was mason. Feel free to run me all the way up though. But it is interesting to note that you here AMRUN yup on here to push momentum away from you. THat is the only realy reason for you vote here. THe rest is popy cock. ANd yes, the argumentation is popycock and null. It has no value other than getting others to jump on.

unvote, vote Amrun

TNE will again have to wait...

Let me ask you this, who is more likely to be on a mis-lynch on day one. SCum or Town? Town knows by and large who is who and pointing out who is such by and large is often done by scum. scum also don't necessarily jump from one person to next. We also do not know that Kthx is as claimed. His use of that was sketchy. I also find it very interesting how hard it is to get anyone to look at TNE as scum.
Thesre the facts, I am trying to sort out who and who is not scum. PEriod. I do it the way I do it so feel free to run up to claim and will see who was chainsawing or defelcting on to me if we get there.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #608 (isolation #111) » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:12 am

In post 606, Amrun wrote:So all of a sudden I vote you and he "may be onto something" about me when you don't even RESPOND to my vote.

Yeah, Ph wagon is the best wagon.

go for it... you vote for me is in whole # 4, scummy slot to be. Plenty of deflecting going on. Run me up. Go fo r it.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #611 (isolation #112) » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:57 am

In post 609, Amrun wrote:No slots are inherently scummier than other slots.

no not inherently, but here, 4 is a tipping point with the # It takes to get to lynch. It effectively establishese the wagon. Town may do it. It is note worthy as well that the only thing you pick on in my post, is "a spot is not inherently scummy" which by and large is accurate, but when you take into account behaviors and you take into account the play occuring, it is just one element. In particular, poor for you, as you have had a digits pointed your way. So you jump on, throw out some blah blah blah about my so called behavior in the game and presto here we are. FYI- the posting elements have changed quite a bit since I left. Before folks barely said a word. Now it seems in a lot of cases it is over kill and over explanation and dependent of who can present to most convinving fallacious arguement. The arguement against me is behavor x, y, and z exist so therefore scum do this is faulty as it ignores the context of the player, in this case me. And there is not a lack of content, it does exist. If that content was examined, while things have changed with me in the years, the behaviors referenced do not. So it is null. It seems even that you are prodding to see if I engage in a "trust tell" and proclaim I only "act this way" when town. That is real sketchy bait right there. But keep it up Amrun, you will expose your self further.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #612 (isolation #113) » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:59 am

In post 606, Amrun wrote:So all of a sudden I vote you and he "may be onto something" about me when you don't even RESPOND to my vote.

Yeah, Ph wagon is the best wagon.

oh an on this lovely post. I responded to jake real quick, as that was a simple post. Responding to you and your vote required more words.

PeaceBringer · Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:12 am

See amrun, a read of your play is quit interesting. You start out buddying up to me with slamming on a vote out of blue and criticized his random vote. You continued to do so. Then you went and through random crap at the hydra with tammy. You throw FOS here and there including TNE. Yet, you do not follow up your FOS. You make comments on others posting. Throw in a random declaration of someone being town. Chastise khtx on his poor vote analysis. Yet, then without any real examination procalim PB a good place to vote at a time when it hits the tipping point and you have some pressure from Jake. Mild but you do. It is a far stronger case at this point then the case on me or anyone else so far on this day one.

PeaceBringer · Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:45 am

In post 614, Porochaz wrote:STOP SAYING FUCKING TAMMY!!! I DONT KNOW WHO THAT IS! IF THERE IS A HYDRA IN THE GAME USE THE FUCKING HYDRA NAME OTHERWISE THERE IS NO POINT!!! ITS MAKING THIS GAME HARDER TO REREAD BY MASSES!

well just reacting to who is what and what was said. The hydra with Tammy is pyro... I had to look it up for what I was talking about had nothing to do with her and everything to do with Amrun's behavior.

PeaceBringer · Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:34 pm

All following quotes are from Prozac:

Neighbour means absolutely nothing in any situation. You blatantly outing it, after what was at least some effort to keep it quiet, well, what town reason is there for doing that?

It is not about the neighbor, it is about taking a post of someone else who viewed as a crumb and reacting to its as an outing. You think if I were scum I would react in such a manner, seriously? You think I am a noob to have such a reaction. Now that blantant crumb that stood out to me like a Red Neon sign resulted in a WTF reaction. That is it. You can argue null on it perhaps and only because you do not know me. THat was a genuine response.

Yep and a kind of strawman on this page too.

I take the strawman you are suggesting is that I narrowed down your arguement to actions I do as playing the game. Correct. What you need me to break it down to specific complaints. YOu don't have one, really, other than things I do playing the game which have been all things you have stated you hate. Period. That is what I am referring to, so true to form, you vote what you hate. It has nothing to do with my scumminess.

I have had interactions with you in one thread out of this, so you think Ive brought in outside influences into the game,

which really is pointless and nothing to do with my response other than to file the piece of meta on how you respond to me. This has carried out in your reactions in this game. Labeling whatever I do as scummy, period. No examining anything further, just passively dismiss it. You are not finding scum. So either you are blinded by personality differences or you are yourself scum.

here's the thing, I have almost certainly argued with Amrun outwith of games, Ive certainly disagreed with her opinion on occasion in discussion threads but guess what, I think she's town. As someone who I have known longer and disagreed with more, do you think I would be voting her on the basis of your thoughts?

at the point is? did I ask you to vote amrun on the basis of my thoughts. Right there you set up an arguement to never listen to me and engage in fallacious argument of "I know better than you do" Do what you will with amrun. She jumped to my #1 suspect based on her reactions to me and looking closer to her interactions in thread. I don't give a whit if I agree with you.

I tell you what I am bored of, because yep, I can be a jerk. I am bored senseless of your attitude, the Yamichan attitude of "he doesn't like me, he is picking on me", guess what Im not.

now I have an attitude and you are setting up a straw man of the essence of my posts. What I actually said is the natural tendency of people when they first encounter me is to consider me scummy.

Anything that bears similarity to the phrases "On the site I play on" and "Oh but if you look at my other games" makes me want to go to sleep, I couldn't give a rats ass. Don't feel hard done to it's not you, I have said "self meta = no meta" in countless games.

yet in this game you have only pointed at me for such behavior. And by and a large you make it so you can dismiss what anyone says of there behavor.

Go into MD, the phrase "play is probably quite different to what your used to" is used a lot. Your use of these arguments constantly to pass off scummy play is what is making me vote you.

yet, you blanantly refuse to check if my behavior is scummy in relation to my play or not. YOu just react to things liek random votes, fishing, intution, random reaction checking

The fact that you didn't even attempt to make a response to what was a solid but easily defence is why Im voting for you.

the list was one I found boring and not worthy of responding to and responed in the way I do. YOu want long drawn out quote mining and blah blah blah blah blah. Not me. The fact that it was clearly an OMGUS really did not warrant my time. NOt I am taking for mor etime with your and amrun than TNE as there is nothing worth resonding to with THNE. Period.

What Im not voting you for is the fact that your reintroduction to this site rubbed me the wrong way. If you hadn't made a thing about it, I would have forgotten it completely, I just don't care that much.

the only real reference to it was the inital schtick/joking about how we wouldn't get along, then you come in all smary anholier than though saying you hate this, you hate that oh that play is scummy, self meta waa waaa waaa bascially criticizing anything I do period. Period. Must I quote mine and find them all for you... seriously. Take a good har look at yoursle bucko if you are not scum for you are doing exactly what I said, reacting to personality, maybe displaying some holier then thou pride and arrogance and setting self up as a great dictator as to how folks should play the game. And well if you are scum, then carry one.

PeaceBringer · Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:39 pm

In post 619, Amrun wrote:
In post 613, PeaceBringer wrote:See amrun, a read of your play is quit interesting. You start out buddying up to me with slamming on a vote out of blue and criticized his random vote. You continued to do so. Then you went and through random crap at the hydra with tammy. You throw FOS here and there including TNE. Yet, you do not follow up your FOS. You make comments on others posting. Throw in a random declaration of someone being town. Chastise khtx on his poor vote analysis. Yet, then without any real examination procalim PB a good place to vote at a time when it hits the tipping point and you have some pressure from Jake. Mild but you do. It is a far stronger case at this point then the case on me or anyone else so far on this day one.
Voting for someone who is RVS voting you is not "buddying." I'm soooo tired of hearing this term misused. I voted kthx because I had a scumread on him. TNE - valid, but I've looked at TNE's games and that slot is scummy and lurky no matter WHAT, and doesn't respond to much of anything, so I'm leaving it alone for now and seeing if context makes the slot clearer. I've examined plenty, and "random posts on others..." Guess what? That's playing the game. I don't post everything I think about a game. I have no pressure on me that I feel threatened by, or that anyone WOULD feel significantly threatened by.

There, now that that's done, "the case on you is stronger than the case on me" is a really scum-oriented way of thinking about vote placement and what you're doing in the game.

no it wasn't the vote, it was the reaction, and it was suck up to the new guy by jumping on a RVS and push the train. Oh, and now you are saying you are doing exactly what I have said, playing the game. You pushing me into wagon territory is exactly what it looks like, a calculated action that oyu think you can get away with from certain people. I don't buy that you are not concerned about Jack's digits in your face. And now you claim, um, dismiss TNE now cause he is always scummy. This after you listing sever people making accusations but not voting. NOw claim it as play yet those who know you have said, nope not your town play.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #639 (isolation #118) » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:57 pm

In post 633, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 628, Pyrotechnics wrote:Jake - Is peacebringer capable of faking that emotion as scum?
I am currently on the other site right now trying to find games he played and got lynched. It's not as easy to find like here so it could take a while. tbh I can't remember if I have ever
seen him be emotional.

If you miss a class at beauty school you'll need a makeup session

seriously, we had some knock down drag out back and forth. Of course that is all drips in bucket compared to what goes on here now.
Also, Jake you didn't think you were better than me but better than everybody. Period.

As to emotion, I certainly have tried to "fake" emotion. Cannot recall if got away with it or not. Usually you can get a grasp if someone is real or contrived. Also, the more worked up I am the less likely I am to type in complete sentences and end up with stream of consciousness, type in though stream segments that are harder to understand. I tried to do it coherently. Guess I missed. The site gets a tad annoying with longer posts if trying to do them within forum.

PeaceBringer · Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:29 am

In post 646, Porochaz wrote:
at the point is? did I ask you to vote amrun on the basis of my thoughts. Right there you set up an arguement to never listen to me and engage in fallacious argument of "I know better than you do" Do what you will with amrun. She jumped to my #1 suspect based on her reactions to me and looking closer to her interactions in thread. I don't give a whit if I agree with you.
Just as a quick example...

My quote was in relation to the fact your feeling picked on and that I am using outside influences in this game. The point in my whole post, is that Im not and was using a comparison to illustrate that. Nothing more. I wasnt referring to your case on her there.

Nowhere in the whole post do I say I wont listen to your posts.
Im annoyed that you think you can pass off scummy play as "It's my meta" (in a long drawn out whine)

However it just means I have to put up with your posts and hope at some point you post something useful.

As of yet though... meh.

But Im not ignoring you, the majority of my time is spent on you!

"feeling picked on" is a projection. It is a fact that people have a knee jerk negative response to me that leads to calling me "scummy" upon first encounter. Now your argument is, oh I a may have been fallacious in my response but her, I was making a point and not using a "comparision" comprised outside influences. In other words, you are quickly dismissing that you are reacting to me based on your perception of me and my words. Ultimately that is what we all do. I did not say you are using outside "influences" I am saying you are reacting to personality and that I a fact the polar opposite of you. I made no reference to whether or not you would "listen to me." And now you take my whole response and break it down to a strawman. Please delineate exactly what it is about my play that is things that scum would do in the game. And your statement bolded above is a pure "personality" response. It has zero to do with my engagement in this game.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #648 (isolation #120) » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:30 am

In post 640, Amrun wrote:
In post 624, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 619, Amrun wrote:
In post 613, PeaceBringer wrote:See amrun, a read of your play is quit interesting. You start out buddying up to me with slamming on a vote out of blue and criticized his random vote. You continued to do so. Then you went and through random crap at the hydra with tammy. You throw FOS here and there including TNE. Yet, you do not follow up your FOS. You make comments on others posting. Throw in a random declaration of someone being town. Chastise khtx on his poor vote analysis. Yet, then without any real examination procalim PB a good place to vote at a time when it hits the tipping point and you have some pressure from Jake. Mild but you do. It is a far stronger case at this point then the case on me or anyone else so far on this day one.
Voting for someone who is RVS voting you is not "buddying." I'm soooo tired of hearing this term misused. I voted kthx because I had a scumread on him. TNE - valid, but I've looked at TNE's games and that slot is scummy and lurky no matter WHAT, and doesn't respond to much of anything, so I'm leaving it alone for now and seeing if context makes the slot clearer. I've examined plenty, and "random posts on others..." Guess what? That's playing the game. I don't post everything I think about a game. I have no pressure on me that I feel threatened by, or that anyone WOULD feel significantly threatened by.

There, now that that's done, "the case on you is stronger than the case on me" is a really scum-oriented way of thinking about vote placement and what you're doing in the game.
no it wasn't the vote, it was the reaction, and it was suck up to the new guy by jumping on a RVS and push the train. Oh, and now you are saying you are doing exactly what I have said, playing the game. You pushing me into wagon territory is exactly what it looks like, a calculated action that oyu think you can get away with from certain people. I don't buy that you are not concerned about Jack's digits in your face. And now you claim, um, dismiss TNE now cause he is always scummy. This after you listing sever people making accusations but not voting. NOw claim it as play yet those who know you have said, nope not your town play.
This post is entirely devoid of logic. I would "suck up to the new guy" (why would anyone even do that) by "jumping on a RVS" (which is explicitly not what I did, btw). I just have no idea what you're even trying to say.

Okay, first of all you engage in rhetoric and suggest that my response is pure emotion. Now admittedly "sucking up to new guy" is projective on my end but that is how I interpreted your reaction. Scum will do that you know, right? Now you claim it was a "tell base reaction." Well, if it is strictly a "tell based" reaction then why the easy disengage with a macho claim? Your tell not that strong? As to the rest, you referred to in the post quoted "it is just the way I play." I then accused to of a caculated action that you think you can get away with and others will not find scummy. I do believe you are threatened by Jack's digits in your face and do not but the "don't feel threatened" comment. You also proclaimed TNE as being "always scummy" backing off a previous broad sweeping digit pointing on your end. Your defense is "it is just how I play" which FYI is a primary complaint others are waging against me. Others have suggested you play is not your "town play." So there is more going on here than "how you play."

PeaceBringer · Post Post #649 (isolation #121) » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:36 am

In post 645, Porochaz wrote:Your big long post misreps the situation entirely.

I have in-game reasons for voting you.

Read the posts properly.

Your stated "in-game" reason so far is I did not properly defend myself against TNE OMGUS finger pointing. This because I actively dismissed TNE claim as simply pointing at "Play style" issues and not giving the OMGUS any real credance over and above that. Please elignten me from your perspective what it is about my behavior that is consistent with what someone from an "informed minority" would actually do?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #650 (isolation #122) » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:26 am

Prozac ISO examination:

12 Nice, self-deprecating post that I found amusing and schtick oriented. I thought perhaps we may get along okay. It was amusing.
31 worth quoting

In post 31, Porochaz wrote:No to self meta, just no. It will be ignored.

I didn't like the tone of your MD thread hence your impression i'm not usually a dick. That said in games I don't usually suffer fools either.

Self-meta response to my statement that I do that. Inserting your response to me. You didn’t like my tone and stating in advance “don’t suffer fools.” So please tell me how I am actually projecting there to what you stated?
43 is self-meta argumentation. Basically stating you will ignore it and as to why. It is a reasonable premise. Given previous statement though easy to project it as condescending.
110 here you engage in digit pointing at others. You quickly dismiss pyro calling me town and suggest that pyro is not posting properly. The tone of your post is very condescending to everyone you point at.
113 this flat out states your position. It flat out states the differences between you and me. You want “reasons” spelled out for everything. In other words, you arrogantly proclaim that your way of playing is the bestest in the world and anything else is “scummy” to you. Now, of course here you are engaging in self-meta by the way as well as proclaiming what you think is the fit and proper way everyone should play. In other words, you want everyone to be you. Also no reason and logic in the post, just rhetoric and condescending comments and digit pointing.
163 164[/[post] repeat post with a proper dismissal of something by essentially saying “the mod does what the mod does” (in my language).
[post]193 amusement and laughing at my drawing the claim from kthxbye
194 you now are passing judgment on the lynch. Proclaiming that my action there of obtaining information to make further judgement on is “scummy.” This is a value judgement. No logic.
248 here you engage in game theory discussion. You state your opinion on getting information. You recognize we have a different position and proclaim me as “not thinking it out” and as such waving off a counter opinion on play. Actually reminds me of the differences of opinion on “no lynching” back when I first played here.
250now engaging in personality driven elements with your mantra “self-meta useless.” So far, really nice use of “reason” and “logic” in your play.
251 justifying and unvote and finger pointing. Add a condescending comment directed at me.
293 asking for clarification on what BG stands for. It is a reasonable post.

298 you declaring that essentially in 251 that you didn’t know what macho is (fyi this is the post that made me go back and look realizing I skimmed something) and revoted kthxbye… your reason is that you claimed to not know what he was claiming and didn’t think it out.
367 hydra complaining and questioning claim and others not jumping on it.
416 you were being called out on hypocrisy and asked where “Jake’s reason free vote was” while pointing at someone else for “reason free voting”
417 passing judgment on what other’s post. (In response to this, I made a statement that you will hate me then, because the posts you commented on are by and large the kind of posts I make)
434 you point out that Jake did indicate reason in his post as “pressure” (pressure votes have a reason, yes, but they are not the “reasoned out” voting you were advocating) Also you are hugely engaging in self-meta here. Actually you self meta and OMGUS.
475 a need to catch up, blah blah blah post that is usually pretty scummy behavior.
488 is apparently drunk posting. In your drunk posting you admit to having intuition on kthxbye or “undefined non-cop out reasons. Admit some posts are not scummy to you and you do not know. Oddly enough in the post you let out some of your insecurity as well, probably what is underneath the brash condescending behavior you exhibit when sober.
517 and 519 more blah blah blah about absence and complaints about work.

Now everything up to this point has been focused on chk (not elyse as only referenced chk early) and kthxbye and one finger pointing post. So now your posts will shift to attending to me and your “in game reasons” for the vote.
559 now here you state your “reasons” regarding me being scummy.
Your reference 462 as a good case when it is simply OMGUS and I will get back to that in a second. You dismiss my response as not good enough and use it as your “reason” to vote me. It is not a logically presented case. Just finger pointing.
Now as to TNE case
He called me out for:
1: Voting without reason
2: Not giving a solid read
3: sheeping
4: not pursuing reads
All these are “playstyle” pointing and of course he knows that and “mocks” that. My response is to wave it off dismissively as each of those behaviors are by and large null. Now you come and decide that since I did not engage in a defense like you think I should over such an obvious OMGUS response to a particular player. Here is the funny thing, if I had simply stuck to my intuition and tunneled TNE endlessly without “reason” (which is what I would have done) it would have been on the list.

580 discussion about VCA, where you make a sound point about proper use of same
583 Propagandizing post
584 giving propaganda to my post demonstrating a “town response” from me in this response. You dismiss it and state not part of your case. Your case consists of not properly responding to TNE OMGUS reasoning
596 calling my response to your propagandizing as being “self meta” when I called you out for not seeing past the differences in how we play. You proclaim I have stubbornly refused to mount a defense yet you actively dismissed my pointing at protown reaction.
614 complaining and whining about references to hyrda by their head.
616 (doubled up post) this is a post completely devoid of reason and you engage in a “self-meta” oriented digit pointing filled with projection. You accuse me of engaging in “don’t pick on me.” You point to what you refer to as “self-meta” while engaging in self-meta yourself. You claim to “not care” about my response and profess to “forgot” about your initial reaction to me on the site. You accuse me of accusing you of bringing in “outside” influence to the game. By this, my accusing you have reacting to personality differences is “outside” influence. You would have me and other believe that you are engaging in pure reason and logic, which is contrary to this post. You point to “strawman arguementation” but do not highlight what the strawman is. As to the neighbor comments, I will walk you through it in some other post other than this mega post on your reactions and your accusation of “not reading properly”
618 explanatory blah blah not needed
645 accusation of misrepresentation without evidence of same. Claims of me “not reading properly” which resulted in this exhaustive ISO examination
646 in this post you again refer to your favorite straw-man : you are using self-meta.
You proclaim I am accusing you of “outside influence” when I have stated over and over we have a personality issue and chalking up your behavior to that. You refer to my “play” as scummy but there has not been one ounce of sound reasoning done by you or anyone else. The only thing occurred was the TNE comments which are “null” and not dependent on anyone’s affiliation. And you engaged in pretty much pointing out that you consider there to be no value in my posts but are aware you have to deal with me and made it clear you do not like doing so.

So your behavior hear has displayed use of strawmen, pointing at behavior in others that you do yourself, failing to provide any sound reason for your voting with anyone, in opposition to your own announced “self-meta”. You are pointing at me because you misread me, project on to me, and have a negative response to me. That is fact. A close read of you show you to display arrogance, insecurity, and hypocritical argumentation with a propensity to rhetoric with little reasoning.
Now this post took a long time to put together. I apologize to everyone else that may or may not actually read it. Prepared for a quick, active dismissal. I will discuss the neighbor reaction in more detail for all at another point.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #652 (isolation #123) » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:32 am

eh, forgot hthx cannot vote, so am only at 3... Amrun, I will do a more extensive investigation into your actions, behaviors and my reactions. Perhaps there is some projection on my end but I need to take a closer look. Not changing anything because going on my "gut" reaction to initial ISO look by me. FYI- I had missed that RANK outed self as GR and took responsibility for the day kill as got wrapped up in dealing with prozac and amrun.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #663 (isolation #124) » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:14 pm

In post 656, Amrun wrote:
In post 648, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 640, Amrun wrote:
In post 624, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 619, Amrun wrote:
In post 613, PeaceBringer wrote:See amrun, a read of your play is quit interesting. You start out buddying up to me with slamming on a vote out of blue and criticized his random vote. You continued to do so. Then you went and through random crap at the hydra with tammy. You throw FOS here and there including TNE. Yet, you do not follow up your FOS. You make comments on others posting. Throw in a random declaration of someone being town. Chastise khtx on his poor vote analysis. Yet, then without any real examination procalim PB a good place to vote at a time when it hits the tipping point and you have some pressure from Jake. Mild but you do. It is a far stronger case at this point then the case on me or anyone else so far on this day one.
Voting for someone who is RVS voting you is not "buddying." I'm soooo tired of hearing this term misused. I voted kthx because I had a scumread on him. TNE - valid, but I've looked at TNE's games and that slot is scummy and lurky no matter WHAT, and doesn't respond to much of anything, so I'm leaving it alone for now and seeing if context makes the slot clearer. I've examined plenty, and "random posts on others..." Guess what? That's playing the game. I don't post everything I think about a game. I have no pressure on me that I feel threatened by, or that anyone WOULD feel significantly threatened by.

There, now that that's done, "the case on you is stronger than the case on me" is a really scum-oriented way of thinking about vote placement and what you're doing in the game.
no it wasn't the vote, it was the reaction, and it was suck up to the new guy by jumping on a RVS and push the train. Oh, and now you are saying you are doing exactly what I have said, playing the game. You pushing me into wagon territory is exactly what it looks like, a calculated action that oyu think you can get away with from certain people. I don't buy that you are not concerned about Jack's digits in your face. And now you claim, um, dismiss TNE now cause he is always scummy. This after you listing sever people making accusations but not voting. NOw claim it as play yet those who know you have said, nope not your town play.
This post is entirely devoid of logic. I would "suck up to the new guy" (why would anyone even do that) by "jumping on a RVS" (which is explicitly not what I did, btw). I just have no idea what you're even trying to say.
Okay, first of all you engage in rhetoric and suggest that my response is pure emotion. Now admittedly "sucking up to new guy" is projective on my end but that is how I interpreted your reaction. Scum will do that you know, right? Now you claim it was a "tell base reaction." Well, if it is strictly a "tell based" reaction then why the easy disengage with a macho claim? Your tell not that strong? As to the rest, you referred to in the post quoted "it is just the way I play." I then accused to of a caculated action that you think you can get away with and others will not find scummy. I do believe you are threatened by Jack's digits in your face and do not but the "don't feel threatened" comment. You also proclaimed TNE as being "always scummy" backing off a previous broad sweeping digit pointing on your end. Your defense is "it is just how I play" which FYI is a primary complaint others are waging against me. Others have suggested you play is not your "town play." So there is more going on here than "how you play."

I am trying to be frank here. I have no clue what you are talking about. Wtf do you keep putting "tell based reaction" in quotes as if it is something I said? I don't even know what it MEANS, or who it's referring to, or ANYTHING.

As for "sucking up to the new guy," that's never something I've seen scum do in my memory, no. And why do you keep relying on what "others" say about my play? They've also said this isn't my scum play, but you just glossed right over that (which is scummy btw). Regardless, if you were town you wouldn't trust "other" opinions since you shouldn't know their alignments (or if they're right, even, which they are not).

being how you jumped on Kthx after they FOS'd my RVS-LOL vote of Prozac you claim it was not RVS, nor sucking up, you claim it was "game related." The only real possible thing you could have right off the back is a tell/meta (whatever you want to call) reaction. That is it. Maybe I will have time to ISO you. As to other claiming you are town, I do not trust them per say over the ones who are pointing at you. I ignored it at first until your behavior and then a read over your posts. Maybe another read over of your ISO I will change your mind. It is also interesting that you make a blanket statement that "if I was town, I wouldn't trust other opinions" That is a pretty faulty argument. Basically you are saying "town" never listens to anyone else. Why wouldn't I as town listen to people who have a broader history of interactions and take it into account.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #674 (isolation #125) » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:46 am

PeaceBringer (4) - thenewearth, Porochaz, Amrun, d3x
Amrun (3) - Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer
thenewearth (1) - Pyrotechnics
Kthxbye (0) -
The Slovak Prince (0) -
d3x (0) -
Kyubey (0) -
Jake from State Farm (0) -
Rank (0) -
Porochaz (0) -
trebuchet tabby
Pyrotechnics

Not Voting (4): Kyubey, Rank, , trebuchet tabby, Kthxbye

Okay, where are scum likely to be here. I know I am town. We should have 3-4 scum in this game depending on having indy/sk.
So I look at this and wonder if Amrun is nonscum as she claims, where woud scum likely to be. Right now I have town reads on pyro, jake, and slovak. Kth claims macho town. Rank is either day vig or an indy/sk.
So if Slovak and Jake are as a I read, scum are likley to be off voting or voting me. Now if Amrun is scum, again same thoughts. So one could argue that "confirming" me via lynch would break the game open. I prefer to find the scum.
However, we can take a look and consider things and get a “breaking open” without “confirming” my protown status.

We know Else is protown. Unfortunately Rank offed her before we could get full examination. Fortunately he did not off me.
Currently the 3 voting Amrun are that were voting Elyse. I tend to think that Jake are Slovak are town and so there is a bit of apparent town block voting there. Could I am Jake or Slovak wrong, it is possible. Now I do not recall anyone “defending” elyse at all. I of course flipped between my read and listening to Jake. It didn’t matter to me which of elyse or TNE got run up.

In post 498, Alton Brown wrote:Votecount 1.10Elyse (3) - Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer
Kthxbye (2) - d3x, Amrun
thenewearth (2) - Pyrotechnics, Elyse
PeaceBringer (2) - Rank, thenewearth
The Slovak Prince (1) - Kyubey
d3x (0) -
Kyubey (0) -
Jake from State Farm (0) -
Rank (0) -
Amrun (0) -
Porochaz (0) -
trebuchet tabby
Pyrotechnics

Not Voting (3): trebuchet tabby, Porochaz, Kthxbye

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in 1 day, 9 hours, 44 minutes.

kthxbye is no longer able to vote for this day phase.

Here is the kthxbye run up. I know I am town. Rank is day vig or indy/sk. Else is confirmed town. Leaves me, Jake, Amrun, and d3x. So anyone think that this is a scum free run up? I know I am town. Jake appears to be town. For me leaves d3x, Amrun.

In post 173, Alton Brown wrote:
Votecount 1.3Kthxbye (6) - d3x, Rank, Amrun, chkflip/elyse, Jake from State Farm, PeaceBringer
The Slovak Prince (1) - Kyubey,
chkflip (2) - The Slovak Prince, Porochaz
Kyubey (1) -thenewearth
Jake from State Farm (1) - Kthxbye
d3x (0) -
Rank (0) -
Amrun (0) -
PeaceBringer (0) -
Porochaz (0) -
trebuchet tabby
Pyrotechnics
thenewearth

Not Voting (2): trebuchet tabby, Pyrotechnics

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Now it is interesting to note that Amrun kinda has defended D3x and they have generally been voting together. Sure that can be sold as a “town read” bit. Much like my position on Slovak and Jake.
I look at this and I can see d3x, Amrun, and TNE as scum. Then one of Kyub or Prozac as fellow scum.

Now I do know that Kyub and D3X have something in common. That being a “chef parody” vs being a chef. While we are neighbors, Kyub is the “parody” of my chef. I could see scum as being the “parody” chefs. That could also be red herring. So I did enter into things with one eye open regarding Kyub. They have engaged in what appears genuine sorting of who may be scum and indicating who they regard as town. The silence since the “outing” has me raising eyebrows though.

There is probably more that can be pulled from this- I may well be wrong on pyro/Slovak/jake as town reads. I am null on tre-tabby and they are a wild card for me.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #675 (isolation #126) » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:48 am

So for me right now Amrun, D3X, or TNE I could vote any one of those 3. I would say that even if they were not all voting me at the moment.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #676 (isolation #127) » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:54 am

oh and we are closing in on deadline. Since we are getting close to deadline and I am at 4 and most likely to have a deadline pile on. I will just out the rest of me. I AM EMERIL who the mod referred to as the most famous chef. I am a neighbor to one of my "chef parodies" the character who is Kyub. I have a vote. THat is my role.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #680 (isolation #128) » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:11 am

In post 678, Jake from State Farm wrote:this game

Tried some bear stew. It was a little grizzly.

what?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #683 (isolation #129) » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:17 am

In post 326, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 324, Kyubey wrote:
In post 318, Cabd wrote:Wooo town Mara! So glad to personally confirm that. Totally worth having to out the other info.
My bad. This was me, obviously.

Anyways mara, you're totally right. That's not something that somebody that doesn't know you says. It's something that somebody says when they're familiar with you.... or they have a subwoofer with somebody that knows you, minus the sub part.
um, actually it had nothing to do with being your neighbor. Why you decided to out that is beyond me... It was completely different tone than the guy that outed that they were hated and referenced Gordon Ramsey.

okay, looking back at that, I really did miss read that and way over reacted. Not sure why they were crumbing that or more specifically that head was other than trying to connect with people he thought would get it. Not as obvious on reread as it was in my mind at time. Really would like to know the theory on those voting me (if they are not scum) as to why that reaction would come from scum. I was totally frustrated, irritated, and reacted in a moment.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #686 (isolation #130) » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:40 am

In post 684, Porochaz wrote:
In post 677, Alton Brown wrote:
Votecount 1.15

Not Voting (4): Kyubey, Rank, trebuchet tabby,
Kthxbye

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-08-31 19:03:38).

Why are you guys not voting yet? You need to, now.

I will not vote Amrun today. At a push Ill vote tne, but I wont be happy.

here, put your money where your mouth is...embrace unhappy

vote TNE

PeaceBringer · Post Post #687 (isolation #131) » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:50 am

town needs to get on board one way or another. Some need to set aside personal takes and pick one of TNE or AMRUN. Either that or pile on and confirm me.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #689 (isolation #132) » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:18 am

In post 688, Kyubey wrote:I've been busy in other games, vote/analysis/responses will come from me this evening, but i'll note that any theory that states scum is in a certain type of character are bad and you should feel bad.

well it is the thought that crossed my mind from day one, so the continued feeling out. Now, that being said the exchanges have seemed genuine, yet could not be. The flat out disappearance from the game is far more concerning. I haven't acted on it, but the thought is in back of my mind, certainly. Not a road I want to go down. Just putting all my thoughts out there.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #719 (isolation #133) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:09 am

In post 703, Pyrotechnics wrote:peacebringer - I think you voted for TNE at one point but you didn't bold it.

vote TNE-

I thought I did bold it.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #720 (isolation #134) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:10 am

In post 686, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 684, Porochaz wrote:
In post 677, Alton Brown wrote:
Votecount 1.15

Not Voting (4): Kyubey, Rank, trebuchet tabby,
Kthxbye

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-08-31 19:03:38).

Why are you guys not voting yet? You need to, now.

I will not vote Amrun today. At a push Ill vote tne, but I wont be happy.
here, put your money where your mouth is...embrace unhappy
vote TNE

the problem here is a bold fail as it bolded all.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #721 (isolation #135) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:13 am

In post 718, The Slovak Prince wrote:that should be L-1 I think if PB's vote counts

my vote should count and if so that was hammer. If not then my revote was the hammer.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #722 (isolation #136) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:16 am

In post 721, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 718, The Slovak Prince wrote:that should be L-1 I think if PB's vote counts
my vote should count and if so that was hammer. If not then my revote was the hammer.

never mind, L-1...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #723 (isolation #137) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:27 am

In post 711, Porochaz wrote:
In post 705, Pyrotechnics wrote:This Peacebringer wagon is fucking retarded.

Fery, Cabd, Mara, I'm calling in the motherfucking chips.

Vote TNE.

Not a vote.

Further mkore is it your who has the readsoning "IM not voting PB, cause its day 1." Becaise whilst Im okay with prople disafeeing with me, it a bit of a terriblre bale out reason.

I am going to be on your ass this whole game now. This post is projection. You are projecting the reason pyro won't vote me is that it is "day one." That is your perspective and your interpretation. 100% spin.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #727 (isolation #138) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:15 am

In post 724, Porochaz wrote:Jesus christ would you stop twisting everything I say into something different its really fucking wearing.

I need to look back anyway, I made that post whilst pissed and Im not even particularly sure it was pyro, might have been jake.

Also, not a vote was meant as it wasnt bolded so wouldnt count.

I am not twisting anything. I am dealing with the words exactly as written. You are the one twisting others words. You identify that you had the person who said it wrong. If it was jake the statement actually makes more sense. You understand our relationship and history you would understand where it is coming from. Yes, Jake did say he wouldn't vote me day 1 unlessed pressed to do so, I wouldn't either. Unless there was good reason to and vice versa. We have played a few games elsewhere and it is called "mutual respect."

PeaceBringer · Post Post #728 (isolation #139) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:16 am

In post 726, Porochaz wrote:Intent to hammer, your posting in other games, 3 days without a post in this one is not acceptable.

who pray tell are you referring to...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #729 (isolation #140) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:16 am

In post 724, Porochaz wrote:Jesus christ would you stop twisting everything I say into something different its really fucking wearing.

I need to look back anyway, I made that post whilst pissed and Im not even particularly sure it was pyro, might have been jake.

Also, not a vote was meant as it wasnt bolded so wouldnt count.

oh, and by the way, you started this with your BS.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #732 (isolation #141) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:36 am

In post 730, Porochaz wrote:Oh yes, I forgot mafia is about friendships in previous games, and that should influence this one, because its more about respect and less about you know, actually playing the game.

Right.

Was referring to thenewearth after all, he is the one about to be lynched. I'm letting him know that I will hammer if I need to. Its deadline, so its a given anyway, but Im making sure he knows I won't let a no-lynch go through.

Yes, mafia/werewolf by and large is a game founded on relationships. You develop respect. You by an large have people that you would not necessarily vote on day one wihtout a strong reason to do so. If you say otherwise then you either lack self-insight or are a liar. You play the game, day one is the start. You have things that influence you, like you reacting to personality difference between you and me as evidenced by your statement here. Again your arrogance is showing, which you have already demonstrated masks your insecurities. And here, you now saying you are giving TNE "Fair warning." Something done out of "respect" not game play. You cannot seperate relationship and the game as this is a social game.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #736 (isolation #142) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:54 am

Regards post 734Thanks, for the more reasonable approach. I also do not want to be focused on tearing into what I feel are hypocritical posting and constantly examining your behavior at the expense of the game. I will disengage that action now in hopes of more reasoned discussion.
FYI-there does exist a way to check on "how I play" barring signing up for other sites. I have some record here and while it is a long time ago, there is a record outside of what I have to say. You refer to things such as "self meta" as scummy. Yet, by and large it is nil. Scum by and large may or may not engage in it. So that is your personal preference not a behavior that scum would do over and above non-scum. You will also find that the "heavy self-meta" here is trying to explain things to people who otherwise may just choose to wagon me because yes I am aggressive. I also am intutioin and reaction based. I hate lurkers and day one. So we agree on that. I find the LAL thing to be faulty premise and despise the premise. (part of why I left) I don't mind soft claims or fake claims or anything else that can be used to get separation and be able to sort out who is and who is not in the informed minority.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #737 (isolation #143) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:02 am

734 We can disagree. Yes, face to face is different as you have non-verbal tells and other relational elements. FYI- a bit more explanation on the relational. While Jake and I have played toghether before, this is 1st game in a couple of years. In this game I had no intent till see more of voting him. He maybe the same, I cannot speak for him. I came here to be able to play with him. So not "voting day one" is just a relational thing. Give me more signs that he is scum and will jump on him. Now I have fished his reactions and exchanges, of course he knows what I am doing as well. We are probably feeling out. He is doing far less fishing than I am used to but I yet cannot call him scummy for it. I did let him know I have some concerns. Now, I can be entirely wrong on my takes and game. I tend to be reactionary at time, as seen by the "neighbor outing" and thought something was more obvious than was, as when I reread it to explain it was not quite as clear. Now, sure I can make statements about it. I was not the first. When ever you defend your self you have options. Go on an attack (kind of like what I did with your posts), avoid it, or find some way to navigate it without aggression or avoidance. Any which action can be done by scum or non-scum. It is the greater relational and emotive and other content that ultimately determine things from my point of view. You may have another one.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #738 (isolation #144) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:02 am

jeez, now I double posted...lol

PeaceBringer · Post Post #739 (isolation #145) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:04 am

noppe, just the wrong post. Post 737 should refer to post 735

PeaceBringer · Post Post #740 (isolation #146) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:06 am

also prozac- by way of explanation, I don't like explaining my votes and other elements because it expains what I am looking at. Also I play with people who normally do not which can be seen in that passive aggressive copy and past of a game page at where I play werewolf (packmentality.net). Night and day difference.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #741 (isolation #147) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:26 am

Oh and as to "twisting words" it is a matter of perception. What I respond to is my perception at the time of writing and how in "interpret" what is being said. Much like in a moment I take something to be obvious that really wasn't. That is my perception in the moment. Your perception that I meant more then "schtick" with the opening vote is your perception. It is flawed, but it is the perception none the less. Adding in "twisted" means a purposeful misrepresentation of the facts. Also known as "spin". I have been sharing my genuine perceptions, you of course can perceive to be spin. All I can do is explain to alter perception and vice versa.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #742 (isolation #148) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:30 am

Now Prozac what you refer to as a self-meta, can be argued is by an large either an attempt as town to explain and alter mis-perceptions. Now if done by scum, it is done with intent to manipulate perceptions. IT is a tool, now you can certainly not like the tool and argue against it. However, pointing to someone as engaging in "self-meta" and therefore needing to be ignore or scummy is by and large a strawman set up and then lived by. Same issue I have with that I have with "lynch all liars" as it reduces the tools that can be used.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #745 (isolation #149) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:14 am

In post 744, Porochaz wrote:The other post I was going to comment on - (650)

31 - Made me laugh, you have a point.
110 - That post had nothing to do with you, I was more commenting on his playstyle he had shown up until that post rather than the vote itself. A blanket statement with no real reason behind it.
113 - I think your being unfair, nowhere do I say my play is the best play in the world, I've lost too many games for that to be true. I need reasoning, without it this stops being mafia and turns into a popularity contest. I dont need everyone to "be me".
193/194 - You asked for a claim ridiculously early. 193 is a valid point.
417 - 11 posts in a row is ridiculous for anyone!
488 - I think Im terrible at this game and am frequently doubting myself I dont understand where your opinion is coming from, I guess the condensation is the way your reading my posts. Im not meaning to be.
517 - Its fair enough, I work, Im not able to post some times. It was purely a prod avoider.

FYI- I was making general comments on your play and posting, not your comments toward me. And yes, you do come off as arrogant and condescending.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #746 (isolation #150) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:17 am

In post 745, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 744, Porochaz wrote:The other post I was going to comment on - (650)

31 - Made me laugh, you have a point.
110 - That post had nothing to do with you, I was more commenting on his playstyle he had shown up until that post rather than the vote itself. A blanket statement with no real reason behind it.
113 - I think your being unfair, nowhere do I say my play is the best play in the world, I've lost too many games for that to be true. I need reasoning, without it this stops being mafia and turns into a popularity contest. I dont need everyone to "be me".
193/194 - You asked for a claim ridiculously early. 193 is a valid point.
417 - 11 posts in a row is ridiculous for anyone!
488 - I think Im terrible at this game and am frequently doubting myself I dont understand where your opinion is coming from, I guess the condensation is the way your reading my posts. Im not meaning to be.
517 - Its fair enough, I work, Im not able to post some times. It was purely a prod avoider.
FYI- I was making general comments on your play and posting, not your comments toward me. And yes, you do come off as arrogant and condescending.

of course that being said, when pissed off I may perceive things more "condescending" than they actually are...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #751 (isolation #151) » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:47 am

Prochaz, I do not know if you are using Tapatalk or what from phone but can you please indicate who you are talking to, it is sometimes hard to tell.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #778 (isolation #152) » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:34 pm

odds are that scum were already on my vote so they had no where to go...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #779 (isolation #153) » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:44 pm

vote the Tabby

PeaceBringer · Post Post #780 (isolation #154) » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:45 pm

RANK- please get a claim before going off TIA...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #782 (isolation #155) » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:14 pm

In post 781, trebuchet tabby wrote:
In post 778, PeaceBringer wrote:odds are that scum were already on my vote so they had no where to go...
Funny.. You mean on your wagon?

In post 779, PeaceBringer wrote:
vote the Tabby
This doesn't match up with the said above.

In post 780, PeaceBringer wrote:RANK- please get a claim before going off TIA...
You are going to berate someone who hammered the only thing he could before a No lynch could happen?

now, that was about the Else vote... I can frequently say one thing and do another... I don't always accurately portray my thought or I change them after speaking. What really goes on in my head only I know, and even then...

At any rate, RANK should not fire off a day kill without a claim.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #823 (isolation #156) » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:22 am

In post 822, Kyubey wrote:
In post 821, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 818, Kyubey wrote:
In post 817, Kthxbye wrote:Kyubey's response to this is the reason my vote is still on tabby atm.
What? I don't see how my response to marangal's vote makes your vote on tabby?
Your response to the WTF moment carrot boy (TSP) made was exactly what came to my mind when I read his vote with nothing else. I'm town and so since you posted a similar thought to known town, it lessened my surety of you being scum just enough to continue voting Tabby.
Fair enough.

My other head finally promised me to read up and offer her thoughts as well. Playing a hydra by yourself is incredibly depressing.

I did some setup spec in my neighborhood almost a week ago and asked for PB's input, and I haven't heard back; so I'm guessing PB is scum reading me enough to yank any discussion in our neighborhood.

you laid out some basic numbers... and pretty much a person says they will do one thing and does another gets me concerned. Your TT take is contrary to how game is playing out. So yeah, not much for me to say, but you went quiet as well.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #855 (isolation #157) » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:59 pm

In post 852, Pyrotechnics wrote:This game needs an adrenaline injection or something.

well it speaks to the state of things, when noose tightens some go quiet hoping to slide off without notice...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #877 (isolation #158) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:25 am

In post 874, Jake from State Farm wrote:can we just lynch tabby already?

How do I handle change? I put it in the parking meter.

agreed, nothing really to interact. Get the lynch make any adjustments to thoughts and and so on.
Really do not get the delay here. Folks going twiddle around until deadline or something...
this is not rocket science.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #885 (isolation #159) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:56 am

well no lose if you go, doesn't fit your behavior with being so "cautious" as to "worry about a mislynch" nonsense.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #926 (isolation #160) » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:53 pm

In post 924, trebuchet tabby wrote:Well if you didn't lose your vote we would have been lynched already. With no other competing wagon which is why I think scum are on this wagon.

~

@Jake:

We have hunted, we asked questions and got reads. You think we acted scummy, but to each their own. As I said your case on us feels like something you dug up from Day 1 which has confirmation bias glasses all over it.

I'm not trying to put paranoia into anyone's minds. Someone asked for our reads and I gave them. I don't think Rank is as innocent as everyone thinks he is. There is possible for a day vig to be scum aligned.

We don't even know if scum freakened killed at all during last night's phrase. You think you blocked us, but you didn't. We are bullet proof and it's passive so you can't block BP. We aren't scum.

Plus you are talking to Mala right now and not Fery.

well if you are town, do not think for a minute that Rank is not considered as possibilities, especially with how things are... there are 3 options for rank but none need dealing with this day. You on the other hand do and you really claim a null role so gotta break some eggs to make an omelet, so if you are lynched and if you are scum great, if not information Is good for town and helps sort out the rest.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #928 (isolation #161) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:18 am

In post 927, Porochaz wrote:Interested you latched on to the rank argument despite not being interested in it before

there you go again spinning something I say or do. Just because I do not comment on something does not mean I have no interest in something...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #961 (isolation #162) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:20 am

what about rank will sort out sooner or later do folks not understand...seriously.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #964 (isolation #163) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:20 am

seriously, roles have kinda fit with claim... so for the blind cook who won master chef last year we have a role designated as someone who cannot be messed with for X # of nights. Seriously letting that claim stand? Here is the deal. Either TT is really just useless town (by way of play and role) or they are scum. I think they are scum. There is no reason not to finish them off, get the flip, re-evaluate. Gotta break some eggs.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #966 (isolation #164) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:27 pm

In post 965, trebuchet tabby wrote:
In post 958, The Slovak Prince wrote:Venny hasn't been around, period. He says he's busy with stuff

he didn't give me much other than he didn't like some posts, he specified post 614

and he thought posts between Peace and Poro looked a bit like scum/scum.

In post 559, Porochaz wrote:And it was a case that you could have answered properly as well.
that part is what stood out to him

something along the lines of sub-conscious coaching I think. I still don't really understand it :/

in any case, I'm unsure if he thinks Poro is only scum if PB is scum

and I don't think that claim is likely a scum role because it really isn't provable, and (IMO) the purpose of fake-claiming is to buy yourself some time. That claim doesn't accomplish that at all.

I still maintain Kyu being town in the neighborhood if it's town/scum but I'm not really even sure there because Cabd has tricked me so many times it isn't even funny :/
It is kinda provable, but it defeats all purposes imo. I'm starting to think you didn't read my posts after the claim.

In post 964, PeaceBringer wrote:seriously, roles have kinda fit with claim... so for the blind cook who won master chef last year we have a role designated as someone who cannot be messed with for X # of nights. Seriously letting that claim stand? Here is the deal. Either TT is really just useless town (by way of play and role) or they are scum. I think they are scum. There is no reason not to finish them off, get the flip, re-evaluate. Gotta break some eggs.
Thanks for letting me know to avoid you in the future. You and Jake play very similar and very arrogant for the most part. Screw you for calling us useless because we are not useless for the least bit and we are not scum. I notice how everyone's banking on our lynch and are like "lynch them and then get the flip", but not looking at anyone else, but us.

Besides from a few players still hunting everyone else is fine with this day just ended and it's fucking annoying in the most part.

useless in terms of role, it serves no purpose whatsoever, and if not scum you have contributed nothing to this game, so useless by way of play. But feel free to avoid me. Oh, and am not arrogant, but I am aggressive. I make plenty of mistakes and am often a useless moron.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #967 (isolation #165) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:29 pm

oh, and right now I need your piece of information to sort through the rest...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #972 (isolation #166) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:48 pm

In post 970, trebuchet tabby wrote:Are you kidding me? If scum have multiple ways to make kills or even if there's a 3rd party (judging by lack of kills might not be true) being BP is
not
useless. You can sit yourself down next to Jake while being confirmation bias too. Enjoy your own corner and dunce hats that write "confirmation bias ahoy".

actually you just called it negative utility, which it really is not. If you truly had bulletproof/ascetic you did nothing to draw a kill. You just kind of waffling around. Oh, and confirmation bias is always a brilliant scum defense, for in this game you can always suggest an accuser is engaging in confirmation bias. Me, personally not biased. I have looked at other angles. In fact, so not biased that I want to test the results scientifically by getting the information of a flip. If you are simply really playing poorly, gotta break some eggs.

PeaceBringer · Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:19 am

In post 1022, Porochaz wrote:I am loathed to make this day last longer than it has to, but can anyone including Jake himself tell me whether he has fakeclaimed as town before?

I cannot speak for Jake here, but if I recall, I have witnessed such else where, but not 100% on that. Just put me down as I think so.

PeaceBringer · Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:38 am

In post 1027, Jake from State Farm wrote:there are other games where town has lied and
I freaked out,
I just can't remember them off hand.

A dentist and manicurist fought tooth and nail.

really, cannot imagine that...

PeaceBringer · Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:11 am

vote kyubey

PeaceBringer · Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:13 am

In post 1053, Amrun wrote:'the people whose alignemnts I am most sure of today are:

Porochaz
Jake
Tammy
Rank

In that order.

lol, some how I am off that list...weird.

PeaceBringer · Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:26 am

In post 1070, Amrun wrote:/because he is town.

unvote

you claiming cop?

PeaceBringer · Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:27 am

unvote

PeaceBringer · Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:28 am

In post 1065, Amrun wrote:Why would you be on that list, pb?

why wouldn't I...

PeaceBringer · Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:55 am

re kyub- no suprise in claim. I wondered because he did proclaim TT as a town read in neighborhood and play is sketchy. He blamed it on only having a plain town plus neighborhood role.

Willing to explore other aves...

vote D3X

PeaceBringer · Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:04 pm

In post 1180, Amrun wrote:
In post 1177, PeaceBringer wrote:re kyub- no suprise in claim. I wondered because he did proclaim TT as a town read in neighborhood and play is sketchy. He blamed it on only having a plain town plus neighborhood role.

Willing to explore other aves...
vote D3X

Wait, why are you willing to explore other areas?

how I play the game...:shrug:

PeaceBringer · Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:40 pm

In post 1207, Jake from State Farm wrote:oh ok

The noisy fireworks display in Tibet caused a temporary Lhasa hearing.

limited areas left to go jake. Although right now Kthx claim does not fit with the rest...
want to her more from D3

PeaceBringer · Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:08 pm

trying to sort everything out... please tell me how a "macho" role fits with the rest of what we know... macho's are generally meant to be used in games with lots of protection... I have no problem with a town claim.

As to the neighborhood. It certainly could be. I identified the problematic behaviors. Ky could be the scum. Since so many people are out already a full claim from rest may not be a bad idea but also not necessary. I could easily go back and lynch ky. right now I am down to you, d3x, and ky...

PeaceBringer · Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:16 am

ok,

vote ky