CI1656: Hearthstone Mafia (GAME OVER)

[ika]

hi

[ika]

Aw, ika, are you scum?

if i said yes would you legit believe it?

Only 2 town reads so far. That's pretty disappointing.

Ika: what's going on with you and that entrance. Pretty bland.

a huge chunk of WIFOM

you claiming ika was a easy read prompted me to reconsider.

why is reck and abr easy reads, though? thats not my personal experience with them in the past.

you playing with em and pegging you as scum real fast alrayd makes it easy for me to devine if your town or not and here the news: your town right now congradulations

[ika]

i was wrong

vote Ika

6 more votes. lets go

[ika]

GRIB DONT YOU IGNORE MY ANSWER!

(im real board so im gonna troll a bunch)

[ika]

anti did you get scum?

[ika]

of course theentracne was shitty, i was headign off to work

[ika]

Okay.

It's not like I could have divined that from your post.

what am i?

[ika]

So far I'm not feeling your towniness.

good. that means my job is done

[ika]

why are we wagoning grib?

[ika]

omg grib, the ending to that show was amazing

[ika]

man i want to post something that makes me look super scummy but then i will get town read for it.....

what do?

[ika]

ika, I'm probably going to vote you soon if you keep not-scumhunting. Work with me here.

Hey, ABR. Is lurking a tell for you?

well talk to me then, im not going to just be anti-town so i can ganer town reads.

like give me a read and i will bounce with you on it. so far i have like barely paid attention to this game out of the lack of posts

[ika]

know what new plan:

Spoiler: RQS

town or scum?
top town read and why?
top scum read and why?
your one shot vig who do you vig and why?
you can chose on lynching any player right now who is it and why?
what skin color do you have for your maf backround

everyoen answer

[ika]

ika, I'm probably going to vote you soon if you keep not-scumhunting. Work with me here.

Hey, ABR. Is lurking a tell for you?

well talk to me then, im not going to just be anti-town so i can ganer town reads.

like give me a read and i will bounce with you on it. so far i have like barely paid attention to this game out of the lack of posts

1) Then do something else so people know you're town.

2) I've given several reads. Lean town on Klazam, Mantisdreamz, and JasonWazza; lean scum on Sonic Heroes and killerjester. What are your general impressions of them?

3) 100 posts isn't really lacking.

4) And for your questions, I'll think about answering them. (I'm town. I've given several reads already. One-shot vig and lynching are both basically asking "who would you kill right now?" I can't be assed to check what forum skin I'm using -- it's the light blue one.)

1) meh when i feel motivated. i find it much easier to scum hunt of people wagoning me cus im being lazy. plus it forces people to enagge with me so i can interact witht hem

2) diagree with klazam, mastin i need more form but unalgined with klazam at least if one is scum, jasson is meh due to 2 posts.
sonic i can agree on

VOTE: killerjester i will withold reasons atm but one of his post pinged me.

3) meh it could be large themes im used to there being like at least 250 by now

4) ok your town

[ika]

Ika, rvs/rqs is done and dead with.

Ill answer the relevant ones though

Top town read: freek, i dont think scumhydras would disagree on a read this early in the game. Weak, but its only 5 pages in, not enough time for me to build confidence.

Top scumread: im spilt between grib and dragon. Grib is my vote right now because im still not happy with his answers, but im also waiting on dragon to answer my post. If he doesnt soon, i'd change.

Vig: you because youre useless

Lynch: you, same reason as above, and i dont think i see enough from anyone to seriously pursue a lynch yet

Now, i want you, ika, to answer your own questions, specifically these four. I know you said youre halfassing it right now, but there is enough content here to form a coherent opnion, at least.

let me change it then, they arent random now. they are set questions to get people to talk in the god damned thread.

also no, im not answering untill others do. it defeats the purpous of the damned thing

[ika]

Okay I spoke with brantz and since he agreed with the ping on dragon.

Vote: dragon

Ika: we are way past rqs. Do something that makes me like you.
Vote dragon or even mantis

you answer the questions or i just continue to do jack shit and you can lynch be for being a uslesss sack

[ika]

dragon, shut up and dont be me

[ika]

otherwise i will just vote you out of policy

[ika]

do both dragon

(im tired so im heading back to sleep before i get too annoyed and become cranky again)

pedit: omgus is not going to solve it

[ika]

dragon is already hinting to be something grib you need to read context

but i wouldnt mind running him up for a claim

[ika]

i am aware of it not necessarily being a scum tell. Why are you being condescending though? calling players stupid/etc.

^that dragon, your agro is comming out consending and not as just agro

[ika]

to clarify for you dragon FMPOV it makes me read you as [retracted]

klazam how come your not follwing up on me not answering my own quesitons? did i already make you lose intrest in me?

[ika]

I see your point

unrealted game question: wanna hydra edventaly?

(this goes out to everyone as well even the mod)

[ika]

i shoult get a spreadsheet up again so i cna keep track of shit......

im already apathetic

btw frekazoid is town

[ika]

guts say 1 scum in the grib wagon

[ika]

Grib what makes you think there are 4 scum?

@AD: that^

to em its a sign of "i know the scum team size so im questioning why you think 4"

anything else i missed in giant wall?

im still not reading most of this crap already

[ika]

Um.

What's VI?

village idiot

[ika]

Um.

What's VI?

village idiot

Hi Ika.

Are you going to play this game or should I push to get you lynched too?

you can lynch me IDGAF right now. its day 1 bother me when its day 2 or we get a flip or i feel like reading

[ika]

reck if i said that i have played with grib enough that right now hes following his town meta would you believe me?

[ika]

reck if i said that i have played with grib enough that right now hes following his town meta would you believe me?

dont care, meta sucks

fair enough.

[ika]

ika. ignoring me?

that can be arranged if you like

[ika]

know what new plan:

Spoiler: RQS

town or scum?

town

top town read and why?

grib based off meta

top scum read and why?

kj for his "4 scums" response to grib, it reads as aware scum

your one shot vig who do you vig and why?

myself so i dont have to be in the game

you can chose on lynching any player right now who is it and why?

klazm for policy

what skin color do you have for your maf backround

the default blue one although i might change it

everyoen answer

you mean that?

[ika]

Yes

well i did answer it

[ika]

so who else thinks sonic heros might be scum right now?

[ika]

so who else thinks sonic heros might be scum right now?

nut up or shut the fuck up

zero patience right now

good then how about you tell me some good stuff liek who your town 3 scum reads are and why as well as your top town read

[ika]

bout damn time grib

so what do you consider "useful" from me?

[ika]

You know what I expect from you. It honestly isn't that much, which is why I don't understand why it's do difficult getting you to do anything.

cus maybe i work a ner 40 hr job and only givd like 1/10 of the orignal attention span i used to?

[ika]

@grib

nah thats jsut jerk to the mod, i only replace out if the mod has a replacement fresh and ready. this is my persoanl belief

i may be kinda apathtic but i can give enough effort to play. its jsut that i need soemone to give me focal points (this is also why i have been doing a lot of hydras as of late)

[ika]

ika's play is entirely unimpressive as of late.

i aim to displease

[ika]

seiriously grib?

come on now your not man enough to push me, my OOG stuff should not be considered in reading me cus honestly if your going to give me a pass over that im just not going to bring it up anymore

[ika]

ABR - :I

You are mantis/ika? Is that right?

-.-

you can check the player list to see we are 2 seprate people

[ika]

ika, what are your thoughts here? do you still think sonic hero might be scum?

havent been reading at all mostly afking actualy to first

second is yes

[ika]

abr is just straight up not readin the game but throwin shade

so he is being himself.

not really? if anything i find this is a halmark of scum!abr but meh im lazy in this game

[ika]

can we lynch abr?

[ika]

I'm down to lynch ika.

yet your not voting me?

(yes i know im not either but people already know i want hammer)

[ika]

lol @ abr

if anything its non-alignment indicative and that i do it both as town and scum

[ika]

@AP i say hes town

me and himm played a lot and i dont see him pushing me as scum cus he knows what happens when i reacha bearking point

[ika]

lol @ abr

if anything its non-alignment indicative and that i do it both as town and scum

It`s alignment indicative.

do you have links to back it up that its more alignment indicative? cus i have links of me doign it on both sides

(heres a hint: that one open game doesnt count to make it alignment indicative)

[ika]

freak is town

VOTE: abr

to arms!

[ika]

what are your thoughts on grib, ika?

town, if you want the reason its meta hes a fluff poster as town with almost like 0 direction

as scum hes deflectionous and defensive and more "robtic" in his feel of his post

[ika]

@grib quit pussyfooting me and back it up with a god damn vote

[ika]

yes

mod vc

[ika]

this is great day 1.

i request the vig shot so i can do shit.

[ika]

VOTE: prawn

its not role madness....

i want vig shot cus im claiming as well, im a lone VT

[ika]

honestly the fact we have BP+vig giver makes me think one of them is scum offhand

[ika]

so

AP claims confirmable role
im claiming VT
soneone (lazy to check) is claiming vig giver
dragon claims BP

vig giver should give me vig
AP should confirm himself
dragon should be looked into

pedit: -.-

in that case if he is vig giver i say we lynch dragon

[ika]

now you see how much attention im paying to this game and how much of a idgaf about it right now

[ika]

ap i will lynch you in a fucking heartbeat if you dont confirm yourself. my mood has already gone sour with this so dont start

grib if your lynchign me its tommorow or never

pedit: you try liveing my life and see how my emotional state is exacatly propritanal to my playing

[ika]

yes dan it fucking real life. welcoe to reality.

[ika]

remind me to quit playing games solo....

this game is a reminder of why i hate solo play and prefer hydras

pedit: im sour when my mood is sour. liek litarly the only way for people to town read me is to be blaitent anti-town as you ahev said no?

like when you learn that my play becomes directly proptional to how i feel IRL then maybe.

pedit: he does that cus he doesnt knwo my RL issues and doesnt knwo the shit i have to deal with every fuckign day of my life and that he played with me before and that when he comes to realize how shitty life really is, then he shoudl understand why im always like this

[ika]

thats directed at grib and krystal

im for power lynchign tommorow just so we can screw the shitty apathy and ppl complaing

[ika]

ok is ap seriosuly claimg vig when we have fucking vig giver and a fucking BP?

like im going occam razor to state that if thats all town tat fucking massed up so

if someeone thinks im goinna kill abr as well thats hilariously stupid. i would of honestly wanted to kill dragon out of fuckign spite

pedit: fucking ninjas. this game jsut makes me full of hate and ire dor some reason. if someone needs me make it direct

[ika]

ika - don't be mad

give me one good reason why i shouldnt....

Who was saying Grib is town?

me, why you think he scum?

[ika]

im not even going to defend myself on anything you guys can fucking myslynch me im already pissed off in this game and that all it does for me to come back is bring me frustations and hate

yes im aware i have 0 votes one me and im being super overdefenive ractive but a lot of this is also due to other issues that are going on

pedit: im just going to afk while you guies talk about me as if i dont exist

[ika]

ika your rage feels super fake considering i have no fucking clue where it's coming from

RL issues and non-game related things if it helps. games are kinda also a place where i let out the rage and ire that i bottle up form rl shit

[ika]

TBH Sonic Heroes is starting to just look like PoE scum.

pretty mcuh

whats the VC?

[ika]

Can we stop softclaiming and claiming in general?

that'd be fantastic.

btw guies im actualy a

4th Party Master of Chaos

Bulletproof Reviving Survivor Universal Lyncher Jester Bomb

[ika]

Can we stop softclaiming and claiming in general?

that'd be fantastic.

btw guies im actualy a

4th Party Master of Chaos

Bulletproof Reviving Survivor Universal Lyncher Jester Bomb

fixed bolding, but ya thats my real claim

[ika]

I agree with this. ika if you need to take some time away from the game due to other things I get it, but I've never seen you seething with no pressure on you before.

Meh, im fine atm but during that breif time i was having a lot of RL drama and shit going on around me and mafia is like one of the few places i use to let it out

Spoiler: pointless banter about myplay

how i play is as manyhave seen adn known is that i jsut play however i see fit. but one thing not everyone realizes is that how i feel in RL and gamestate have a direct impact to how i act in here. Like me hammering that vig put me into a pissed of fucked up mood and that in the gamestate caused me to go into an outrage. the apathy part of em is more or less that in RL im in a odd place in mylife where i jsut feel apatetic and sometimes depressed (right now im meh), with gamestate here, everyone jsut lurkign and afking for the most part (or at least not doign anything that pings me) so for me to really post would come out forced or fake to me and truthfully be unfun.

that being said.

SH: read lsit, 3 scums, 1 towns
KB: read list, same deal
AP: town bloc?
klazm hydra: AMA
grib: claim

[ika]

-.-

[ika]

is sonic l-1 yet?

[ika]

oh i already got my hammer for this game soooooo

VOTE: sonic hero

[ika]

nope! This slot is obvtown. Only scum would push here

this type of flawed argument makes me want to vote for you.

fucking vote him and quit pussyfooting it dragon

[ika]

MS has done it before in a past game and i can link you (hint we were both scums)

[ika]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=59731

link to game, he was cop guiltied day 2 and jsut bs a bunch of ate shit, same with day 1

[ika]

do it already

[ika]

AP shoot klazam slot for us will ya?

[ika]

ika, you should unvote and hammer unless you don't care about hammers anymore.

AP: I support an ActionDan shot with an outside chance of Reck.

fake edit: or the Klazam slot, unless we wanted to wait for someone to fill it so they can claim if needed.

i got my hammer for this game, and while it pissed me the fuck off, it still hammer now fuckign hammer him before i get irate

[ika]

odds are he checked dragon

i doubt grib would check me

[ika]

oh i dont doubt hes sk with vig giver and full on BP

i jsut wondering how long we are going to let him be here....

[ika]

Ika that is some shitty setup spec.

sk
vs
rber
???
???
vs
cop
vig giver
BP
VT
???
???
???
???

sounds about right like this, im not doing full in deph spec AP so the fact you are calling my minimal setup spec shitty is laughable. if i wanted to really go into setup spec i would do muhc more heavy anasis on it

[ika]

sounds about right like this, im not doing full in deph spec AP so the fact you are calling my minimal setup spec shitty is laughable. if i wanted to really go into setup spec i would do muhc more heavy anasis on it

And yes the minimal-ness of it is what makes it shitty.

Why are you so sure Dragon is town?

would you like me to do in deph setup sepc and out potential prs? if not then dont stop shitty spec and let me do it.

im only giving him a mild town read honestly. i dont see grib copping em when i have a shitty as transpartn scum game. and if he did cop me im going to yell at him post game for wasting such cop shots

[ika]

also AP should i remind you of your last scum game where you kept trying to shut down setup spec? (offtopic: it was shitty way to get caught)

is that a trademark of your scum game?

[ika]

jingles lost room game.

like im not discounting the fact that you shot scum. its that im trying to see how vig-giver + 1-shot vig + cop co-exist as town right now (no i dont plan on lynchign you today AP but i need to sort out setup spec out loud and sort though shit so work with me here and not against me)

like part of em wants mass claims but odds are theres like 1-2 more powers and i want to see what fits what w/o outing yet

pedit: well calling min setup spec shitty FMPOV kinda is. even if its wrong FYPOV (cus your vig claimer so its WIFOM to me) doesnt exactly help mycase

[ika]

AP:

Town:
2 killings
2 investigatives

scums:
1 misdirection (rber or what you want to clasify it as)
1 protective
1 other (encryptor maybe?)

would that work?

[ika]

jingles lost room game.

That was purely because the mod made a broken game in which a 3-rd party role had 3 innocent results on townies and a wincon that let him win with the town.

There was literally no way to win other than getting people to not trust him.

And by that I mean there was literally no way to win.

and ia gree it sucked to be scum but thats besides the point, you were trying to shut down setup specs. but enough remicaninc what about my cucrnt idea of town/scum disibutions in pr sense?

[ika]

The Grib wagon was engineered to gauge everyone's reaction, get a read on the players substantially supporting/criticizing it, and to look for opportunistic counterwagons.

Grib (the man, the myth, the legend himself) - Reacted very reasonably. Didn't flail or anything, instead continued to engage the game, look for scum on his wagon, and the such. Lean-town.

dragonspawn - Echos Grib's vote on myself, and at least acknowledges Reck's vote showed the same traits. However, the RVS over-justification for choosing me over Reck comes off as forced. All around he's wishy washy with his reads and seems reluctant to take a firm stance on anything this early in the game, despite "kicking the hornet's nest". Lean-scum.

freekazoid - Has genuine reads, even in spite of the head dissonance (or rather, reinforced by it?) Actively engages with other players and manages to hop around wagons in a manner that keeps protown momentum and drives the game forward. Firm town.

Mantisdreamz - Comes off as entirely uninterested in scumhunting. Content to sheep the Klazam vote and fly under the radar. Falls somewhere between lean and firm scum.

ika - Stays active and trying to prevent the rest of the game from stagnating despite being admittedly apathetic. Strikes me as town because I feel scum in his position would be more complacent with a stagnating game. Lean-town.

prawneater - Needs more content. Kinda bad. And by bad I mean scummy. Lean-scum.

VOTE: Mantisdreamz

all the bolded people are alive, who wants to hedge bets on one of them being scum? bets goes to prawn/drag atm the vote i soffputting

[ika]

sigh....

rber (manpulative)
somethign
somethign
vs
vig giver
cop

roles to be sorted:
neighbor
BP
vig

sigh i will get to this tonight if i get time and not overdrunk

[ika]

tere: im going to reach out to you in the most direct way possible

are you town?

i would let them do their shitty specualtions on you but if your town, i know we can solve this game

pedit: well now, teres takes off the gloves....

[ika]

OK ika I am getting a drink and I want you to stay and talk to me. Please!

im here, ap prob town and i agree. can you summerize your reads in a list format and we work form there?

also i understand you hated for replacing and the apaty, maybe next time you should replace with a hydra? (hint, we need to hydra still)

AP, shes town. i dont see scum!tere going though all this anlysis

tere what other scum games do you have that you could link?

[ika]

I think shes taking more as the fact shes giving all this effot and still getin lynched for it.

put yourself in her shoes, how would you feel to do huge walls like that only for poeple be like "meh whatever" and proceed to lynch you?

like i understand quesiotning it in geneal but you gusy FMPOV seem to just be ingoring all of it as an entiritey

[ika]

i was eating sorry...

KB, are you going to unvote or no?

tere, take a few deep breath, no im not neigobrized with anyone (but like if we could be neighboreized i would love it) i know theres a few other things going on you ask so give me a bit

pedit: IM EHERE NOW I JUST NEED TO GET MYSELF COZY and remmebr im forever aone

[ika]

<3 ok good. Wanna get drunk together?

pedit Freek that post is icky but I will deal with you later, I wanna get drunk with ika.

that was last night, im gonna be good from drinking a margaita for a bit (post drnk/recovery is a bithc)

but i could go get a soda and emualte bign drunk

[ika]

U R Wrongymcwrong, Freek. You have taken the wrong train to wrongsville.

pedit: sure! I just don't want to be all alone in the night. Hold me, ika.

*holds tere*

is your hubby ok with me doing this btw i don't want o get in trouble with him

i was eating sorry...

KB, are you going to unvote or no?

i don't think so.

our vote in on reck... and that seems pretty good to me.


what do you think about reck?

i wouldnt miss him seeing how he has been mostly non-existant, im just more curious about your scum read on tere.

[ika]

tere just ignore them and work with me for right now

objectively speaking in manner, they have every right to still suspect you and your slot and scm hunt it. but i can see how its not good foryou atm

[ika]

KB, so me a damned favor then and respect her wish. if your going to ask her questions at least dial it back the cheeky part.

like i said already, objectivly yes neither one of you are entitiled to be "im town so shoo" but when i read 2 players going liek this and one is basily saying "stop and wait" and the other is not (you KB) its what casues me to be apathetic and honestly, pissed off.

like if your scum youd doing a fucking great job, but if your town you should realize by now how annoying it is to an OPOV

[ika]

lol. He is benignly mystified by mafia but tolerates it so you are safe.

ok good, cus most of my way of doing it now might come out very weird later on

anwya back to topic at hand

pedit: getting to it now let me grab that chart that was made so i can kinda put thous into it

[ika]

Spoiler: Setup spec done for ika

Green is town vanilla, orange is town power role, red is mafia. Italics is confirmed power, bold is dead.

Player	Role	Flavour	Actions
xRECKONERx	?	?	?
ActionDan	?	?	?
the freekazoid	?	?	?
Krystal Bald	?	?	?
Tere	?	?	?
ika	Townie	?	-
dragonspawn	Bulletproof	Shielded Minibot	-
AngryPidgeon	1-Shot Vigilante	Fire Elemental	Manablocked night one, shot killerjester night two
prawneater	Vigilante Giver	Dark Iron Dwarf	Lynched day one
Albert B. Rampage	Townie	Shieldmaiden	Killed night one
Sonic Heroes	Townie	Micro Machine	Lynched day two
Grib	Cop	Nerubian Egg	Killed night two
killerjester	Roleblocker	Loatheb	Manablocked AngryPidgeon night one, killed night two

Unclaimed actions
Night Zero	Neighborizing of Klazam and Sonic Heroes
Night One	Neighborizing of Klazam and Krystal Bald
Night Two	Neighborizing of the freekazoid and ?

I'm assuming that Grib was a one-shot cop (nerubian egg's ability I can't see as a cop but in Hearthstone it's definitely a one-shot ability), and I'm assuming that killerjester was a one-shot roleblocker (makes sense because AP wasn't blocked last night).
Given those, I'd think that if the neighborizer is scum that there should be another weak/one-shot town power role, and if the neighborizer is town that it's balanced with no additional power roles on either side.
[tinfoil]It's technically possible that AP is actually a mafia bookie and is playing us all for fools by shooting his scumbuddy, but that's pretty much impossible unless town has millions of unclaimed power roles.[/tinfoil]

just reposing on new page so i have a place

[ika]

tere you are claiming to not be the neigborizer correct? and this is hoenstly direct yes or no cus thats going to impact how i setup spec

pedit: when people like tere or i get emotional charged like that you need to realize that we need space or a diffrent approach. like im not tere but by the way shes sounding/acting mirrors me how i act and my remedy is to either have someone who i can trust (tere/mollie for example) to talk to me or jsut give me space and let out pent up emotions

pedit2: im going to direct this at ter and you KB

tere, let him scum hunt you, just take respond when you are not emotionaly charged on it its only going to resort to more bickering, if needed direct it towards me so i can atriculate it better

[ika]

ok i also need nobody to make any more noise, if you guys need dicussion go right ahead but im going full zoned mode on my sepc so anything uneeded will only trun me into pissed!ika

pedit: tere, KB. both stop snipping each other already. im going full spec mode so this is what i need from you both

Tere: are you neigborizer or no?
KB: save questions at tere for another time or make nots of question i need my space now and you snipping at each other isnt going to make me a happy camper i jsut need like this small timefram to go streamline

pedit2: ok thats what i needed
KB: plz hold everythign untill i setup spec and hash out all thoughts

im going to be blunt here on my play when i do this stuff, its a borderline mode for me and the smallest thign will set me onto a tilt of full rage/ire/just pissed off so i need coperations

[ika]

tere you are claiming to not be the neigborizer correct? and this is hoenstly direct yes or no cus thats going to impact how i setup spec

pedit: when people like tere or i get emotional charged like that you need to realize that we need space or a diffrent approach. like im not tere but by the way shes sounding/acting mirrors me how i act and my remedy is to either have someone who i can trust (tere/mollie for example) to talk to me or jsut give me space and let out pent up emotions

pedit2: im going to direct this at ter and you KB


tere, let him scum hunt you, just take respond when you are not emotionaly charged on it its only going to resort to more bickering, if needed direct it towards me so i can atriculate it better

ika. everyone has charged up emotions.
no one is special here.

I know that but i dont think you realize how much more we (or me at least) am affect by emotions and how it 100% affect how i play and my entire speculations

Blah blah blah. Lots of talk no real substance lately.

THEN ADD SOMETHING DIPSHIT IF YOUR GOING TO BE MAKING A SHITTY ASS FUCKIGN POST COMPLAING ABOUT A STALE GAMESTATE YOU ASK A GOD DAMN QUESITON AND OMVE IT FOWARD OR SHUT UP AND SELF VOTE YOUR FUCKKING ASS

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jesus fuckign crist tthis is the exact shit that i didnt need. this zone is the hoenst fuckign borderline of me going toin full rage and full steamline thoughs. the last FUCING THING i need is soemon bitching about nothign to FUCKING DO.

[ika]

jeeze, i know that came out a lot harsh dragon but hoenstly post liek that in my current state jsut make me pissed. im sorry for it in gerneal but it had ot be said otherise im going to sit here being pissed for a while

pedit: no, your already essensaly calimgin VT. i dont need to add more i need to sepculate on my own

pedit2: tere, dont. for the sake of em plz dont i need someone with some santity to help me

pedit 3: ok i

checuked a bit

got a kick out of that but plz dont stoop to that

[ika]

ok so onto setup spec and sevral other things:

Spoiler: random thoughts dump

presuming role were 1-shot for sake of arguments (im follwing ap)
we have an unaccounted PR in the mix (neighbor maker)
teres has claiemd not to eb the neigbor
im not it
dragon doesnt act like it
in the leftover pile and a small POE based on gamestate and what i think I knwo who the probable perosn frek is neigbored with.

so im also going with teh fact AP was indeed targeted by mana lock and makes him clear of mafia
tere is town by posting (sue me)
im town

KJ has implied there are 3 scums (his quesiotn of "4 scums" says 3)

we have investigative out (cop)
protecitve would argubly be our BP
we have 2 killings accounted for (vig giver and AP!vig)
me and tere claimg VTs

so we got KB who isnt neigbor based on day end VC but prob town based on the fact hes looking past teres giant walls (i could see scums going "ok town")

so in remainders:
freak
AD
reck

if we run with dragon!town (im meh on it atm) i would put scums to having one more power and one goon

i figured if scum is 1-shot with grib being 1-shot, i figured we have at least 1 or 2 full fledged roles that are porblly in an investgative

neighbor is full fledge or multi-shot and if town almost confirmed existance of another pr

pedit:
KB: yes, but you have to realize when i try to ask nicely and say "give someone time" its not only for themm btu for me as well.
if you have something to ask you can ask me, im more okish atm so i can bounce

tere: my thoguhts are more or less scambled due to dragon but it should be a good amount. my midn gets out
on dragon: im garciaing my own jsut for it, but hoenstly i would lych him on policy now

[ika]

Let me get this straight, you do absolutely nothing different day one then i just did ika and you have the audacity to get upset when I call you guys out on doing nothing? Seriously?

im gonna snip it at the bud and be frank with you on this and then get back:

while yes i argubly did the same thing on day 1, you realize that my playstyle and how i play are very directly realted to my RL antics and how i feel in a general base.

Like when i finally feel the vibe and motivations stuff, to see you doing it is just aggravating and pissing off. and regresses me to shit mode.

like part of em in motivation zone/playing in such manenr has be on a thin line of jsut blowing up a thread and going full streamline. like personaly i hate beingn the fucking town voice and jsut bieng 99% of the time being "ikas town ignore" and "ika scum lynch"

like just ugh. im too tired to realyl hash out a preoper post so a TLDR:

while yes i did the same thing you are doing on say 1 this is now day 3 where we have flips and anasis to post and not a "well what about this idea"

im jsut not in a zone to get into the entire post and have a dicussion about it

pedit: tell em how shes not town freak i eagerly await your response

[ika]

Tere is not town,if I have to do meta research tonight to see if this behavior is normal tonight I will be pissed.

convince me why, cus i can link you to her scum game here and a town game here

[ika]

A bit of me wonders if it's Occam's now and town is eating itself. What do folk think?

If everyone here is town, we need to find each other.

Guys? Guys? Group hug, guys?

*hug*

as for first part, i wouldnt be surprised by that, thats litarly how i play as scum is let town rip each other

[ika]

poe leads me to {dan, reck, freak}

thats my lynch pool right now if we get one more im townblocing and pushing outsiders

[ika]

yet she is 100% willing to be lynched as well? are you taking that into account?

You miss the fact drams and tere have offsite history or did that take into acocunt?

im not disregarding your side enirly but im making sre you have all the varibalbe

pedit: far you have been non0existant to me so im going to srot you now along with tere.

ill play along with your game and pretend tere is scum (again im dubting it) but lets do the most basic thing, do you see a scum walking into a game with that kinda of anaysis?

also if she is scum who is her partner? does klazam/tere make sense as a KJ partner?

pedit2: if its not in there im looking back on roles claimed

[ika]

I am a numpty head and am drunk so a late pedit.

your not stupid btw, how much have you had so far?

[ika]

can i say i love drunk tere.

farside, im going to be around for a bit if you need me but im very highly unconvinced on scum!tere barring scum claims. so work with me on everoyn else atm

pedit: *oh snap gif here*

[ika]

tere

drunk talk to me

[ika]

hurry up though I'm fading

no dont fade i need to drunk talk with you. (im not drunk atm but we can plan it for another day)

if you were to have the right to hammer someone right now who would it be?

pedit: prob not

[ika]

Dude you have 30 mins max I need to get up and be professional tomorrow. Make it count (that sounds naughty hehe)

lets waste the 30 mins with drunk tere (cus yes thats very naughty and its going to be amusing to mess wth you now)

whats on your midnright now (obviously something is )

[ika]

(for the record im doing this for amusemnt and dunk convos are some of the best ot look back on)

[ika]

meh 2 and sk is just bad design with all this power (esp is kj is 1-shot)

2 scums+ traitor is plausable but unlikey due to KJ qustions of "4 scums"

3 + sk would be way out of preportion with all the potential nks to eb flown about
however to have fun with it, it would have to be dragon as BP sk who isnt killing right now due to fear of pr or soem shit

i could see 3scums an survivor for a kick

[ika]

Well AP claimed the Kj kill.

Mebbe survivor.

Reck is either survivor / traitor / scum if I had a gun to my head. Which is IMO the best consensus deal. that or Dan. We should give them both time to get in and keep pressure on dragons though. I haven't looked at votecount yet so I will be interested to see if he takes me up on that

yes thats why im saying on occam razor level its fucked up

but i always love to give an "well this could be it" shit explaimation for kicks

Anyway I need to go to bed *hug* you in the game now?

for now, we need to plan a durnk seminar for this one day. ill ttyl

[ika]

town!tere was in lost rooms

scum!tere was in a short days long nights

she accepted her lynch alredy and im going to be frank, if shes willing for it im holding you to it if she flips town. like i persoanly rather not lynch her today at least and lynch outside

[ika]

ok im done caring about this game.

do whatever the fuck you guys want im done as well

[ika]

well if you guys didnt scum hunt her and gave her a god damn day thing would of been fine......

like i understand still scum hunting the slot in general but even you guys could realize at that point she was on edge. like im gonna be here if you guys need me but expect me to be snark bitch.

sigh im not in a mood to even post here about shit anymore. i got too much rl shit and this is jsut.... whatever i prob go see if someone can come take her slot in a bit if we need one but jsut. like. sigh.....

[ika]

I can live with reck but I'm not convinced he is scum

then you push a scum read, even if its the tere slot push it.

longer version with rant

Spoiler: rant

then you make a fucking god damn push instead of being a pussyfooted ass

(yes i know im being bitch here but seriosuly if you got something say it now)

im getting sick of half-assedness (yes i admit i did ti myself and im guilty of it) but when i finally get a player who i litarly have a strogn connection to that really understands me on more then jsut a player level and really knows how to resonate with me and you gusy come in here and have her self implode when she was basicly breathign life into this god forsaken game and then you come back with "well i dont think hes scum" then you get your your apathritc lazy ass into gear and push something.

if you think the god damned tere slot is scum then fucking push it now cus shes reaplcing out. like im not going to even try to stop that god damned thing anymore. like again objectively we all have emtions and we all have implosions and shit. but my big thing (even as scum) is that if you see it happening you take a god damn step back for 2 seconds and reaproach. if you saw me at start of my maf place i was 10 times worse then i am now.

Like i use mafia as an escape and a place to let out RL frustration and anger in a non-agressive way most times. however when im in that tilt mode of "omg its fucking shit waht your doing" im going to act like that.

like i could see tere 100% setting me up for a nk based on specs and i had that in the back of my mind. but you realize that if i died before AP its more or less tere scum claimign? like people who know me in that deep level (and only about 1 maybe 2 people i would say knwo me that well) know that i have to be a nk priority before an endgame or i will fuck them over. like i take every special precuasion to people who know or try to maipulate me in those manners

[ika]

god that was largly needed and makes me feel a lot better now that thats off my chest.

i personaly hate sometime being like this but im not a person to hold back on emotions, its honestl cause me more RL problems and is why i have been more in hydras or having a player i can really trust work with me

[ika]

well if you guys didnt scum hunt her and gave her a god damn day thing would of been fine......

like i understand still scum hunting the slot in general but even you guys could realize at that point she was on edge. like im gonna be here if you guys need me but expect me to be snark bitch.

sigh im not in a mood to even post here about shit anymore. i got too much rl shit and this is jsut.... whatever i prob go see if someone can come take her slot in a bit if we need one but jsut. like. sigh.....

ika, i know you are friends with her -- but i thought she was being a little unreasonable.

she posted that she wanted to 1v1 -> http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6790646
very next post, she told me to go away -> http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6790655


this was all in reaction to this post, where i seriously questioned her alignment, here -> http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6790411

yes i can see that and again i objectivly do not disagree on what you did or question it in general

Spoiler:

i had her as scummy because
1) klazam had done nothing, and we asked him all sorts of questions in the Inn, to which he didn't respond
2) what i said in that post that i just last linked to you.. her first 2 posts, she stated twice that she was town, and not to mislynch her.

what i found sus about that in particular, is that her asking not to be mislynched, made it seem like she felt as though she was under pressure of indeed being lynched. when, as far as i can tell -- no one was even stating that klazam should be removed immediately.

3) her earlier posts encompassed a lot of interpreting killerjester's posts, and speculating on who grib might have viewed, as well as answering stale and old questions from our Inn with klazam

^all of those things can be done by scum. and trust me, the ratskep mafia (scum) players will go to huge extents, and post large walls of words, in order to look town for it.

^i put this in spoiler, because all i'm doing is repeating myself from stuff i have said already.

you understand i dont care about masses of words in the end? like i care more about end results and interactions, i may have been reading her as town for anylsis but there is always the backhand i keep of "what if"

she also came in and poo-pooed the whole town basically. and that annoyed me... i won't carry on with this though, cause it's not like she is even capable of responding to things i say.
she wasn't agreeable to anyone, but you though ika. so keep that in mind, when you think that others (me) were being harsh to her requests.

if she hadn't said multiple times to shoo, or go away, or that she was putting me on ignore. but, rather just requested things in a different way; i wouldn't of had an issue.

anyway. all of this really has not a whole lot to do with reads or anything.

and objectivly again, i agree. this is where it boils down more to human emotions and that tere knows how to work with me and that i know how to work with her on a good means. There might be a history of you guys or something that could be playing into the "leave me be" factor.

i do agree asking diffrently could be done but its meh, for me i grow immune to it cus im CS and i deal with people like this every day at my job. and one fo the big things is approach and how you do it. thats why i was trying to tell you to give some time not only for me but for her.

when she was posting though... i reallly didn't think she would say stuff like this as scum:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6790509
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6790526
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6790781
(^directed at you)

so that's why i eventually changed my mind and concluded she prob is town.

nikanor still thinks she is scum though.

this is where it prob got her tbh, hydra disrenosance and 2 heads saying 2 diffrent things

[ika]

mac/reck scum team with outside shot of dragon

[ika]

ooooooo

we talking theory now? this i want to hear.

(im well aware i havent posted in a week i told you after a tere leave i quit giving shit, but if we are going into wifom conspircy theory this im in for)

[ika]

Sigh

No one likes my theories and it's just something I started to formulate and then tossed out because reck has been a scum read on day 1.

The thought started with the Tere/ika interaction. I found it very odd. Ika was the one Tere reached out to but when grib tried the same he got rebuffed by ika.
There's play was emotional for no reason and it was the only time ika bothered to post at all. Plus I've come to realize that ika hasn't been hammer happy this game. His lack of comments this game and meta is so off of what I've seen from ika I started thinking the 2 were scum together.

Spoiler: real talk

if you must know why i do that to grib and not tere is for a very keystone reason: how i feel about players

me and grib have a mutal understanding and there are times where i will reach out to him and troll with him. but when im workign with grib in seriosuness i have a majorly diffrent approach compared to how i would do it with tere.

in my emotional state there are a select few who i believe who undestand me to that plane that i resonsate on and tere is one of them. that is why i was quick to latch onto her and reach out. there is one other person who i can say that can reach em on such level. but when im in my emotional tilt state (where i can switch fromm focus to pissed) tere is one of the players who knows how to use it for the advantage (if that makes sense)

its somethign that jsut cant really be expalined or anything its jsut something that i know and that you have or you dont. and so far only 2 people have been able o do it

its a fun theory though, ask grib about the WW idea i had and his comment to it. hoenslty oddities like this is what gives me motive to look into things. if you are unaware i almost always have a backhand scum theory going on that someohe would make sense

[ika]

@ika, talk to me about why this isn't the same as your lurking in other games we've been in together where you were scum (specific reference is Uncouth). I am starting to get the same vibe, tell me why this is different.

it probaly isnt?

like im not going to excuse or try to justify my lurking i jsut really don't have any cares for the game or any real motivation for this game after the half of the shit that went on.

your still town to me and its not going to change, AP is town based on vig. dragon could be scum but meh. RM not existing is a thing but i still hold to tere being town. evryone else either has been non existant to me or i no longer care about them.

also VOTE: mac

i dont care if your pord dodging you can fucking die then (yes i know i have been doing same but theres a way of doing it)

[ika]

ika died. He was Big Game Hunter, a vanilla townie

Spoiler: My Big game finger

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[ika]

it was a mechanic based thing

it was in dead thread that it was explained