Mini 1633 ~ Non-normal Mafias Mafia OVER!!!

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I mean, why should your style affect my alignment?

And you should have said as much in response to my vote.

Well, I have now, when I'm more aware.

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I mean, why should your style affect my alignment?

And you should have said as much in response to my vote.

Well, I have now, when I'm more aware.

Would have meant more if you had done it before I called you out on it.

Yeah, well, too bad.

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You mean our hydra?

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I just sent you a message.
What spurred you to make 1036?
Did your opinion change in some way?

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if kill flavour matters, 2 gun kills is an auto ghostlin lynch.

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No.
Ghostlin claimed that there is one gun in the game.
If there are two gunshots (even if someone burns to death too), ghostlin is lying.

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Nope.
Gun Sensus.

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Midget is a good lynch that I would definitely switch to.

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Pasch and I are in thread Masons.

Eye, why are you acting entitled? 1026 is telling MTD "what he needs to do". It's not as if you're going to self vote if he does it. It reads of discrediting a case. If only he had done that, his scumread might be valid. Yet, you have been acting desperate not to be suspected all game.

No, but its not like people will consolidate if he doesnt. If a scumread on me has clear, thought out reasons that can be discussed, thats much better than a half-reasoned vote.

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Nope.
Gun Sensus.

Eyestott's case is shit. SK comes back as immune to investigation a lot. SK with gun flavor is not unheard of.

Why quote this post? Its correcting House about Ghostlins claim.

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Well, everyone knows that I would definitely prefer this to Pasch, so
VOTE: Titus
I told MTD he would see, but he didnt know what I was talking about. This is what I'm talking about.

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then switching to titus which seems like a wagon that isn't going to happen anyway

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Titus I don't like your townread on me.

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I'm just trolling MTD at the moment, as we're both in a voice call XD

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Vote stays.

Thats very uncooperative MTD. You should know better.

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I will change vote if needed but rn no wagon has more than 4 votes.

So, youll onmly be one of the last 2 votes on a wagon? Why? Thats just opportunistic.
P.edit: I dont know, but I'm just trolling him at the moment, as we're talking in voice chat.

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Yes, but I wasnt sure if you fully understood because of your 1076.

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From my role, which may or may not be a PR and may or may not be passive, I have high reason to believe this is multiball or an SK exists.

So definitely keep that in mind when you're scumhunting.

What do people think of this?
I know some people think i'm an SK, but to he others, what do you think?

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Yeah, thats what I thought.
Or like, a mafia Doctor.

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Oh yeah, thats a good point.

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Titus has 4 votes, actually.

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ftr I will consolidate to Pasch over Titus.

Depending on what happens it is very well possible that I would be willing to lynch Titus tomorrow though.

Get on one of them. Just consolidate.
If you do, I have a funny post lined up.

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Titus has 4 votes, actually.

Only if you're a doublevoter

This pinged me.
Just for future reference so either I can look at it tomorrow, or that people can look at it tomorrow if I happen to die.
I dont think I'm a likely scum kill, but Id bet that if there is an arson, Ill be the first target.

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Titus has 4 votes, actually.

Only if you're a doublevoter

This pinged me.
Just for future reference so either I can look at it tomorrow, or that people can look at it tomorrow if I happen to die.
I dont think I'm a likely scum kill, but Id bet that if there is an arson, Ill be the first target.

To clarify, it's not a big ping.
Just something I want to discuss tomorrow.

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You've given Literally next to no reasons.

Make an ika case or self vote. With deadline looming those are the only options. I will not be voting Om again.

Make a Pasch case or self vote. With deadline looming those are the only options. I will not be voting ika again.

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Was that funny, MTD?
Did I do well?

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I hate to say, it but I don't know that a Titus wagon is viable. Apart from MTD, the other three pasch voters are ika, Flubber, and four, who may not change votes to Titus in time.
They might, but all of the Titus voters are active.

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I say, we give it 12 hours.
We try and get people to switch to Titus, but failing that, we go to pasch.

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Okay, great.
Hey, Titus. Can you do us a favour and self vote? I mean, you obviously don't think its a strange request :p
There's also ghostlin, midget, and Pasch. Alongside ika, Flubber and fourtrouble.

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Imagine what would happen if Titus comes back to this game and sees she's been lynched already.

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Titus is now at L-1, FTR

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We really dodged a bullet there. What could the Belligerent modifier mean?

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Okay. why?

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OMG GUYS SCUM CLAIM
I can't really do anything to help clear up an unexplained vote. Are your reasons for scumreading me a secret?
Besides, I already know i'm being scumread by people.

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I thought you might have more reasons than what you outlined yesterday. I guess not.

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No RVS from me.
Not voting till I scumread.

This is the beginning of my scum read of him. Not the fact he didn't RVS, but the fact he felt it was necessary to point it out.

He addressed that, but I still don't like it.

If i do it as all alignments, then its not scum-indicative for me. Are you saying you think i do this only as scum?

I'm thinking of revealing a small piece of information I have about the setup.
I'm not too sure whether it would benefit town or scum more, though.

Since when is information bad for town? I'm not buying the thought process behind this post.

I never said the information would be bad for the town. I said that It might benefit scum more than town. Like, claiming cop day 1. it gives info to the town, but it gives info to the scum that outweighs the town gain.

I mean, I know of a specific (likely) antitown role that is almost definitely in the game.

Not necessarily a mafia.
I'm an extinguisher.
Now, the arson could be town too, but I'm not so sure.
He could be a 3P.

When has arsonist ever been town?

I think he's the arsonist with conflicting emotions, wanting to play a town game but restricted by his win con.

This game was conceived in a chevre chat where many "anti-meta" sentiments were expressed. I decided to mod a game that didn't "check off" any boxes..

Mod meta is useless for this game. Any role could be any alignment.

You didn't use that logic last game.
Metal, care to comment on my reveal, and the implications?

Holy shit om you are in this game too???

You gonna answer my question, kind sir?

Feels like he's concerned about whether town has an interest in outing the arsonist. Self-preservation?

I was trying to start discussion. You know that I tend to focus on role related stuff, and you know that I read people mainly through my interactions with me.

Oh crap, yeah.
like with me, don't say anything that you think will be antitown to reveal.

If he is town, how could he possibly reveal anything more than he has that would make it anti-town?
The fact he's not

preventing

fires, perhaps? (Unless he decides not to utilize his night actions, of course)

No, I was saying that like how i put thought into whether i should reveal or not, he should too.

We need to stop fuelling the discussion of the lurker lynch. Either we do it, or we shut up about it and focus on real hunting.
I will not comment on this anymore unless specifically asked to.

Seems kinda tryhard.

Explain. I'm trying too hard to stop futile discussion? is there a maximum amount of effort a player should put into something?

Thinking about it I don't know how to start the game up again because it's basically rvs, lurker bitching, then brakes.

All those in favor of a second rvs by page 19 say I.

How would it work?
This is not an invitation to vwte me.

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Why would he be concerned if people put a vote on him during a 2nd RVS? He seems paranoid af... but not of scum.

I wasnt concerned. As i made the post, I was thinking that flubber would probably just reply with: "Like this: Vote:eye", so I just said that as a sort of inb4. Why would I be concerned of RVS as any alignment?

This is just purely for symmetry. UNVOTE: . Now its a 5 way tie!
VOTE: FuD.

Where's the town motivation for that post? Scum/3P don't really care who's lynched, as long as it isn't them. I get the feeling from eyestott's general behavior that he has that same mindset.

It was a fluff post. I was being silly. Thats not scummy, or towny, or anything. All alignments can fluff. I voted, yes, but then immediately unvoted. In fact, I can show you a similar thing in another game, if you want.

Why do you think Om is not active? He is to me.

The Om focus is to generate conflict and force people to take sides and make reads easier. I could have focused on anyone but getting details from Pasch helps me read both.

Why do you not want to discuss Om? What is your read on him?

Sorry, the other active players.
I never said I didnt want to discuss Om.

I'm not sure on my Om read anymore.
Ill have another look at the case on him, then ill make a decision.

you are making me so much happier with random's vote
at the height of the argument you change your views without reason
now that the tables are beginning to turn so do you

I will explain this.
First though, can you tell me your scum reads, your town reads, and your null reads?
Reasoning is not needed.

Why would he not want reasoning for another player's reads? Those that don't want to post reasons aren't going to anyway.

Because I wasnt placing emphasis on the reasons, just the reads. Also, I wanted an answer quickly. I didnt say I didnt want reasoning, just that it wasnt needed.

VOTE: ika
Either a self vote from mafia to try and look town, or a self vote telling us that even if we mislynch him, his role is not powerful enough to be extremely detrimental.

Seriously? This isn't town-think.

why?

Spoiler: something unrelated that isnt necessarily informative

The three people voting me are all people who either replaced in, or werent here for the majority of the game. I'm not sure if theres a correlation, though.

Tries to disclaim his analysis while undermining his own wagon, in case someone calls shenanigans.

I like statistics and fun facts. This just seemed interesting, but not really indicative of anything. That's why I spoilered it.

You know what would be hilarious?

I think it would be hilarious if eyestott was the arsonist and there was no fireman in this setup at all.

I reckon eye is SK.

Why the hell would I claim a role like this? In fact, why would I have a role like this?

Because you're the arsonist.


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I believe eyestott is 3P, not groupscum.

If I was arsonist, sure, I might claim what I claimed. But, I'd also claim what I claimed, If what i claimed to be is true, yes?

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Om, could you please give your reasoning on why you believe me to be scum?

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We really dodged a bullet there. What could the Belligerent modifier mean?

this was what really tipped me over the edge to get on your wagon
the first part just fucking reeks like fake concern
also your whole play has been sketch as heck especially in ur interactions with yours truly
i have zero trust in you so it's basically a matter of what tips the iceberg and the quote is what did it

Well, cult leader lynch D1 is so much better than scum lynch D1, as the cult leader keeps growing in power, and we had no idea there even was a cult. If we had lynched Titus D2, there would still likely be a recruit. We got rid of a anti-town power role before it got a chance to do anything. I still think that we dodged a massive bullet there. Do you disagree?

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So you think i dont agree?

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i think you are faking concern

So you think i'm not happy we lynched a Cult Leader? If I were town, It would be real concern. If I were scum, it would be real concern.

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Could you see Town!eyestott opening the day with that?

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But there is firefighter, which is what that role is normally called.

Precisely. But he didn't know that, because he isn't one.

Why are you so sure i'm not an extinguisher?
If i was going to fake claim, surely id find the correct name. I'm not stupid.

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I definitely see the paranoia from Eye. A lot of what he says involves asking for reassurance or agreement from everyone else. At least with regard to his role. On that subject, I think it's very interesting that no one was burned (unless FourTrouble was and the mod isn't differentiating kill types - otherwise I assume he was the regular night kill). Eye should be rather eager to reveal who he prevented from being burned or prevented from burning others, whichever his power does. If Eye were a 3P killer, I don't think he'd be shy about using his power, and no one counteclaimed him as an "extinguisher" or anything like that, so I don't think that he's an arsonist. If he's a 3P, then there probably is no arsonist and he'd be a regular SK. But again, only the one kill last night. It's a bit perplexing.

But I generally agree about the seeming not to be on anyone's side and trying to look like he is. He doesn't seem to have an overall goal (scumhunting, coordinating with allies, etc), and seems to just be trying to float along. It's definitely food for thought.

I seriously doubt that Om or Midget put much thought into their votes, though. I'm really not liking how eagerly they hurled themselves onto this wagon, without reasons, and when asked Om refused to give any. I distrust any wagon she's in favor of at this point.

I targeted myself. I figured that, if there is an arsonist, I would be no. 1 on their hit list. I dont really have an overall goal right now, as I'm a late game player. I'm sub-par in the first few days, but i become useful after a massclaim.
Where have I asked for reassurance? I'm not saying I havent, but i'm just asking so I dont misinterpret what you're talking about.

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No, because is a doc self targeting anti town?

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I was trying to prevent a kill. I figured that, because of my reveal, the arson would try and get rid of me. I chose to protect the most likely target.

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A doctor prevents mafia kills.
An extinguisher prevents arson kills.

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If you were an arson, would you kill the claimed extinguisher?

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I am a flavor doc. I'm no use if i'm dead. Now that the arson (if he exists) knows I can self protect, its WIFOM whether he should try and kill me.

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Wiki entry for Fireman: "A Firefighter is a role that protects against fire-based kills. In traditional flavor, this only allows it to stop kills made by the Arsonist. In effect, it is a Doctor that only protects from Arsonists."

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what? I dont know what variant the arson is.
Please explain line 3.

P.edit: Well, look at the starting post.

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This game was conceived in a chevre chat where many "anti-meta" sentiments were expressed. I decided to mod a game that didn't "check off" any boxes....

Don't try and outguess the mod.
Nowhere does CooLDoG say you can't self target.
I was more likely to prevent a night kill by arson by targeting myself, as if I were an arson, I would kill the firefighter/extinguisher if they outed themselves.

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what? I dont know what variant the arson is.
Please explain line 3.

P.edit: Well, look at the starting post.

line 3 refers to sc2 arson

This game was conceived in a chevre chat where many "anti-meta" sentiments were expressed. I decided to mod a game that didn't "check off" any boxes....

Don't try and outguess the mod.
Nowhere does CooLDoG say you can't self target.
I was more likely to prevent a night kill by arson by targeting myself, as if I were an arson, I would kill the firefighter/extinguisher if they outed themselves.

nowhere doe he say you can either...

your also missing that an asron has the power of .5 kills (due to the fact it takes at least 2 nights, one to douse and one to burn)

Please explain line 3 better than you did originally, eg. grammar. I dont understand what you were trying to say.
Okay, I dont think youre being genuine. When you mod, do you say whether roles can self target in the opening post? When I mod, i say that a role may not self target unless otherwise specified. That has not been said. Dont outguess the mod in this game.

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I dont think youre scum, i just didnt think that you completely believed that point.

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I can't remember who said this, but I didn't jump on the eye wagon, I decided to vote him in the night phase.

Today

he is trying to discredit his attackers and gain towncred

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Where? Prove it.

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X-Post: Sorry for not being here, Ill be here soon. I've been busy IRL, so I havent had time.

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Apologies everyone for being inactive. I don't know why, but I have posters block (eg. I just don't know what to do.)
It should go away with time, and I know it may look like I'm just trying to get out of discussion, but I can assure you I'm not.

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Damnit guys that was a reaction test.

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Great job with the mislynch. Tn is scummy, that vote was so opportunistic, and tn hadnt given any indication of scumreading me yesterday.

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What do you mean?
I think you might be scum.
You didnt scumread me yesterday, but you said "He wasn't first priority yesterday, now he is (at least in my eyes)."
Also, FT, the personwho was almost positive i was town was killed last night. The non-town (maybe scum, maybe 3Ps) were obviously trying to get me lynched today.

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What info am i hiding?

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Why would scum me lie right now?

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No, you didnt scumread me at all.
"He wasn't first priority yesterday, now he is (at least in my eyes)."
It's the progression of thought.

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I'm still confident that om is town. Flubber is definitely a possible scum. Random needs to be held accountable. I think the rest are likely town. Dont know about Pine, though.