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Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:43 pm

Vote: Ankamius

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #27 (isolation #1) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:40 am

I have a wild guess as to why, but i'll let him answer, I do have a slight townlean on Thor however i'll sheep

Vote: Davsto

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #36 (isolation #2) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:44 am

In post 32, Davsto wrote:I'd expect a more varied spread of votes in RVS.

Really? I'd expect the opposite, RVS wagons are great.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #42 (isolation #3) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:55 am

In post 41, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 38, Davsto wrote:Maybe Sakura's I don't like that much, but I've never been one to read RVS well.

What's with this wishy-washy stance?

~Sakura

Derp

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #45 (isolation #4) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:57 am

In post 44, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 43, Davsto wrote:
In post 41, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 38, Davsto wrote:Maybe Sakura's I don't like that much, but I've never been one to read RVS well.

What's with this wishy-washy stance?

~Sakura
I'd rather be honest and admit I don't really get RVS than act all cocky with a slight read knowing it's probably wrong.

If you think it's probably wrong, why not pursue it further and find out instead of sitting there? I don't get it

~Sakura

I probably should unbookmark this from my main

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #46 (isolation #5) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:58 am

Sorry anti haven't played in hydra in a while

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #49 (isolation #6) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:01 am

In post 47, Davsto wrote:So why did you sheep Thor whilst changing your vote?

Already mentioned:

In post 27, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:I do have a slight townlean on Thor

In post 36, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:RVS wagons are great.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #53 (isolation #7) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:08 am

In post 50, Davsto wrote:You have a townread on someone who has made only 7 posts? Elaborate.

Because of the way he voted you, i know RVS wagons are a great way to get started and get out of RVS and i saw that as town motivated.

~Sakura

P-Edit: Yeah, I agree with Thor, why you have an issue with my townread on him and not an issue with his townread on Cataphant?
P-Edit2: That's an explanation? I disagree about that. He only said his thread came because of something thread related, never said what the thread specifically came from.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #54 (isolation #8) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:09 am

In post 53, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:never said what the
read
specifically came from.

Fixed that for me.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #57 (isolation #9) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:15 am

Ok, so my guess about Thor's townread on Cataphant was probably wrong.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #69 (isolation #10) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:49 am

In post 67, Thor665 wrote:and voting someone I thought was town

Considering he asked you why you think they are town, have you considered that maybe he doesn't think they're town?
I don't think Davsto's town, but this seems like an odd logic for thinking Davsto's scum

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #72 (isolation #11) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:51 am

My current issue with Davsto is that he apparently thinks my sheeping Thor was something he disliked, he asked me a couple of questions and left it at that, along with some fence sitty / wishy-washy stances.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #75 (isolation #12) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:56 am

Oh btw for reference, i tend to always sign my posts, dunno if notty will sign his, but if not something not signed = notty unless I state otherwise (usually in the form of quoting the post and signing it)

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #77 (isolation #13) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:58 am

In post 74, Concrete Angels wrote:However, she claims to be sheeping Thor, but at the same time she is attacking davsto and coming up with reasons to scumread him, while massaging Thor's ego and buddying him. Now, I don't know about you, but the reasoning usually comes BEFORE the vote/scumread, not after.

I sheeped Thor because i wanted an RVS wagon going.
Davsto's play afterwards only has increased my suspicion on him.

I don't know about you but usually when you're voting a player means you think they are scum and engage with them to either strengthen or weaken that read.
Also yeah, we haven't played in a while, but i'm more confident nowadays.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #78 (isolation #14) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:00 am

In post 74, Concrete Angels wrote:I'm honestly just waiting to get with MS because he has more experience with her and notscience.

Although i'd like to think you're town for this, i don't see why scum you wouldn't want to just aggro on me, and instead decided to consult with your other head who has more experience with the more recent me.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #82 (isolation #15) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:05 am

In post 79, Concrete Angels wrote:
In post 77, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:you think they are scum and engage with them to either strengthen or weaken that read.

Ok. I don't.

I don't vote first, and then ask questions. I ask questions and then vote.

So basically it's a playstyle difference then.

Basically my impression is that if you were scum you wouldn't mind just going aggro on me if you have suspicions on me, but you wanting to talk with your other head makes me think you're actually wanting an opinion from someone that knows your alignment beforehand, so i think you're probably town.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #87 (isolation #16) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:14 am

In post 84, Davsto wrote:This post seems off. It starts off with an "although", implying that there is going to be a negative counter to the good point, but there isn't one.

It comes across that Sakura originally wanted to make a negative point but then realised she couldn't, so she just made it a positive point and forgot to edit out the remnants.

This post seems like reaching for a reason to scumread me

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #89 (isolation #17) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:14 am

In post 85, Concrete Angels wrote:There's zero concern from her about Thor's stance or alignment at all. That's pretty incongruent.

Do you usually have concerns on people you're townreading?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #90 (isolation #18) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:15 am

In post 89, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:
In post 85, Concrete Angels wrote:There's zero concern from her about Thor's stance or alignment at all. That's pretty incongruent.

Do you usually have concerns on people you're townreading?

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #93 (isolation #19) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:17 am

In post 91, Concrete Angels wrote:
In post 89, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:
In post 85, Concrete Angels wrote:There's zero concern from her about Thor's stance or alignment at all. That's pretty incongruent.

Do you usually have concerns on people you're townreading?

On page 1 or 2.... uh... yes. First of all, at the time you "sheeped", there was no reason to be townreading Thor. It was clearly an arbitrary selection. Secondly, are you so sure about your townread on him that you would not question it at all and follow him blindly?

Not really, Thor's posting afterward has been increasing the townread, i haven't seen a reason to question him yet, except in the one post I quoted, which im still awaiting an answer for

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #94 (isolation #20) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:18 am

I already answered that question before:

In post 53, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:
In post 50, Davsto wrote:You have a townread on someone who has made only 7 posts? Elaborate.

Because of the way he voted you, i know RVS wagons are a great way to get started and get out of RVS and i saw that as town motivated.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #101 (isolation #21) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:36 am

In post 99, Concrete Angels wrote:So again, you made a decision, and then found reasons to justify it after the fact?

What part of
>Thor does something i think it's town motivated
>Me gets a slight townread
>Thor does stuff that i think it's pro-town
>Townread intensifies
Don't you get.
Ugh this is getting frustrating orz

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #104 (isolation #22) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:40 am

I already answered, I said i saw his vote on the wagon as a way to get an RVS wagon going to get us out of RVS as town motivated, i've quoted it like 2 times... ugh, im just gonna leave the thread for the time being i need a break from this

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #112 (isolation #23) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:41 am

In post 88, Concrete Angels wrote:I am townreading Thor.

p-edit: re: cat's post - "weirdly aggressive". Exactly.

Also please don't do the sqwauk thing. It gives me horrible flashbacks of Dark Age.

SQUAWK

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #113 (isolation #24) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:48 am

I think people who are 'good' at this game should tell me where the scum motivation in Sakura's posting is, because I seem to be missing it!

I see something about incongruence of sheeping someone and not wanting to understand their stance and blahblahblah, but that's dreadfully boring. Hell, I would have voted just for the sake of the flowchart.

There's also ETL blowing what's been done drastically out of proportion- asking why not to second guess a sheep on like page 2 of the game.

While yes, she has been asking for 'simple' explanations, it looks more like she's vastly overexaggerating what has happened.

Of course, this is IIoA.

If they're town I suspect MS will reign her in.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #114 (isolation #25) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:49 am

Hey farside, what's up?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #120 (isolation #26) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:41 am

In post 115, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 112, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:
In post 88, Concrete Angels wrote:I am townreading Thor.

p-edit: re: cat's post - "weirdly aggressive". Exactly.

Also please don't do the sqwauk thing. It gives me horrible flashbacks of Dark Age.

SQUAWK

This was a bad post. I know it's technically not game related but it's like you're trying to convey an "i don't give a fuck" attitude.

Hint: I'm one of the players who she is having "horrible flashbacks" of.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #122 (isolation #27) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:18 am

I'm back for now, mostly to address this:

In post 121, Thor665 wrote:@Sakura - what the hell were you saying int hat sentence?

I don't remember exactly, it was something like I was questioning ETL on something then while i was typing i realized they were most likely town for that sentence, and included it in my next post.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #123 (isolation #28) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:24 am

Also @ETL, did you miss 94 before? It was the answer to your question, i didn't change anything from there towards 104 so i'm wondering why you're ok with it now, unless you missed the first answer.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #125 (isolation #29) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:00 am

Hi Thor.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #128 (isolation #30) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:02 am

Do you think you could elaborate on your super secret cataphant townread?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #130 (isolation #31) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:39 am

I am scumreading them.

I think they are trying hard to oversell a derpy town, along with their vote on us without actually prodding us and trying to read us.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #133 (isolation #32) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:43 pm

I played with him in Disney. He dicked around but that was after farside called him conftown when he really wasn't and even then this feels much more over the top than there.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #155 (isolation #33) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:49 am

I like the points raised against Vedith

Unvote
Vote: Vedith

Also I thought the derp posts were made by bella and not hiplop, but either way @Cataphant: your issue with us is that we are aggresive (or at least me), which is more of a playstyle issue than anything.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #156 (isolation #34) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:51 am

Also Re:Davsto > I have a scumread there and i thought he was trying to argue semantics to prepare for a scumread, that's why i called it a stretch, i did not see it in the way you saw it.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #158 (isolation #35) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 8:25 am

>trying to do something
>Stating a townread.

Does not compute
~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #188 (isolation #36) » Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:43 pm

Good job notty i told you to take care of this while i wasnt feeling ok. Anyway gonna read all i missed

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #189 (isolation #37) » Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:51 pm

In post 163, Lying Cat wrote:Sakura is definitely worth the suspicion, which makes me like cat. The shift onto ved does not.

I swear to god if this becomes another "let's scumread Sakura because we don't like her playstyle or because we like to see her AtE" im just going to sit on the back and let notty handle all the posting =/

In post 164, pistachi0n wrote:You don't like my vote on Hecatia? If I wanted an easy bandwagon I would have put my vote on Vedith.

I do agree that you're not jumping on an easy BW, I disagree that your reasoning for your vote makes sense.

In post 168, farside22 wrote:I'm looking for some unfiltered thoughts from both of you too.

Last you heard from me i was townreading Thor, scumreading Davsto and scumreading Vedith, that hasn't changed, tho im not liking this pistacho guy because he seems like he's assigning an alignment to us and going from there. Last i heard from notty he was also townreading Thor, i didn't ask him for reasons tho, i wasnt feeling well at the time and told him to take care of the hydra in the meantime (which apparently never happened).

Also apparently Davsto has dissapeared and has posts elsewhere, how interesting

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #194 (isolation #38) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:28 am

I wonder how many semantic arguments for me being scum im going to get by the end of the day, meanwhile Vedith continues to avoid this thread by posting elsewhere, and Davsto just Beetlejuice'd

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #213 (isolation #39) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:12 am

In post 212, massive wrote:in a game where word choice and semantics are the bread and butter of every argument

Nope
It's not, otherwise people like me who arent native english speakers would be severely disadvantaged.
It's a game where you see reads and reasons and progressions and reasons for those progressions whether they are natural or not, whether those reasons make sense or not.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #215 (isolation #40) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:33 am

ya kno whos vote is truly great? guess who- massive! of course there is a p good chance this will be ignored.

lets look at who has voted for us- fars, massive, davsto, cat things, wingythingy, pistachios. of the 6 i am townreading 1.

heres the kicker tho- only 3 can be scum and i dont think there is all the scum on us who are scum so that means there are 4 town (mebbe 3 bc fars was more of a policy thing).

can we acknowledge how massive is nitpicking words like thats supposedly a scumtell? ya have to be smoking something to think thats in any way town.

having some second thoughts about cat things. ppl who seem town- fars, etl, thor

ank, cat, dav

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #216 (isolation #41) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:33 am

In post 214, Thor665 wrote:@Hecatia - why do you think the raised issue against you qualifies as simply semantics as opposed to a legit issue with your play on a scum/town scale?

Because their issue is about the way i worded things (i.e. the "increased suspicion" and notty bringing the "flow chart"), My reasoning for my posting is that i have a mixed playstyle out of what i learned from you + reading mastin guides, but at this point im starting to get pissed at people because every single game that im scumread is because "wording" and notty has been mostly absent and he's much easier to read so im here facing off alone against people.

Spoiler: More In-Depth Theory Explanation

Basically if massive thinks that the way i word things is indicative of alignment for me, then he's going to be surprised.

~Sakura

P-Edit: hi notty

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #217 (isolation #42) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:39 am

i 4 one am an advocate of the flowchart bc it is the only way to win all games on mafiascum.

http://i.imgur.com/FYqGO.jpg

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #222 (isolation #43) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:44 am

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #231 (isolation #44) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:35 pm

That would be true if that's what actually happened, but i wasn't laying out any BS about my reads nor backtracked on them, i explained how i got to my reads, your semantics is about the use of a word "Read intensifies" which is actually exactly what i mean it is, it got stronger

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #238 (isolation #45) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:08 am

hi there bulgey!

i cant wait for your thoughts.

meanwhile pistachios is also prob town!

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #242 (isolation #46) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:08 am

that is a grade a vote!

if i was grading on a "can you vote town" scale

bulgey I am still waiting!

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #245 (isolation #47) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:11 am

hahahahahahahahaha

thats funny ms!

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #248 (isolation #48) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:12 am

I've already done my thing, if you can't see it that's not my fault, you shall from now on be faced with notty, unless i have specific questions directed at me for the reason that i am annoyed with this game and i'm just gonna scumhunt on the back

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #249 (isolation #49) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:12 am

no you very clearly cant tell the two of us apart

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #254 (isolation #50) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:14 am

In post 251, Concrete Angels wrote:
In post 248, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:you shall from now on be faced with notty

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sorry but im currently in idgaf mode, if you want to lynch me for it go ahead

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #255 (isolation #51) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:14 am

it shouldnt be any issue right!

granted i see you voting us which does not bode well for you at all no it does not

pedit-

i have shared my thoughts!

if you know you can read me why did you want to differ to ms earlier in the game

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #256 (isolation #52) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:15 am

In post 253, Concrete Angels wrote:
In post 249, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:no you very clearly cant tell the two of us apart

MS can't, but I can.

And you know I can read you. So come on. Let's have at it.

ETL

Wait there's someone who can't read obvtown notty, what the heck?

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #257 (isolation #53) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:15 am

Oh wait it said "can" not "can't" carry on
~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #260 (isolation #54) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:21 am

I did post!

In post 74, Concrete Angels wrote:So... it looks pretty bad and I'm honestly just waiting to get with MS because he has more experience with her and notscience.

this post you mention me which i dont understand why you wouldnt say something like "he has more experience with sakura+ns needs to get his ass in the game" or something like that

rn my reads are-
town-
fars
thor

mebbetown-
cat things
davsto
pistachios

i liked fars early aggression

i liked thor in general

I am not sure on cat things but im leaning town

i kinda like davsto

and pistachios does this thing where its very newb with very simplistic understandings of the game that she did in that mini that just finished and her one post here reminded me of tht!

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #262 (isolation #55) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:23 am

you are welcome now stop voting town!

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #264 (isolation #56) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:24 am

you could selfvote!

i am waiting for bulgey before i get too much further tho

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #266 (isolation #57) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:26 am

In post 265, Concrete Angels wrote:also just noticed you guys dumped the 'notSakura hydra? lol

It was notty's idea.
Also lol, i stopped being lurky in my scum games ages ago, you should know since you were on Makai Mix

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #268 (isolation #58) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:28 am

Anyway if you want to interact with me then ask me questions, i don't see anything directed at me so why are you complaining

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #270 (isolation #59) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:30 am

In post 269, Concrete Angels wrote:sakura what are YOUR reads?

((i trust them more))

`sonic

Thor town, farside maybe town, Davsto scum, Vedith scum, Pistacho maybe scum.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #271 (isolation #60) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:30 am

In post 270, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:
In post 269, Concrete Angels wrote:sakura what are YOUR reads?

((i trust them more))

`sonic

Thor town, farside maybe town, Davsto scum, Vedith scum, Pistacho maybe scum.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #273 (isolation #61) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:32 am

In post 272, Concrete Angels wrote:reasons?

why dont you have a read on us?

sonic

I used to!, But i can't see sonic seeing scum me this game, so i'm starting to get worried about you
I've already explained all my reads except farside who i feel tunnely farside = town farside.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #277 (isolation #62) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:35 am

In post 275, Concrete Angels wrote:oooh, so you're using BoP on me now eh??

do you think it is very easy to differentiate town you and scum you then?

sonic

I'd like to think i'm easy to read.
I'd also like to think notty's easy to read.
Ergo this hydra should be very easy to read.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #280 (isolation #63) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:37 am

In post 278, Concrete Angels wrote:
In post 277, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:
In post 275, Concrete Angels wrote:oooh, so you're using BoP on me now eh??

do you think it is very easy to differentiate town you and scum you then?

sonic

I'd like to think i'm easy to read.
I'd also like to think notty's easy to read.
Ergo this hydra should be very easy to read.

~Sakura

but i don't have a townread on you.... i don't feel comfortable that you are town...

that's a problem, right!

sonic

Not really, well it is, but i dont have a problem with your push on me, because after i flip town, then people can point out to this conversation towards you someone who has supposed tons of experience with both of us, MAGICALLY MISREAD US, and will fall afterwards.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #282 (isolation #64) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:40 am

In post 279, Concrete Angels wrote:you know what, you're easier to read when you're playing solo

s

This feels like a cop out excuse when we're both signing our posts, well notty isn't, but it's obvious who's posting what.

In post 281, Concrete Angels wrote:ok!

if i read you right and you flip scum no hard feelings ok!

just doing my job

ms

Certainly, come at me then!

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #284 (isolation #65) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:45 am

In post 283, Concrete Angels wrote:
In post 282, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:This feels like a cop out excuse when we're both signing our posts, well notty isn't, but it's obvious who's posting what.

your post frequency would be higher when you're solo

ms

I cant seriously believe that you seriously believe this when you've seen me have a high post frequency in hydra during scumgames like: Nyctapolis (notSakura), Makai Mix (Mononoke), and one you haven't been in Disney (CPU Candidates).
So no.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #298 (isolation #66) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:30 pm

what do you think of concrete

also congrats on being the first person to read us right!

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #299 (isolation #67) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:35 pm

i dont feel great so dont expect me back before tomorrow im going to bed thansk

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #319 (isolation #68) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:15 am

In post 301, pistachi0n wrote:wait, what thing? I'm feeling self-conscious now. Are you referring to Frog mafia

yep! iirc you started scumreading someone for some really batshit tell reason that looked like newbtown and the comment re my SQUAWK felt the same

In post 304, Antihero wrote:Hecatia Lapislazuli - 5 (farside22, pistachi0n, massive, Davsto, Concrete Angels)

lol 2 scum on the wagon

In post 305, Vedith wrote:Yeah I'm really not liking the Hecatia wagon. It seems minimal effort. I also like Concrete Angels a lot less for joining onto that wagon with the reason of easy to mis lynch.
Looks like Hecatia is an easier wagon for them to push.
Is Farside's vote RVS or actual?

what motive does scum-vedith have to push the counter to his wagon looks like a mislynch

none!

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #320 (isolation #69) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:26 am

VOTE: concrete

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #324 (isolation #70) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:34 am

i did not anticipate etl to play the "oh my god no we arent scum you are scum!!!!!"

i am clearly wrong let me unvote

UNVOTE:

oh wait yes i did!

VOTE: concrete

and i think anyone who can read my iso can see who im townreading! so by poe it should be p obv

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #326 (isolation #71) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:38 am

GETTEM

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #329 (isolation #72) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:43 am

please actually read my posts!

i am townreading fars pistachios and dav

that is 3/5 voting us

so who could the scum be?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #332 (isolation #73) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:46 am

excpt you aren't town so im not going to consider that?

pedit-

"Who can explain it, who can tell you whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?"

the scumread on us for squawking looks like overeager newbtown who has like this simplistic one-dimensional view of the game based of froggie mafia we just finished id say that fits town pistachios p well.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #335 (isolation #74) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:52 am

if that hypothetical is true then there is only 1 scum on me.

the only one i have the slightest doubts about is davy but nah.

also pistachios is a she!

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #338 (isolation #75) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:56 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7214663

this is what i mean by overeager newbtown

i do not like massive's push on us! its also why i am posting like this because i expect it will drive him nuts :>

that and townreading everyone the rest of the wagon, yep!

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #342 (isolation #76) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:02 am

i can see what you're saying but that read based off the squawk still feels like awkward newbtown to me so ill think over it some

why did you not tear me a new one for being a nonentity early

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #344 (isolation #77) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:12 am

cos thats what was bugging me

i fully expected that type of response especially when i made the squawk and I didnt see any of it and that confused me.

VOTE: massive

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #346 (isolation #78) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:19 am

Even still, given what you've said to me recently that is what I expected out of you if you were town and not seeing it made me think back to the last anti game where you were yelling at me in the scum pt and I was like

"she isnt yelling at me, she must be yelling at me in the scum pt"

But clearly I'm not as sure as I was.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #348 (isolation #79) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:28 am

My thought process was you wanted to proceed calm and collected-ish so you could save it for something more important.

I remember vry little about both of those games, the thing I remember from anti-game was your comments in the maf pt that I just mentioned and you were buddying BC the IC late, and dark ages I remember whiteknighting the fuck out of a gunsmith guilty and the dildo discussion.

I will go back and check later, but it's been FOREVER since we played together and I know you were going to be pissed at me if I was a non-entity which is why me being a non-entity and you not being pissed at me was so weird to me.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #373 (isolation #80) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:45 pm

Its really sad there are Twinkies who think we're scumum

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #394 (isolation #81) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:18 pm

Farside what are your thoughts about massive?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #406 (isolation #82) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:28 am

Thor can you walk me through why you're townreading massive and elaborate on your concrete stance for me?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #426 (isolation #83) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:13 pm

In post 424, Ankamius wrote:Concrete Angels Sep 25, 05:04am Oct 02, 02:45pm 0 days 5 hours 100
Hecatia Lapislazuli Sep 24, 11:43pm Oct 02, 11:28am 0 days 8 hours 83
Thor665 Sep 25, 08:49am Oct 02, 05:34pm 0 days 2 hours 49

In case you aren't aware, we don't have a particular choice considering there's a bullshit wagon on us.

That's been sticky for the better part of the day.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #428 (isolation #84) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:28 pm

If you think we are town, who do you think the scum on our wagon is?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #430 (isolation #85) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:33 pm

Wagon ho?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #432 (isolation #86) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:31 pm

It would be extremely cool if we could not be lynched.

Frankly I'm willing to start survivalism voting but there isn't a solid counterwagon and somehow people think thats okay?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #436 (isolation #87) » Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:21 am

Yeah Vedith, what Ank is doing here makes more logical sense for town, considering he's townreading us. You don't want your votes to be hanging around being useless on vanity wagons, if you scumread multiple of them, your vote is more logical to be on the one that has the most votes.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #437 (isolation #88) » Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:23 am

Although it's not like i'd mind pressure being applied on Ank, since that's how you get to differentiate his town and scum games, but pushing him for something that makes more logical sense for him (or rather most people) as town, isn't going to get any alignment indicative reactions anyway =/

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #442 (isolation #89) » Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:46 am

Farside-

We have a sticky wagon that is on town but the people who aren't on it seem to have no issue with it other htan LC (which I admittedly didn't really notice if he had an issue or not).

There are a ton of lurkers and non-entities which probably means there will be a deadline scramble for a lynch.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #459 (isolation #90) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:21 pm

In post 455, Wingback wrote:Not really. I'd have hoped for a hard push or vote and pressuring me into towntelling.

Scum don't want to pressure lurkers with ten days on the clock. Because that would involve arguing with me, keeping up a sustained push and potentially making me react to pressure in a way that is clearly town to everyone. Scum want lurkers to lurk until 1-2 days to deadline. So, then they can go "why not Wingback?" And people decide to ISO me at that point, think "okay, he's done nothing, let's go with that!"

Problem is, no one has even given me a second glance besides Concrete who I'm already reading as town so I'm assuming scum are among the players crafty enough to not take the easy bait.

This post makes me laugh.

Very much.

Also, we aren't a doublevoter as far as we know.

Anti pls

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #460 (isolation #91) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:32 pm

VOTE: davvyboy

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #462 (isolation #92) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:48 pm

Because I have done some considerable soul searching and looked at your ISO and decided that you look like you need some more votes!

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #463 (isolation #93) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:51 pm

In post 457, Lying Cat wrote:Of course, that brings us to Sakura, which is probably where I would've put the vote if I'd been super active from the start, but here's the rub there: She's in survival mode. She's not gonna do anything alignment indicative right now because she's on the defensive with a big sign reading everyone's out to get me. My response to that is to leave her alone for a little bit and check back when she pops her head out of the turtle shell and I can harass her until I figure her alignment out.

I'd say i've done enough alignment indicative stuff for you to read me. If not for the fact that there's a lot of people scumreading me right now which should be enough of an indication.
#IStillDontKnowWhyIGetTownreadAsScumAndScumreadAsTown

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #465 (isolation #94) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:53 pm

In post 464, Davsto wrote:
In post 462, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Because I have done some considerable soul searching and looked at your ISO and decided that you look like you need some more votes!

That's... not a reason.

Explain
your vote on me. Cite your sources, use evidence to back up your points, so I can see if you're misled town or just scum trying to build a case on a townie.

In post 450, Antihero wrote:
Hecatia Lapislazuli - 4 (pistachi0n, massive,
Davsto
, Concrete Angels)

I think you already chose before we voted you.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #466 (isolation #95) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:55 pm

Like, it's not like you just came out of a game with scum me or anything, and you didn't notice any difference between that game and this game or anything.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #469 (isolation #96) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:15 pm

Hey MS do me a favor

Go into davvy boy's iso

count how many people he gives stances on that arent just throwaway waffles

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #470 (isolation #97) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:16 pm

In post 468, Concrete Angels wrote:Which game is this?

If you're talking to me, it's Flower Viewing Festival by piguyn in New York

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #471 (isolation #98) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:16 pm

In post 470, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:
In post 468, Concrete Angels wrote:Which game is this?

If you're talking to me, it's Flower Viewing Festival by
pieguyn
in New York

~Sakura

Fixed that for me orz

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #476 (isolation #99) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:23 pm

MS, issue at hand

Did you go do your counting excercises yet?

What do you think of the way he is approaching our vote on him?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #478 (isolation #100) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:26 pm

Aw, you think you can intimidate me?

Cute.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #479 (isolation #101) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:28 pm

Yes it's my most recent scumgame (just finished today) if anyone's interested.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #480 (isolation #102) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:30 pm

In post 472, Davsto wrote:Strange as it may seem, I can actually change my mind. However, the fact that you're dodging the question is making you worse and worse in my eyes.

Also, I don't go for meta. People play differently in different games due to different circumstances, and meta can be manipulated.

Ok cool but what do you make of the fact, that in that game a lot of people townread me even outside of the fake guilty on my partner, and the fact that here im getting scumread for silly reasons

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #481 (isolation #103) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:46 pm

My biggest issue with Davvyboy is he has a whopping 2 committed reads. The rest of his ISO is devoted to waffling, talking about us, or "man I just can't get my head in this game darn."

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #488 (isolation #104) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:53 am

Except, we did give reasons

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:29 am

Town-
Vedith
Bulge
Farside
Thor

Maybetown-
Concrete
Cat things
pistachios
liarliarpantsonfire

I think a davvyboy scumflip bumps concrete up to the solid town list.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:30 am

btw guys if you would take a moment to gander at davvyboy in NY189 that just finished, you notice a lot more aggressive dayplay and a lot more committed stances than here!

Food for thought.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #514 (isolation #107) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:10 pm

Unvote
Vote: Ankamius

Hey Amianki, remember what you said about your scum/town meta in your reactions to being wagoned? ^_^
I'm putting that to the test.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #518 (isolation #108) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:43 pm

Davsto is actually a read me and notty disagree on, but i was letting notty have his way so i could get a better read.
notty's stance is that you are the type of player that would coach him in a scum PT, because he doesn't look like he's being coached.
My stance is that he doesn't look like he's being coached is simply because he's not scum.
notty disagrees with occam's razor.

We both agree on Ankamius scum, he for his play today, and me because he's being calm about being wagoned, when usually he turns aggresive when he's town. (inb4 he turns aggresive now)

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:57 pm

You see, the thing with me and people that has me at the border of quitting is that everytime im scumread ppl just see every action i do from there on out with scumpainted glasses and assign a scum motivation to it, technically you can give a scum motivation to everything a player does if you are convinced they are scum, and it will show, it's also the reason i got pissed earlier and decided to just let notty handle the hydra, because i know if i continue posting it'll just make ppl want to lynch me more, just like with that vote. It's reaching the point where people wont even vote the wagons we're on because "oh they are trying to mislynch", i've done this strategy before just because of abusing the fact that ppl scumread me strongly, just to save ppl i think im town, whether that means anything towards our current read on Ankamius, that one you'll have to find out.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #547 (isolation #110) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:03 pm

I am townreading everyone on the ankamius wagon. Albeit the middle 2 are townleans, I am townreading the first two and the fifth vote is about the towniest player in this game.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #587 (isolation #111) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:54 am

Can we pretty please just lynch Ank?

I'll give out sexual favors.

We could also lynch davvyboy, because for all the talk he does about how much he scumreads us he sure isn't trying to campaign our wagon or read other people.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #612 (isolation #112) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:19 am

I have decided to resume squawking because my reads are apparently bad!

In other words, bite me ETL!

squawk

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #614 (isolation #113) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:21 am

Also it pains me

very much

to see people townreading Davvyboy

Especially after 594

"oh I havent been giving reads and am getting called out as scum over it better just throwout a bunch of random shit"

But no ETL's right you shouldn't listen to me at all

We should all just sheep ETL and embrace her playstyle to attack others! It'll be fun!

SQUAWK

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #615 (isolation #114) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:22 am

Where is this dissonance you're getting ank

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #616 (isolation #115) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:26 am

I'm retracting my vedith townread, btw.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #620 (isolation #116) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:35 am

I'm just not sure he deserves being in my highest tier townread atm.

My issue with it is he's played way too close to the chest for no apparent reason all game.

pedit-

You read what I said.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #622 (isolation #117) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:39 am

You were way more sharey and carey with your reads there then you were here, so no. I'm on Ank because Sakura disagrees about you but I don't disagree regarding him.

So no, I haven't stopped scumreading you.

But why, pray tell, is this time convenient for me? What do I hope to gain?

SQUAWK

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #625 (isolation #118) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:44 am

I'm referring to you talking about your reads on other players, even if it's just passerby comments about having way too many scumreads.

Here, up until that list you only gave 2 real committed reads. THAT is the issue I have with it, because the other game you had no issue giving passerby stances. But no, you can pick that apart all you want because that's not what I am saying.

SQUAWK

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #629 (isolation #119) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:53 am

Let's play this game

If we were scum looking for easy targets to jump on, why not jump on bulge, farside, or vedith?

Why you?

SQUAWK

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:42 am

In post 636, Concrete Angels wrote:Also ank, that
was
Sakura you were talking to.

I don't think you're in any position to talk shit when you can't tell us apart ETL.

SQUAWK

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:43 am

Thor I think this more of a matter of ETL being an asshole than alignment indicative, convince me?

SQUAWK

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:44 am

I'll respond to wingading's 556 when I have time to do a quote stripey post

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #654 (isolation #123) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:04 pm

I actually missed those questions (I kinda skimmed that wall sorry)

In post 556, Wingback wrote:Why are you more interested in assauging Cataphant's read on you as "playstyle" rather than digging into their motivation for making that read? No interest in why he found your aggression "weird" or whether he sees any scum motive there or is just making stuff up?

A lot of people tend to scumread my playstyle because it's very aggresive and finds suspicion on almost everything (Although i've tried toning it down over time), I figured that was the case due to their post, and it didnt look like any other way to me.

In post 556, Wingback wrote:Who has Farside tunneled on? In fact, I don't recall a single scumread she had.

Hmm...
Actually you have a point and i don't really remember, i haven't been paying as much attention to this game as i'd like to however.

The other points were for notty's posts so i'll let him reply to those.

Also yes, both me and notty disagree about Davsto and i pointed out my reasons for thinking he's town, but apparently Davsto only cares about notty's scumread on him. I wonder whether that says anything about him, and I hope i just didn't find a Saki clone *shrug*
~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #677 (isolation #124) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:19 pm

In post 675, Wingback wrote:Okay. Can you re-read and explain where you thought Farside was tunneling and what gave you that impression at the time? I don't mind if you changed your stance since or you misinterpreted something. I want to make sure your actual read was genuine.

Sorryyy i confused myself D:
notty was townreading far as he told me and for some reason i thought she was tunneling because i remembered tunnely farside = town farside from notty's reasoning for disliking the slot back in Saki achiga (which turned scum).
~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #678 (isolation #125) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:21 pm

Btw i've been reading the whole LC vs Thor shenanigans and i don't see what they are even arguing about, i'm confused because i'm not seeing what LC's trying to say (as in, i don't see any validity to it).

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #680 (isolation #126) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:25 pm

In post 679, Wingback wrote:
In post 677, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Sorryyy i confused myself D:
notty was townreading far as he told me and for some reason i thought she was tunneling because i remembered tunnely farside = town farside from notty's reasoning for disliking the slot back in Saki achiga (which turned scum).
~Sakura

I'm not following. She was scum in Saki achiga and notty scumread her for tunneling? Or for lack of tunneling?

Lack of tunneling, yes. I'll look the specific post up if you want

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #681 (isolation #127) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:29 pm

Well actually I just went and did that anyways, look at the spoiler on farside.
You're right that she's not tunneling here, im gonna re-ask notty because he's the one who initially townread her, and for some reason i immediately thought she was tunneling (probably because that's one of the things i remember the most about Saki, which was one of the reasons why i voted farside's rep 4 days into the game before the tracker outed the guilty on her rep)

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #692 (isolation #128) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:44 pm

In post 686, Davsto wrote:Also, with the Mystery Reason, hopping onto an easier bandwagon with little reasoning could easily be either scum sneaking on to a town wagon or scum getting a little bus in, just in case.

So basically
Either scum pistacho hoping onto Town us
Or scum pistacho busing Scum us.

Both of those suggest that pistacho is scum, yet only half we are scum.
Why didn't you switch your vote?

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #729 (isolation #129) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:11 am

And here i thought the Sqwaks thing was a reference to the notscience/marquis hydra called Doduo which they also used to be nicknamed scumbirds and used to post sqawks a lot. Well maybe notscience will believe me now that this kind of bad can't be scum in a game where scum has daychat =/

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #735 (isolation #130) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:31 am

In post 2, Antihero wrote:All Private Topics will be open during every phase of the game.

^
Says here

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #736 (isolation #131) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:33 am

Which is one of the reasons notty thought Concrete would be town if you flipped scum, he thought they'd be coaching you if they were scum with you, and hence the fact that you didn't appear to be coached would imply them being town, my stance was that you didn't appear to be coached was simply coz you weren't scum (Occam's razor i know).

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #738 (isolation #132) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:36 am

That's fine, i missed it too, until notty brought it up to me as a reason for asking me questions related to coaching.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #757 (isolation #133) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:26 pm

Hi Nacho!

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #773 (isolation #134) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:46 am

farside: Why are you time warping?

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #778 (isolation #135) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:45 am

Hi nacho

What can I do you for

I know you can actually read me so would you like to chat about whatever it is you are seeing? I was townreading bulge so I think your slot is town but that vote irks me.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #781 (isolation #136) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:52 am

I will once I have time, im restricted to phoneposting for the most part.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #783 (isolation #137) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:10 am

Well I don't even know what i'm supposed to be defending myself from, since notty made those posts and the only thing i know is that we're town and you're misreading us. Your stance bothers me because i know notscience becomes very obvtown and he's been doing so this game, if anything the scumreads im getting is because of my play and not his, so... what?

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #787 (isolation #138) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:21 am

I could make a case on notscience being town if i had to read him, but knowing his alignment beforehand doesn't help.
Also it would be a really bad idea to lynch us, but now that i realize that Davsto claimed JK and he's scumreading us it would be a bad idea if he interfered with our action tonight so im just going to say we're some sort of nerfed gunsmith (nerfed cop? dunno exactly on what kind of category would this role fall).

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #788 (isolation #139) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:24 am

Wait, why are you even asking ME to make a town case on notty when you know im pretty bad at making cases (more so town cases) all the time u.u

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #791 (isolation #140) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:30 am

In response to your post-

In regards to the first part I honestly had very little in the way of actual thoughts.

In regards to the secobd, they had done absolutely nothing but put a weak vote down while there was pressure coming from others who weren't even voting us. I noted the detainees because it felt like they were trying to oversee themselves as useless and as a way to absolve themselves later.

In regards to the third, I disagree.

In regards to the fourth, I admittedly was throwing everything and the kitchen sink in.

In response to the fifth, we wanted a wagon on and early in the game. Sakura told me how he'd react as town and as scum. Hint: he was who we voted early when the first wave of stupidity happened. When he picked up traction here, he exhibited the calmness when Wagoned that sakura told me was typical of scum-him.

And if you look at the game we have been talking about, he felt way nor proactive in going out and scumreading people and ot felt like he was actually trying to solve things there whereas here its just been variants on a scumread of us which felt like he dint actually care about the rest of the playlist, just us.

I liked bulges early posts, he has been pretty accurate reading me when the rest of the playerlist us being stupid. Add on that ank vote which at the time was someone with little to no suspicion on him felt more like something town would do. If he was scum he could have just voted someone already veing voted or someone useless and didn't.

I liked far side and her c atchups seeing some of the same things I have. I liked some of her early posts and its a gain mass of hypocrisy compared to my stance on rc wanting me pl'd in that mini but it felt town to me here. Overall I just felt like there was this annoyance throughout her posts that left me with a town vibe.

I honestly have been trying to remember what I liked about vedith.

My pistachios stance is pretty much a too b atshit to be scum stance. Etl Pointe out meta that could point otherwise so I've been considering it but im having a hard time seeing pistachios for scum

Coming into this game I wanted to try and get under ca's skin. I was anticipating a fil out because e tls been rather nasty to me lately amd the posts in the maf pt of the last antihero game. So I alternated between lurking and jabs at them and then I didnt see that reaction which bothers me. I liked her responses to me because they made sense to me, and im not sure shes that big of an asshole as scum or why shed be trying to discredit us. There's also what I said about a davvyboy scumflip meaning they are town.

I liked wingadings. I liked his response to coming back lurking lurking and I need to reply to his wall but overall I get towns vibes.

Im reading Catalan as useless town which I understand is a stark contrast to my earlier stance but im not really interested in lynching them today.

I honestly don't know why im townreading Thor which is probably a bad thing but

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #792 (isolation #141) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:31 am

Nacho go look back at my first molliepost

First letter of each sentence going backwards

I misspelled it but im bad at life and its close enough

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #793 (isolation #142) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:33 am

In post 790, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 787, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:I could make a case on notscience being town if i had to read him, but knowing his alignment beforehand doesn't help.
Also it would be a really bad idea to lynch us, but now that i realize that Davsto claimed JK and he's scumreading us it would be a bad idea if he interfered with our action tonight so im just going to say we're some sort of nerfed gunsmith (nerfed cop? dunno exactly on what kind of category would this role fall).

~Sakura

Full claim.

If he's obvtown, tell me how he's obvtown.

You have the ability to make cases; claiming you don't is ridiculous.

Dr. Constance Petersen, Psychologist, we can check a player each night and we get a positive if they have the ability to make kills and havent killed anyone yet.

The 2nd is like... what... how am i supposed to explain how someone is obvtown when i DONT have to read the slot on my own? If i had had to read him then maybe.

I don't really understand why you're asking me to make a town case on my own hydra partner =/

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #794 (isolation #143) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:33 am

In post 793, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:
In post 790, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 787, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:I could make a case on notscience being town if i had to read him, but knowing his alignment beforehand doesn't help.
Also it would be a really bad idea to lynch us, but now that i realize that Davsto claimed JK and he's scumreading us it would be a bad idea if he interfered with our action tonight so im just going to say we're some sort of nerfed gunsmith (nerfed cop? dunno exactly on what kind of category would this role fall).

~Sakura

Full claim.

If he's obvtown, tell me how he's obvtown.

You have the ability to make cases; claiming you don't is ridiculous.

Dr. Constance Petersen, Psychologist, we can check a player each night and we get a positive if they have the ability to make kills and havent killed anyone yet.

The 2nd is like... what... how am i supposed to explain how someone is obvtown when i DONT have to read the slot on my own? If i had had to read him then maybe.

I don't really understand why you're asking me to make a town case on my own hydra partner =/

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #795 (isolation #144) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:34 am

Which is why I've been playing defensive.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #796 (isolation #145) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:42 am

Can we stop being bad now and lynch ank

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #798 (isolation #146) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:50 am

In post 797, Davsto wrote:Anyway, I still don't buy it so I'm gonna be blocking you tonight, but lynching you is not the right choice.

Did you even read our claim, our role gets progressively weaker as the game goes on, if you dont believe our role then you should be lynching us not blocking us.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #799 (isolation #147) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:50 am

That is very shitty play.

Just saying.

Its the post where I was talking in all contraction and short words in response to massives nitpicking.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #800 (isolation #148) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:51 am

Oh also i think notty's crumb was 215

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #801 (isolation #149) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:52 am

Real talk he's probably just a scum oleblockerconsidering the scum we know are geared towards our role

Implying town wasn't stupid enough to run up our role to claim

But

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #804 (isolation #150) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:11 am

In post 803, Ankamius wrote:Sakura: Where exactly did this come from? I can think of two answers to this and neither are very solid evidence of anything, much less strong enough to warrant an immediate sort followed by being completely ignored ever since.

If you already know the answers why ask me since it's about [REDACTED]

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #827 (isolation #151) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:30 am

In post 818, Nachomamma8 wrote:The Ank case is "he doesn't get defensive as scum, and isn't defensive now, and thus is scum". This is pattern matching; it's not a great case.

It is meta.
Also yes Ank town would OMGUS the worst push on him.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #829 (isolation #152) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:31 am

Unless Ank is townreading everyone voting him, then... yeah

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #831 (isolation #153) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:32 am

In post 830, Nachomamma8 wrote:You made a claim that not science was obvious town, meaning you could recognize that despite not having to read him.

Because he's always obvtown when he's town

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #834 (isolation #154) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:34 am

You know what, fuck it, come lynch me i don't care anymore, it'll be fun to see your face for mislynching Town Sakura, when you've never done that mistake before

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #842 (isolation #155) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:41 am

>Doesn't suspect me
>Vote is still on me
yeah right

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #850 (isolation #156) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:45 am

You see problem is.
Nacho has never scumread me when im town. Ever.
He just wants to use notscience to justify the mislynch and now is harping on me for being unable to show him why notscience is town when

I know

he's town.

Nacho's scum. Tho i'll talk with notty if he prefers to lynch there instead of Ank.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #860 (isolation #157) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:52 am

In post 855, Thor665 wrote:
In post 850, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Nacho has never scumread me when im town. Ever.

Serious?

I'm very serious
He's able to see always when im town, and always defends me because ppl scumread my style easily.
It's kinda weird that for the first time in my entire life nacho's scumreading me, and is doing it by harping on notty, yet not trying to read me, and forcing me to defend notty.
@CA: Pistachio's fine for me, Thor isn't, i still think he's town right now.

~Sakura

P-Edit:

Ops, sorry i missed that

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #864 (isolation #158) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:54 am

In post 863, Ankamius wrote:
In post 860, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:P-Edit: Ops, sorry i missed that

...how?

I forgot they were voting you

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #868 (isolation #159) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:57 am

In post 866, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 850, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Nacho has never scumread me when im town. Ever.
He just wants to use notscience to justify the mislynch and now is harping on me for being unable to show him why notscience is town when I know he's town.

True. I have never scumread you when you were town.
I have, however, townread you while you're scum, and while I don't have any particular problems with your posting, I wasn't confident in a townread there. I disliked not science's posting for the reasons I gave and
figured tilting at him would give me his alignment pretty reasonably quickly.

This would make sense if you were engaging with him instead of making me defend him, so Sorry not sorry.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #874 (isolation #160) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:59 am

In post 871, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 868, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:This would make sense if you were engaging with him instead of making me defend him, so Sorry not sorry.

I was engaging with him.
I was curious if you had reasons he was obvtown that I wasn't seeing, as I explained in my posts.

No i was just going by the fact that I know he's town and so his posting would/should have shown he's obvtown, but, you apparently suddenly happened to forget anything about my relations with notty for this game only.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:01 am

Also im going to
UNVOTE:
Because i no longer think Ank is scum after he showed me something I missed, i'll move my vote shortly depending on who we're compromising on, or towards nacho, pending further interaction with notty

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:04 am

As I said, i don't have qualms on pistacho, i dont have any strong read there but i dont remember notty's pistacho read, we are both currently scumreading nacho however, while i dont trust myself with a nacho read, i trust notty's more. I need a nap, so i'll let notty decide who we vote and continue for the time being.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:18 am

In post 886, Thor665 wrote:Has he ever scumread you when he was scum?

I've played with Nacho scum twice.
The first time he was in hydra with you where he buddied the heck outta me.
The second time he kept faking paranoia on my slot because i snowed him as scum once.
Which one do you think he's going for here?
(Also yes i was going to take a nap, but haven't been able to with things happening irl)

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:34 am

In post 889, Thor665 wrote:I'm not following the logic of a scumread on you equating to a scum Nacho though. Carry me over that gap?

The part where Nacho brought up that he's always townread me when im scum and so he's trying to read notscience.
Dark Age of the Law, he used the fact that i snowed him as scum in a game to keep me in the null all game.
Here he's also using the fact that i've snowed him to show paranoia on my slot, when in recent games he's never had paranoia on my slot when he's town (Point: I haven't rolled scum against nacho in a while, so if he had this sort of paranoia, he would have shown it in games where we were both town like Saki or corpse party, heck he didnt even try to read wisdom and tried to read ME on corpse party where I hydra'd with Wisdom).

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:35 am

So yes im going here since notty apparently is going to be away for a while
VOTE: Nacho
Will move to pistacho if consensus is necessary.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:34 pm

In post 894, Thor665 wrote:Why wouldn't he try to read notscience if he was town though?

He is NOT trying to read notscience, he's using notscience as an excuse to push my slot (or was, until i claimed).
notty also warned me that he was looking for someone else to throw into the fire after he couldn't push us anymore and that whoever he chose would be Town (In this case Cataphant), he didn't want me to vote him until he had done that.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:36 pm

Oh also, happy scumday Thor!

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:44 pm

nacho's stance on me on Dark Age of the Law, made sense after coming out from a newbie game where I snowed him, but he was scum.
Another Stance from the same game.
He was scum in that game.

nacho's stance on my hydra on Corse Party after a few pages, You could even ctrl+F Sakura on their ISO they never had an issue with me.
nacho's stance on me on Saki Achiga.
No paranoia whatsoever on both games and i haven't rolled scum against Nacho since either of those.
The paranoia is unwarranted, yet he also faked paranoia on me on Dark age of the law.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:45 pm

In post 899, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:No paranoia whatsoever on both games and i haven't rolled scum against Nacho since either of those.

Addenum: we were both town on both of those last games

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #907 (isolation #170) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:27 pm

Who in this playerlist would you anticipate me being paranoid of Nacho?

And it's not the same with pie regarding ETL- I think she would be funneling it into the scum PT rather than in-thread.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #928 (isolation #171) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:20 am

In post 925, massive wrote:Hecatia: Who were the other characters you listed in your U-Pick email?

I have no clue about flavor, notty picked the characters so i'll let him answer this one (Just posting this so you know im not ignoring the question)

In post 927, Concrete Angels wrote:the ninjas thing is new information though. and i don't know how i feel about it.

>points out towards our role
>suddenly everything makes sense.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #938 (isolation #172) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:23 am

In post 933, Davsto wrote:say you inspect someone on the same night they kill. Would you be told that they haven't killed anyone yet?

Our role PM explicitly states that the kill resolves before our inspect, so if they aren't roleblocked the kill will resolve and we will get a negative.

In post 931, Concrete Angels wrote:Ninjas are not seen by watchers/trackers/followers when making the kill. Hecatia's role identifies players with the ability to kill people and indicates whether they have or not. It has nothing to do with tracking the killer the night they kill, which means the Ninja is still susceptible to being caught for making a kill.

No, our role gets positive ONLY if the target has the ability to kill AND hasn't killed before, Negative in all other instances, while we can get guilties none of our innos can be trusted. Ninja kinda makes scum want to use the same member for the kill every night.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #945 (isolation #173) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:30 am

Oh, in case i made a mistake in unvoting Ank and he's actually scum, if he flips scum and we're dead i wanted to let you all know that Ankamius scum play involves misleading town trying to find his partners via interactions after flipping, take that in mind.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #994 (isolation #174) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:06 pm

I'm not in a good mood right now, and idk when i'll feel better, but for the time being im letting notty take full control of the hydra, i may pop in and comment on stuff if i dont feel like exploding

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:12 am

I get a too bad to be scum read off of pistachio's vote on us tbh.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:29 pm

Dropping in to plop this here because deadline and because i haven't talked with notty about this game ever since i've been in a bad mood
VOTE: LC
~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:57 am

I am townreading a fair amount of the wagon so I have no issue with it.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:00 am

notty and me inspected massive last night, we got a negative, which means massive is town unless he made the kill last night (A roleblock on that same night pretty much would make massive conftown)

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:08 am

That's good enough info for me, i was thinking of coordinating our targets so that we had a high chance of targeting the same person which would clear them on N1 if negative as they'd have no way to make a NK if they were able to, but i wasnt around most of yesterday close to deadline.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:13 am

In post 1161, Davsto wrote:Don't worry about it, that almost certainly would have resulted in your death to avoid you giving any result.

At least it would have resulted in the death of a PR that will have useless results within a couple days

which would have been fiiiiine for me, but oh well, im still alive so i'll do what i can

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:14 am

Anyway i need to talk with notty and see where we go from here, i don't mind voting pistacho but i think notty was townreading him last time i talked with him

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:20 am

I guess, i've been feeling pretty demotivated about this role ever since we outed.

@Anti: The thread still shows night.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:30 am

Yeah i guess scum now has to run the risk of either hitting a tracker/watcher guilty or hitting mine.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:13 pm

In post 1174, farside22 wrote:
In post 1173, Cataphant wrote:logical reasoning from sakura?

From what I understood it's not confirmed town.
We know he was targetted.
But Sakura said if he shot night 1 he maybe still guilty.

Maybe I misunderstood the role??

I'm also looking at Nacho as scum

You didn't misunderstand anything, that's exactly what it means, which is why i said, we can get guilties but not innos (dunno if i actually said that yesterday, but that is my impression of the role).

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:33 pm

Hi guys.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:36 pm

VOTE: Nacho

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:16 pm

People who are townreading Nacho: why?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:21 pm

I literally have no idea what to do, i've been kinda disinterested lately and have been skimming most posts this game.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:01 pm

In spaceeee

Tho i seriously havent read anything about Day 2, i keep trying and my eyes just keep glossing over and i just end up going back to my bookmarks, Literally the only thing i remember about this game is that Davsto is a JK, and that whoever we lynched Day 1 flipped town.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:15 pm

Dunno, with all the shit i took Day 1 when i was actually putting effort, why should i even bother, my role being outed is borderline useless and i've been bored ever since then.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:01 pm

Seems like notty's not posting either? =/ Guess i'll have to try and do SOMETHING then

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:02 pm

Davsto are you up for jailing nacho again? that way i can scan him and as long as you're not lying about your role that should either clear him or condemn him (or get us killed XD)

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:14 pm

In post 1466, Cataphant wrote:@Hecatia/Massive, please vote pistachio. I know you two are town, and you should know the same of me tbh. Trust in me if you can't trust in anyone else. I *believe* you should know you can do that.

Ew.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:57 am

UNVOTE:
I assume ETL has jailkeeper as some sort of rolestopper/roleblocker hybrid, either way no, the only action it blocks is kills on them while simultanously roleblocking them. Since this will get a hard guilty/inno on Nacho im unvoting and gonna talk with notty about where to go from here.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:08 am

VOTE: Pistacho
Cataphant looks town to me...
It seems like notty has abandoned me or smth...

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:10 am

In post 1508, Nachomamma8 wrote:Lurking is not the main issue: the main issue is that he has very confident reads he can't explain and the reasons he do provide are garbage. If town, I can't see where he's coming from. I haven't experienced that problem in a game with him before.

Really now.

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:33 am

I'm pretty sure in disney hiplop played this way too, which is one of the reasons that allowed us to even keep him as a mislynch option if we hadn't given up, Nacho was there and should know this!

~Sakura

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:37 am

In post 1525, Sakura Hana wrote:Wait what?

Ops, sorry that was me, but yeah, it was a hammer? i didnt count the votes orz