Mini 1806 : DotA Mafia [Round 1 - SD] (Game Over ?!)

[Fire Assassin]

Hello to everyone, team Radiant shall overall win this, but I am more for the town then to radiant team.
Now I decided instead of RVS, I would simply announce 1 (not both) of my discards. [After some thought]

I discarded Naga Siren.

[Fire Assassin]

I am kind of curious on what you guys talked about in Dire pregame chat, if anything. We had a interesting kind of miscommunication debate on whether revealing discards was a good idea.

[Fire Assassin]

I guess I could also participate in RVS too:
VOTE: Yume

[Fire Assassin]

We had communication problems, I confused that for scummy.

[Fire Assassin]

I guess I could also participate in RVS too:

Whatever happened to your oh so "mostly useful for town" discussion?

We had communication problems, I confused that for scummy.

rofurmau

VOTE: Fire Assasin

I never back down on my word

First point, I don't know what your exactly referring to.

Secondly, like the vote. Like your motto. Don't think its a good one to have for mafia games in general, but its still nice.

[Fire Assassin]

And literally: Thought it was a Bad Idea --> Did it anyways --> Explains why he did it --> RVS

In 3 posts

3 in 1 + 1

I only explained one of my discards, you are confusing me with your "In 3 posts" what does that mean?

[Fire Assassin]

I have read my posts.
I said I wasn't going to RVS then decided to RVS anyways.

What exactly is your point?

[Fire Assassin]

So your problem now, disregarding the whole debate and miscommunication we had in the team chat, is that I changed my mind in the first page to vote someone and explain my discard?

I can't tell if you are serious.

[Fire Assassin]

A) Assuming you told the truth, you already gave out 1 less threat to scum
B) Assuming you lied, you lied.
C) We already had the discussion and we have been saying it over and over again that discards are crap and 99.9% anti-town by now ESPECIALLY since its day 1.
C.1) That giving out discards is as good as PR fishing
C.2) Even you agreed to that, STILL you did it anyways
D) You're trying to get away from voting me and dismissing it as "miscommunication and I just thought it was scummy"

A) Thats not how roles work in general in this.
B) Okay? Why would I lie? Someone would have that pick. You realize that, right?
C) Yes, we had a discussion, and decided giving out ALL the discards was anti town, because it gives scum too much information on roles.
C.1) No, giving out a discard only gives out what roles aren't in the game. They don't give out my role or anyone else.
C.2) Yes, and I explained why.
D) Because I actually think we had horrible communication problems where both of us weren't reading each others posts.

That about sums it up.

[Fire Assassin]

Fire, what's your reasoning behind outing one of your discards? What was your goal with that? Because in our pt I felt you were town because of your hands-on approach of this game, but seeing you claim that discard, and then checking out what it is, makes me think you want us to think you are town a little too much. Do you want everybody to claim 1 discard? If not, what makes it so important that you share a discard and the rest does not?

It is to create discussion material. I thought it would help us move forward without being in RVS that long, because I really really hate RVS. I want to get out of it as much as possible, and I think I have somewhat succeeded in these topics of discussion so that we aren't just randomly voting to start of with, which I enjoy more.

VOTE: Fire Assassin

Thought he was sketchy in the Radiant chat, and like him even less here.

This was never mentioned or covered in the chat. I wonder why.

Points of suspicion are:

- Inconsistency
- Anti-Town sentiments ( Massclaiming early )
- LAMIST

Inconsistency is scum, okay.
Claims I am mass claiming? What? Either this player isn't reading or he is lying. Scummy here.
I don't know what a "Lamist" is. So ignoring that.

The Dire neighborhood is dead silent

Pretty much expected

Perhaps they were busy talking in their scum chat, instead?



Also Racical's vote here is ew as he has to overexplain it but wasn't actually there in the pre-game chat

This post is tongue in cheek but its got an attitude that is too 'jokingly' with me and it really kind of annoys me. Not because the player is just joking around, but because he is seems to be looking for other places to put his vote on. His comments overall are limited. Not so sure on this slot, might be town, but not really happy with posts to date.

Before we get too far along, I'd like to politely request that the Survivor come forward. You don't have to if you're scared, but I see no reason why either side should kill a Survivor.

And scum: don't even think about faking. I will find out, and you will be lynched.

This can be pro town or pro scum.
If survivor claims that is one less town that can die at night.
Survivor should not claim.

[Fire Assassin]

And I still think the same way.

Who cares? I made my pick based on character preference, Character pick and discards have no bearing on alignemnt imo

The issue was not whether the roles have bearing on alignment, but whether revealing them would be a good idea.

The general consensus is that we should not.

You were not part of the consensus at all, and you are just piggybacking off other people.
VOTE: Radical Rat

Real vote.

[Fire Assassin]

Scratch that, Survivor wins with either alignment.

Ok, you're suggestion is fine.

No, it isn't.
Survivor should 100% not claim.

[Fire Assassin]

Please explain. Survivor can win with either faction, so I think it's ok for them to claim.

Same reason survivor shouldn't claim in a normal game.
If survivor claims they are 100% not getting NKed. That means a town is always going to die to it.

Survivor might also suffer a lynch just so we don't mislynch town too (this has happened so many times its no funny), so theres the points to convince you Survivor to not claim.

[Fire Assassin]

You were suggesting a massclaim of the discards, which after discussion you even agreed was Anti-Town. Yet you tried to start it anyway.

As for LAMIST it means "Look At Me I'm So Town"

I didn't post it on the clan chat because I WASN'T THERE. I made one post an hour before the game was scheduled to start when I had barely enough signal to get on my browser, and one more this morning before I moved to the game thread.

As for the Survivor, how does that mean one less Town can die at night? We're going to have 7 Town whether the Survivor claims or not.

I gave away one of my discards. I don't know how that leads to a mass claim in anyway shape or form. You are making either a slippery slope argument or some how revealing 10 roles out of 30 that aren't in the game creates some effect where everyones roles are revealed [I can make up stupid logic too!]

If thats what lamist means, its pretty stupid term. Never heard a player say it I think. Weird.

Yes, you weren't there is my point. And not saying "Ohh you aren't there so you are scum" its the fact that you act like you were there thats the problem. You act as if you were part of the decision to say "lets not discard" but you weren't. You can't have it both ways. You either were there or you weren't.

If survivor doesn't claim they are susceptible to a night death.

[Fire Assassin]

It is however to the survivors win con to claim, since the survivor must actually be alive

If they claim I will 100% push them.

[Fire Assassin]

It is however to the survivors win con to claim, since the survivor must actually be alive

If they claim I will 100% push them.

If thr claim is true, then you're basically giving mafia an extra night to kill.

Where do you come up with this kind of logic if I may ask?
If we mislynch we gave scum an extra night kill with this own logic.

[Fire Assassin]

Really, @Frozen's Future Reference, I think the Survivor is rather broken as it's almost bound to get in LyLo, be kingmaker, and have an almost guaranteed win.

Mafia could fakeclaim, but it isn't worth it in the long run esp. since the survivor can win with them.

Town lynching the Survivor is an utterly stupid idea that is worse than No Lynch since you're 1) Lynching someone confirmed to be not against you and 2) You're giving mafia a free kill basically.

We aren't going to put into a huge argument or spend anymore of this day on talking about whether to lynch survivors because its 1) Policy talk 2) Not scummhunting.

So I am leaving that talk about this.
Now about the setup thing you complain about. This setup has been in development for several months. Before it was in signups and before then the division of numbers of scum-survivor-town were already implemented. To complain about it now seems absurd to me. To complain at all, and say "Just so you know". It just irks me. As a setup developer who has put out games as semi-open when people only complain about the game during the game. Its the most annoying thing in the world.

[Fire Assassin]

Going to end that tirade.
Dire team has been the most quiet besides ircher. Shiro I want to hear more from you.

[Fire Assassin]

The return of a true scummer.
Welcome back to the game Vedith. Its been a long time.

[Fire Assassin]

You are the scum head.

[Fire Assassin]

I assume that your account is boosted.
Here's a few things that you need to know.
1 - Scum know who their partner are
2 - Scum get a night kill
3 - If scum know who Survivor is, then they will not attack that person
4 - % of Town being killed rises from Survivor saying their role.

You are welcome.

I felt like I was the only one who realized this.

[Fire Assassin]

Players who need to talk more: Yume, SnarkySnowman
Players who need to engage with more and say more in their posts: Dunnstral and Shiro

I have a small town lean on Vedith as of now, but I don't know if I like that.
His reasoning and thinking seems aligned with me, but that doesn't mean same alignment, and he could easily be piggybacking off anyone else. Meh, town right now.

[Fire Assassin]

I could policy Snarky. Would save us future headache.

[Fire Assassin]

Problem is we also have Yume, but given her track record of replacing out of games. That will solve itself.

[Fire Assassin]

I just saw.

Anyway, either wagon is fine, but I think there's more merit to the Snarky wagon rn.

Pedot: Never did I mention policy lynching.

If you think simple pressure voting will get snarky to participate heavily, I think you are misguided.

[Fire Assassin]

Problem is we also have Yume, but given her track record of replacing out of games. That will solve itself.

Yume looked a bit better than you know who....

How so?

[Fire Assassin]

All this talk about survivor isn't even helping us

Survivor is obviously not going to claim for reasons, everyone else discussing them.... doesn't help

We're not trying to find the survivor.

You are a little behind the conversation topics.

[Fire Assassin]

Yume is prodded . She has 24 hours to pick this prod up.

I would bet money that she doesn't pick this prod up.

[Fire Assassin]

@Vedith: I'm an alt and not telling my main. I for some reason thought I had a game or two with you on this account but I guess I'm wrong. Now my question to you makes a lot less sense.. Could you still try to answer?

That's fair enough, hopefully I will pick up on who you are as the game progresses

Concerning your question, I can see why you think Fire is town now, and knowing who it is, I agree. Only downside is I've never been able to read Fire, and 90% time I get his alignment wrong.

However, if you mean your read on Radical - I can see him as scum, playing as scum would, posting to post, not posting to help. I would usually be over concerned in his team mate voting with him, and although I won't rule out his little follows atm, I strongly feel that 1 of the mafia are silent.

You know I used to get you wrong all the time too.
Why should I trust you? Though this post does make me think you might be town.

[Fire Assassin]

Looks like I lost a bet.
@Ircher why aren't you voting me if you think I am the "active" mafia.

[Fire Assassin]

I may need sleep here. I can't pick up on simple stuff, I am just being stupid.

[Fire Assassin]

If this game doesn't start picking up speed. I may just go for a apathetic policy lynch on Snarky.
But seriously guys. You all should be putting more into this game. Frozen put in a lot of time developing it and for it to become a total lurkfest it is basically at is disgusting.

[Fire Assassin]

I told you disclose discards and we can talk about them more. It generates SOME discussion material.
I discarded naga siren because I thought its abilities had the least town utility out of all my hero picks.

Mirror Image and Song of Siren seem only for scum roles. and Ensare didn't seem worth it compared to those anti town functions.

[Fire Assassin]

I'm not sure. The talk in the Dire neighborhood so far has been unhelpful and Yume might not be scum. And, Shiro did stop talking when you called Shiro out.

I'd prob. put Snarky as #1 scumread then Shiro then Yume then Fire right now.

I expect it gain more use after the day 1 lynch.
I'm not against voting any of those 3. I wouldn't vote Fire yet though.

These are some of the scummy stuff I remember Town!Vedith would post often. It read as such opportunistic to do.

[Fire Assassin]

I told you disclose discards and we can talk about them more. It generates SOME discussion material.
I discarded naga siren because I thought its abilities had the least town utility out of all my hero picks.

Mirror Image and Song of Siren seem only for scum roles. and Ensare didn't seem worth it compared to those anti town functions.

If it helps, I have no idea what card I discarded.
I was looking into this further last night. And an additional reason why I think revealing this information is bad is because of the passives.
I can see that you want to get discussion going, but this isn't the way.

Don't tell me what is the way. I am the town head here!

[Fire Assassin]

Why do you think you will actually get a reaction from him?
In all honesty I don't think snarky react in any way to pressure to ever give me a better read.

[Fire Assassin]

Scum are also my enemy,They are the big bad to win the game. hopefully all of them are Radiant ^_^

Nice try Mister Shiro, I know you are the leader of the Dire Scum Team.

[Fire Assassin]

Being survivor is not really that fun.
Anyways what is your thoughts on everyone radical?

[Fire Assassin]

Shiro: We can totally start a whole waifu war right herr, right now. But can we please try playing the game? Prefferably wiyh radiant victory.

If you start a war with the lovely Shiro, you will lose.
Shiro is a charmer, have you read his sig?

[Fire Assassin]

Being survivor is not really that fun.
Anyways what is your thoughts on everyone radical?

I'm having a lot of trouble sorting you, my read seems to keep alternating from MegaScum to MegaTown. I think the problem is that your attitude seems sketchy to me, but your content looks Town. I'm going with the content for now.
TNE I think is being genuine, and therefore Town.
Ircher is my highest Townread, based on gut and a helpful, informative attitude
Dunnstral is second highest based on a sense of pure intentions.
Vedith is also difficult to read. I want to say it's a scumlean, but I fear that my personal feelings are interfering with my Mafia feelings.
Masquerade is probably my weakest Townread, based on gut alone.
Shiro, Yume, and Snarky need to post more before I can read them properly.

I am not sure on you either because I know few people who swing to the two extremes of "MegaScum" to "MegaTown" on very little content. (We are only 13 pages in). So when you give two opposing things to read me as one way or the other it sounds like fence sitting. You give about 1 read that couldn't be flipped on anything, and its kind of flimsy to begin with "genuine".

Also regarding read on Ircher, what do you mean by "informative attitude"?

You say Dunnstral is a "high" read based on "pure intentions" read for what and what intentions does he have?

[Fire Assassin]

Yeah anyone hunting for survivors is pretty suspicious to me.
That's not the biggest problems with radical as I am not seeing any town motivation and his reads seem off to me.

[Fire Assassin]

No one said they are lynching you right now. Why are you so paranoid?

[Fire Assassin]

I am not lynching Vedith today or likely ever. He is one of my few townreads right now.

[Fire Assassin]

Of course he is

Considering some of your posts and the stances you have taken, you should be lucky I am not pushing you. Cause you look way worse than Vedith.

[Fire Assassin]

WE can do a lynch past 20 pages. Right now, not doing it now, the game is too inactive and too little people talking.

I want all the inactive slots replaced or talking to get some kind of read on them.

[Fire Assassin]

How ironic is that a survivor is survivor hunting.

Bzzt

Am I missing some context here? What you referring to?

[Fire Assassin]

Can I ask you what the purpose is of revealing roles in this? It only gives scum more info if we decided not to lynch you and you are town. Can you explain why this was a necessity?

You aren't more town based on your role. Or anything.

[Fire Assassin]

It actually would have been better to give us discards imo then role.
Meh.

I didn't read that part about you going to claim, would have said something.

[Fire Assassin]

Can someone confirm if the setup was 100% random on roles and align? Because if not I can see it being swayed to have more of possibility as a town role rather than a scum role.

3 picks were randomly assigned.
The teams were randomly distributed
The players got all of these randomly.

The thing players pick are one of the roles they have out of the 3 given.

[Fire Assassin]

Either thia is the biggest townslip I've seen in my life, or a really huge scumslip and they're parters with radical

You do realize alignment was given first

We had a picking phase. We had out alignment distribited. So we actually have reasons fof picking our role.

I aint changing my vote on radical anymore

How is that a scum or town slip? It can't be both.....

[Fire Assassin]

Vedith you are cool like the other side of the pillow.
We should really bring back My Other Head Is Scum.
You kind of dropped out of our last game

[Fire Assassin]

Without discards I find it hard to say with what motivation Bane was picked. I've been thinking about the possibility of scum claiming one of their discards to hide their real actions, but the last page I haven't seen anything that suggests Rat is lying about his role. I will do a reread tonight, have to go now.

I am thinking on this.

I really want Radical to give us the discards now and we can compare them to what he claims he has.
Zero reason not to given the circumstances. He gave us his "role", which doesn't tell us anything if we don't compare it to what his actual roles could ahve been.

[Fire Assassin]

Yume is prodded . She has 24 hours to pick this prod up. reminding this is her second prod in game and I won't wait 24 hours before searching for a replacement for her possible next prods.

Will post, will get prodded and then replaced.

[Fire Assassin]

Its the only good time to reveal discards anyways.

I remember this debate. Good times.

[Fire Assassin]

Go on....

[Fire Assassin]

Yeah that wasn't productive and I don't get why you want to eliminate players who are survivor haters over you know, scumhunting.
Unless you had a scum read on tenewarth

[Fire Assassin]

Hey, this is crazy, but heres my number.
So call me maybe.

[Fire Assassin]

Sure, happy birthday man.

Here is your present:
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Time for the shit storm.

[Fire Assassin]

Ohh, didn't know this would happen.
Time to get yelled at I guess.

[Fire Assassin]

Normally I would ask why, but I am thinking that defeats the purpose.

I am going to laugh really hard if this flips survivor though.

I haven't done this in awhile.

[Fire Assassin]

You just happened to appear when you got lynched though?
Convenient.

[Fire Assassin]

I am guessing scum or survivor, because there doesn't seem to be a reason to not say "Nice job guys I was town"
Though given a lot about snarky, I wouldn't put it past him to just say "10/10" and not reveal his alignment.

Meh. We will find out in 24 hours.

[Fire Assassin]

No it wasn't, it was to progress this game that has stalemated.
Snarky is also likely survivor or mafia so I am feeling better about the more he doesn't say or comment on the fact he got lynched beyond "nice job"
Could have said "I was town" or some variation, but didn't.

If he was also town I would expect him to give us the discards too.

I might be just conf bias the conclusion I reached, but it all tells me this was right thing to do.

[Fire Assassin]

No I just got a sudden premonition that fire is mafia, you should sheep me

Umm no, everyone needs to check in and claim if they had any feedback, and then we can proceed.
We got lucky that survivor died, and should examine his ISO if he had any good possible leads that the scum were afraid off.

If you think I was the one who killed Vedith you have to explain this in detail, Its very unlikely given my interactions that I would kill him, he said he was townleaning on me as far as I am aware of.

[Fire Assassin]

Are we finally gonna lynch fire?

I'm already claiming hammer

No, you might get lynched for this anti town behavior.
We need everyone to discuss the game, there is zero reason to lynch me before everyone has had a word in.

[Fire Assassin]

Fire/Radical scumteam; simple as that.

That being said, Dunn has some kind of guilty on you, so we're lynching you first.

Radical can't be scum. Simply put, Radical thought Vedith was survivor in the previous day, why would he go for a kill on him?
Unless either A) He didn't really believe what he posted or B) He didn't decide kill.

[Fire Assassin]

Yeah, we're lynching fire

That being said, I'm feeling really uneasy about TNE hammering because it's something super anti-town that she's hiding.

You are sending mixed signals in this, and this is exactly how you have played scum from what I have seen.
If we lynch me, can you guys relook at dunnstral here?

I think TNE is actually more likely town out of these two.

[Fire Assassin]

Are we finally gonna lynch fire?

I'm already claiming hammer

No, you might get lynched for this anti town behavior.
We need everyone to discuss the game, there is zero reason to lynch me before everyone has had a word in.

>Implying I didn't want to lynch you D1

Also

Where did I say I won't have everyone talk? I just said I wanted the hammer why are you being so defensive?

heh

I never implied you didn't want to lynch me? You implied you wanted to immediately hammer me at L-1 if I was put there.....Were you not implying that?
Cause I never implied you didn't want to lynch me before.

Is defensive a scum tell?

[Fire Assassin]

OK. If FA is town you guys can get me. I have no problems with this.

That is all I really want to say on the matter

I will trade this any day.
If you are town, you need to explain your reads more, you seem to sheep everyones read on everything, and explain nothing on why your reads are.
It seems like you just have the majority opinion when it exists.

[Fire Assassin]

That being said, I'm feeling really uneasy about TNE hammering because it's something super anti-town that she's hiding.

CAN'T I NOT HAVE THE PLEASURE OF HAMMERING SOMEONE I FOUND SCUMMY ON D1?

FOR FUCKING FUCKS SAKE

You need to develop your reads.
I feel like I need to teach many of you how mafia works.

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Fire Assassin]

@Dunn can you explain why you so concerned about a persons role? That seems like something a scum would be more concerned with. We have established that role won't equal alignment so why were you hunting TNE role?

[Fire Assassin]

Snarky died Radical......
And Yume needs to get replaced at this point in the game for us to progress in any direction, because I don't think we can just PoE that slot with the little info we have now.

I have two soft townreads and three people I am unsure off and 1 person I think is highly likely scum.

[Fire Assassin]

Either Fire or me dies today.




And I don't plan on dying

That said pretty sure we're just waiting on people who haven't showed up

I am fine with both of these.

[Fire Assassin]

I dunno for some reason I feel you are town fake claiming this because you are certain fire is scum

I am pretty sure its scum fake claiming this for a few points:
1) I don't believe their is a cop ability in this setup at all (Not that I dived extremely into it)
2) I didn't visit anyone last night because all of my abilities are passive.

So how he can have a guilty at all, let alone any form of guilty is laughable at best.
This setup has no guilties and Masq joining that for this reason makes me want to reexamine her.

[Fire Assassin]

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laptop broken
haveing health issues

im doing my best thx for patient

Hope you are feeling better Frozen.

[Fire Assassin]

This is fishy.

How so...?

Even this reaction to it being called fishy screams to me that he knows he got caught. The dots in the middle are unnecessary pause to say that he is thinking how he might have gotten caught. Maybe I am reading too much into it, but I know he has no such guilty. If he is town faking this, I want to burn the slot alive for lying.

[Fire Assassin]

Newearth, I kind of think you are brain dead. If I was scum with Ircher, wouldn't I know who he visited?
I didn't know he visited me. You just think I didn't bother mentioning this fact because I knew it but thought it wasn't important?

My abilities are passive, I wasn't informed of any roleblock.

[Fire Assassin]

TL;DR

Ircher is lying, trying to bus his teammate
FA is trying not to acknowledge this and trying so hard to ignore ircher for some god awful reason

SHIRO IS STILL VI, GOD DAMMIT SHIRO DUNN WAS BEING SARCASTIC WITH THE GUILTY CLAIM, love you though <3

P.S.

Why hasn't anyone noticed that Masquerade is only here for the L-1'ing and the Hammering?

1) What is Ircher lying about? Explain how the lie correlates with the "buss"
2) WHat?

3) You are the VI.

[Fire Assassin]

wouldn't I know who he visited?

Why would it matter if you knew he visited or not?

Why would he visit his own teammate to roleblock him and or do any other actions? You just assume this part is a lie to fill your stupid theory that doesn't hold up to any water.

This is what has to be true for your theory to be right:
1) Ircher is lying about visiting me.
2) I am intentionally ignoring all of irchers talk about roleblock and other interactions for "some reason" which isn't explained.
3) Ircher did visit me for some reason but I didn't know about it, because now scum don't explain their own plans to teammates now.

^ None of this makes any sense together. You are the VI.

[Fire Assassin]

Why would he visit his own teammate to roleblock him and or do any other actions?

misrep alert

Point out the misrep. I am tired of your short posts that don't go into any detail and are all surface posts that don't explain your thoughts.

[Fire Assassin]

I wrote out a long rant on why you are being ridiculously bad and not reading the thread. I then deleted it so as not to get myself banned because it was very ban worthy, because it explained in great detail why you are being ridiculous, and why you should leave this game. Now, I will ask again.

Use your words, what did I misrep about TNE argument?

[Fire Assassin]

You're acting like, if you two

were

mafia together, him roleblocking you would be some kind of super wifom thing

In reality, you've claimed that all your abilities are passive (which he would have known)

He claimed that his power roleblocks the person he targets

and

people who target that person

You then said "3) Ircher did visit me for some reason but I didn't know about it, because now scum don't explain their own plans to teammates now."
As if you're not capable of faking

Okay, this is a good counter point.

That however wasn't a misrep you pointed out, you used a wrong word. The words you were looking for are "This isn't a good argument because you forgot the roleblock supposedly affects everyone"

Thank you for explaining your reasoning. Do this more often, pls.

[Fire Assassin]

Okay I went to check if factional kill counts as the only ability that scum can do:

Mafia have a factional kill as well , which is counting like other non-passive skills with 1 cycle cooldown.

So its possible for that theory to be true and if someone tried to do some sort of check on me would fail due to Ircher blocking me.
I guess thats +1 to you guys for that theory.

[Fire Assassin]

I am curious on why he voted me when he had blocked me and a kill still happened, I am not saying that 100% clears me, but it ensures that I didn't perform the kill so makes it less likely I am scum....

[Fire Assassin]

I am curious on why he voted me when he had blocked me and a kill still happened, I am not saying that 100% clears me, but it ensures that I didn't perform the kill so makes it less likely I am scum....

Because he thought Dunnstral had a guilty.

And conveniently forgot that it would have been roleblocked.

Yeah, that is odd.

[Fire Assassin]

Yes, I didn't really consider the ramifications of all that could mean if the people who target me are roleblocked me too, very stupid by me.

[Fire Assassin]

If I visited Fire to roleblock him (assuming Fire and I are scum), then I cannot perform the factional kill, as all active abilities are exclusive of each other. And Fire couldn't execute the kill cuz the kill would be blocked.

So no, occam's razor suggests that scum!Ircher + scum!Fire team is almost impossible.

No, according to the setup the factional kill doesn't act like a normal ability.

[Fire Assassin]

I can't say I would be extremely disapointed in my mislynch, this game might be better without me. Many of the players here are to me unreasonable, loopy, and in general annoying. That isn't to say I am mad, but it would alleviate myself to be out of this game.

2. From skimming, the only character in this game with 2 passives is an agility type.

Not even true.

I do find it odd that Fire was only around today while his wagon was around...

Another not true statement, but I don't see the point in arguing it.

I don't believe Ircher is scum, Dunn is probably town as well as newearth. Yume needs to get replaced. Shiro is null, and Radical I go back and forth on. I'll need to reread Day 1 but rn Fire makes the most sense to me as scum given all the responses today so far.

I don't believe you have given a single reason for what makes me scum tbh. I remember you jumping on me for the supposed guilty wagon, but nothing so much as a scumread.

[Fire Assassin]

It's mostly gut, Fire, and has to do with a certain ongoing. You're always paranoid of me and when you're not, you're scum.

Huh.....this actually makes me think my scumread (Yes, I was scumreading you but I didn't mention it) might be off....but it affects other things I am thinking about you.

I am actually worried about you, but that post sounded almost reasonable? I hugely against this if your only reason is meta based, but I can see where that state of mind is coming from, though I find it extremely lazy, which has been pretty much you so far this day.

[Fire Assassin]

Screw this playerlist; all the players are currently impossible to read.....

Funny, I think the same of you sometimes.

[Fire Assassin]

who do you scumread Fire?

Masq and Dunnstral

[Fire Assassin]

I'm only asking cuz you haven't articulated your reasons there but have for Masq.

I think him trying to hunt for night actions, which was very apparent was scummy. He was a sheeper on day one in the chat if I remember right, and in the PT he mostly just agreed with TNE and didn't have his thoughts, though now he has his own its based on night actions alone basically. He doesn't seem to be scum hunting, he seems to be more role hunting. Which is scummy.

[Fire Assassin]

Basically waiting on yume replacement.

[Fire Assassin]

@Fire: I still have a hard time reading you, and finally we can talk about it but your scumflip in To love and be loved made me more paranoid of you here. The only thing that made me doubt my townread on you in that game was that you had me as a top townread without any kind of paranoia. I asked you several times and you ignored me.
This time you respond, but I can't tell if that is because you're town this time or if it's because you realize ignoring me again will basically make you confscum to me. Anyway, you can have a little more time because rn I'm scumreading Rat more.

I don't know what to think of this:
1) you are using meta on another game i have played. Kind of don't like it, but I guess I have been minor using it on you, so fair?
2) Yes, I did buddy you that game but I have talked to you very little this game. Now would I buddy you or call you scum if I am scum? I don't know, but likely would still call a meta case bad regardless of alignment.
3) Do you have any reasons outside of meta to read me as either alignment? Cause right now, I find arguments as of late by scum to use meta to excuse reads. They explain away details of a read using meta alone to say "You did this in this game and are kind of like this now" but you use it more as fence sitting fashion, I can kind of see it as town, but I need something more practical in this game.

[Fire Assassin]

Welcome, New Yume!

This is pretty rude. Hiplop is no yume.

[Fire Assassin]

Hiiiii

shiro is conftown from this

Shiro always does this though.
And I have been thinking based on a few things, that Shiro is acting very different in this game than some other games. Not going to say scum, theres a thing I am specifically looking for from Shiro.

Shiro, whats your thoughts, I feel like you have been kind of not been poking your thoughts as much since day 1.

[Fire Assassin]

There's actually less here than I thought there was, but also in the pre-game Dunnstral became suspicious of Fire after Fire expressed a scumread on Earth.

I could have sworn there were more posts like the first one I quoted though...
Still, I don't have any better reads.

Its just been dunnstral saying Tne is town without giving any reasons.

[Fire Assassin]

I have like 3-4 players I can't figure out where to place them.
Dunnstral is scum.

Masquerade later posts make me think that I may be wrong about scum there.
I don't know.
Shiro is back in as a possibility as scum since he has been just sitting back and hasn't given much thoughts. It doesn't seem like any game solving is going on his mind.

I think just based on reactions alone to Radical he is town.

Ircher is weird.

[Fire Assassin]

Shiro, thats great, and my inner fire is laughing it up.
Can I get more out of you though? I still feel like you are just coasting by and it bothers me.

[Fire Assassin]

Shiro are you basically townreading everybody?

Town or null.
It's pretty lazy, can't tell if it's scum mosh.

Some things from shiro seem scummy but I can't put it into the words right now. Like I have about two red flags telling me something isn't right

[Fire Assassin]

guys can we kick some activity into this game or?

We could if you start doing something that are readable and than we can discuss those things. Or comment on leading wagons if you like.

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: dunnstral

Good work. Now lets get everyone else on dunnstral.

[Fire Assassin]

more pressure on dunnstral pls.
I would like that lynch today very much so.

[Fire Assassin]

@Masq I am not going to say I am 100% confident in my reads, but I feel more confident about radical being town than you, so it makes me not want to just sheep you on that.
If everyone agrees to follow me on dunnstral tomorrow, I am fine with that.

I think its dunnstral right now, not sure on partner. I would be extremely surprised if it was Radical.

[Fire Assassin]

I am unsure of a ircher lynch right now to be honest.
I would prefer ircher to radical, but this one just getting way more traction...I guess that shouldn't make me nervous, but Ircher reaction to hiplop of frustration of his reads and attitude kind of feel "scummy" in the sense he feels he is pushing against a brick wall and feels like he has superior reasoning for pushing his "reads" but is getting nowhere and can't understand why its not working.

I have felt this attitude before when I tried to push Titus for a mislynch once when my arguments were I felt more solid, and RC just had a gut townread on her that was stronger than my "reasoning"

[Fire Assassin]

seriously if you read irchers 'case' and are convinced by it you should retire from mafia

Ummm stuff like this make me nervous about you hiplop.

[Fire Assassin]

why

if u want to be called mean names in the dead thread by me go ahead lynch me

Because it is not an argument and I feel its more emotionally manipulative of something scum would say vs town would say. But you saying this also makes me think you townread me, want to go into that at all?

[Fire Assassin]

eh fire youre town b/c you got a town role pm?

Why shouldn't I think this is just lazy scum play by you?

[Fire Assassin]

because I fucking love the scum alignmentf

and am undefeated at it this year idk

I kind of want to lynch you just because you are bragging about this, this is exactly something i have seen RC do to my face as scum.

"I am undefeatable as scum, you couldn't catch me if it was scum", then goes to win as scum because I thought those posts were braggy town.

Stop it, or I will shove a lynch down you.

[Fire Assassin]

Its really frustrating for me, because now I just want to lynch Hiplop even though my gut says not to, but its just on seeing some of that crap that just like "get rid of it now".

Ugh, I wish we had more time.

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: Ircher

I hope I am not disappointed by this.

[Fire Assassin]

Masq, Fire --> Reasons you dont support the Hiplop wagon?

Your reasons for wanting a hiplop lynch are basically because he hasn't done anything, yet he just joined the game. What kind of grand expectations do you have for that slot?

Like thats the crux of your argument. He hasn't done much, which is weak.

If hiplop is scum, id much rather lynch him tomorrow instead of today because "he isn't doing anything!".

Like you want two snarky lynches in a row?

[Fire Assassin]

Does anyon want to point out how obviously scummy Dunnstral is?

[Fire Assassin]

Also, 1 last thing @Fire:

My "grand" expectations for Hiplop is to actually play the game and explain some of his reads rather than trying to bandwagon on the largest or most viable wagon at the time.

My grand expectation is for all player to do that, except that isn't how people always play and theres a number of different styles.

[Fire Assassin]

Remember what a person said a page ago about lining up lynches?

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: Dunnstral
This is so much better than Ircher.

[Fire Assassin]

Umm Dunnstral is best wagon.
THe hiplop wagon I agree is shit.

Can you guys hop on Dunnstral pls?
He is obviously looking for any lynch he can grab on and isn't really scumhunting.

[Fire Assassin]

He is obviously looking for any lynch he can grab on and isn't really scumhunting.

Except I tried to flip it to hiplop when I could have hammered Ircher

Am I really "looking for any lynch I can grab on"?

Scum team might be Hiplop and Fire instead of IRcher


Shiro you should reconsider

You flip your reads every fricking post, you can't be this much of a dumbass town.

[Fire Assassin]

If dunnstral is town, consider me out.

[Fire Assassin]

I just want to throw my hands up in the air and quit.
VOTE: Ircher

Seriously, this Ircher wagon is shit, but so is Hiplop.

We should have lynched Dunnstral.

[Fire Assassin]

I am going to point out some obvious facts for you.
Even if hiplop, and this is a big if, hiplop flips scum. How does that help us tomorrow?
No honestly, THERES NEXT TO NOGHITNG IN ASSOCIATIONS WITH THAT SLOT TO ANYONE ELSE.
Am I saying we let it slide by? No, but I don't need another snarky right now.

As much as I think both are town I could be wrong.
I am not going to sit here and pretend my reads are the best, but I don't see a valid reason hiplop is a better lynch when both are terrible.
At least if Ircher flips we can do look into some shit.

[Fire Assassin]

This game is stupid.
I am subbing out if we no lynch.

[Fire Assassin]

had higher expectations of town. And thats saying something

Did you really though?

[Fire Assassin]

I am kind of mad at shiro for that hammer, when I said I wanted a lynch I didn't mean flip hiplop.
>.>

[Fire Assassin]

you literally lynched one of the best scumhunters on site for shitty reasons gj dude

i was trying to attract suspicion to n ot eat a night kill. Pretty obvious what I was doing idiots

Ugh, ego check mate.

[Fire Assassin]

I guess we level up again. Meh.

[Fire Assassin]

Pretty much the only person who would kill Shiro was Ircher, since shiro was only pushing ircher.
Unless of course it was a frame kill.

There might be some similarities between the two...

@Mod since this is MYLO will the effects of say "strength" heroes still be active?

That causes huge issues if it is still in effect today.

[Fire Assassin]

Basically all voting modifiers need to be disabled in LYLO and MYLO becauses they cause severe issues for these games.
For instance if Ircher is scum, we can't lynch him....ever?

4 votes to lynch, and 5 because of strength. Even if we lynch his partner today (assuming he is scum), then tomorrow its 3 votes to lynch but 4 for him.
Literally impossible for him to lose.

[Fire Assassin]

Like I have a personal voting modifer to myself that makes me literally impossible to lynch today.
it will take 6 votes to lynch me if strength (Yes I am strength hero) and my passive are stacked.

So...........

[Fire Assassin]

I'm not even gonna adress snarky though *cough*

What do you want to address?

[Fire Assassin]

@Mod Is this correct: (as in 7 votes in play)

Not Voting (7) : Fire Assassin , Ircher , Radical Rat , thenewearth , Dunnstral , Masquerade

[Fire Assassin]

I am going to have to do a collection of look throughs on the night kills.
SHould do VCA, but I am like not good at that at all, and we have zero scum flips.

The vedith kill mystifies me the most, I think Shiro was unlikely mislynch, so that might be the best reason for killing him in all honesty, it might not be reads.

Anyways, top suspects would be Ircher, Dunnstral, and Masquerade.

I feel fairly confident on TNE and Radical.

[Fire Assassin]

@Mod since this is MYLO will the effects of say "strength" heroes still be active?

Just in case you missed it frozen, thanks!
Since the VC was correct we know that their is extra votes in play, and Radical has one already. Vote modifiers are still there.....just not sure on strength or my passive.

[Fire Assassin]

I'm not even gonna adress snarky though *cough*

What do you want to address?

Since shiro was practically 3 people in 1, Its a safe kill

Snarky is in that 1

3 people in 1 doesn't mean much though?
It kind of means that hiplop and snarky might be on track with reads?
Kind of extra kill to take out hiplop?

I don't know, I don't think snarky reads were valuable, no offense to him.

[Fire Assassin]

Also Ircher-radical

If strength passive for those heroes is still active ircher can't be lynched today if scum.
Which essentially means game is over.

Why do you think its radical? he started this day out with an extra vote on him.
I doubt heavily town would do that, maybe scum ploy for towncred, but that wasn't done by town.

[Fire Assassin]

all the loved modifiers will still function normally.

I guess this confirms ircher as town?

[Fire Assassin]

I just want to confirm this, because if loved mechanics are still holding true.....Ircher nor me can be lynched today without becoming hated or extra votes.

[Fire Assassin]

You might as well claim.
We are in LYLO.

I am Wraith King.

[Fire Assassin]

I mean, it takes 5 votes to lynch Ircher.
It takes 6 t lynch me.

Unless you use some day ability to counteract this? Its impossible to lynch either of us.

[Fire Assassin]

No clue who that hero is.

[Fire Assassin]

What you mean we don't have to conftown anyone? you are making no sense.

[Fire Assassin]

Its just the way you said it though...like you wanted no conf town.
It was just so anti town mindset.

[Fire Assassin]

So ircher can still be lynched meaning, that he can still be scum.
I don't necessarily think I can be lynched? Unless someone else has another voting mechanic (or that other vote I guess is used).

Whoever has that other vote needs to claim it btw, or I am treating that as conf scum.

[Fire Assassin]

I am leaning heavily on Ircher/Dunnstral but I think I am blinded by my own bias.
Everyone needs to claim heroes too.

Go into your night actions as well.
We need to sort this out now.

Popcorn goes to Dunnstral when he gets here.

[Fire Assassin]

Whoever has that other vote needs to claim it btw

I already claimed :/

Ohh I thought that was a separate thing.
Okay.

[Fire Assassin]

Its just the way you said it though...like you wanted no conf town.
It was just so anti town mindset.

I like mod confirmed towns

Not "because we think that's how the setup works" conftown

Ummm if someone is incapable of being lynched by the game. Then they can only be town unless some town kills are in place that can counteract it.

Its not from "thats how the setup works" its thats how it mechanically works?

[Fire Assassin]

tne what are your thoughts on Masquerade?

[Fire Assassin]

The more I think about it, the more I think that scum think they can mislynch radical.
Yesterday Masquerade was pushing him. You also believe he is scum.
So my thught process is that they might think they can easily push a fast mislynch on him.

Its way to risky of a play for scum him to put himself with an extra vote onself when both you and masq think he is scum.


I really really think this is Dunnstral and Ircher

[Fire Assassin]

The only thing that makes me go against that fact was....I have been pushing that for awhile and I am still alive. Why am I here? I guess neither of them fear me enough to go for kill on me?

I kind of think me or you would have been better kills than Shiro....>.>
Ugh this makes my head spin.

[Fire Assassin]

Umm yes, you popcorn first.
how is there any reason to wait on telling us your hero?

[Fire Assassin]

Can anyone yet explain why therees another vote on radical rat? Or should I safely assume that was scum driven?

Also you all are supposed to claim, the longer you do so the more I think you are scum.
Dunnstral, now.

[Fire Assassin]

This doesn't feel right. Theres 3 people voting Ircher right now and 6 alive. 4 town total, and I am not voting.
That means unless its Dunnstral/Ircher or Ircher is being bussed.....this is the wrong choice.

Like this should not make me nervous cause this is what I have been thinking since before...

I am just really nervous at this point.

[Fire Assassin]

I really think a Dunnstral lynch is better at this moment.

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: Ircher

i am pretty sure this confirms that ircher was actually town, and this game is now over.
Gg I guess.

Who was other Dunnstral?

[Fire Assassin]

Scum probably realized that if they don't bus Ircher today they will be autolynched tomorrow. I'm thinking they put that vote on Radical hoping he would be an easy misslynch and planned to bus Ircher as soon as the wagon on him took off. That makes Dunn a likely buddy, newearth and me are possible too. No scum would start off that wagon unless they were already scumread, which sort of works for Radical but I don;t think that's the case here. I think we're right with lynching Ircher.
I also hate his suggestion of no-lynch and it reeks of survival instinct. Not trying to figure things out, only trying to survive mylo and try again tomorrow.

Asking for a no lynchin a MYLO is actually theoritically the best play to make. So thats NAI, but given everyone is on this lynch but myself, that confirms its a scum driven. So game is over unless scum bussed Ircher.

W/e.

[Fire Assassin]

Definitely didn't have me fooled.