VOTE: Salamance
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In post 46, Firebringer wrote:
You misspelled that chief.
Hey, Elbirn. We continuing the tradition of always being on opposite teams?
In post 53, Firebringer wrote:Challenge: Red Jaguars
Firebringer goes with the strategy of YOLO.
It is a flawless strategy.
Fire, I really, really hope we get to play on the same team someday.
VOTE: Firebringer-
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In post 0, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Hello, and welcome to the second game of Legends of the Hidden Temple! Let's meet the teams!
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Purple Penguins
Elbirn
Titus
(Anyway I'm reading now, maybe I'll make a post before I go to sleep)-
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In post 109, Kaito Kirishima wrote:In post 79, Elbirn wrote:In post 46, Firebringer wrote:
You misspelled that chief.
Hey, Elbirn. We continuing the tradition of always being on opposite teams?
In post 53, Firebringer wrote:Challenge: Red Jaguars
Firebringer goes with the strategy of YOLO.
It is a flawless strategy.
Fire, I really, really hope we get to play on the same team someday.
VOTE: Firebringer
It this really a reason to suspect someone? Based off the fact they've been scum in previous games where you were townie? I kind of like the idea of that , but I will not vote for such a reason.
In post 110, Shiro wrote:Where is Davsto he has to see this gambler Fallacy
In post 111, Firebringer wrote:lol, he would try to vote Elbirn for this
And et al, everyone telling me that I'm voting fire because gamblers fallacy. Which...isn't what I did.
His litle back and forth about "haha are we finally on the same team, who knowwws " struck me as a scummy reaction. Like he's teasing me about it. I read it as scum. I'm not voting him for never rolling the same alignment as me and saying that I am seems like a really shitty way to discard my vote and tell me I'm bad.
Anyway, what really gets me is making a challenge on PAGE FUCKIN 3, when the challenged hadn't even posted yet. I could go on about how bad that is but davstos beat me to it a post or two above (tho I totes told titus the exact same thing in our pt I am not bad guys pls believe)
Anyway
Fire brings the lynch pool to 4 people. Right off the bat. If he's scum he can guarantee no scummates are killed today. And then everyone throws him a townread because "lol that's too dumb and reckless to not be town"
Fuck. That.
It makes a world of sense for fire to do this as scum. It makes zero sense to do it as town.
Like, jeez. He essentially showed up and gladiated someone for his rvs. And he's already bragging about doing it again day 2? No. Nooooo. He's either scum (my personal belief) or worst case scenario he's town that is going to sabotage us so bad that he is my first officially endorsed policy lynch in any of my games ever.
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As an aside. The correct town play to make here would be to play conservatively; to gather everyone's input, decide as a whole who needs to be lynched before a challenge is issued, and then systematically lynch that player.
Suggestion: imagine a world where no challenge has been issued for this phase. Everyone casts an unofficial vote. We could keep an unofficial vote count. Once we've agreed who dies today by way of unofficial vote, we challenge their team and kill em off. Not agreeing to do this = scum throwing up smoke and disorienting us. *stares at fire*
In post 112, Shiro wrote:Btw people should stop voting FB unless they can explain why scum would so carelessly townread their PT buddy and why scum would issue a challenge so early and put their life on the line.
Because everything I just said.
In post 147, Firebringer wrote:In post 145, Elbirn wrote:This game is too fast atm and I'm at work so Ima do that.
I expect more votes on fire by the time I come back because holy fuck
Always a ball playing with you Elbirn.
And you as well fire, never take any of my snarky jabs personally, you guys know I love you all, I love everyone. Sometimes I just want to be a dick. ^^-
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In post 181, Firebringer wrote:I am impulsive. What can I say Elbirn?
I am more conservative as scum, remember my games as scum?
Aaand then you invalidated your own meta by being aware of it, thus making it more likely that you'd try to act contrary to your meta...you know, by being reckless.-
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*popcorn*
Yaknow I typed a lot of words right now and then decided they didn't mean much. The tldr is vedith feels town to me. I played with scum-him once. This doesn't feel like that.
As for buddying his "buddy" that's a null tell at worst. Frankly I'd think that if either of them are town, they'd be super pumped to be on a "team" with each other, and regardless of the others alignment that feeling would he reciprocated (or if scum, pretended to be reciprocated). If they were both scum, I'd expect them to be...more mild. Milquetoast. Not so blatant about townreading each other.
In short
Vedith town
Fire still scum
Also this is pretty obvious but Molla is town and I'm predicting vyse will lurk this phase out, the cheeky bastid.-
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In post 311, Titus wrote:Starting to get paranoid of Sal+Elbrin but mostly on Sal's play...
In post 314, Titus wrote:@sal, because you did something I predicted that I only mentioned in hood....
@vyse, when he quits acting scummy I can
In post 321, Titus wrote:@Sal, no I told Elbrin how d1 lynches go down considering we both at the time scum read FB. There were five phases. I was doing one and two, and you jumped in with phase 3.
So...I'm scum with Sally because I told him your sekrit plan. Even tho he was already doing it. Because it's not a plan so much as it is an analysis of how lynches are formed.
So basically Sally was breathing, and you were telling me how breathing works, and then he exhaled so clearly I told him in our scum chat your synopsis on breathing.
Well titus I'm glad to know that you're town. Scum doesn't moon logic like that.-
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In post 373, Firebringer wrote:If you guys think my lynch would give the most information.
I say go for it.
...I don't think anyone saying it gives info
And I think lynching for information is a stupid concept. I'd rather lynch to kill scum like a normal person.
But look fire I'm gonna level with you, I don't even know if I think you're scum anymore, I'm not as confident on that front as I made out to be. Ya got me *throws hands up* but at this stage you're a far better vote than vedith or Molla who I'm seeing as being pretty solidly town. It's either you or vyse and vyse isn't here.
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So I guess what I'm trying to say is
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vysepresident
Vyseeee, come out and playyyyyyyyy
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Ahh.
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In post 410, Metal Sonic wrote:elbirn you scum huh?
Nah dog
Roolz of mafia
1. Elbirn always rolls town
2. There are no other rules
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But yeah man Sally was scum, idk what you're doing replacing his slot. I feel bad being on the opposite team from you.-
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In post 470, Firebringer wrote:I have been giving reads mostly to Vedith in our PT.
Shiro = Scum
Elbirn = Scum
Titus = Scum.
I am hoping one of you (BBMolla and VysePresident) flips scum.
Right now a little unsure.
I got some decent reactions to everything to give me good feelings of those three being scum though.
Fire
You spelled town wrong
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In post 491, Firebringer wrote:Elbirn, you is a funny dude.
I will give you a callback to something you said earlier:
"Maybe one game we will be on the same team together [Name Redacted]"
But fire we are
I pulled the stick out of my ass a while ago and realized that this whole lynch pool is town-
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In post 496, Davsto wrote:Well we gots to lynch someone, though.
Speaking of which
UNVOTE:
Idk who I want lynched but it sure isn't vyse-
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In post 591, Vedith wrote:So what if all 4 are town Elbirn?
Or do you believe that Molla is actually scum?
That's the shit part, I have varying degrees of townread on all 4. Molla is the weakest of my reads.-
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In post 601, Firebringer wrote:@Elbirn I don't see what you are townreading, and I don't know if you are intentionally trying to weaken my scumread on you or you don't care or I am lost. I feel like this is buddying.
*scratches head* townreading is not buddying. Idk man, at some point a light flicked on and I realized I'm being an ass and youre just town. I don't want you dead unless you threaten to hijack tomorrows phase again.-
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I haven't said words in a while
Molla I was really excited to see you in a game because all I really know of you is speakeasy threads and such, but honestly I'm really underwhelmed with what I'm seeing here. Like you're a cool guy but I am not happy with your play.
We get down to basically a 1v1 between you and vedith and your response is to cross your arms and tell us that we're all idiots if we lynch you. I see very little in the way of actual content, just lots of insults and insisting that you're obvious town.
I'm sorry but you're not.
On the off chance that you actually are town, and those outbursts are real, I'm sorry we caused you to have a not-fun experience with this, I really am.
As of this time we have 3 fairly town people who are all providing content, and youre null at best. Its time to move on.-
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Red Jaguars
BBmolla - scum
VysePresident - town
Blue Barracudas
Davsto - town
Prolapsed Brain - ugh
Green Monkeys
Kaito Kirishima - town
Suzune - town
Orange Iguanas
Firebringer - town
Vedith - town
Silver Snakes
Metal SonicSalamence20- scum
Shiro - town
Purple Parrots
Elbirn - nk immune miller vig
Titus - town
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Yeah I know everyone's a townread whup dee doo.
Strongest townread: Vyse, davsto, Suzune, fb, vedith
Weakest townread: pb, kaito, Shiro, Titus
Vyse is obvtowning it up
Davsto gives me warm and fuzzies
Suzy q, fb, and vedith: I've played with Suzy as a scummate, in a nightless game. This isn't scum suzune. I've played against fb/vedith when they were both scummates and I was town, and fb/vedith as town when I was scum. They're both town.
If there's scum in my big bucket of town they're in my weaker reads. Pb is consistently lynchbait and I don't know how to read him. Ya got me there. Kaito and shiro felt enthusiastic and townie and I don't see scum there but they...just don't fit into my strongest reads I DON'T KNOW OKAY
Titus....titustitustitus. I think titus is town but I fear her scum game and I want to be cautious. I'm really not feeling a titus lynch any time soon and I'd like to work with her more.
Particularly in lynching metal sonic who's pretty obvscum rn.-
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In post 762, Kaito Kirishima wrote:FB=Scum unless his yolo challenge works out in getting a scum lynched.
BBmolla=Scum for being way to aggresive and getting super defensive if your town their is no reason to freak out.
Prolasped Brain= (lurking scum maybe*) i mean this dude has done nothing.
Titus=Scum he just screams scum with the way he's been acting, I would be ok with his team being challenged on day 2.
In post 775, Kaito Kirishima wrote:
So if the person that gets lynched flips town that makes me auto scum if I'm reading this statement correctly?
It's cute how you try to setup this mislynch on fire, and then when someone does the exact same thing to you you question it.-
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In post 747, BBmolla wrote:i don't know what it is
every fucking game as town with these newer players i get run up cause they're bad
then the ONLY FUCKING WAY to get them to stop lynching me is to throw a fit
this is literally the fourth time this has happened
Riveting commentary. Do you have anything of substance to add or just more of this pretentious crap?-
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In post 816, Firebringer wrote:I think I should issue the next challenge.
I want town in charge of that shit.
I will of course wait for a consensus though.
God, no.-
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In post 808, Firebringer wrote:Okay, so yeah.
Vedith, nothing personal bro.
We need to get out of this rut we are in though. That I massively hate.
VOTE: Vedith
Everyone feel free to yell at me.
I will be extremely shocked if Vedith flips guard.
Again, UGH.
I just want this day over. And go sulk in a corner for causing a mislynch.
i really really didn't want to lynch Vedith.
I feel like someone said we're at l-1, anyway yeah this was the hammer. We're in twilight.
Can we use this time to be nice to each other? We all got really really mean and it's not cool.
How are you fire?
And you, molla? How you holding up?
I like your avvy lots.-
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So I'm thinking about da things
1. We need to look at Salamence and sonics (particularly sally) interactions with vedith. I find it odd that sally would hard push vedith for the whole time he was here, even attempting to bully shiro into voting him. Frankly idk how to interpret that and I'm hoping someone smarter than me can, atm I feel it could have been a bad bus/distancing attempt.
Which especially jives with my feeling that sallys painfully awkward interactions with fb were of a scum (sally) toying with town (fb)
Cuz I mean shit fuck if you dont realize fb is town at this point idk what to say to you
2. We need to look at where kaitos vote ended up yesterday, if memory serves it did not end up on vedith and I wanna see how he reacted towards the wagon, etc.
3. PB votes and pushes are bad and idk what to say at this point because asdf.
Here's the thing, I have an extreme aversion to lynchbait. I don't vote lynchbait. You can read a few of my games and see me declaring such, and explaining in detail that I feel this way and why, and so on. I don't do it. Everytime I see everyone clamoring for someone's head on the basis that they're bad, literally every time, they have been town. Fuck that shit idc if they're bad lynching team mates is anti win condition. It is infinitely better to talk to these people and engage them and find out that, oh shit they're actually town and they're not that bad.
My dilemma is that I have no idea if my philosophy can extend to scumsucks who literally never post or do anything the way that PB ritually does. I can't reach out to pb. I can't work with him. He's not here. He will never be here. You can't possibly read him as anything.
So my thoughts on lynching him are pretty much this
3a. PB needs to die the day before lylo, not a moment sooner or later.
3b. Everyone clamoring for PB's head at the moment is getting the stinkeye from me for pushing a really shitty, easy kill. I'd also like to note that there's no one in this game defending him, which could be a decent indicator that he doesn't have scum buddies to back him up-
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In post 961, Shiro wrote:Elbrin if you were scum with PB as he is now. Would you defend him ?
Yeah, I'd defend the fuck out of him, and I'd use my meta of defending lynchbait to wave off any accusations of me defending a team mate after his inevitable flip.
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Pb/kaito/sonic
The power of math and PoE says scum is this. I for one reason or another have townreads on, well, everyone almost. I feel really confident about those reads.
After thinking for 5 seconds pb has to be scum because there's nothing else, so I lied, kill him. I feel good about kaito and sonic being scum. Everyone else I feel good about as town.
I could be wrong about...maaaybe vyse but that's a stretch, and maybe titus/shiro.-
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It's dean from the iron giant ^^
Also my name is Elbirn tyty
Uhm I'm going to work imminently and I'll answer whatever questions when better able, but yes, I can't read pb, therefore don't lynch pb because all we have is mathematical odds of his being scum, which is 3/11 which isn't very good
Or at least that's what my position was, and pretty much describes my feelings on lynching nulls.
But then I use the power of better math and realize that if everyone else is town, pb must be scum. Like I said earlier when I narrowed the game down to pb/kaito/sonic
Also vedith defending him looks bad
There's no conflict here dawgy dawg-
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So I skimmed from pb being at l-1 onwards just looking to see if I was too late to hammer
And I was but it's okay because pb was town like fuck I knew he was gonna be town I H8 playing with pb
And now I'm here but I haven't read the past like two pages
Can we kill sonic?
Pedit, Suzune is so fucking town rn, no-
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Honestly?
Cuz I'm more confident in town Suze than a lot of others
I'd want bbmolla/vyse versus sonic/shiro
Molla is hands down off the table like fucking no, but I have doubts about vyse. Regardless, I want sonic to be the next corpse. Shiro is on the towny side.
So basically it's sonic versus vyse
Does that sound gewd or nah?
GUYS I'M AT WORK STOP TALKING TO ME UGH-
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I am tired and going to bed but titus wanted my thoughts and like
I have a gut townread on Suzune that I am bad at explaining but now idk about it because I'm pretty sure there's 2 scum in suzune/vyse/shiro/davsto and honestly have some degree of townread on all of them, gg.
I will give you wonderful people more of my time tomorrow. We should probs not rush this day seeing as weve killed like 4 people in the span of 3 days-
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In post 1059, Davsto wrote:In post 1039, Titus wrote:Definitely worth considering.
My plan since Kaito flipped scum is any L minus 1 read puts forth the challenge for the next day. If we mislynch, we follow the townies challenge. If scum, the L minus 1 forces associations or claiming scum.
Right now, I want Sonic to actually fucking answer my questions. I could go for a Sonic v PB challenge. That or a Sonic v Vyse challenge. PB does have a point on the votes there.
I'm meh with this. Having a proper, mechanical strategy over just challenging with town consensus allows scum to potentially control challenges to their advantage.
PEdit fair enough.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
Wagon ho!
Like the soulless mechanical strategery you're purporting now YOU SCUMSHIT D:<-
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Anyone ever play with shiro before by chance? As either alignment?
Cuz like idk him and I really felt like suzie was more townie this game than her last where she and I were scumbuddies but maybe it's just that this game is faster and more active so she appears more engaged...but I also don't think she would make up whatever she said she said in her pt with kaito, actually no yes she would Ughhh fuck
Either way vyse is scum. His scumtell is that he obvtowns early, whereas actually town vyse starts off weak and then after a few days has really solid reads. If he obvtowns early it's because he's making his shit up and he's good at it. Or something. There you go, spoilers, I revealed the troooofffff.-
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Wait
No
He's town. Because of my earlier elbirn moonlogic, and kaitos comment on it sure doesn't feel like scummates talking about each other, AND ALSO I have more elbirn moonlogic! I had a theory that blablabla psychology, and anyone showing pride in their hidden temple team is town because...because if you're town that's your team. If you're scum, your hype and your loyalty is for your scumteam.
Town feels belonging and pride in *their* team, which in this case is their hidden temple assignment
Scum feels belonging in their scumfuck private thread where the scumfucks belong
Shiro was really feckin proud of being a silver snake and making banners for everyone wasn't he.-
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In post 1359, Davsto wrote:In post 1358, Elbirn wrote:Am I going to be shouted down if I suggest that suzune and shiro are highly unlikely to be partners at least?
Duh
In post 1360, Davsto wrote:As in - it's bloody obvious.
In post 1361, Shiro wrote:In post 1358, Elbirn wrote:Am I going to be shouted down if I suggest that suzune and shiro are highly unlikely to be partners at least?
Amazing deduction.
@Suzu Unvote me. We need to be the ones to hammer >: D
See I predicted I would say that and then everyone would say something about blabla wifom if they're partners it's the perfect play because it clears whoever survives and then they'll win
But I'm glad to see none of you are ninnies
Anyway if vyse is scum I don't see why he'd push a scum buddy suzune as one of his chief scumreads.
My tinfoil hat is telling me that it's titus and vyse, actually.-
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In post 1400, Davsto wrote:I'm challenging Titus tomorrow, in case you couldn't tell.
Counter offer
Let me challenge vyse/molla.
Cuz I want vyse dead really bad, and I'd also rather we have some options open other than "kill titus because I Shanghaied thus phase"