Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[Varsoon]

"The Ground quakes with the anger of the people. Their cries echo in the heavens. Now is the time for this to end."

-Warren,

Suikoden I

VOTECOUNT 1.14

LicketyQuickety (5):

Ranger, Titus, Suzune, Jeanne11, Elbirn

Elbirn (2):

BRantz, Bright

Ranger (2):

wgeurts, Blackest Magick

Jeanne11 (1):

LicketyQuickety

Bright (1):

Reasonably Rational

Firekari (1):

pistachi0n

Klingoncelt (1):

Firekari

Not Voting (1):

Klingoncelt

With 14 Alive, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-11 18:55:00)

[Titus]

Hoods are not alignment indicative..

If there are 2 people in the hood. The bigger the hood, the more likely that there's at least 1 Scum in it. A hood with 4 players in it most likely has at least 1 Scum.

That's only true of mod designed hoods. Jeanne picked me. We added Elbrin and Suzune.

[Titus]

I don't see Klingon scumhunting.

It's Day 1. I'm trying to sort things out. This game is like falling down a rabbit hole, it's so nuts. As soon as I think I've got someone sorted, somebody else comes in and changes everything.

For now, I'm trying to figure out who's Scum between Wgeurts and Ranger, and between Jeanne and LQ. Also I keep forgetting that Brantz and Pistachion are in the game until I see their names in my notes.

I still think the threadlock vote thing was scummy.


That's pretty much all I have right now.

Deal.

One thing - I want everyone's reads on Brantz and Pistachion.

Why are you pushing dichotomies?

If you thought the threadlock thing was scummy, where is the anger? You are fully capable of being pissed with me, ranting at me. You have a certain amount of fire. Where is it?

Why do you feel the way you do?

Why aren't you asking questions that could highlight alignment?

[Ranger]

LQ, everyone is a PR this game.

For obvious reasons, nobody should respond to this until a massclaim.
But if massclaim comes to pass and this is shown to be accurate...what does that tell you about LQ?

...Exactly. Scum who doesn't know everyone has a role.

I must also note I absolutely

hate

the tag-team wgeurts has with LQ against Jeanne. It pressured Jeanne into revealing info she really didn't need to reveal.

[Klingoncelt]

Hoods are not alignment indicative..

If there are 2 people in the hood. The bigger the hood, the more likely that there's at least 1 Scum in it. A hood with 4 players in it most likely has at least 1 Scum.

That's only true of mod designed hoods. Jeanne picked me. We added Elbrin and Suzune.

Are you confirmed Town? Is Elbirn? Is Suzune? Is Jeanne for that matter? No. You easily could have a Scum in there.

[FireKari]

VOTE: FireKari

I didn't like her earlier, I especially don't like her convenient LQ vote.

Which vote did you not like and why?

The vote on LQ in 938. Why is LQ going to give you the most information out of all your scumreads? I didn't like it because you were jumping as the wagon got larger.

For multiple reasons. Info wise, Titus would be the next on the list of flips we would like to see, though she is town lean while we have been scum reading LQ all game. LQ was at the center of the Titus gambit. Knowing the alignment of LQ and/or Titus would help us see deeper into the other players interactions with them.

Powers are for the weak. I have no powers. I mean, unless you count the power to blow minds with my weapons-grade philosophical insights. I'm a thought-ocoster. I'm a conundrummer in a band called Life Puzzler. Hell, I've flipped more lids than a monkey in a soup kitchen of the mind. Does that make me a hero?

Hoods are not alignment indicative..

If there are 2 people in the hood. The bigger the hood, the more likely that there's at least 1 Scum in it. A hood with 4 players in it most likely has at least 1 Scum.

We disagree. Hoods alone are not alignment indicative. Larger hoods would only have larger chance of having a scum due to more dicerolls. Though this would also apply to any randomly selected group of players. The bigger the randomly selected group, the more likely that there's at least 1 scum in the group.
~Yukari

[Klingoncelt]

Why are you pushing dichotomies?

If you thought the threadlock thing was scummy, where is the anger? You are fully capable of being pissed with me, ranting at me. You have a certain amount of fire. Where is it?

Why do you feel the way you do?

Why aren't you asking questions that could highlight alignment?

The anger's in the local sewage system. I'm getting over a nasty stomach flu. The fire's in my spine with an arthritis flareup. I don't have the energy to rant.

I am asking the right questions. They're working for me. I'm getting used to being on this side of the looking glass, things will begin to gel for me soon.

You didn't answer my question.

[Ranger]

You do realise LQ could be town?
That so could I?
That you 4 aren't conf-town?

All true.

At least two of the three are incredibly likely to be true, though. I seriously like a {Titus, Jeanne, Elbirn, Suzune} townbloc. I personally added in FireKari because I hold a

hard

townread on them. I hate the attempts to break the townbloc up, and I think they are driven by scum's fear that they can't break it.

I'm convinced LQ is scum. I do owe explanation for this, but none of his posting is good. He lacks actual scumhunting; he's just throwing random accusations out there that he doesn't even believe in.

The only one I really see any reason to doubt is my read on you. You could just be bad town not realizing how horrendously wrong you are, I will admit that, but you're not off my radar.

[Ranger]

Titus - Don't like the gambit, just looks like an attempt to earn some townreads.

For the record: Titus's brilliant usage of both neighborhood and messenger role with a coded message attached to it is

exactly

the type of play common from town players on the site I come from. (There's a reason I was filled with great ire when I realized I had replaced into a Messenger role that had already been outed in my recently-completed micro.) There was literally no more town way to have used that ability.

Titus - Early on, didn't like her accusing LQ of rolefishing, or saying that my RVS was the worst she's ever seen.
Ranger - Really didn't like his post saying i'm confirmed scum. Especially on D1. People who do that to me are usually scum. Would love to wagon this.

Explicitly-OMGUS reads.

Brantz - He will remain in my lynch pool unless he does something townie.

This is

incredibly

likely to be a scum distancing tactic. BRantz is rapidly moving back into my lynch list. (Both because of this and thinking wgeurts may just really be that bad.)

[wgeurts]

LQ, everyone is a PR this game.

For obvious reasons, nobody should respond to this until a massclaim.
But if massclaim comes to pass and this is shown to be accurate...what does that tell you about LQ?

...Exactly. Scum who doesn't know everyone has a role.

I must also note I absolutely

hate

the tag-team wgeurts has with LQ against Jeanne. It pressured Jeanne into revealing info she really didn't need to reveal.

This role-madness, we all have a PR. LQ said he tends to scum read all PR's

[wgeurts]

You do realise LQ could be town?
That so could I?
That you 4 aren't conf-town?

All true.

At least two of the three are incredibly likely to be true, though. I seriously like a {Titus, Jeanne, Elbirn, Suzune} townbloc. I personally added in FireKari because I hold a

hard

townread on them. I hate the attempts to break the townbloc up, and I think they are driven by scum's fear that they can't break it.

I'm convinced LQ is scum. I do owe explanation for this, but none of his posting is good. He lacks actual scumhunting; he's just throwing random accusations out there that he doesn't even believe in.

The only one I really see any reason to doubt is my read on you. You could just be bad town not realizing how horrendously wrong you are, I will admit that, but you're not off my radar.

Lol it's not a town bloc, a town bloc for one is widely town read and don't scum read each other.
Stop spewing nonsense.

[Ranger]

FireKari:

Whatever happened to this?

VOTE: LQ
We think LQ is likely scum, but also think LQ is the best lynch target even if he were to flip town. LQ flip will help us read others, more than any other flip.

Would you be willing to vote LicketyQuickety again?

[wgeurts]

Also titus' play isn't brilliant, we literally drew nothing from it.

[wgeurts]

You know what fuck it.

Kill: ranger

[wgeurts]

There is literally no fucking way you're town.

[wgeurts]

Any last words?

[FireKari]

UNVOTE:

Hoods are not alignment indicative..

If there are 2 people in the hood. The bigger the hood, the more likely that there's at least 1 Scum in it. A hood with 4 players in it most likely has at least 1 Scum.

That's only true of mod designed hoods. Jeanne picked me. We added Elbrin and Suzune.

Worth noting. Who decided to add them?

One thing - I want everyone's reads on Brantz and Pistachion.

Both of them are lurky null reads to us, specially brantz. Pistachion case on us seems very lazy, though not sure what to make of that with such little to go on.

FireKari:

Whatever happened to this?

VOTE: LQ
We think LQ is likely scum, but also think LQ is the best lynch target even if he were to flip town. LQ flip will help us read others, more than any other flip.

Would you be willing to vote LicketyQuickety again?

Yes. LQ still seems to be optimal D1 lynch so far from our perspectives.

[Ranger]

@RR, Quoting Klingon's ISO and saying it's meaningful doesn't explain anything.

It shows that Klingon is probably town, though.

Still think Lickety is the lynch for the day.

So please vote them?

Firekari: Under what circumstances would you be unable to conftown D2?

I canNOT believe that a town player would ask this question.

If a player claims they can confirm themselves as town, the appropriate course of action is to have them name a day, and once they do,

immediately drop the subject

.
There's a difference between holding them accountable and giving the scum unnecessary information.

Marking someone after two posts, with something she admits is at best bad, isn't pro-town play.

I never said it was bad. I said my suspicion was weak. But given the way my mark works, there was absolutely nothing bad about marking a weak scumread.

I actually don't believe there's a single person so far today who has given me cause to think they're town.

And I don't believe you hold such a backwards view of the game. There are ten town in a game and only three mafia. If you're throwing dirt at everyone and townreading almost nobody, you are quite literally entirely backwards of what you

should

be.

[FireKari]

You know what fuck it.

Kill: ranger

Assuming this means we are in dusk. If anyone has something they want to say before night falls, go for it.

[Ranger]

What made you think wguerts was scum that early in the game?

I didn't like his RVS posting.

Why didn't you vote them for that?

Because I was using my mark as a second vote. The act of marking wgeurts served as a statement of suspicion. So does a vote. Marking wgeurts while also voting him would have been a waste of resources.

Like this post.

Hated that post. I saw no original content in it, simply restating and rehashing questions people had already gone over.

[Ranger]

Ranger, for developing a scum read strong enough to mark a player after two meaningless posts were made by that player.

And I refuse to believe you hold this opinion when I've made it clear that where I come from, RVS content is important.

Ranger, is your marking only useful at the beginning of the day?

Sort-of? The later into the day I use the mark, the less utility there is behind me having marked a player.

[Titus]

Wgeurts, fake daykills not cool. Doubly so on town.

[Ranger]

Lol it's not a town bloc, a town bloc for one is widely town read and don't scum read each other.

And most of the members of the townbloc do townread each other. Titus and Jeanne had a spat where they didn't, but (1) it seems to have reversed and (2) I've been trying to strengthen their townreads on one another anyway.

You know what fuck it.
Kill: ranger

Helpful hint for gambits: don't pull it on someone who knows how day roles work. Thanks to my own role, I know you're bluffing.

Nice try, though.

[BRantz]

Through page 28 I don't like Jeanne at all. The case Titus has made on her is very similar to my thoughts. Plus every time I have been in a game with Jeanne when she is scum, she threw a fit any time someone suspected her. This looks very similar to that Jeanne. Plus there is AtE oozing from all of her rage posts. Though, her continued craziness makes me think maybe she is town. Null for now? I guess?

Titus seems very town, but I don't know why you she outed her gambit right after doing it. I feel like information could have been gained by leaving the gambit in the dark for a bit.

Ranger makes a really good point about BM in 752. I like how rationally ranger has approached the game so far, probably town.

It may be awful, but I will not be tricked again, get it?

Also, the proof I am town is that I wouldn't be voting LQ if I am scum.

This post is so bad. How does this possibly prove anything?

I was having null-scum feelings about wguerts, but I like his reads post 836 a lot, and he is null-town for me now, plus his discussion with Jeanne/LQ has me leaning town there too.

I like 902 by RR a lot.

I'm not convinced of the LQ scum thought process, but he certainly has some off posts. Titus, where did you think he was rolefishing again? (Oh never mind, this is covered in 1065)

BM seems likely to be scum, post 1076 is just awful, and an easy way to try to look like they are doing something while adding absolutely nothing to the game.

VOTE: Blackest Magick

Also, I have been going back and forth with myself on whether to talk about it, and have decided that I should. I should not be alive at lylo for the good of the town. My role is particularly volatile there, and so if we are indecisive at the end of a day we should lynch me.

[Reasonably Rational]

Ranger, for developing a scum read strong enough to mark a player after two meaningless posts were made by that player.

And I refuse to believe you hold this opinion when I've made it clear that where I come from, RVS content is important.

Ranger, is your marking only useful at the beginning of the day?

Sort-of? The later into the day I use the mark, the less utility there is behind me having marked a player.

Fuck off with your "I refuse to believe" bullshit. Neither of us care one bit about your ego stroking "I'm amazing and can have perfect reads 100% of the time based upon posts which are by definition random, and I told you that I come from a site where RVS content miraculously wins the game for town 100% of the time" bullshit. Self-meta is worthless, and sorry but your reads are so bad it's actually funny. I literally am laughing at how bad your reads and play is so far today.

~Drixx