Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[Ranger]

VOTE: BRantz.

Mark: wgeurts.

(I wonder if Varsoon will accept that? If so, wgeurts will confirm when it's been done. If not, then I suppose I need to go through the effort of PMing it.)

[Ranger]

Really feeling icky about LQ...

I share the sentiment, but I feel comfy voting BRantz for now. I'll switch if I feel like it later.

[Ranger]

Actually, in hindsight: I'm seriously scumreading BRantz, but my LicketyQuickety scumread is much stronger, so I will switch.
VOTE: LicketyQuickety.
I also have my eye on a couple other players, but it's so minor that I don't consider it worth pursuing.

What's this marking thing?

My little secret. ;)

I have a question. What are you doing?

My brand of content. This is how I enter games for fun.

[Ranger]

How

I didn't like BRantz's entrance into the game. It felt forced.

I never claimed the scumread was rock solid, you know. :P

[Ranger]

I don't like you Scumreading me so early. You got a reason?

The majority of your posts have had this unnatural vibe about them. If I felt like explaining in detail greater than that right now, I would have done so already, but generally you'll find I'm a fairly lazy early-game player.

[Ranger]

@Ranger, your move to LQ feels slimy to me

Deal with it. I'd be there no matter how many votes were on LicketyQuickety because he's my strongest scumread. That others beat me to the punch is unfortunate, but irrelevant to my rationale behind voting there.

[Ranger]

Wgeurts was the 3rd person to ask about the mark.

OR, wgeurts logged in, found a message in his inbox from Varsoon, read it, and it said he was marked, with him coming straight to the thread to ask why, without knowing I had claimed responsibility.

I don't think a town player would be this dense.

[Ranger]

How are you inferring that Wgeurts is not reading the thread?

Because it's obvious he's not, and more importantly,

he was my target

.

[Ranger]

That's great. You "marked" someone you know is Town?

Nope!
I marked someone. Saying my opinion on them may give a hint of what my role does, and I have no intention of sharing whether marking is a good, bad, or just neutral thing.

Yeah, and its bizarre that they are Scum reading me for commenting on it.

It's not the act of commenting on it.

It's what comments you made about it.

[Ranger]

I saw your join date was in Oct so I didn't know if you were just completely clueless newb or if you were doing it for reactions or anything.

Yeah, I've been playing mafia for five years, and on my home site alone I probably have at least 45 or so games. Not a newb.

What exactly is wrong with my question?

Depends on which one. :P

While it wasn't the first thing of yours I took issue with, 142 is how this whole debate began, and it is based on me not believing that you don't understand how things worked: I stated I marked wgeurts, and that

he would be able to confirm

if the marking worked.
The mod confirmed that in-thread marking works. My target is informed that they are marked.
wgeurts came in, and the first thing he did was ask why he was marked, without doing anything else.
The implication there is that my action was successful. Not that wgeurts was reading along and suddenly chose to speak out.
That you held the latter belief is what I take issue with: I don't think you would be that dense.

[Ranger]

Seriously Titus, I'm not understanding what Elb has on BM.

I see it.

[Ranger]

Non-game-related, but:

This place has it's pros and cons, but is hell compared to the heaven your kind could reach on the dream plane.

I actually know someone who deals with something which sounds similar to what you have. Being, access to another plane. For them, it's through the occult, but they say pretty similar stuff: they're basically a god, and have met other entities that we'd call gods. The two might be related, not something I've investigated, but something I actually fully believe in. (And now everyone will call me a crazy lady.) It's really cool to hear about.

Game-related:

So why is LQ being wagoned

In simplest terms, because he is your scumbuddy.

[Ranger]

Let's take a chill pill and let Elbrin LQ BM and RR hang themselves by trying to lurk it out.

Elbirn's actually town I'm pretty sure.
RR I need more info to go on, but my guess for a third would be BRantz rather than them.

Elbirn, I can see as Scum here. BM IDK. RR is pretty Null to me.

I can point out all the interactions LQ has with BM and BM has with LQ, but this is among the ones demonstrating why they're a scumteam. As a bonus, they're both scum by individual play, LQ to a much stronger degree.

[Ranger]

Tangent: can see RR as scum for 353.

[Ranger]

I like you. Are you an alt?

No, but I'm not a newb. I've been playing mafia for five years on my home site. (Sorry, no links. There's information I consider personal on there that I don't trust you all with yet.)

Why?

"can" in this case means "it's possible, worth observing". It's not really a read as much as a possibility. Because of that, I'd rather not go into detail--if I explain, then any further information on RR is tainted.

[Ranger]

pistachi seems scummy to me.

I got the opposite impression: pistachi0n seems to be the only town player on your wagon.

Between that (LQ), and the Titus wagon, we probably have the entire scumteam.

{FireKari, Elbirn, Jeanne, Titus, Suzune} are

very

strongly town.
{Klingoncelt, pistachi0n} are weaker town.
BRantz stands at null.
{LicketyQuickety, Blackest Magic, wgeurts, Reasonably Rational} are all scumreads.

[Ranger]

basically led us to believe she force ended the day without giving us preparation time, ie probably no lynch

For the record: I'm nearly positive BM is scum for things like this.

The question of the third is mainly whether wgeurts or RR fit as the scumbuddy better.

I very much hate the argument between Titus and Jeanne, because both seem town to me.

[Ranger]

Why is Jeanne town?

I've seen absolutely nothing to make me think Jeanne is scum, and the whole interaction with you has looked insanely town to me, Titus. I don't even get why you're not townreading Jeanne.

[Ranger]

I trust no one without undeniable proof. So far, only one player gave me solid proof.

This is the first mention of trust in her iso.
That player was you, no?

So yes.
It does.

[Ranger]

What player with undeniable proof of my towniness votes me for suspecting them?

A player who reconsiders their stance on what undeniable proof is.

[Ranger]

Titus, Jeanne:

Do you both have your scumread of LicketyQuickety stand?

If so, you can table going at each others' throats and lynch him first.

[Ranger]

Either proof is deniable or it's not...

I learned long ago that such black and white thinking never ends well, especially when it comes to projecting it onto others.

If I said 'undeniable proof', it would not actually be 100% beyond-all-reasonable-doubt undeniable proof. I can see myself easily second-guessing my assumption that it was undeniable proof. If I can doubt it, so can someone else.

[Ranger]

His reads list was a literal copy of titus'.

*Her.

And actually, free info.
Marking's bad for the marked.
So I had you pegged as anti-town from the beginning. (I wouldn't have marked you otherwise.) LicketyQuickety has been a scumread of mine ever since I read his posting. BRantz was my first vote. In 126, I said I had my eye on a couple of other players. You were one, Blackest Magic was the other. I'll admit the RR suspicion didn't come until 446, but that was the final point of my reads. In short? You were scum since my first post, BRantz was a suspect since my first post, LQ was a scumread in my second post who I have voted since my third, Blackest Magic in that same post, and RR in 446. My reads haven't changed much since then, aside from BRantz moving to be less likely and you to be more.

When it comes to the townreads, you'd have to be blind not to see FireKari and Elbirn at the very minimum as town, with me also seeing Titus, Jeanne, and Suzune as town. And my weaker townreads? More based off of not seeing anything scum rather than strongly seeing something town.

Similarity to any other player's reads is therefore purely coincidental, or if anything, an effort on

their

part to copy

me

.

[Ranger]

So let's start with Ranger,

he

This was very obviously pre-typed in a PT, at some prior point to my 817.
Now what kind of player would have access to a PT, hmm?

His next post 125 and 126 he votes LQ without any reason what so ever, it feels a little opportunistic as LQ was under quite a bit of pressure around then.

I don't do opportunism, as explained in 138. LicketyQuickety was my vote for one simple reason: most of his posting was utterly devoid of a town process. (Note that when I voted LQ, I was not caught up in the thread. I post as I catch up.) I'd be lying if I said LQ's posting was all scum; there was

one

brief section of the game where LQ put up a good show, but given that his content before

and

after that time period was and is still bad, it was exactly that: nothing but a show.

His scum read on Brantz is also complete crumpets as that slot hasn't actually really produced any content worth pushing yet.

This is subjective and you should know it. RVS content never is irrelevant. On my home site, we continue to scrutinize D1 (which is usually almost all RVS aside from some maybe-serious pushes near the very end) throughout the entirety of the game. I did not like BRantz's entry.

All the way up to post 748 where he suddenly creates a reads-list identical to titus' containing no reasoning for the reads at all.

Titus's reads were a copy of mine, not vice-versa. This is easily shown by linking posts like 213 (where I say I was not marking someone I thought was town), 441 (me stating my suspicion on BM), 443 (where my scumread is explicit on BM), 444 (where I say Elbirn is town, RR is null but possible, and BRantz is my third suspicion next to BM and LQ), 446 (where I say RR is possibly scum), and 448 (where I explain in more detail the possibility of RR being scum).

This all shows very, very clearly where my reads were coming from in my reads list. To say I copied it from another is ridiculous. They're my reads. What kind of horrible player do you think I am, to need to copy the reads of another player? I repeat: not a newb. Titus sharing the reads is either coincidence or effort on her part to copy mine. This is especially true given that I post as I read rather than catching up all at once and making a giant wall.

His 768 is also horrifically scummy, it looks likes he's setting himself up to vote whoever the town ends up deciding to lynch.

What.
Me trying to

lead the town and spearhead a LQ lynch

. Is somehow me trying to set myself up to vote whoever the town ends up deciding to lynch?
I want LQ lynched. Titus and Jeanne were both off the wagon, tunneling each other. I wanted them both on the wagon, so I asked. In what twisted realm can you possibly interpret that as trying to lynch anyone rather than me trying to lynch one specific person?

I also call complete bollux that he was scum reading me early game and thus marked me, he stated all other scum reads but happened to leave me unmenioned?

Because my mark did the speaking for me about my read on you. The mark is a negative thing for the marked. Therefore, by implication, me marking you would reveal my scumread on you the minute I flipped. (Because I would never mark a player I thought was town.)

Could you explain in your own words how everyone you listed as scum is actually scum in your eyes?

When I feel like it, yes. But for you and RR, the current strength of my read comes from how you both voted during the anonymous voting session, along with your reactions immediately after that. There was things before that made me have my eye on you two (your RVS posting being just as bad as Brantz's, some of RR's posting), but it was that which really (re)created the scumreads.

What do you think or Brantz now? He's not changed anything since you last scum read him but he's suddenly null.

There can't be five scum in the game. Heck, there can't even be four, but I'm still suspicious of both you and RR in spite of there being room for only one of you in the scumteam. (Because BM and LQ both occupy strong spots that will not be changing.) You said it yourself: BRantz hasn't done much of anything in the game and has little to be read off of. While I had an initial scumread there, it is based off of things you yourself explicitly said were weak-at-best, and you're absolutely right. So, as a result, BRantz moved up to null when thanks to the stuff I talk about responding to quote above this one, you and RR moved down.

What does the mark do!?

My secret. To find out, you'll either have to rolecop me or kill me.

All-in-all, this post has almost-entirely backwards reads.

[Ranger]

So because we happened to share a read I was following him?

You absolute, utter hypocrite.

All the way up to post 748 where he suddenly creates a reads-list identical to titus' containing no reasoning for the reads at all.

*cough*

[Ranger]

I'm not bloody copying LQ, my gawd

And yet, you accuse me of following Titus.
How's it feel to be on the receiving end of that accusation, hmm?

Ranger claims to have had a "scum read" on wgeurts when marking wgeurts, but at the time of the mark, wgeurts had two posts: and RVS vote and an RVS chatter post a few posts later. There was no objective reason to mark wgeurts or any way to even read wgeurts at that time.

Have you considered that I hold the power to decide whether the mark does something or not? It's bad for the marked, but it's not automatically triggered by the process of me marking them. I have to activate it. If my read changed (it actually moved up to null later, until how wgeurts anonymously voted and reacted knocked him back to being a scumread again), then no harm done.

But yes. I did scumread wgeurts for much the same reason I scumread BRantz: I did not like how they handled the RVS.
Maybe this is culture clash. But where I come from, RVS posts are always important.

So if town, Ranger is objectively bad for making a hasty decision based upon nothing to actually read

You say nothing, I say something. RVS posting is never irrelevant posting. It's how Elbirn became obvtown, after all, and to some extent Titus and Jeanne too among others.

[Ranger]

*cough* Ranger 936 *cough*

As Jeanne said, answered indirectly, but yes, I do.

In other news, I

may

be in the mood to take things more seriously soonish. That'd mainly mean more explicit explanations, but don't hold me to a date/time. Depending on my mood means exactly that, depending on my mood. It'd require a combination of boredom, desire, and willpower. (I have trouble with focus--I'd rather not go into the details as to why, but it's a problem I have. I prefer not to admit to it in games so it won't become a crutch, but it exists.)

[Ranger]

Ranger: The value of analysis of RVS on D1, with no further information, comes from meta knowledge.

Only for an amateur.

More experienced players can read deeper into the meaning behind posts and pick up on things.

In addition, why wouldn't you wait until further information came from the thread to make your move and mark him?

As stated, marking is bad for the marked, but only if I trigger it. I can always choose not to trigger it. wgeurts was a scumread, and my action is a day-action, so I needed to submit someone, and I figured he was a good choice: someone who was weakly a scumread, but not likely to be lynched.

Furthermore, by marking earlier, discussion about the mark could be had without it distracting from pre-existing things. Marking a player in the middle of the day may have dissolved the LQ wagon, for instance.

[Ranger]

Also, stop with the conf bias and insulting.

There is no confbias. My read on players like wgeurts and yourself is fully open to change, and in fact your recent posting has improved my opinion of you significantly.

Also, sorry about the amateur comment. Believe it or not, that was actually me being self-depreciating and taking a jab at myself. (You wouldn't have reason to know that, though.) Five years ago, when I was a newb, I couldn't scumhunt in the RVS properly, so I tried using meta. It went hilariously badly, but in hindsight makes a good joke.

I actually hold a very strict anti-meta policy now, for a variety of reasons. Mainly, I play on a site where people have so much going on in their lives that they almost never play two games the same way, and when you combine that with me not necessarily knowing them all that well (I haven't played every single one of the games in those five years, taking breaks as life dictated) and with the games also being fairly lighthearted (meaning friendly trolling's common), I simply lack the knowledge to make meta be an effective tool.

But I

am

generally fairly sharp and get good reads when I start to play seriously. I'm the type of player who thrives when reactions happen, players start fighting, and I gather random samples here and there from everything and compile it together into something coherent. Rather than focusing all on one player, or focusing on the general picture, I focus on one or two specific things from players that catch my attention because of one or two specific reasons. (For instance, one or two random votecounts.) I think we're near that point; I just need the right combination of moods to put it into action.

[Ranger]

I call absolute crumpets that you had formed a read on us from the following posts:

Well that's your choice, but it won't be very productive for this part of the conversation to continue. You say I can't; I'm telling you I did. My stance won't chance since that's what actually happened, your stance has no reason to change, so the argument won't produce anything.

You said in that post that "they weren't worth pursuing" however you now claim to have had such a strong read on me that I was even worth marking with some "bad thing".

Those statements do not contradict one another. My read on you was strong enough that I marked you. However, you were not worth actively pursuing, particularly since my mark would do the talking for me once what it does became known. Neither was BM, not until later.

Also it's easy to claim "BM" was one of those now

I said "a couple". Name who else I could possibly have been talking about if not you and Blackest Magic.

You say I was scum in your first post but not worth pursuing (meaning it's hella weak) but still worth marking because I'm so obviously scum?

No, that's what you're saying. I said you were scum, but not worth pursuing. So yes, "hella weak". You were worth marking, because while marking is bad for the marked...again.

I can choose not to trigger the mark

. So if my read changed on you, no harm done. As the person who actually knows what marking does, I hold the knowledge of what was and was not appropriate usage of it. And in my mind, marking you was an incredibly good thing, allowing me to easily state a suspicion at any time I chose, yet also leave me open to not using the mark if I decided you were town.

The wgeurts scum read is also bullshit as you said it's not worth pursuing and you even said somewhere I was null.

I'm going to lay this out in as simplest terms as I can.
I had a scumread on you.
It was not strong, but I thought you were scum.
Because I know what marking does, I marked you. It is a bad thing to be marked, but I can choose not to trigger it, so I knew that if my read changed, there would be no harm done.
Because I had stronger suspicions (BRantz, LQ, and later Blackest Magic, with BM initially at the same level as you before getting stronger), and because if I were to flip town my mark would reveal that me marking you indicated suspicion, you were not worth pushing, so I didn't.
You moved up to null with your posting later, and the mark would not be triggered.
You have moved down since the anonymous voting fiasco, back to being a scumread again.

There is no contradiction.

Explain why they are town and I'm blind tyvm.

At this point I feel absolutely no need to. Aside from Jeanne and maybe Titus, they are in no danger of being lynched.

That's called a null read friend.

Not when you have five scum suspects in a game that has room for only three.

[Ranger]

Where the hell are you drawing this conclusion from?

Aside from the fact that you started with, "so let's start with", the fact you referred to me as a he consistently throughout that post indicated you had typed it prior to me correcting you about my gender.

Well, could you go grab a few of his posts were he was "devoid of town play" and explain how it's so?

Sure, when I'm not posting purely out of insomnia. (It's late in my timezone.)

Also saying what that "one" town thing was would help.

It'd take me too long to track down the exact posts, but his, "I'm starting to get going, guys!" posting is what I'm talking about. That showed a potential indicator of a town thought process where he'd be apathetic town that suddenly got motivated, only, it didn't actually happen.

And could you give us examples from your home site where it was actually correct?

Literally every game? (Well, except about a third or so of the mafia wins. So, about 5/6 games it's correct.)
We do it

for good reason

.

Destroyed in my last post.

You and I have very different definitions of the word 'destroyed'.

is rather scummy yes. Especially since you'd been parked on him all game.

For someone who is claiming I'm tunneling.
You're doing a whole lot of narrative manipulation on me that looks like tunneling.
Your original accusation was that I wasn't pushing anyone, AND that I was looking to be on any wagon.
You 'backed' this up in a post where

I was heavily pushing my scumread, LQ

.

[Ranger]

LQ, everyone is a PR this game.

For obvious reasons, nobody should respond to this until a massclaim.
But if massclaim comes to pass and this is shown to be accurate...what does that tell you about LQ?

...Exactly. Scum who doesn't know everyone has a role.

I must also note I absolutely

hate

the tag-team wgeurts has with LQ against Jeanne. It pressured Jeanne into revealing info she really didn't need to reveal.

[Ranger]

You do realise LQ could be town?
That so could I?
That you 4 aren't conf-town?

All true.

At least two of the three are incredibly likely to be true, though. I seriously like a {Titus, Jeanne, Elbirn, Suzune} townbloc. I personally added in FireKari because I hold a

hard

townread on them. I hate the attempts to break the townbloc up, and I think they are driven by scum's fear that they can't break it.

I'm convinced LQ is scum. I do owe explanation for this, but none of his posting is good. He lacks actual scumhunting; he's just throwing random accusations out there that he doesn't even believe in.

The only one I really see any reason to doubt is my read on you. You could just be bad town not realizing how horrendously wrong you are, I will admit that, but you're not off my radar.

[Ranger]

Titus - Don't like the gambit, just looks like an attempt to earn some townreads.

For the record: Titus's brilliant usage of both neighborhood and messenger role with a coded message attached to it is

exactly

the type of play common from town players on the site I come from. (There's a reason I was filled with great ire when I realized I had replaced into a Messenger role that had already been outed in my recently-completed micro.) There was literally no more town way to have used that ability.

Titus - Early on, didn't like her accusing LQ of rolefishing, or saying that my RVS was the worst she's ever seen.
Ranger - Really didn't like his post saying i'm confirmed scum. Especially on D1. People who do that to me are usually scum. Would love to wagon this.

Explicitly-OMGUS reads.

Brantz - He will remain in my lynch pool unless he does something townie.

This is

incredibly

likely to be a scum distancing tactic. BRantz is rapidly moving back into my lynch list. (Both because of this and thinking wgeurts may just really be that bad.)

[Ranger]

FireKari:

Whatever happened to this?

VOTE: LQ
We think LQ is likely scum, but also think LQ is the best lynch target even if he were to flip town. LQ flip will help us read others, more than any other flip.

Would you be willing to vote LicketyQuickety again?

[Ranger]

@RR, Quoting Klingon's ISO and saying it's meaningful doesn't explain anything.

It shows that Klingon is probably town, though.

Still think Lickety is the lynch for the day.

So please vote them?

Firekari: Under what circumstances would you be unable to conftown D2?

I canNOT believe that a town player would ask this question.

If a player claims they can confirm themselves as town, the appropriate course of action is to have them name a day, and once they do,

immediately drop the subject

.
There's a difference between holding them accountable and giving the scum unnecessary information.

Marking someone after two posts, with something she admits is at best bad, isn't pro-town play.

I never said it was bad. I said my suspicion was weak. But given the way my mark works, there was absolutely nothing bad about marking a weak scumread.

I actually don't believe there's a single person so far today who has given me cause to think they're town.

And I don't believe you hold such a backwards view of the game. There are ten town in a game and only three mafia. If you're throwing dirt at everyone and townreading almost nobody, you are quite literally entirely backwards of what you

should

be.

[Ranger]

What made you think wguerts was scum that early in the game?

I didn't like his RVS posting.

Why didn't you vote them for that?

Because I was using my mark as a second vote. The act of marking wgeurts served as a statement of suspicion. So does a vote. Marking wgeurts while also voting him would have been a waste of resources.

Like this post.

Hated that post. I saw no original content in it, simply restating and rehashing questions people had already gone over.

[Ranger]

Ranger, for developing a scum read strong enough to mark a player after two meaningless posts were made by that player.

And I refuse to believe you hold this opinion when I've made it clear that where I come from, RVS content is important.

Ranger, is your marking only useful at the beginning of the day?

Sort-of? The later into the day I use the mark, the less utility there is behind me having marked a player.

[Ranger]

Lol it's not a town bloc, a town bloc for one is widely town read and don't scum read each other.

And most of the members of the townbloc do townread each other. Titus and Jeanne had a spat where they didn't, but (1) it seems to have reversed and (2) I've been trying to strengthen their townreads on one another anyway.

You know what fuck it.
Kill: ranger

Helpful hint for gambits: don't pull it on someone who knows how day roles work. Thanks to my own role, I know you're bluffing.

Nice try, though.

[Ranger]

Neither of us care one bit about your ego stroking "I'm amazing and can have perfect reads 100% of the time based upon posts which are by definition random, and I told you that I come from a site where RVS content miraculously wins the game for town 100% of the time" bullshit.

Never once have I said my reads were perfect. I have five scumreads; there can be only three scum in the game. Even if the scum are entirely within the five names, by definition that means I'm wrong on two. Never once have I claimed I was amazing. (I might be

regarded

as one of the better analysts on my home site, but I've never thought of myself that way. I'm just an average player.) I also quite explicitly said that RVS content does not win the game for us. I said in 5/6 games, it's important. Of those games, though, half are mafia wins. (Give or take.) It's no miracle winning strategy.

However, I refuse to let you call the RVS content irrelevant when my style of play is largely based around it. While it may not instantly win the game, it

is

important. It's what I focus on the most, because it's what I've found easiest to find scum in. The way my mind works, I

thrive

on random. Meaning, I pick up on random things...which the RVS is filled with. Does it work all the time, no. But does it work as a valid tactic? Yes.

sorry but your reads are so bad it's actually funny. I literally am laughing at how bad your reads and play is so far today.

We'll see who's laughing at who by the end of the game.

{Elbirn, Suzune, Jeanne, FireKari, Titus}
{pistachi0n, Klingoncelt}
{Reasonably Rational, wgeurts}
{BRantz}
{LicketyQuickety, Blackest Magic}.
This is where I stand right now.

[Ranger]

I'm going to assume you're used to playing with idiots who create clear associatives and intent during what is, essentially, the least meaningful part of the game.

You would be very wrong, then.

It's not easy to vomit out a reads list that is consistent with prior play and which accounts for changes in your opinion which may have occurred.

Yeah, which is why I don't bother most of the time. My reads have been changing in a very, very easy to track manner. My thoughts have been transparent. I might not always share the thoughts (me not saying who my scumreads were that I didn't want to push early-on, me not wanting to say what marking does), but what thoughts I

do

share could not be more clear.

[Ranger]

Maybe if enough people do this she will be forced to notice even town dislike her logic.

I'll be honest that I'm not really reading much of Jeanne's posting, but that's mostly because I've concluded already that her read no matter how annoying you may think she is happens to be correct, and the way she is pushing is something I cannot fathom a scum player doing. It has town written all over it.

[Ranger]

lol at that last past you claim that your reads have been static all game

I did no such thing.

Specific reads of mine have remained consistently strong. My townbloc of {Jeanne, Elbirn, Suzune, FireKari, Titus} has never wavered. All my other reads have changed: I went from not having reads on pistachi0n and Klingoncelt to having increasingly-strong townreads on them. You and Reasonably Rational have had the strength of my read change throughout the entire game. BRantz has shifted from scum to null and is currently back in scum. BlackestMagic was originally only weakly scum, and now is solidly scum. And LicketyQuickety briefly made me doubt the read, but when that was proven to be just a show, the read strengthened again.

Not static. Just subtle.

Ranger while articulate doesn't seem to be convincing anyone of anything right now. RR seems the most reasonable by far.

If you can't see the "convenience" behind this stance, I don't know what to tell you.

Jeanne is Jeanne and not much will change from them, but I think they are town for reasons Rager has said. It doesn't make sense that Jeanne would be so strong against me as Scum. Wgeurts is weird. I don't know why they are defending me so strongly. IDK could just be because of going against popular opinion, not sure. As far as I'm concerned, Titus has done nothing actually helpful this game by using their ability that, lets face it, lead to a wild goose chase and lots and lots of Wifom. I have no idea why Town!Titus would do something with such little thought put behind it. Brants made an entrance and didn't really do anything. Kling has more of barely anything

These stances all seem to be following popular opinion as well.

Notably, Blackest Magic is absent. Additionally, at L-1, he does not claim.

[Ranger]

Also of note: the LicketyQuickety wagon has held a fairly steady growth throughout the day, and has not been hammered yet.

That tells you either there are a lot of scum already on the wagon (doubtful) or LQ is scum (probable).

[Ranger]

@Ranger, what other sites do you play on?

Under various names I've dabbled in mafia elsewhere, but I've forgotten them for the most part. There's only one place I really play mafia at, and my name there also has 'ranger' in it. However, while I'd love to link to the site and show you the mafia bit, the site is easily searchable and I have plenty of information that I've shared on there that I'm not comfortable sharing on here. So it's private info. If I really trust a person, I'd consider PMing the info, but otherwise, it stays as my secret.

(Unless you go all stalker on me. :P)

[Ranger]

VOTE: RR

Don't lose track of the target!

OK, so stuff happened and I'm at L-1. Want me to claim now?

This claim-stalling is showing LQ's scum motivation. He is skirting by on RR and wgeurts defending him, without actually doing anything. He's hoping that by doing nothing, people will just forget about him and get distracted like Titus did above.

Why are you giving a fluff answer and not speaking to the main point that I raised?

See above.

[Ranger]

So...a bulletproof double-voter.

This is me, not unvoting.

[Ranger]

@Ranger My role is weird as well.

That was me saying I believed the claim, but thought he was still scum anyway.

VOTE: Blackest Magic.

Mark: BRantz

.

[Ranger]

Where are you at with regards to the interactions that occurred yesterday?

Hint: read LQ's interactions about Blackest Magic, limited as they may be.

Read also Blackest Magic's interactions with LQ, limited as they may be.

Then go vote Blackest Magic when you realize that's strongly scum-scum. BRantz is just a mark because I find him my currently-most-likely-third but a read that could change.

i still feel like ranger is scum.

I was the only player, and I do mean the ONLY player, to never unvote LQ. While my will wavered

once

, my vote never left.

Tell me that's a bus.

[Ranger]

lynch BM then Pistachi0n and we should be done here.

While BM is the correct lynch for today, I don't think pistachi0n if scum comes out today with a vote on me. It doesn't make any kind of sense.

[Ranger]

Blackest Magic
Pistachion
Brantz
FireKari
Suzune
Ranger
Jeanne
Me/RR

Switch BRantz and pistachi0n, please. If so, I agree, though I also agree with Elbirn about the need to re-evaluate if the game hasn't ended after those two are lynched.

[Ranger]

(I also think Klingoncelt should be included near the top of that list if nobody has reasons off of roles for her to be town, but I probably shouldn't be asking about that.)

[Ranger]

His play makes no sense and he's steering us away from the current plan which is what I'd expect scum to do.

I see no steering.

I do see play that makes no sense to me, but I only see it making no sense as scum. I can

maybe

track it as being town, not sure, but it's possible.

And in my experience, if play makes no sense as either alignment, default to town anyway.

[Ranger]

So...with one scum left, now's a good time to claim.

Claim: modified roleblocker

.
I mark a person during the day. If I end the day voting a marked player, they will be roleblocked. Kills included, meaning I can stop the last scum.

I've debated on whether to tell the further restriction, but given that it'd require them nightkilling me and I'm not conftown, ultimately, I think it best to claim the tangent. My block doesn't work if the person I mark uses their role on me. So it forces the scum to make a choice: during the night, they either confirm the player I mark as being town and make a kill, no-kill to frame the person I mark, or kill me. In any case, I think we benefit.

I'm open to ideas on who to mark.
BRantz is already marked, and I'm open to who I will vote/mark.

[Ranger]

For the moment, I'll be doing this:
VOTE: BRantz.
But I'm saving the mark for discussion. I think we have three candidates: BRantz, Klingoncelt, and pistachi0n. The plan should be to lynch one of the three, and have me vote another, blocking them.

[Ranger]

Four scum?

I don't see how that would work.

So, yes. I'm claiming, so we can maximize the utility of my role.

[Ranger]

I do think that BRantz is the last scum, though.

Brantz - He will remain in my lynch pool unless he does something townie.

This in a list of five suspects stands out the most.

[Ranger]

There's also this:

I like BRanz so far.

That post? 221.

What could he have

possibly

have liked about 7 or 68?

[Ranger]

Ranger while articulate doesn't seem to be convincing anyone of anything right now. RR seems the most reasonable by far. Jeanne is Jeanne and not much will change from them, but I think they are town for reasons Rager has said. It doesn't make sense that Jeanne would be so strong against me as Scum. Wgeurts is weird. I don't know why they are defending me so strongly. IDK could just be because of going against popular opinion, not sure. As far as I'm concerned, Titus has done nothing actually helpful this game by using their ability that, lets face it, lead to a wild goose chase and lots and lots of Wifom. I have no idea why Town!Titus would do something with such little thought put behind it. Brants made an entrance and didn't really do anything. Kling has more of barely anything, FireKari flips their stance on me for the zillionth time and lastly, for the first time noticing this, Elb doesn't really go into detail on their read on me, but just says I am Scum.

This list also means BRantz could be scum, but if it's not BRantz, it's probably pistachi0n: notice who's there and who isn't. Blackest Magic is absent. And so is pistachi0n.

[Ranger]

In fact: pistachi0n is altogether absent from LQ's iso. Even Klingoncelt was given a passing townread.

[Ranger]

We had 13.

[Ranger]

LQ avoided others as well.

I counted. Me, one. RR, two. Jeanne, three. wgeurts, four. Titus, five. Brantz, six. Klingon, seven. FireKari, eight. Elbirn, nine.

I suppose Suzune isn't included, but he has plenty of interaction with Suzune which suggests they are not scumbuddies.

@Ranger Can your roleblock prevent day actions?

No, which is why I knew wgeurts's dayvig on me was fake.

[Ranger]

I think that I want to do this:

Mark: pistachi0n

.

If we decide to lynch BRantz, let me switch votes over to pistachi0n to block them.

[Ranger]

I see pistachi0n around, yet I don't see posting here. It's looking like pistachi0n is scum who has given up.

[Ranger]

How did your ability's inability to roleblock day actions grant you the knowledge that wgeurts's dayvig on you was fake?

Because I don't think my ability would specify night actions if there was a role that could act in a harmful way during the day.

Anyway, lynch BRantz let Klingoncelt night kill pistachi0n and then we'll look at suzune/Klingoncelt.

Alright. If you're lynching BRantz...

VOTE: pistachi0n.
...Then I block pistachi0n.

[Ranger]

Ranger should change mark and vote to fireKari (if firekari is scum we prevent the nightkill. No nightkill means scum is fucking with us or fire is the scum, i.e. can't reliably determine alignment, but we've prevented a town death. If nk happens then firekari is confirmed town.)

I can only mark one person a day. (Pretty sure, anyway. Otherwise I feel stupid for not just marking everyone D1. :P) So the people I can mark are BRantz and pistachi0n.

Whoever the town lynches, I need to be voting the other.

[Ranger]

*The people I can vote.

[Ranger]

MOD: If you haven't already replaced me, Emergency V/LA.

I'd have announced it BEFORE having been without internet for 48 hours, but the thing about weather-induced access issues is that they are weather induced and not exactly something that I could have planned for.

Gah, this is annoying. The blasted power's STILL not back, even two freakin' days later, and the 'net I AM borrowing is limited and PAINFULLY slow.

[Ranger]

So...not marking anyone until I'm told to.
Similar for voting.

I want to know what the plan is, now.

[Ranger]

If I were to contribute right at this moment, I would be doing so with a mark then vote on FireKari, while advocating a lynch on Klingoncelt.

I do think it best to reread before anything final, and I will not vote/mark a player without the approval of wgeurts and/or Reasonable Rational.

[Ranger]

VOTECOUNT 1.04
LicketyQuickety (4): Suzune, Jeanne11, Ranger, Firekari
Titus (3): Blackest Magick, wgeurts, Bright
Elbirn (3): pistachi0n, BRantz, Titus

This may be a vague indicator Elbirn could be scum. Why did LQ vote Titus rather than the larger (all-town) Elbirn wagon?

VOTECOUNT 1.10
LicketyQuickety (3): Ranger, Titus, Suzune

Suzune left then came back; this would be an indicator to me of Suzune being town. FireKari left.

VOTECOUNT 1.11
LicketyQuickety (5): Ranger, Titus, Suzune, Jeanne11, Firekari

...And came back...

VOTECOUNT 1.12
LicketyQuickety (5): Ranger, Titus, Suzune, Jeanne11, Elbirn

...And left again.

VOTECOUNT 1.17
LicketyQuickety (7): Ranger, Suzune, Jeanne11, Elbirn, Firekari, Titus, pistachi0n

This was the point where LQ's power was confirmed. (I'm also making a mental note to check FireKari's reaction to LQ's claim. FireKari's reaction to seeing LQ claim to be a bulletproof double-voter should, if town, have been to call BS when they themselves are a double-voter.)

VOTECOUNT 1.18
LicketyQuickety (6): Ranger, Suzune, Firekari, Titus, pistachi0n, Jeanne11

...And Elbirn hopped off. (Of note, though: Bright was positioned on Elbirn for seven votecounts.)

On the Blackest Magic end of things, Elbirn voted them for the first nine, briefly moved to Titus on the tenth votecount, unvoted, and from there, was basically always on LQ.

VOTECOUNT 2.02
Blackest Magick (5): BRantz, Ranger, Elbirn, wgeurts, FireKari

If Elbirn or FireKari are scum, then this is unusual, since it'd be a double-bus from them.

VOTECOUNT 2.03
Blackest Magick (4): Ranger, Elbirn, Jeanne11, Suzune

However, FireKari

does

unvote, moving to Reasonably Rational.

This has given me a few things I wish to focus my investigation on, but it's not anything conclusive yet.

[Ranger]

So I double-isoed FireKari and LicketyQuickety.

I found a few things of interest on the second page:

Yes. LQ still seems to be optimal D1 lynch so far from our perspectives.

FireKari had to be coaxed back into revoting LicketyQuickety, in spite of having been not voting at the time.

Like this post.
~Yukari

This, speaking of 1127.

I noted that a lot of FireKari's votes in fact seem to be meant to appease: the vote on LQ was appeasing Jeanne. The vote on Blackest Magick was appeasing Elbirn. FireKari's votes since then have also been appeasement to the confirmed town.

So right now, I'm looking at something like this:
{wgeurts, Reasonably Rational}
{Suzune}
{Elbirn}
{FireKari, Klingoncelt}.

I'd prefer I block/mark one and we lynch the other, but this is just a preliminary reading. I'll need to look at things in full-context to get a better idea.

[Ranger]

Another angle we

can

approach this from is a systematic POE angle: the scum

must

nightkill me if they wish to avoid confirming the player I mark/vote as town. Assuming they do, we have seven alive. That gives us three lynches, when there are only four possible names: Suzune, Elbirn, FireKari, and Klingoncelt. We just need to figure out one town player, and then we've got an automatic win.

[Ranger]

It's basically going to be let's lynch Klingoncelt and Ranger is hard town, Elibern and Suzune hard but not as hard town and FireKari weakest town.

So...permission to mark/vote FireKari?

[Ranger]

Mark: FireKari.

VOTE: FireKari.

[Ranger]

We'd rather put the work in before scum has a chance to night kill us to just figure it out and get the win done.

If scum nightkilled you, then they'd be confirming FireKari as town.
Confirming FireKari as town, while having me as confirmed town and one other mason as confirmed town, would doom them to losing via POE alone. (Five alive, two conftown aside from me.)

So, you can be assured you won't die tonight.

[Ranger]

You are far from confirmed town.

Yes, but killing anyone other than me will confirm FireKari as town and I know I'm town, so there's that.

@Ranger
Why such a strong town read of us before? And why the shift?

I actually don't remember. If I had to

guess

, it'd be seeing your early LQ (and maybe BM?) pushes, but I don't actually know; I've forgotten. The shift is in part because of not remembering, and in part because of a combination of research (seeing you as potential scum) along with simple POE (you being less town than you were before).

[Ranger]

You know, I'm waiting for people to post, but I don't really have much to say.
I think the lynch Klingon, blocking FireKari plan is the way to go, so am just waiting for everyone else to follow through on what they're already saying.

[Ranger]

Yeah I think Klingoncelt is certainly scum

Which is why I'm waiting on the lynch.

[Ranger]

I actually did consider Elbirn as a possibility for being scum.
My role makes sense along-side Suzune's role in my eyes. (At least I think? I'd have to double-check the mechanics of how Suzune's role works and compare them to mine, but I think we augment each other in a Varsoon-town manner.)
FireKari is who I am voting/blocking, so tonight if they're scum their options are incredibly limited and if not then scum will end up clearing them (or killing me) which is good either way.
Which leaves Elbirn or Klingon. Klingon makes more sense by play to be scum, and Elbirn's role would be an unusual moderator choice for giving the scumteam (why have the wall if only scum can use it?), but Elbirn's investigative aspect

does

make sense for a scumteam to have, and that has been something I have thought of being possible.

[Ranger]

Huh.
That's actually pretty neat!

...Too bad the scum this game really don't deserve a draw and the town this game really deserves a proper win, so we can't go for it unless we get down to, like, 4p mylo with no clear plan and no strong indicator for last scum, but I don't see that as ever happening, ever, given what we've got now, so shame.

[Ranger]

Klingon, Ranger, Suzune, Firekari, Elbirn: Everyone please refresh my memory on exactly what your abilities are and how they function.

Sure.
I'm a modified roleblocker.
During the day, I mark a player. (I believe it's only one mark allowed per day.)
The player marked will be informed they have been marked.
This marking lasts the entire game. (Because it needs to be activated.)
I activate the roleblock via my vote: if I end the day voting a marked player, the marked player will be roleblocked.
...However, my block has a weakness; if the player targets me, their action will still succeed.

This is all from memory; I'd have to check the exact PM for details on the wording, but I'm reasonably certain this is an accurate summary.

[Ranger]

Checked my role PM. It is in fact one player a day. (Didn't remember a word in there which made it implicit.)
So the paraphrase in 2222 is correct. (My ability isn't actually called a modified roleblock, but it's described through text as such--substitute "marked player will be roleblocked" for "marked player will have any actions fail". Which is a roleblock.)

[Ranger]

Ranger, umm. :/ restrictions like the one you just mentioned really shouldn't be mentioned.

I considered leaving it unclaimed, but ultimately, I decided that it was more important for you to know.

Clarify with Varsoon please on whether or not the block still happens if you are lynched that day, with your vote on someone you've marked.

Already know the answer to that one. If I'm lynched, the block does not happen. I wish I could explain the wording to you on why, but as is, my paraphrases are dangerously close and I'd very much prefer not to get myself modkilled.

[Ranger]

But how come titus was assassinated and Jeanne and pistachi0n were slain?

My guess would be different flavor for different members of the scumteam: Blackest Magick doing the kill N1, and then the remaining scum player doing the kills after that.

[Ranger]

Btw, if people read what my

actual

role PM is (I lied! My roleblock functioned the exact

opposite

of the way I said; they were only roleblocked if targeting me), I think you can understand why I was marking the way I was: the point of marking a player was to draw their attention onto me. If I thought they were scum, I'd be voting them and their action would fail; if I thought they were town, I wouldn't be voting them and whatever action they used on me would go through.

I was pretty happy with that fakeclaim. Shame it didn't get put into practice.

[Ranger]

So he's a dragon? Cool. [/joke]

I was actually super, super confused when everyone in-thread was calling Bright a dog. I even checked my role PM multiple times, going... "But...aren't

I

the dog?" I kept silence about it since I didn't want to give any flavor clues about what marking did, but needless to say, it was something I was constantly wondering about. :P

[Ranger]

Parasyte Mafia (A Large theme game based on the anime and manga of the same name)

Pre-in for this, btw.

I would have killed Ranger to get rid of the roleblock, then either Wgeurts or Suzune the next night.

Nice to know my plan would have worked, though! (Let's say Elbirn was lynched, and you nightkilled me. By virtue of my role, FireKari would be mod-confirmed town, with both masons alive: leaving you in an auto-loss situation, five alive and three conftown.)

Also, I was rather pleased I instantly nailed both LQ and BM. In hindsight, I regret not having mentioned the BM suspicion the moment it came up, since instead of pointing at a post I explicitly had it, all I can do is point to where it was implied and go, "See here? See this 126? Yeah, BM was one of the two others!" Alas. :(
(They were, but all you have is my word.)

[Ranger]

01[23:25] <Drixx> Ranger may just be one of those people who thinks they are super amazing at Day one because they get lucky occasionally

Not luck, strategy! The wgeurts mark was used super-productively. It gave a false positive because masons have a fundamentally-similar pattern to mafia, but I

did

find people reacting to it--mainly, your slot. Marking a player like that was exactly my intention.

I'm not the type of player to assume I've caught all the scum on D1, but I think I'm averaging a 66% accuracy rate on here overall. I doubt that rate will last, but I don't think it's simply luck. I do think something I do is working. However, again, I think I do a decent job of not getting too cocky about it. When we play in future games, feel free to tell me I'm getting overconfident; I'll take your concern absolutely seriously.

[Ranger]

But, since your power was a lie, that whole plan wouldn't have worked. :p

Well, it was a half-truth!
My role worked the way I said it did: I marked one player a day. A marked player would be told they were marked. Marks last the entire game. If I end a day voting a player, their action will fail (i.e., be roleblocked)...it's just instead of having a failure condition of "will fail if targeting me", it had a failure condition of "will fail if

not

targeting me". :P

[Ranger]

For what it's worth: I probably would have come clean come next game day had I lived, since lying at that point would have done more harm than good.

[Ranger]

Also, I was relieved Varsoon took the marks in-thread.
That was something I added; the ability was specified as via PM.
I didn't like the idea of my mark being anonymous, given the nature of the role was to

draw attention to myself

, thus, public marking. :D

[Ranger]

Anyway, I thought I'd give some feedback.

On me:

Obviously, going after the masons was a mistake, and my read on BRantz was wrong. So my play wasn't perfect, but be it luck or skill, I did focus on LQ and BM (and tried dismantling some townVtown fighting), meaning I at least have that in my credit. I maintain my wgeurts/BRantz marks were solid, and Klingon's confirmed my FireKari mark was a game-winning one, though I do admit: the pistachi0n mark was a mistake. I also chose to lynch scum rather than utilize my power D1 and D2, for better or for worse, but given my ultimate (fake)claim, I think it was an okay call on my part. So altogether an alright game of mine--not great, but certainly not bad!

BRantz:

I think you played about as well as you could have; you were mostly lynched off of role-based reasons rather than off of your play. If I have any advice for you, it would be to try and be a little more active--I know that real life is a thing, but if you had been more active in your pushes (for instance, the BM push), then it may have been cause to override setup spec and talk of role wording.

Elbirn:

Nothing but praise for how you handled the game. You were an immediate townread for how you were fairly lighthearted and joyous, and your coordination with Titus/Jeanne was excellent. Then you had to go and beat me to the punch in naming the scumteam, even better than I did at that! Very impressive play. The only reason you had suspicion on you come endgame was because of POE and setup spec. Maybe you could serve to have some improvement with the strength of your pushes, though? That seemed to be the main cause of paranoia near the end--that you could have been scum bussing both partners lightly while not committing to it heavily. But I'm not sure. You played well. Not much to say beyond that.

FireKari:

I would have liked to have seen more of the 'Fire' half of your hydra in the game, but I do think you carried yourselves well. If my understanding is correct, Yukari is basically nearing the end of your mafia career, so giving feedback wouldn't help much, though honestly I'm not sure what I would have to say; I think ending things on this game would be ending them on a high note, given your performance. You did good.

Jeanne:

I think you managed to support the town players very well in this game, but I was very annoyed you had that paranoia fight with Titus. The main piece of advice I would give you is this:

slow down

. If you have the time to think about things, then you will probably find yourself in a much more favorable environment, one where your paranoia doesn't consume you, and the points you raise are actually listened to rather than discarded.

pistachi0n:

I think increased activity may have helped you more. One of the main reasons people were throwing attention your way a lot of the time was because you were placed among the lurkers, along-side Klingoncelt. If you had been more active, imagine the focus which Klingoncelt would have been placed under! That would be the main piece of advice I would have.

Reasonably Rational:

While I think your early play suffered heavily from extreme bias (especially in a sort-of roundabout-OMGUS way), I think you did an excellent job taking up the leadership mantle from day two onward after Titus died. Your theories might not have always been correct, but they were always based on solid assumptions. (You even managed to correctly figure out I was lying about my role in your last post there, Drixx! Just not the right reasons for it. :P) So good job on doing what good confirmed town should be doing: getting confirmed at exactly the time needed, and then taking up the mantle of leadership precisely when required.

Suzune:

I don't really have anything to say to you in regards to feedback. I think you played a solid game, start to finish. Your activity was good, your reads were good, you held onto your role until it would have been needed, basically, you did everything right. Activity was good, interactions with players was good, I think that if I were to compare all the isos in this game, yours would be the towniest by far.

Titus:

Scum killed you N1, and for good reason. You were a force to be reckoned with this game. You built a successful townbloc which was all town, you were hounding scum, and your usage of your role was brilliant. I don't think anyone else given what you had would have gotten as much utilization out of it as you did. All-around, I think you played an awesome game. You did have a little bit of annoying town fighting, though. Mainly, with Jeanne. (You fought with RR, too, but so did I, so can't blame you without first blaming myself. :P) Other than those bouts of paranoia which I advise keeping in check, a great showing from you. You led the town until the scum made absolutely sure you wouldn't be able to lead them anymore. What more can you ask for?

wgeurts:

While your early game might not have been impressive, you were THE late-game force to be reckoned with. While I was listening to RR and willing to follow their lead, you held a commanding presence in the late game, maximizing the utility of being confirmed town to deliver some solid analysis. You were, after all, the driving force behind that final Klingoncelt lynch, so you're basically directly responsible for our win. Plus, lolhammering two scum (both having solid claims that would slow a lynch) certainly gives credit to you, even if you didn't think you were lynching scum at the time.

Blackest Magick:

I think you would have benefited from being in the game more. I know you had some trouble getting into the game, but it was very obvious in a manner that felt like scum. While interactions were one of the largest condemning factors of your play, simply being around would have helped mitigate that somewhat. After all, when you only have so little content, whatever you have is amplified in strength by those attempting to read you...so by having only a little bit, and having that little bit help point to your scumbuddies and you being scum...you were placing yourselves into a very precarious position.

Klingoncelt:

Similar to Blackest Magick, if you had been around more and pushed people stronger, then you may have avoided the spotlight near the end of the game. In this game, two players were called lurkers who could potentially be scum, and you were one of them. So that would be my advice: increase your activity as scum. You were present for short bursts (particularly, at the ending), so you have the capability; I think it would serve you well.

LicketyQuickety:

It's been said already to you, but don't sabotage your towngame for your scumgame. Improve whichever is weaker to be better. If both are weak...then improve both! Find what works for you. Change things up a bit. I think one of the main things to work on would be sincerity: a lot of your posting this game came across as being forced, and that's because it was; you were scum. If you can learn to be more natural, it will help you hide much better.


Great game all-around, especially for the town.

Thanks for modding, Varsoon! :)

[Ranger]

I'm probably going to go ahead with the Steven Universe Prequel game first.

I'll let some other players have the glory for that game. I wanna play the Parasyte game, so I'll just wait.

Thanks for your thoughts though, more people should do what you just did

That's why I did it. :P

And as an added note, if I'm not mistaken you're pretty much brand new here (but not to forum mafia), but you're p good.

Thanks for the compliment! I am indeed new here (as my join date shows), but not to forum mafia. I don't really consider myself a newb as a result. I'll try not to disappoint people in future games. (Assuming I even live, that is. For some

mysterious

reason, I'm increasingly finding myself an early nightkill. :P)