Mini 1675 ~ Choose Your Side (Game Over)

[Plotinus]

so you don’t like mewthree’s push on you and you disagree with the push on massive as well? disagree with mewthree voteparking anyone who doesn’t want to lynch massive tomorrow? think it’s an easy way of scumhunting or appearing to scumhunt?

[Nachomamma8]

so you don’t like mewthree’s push on you and you disagree with the push on massive as well? disagree with mewthree voteparking anyone who doesn’t want to lynch massive tomorrow? think it’s an easy way of scumhunting or appearing to scumhunt?

I AM GROOT I AM GROOT

[Nachomamma8]

Massive needs to claim.

Also, what's this about tildes?

What happens if I post a tilde?

VOTE: massive

According to the VC he's no longer on fire.

Looking for third-person parties that can win with the town is about the most interesting thing anyone has said this game. That's not a bad idea. I assume that's you, Plotinus. And my vote is parked (with reasons) on scum, so I'm not sure why people would think I'm not scum scumhunting.

Can anyone opposed to a D2 massive lynch raise their hand, so I can vote them?

Can anyone opposed to a D2 massive lynch raise their hand,

raise their hand,

massive is scum, dude. the question is, are you scum with him?

VOTE:

groot

nacho

Diginova, are you for or against a massive D2 lynch?

I like diginova







Maruchan, massive lynch D2, yea or nea?

Guys lynch the mod

Hmmmm


VOTE: purple peanut butter

[Plotinus]

I can see that, okay. Thanks for explaining it to me.

pedit: the quotes you put in 602 look like they’re also a bit obsessed with how massive’s ability works.

[Nachomamma8]

obsessed

massive

[Nachomamma8]

obsessed

massive

Guys lynch the mod

Hmmmm


VOTE: purple peanut butter

[Plotinus]

obsessed with massive, and still more interested in playing with game mechanics than in helping consolidate onto a viable lynch candidate when most people are sitting around on vanity wagons.
?

[Nachomamma8]

obsessed with massive, and still more interested in playing with game mechanics than in helping consolidate onto a viable lynch candidate when most people are sitting around on vanity wagons.
?

i am groot

[Nachomamma8]

Massive needs to claim.

Also, what's this about tildes?

What happens if I post a tilde?

VOTE: massive

According to the VC he's no longer on fire.

Looking for third-person parties that can win with the town is about the most interesting thing anyone has said this game. That's not a bad idea. I assume that's you, Plotinus. And my vote is parked (with reasons) on scum, so I'm not sure why people would think I'm not scum scumhunting.

Can anyone opposed to a D2 massive lynch raise their hand, so I can vote them?

Can anyone opposed to a D2 massive lynch raise their hand,

raise their hand,

massive is scum, dude. the question is, are you scum with him?

VOTE:

groot

nacho

Diginova, are you for or against a massive D2 lynch?

I like diginova







Maruchan, massive lynch D2, yea or nea?

Guys lynch the mod

Hmmmm


VOTE: purple peanut butter

obsessed

massive

Guys lynch the mod

Hmmmm


VOTE: purple peanut butter

[Plotinus]

ok, then i didn’t understand quoting 577. something about their interaction with wgeurts? being obsessed with massive but then suddenly responding to the jester with a joke vote?

[Nachomamma8]

i

f

obsessed with massive

y

in playing with game mechanics

[Nachomamma8]

being obsessed with massive but then suddenly responding to the jester with

game mechanics

[Plotinus]

oh, i see.

Do you think mew vs massive is SvS or TvS?

[Plotinus]

oh, i see.

Do you think mew vs massive is

SvS or SvT

?

EBWOP (got the letters the wrong way around)

[Nachomamma8]

SvT

[Plotinus]

ok.

I’m remembering when I was scum and my buddy used dice tags to try to decide if he should hammer someone without a claim so i was trying to bus him and i was tunnelling him and i was almost doing well at not looking like i was bussing i think, but after a while I noticed that there were 48 references to wagon in my ISO and almost all of them were commenting on my buddy’s wagon, i’d keep commenting what it meant when it was slow, what it meant when it was fast, kept noticing people resisting his wagon, kept worrying the wagon wasn’t going anywhere, etc. By the time i noticed i was obsessing like that i already had spent way too many posts on the issue. And then it took me two day phases to get him lynched because I’m rubbish at wagondriving. Luckily, no one else figured out what it meant that i was that obsessed with him and I lynched the people who were resisting his wagon and then I won.

but that’s why i asked if you thought it was SvS, because that’s the only time i remember obsessing like that.

[massive]

Nice way to take my reply too far out of context.

Nice way to overreact to my town read of you. Come on, I know it was late, but read the joke in that post.

Massive - I think is probably scum given that ability. At least not town. That ability seems more "this role needs to survive" more than "town ability".

Well yeah. I'm the only townie. If I don't survive, evidently it's going to be a bunch of SKs and Survivors and whatnot fighting it out. (Man, I can't even THINK of that many 3rd-Party roles so I bet you guys got some doozies.)

Agree about massive.

(that my ability must be scum) -- your flip-flopping read on me is giving me heartburn. Am I scum or am I town? Or, like Maruchan I guess, am I town-leaning-third-party-with-beneficial-to-town-ability-but-with-no-exposed-win-condition?

I want to say "When I am revealed as town, go back and look at all the people who are convinced I am not the same alignment as them" but I really really don't know what good that does. Add diginova now to the stack of people saying "must be" third party.

[Plotinus]

Sorry, I don’t know. I don’t know what to make of you. That’s why I’m flipflopping: because I can see it both ways. You seem to have a lot of town paranoia which seems town, your ability looks more like a scum ability to me, I think I’m thinking of you as townleaning third party. I guess I have you in there with maruchan somewhere.

The only time i’ve seen someone be lynchproof was in we didn’t playtest this when Brantz had this 3 shot commute thing that let him remove himself from the game entirely (and be unlynchable and be unable to targeted by night actions too) as a result, which your being on fire thing seems somewhat analogous too. Also in my offsite scum game we had a mafia doctor that made the target be lynchproof (there were lots of 1 shot deathproofs townies in the game so surviving a lynch attempt wasn’t as obvious a scum claim as it looked). the 1 shot deathproof townies had it as a passive ability, not an active one.

But I don’t have all that much experience yet and setup spec is hard. The wiki says that lynchproof can show up as all alignments, so it’s possibly a coincidence that i’ve only seen it as a scum role before. If it helps, my opinion on setup spec is that faulty setup spec is why we lost We Didn’t Playtest This so I put more weight on scumhunting.

[MewThree]

SvT

So you think I'm scum and massive is town?

[diginova]

Since im pretty sure you're ALL scum

Because you're all scum. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who picked "town" for their motivation.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only townie.

I can only assume you want to direct some unknown pro-town role to kill wgeurts so you can use your scum kill elsewhere.

I'm pretty sure that I'm the only townie in this game, and I'm not using any night kill I may or may not have to kill some unknown third party when I need to get rid of scum. And at this point, I couldn't care less whether an unknown third party wins along with me.

Why do you think I'm scum? Is it still because I keep saying I'm the only townie? And before you go quoting the game signup like Oversoul did, note that that guarantee is not in the actual game rules. Also note that the possibility exists that you are ALL third-party and I actually AM the only townie, which would be hilarious.

I have no problem naming townreads. I just have none.
...
If I'm the only townie, then there's likely multiple scum teams, and the only thing preventing one from winning is the presence of the other. Or, heck, otherS, I imagine.

I've already noted a perfectly practical (and possible in this game) way that I could actually be the only townie.

I have perfectly legitimate reasons to believe I am the only townie in this game. They are not related to Mafia in general (see: any other game I've ever played) or to pot.

Well yeah. I'm the only townie. If I don't survive, evidently it's going to be a bunch of SKs and Survivors and whatnot fighting it out. (Man, I can't even THINK of that many 3rd-Party roles so I bet you guys got some doozies.)

I've never seen anyone in a game of mafia so single-minded about one topic literally the entire game, even when the rest of the players are trying to convince him otherwise. That's why I'd be fine voting him tomorrow; that sort of single-mindedness leads to mislynches (hey, he doesn't care who is lynched, as he's the only townie) and isn't beneficial to Town in general.

[diginova]

I'd be fine with a skold lynch today, though I'll wait until a VC to see if either way of voting gets a rules infraction before doing so, as I don't have the liberty of taking any, and Oversoul's original vote for someone not on the player list (Ushiromi) got him infracted.

[massive]

I've never seen anyone in a game of mafia so single-minded about one topic literally the entire game, even when the rest of the players are trying to convince him otherwise. That's why I'd be fine voting him tomorrow; that sort of single-mindedness leads to mislynches (hey, he doesn't care who is lynched, as he's the only townie) and isn't beneficial to Town in general.

That's an interesting change in position from 445 / 470 / 497. Especially since only ONE of your quoted items has happened in between then and now. Who are you trying to win over in the "we should lynch massive tomorrow" camp?

[diginova]

That was four days ago, and it's interesting you ignored my 512 and 564.
The posts you stated are me trying to convince you of your error, and your 616 proves that trying that is like reasoning with a brick wall.

I want to say "When I am revealed as town, go back and look at all the people who are convinced I am not the same alignment as them"

? This is in

the same post

where you say you're the only town yet again. Please explain your reasoning.

[massive]

512 SHOULD be a null and you should know that, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. 564 doesn't help your case because it's an statement devoid of any reasoning, and makes your flip-flop that much more evident.

As for the quote? Well, I don't know how to express it. Mafia is a game of truth and lies, and the people who lie the best are the ones for which there is an element of truth. I guess ultimately what I'm trying to say there is, I think in this game it's going to be easy for a lot of people to point to me and say "oh he's third-party" since the only truth they need is "he's not the same alignment as me" to confidently say that.

[diginova]

Yeah, but going entirely off of your belief that you're the only town, why would you flipping town matter at all?
If your belief is correct, nobody would need to lie as they

would

be different alignments than you are.
Since you aren't the only town, it is a valid reasoning line to go on, I just didn't see why you in particular were making that claim, given your beliefs.