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have we met?
VOTE: Jeanne
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Pleased to make your acquaintance. I am Plotinus.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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lolThe failure mode of clever is asshole.
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I think this is the only game I wotc-ed you in, so what does this have to do with me?The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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don’t worry, there will be walls later. there are never walls on page 1. how you been wgeurts?
also hi skold that was very poetic of you!The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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Are you selectively scumhunting, oversoul?The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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oh, ok. It’s just it looked like you were looking for 3rd party instead of generic scum in 24
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eh. jeanne tends to flake as town. that’s a good enough reason for a page 1 vote until i have something better to go on.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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You didn’t? Can you win with the town, though?The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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In post 30, Oversoul wrote:Maruchan could also be third party now that I think about it given his first post.
Did no one choose town =_=
you said no one. not “no one else”. that’s all.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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I might have read too much into it :/ early game it’s hard to know what to pay attention to; i like replacing in better.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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nacho, can you selectively quote? can you multiquote?
if you can do both then here are some sentences for you to quote in response to other things:
Spoiler: miscellaneous mafia phrasesThe failure mode of clever is asshole.
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yay it works!The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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oh no it’s contagious!
i am groot too?The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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lolThe failure mode of clever is asshole.
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I wasn’t telling the truth about it being contagious i was making a joke. I am not actually grooted.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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In post 0, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
Original Player List:
1) CooLDoG
2) diginova
3) Jeanne11
4) Klingoncelt
5) Maruchan
6) massive
7) McMenno
8) MewThree
9) Nachomamma8
10) Oversoul
11) Plotinus
12) miss<——— this used to say skold before the game started.
13) wgeurts
I saw this earlier and it was confusing me. But I guess Skold is miss for the purposes of this game?The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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yeah. the only thought I had about that is that Nexus’ title is “miss” but what does that have to do with Skold? I think if Skold doesn’t know either then whoever is responsible probably isn’t going to tell us?
It would be pretty annoying if all of our names got replaced with fake names. would be hard to keep track of who is voting whom and stuff.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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That’s true.
Everyone’s being really quiet.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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…I have the strangest tendency to vote people who claim scum, wgeurts. Dunno about the rest of the town. Let’s find out.
VOTE: wgeurtsThe failure mode of clever is asshole.
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assuming you’re telling the truth about the vengeful: jeanne and mcmenno are the ones that people wanted to policy lynch.
I think most of people’s votes are left over from rvs still so idk if anyone has any scumreads other than you because very few people have taking stances about anything. I have too many people in the nullscum, lurksack, and gibberish categories at the moment, so that’s something to work on toMorrow.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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if you’re a jester why didn’t you fix your fake selfhammer? You messed up your voting tags.
Was looking forward to playing with you, wgeurts, oh well. Good appetite for your pizza!The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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Nacho, are you telling me to unvote? (2 groot = yes unvote, 1 = no i’m saying something else)The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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ok.
UNVOTE:
until we talk this through.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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So, you think it’s a botched fake claim, and you don’t believe what he’s saying but you don’t want him lynched right this second. I could try to guess and you could quote parts that are right?
The dayphase hasn’t gone on long enough and you want some more time to discuss things.
You think the wagon happened too quickly and you think it’s not because all of his buddy turbobussed him.
You want some time to convince him not to vengekill you.
You don’t think he’s scum.
Something else.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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You’re worried that jester might end the game for everyone instead of him just exiting and game play continuing for the rest of us?
pedit: oh, yeah i can see that. but I’ve seen him botch a fakeclaim before, in We Didn’t Playtest This.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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I also think probably not jester.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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Here is what I think:
I think he probably does have some rolepm related thing about cats. It is too bizarre a thing to claim out of nowhere in a uPick.
I think he is rolefishing.
I think he is frustrated that other people weren’t eating the bait.
I think he is implying that townkitties would have happily crumbed their role to player of unknown alignment.
I think this makes no sense.
I think townkitties and scumkitties would each be wary for different reasons.
Townkitties have no reason to trust him yet and know that mods tend to implement mechanics to make massclaiming be a bad strategy
Scumkitties are afraid that this is an investigative kind of cathugging.
I still think he’s scum, though.
And that if he isn’t, he’ll be a distraction later on. I don’t think he can town it back up enough.
pedit: oh! You think he can’t self hammer, but if I unvote then he can vote himself and then I can revote him?
pedit: oh ok. well we’ll see if he brings himself back to L-1 again or not.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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VOTE: wgeurts
? is this what you want me to do? I unvoted because I thought you wanted me to, not because I didn’t want him lynched. so now I’m revoting because i think that’s what you’re telling me to do?
wgeurts is at L-1 and should self hammer or somethingThe failure mode of clever is asshole.
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I think 3 means “maybe” or “it depends”
I thought 1 meant “no” so if in 181 nacho is telling me to unvote after i thought he told me to revote then i am really confused.
@nacho:
Spoiler: more echolaelia for nacho to useThe failure mode of clever is asshole.
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WHYThe failure mode of clever is asshole.
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Quote the parts that apply:
Nacho want plotinus to make wgeurts self hammer.
Nacho doesn’t want wgeurts to be at L-1.
Nacho wants Plotinus to unvote so that wgeurts is at L-2.
Nacho want plotinus to vote and unvote every other post like a traffic light because it’s funny.
Nacho thinks wgeurts can’t and won’t self hammer so plotinus should unvote so that wgeurts can put himself at L-1
Nacho has a reason that makes sense and Plotinus just isn’t getting it still.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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UNVOTE: wgeurts
fair enough. thank you.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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do you need more mafia sentences?
what kind of mafia sentences do you need:
Trying to figure out motivation sentences
Wagon driving sentences
Scumhunting sentences
Interrogating sentences
Posting reads lists kind of sentences
I’m running low on some of these categories myself but we can try to think of some?
What do you think of my 175?The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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i remember towards the end of we didn’t playtest this when i was in a situation that i hadn’t been in before and i didn’t have any echolaelia for it at all and i spent a few days just reading completed games to try to see what kinds of words others were using in similar situations. so i know what it’s like to need words and not have them. we’ll try to find you some.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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k. found some completed newbie games of nacho’s to borrow phrases from. i might be able to get reads based on whether he predominantly picks sentences from his scum game or from his town game. sentences are from his entire ISO, most of them won’t apply right at this very moment but maybe he can use them later? skipped stuff that seemed overly specific to that one game but tried to keep enough variety too.
Spoiler: defending sentences:
Spoiler: interrogating/pushing sentences:
Spoiler: townreading kinds of sentences:
Spoiler: scumreading kinds of sentences:
Spoiler: picking people’s cases apart sentences:
Spoiler: commenting on the game state sentences:The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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In post 196, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 175, Plotinus wrote:And that if he isn’t, he’ll be a distraction later on.
I am Groot
fair enough. i’ve only seen him as scum before so that’s probably biasing me?The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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This is my only ongoing game at the moment, in case it wasn’t obvious.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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In post 200, Maruchan wrote:Also just pointing out that while groot is canonicly a good guy, we picked out alignment. So macho could very well be a groot mafia. Or groot third. So far his actions have been towny, or as towny as can be while he can not display any original thoughts, being forced to parot/mince out posts to make thoughts. But we cant guarantee bus townieness
I thought of this too, and I read a game once where nikanor was a completely postrestricted (could only post in gestures) mafia aligned beloved princess so I think it would be a mistake to townread people based on what they claim their role is, based on the visible effects of their role, or their post restriction. bad setup spec loses games!
but I think it’s a good sign he’s making an effort to communicate with us and now that he has an easier way of participating we will be able to read him more easily based on which sentences he uses where, which sentences he doesn’t use at all, whether the stances he takes make sense, as well as how he interacts with different people.
I wasn’t sure for a while but i’m townleaning him at the moment.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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hi wgeurts i can see you are online do you have anything to say?The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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VOTE: wgeurts
he’s at L-1The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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you could post a readslist or somethingThe failure mode of clever is asshole.
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It’s page 10 and the following players have less posts than the mod does: skold, jeanne, massive, colddog, mcmenno, diginova
IF you guys could do something to change that, it would do wonders for the game state.
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Sure!
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The wiki says jester doesn’t usually end the game anymore and I think if I were a mod I wouldn’t want jester to end the game because you put all that work into designing a setup and then it’s all over by page 10.
I also think it’s cruel to have people in the game who can no longer achieve their win condition, like brantz/not_mafia at the end of wdpt.
and you keep saying stuff that makes people more hesitant about lynching you: bringing up that the game might end, bringing up that hammering could be construed as a town cred grab, and that’s making me more nervous about you maybe being maf after all.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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yeah, that’s why i brought up not_mafia/brantz. they had to spend an entire day phase unable to win just waiting to see whether we’d make the right decision or not. it was lame. that’s the situation you’d be in if we refuse to lynch you.
from my perspective it does sort of matter because if you’re mafia then you need to die but if you’re jester that’s one less mislynch the mafia needs to meet their wincon.
but you’re my friend and i always hope my friends win (though i won’t make it easy for them if we don’t share an alignment, of course).The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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ok, now that it’s later in the day and i’m fully awake I can understand what people are saying.
UNVOTE: wgeurts[/unovte]
sorry, friend, it is better to find mafia toDay.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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UNVOTE: wgeurts
someday preview before pressing submit. someday.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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@massive: i think it is because the mafia need to get x mislynches in order to get to lylo and then win, and lynching the jester if we’re sure he is a jester aand not mafia fake claiming, it gives the mafia a free mislynch, taking them one step closer to their goal without furthering the town wincon.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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Yeah, that was lame. Need to stop n00bslipping, my newbie card expired towards the end of May. I didn’t notice he was jester for a while, I thought he was just being bad because in We Didn’t Playtest This he really botched his fakeclaim in twilight 1, so i’d seen him be obvscum as scum before. And then after the word jester was mentioned, I spent some time not understanding what that meant. I get it now!
In post 263, massive wrote:I have a feeling cross-killing is going to be WAY more important to this game than mislynching.
Also, massive could you explain the town motivation behind saying something like this in public?The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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might explain why i have too many nullscum reads.
nacho, maruchan, and oversoul are probably town. everyone else is nullscum/jester/lurksack/gibberish. i need to take some time to interact with the people in those categories because I don’t have anywhere near enough townreads and that worries me.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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wgeurts (in oranje crush hydra) botching his fakeclaim in wdpt as SK: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6681668
is why botched fake claim made more sense to me than jester for a while.
calling for massclaims in twilight 1, roflclaiming commuter (better to try to draw the nightkill since he was actually a commuter), using the wrong definition of amnesiac (that was the fakeclaim part). later “remembered” some kind of ability that let him see the dead’s role pms and then tried to crumb mafia traitor to one of the scum teams. and later on practically bragging about some of the nightkills once he stopped commuting and started using his nightkill.
just lots of little things seemed familiar.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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You should venge her for us
VOTE: Jeanne11 finally people are seeing the light. like she seems to be post restricted or something too (or maybe she always posts gibberish? it’s hard to tell with her) but unlike nacho she’s not trying to communicate or scumhunt or do anything at all.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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In post 18, Jeanne11 wrote:Yeah, I am feeling cynical, cos there seems to be a conspiracy against me here bent on creating a wall between me and certain game I desperately want to join, which is still in sign-ups.....*insert sadface here*
A rules infraction has been assessed for this post.
this is why i thought she might be post restricted.
but like, if you compare her ISO with nacho’s (whose post restriction seems to beworse) it’s like night and day.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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In one of my completed games, one of the scum was scumreading everyone but himself and the person he was buddying.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
Modding checklists | Sequencer is in Game 5 | Space II is in Day 4-
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Plotinus Kitten Caboodle
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VOTE: massiveThe failure mode of clever is asshole.
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Plotinus Kitten Caboodle
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….are you trying to get modkilled?The failure mode of clever is asshole.
Modding checklists | Sequencer is in Game 5 | Space II is in Day 4-
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Plotinus Kitten Caboodle
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you just claimed scum with another player. that usually gets people modkilled.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
Modding checklists | Sequencer is in Game 5 | Space II is in Day 4-
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Plotinus Kitten Caboodle
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might depend on the mod, but i thought it was a “regardless of truth value” sort of thing. In my last game, I asked the mod if I could claim scum with a dead townie during twilight trolling if I was lynched and he said no, even though that clearly would have been a joke.
Anyway, I hope you don’t get in trouble. I like you, though I know this game probably isn’t much fun for you at the moment.
You have my permission to turn me into a double voter by sheeping me if you want to.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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Plotinus Kitten Caboodle
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lolThe failure mode of clever is asshole.
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Plotinus Kitten Caboodle
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I cannot blame you, no. You are only trying to play to wincon, after all.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
Modding checklists | Sequencer is in Game 5 | Space II is in Day 4-
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Plotinus Kitten Caboodle
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