Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[waynegg]

Sorry. But chasing your tail had its purpose. Promise.

[waynegg]

VOTE: thezmon

[waynegg]

actually, the more i look at it, the more i think thez's reaction to the dayvig was town. i don't see thez-scum thinking it's a good idea to discredit someone who has claimed dayvig and isn't particularly fond of him. he'd be walking a fucking fine line hoping pieguy takes a shot at mafiaSSK over him.

also

I'd like to move thezmon up, but I don't really feel like I can justify it beyond "gut" right now

was this based on particular posts or just an overall gut feeling?

And you don't jump on me for immediately calling the vig fake. Interesting.

[waynegg]

Can we just lynch thez yet?

[waynegg]

Bert you're better than that. Is this a Castle or Touhou?

[waynegg]

Look at the Castle game and tell me.

[waynegg]

What does Bert have to do with this game?

Isn't Mastin Bert? Alts?

[waynegg]

Ah.

[waynegg]

Well,reading Mastin here was like reading Bert there. I thought they were one in the same.

[waynegg]

Why the opposition to thez lynch?

[waynegg]

Says the scum...

[waynegg]

Baaaaa! Baaaa baaaaaaaaa!

VOTE: Varsoon

[waynegg]

VOTE: Mastin

[waynegg]

Mastin is actually defending. Instead of going mute. Just saying...

[waynegg]

Nope.

[waynegg]

He disappeared in Xenogears when he had pressure and came back only after the initial push on him died. If he'd been lynched it would be a better comparison, but he didn't really defend himself.

[waynegg]

I'm All for blindly eliminating derp so there're no distractions if a viable scumspect doesn't surface. I like thez, Mastin, psych, morph in that order.

Thez I've said plenty
Mastin because I think this is his scum game
Psych because if Mastin's town, then yeah
Morph because they're the kind of players to recover if anything I hit on was legit

[waynegg]

And yet again, if you thought that mastin was scum

Why were you voting thez?

Or we can JUST lynch this. Because it's soooooooooooo improbable to have more than one scum read...

[waynegg]

I don't understand your comment re lynching us. BoP?

[waynegg]

Just tell me when to hammer

[waynegg]

L-1

[waynegg]

Pshh. Only scum doesn't have to read

VOTE: Varsoon

[waynegg]

UNVOTE:

[waynegg]

You had 5 votes on you Varsoon. Calm down!

[waynegg]

Because I've never seen anything like that from Varsoon...wait...

[waynegg]

That's why I claimed. And then you stopped reading and went derp. You had it coming for abandoning. So, turn that finger around

[waynegg]

Don't hate.

[waynegg]

It's much more fun to laugh.

[waynegg]

I bet cabd fell off his couch...

pedit play the game and see what you come up with. Scumhunt. Do stuff.

[waynegg]

Your crumb was too obvious. If I picked it up, and I suck at crumbs, you were dead anyhow.

[waynegg]

It was a coin toss Varsoon. Your play didn't feel town and was making your crumb look more like a role fish. Scum would know better. Just saying.

[waynegg]

I bet cabd fell off his couch...

pedit play the game and see what you come up with. Scumhunt. Do stuff.

I don't want to anymore. You guys are assholes.

Not fair. Look at it from the shoes of others.

[waynegg]

Is there anyone you're absolutely certain is town?

[waynegg]

You're usually decent on Mac. Why is he scum? You mean you aren't going to Doc me tonight?

Pedit. Do I gotta pull it up? Did you really miss that?

[waynegg]

why the fuck have you claimed

I'm at L-3, about to leave for work, and everyone believes I'm an open book for cabd. I was expecting a quick lynch before I got off work to say anything else as a result. Besides, I feel pretty good someone will have my back.

[waynegg]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that leave two on Varsoon. Assuming town jumped off and it would count as a major wagon, wouldn't that leave at least a 50/50 of one of those 2 being scum? Who are they?

[waynegg]

There were actually only 4 votes going back and looking at it ~ Mac, Morph, Pie, me

[waynegg]

I bet cabd fell off his couch...

Not really. It's not like I have an exclusive contract with the gambit gods.

Laughing. Fell off laughing.

[waynegg]

And what I think is the most important question of all of this: Where the fuck are muffin and thez?

QFT

[waynegg]

Heads muffin, tails thez. Who's calling it?

[waynegg]

I think you were right before, V

[waynegg]

VOTE: Mac

[waynegg]

Yes

[waynegg]

What makes you think so?

Also, I'm good with a mac lynch.

Vote: Mac

Lurking and skipping the recent hubbub so he can come in tomorrow and act all surprised with some fake pour it on about how I should feel bad and blahblahblah.

[waynegg]

How about bury that comment and see?

[waynegg]

That's a sticky question. I'll just say something like that.

[waynegg]

Sorry, I'm just not comfortable with answering those kinds of questions. I screw up on my own without provocation, so I give those qs a wide berth.

[waynegg]

He was around

[waynegg]

Huh...no Beetlejuice...

[waynegg]

If Mac ever flips and he's scum, he has a habit of not interacting with other scum. The only two players he hasn't interacted with are thezmon and BRO.

[waynegg]

Stale is still edible. Don't forget it when I'm gone.

[waynegg]

He's had ample opportunity to interact with both and has passed on it.

[waynegg]

Several of is have voiced our suspicions of thez. Several others theirs on BRO. We all have our shortcomings, but Varsoon is pretty good with Mac. So, that's the scum team as far as I'm concerned and I'll live and die by it. I won't be obnoxious pushing it, but I probably won't follow any other wagon for now.

[waynegg]

And these are my untouchables

11. Varsoon
7. pieguyn
6. Morph the Cat (fferyllt + Cabd)
13. zMuffinMan
8. Psychlone (GuyInFreezer + Nachomamma8)

[waynegg]

Psych lone because of experience with GiF. That long interaction with Muffin let me get a solid read on him. You'll see when it happened if you look back and see when the conversation started being a two way street.

[waynegg]

He was around

actually, I was asleep. nice try though.

Nope.

[waynegg]

That's fine. And when I flip town, because I will, remember to go back to my scum list. It's accurate. Not

everyone

is a Batman villain Varsoon...

[waynegg]

He's just frustrated I won't give an answer about how I know Mac was lurking last night, but he was and now he's lying about it so yea.

[waynegg]

You were right about Mac...

[waynegg]

8am is the wee hours?

[waynegg]

I'm in the central time zone, which is GMT - 6 hours. I posted at 2am. 2+6=8. Not that it matters. Just keep it in mind when I'm gone.

[waynegg]

Lol!

[waynegg]

We went to winter hours (dst) a couple of weeks ago too <3

[waynegg]

yeah i see bro's wall here very similar to this wall from gears. pretty sure he's town.

I've never seen anything like this before. Like, ever. Hmm...yeah, sticking to my vote

[waynegg]

@wayne:

can you explain your vote on Varsoon plz? as soon as I saw it I thought you had a certain thing in mind, but I haven't seen said certain thing yet.

Can I or will I? Yes, I can.

[waynegg]

But, I will as well.

I thought he was scum, I saw he was lazy, and I pulled an insidious gambit on him to claim Doc (since he hadn't already...) so he would be donkey punched tonight and cost TIWN a pivotal town role if his claim has an ounce of truth to it. Because doing one for one trades with town is the best way to win as scum...

[waynegg]

...but you were there and already know all this, so why ask?

[waynegg]

That WAS a serious answer. Just with a touch of sarcasm from the night sun.

[waynegg]

I was thinking there was someone who was scumreading someone for sheepy votes, and so you were trying to see if he'd accuse you of doing the same thing. but apparently that wasn't it .-.

for the record he didn't and now I have to go back and look to see who it was

I have no problem with sheepy votes.

[waynegg]

I dunno mastin, arcangel slot is still a scumread of ours as well. Muffin kind of put a bandaid on it, but none of the recent events have helped, and those damn bandaids always fall off as soon as you get used to them.

Use Curad cloth bandages then.

[waynegg]

The towniest name in there is the conf-town.

Wait...

How the fuck does that support your point?

Because it accentuates the negative. There's only one player. ONE. DAMN. PLAYER. On that wagon. That looks good. All the rest. The entirety of them. Look bad.

I'm going to be a bit lazy here and question off one post instead of separating them...

BRO, how the hell are any of (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn)

confirmed

anything? Last I checked there's no announced IC and none of the players listed have flipped.

Consider this intent.

Mastin, which of that list is "the ONE"?

Gonna read things in a bit, but I did a little thinking on things overnight.

Frankly, I don't think BRO is anything other than scum. I really, really don't. Everyone else, I can see as being town, but dammit, I don't care how TunnelVisiony this sounds, I can't see him as being town. Now that said...who else is there?

I thought about GP.

I'm not sure on it.

But I do think Ghostlin's town.

I also think TNE's town. I'm mainly looking at {thezmon221, Psychlone, Mac} as containing the other two scum, 'cause I really, REALLY think that Varsoon's town (his claim is not as implausible as you may think it to be), pie's basically conftown, I still think that wayne's town, moroph's also town, and while my townread on zMuff continues to waver, he's still overall town to me. TNE's just not feeling like scum to me. Which leaves those four, for three scum slots, and one of them looking like BROseidon.

I know.

This doesn't feel right. A lot of Mac's posting looks like town. (Even though a lot more looks like scum.)

There's not particularly a lot wrong about thezmon's posting, either, also looking minorly town. (Even though it being scum is not impossible.) Hell, even Psychlone's not too terribly off. Of my townreads, GP's the weakest. But I can't shake this being their town selves right now.

Basically, reworded... (strongest to weakest)
{

Pie

, Varsoon, morph, wayne} are megatown.
{zMuff, TNE} are both quite town.

GP's sorta-town.

{BRO, thez, Psychlone, Mac} (Psychlone and Mac are interchangeable) all have things which could make them town, but are basically less town than the remainder.

I wish I could flip the switch, right here and now. It sounds like I've got things narrowed down via POE, right? The problem is in my utter lack of confidence in these. Because while I believe them, while this is basically the only thing that I can see...I just don't think it feels right. Like one of my major townreads has to be wrong. Despite how none of them feel wrong. Pie, Varsoon, and morph all in particular feel town, and hell, I'm basically at the point where off of my gut I'd be calling TNE more town than zMuff. All of those are strong. I don't think I'm going to waver on any of them. But that still leaves too much. I don't think nor want wayne to be scum, but no matter how much I try, I can't push myself to see him as that 95% town. No matter how much I try, I keep on thinking that I might have been wrong about zMuffin, despite everything logically saying he's town. And that's ridiculously bad so close to deadline, but it's all I've got.

And could you be a little more noncommittal on Mac?

[waynegg]

AA ~ take notes while you read. Copy/paste onto a word file or the like is neither hard nor time consuming.

[waynegg]

BRO, how the hell are any of (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn) confirmed anything? Last I checked there's no announced IC and none of the players listed have flipped.

Do you think scum would have an executioner in a 13p game?

That's not an answer. Try one of those instead. Pie hasn't killed anyone so still not confirmed.

Somebody throw a vote on BRO so my intent has teeth please.

[waynegg]

Ha! Totally missed that Pie! Derpme.

Still want that vote. BRO not giving a straight answer esta no bueno.

[waynegg]

Yep, facepalm isn't an answer either. It's a deflection.

So yeah, a BRO vote please so I can hammer his scumbutt

[waynegg]

You're really easy to troll. Lovely.

(it's just cabd and ffery, for the record)

lol. not true. I am just believer!!

what do you think of BRO?

And BRO, So which town games you referring that i didnt do anything as town? (Get me proofs)
let's just say even i dont do any shit as town.. so your recommendation is lynch that player not because they are scum but because they didn't hardly been useful??

You realize that i replaced into a 60 page day 1 mini theme game?
How many mini games actually gets 60 pages on day 1? so be considerable.. I am bit horrified to catch up. Even if i try reading game..

towards the end i will forget what my initial reads were...

[waynegg]

So yeah, a BRO vote please so I can hammer his scumbutt

wait for aa9 to read the game

Why? She won't even if she says she will. What's the point?

[waynegg]

AA9, why are you acting under the assumption that town don't try to avoid getting mislynched? "If you're scum, all you try to do is to divert the attention from you to someone which is exactly what you were doing" implies that town don't try to avoid getting mislynched.

I like how wayne disappears after I point out that I'd already answered his question multiple times in my ISO.''

I like how I'm playing several games that I have to catch up on from a day at work, a wife to pay attention to, dinner to eat, and a dirty ass to wash. Wanna make some more stuff up?

[waynegg]

We still have 1 day left. So I do want to utilize this time before i vote.
now dont rush for lynch please.

I've been here from that start. From my POV I'm not rushing.

[waynegg]

I think it's a good question. There's no reason to give anyone conf status. The only thing confirmed there is Pie killed someone.

[waynegg]

Or his slot anyhow...

[waynegg]

Not necessarily. It could indicate a weak scum team. A scumteam whose kills aren't guaranteed. A smaller than normal scum team. Or any one of several options. Time will tell.

[waynegg]

Me either. But I wanted to know why BRO is.

[waynegg]

And yet, you still haven't admonished me for not reading you right. And you've had days

[waynegg]

Yes, but you like to admonish me for not reading you right when you're town. This is different.

[waynegg]

Too l8

[waynegg]

BRO, how the hell are any of (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn) confirmed anything? Last I checked there's no announced IC and none of the players listed have flipped.

Do you think scum would have an executioner in a 13p game?

please shut the fuck up about this stuff btw i'm not interested in hearing about how bad a player AA9 is.

read the game already and stop posting useless shit

Why would scum do that instead of lazily pushing my mislynch through?

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

Narrative manipulation is a classic scum tactic, ftr.

[waynegg]

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

I think it's a good question. There's no reason to give anyone conf status. The only thing confirmed there is Pie killed someone.

[waynegg]

That's enough for you to townread them?

Other than Ghost, there's no player I feel confident enough reading to go from unsure to town in that duration of posts, given the overall length of this game.

Don't you and Ghost play together offsite?

That's me and penguin.

I'm better at reading Ghost.

You didn't answer my question.

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

I think it's a good question. There's no reason to give anyone conf status. The only thing confirmed there is Pie killed someone.

So we disagree on a point, and us stating our position back and forth at each other is going to do nothing to change it.

Glossing right over that, huh?

[waynegg]

Try that again...

You didn't answer my question.

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

I think it's a good question. There's no reason to give anyone conf status. The only thing confirmed there is Pie killed someone.

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

I think it's a good question. There's no reason to give anyone conf status. The only thing confirmed there is Pie killed someone.

So we disagree on a point, and us stating our position back and forth at each other is going to do nothing to change it.

Glossing right over that...

[waynegg]

We'll have to agree to disagree there...

VOTE: BRO

[waynegg]

And it also has little to do with your alignment. Know something else you do as town you haven't done? Directed the conversation off a side point that's irrelevant to the discussion of whether you're scum or not...

[waynegg]

Because ">>>Important: There are eyes and ears everywhere. Flavor Claim at your own risk in this game.<<<"

A Flavor Cop makes sense. But, they're everywhere so it doesn't make BRO not scum.

[waynegg]

wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

Sounds like a scum role. Like role cop. For a flavor intensive game.

[waynegg]

wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

Read post 1758 again. pay attention to the double negative.

What? I was writing a story . Let me give you my cell so I can be Johnny on the spot. You've never seen me double negative before, huh? And BRO's claim doesn't do anything for me.

[waynegg]

But I'm townie, and it seems you all want this. Moving with the herd... Wake me when something not boring happens.

UNVOTE:

[waynegg]

If he gets to L-1 I'll hammer so quick it'll make your head spin, so don't mistake that as me changing my read in the slightest.

[waynegg]

.....what the fuck
you seriously have nothing to say?

I just said stuff. What more do you want?

[waynegg]

I like your Muff

[waynegg]

Play a few more with me and you won't either. Pretty painting btw.

[waynegg]

spank my ass until it's blue, call me Sally, and tie me up for kinky fun times'

/in?

Haha! (sloppy) 2nd

[waynegg]

i didn't even understand what your point was until just now rofl

do you actually think that means anything?

well yeah it means his watcher claim was fake and that's why he didn't correct me when I said he was cop

how could it mean anything else

/wayne

[waynegg]

Play a few more with me and you won't either. Pretty painting btw.

What post are you replying to here?

no
I mean responding to how you claimed watcher, but then didn't correct me when I said you're cop.

is no one seeing how wayne blatantly lied

[waynegg]

Why? You both know me. And you know the mistakes I make. Is this one if 'em?

[waynegg]

Perhaps I'm neither and just trying to draw the NK.

[waynegg]

C'mon ffery. What's your gut screaming? Not your heart.

[waynegg]

Why? You both know me. And you know the mistakes I make. Is this one if 'em?

Didn't you claim this AFTER Varsoon claimed megadoc?

Nope.

[waynegg]

Mine was the first claim of the game.

[waynegg]

When you put me at L-3 right before work time dirtypool.

[waynegg]

are you claiming scum or what

hint: if you were trying to draw a NK you'd make sure your claim is consistent and not let people know that your claim might be false

Sure, why the hell not.

[waynegg]

Pshh. Only scum doesn't have to read

VOTE: Varsoon

HOLY FUCK YOU STUPID BASTARD

I'm 2-shot 2-player Doctor. I'm the best fucking role in this whole game. I already full claimed in post 604 in a quote. Anyone pushing my lynch is a fucking idiot, and I made my crumb obvious as all hell, ESPECIALLY recently.

[waynegg]

Nope, I'm not.

[waynegg]

Enough. If you're town this is so antitown I'll mark it down as one of the best policy lynches I've had to do ever.

And do explain how a lame duck doing this is antitown?

[waynegg]

wayne the answer is in the exact fkin post you quoted

I quoted 1269

[waynegg]

who posted these?

I would prefer to keep my policy lynch virginity intact

But but but muffin-kun; I'm scared. I hear the first time hurts? ...maybe if it's you. You won't make it hurt, will you?

Enough. If you're town this is so antitown I'll mark it down as one of the best policy lynches I've had to do ever.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: wayne

It weren't cabd or he would know better. Them three are ffery.

[waynegg]

Interesting. That's a lie.

[waynegg]

hi Cabd didn't ffery want you to definitely sort wayne

or was the result that you wanted to policy lynch him

He sorted Wayne. His exact words were "lynch the scumfuck".

This, not the pedits I skipped

[waynegg]

That's more like it. Tell him WWXIII Ascension of the Packmaster and keep the results of that to yourself.

[waynegg]

Put BRO at L-1 if you really wanna find out...

[waynegg]

Thanks. I needed that.

[waynegg]

I'm right here. Watching. Making a list. Checking it twice. Giving up who's naughty and nice.

[waynegg]

4

[waynegg]

I think I'm good on my list. Wagon ahoy and all that

[waynegg]

C'mon! This is taking too long! I wanna get back into my Feast for Crows already!

[waynegg]

why are you trying to get lynched

Just think of me as K at the World Fair

[waynegg]

Town

Pie

Muffin

TNE

Psychlone

AA

Varsoon



Scum

Morph cabd KNOWS I SLAYER, even cued him in, thinks they can slither out of it, don't let them, 1852 in a nutshell, too much hedging and building of wall of protection to deflect suspicion on "why he was wrong"

Mac Morph mentioned the phone updating thing and connected them because what they described is exactly how Mac appeared, and how would they know that (since I refused to go into detail) without knowing how often he was on?

GP that Weakest Link post says it all



Maybescum

BRO virtually interchangeable with GP

Mastin



Ok, so what does a lame duck do when he knows he won't last past N2 since the Doc is probably dead N1? He slays the scum with him. Basic slayer gambit. Take that list on faith. Morph is scum for sure. Cabd really messed up with that post. Send him to me. I want company

[waynegg]

Good luck town. You got duped by the scum, but it happens. Have fun with VCA!

[waynegg]

Pretty insulting for everybody to think I would play so obvious. I am exactly what I claimed in the first place!

[waynegg]

Just think of me as K at the World Fair

i don't hang with the cool crowd so i don't know what this is a reference to

Where does it say that it's objectively bad? All I see is that there's a risk to flavor claiming (ie, that it can hurt, but won't necessarily)

. . . . .

Men in Black when the bug ate K's gun he had to egg him on to eat him so he could get his gun back. Then he blew the bug apart from the inside. Kinda like a slayer gambit on the big screen. And a crumb to prove that was what I was doing.

[waynegg]

and that strategy is bullshit anyway because you might make the real PR counterclaim

You know nothing Jon Snow...

[waynegg]

In case peeps aren't familiar with Slayer

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... r's_Gambit

I would have been basically Vanilla until I was killed. That writing was already on the wall so I had to make my death as useful to town as possible.

Now I sleep.

[waynegg]

Tbf y'all had doc + watcher.

Our watcher had a jester wincon.

Was forced to out on a horrible read and then, well that's covered in dead QT. Whatever. Still a fun game.

[waynegg]

also it wasn't entirely wayne's fault that varsoon claimed

iirc you guys were also playing along with his "reaction test"

but that reminds me of another error that both wayne and varsoon made - early claiming

So I should believe nacho, GiF, and you ALL missed Varsoon's obvcrumb? Who was really informed of anything there?

[waynegg]

Very impressed Pie. Your play surprised me!