Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[Psychlone]

Scum found. And I have a case!

hi guys.

Look at this post.
Just look at it!

The abomination! The damnation! The blasphemy!
This post, ladies and maidens, is a scumpost that reeks the foul odor of scuminess!

hi

Oh, look at this foul aberrant buddying!
And it's only page 1!
With this post only, I can clearly see fery, behind the monitor, literally trembling with fear, hoping this subtle buddying attempt would grant her a "obvtown" status!
Not a chance, lady!

guy

Among these seemingly friendly post lurks the totally scum-motivated damneous post!

If you translate "guy" to Arabic via the sacred Google Translate, you can see that "تنكر" is one of the result.
And guess what that mean?
"deny, disguise, masquerade, disavow, renounce"

Do not fall for this posts, my maids and maidens, for she is secretly mocking us and backstabbing us, just like that!
With this, we can already lucidly imagine her evil mind and dexterous and sly those damned typing fingers!

For we can not stand for this total wretchedness, we must purge this thread with fire!

(Besides, it's morph the cat.)

VOTE: morph

[Psychlone]

Please don't ruin this moment for me.
I worked hard on it and was waiting for quite a while to use it

[Psychlone]

Like, I even looked through the multiple translations from google translate just to find that one awkward totally-off translation.

[Psychlone]

Like, I even looked through the multiple translations from google translate just to find that one awkward totally-off translation.

I'm struggling to find reasons a town-you would be misrepping; care to help me?

Because it worth the effort!

[Psychlone]

You can put me in your scum list if you want. Won't change my alignment.

Nice angle.

VOTE: Morph

I approve of the vote, but I don't get what you mean by "angle."

[Psychlone]

You can put me in your scum list if you want. Won't change my alignment.

Nice angle.

VOTE: Morph

I approve of the vote, but I don't get what you mean by "angle."

GiF gets all the love for that case, just so you know.

I'm excited!

[Psychlone]

It's a reference to the Xenoblade large game.

[Psychlone]

I totally DID remember the password to this hydra! Thanks for being online on Skype when I need you most, GiF!

[Psychlone]

You can put me in your scum list if you want. Won't change my alignment.

Nice angle.

VOTE: Morph

I approve of the vote, but I don't get what you mean by "angle."

The flippant scum claim during RVS. Putting them in scum won't change their alignment, ergo scum.

Can't tell if you though morph's early posts were srs or not

P-EDIT: YOU'RE WELCOME! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO MADE THE PASSWORD!

[Psychlone]

I totally DID remember the password to this hydra! Thanks for being online on Skype when I need you most, GiF!

HINT HINT GET ON SKYPE HINT HINT

[Psychlone]

[Psychlone]

This accursed Win 8 won't let me
Lemme fix that and get back to you.

[Psychlone]

@morph: do you think that's a town-tell?

If it is it's a super light one.


Don't worry bro, i'll chop your balls off this game too.

Make it a gelding. Wait, nobody has balls this game. Hysterectomy.

-snip-

What an odd set of circumstances. It just so happens that:

I claim miller-tracker

Are we all claiming now?

In that case, I'm a Cult Recruiting Lyncher.

So, you drew that scum card...
How do you plan on going about getting town lynched without being obvious about it?

Wording here's a bit of a loaded question, wayne. But to answer--a scum-me will aim to manipulate town players into being paranoid of one another for the long-term mislynches, while on the short-term, allowing compromise lynches. (A town-me almost never compromises on lynches because compromise lynches are a surefire way to lynch town players. )

how are you not reading me as town?

Because I want to have perfect 100% accuracy in reading you, meaning I want to wait on that callout to make sure.

VOTE: thezmon221.

VOTE: mastin2

You forgot the tell tale punctuation.

Don't you mean tell tail punctuation?

More seriously, pieguyn is an early town read for confusion over this:

That's what nacho said too!

VOTE: Mac

Hi

Aw c'mon.
Where's yer RVS spirit

I'm reserving judgment on BRO right now; he totally duped me in NY 165.

And what am I, chopped liver? I see how it is.

You replaced out

IMO it'd be a lot better if he just wanted to get on a wagon. but he tried to throw some reasons in there for getting on the wagon, making me think he was just trying to seem natural

Um

I totally DID remember the password to this hydra! Thanks for being online on Skype when I need you most, GiF!

HINT HINT GET ON SKYPE HINT HINT

Get a QT >:C

QT is only for when I can't use skype.
(Speaking of which I got skype working!)

^ opportunistic as fuck

vote: Varsoon

Or a proper evaluation of play and agreement with the currently building wagon in a way that simultaneously puts pressure on the slot but doesn't put it in danger of being a lynch?

while it's true that it doesn't place it in danger of a lynch right now, it still does at least 2 things

1. it might force a claim out of him

2. it allows you to just sit there and look like you're doing shit without actually looking anywhere to find scum. also a good point because you hardly posted anything besides what's related to getting on the wagon

what you said is also the easiest defense against this argument and I'm compelled to think you're scum because of it

I'm not following you here. So, despite not taking part in RVS, you think I'm eager to be on a wagon?
And that having legitimate reasons for being on a wagon is scummy?

Huh.

Do you want to talk to me about it? I mean, the reasons I have for joining the wagon are exactly the ones I stated, but if you're think that there's some deeper meaning behind it, we can chat.

anyone on the wagon is responsible for anything that might happen as a result of wagoning him

thus, it looks good to put "reasons" when you wagon someone so you can just say "but I srsly thought he was scum because xxx" if it goes wrong

Re: bolded
When I see stuff like that I always say this.
"Then why vote at all?"

unless it wasn't supposed to be serious

Was it that great?
I... I feel warm inside!
<3

Maybe so. GiF is very good at sorting Varsoon. I want to hear his thoughts.

I'll have to read that stupidly long 1v1 first.

10/10 to mastin and Nacho. Would read again.

Just because it's mastin and nacho?

4/10. Not nearly as good as mastin's

And 4/10 because we haven't posted.

Uhm... mastin was first poster, 10/10

Then pieguy 4/10?

Wtf?

Either buddying, or scumz
Or both, even.

10/10 to mastin and Nacho. Would read again.

BRO! What's wrong with you? That was GiF.

>.<

OR

He's just being so biased right now >.>

VOTE: BRO

Normally I would know what you're up to
But this post just leaves me clueless :<

varsoon AtE this early.

varsoon town gaise

Varsoon got me fooled for a while with his AtE in xenogears.

If I end up townreading him, it would be for different reasons.

town: GP, varsoon, psychlone, BRO, mastin
maybe TNE

i don't like how little morph has done anything that didn't feel completely empty in this game, especially considering the amount of posts from them.

i don't like the continued flippancy from thezmon.

i don't like pieguy being confused about stuff that isn't really confusing at all. and the attack on varsoon is pretty meh.

Does posting like she's in block of ice counts as completely empty?
What flippancy?
Meh.

Why did you claim PGO?


Sorry about all this inquiry, it just really threw me off.

I'll probably go full-crazy and dig every one of my games

to find what claim it reminded me of, only for it to be dejavu.

I could tell you where it's from, but for some reason, I don't feel like telling you.

Anyhow
nacho is townreading mastin hard for his #24.
Fery posts felt iffy at first. Cabd side looks fine to me. I'll "need more data"
I agree on nacho's townread on pieguy.

The PGO convo with Varsoon makes me feel confident putting zmuffin as a townpile.
Light townread on ghost_penguin and BRO.
Regarding zmon, I'll have to see more from him. While it looks like his mastin vote is not serious, it also kinda looks forced.

Re: Varsoon, I'll need to go through the posts ._.

[Psychlone]

What is "abrasive" ?

[Psychlone]

Also speaking of QT, I made one and I was wondering why he didn't post any in there.
Turns out that I forgot to send him a link!

[Psychlone]

nacho is townreading mastin hard for his #24.

What I liked is that mastin felt awkward breaking up the jokey RVS stage, where all scum have to do is make jokes and hem and haw for a bit, but mastin broke that vibe for the sake of laying those reads down. I don't think he'd be as likely to do that as scum; he usually follows moods and "tempos" and adapts to them as scum, but he has no problem breaking them up as town.

I was actually thinking of this read while I was drinking hot chocolate this morning, just in case any of you was questioning how weird of a person I am.

[Psychlone]

Varsoon town.
Phoneposting so reasons later when I get back to desktop or when nacho gets in here.

[Psychlone]

Mastin, I don't think I ever spoke to you directly before.
Hi!
Nacho didn't tell me much about it, but I believe it has something to do it with the way you broke the rvs flow, not the breaking the flow itself.

What about Varsoon is bothering you?

[Psychlone]

Fery ur not even commenting on my iffy feeling on your post? :<

[Psychlone]

Fery ur not even commenting on my iffy feeling on your post? :<

You know, I thought it was posts, not a specific post. And I thought that you didn't like that I was letting the game float along, and enjoying the early before-things-get-serious period of the game, when I usually push to make things serious faster.

I thought about it when zmuffin mentioned it, but cabd took over during the period where you should be stepping up, and I never

cared

thought about how he usually do his opening, so meh.

What I had problem with was something different.

[Psychlone]

Its prob waaaay off timing but whatever.
Should've done it yesterday, but I was having too much fun with my modem and stuffs so

hi guys.

Dammit, ffery. (That's you, right?) It's going to be hard keeping you out of my scum list if you keep posting like

this

.

You can put me in your scum list if you want. Won't change my alignment.

This looked like you were frozen in ice, which is stuff that I don't usually feel from you.

Prob would've voted you for it but I missed it the first time.
So I've been hinting that I wasn't townreading you and you didn't respond at all.

Were you purposely ignoring it or did you not pick up on my hint?

P-Edit: that's what I said. Cabd was posting at the timing where you would've step up.

[Psychlone]

So since cabd was posting at that time, I took not leading out of rvs as null.

[Psychlone]

What's fery's take on V?

[Psychlone]

We're townreading Varsoon for few things.

1. His response to the PGO claim looked much more natural. In xenogears, he wrote a story essay of fencesitting before that awkward vote. Here, his response seemed way more natural.
2. His "frustration" looks quite different from xeno. In xeno, his frustration contained more hate, if you know what I mean. Not here. The tone of frustration looks totally different.
3. His post #12 felt town.

To be honest, I'm kinda disappointed that I haven't seen from him the key factor that lets me townread him easily. But hey, with my luck, I can't have an easy time everytime. (If not not at all )

Also don't expect me to post much til next Monday. My condition isn't so great.

[Psychlone]

was hoping i could make a quick post here, but you guys posted too much. i'll try to catch up tomorrow.

[Psychlone]

Lastwer
Iollk reewasd lasrter

[Psychlone]

SCREW CATCHING UP
I CAN ALWAYS DO THOSE LATER

Hate to point out the obvious...


IT WAS RVS AND YOURE TRIPPING ABOUT IT

Wat RVS vote?

[Psychlone]

Also
UNVOTE: for now.

[Psychlone]

Unvote

Varsoon, why is your vote on pieguy?

This question sucks, considering that question is the one most of Varsoon's recent posts were dedicated to answering. Did you ignore the walls, or were you just trying to get him to summarize them for you?

for being confused about whether i seriously thought your case on morph was good and that morph needed to defend themselves against it?

what do you think about the exchange with varsoon?

No, I thought that the way pieguy went about the reaction test was decently town; it was an odd angle to take, but the way that he went about it seemed decent to me. I also liked his #89 because it's the type of thing that you out to a scumbuddy in the quicktopic as oppose to zero in on in thread.

His side of the exchange with Varsoon seems genuine enough; don't think any of the points brought up on either side have been particularly excellent so far. Did you?

Quite frankly, if in my 130+ games, I've never broken the RVS flow as scum, I'd be surprised. (I am town, yes. But I'm concerned about the reasoning behind it.)

I'd be surprised as well! But it's something that you do more often as town than scum, so it's the first step in a dance that you're going to have to maintain for a very long time.

This is what I think, too. He feels a LOT more town than before, and I feel stronger about the pie/V argument being TvT than I did about any argument involving him/MS in Xeno.

Yeah.

RBO

are you always like this?

You sound so much like the narrator on the stanley parable.

I like this, actually. Don't understand what the hell it means, but still like it.

Would also wagon wayne, this isn't his usual play, but I don't feel like spending 60 page on him raging at me quite yet, and I want to see if he gets why I suspect him.

This much is also very true.

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

Normally you telegraph your votes pretty hard, but that didn't really happen here. Why'd you vote SSK here?

I

seriously

don't get you[/b]

,

so

I'm going to assume

you're scum

.

DAT ASS TOO FAT

This reads a lot like what Varsoon was trying to emulate in Xenogears LyLo but never quite reached.

This was too cogent for your town game until I got down to the last line.

BRO, I love you.

Lastwer
Iollk reewasd lasrter

GiF's been drinking himself into a stupor because of his horrible, horrible loneliness.

this worried me because i felt the wall i made previous to this post was well below average and probably didn't deserve a townread out of it. what made you townread me for it?

This wall is showing some promise.

Why was non-lurker waynegg only contributed a case when asked? That seems super scummy.

What did you think of his Watcher claim?

[Psychlone]

And it might just be because that was a rushed readthrough, but I don't have a very good handle on the game at the moment. Varsoon & mastin clicked very strongly early. Varsoon's "WOOP WOOP" bits were the parts that served as the final nail in that townread for reasons that Cabd will probably best be able to describe, feel, and Mastin's "fuck I made myself far too obvtown early" + a couple of his wafflefests felt very genuine to me, like he was thrust out into thread and just started ranting.

I'm not sure how I feel about waynegg. I didn't like his translation to the Muffin vote; there was that odd delay with the exchange with morph where I'd expect waynegg-town to vote Muffin the instant that he started suspecting him. His #202, #517 were more along the lines from what I expect from town-waynegg, though. I also think that his Night 2+ watcher claim is a hell of a fakeclaim if he's scum and not really like a bork fakeclaim (hard as hell to fake and hard to fake for a long time), although the role in and of itself is extremely strong. I was originally a little creeped out by Cabd's push on waynegg early because it felt like the mislynches Cabd-scum loves to push (he has a monopoly on the meta there for the most part, so he doesn't even have to show his work in pushing them) but ffery shutting that avenue early felt good to me. I also liked her reaction to mastin2; it felt less like the encased in ice reaction I would expect her to have to a push like that.

pieguyn doesn't feel as town as he did early game, but that probably has more to do with the 60 posts wasted in he and varsoon's back and forth that I most definitely did not follow that closely as opposed to a lack of towniness. His vote on TNE isn't bad, and his interactions with Varsoon after backing off seem pretty good to me.

Ghostlin/PA hydra hasn't done the Ghostlin thing where Ghostlin becomes horribly obvious town, so I'm still waiting on that townination to come. I liked him yelling at Cabd for the scumslip bit, though. Thez feels very, very town in his interactions with waynegg but I'm mostly skimming his posts so far.

SSK vote seems fine for now, TNE leans town for tone.

Vote: MafiaSSK

[Psychlone]

BRO's posting style seems to be becoming more and more like AP's every day :/

i don't like the continued flippancy from thezmon.

i don't like pieguy being confused about stuff that isn't really confusing at all. and the attack on varsoon is pretty meh.

Neither of these things seem very interesting at all.

@pieguy,

no, not really.

1. what would have needed to happen for you

not

to consider a vote on thezmon opportunistic?
2. the first part isn't even scummy, and you

are

trying to say everything he does is scummy, so uh... yeah. the second part is kind of ironic but i don't really remember what this is referring to.
3. this didn't happen (he did point out the inconsistency in who you're attacking, but it wasn't "redirecting")
4. *shrug*
5. no
6. no
7. so what? this actually looks more town than scummy

plus it's not about whether or not you have a townread on BRO, but whether or not you

actually

think what varsoon did is scummy, and if you do, you should think BRO is equally scummy for it, regardless of your read on him. or double standards. whatever.

This was the point where I expected you to transition from a tne vote to a pieguy vote, but you kept that useless tne vote on. Why?

how's this going for you?

Pretty good, actually. Starting to get stuff sorted.

What stuff? What are your reads again?

yeah that's bullshit. you spent most of your time in xenogears interacting with AJ despite scum reading him from your replacement, and you were scumreading me there and still interacting with me in that game. e.g. this post where you both interact with me and call me scum, or this post shortly after it. you also interacted with ghostlin, and other people you were supposedly scum reading.

you need to die.

Unvote
Vote: waynegg

Why would waynegg lie about something this ridiculous as scum?

VOTE: Wayne

Your interactions with muffin and thez remind me of how you dealt with SK/Andy/Amrun in LotR.

But he wasn't scum there, was he...?

[Psychlone]

GiF get in here and talk.

To be honest, I'm quite de-synced from this game after last weekend. (At least I learned why the de-sync happens to me time to time.)
It's gonna take some time for me to recover, so wait til then.
I promise that I'll get back on the pace before this weekend.

[Psychlone]

What do you mean? I'm not following you...

This was directed at morph. The fact that ffery/GiF found it forced is strange, because I found it cheeky (in a natural way), and ffery and I are usually on the same page.

Hey wayne, you're not doing something I associate with town you. Do you know what it is? And if you do, why aren't you doing it this game?

RBO

are you always like this?

You sound so much like the narrator on the stanley parable.

All you do is pretty much commentate on everything people do for 1 time, and then you don't pursue anything after commentating.

Do you think that what their doing is for scum?
or for town?
Why can't you ever, EVER, pursue and/or explain what's wrong with the stuff you quote?

Plus, the only vote you did was a varsoon vote. ON THE WHOLE GAME
TO TOP IT ALL OFF
IT WAS THE MOST POPULAR WAGON OF IT'S TIME

Scuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmzzzzzzzzzz

GiF get in here and talk.

To be honest, I'm quite de-synced from this game after last weekend.

Really?

Yes.

So what are y'all talking about right now?
I wanna feel important and involved but in order to do so, I need to know what's going on and at this point, attempting to read the posts gives me headache.

[Psychlone]

Um, discard those first three quotes.

I never knew the site keeps the multiquote from hours ago <.<

[Psychlone]

Meh. Since they surfaced might as well as comment on those.

1. I don't have much exp with him, but nah, it still looks forced.
2. Not alignment-indicative, but I quoted it because it looked weird.
3. This post kinda looks like town TNE.

[Psychlone]

You lost me there.

[Psychlone]

Null
thenewearth - play the damn game.

I thought you were gonna show at least a bit of interest

[Psychlone]

Fair enough. I do suppose lynching a lurker is a totally useful and totally informative lynch.

Fair enough. I do suppose lynching a lurker is a totally useful and totally informative lynch.

Useful in that someone who's not even trying to play will not affect the rest of our gameplays in future times, and informative in that we have a wagon to analyze.

So I agree with you.

How are you feeling about TNE's recent posts?

How are you feeling about TNE's recent posts?

[Psychlone]

8. Psychlone (GuyInFreezer + Nachomamma8) <- GiF seems less serious in this game than what I know of his scumgame, but that's from my one completed game with him, which isn't even on this site, so I'm not sure how accurate that even is. I was thinking he didn't seem to be actually doing much and instead just responding to things, but disengagement explains that.

Just in case ppl are wondering.

[Psychlone]

Yes.

I meant what's with making japes at a legit reason to think someone's lying?

You lost me there.

I'm still lost.
Help me find my way there.

[Psychlone]

Ffery! Are you around?

[Psychlone]

I'm trying to do a super catchup in the next 10 minutes because I didn't know how busy GiF actually was and didn't know that I would have to carry the load in this game.

[Psychlone]

What does Bert have to do with this game?

Isn't Mastin Bert? Alts?

fucking lol hell no

[Psychlone]

Vote: mastin2

[Psychlone]

IF you are town, Nacho, this vote is bad and you should feel bad. (BUT NOTE THAT THIS IS A BIG FREAKIN HUGE WHOPPING "IF"!) Or, put another way...
If Nacho, </3.

If GiF...fuck off.

I've seen this reaction already.

[Psychlone]

I've seen it from him before, yeah.

[Psychlone]

Gonna OMGUS that.

VOTE: Mac

Vote: mastin2

I'll be blunt:

No.

IF you are town, Nacho, this vote is bad and you should feel bad. (BUT NOTE THAT THIS IS A BIG FREAKIN HUGE WHOPPING "IF"!) Or, put another way...
If Nacho, </3.

If GiF...fuck off.

I'll be blunt too.

Yes.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rude.

If it were some random player, I'd have no reason at all to call the vote on me suspicious. But when it's NACHO voting me? (Or, for that matter, Ghostlin not having me as a townread?) HELL YES. Voting me and having it be serious is a scumtell. A town-Nacho right now knows DAMN well and good that I'm town, here. A town-Ghostlin SHOULD know that I'm town, here, too. I fully realize the OMGUSy appearance of that. But I'm telling you that, yes. Them (AND ONLY SPECIFICALLY THEM) scumreading me IS a quite-justifiable reason to scumread THEM. Because I am not scum. Not in a million years is this my scumplay. If this were my scumgame, it'd be scummy-worthy scumgame, with me playing at 200% my normal maximum. And them, specifically them, not realizing it is setting off a TON of red flags.

It's one thing to be paranoid of me. That's natural. That's all fine and dandy. It's quite another to not analyze that paranoia and ultimately conclude it's just that. Thus, the reaction. It's either terrible, or it's scum. Either way, it's not a typical town-Nacho.

The sun.
The bright yellow sun.
It shines brightly over thee.

Too bright for thee, perhaps.
Too hot for thee, perhaps.

Fan away, fan away.
Fan away the heat with thy hand.
Fan away the heat with thy hand.

But what's the worth?
What is the worth of cooling thyself
When thy hands would be tired?

Why not let the wind?
Is the wind not enough for thee?
In this chilled November?

[Psychlone]

Hi.

[Psychlone]

Do you have a scumpile? Want to talk about it?

Kinda. Not solid yet though, given the time we spent on this game.
Not yet.

[Psychlone]

what is going on I don't even

Definitely not a breadcrumb!

[Psychlone]

This is Jake from State Farm Mafia 2, all over again.

For those of you who aren't Cabd and therefore unfamiliar with the game...
I was a JOAT-with-a-cop-guilty on D2.

I claimed the cop guilty.

Correct town play? Lynch the cop guilty.

What the town actually did? Lynch me. (Which, mind you, IS A RIDICULOUSLY BAD THING. Not just in that game via lynching the cop before the claimed guilty. In general, lynching Mastin will NOT go well for a town. Period. I can't think of a game where a town lynch on me has actually led to victory.)

I correctly identified it as being a ridiculously scum-driven wagon. I predicted all three scum were on. I was right! They were! (Granted...I thought it was ABR and Maenara, who were the two town players on it. It was actually DGB and Banksys Flareon who were the scum on the wagon, in addition to Magua the confscum.) And the exact same thing is happening here. I believe AP has a slogan which he adapted from some other player. Objectively bad play from an objectively good player being a decently-solid scumtell.

That's PRECISELY what's going on here. A town-Nacho would have realized by now that I am not scum. He KNOWS me. He knows this isn't my scum game. This isn't my approach as scum, this isn't my play as scum, this isn't my mindset as scum, this isn't my scum game at all. Like, 0% of my scum game. I am town. This is my townplay. He KNOWS it's my town game. I might not be an innocent child, but I practically am one. That he hasn't realized it is RIDICULOUSLY bad.

"Never judge a book by its cover", people often say.
The proper way to judge a book is to read and analyze.
Read, read, and read.

Assumption is fine, but it only goes so far.
That's what the plot twists are for. To shrug off the obvious assumption.
It misleads the readers until the certain point where readers are surprised to see such event even happening.

Plot twists are what motivates readers to continue reading the book.

[Psychlone]

V/LA for few days until the inheritance(?) issue is solved.

[Psychlone]

Mac's banter with Varsoon is awesome.

Also, Mac's latest catchup feels pretty good except for the rolefish on ffery/cabd.

yo this reasoning sucks

If it were some random player, I'd have no reason at all to call the vote on me suspicious. But when it's NACHO voting me? (Or, for that matter, Ghostlin not having me as a townread?) HELL YES. Voting me and having it be serious is a scumtell. A town-Nacho right now knows DAMN well and good that I'm town, here.

I don't scumread you as quickly and accurately as I used to. Twice I felt scum-mastin in the early game, didn't act on it, let scum-mastin coast. Don't you expect me to refine how I approach you after reading you wrong twice? I'm concerned with how you're handling your interactions with me so far today; in Walking Dead and Chain of Command, you ended up interacting with me more than you usually do to the point where it was excessive. Here, you're pretty much ignoring me and putting me in the "not worried about me yet pile" (perfectly okay), but you're clearly suspicious of us to some extent and not trying to push it at all. Why? Are you trying to fake paranoia of us and not going all the way in with it? Do you think reaching out to me wouldn't be effective? I expect you to seek some sort of reassurance in the early game if you're paranoia or at least get thoughts down on the table about things that I'm doing in case you die early.

The problem lies in how they're not assessing that and realizing it's just paranoia.

I get a lot of paranoid pings about your play from time to time, and usually, I shrug them off and say that I'm being paranoid. Usually when I see some things going wrong with your play I take a step back and give you some room because there are a lot of elements in your scumplay in your townplay so a couple of pings are very rarely anything definitive. This game, I acted on that paranoia instead of instantly dismissing it, and I'm extremely glad that I did.

Mastin, the more you ramble on about this shit the more I want to vote you just to make it stop.

It's not a case of the scum rambles, though.

I want to understand what Nacho is talking about, re having seen something like your OMGUS in another game.

So, Mastin read. Most of the things that I see from him are decent as far as him looking town goes; his dropping reads into the thread was good, his comments on the game state were good, his confidence in his own towniness was good. But I felt like most of his early game play was too focused on image maintenance as opposed to him scumhunting and looking town as a result of it; him going "whoops, I'm obvtown already" in his #14 felt good at first because it was very confident and a hard thing to sell as scum that early in the game with a straight face. His analysis at that point was seriously lacking, though, and I don't see what sort of things mastin did at that point to make him call himself obvtown; hence niggles. Him correcting me on his scum meta? Good at first because it's a ballsy thing to do, right? But why would he do it as town? If he's scumreading me for finding an excuse to townread him, I'd expect him to pursue that line/bring it up although I can see why he would focus on semantics.

...Six names, for 2-3 (depending on SSK) scum slots. Now, that's not to say I don't have reads on these players. I just feel like I need to explore each of them a bit.

This is a nice protown quote and all, but he doesn't actually end up exploring any of them for a very, very long time and soon loses pretty much all of his steam on the BROlynch he was so excited about earlier but doesn't explain why.

I think that mac's push on me and a lot of his long-winded posts are a bit too forceful/making tons of appeals, even flimsy ones. I'm used to town Mac having a lot less venom.

Scum-Mac has even less venom.

but lack of content from gif is scaring me.

GiF has things going on and didn't learn about until recently. He'll be back in a week or so, so you'll have to deal with me in the meantime.

Ugh that game gives both heads PTSD.

HA

I'm hitting skim mode because reads are pretty decently developed at this point but

[Psychlone]

Vote: BROseidon

TOWN BLOCK:
{morph, mastin2, Mac, pieguyn, Varsoon, (waynegg who is probably town because claim but still)}

I'm willing to give AA9 a fuckload of room since we're pretty much immortal based on the number of PR claims outed at the moment and I'm guessing she'll be caught up by Day 3 or so.

[Psychlone]

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that I'm pretty sure I caught what your crumb was, and that the only reason I'm not conf-towning you is because I know Cabd is a gambit-ey player?

What's the benefit as scum with the claim?

Nacho your trajectory on your mastin read is literally garbage.

Is literally great, actually. Why don't you like it?

[Psychlone]

This makes it look like you should be scumreading mastin.

It does. I'm not scumreading mastin though.

[Psychlone]

should i fakehammer?

You thought he was serious...?

[Psychlone]

Spoiler: Nacho

I'm concerned with how you're handling your interactions with me so far today; in Walking Dead and Chain of Command, you ended up interacting with me more than you usually do to the point where it was excessive. Here, you're pretty much ignoring me and putting me in the "not worried about me yet pile" (perfectly okay), but you're clearly suspicious of us to some extent and not trying to push it at all.

I haven't been pushing you

because you haven't been around for me to push!

I've been referencing you often, I've been mentioning you, I've been doing some minor pushing of you, including referencing how you're not around (itself a push), yet that last part is important; you not being around means that I can't push you. I can't get anything effective out of suddenly voting your slot, now, can I? Which is, again, precisely one of the reasons I'm so concerned, in that you haven't been around for me TO push. I can't get a good read on you one way or the other if you're not around to interact with me. Hell, the only reason you're not scum is because I recognize that you're bogged down in life (thus, it's PROBABLY alignment-null), and that I'm getting similar vibes to Xenogears, in that my suspicion on you and your handling of it looks identical. (BUT IT IS STILL SUSPICION ALL THE SAME!)

I expect you to seek some sort of reassurance in the early game if you're paranoia or at least get thoughts down on the table about things that I'm doing in case you die early.

Well, I was going to, but basically, assuming two mislynches, I've got a free ride to mylo, maybe even lylo. The scum aren't going to nightkill me with so many power role claims floating around. If they DID, it'd tell you that I was more of a threat to them than the power roles themselves, which is reasoning enough to iso me.

But I felt like most of his early game play was too focused on image maintenance as opposed to him scumhunting and looking town as a result of it; him going "whoops, I'm obvtown already" in his #14 felt good at first because it was very confident and a hard thing to sell as scum that early in the game with a straight face. His analysis at that point was seriously lacking, though, and I don't see what sort of things mastin did at that point to make him call himself obvtown; hence niggles. Him correcting me on his scum meta? Good at first because it's a ballsy thing to do, right? But why would he do it as town? If he's scumreading me for finding an excuse to townread him, I'd expect him to pursue that line/bring it up although I can see why he would focus on semantics.

My play was focused on me because that's the only thing I could really think of to do. I was having trouble getting into the game. Hell, I still am, despite being so close to deadline. I've been doing as much analysis as I can cram in, but often-times, it's lacking that final push, that strength, that I really need. Also, shame on you. I was obvtown even back then, and the obvtowniness has only gotten stronger. I corrected you on my scum meta because I felt like it.

This is a nice protown quote and all, but he doesn't actually end up exploring any of them for a very, very long time and soon loses pretty much all of his steam on the BROlynch he was so excited about earlier but doesn't explain why.

Because it's fairly self-evident that my reads have been so much in-flux over the course of the day as to be a complete and total, utter, entire mess?

I will give credit where credit is due. BRO's right, Nacho. I don't like your trajectory on me. At all. That said, I'm not suddenly buddy-buddy with BRO. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I don't need to be active in order for people to push against me. The largest thrust of the push against me in Xenogears was the fact that I wasn't active, but that didn't prevent me fom drawing a good portion of heat for a very, very long time. You referenced me not being around a couple of times and maybe how you weren't that comfortable with me, but you never dug your heels in and went "Nacho is not around because he's scum" or "hey, Nacho, what are your thoughts on me?". For the majority of the game until your response to my vote, all mentions of me were small and dismissive in a way that didn't at all seem like mastin getting worried about Nacho.

That makes sense.

I agree that you have gotten more obvtown lately, but that has been more of a result of you doing some things lately that are closer to the unfakeable realm as opposed to odd behavior because double power roles outed and not being sure of things and you playing strangely around my play this game.

What is wrong with my trajectory? I made an early push on you because I didn't like your interactions with me and I figured taking care of sorting you now was better than the usual formula of paranoia and erase it on my own since tha has failed me twice now, but your response to my suspicion was very town, and so I backed off.

[Psychlone]

That's enough for you to townread them?

Other than Ghost, there's no player I feel confident enough reading to go from unsure to town in that duration of posts, given the overall length of this game.

Don't you and Ghost play together offsite?

[Psychlone]

Aside from their softclaim and how they've been handling it, the overall vibe from their posting is definitely the town-them I'm used to seeing

what's the difference between town-them and scum-them?

because morph this game has felt off to me and i'm not really sure why so many people are town-reading them when nothing about their play has struck me as particularly town. they've been all over the place and kind of a mess, and i'm not seeing the sort of confident stances i'm used to seeing from the ffery head. it really feels like they've just been going with the flow of things for most of the game and trying not to draw much attention to themselves.

Plus, they've invoked a holy-Mastin tell of "I'm not used to you not townreading me" similar to you in Xenogears

if that's a holy tell for you, why was i never anywhere near your tier-1 town reads in xenogears?

he has nothing else to say besides a fake fakehammer, which doesn't even do anything?

is there something in particular you wanted me to comment on? i was fine with BRO being at L-1 and not much had happened that i felt was worth mentioning.

hang on children...i didn't had a chance to catch up...
but i will contribute something in few hours....

Mastin, i am not scum. now stop pushing for my lynch

Morph the cat - which heads involved here???

Bro - I am town. there is no need to push for my lynch today. I am looking at the wagons right now. I ll make my decision soon.

I don't need you to catch up in order to play. Just start posting.

[Psychlone]

Two things....

I can't explain Thez's play.. To be honest.. He reads as scum every game he plays.. its just his reputation. Trust me on this!!!
Why should you believe me? - You will becuz i am town and when i am town.. i will sort things out.. that's how i am.

back to the discussion..

the deadline is near.. I know i have to make a decision today but i want to interact bit more with BRO, his push on me is little odd but i can do a quick ISO and make a decision about him

And about TNE, I am clueless... so i will have to see what's his deal. TNE derps a bit so i am not surprised about his wagon.

This is a good start, though.

[Psychlone]

If you're going to replace into a 60-page game, you should have the ability to catch up enough within the first deadline to make an informed decision, instead of posting no content and being all, "OH EM GEE, I HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH TIME TO CATCH UP"

lol, I just expected that you might pull this topic..and here you're...

So it was a policy lynch becuz i am bad player...
And i am bad player becuz i played bad in couple of games
again, you read thez slot as scum and that made me scum..

^ the above didn't work.. now blaming me about my ability to catch up?
Are you challenging me BRO?

And this is a good follow up.

[Psychlone]

BRO, what is your read of Ghost?

[Psychlone]

Town.

Why?

[Psychlone]

Why would there be a town flavor cop in a game where claiming your flavor is a bad idea?

Extra ???s on this one.

[Psychlone]

wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

Sounds like a scum role. Like role cop. For a flavor intensive game.

Skim votes on Wayne make a hell if a lot more sense.

[Psychlone]

I'm the one in this hydra who hates policy lynches. Me. ffery.

you seem fine with it

Are you thinking that Wayne's pulling a last minute crazy thing to keep BRO in the game one night?

i don't actually see what's so wrong with his recent posts that warrants a last-minute policy lynch

explain it to me like you think i'm dumb (if you don't already)

The lies were what sold it for me, I don't know about you.

[Psychlone]

like i've seen inconsistencies before, but generally someone doesn't forget what they fake-claimed

He forgot his fake claim whether he was scum or town, so this point is extremely weak.

[Psychlone]

You apparently don't know what the word "risk" means.

Risk...?

[Psychlone]

I don't really understand where muffin is coming from, but I seriously doubt they are scum together even as a gambit. I can't see Wayne as town accept his lynch sitting down and I can't understand where he was coming from with his gambit. Night 2 watcher means he doesn't have to fake results until N2, but it also means no one would shoot him until N2? Scum way egg would forget his claim, but so would town egg... But the play afterwards looks nothing like "shit I fucked up" and everything like "caught, lynch me".

[Psychlone]

The lies were what sold it for me

what lies?

"I'm a watcher"
*doesnt deny being cop*
Maybe I'm just drawing the nk?

[Psychlone]

What do you think Wayne is?

[Psychlone]

As in, what role do you think he has?

[Psychlone]

You think he forgot to affirm that when being called a cop, then said "maybe I'm trying to draw the kill", then said "ffery, listen to your gut", then said "kill me." as a town n2 onward watcher?

[Psychlone]

vote: waynegg

[Psychlone]

Yep. I don't think that he would not correct his oversight if he fucked up as town. I don't think he would play so strangely after being called out as scum. I don't think he would resign himself to the lynch with no chance at redemption if town, especially if he was a strong pr but even if he thought his gambit was made with a good purpose.

[Psychlone]

Your defense of him looked strange to me because all of these factors seem like gotcha things, obvious, not something that is too hard to see. I don't think you would defend him as scum like that even a little bit because his time is pretty much up. My initial worry was that you were white knighting him for town cried later, but defending an obv lynch like this doesn't give you much in the way of cred, so I'm mostly reassured on that front.

[Psychlone]

Arc came out to play!

[Psychlone]

VOTE: AA9

Nice jeweled branch you got there, scum.

What?

[Psychlone]

VOTE: Broseidon

[Psychlone]

Sorry, got insanely distracting reading touhou flavor in order to figure out what the evil branch of impurities thing was about. Read up on most of the exchanges, and arc is insanely town. I think post #2029 was my favorite!

[Psychlone]

0/10 Nacho y u so bad at reading me

I'm not reading you this time!

[Psychlone]

Talk about that Mac read while I get some thoughts out myself

[Psychlone]

honestly, I think TNE derping around all night in the neighbor chat is more of a towntell than anything, and at worst null.

Why is it a towntell?

I'm also eyeing giffycho for being on every single significant wagon.

If I'm not on every significant wagon, I'm probably scum and letting a mislynch go through.

yeah that's the other thing. both are active elsewhere, so I don't understand their inactivity here. for me it'd make a lot of sense if the inactivity was due to them rolling scum 0.0

I was inactive for a significant chunk D1 because of communication between GiF and I led to me maintaining activity in other games while leaving him to handle this one. Once I figured out his shit was more serious than mine, I was pretty engaged. Day 2 was special because it was short as hell and AA9 came off looking ridiculously town, so there's that.

i want to say that aa9 is no way conf. town from the bro flip. she seems very town here but i wouldn't put it past bro to realise he was dead during day two and to use this to try and conftown his partner; he has absolutely no trouble doing this as scum. see sabotage mafia, where he suicided on his scumbuddy in order to give her a free pass. i can see shades of it being similar here.

AA9's reaction was too genuine for it to be scum theatre, though.

[Psychlone]

I wouldn't mind massclaiming today.

[Psychlone]

TOWN:
Mac
pieguy
ArcAngel9

LEAN TOWN:
zmuffinman

LEFTOVERS:
2. Ghostly Penguin
9. thenewearth

Here are where my thoughts stand right now. It's a Thursday, meaning I'm bit less articulate than usual, but I'll get something up after massclaim. I want GP to go first.

[Psychlone]

hey, i'm gonna get some food and then decide what i want to do with this game

[Psychlone]

Yeah that quote was weird

[Psychlone]

Well either that

But someone broke in and I dunno what that person did (or so the notice said)

Interesting.

[Psychlone]

Tne had a very decisive push on Mac that feels town as fuck, shakes up reads a bit. Muffin gets downgraded first, it I should look at Mac again

[Psychlone]

He has a good scumread in tne that he's probably going to lynch, and who is probably going to flip scum. Usually town with scum in the steel trap aren't prepared to let go so easily and go "man it's a shame that we don't have mislynches or I could totally roll over and die".

[Psychlone]

VOTE: Mac

Can't do too much catchup on the iPad, so I'll drop this here in the hopes of jumps tarting mass claim and see how I feel in the morning.

[Psychlone]

Eh, the few Ghostlin posts do seem pretty good. It's a shame there aren't more of them,

[Psychlone]

Was that a hammer?

[Psychlone]

It was a hammer that didn't hurt as much as I thought it would.

[Psychlone]

Again?

[Psychlone]

I mean if muffin is scum we can just lynch him tomorrow, which is why I'm not alarmed.

[Psychlone]

That would be dumb.

[Psychlone]

for the record, I found it weird cause why didn't he say it yesterday? That was the day before MyLo which is functionally the same thing as LYLO o.o

again cause morph hammered yesterday without realizing it > < unless that was really intentional

What

[Psychlone]

It definitely did look like that, hilariously enough.

[Psychlone]

I'm gonna do other things now.

[Psychlone]

I would totally be this much of a dick in post game

[Psychlone]

Yes! 100 posts!

[Psychlone]

keep posting or pray that scum don't kill you tonight for some reason

[Psychlone]

Anyways, I think my suspicions of Muffin are dumb. I was sort of chuckling about our Mac double hammer on the way over here, and the fact that we synced up to the point of putting two votes on mac in two minutes tells me that we're thinking the same way, in a way that would be one hell of a feat if Muffin was scum. This suspicion will be blown out of the water if Mac flips scum because then he would be bussing for no reason when there are plenty of mislynches available, but towniness will still probably hold if Mac flips town.

[Psychlone]

I have no idea what happened with TNE's power, but it seems like something he probably wouldn't come up with if he was scum. In HunterxHunter, TNE got caught out on a fakeclaim and ended up fakeclaiming a not so creative jailkeeper and getting #rekt on it. I can't see him fakeclaiming like this, although the losing power thing is strange. Scum vanillaizer could be a possibility, but that points very strongly to Mac scum so that doesn't help much. Otherwise, roleblocker? Also points to Mac scum.

[Psychlone]

There's a possibility it was a one-shot and TNE didn't notice it, but that seems crazy unlikely.

[Psychlone]

what did you think that said?

[Psychlone]

pieguy's town, obviously. it occured to me that his role isn't 100% guaranteed to be town (since two scum killing powers wouldn't be that big of a deal i guess) but it's pretty close and his play is very very town.

[Psychlone]

AA9's genuineness seemed too poignant to be faked. Morph's assessment of their play was really good.

[Psychlone]

(since two scum killing powers wouldn't be that big of a deal i guess)

wat

k night for real now

two kills = 1 mislynch

[Psychlone]

TNE town, Ghostlin probably town...

[Psychlone]

no ghostlin not probably town

[Psychlone]

OK. I am a role delayer (delays all actions for a night, including factional abilities), and I am going to delay Ghostguin tonight if Mac flips scum. If I die, they are confirmed town and scum is somewhere in Muffin/AA, lean AA right now. If there is no kill, we lynch the hell out of Ghostguin and fuck the consequences. If Mac flips scum, forget I said anything.

[Psychlone]

If Mac flips town*, forget I said anything.

[Psychlone]

We targetted Varsoon N1 because we figured he was going to immediately die and we wanted his protections to at least have the chance of being useful. No action N2.

[Psychlone]

we were scared of hitting an investigative role.

[Psychlone]

...

That was the sexiest quickhammer I've ever seen in my life.
But that felt ridiculously town, though.

[Psychlone]

Might as well as tell us the q you asked in neighbor qt?

[Psychlone]

Oh ok.

[Psychlone]

TNE/GP.

[Psychlone]

Still think AA9 is town, even if nacho seems to think otherwise.

[Psychlone]

I AM A PERFECT MAID

[Psychlone]

unless you both are scum and this was really LYLO

how would today be lylo unless 3 scum?

We culted AA9, obviously.

[Psychlone]

I have no idea what happened with TNE's power, but it seems like something he probably wouldn't come up with if he was scum. In HunterxHunter, TNE got caught out on a fakeclaim and ended up fakeclaiming a not so creative jailkeeper and getting #rekt on it. I can't see him fakeclaiming like this, although the losing power thing is strange. Scum vanillaizer could be a possibility, but that points very strongly to Mac scum so that doesn't help much. Otherwise, roleblocker? Also points to Mac scum.

Yeah it seems unlikely...
Unless he's coached properly in scum QT.

[Psychlone]

Morph y u dead when I need u

[Psychlone]

I'm sorry mastin ill make sure that scumbag GP dies tomorrow.

[Psychlone]

Also why is Yukari VT

I am so disappointed.

[Psychlone]

Let's be mason muffin

[Psychlone]

:<

[Psychlone]

me? Playing?
I barely posted except for early d1!

[Psychlone]

Well kinda.

Also I'm sad that no one asked me about the poem I wrote.
It wasn't a fluff at all.

[Psychlone]

Gonna OMGUS that.

VOTE: Mac

Vote: mastin2

I'll be blunt:

No.

IF you are town, Nacho, this vote is bad and you should feel bad. (BUT NOTE THAT THIS IS A BIG FREAKIN HUGE WHOPPING "IF"!) Or, put another way...
If Nacho, </3.

If GiF...fuck off.

I'll be blunt too.

Yes.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rude.

If it were some random player, I'd have no reason at all to call the vote on me suspicious. But when it's NACHO voting me? (Or, for that matter, Ghostlin not having me as a townread?) HELL YES. Voting me and having it be serious is a scumtell. A town-Nacho right now knows DAMN well and good that I'm town, here. A town-Ghostlin SHOULD know that I'm town, here, too. I fully realize the OMGUSy appearance of that. But I'm telling you that, yes. Them (AND ONLY SPECIFICALLY THEM) scumreading me IS a quite-justifiable reason to scumread THEM. Because I am not scum. Not in a million years is this my scumplay. If this were my scumgame, it'd be scummy-worthy scumgame, with me playing at 200% my normal maximum. And them, specifically them, not realizing it is setting off a TON of red flags.

It's one thing to be paranoid of me. That's natural. That's all fine and dandy. It's quite another to not analyze that paranoia and ultimately conclude it's just that. Thus, the reaction. It's either terrible, or it's scum. Either way, it's not a typical town-Nacho.

The sun.
The bright yellow sun.
It shines brightly over thee.

Too bright for thee, perhaps.
Too hot for thee, perhaps.

Fan away, fan away.
Fan away the heat with thy hand.
Fan away the heat with thy hand.

But what's the worth?
What is the worth of cooling thyself
When thy hands would be tired?

Why not let the wind?
Is the wind not enough for thee?
In this chilled November?

[Psychlone]

Sorry Mac.
Ill make sure I yell at nacho when he's around and lynch that scumbag GP tomorrow.