Mini 1815: Game of Thrones S1E1 GAME OVER

[Wisdom]

fake like I don't think you ever had the intention of catching him and it feels like you're more going for towncred

[Wisdom]

VOTE: dwlee

[Wisdom]

I can also do smith

[Wisdom]

shh get lynched quietly

[Wisdom]

You caught nothing, that was fake as fuck

[Wisdom]

guys i dont think dwlee's scum here

lol
yeah its so hard to make a readlist with zero reasons, must be town

[Wisdom]

not to mention how hard it is to color votecounts and pretend he did vca

[Wisdom]

scumhunting is easy, you just have to point to a wagon and call people scum for no reason

we're all doing it wrong all this time

[Wisdom]

Kuroi where's your vote

[Wisdom]

no, i meant you and your buddies

[Wisdom]

idk, that argument has me thinking shaddow is scum again. He stretches on word semantics to arrive at the great conclusion I was tunneling him.. which in the end is null.

[Wisdom]

You are you though <3

shaddow knows better

[Wisdom]

what
You just said that my "you" meant singular "you", as in tunneling your slot to eliminate it from the game

[Wisdom]

Yes, Kuroi is a goofball, you aren't

[Wisdom]

anti, this whole thing is bullshit given it was pretty obvious I was calling bullshit on his "we're screwed" implication that he's town

[Wisdom]

I'm definitely less secure about my Heartless vote.

see what I mean? You don't remember who you're voting

[Wisdom]

VOTE: shaddow

[Wisdom]

vca sucks in general

[Wisdom]

yes

it's shaddow and smith

[Wisdom]

you misspelled shaddowez

[Wisdom]

Nobody was scum on this wagon. It happens.

[Wisdom]

I don't care about wagons. VCA sucks.

[Wisdom]

get a lame townread on random too

[Wisdom]

For the third time.

dwlee's first mention of Gork is 461:

Okay, that makes more sense, but I still disagree so whatever. Wanna wagon gork tho?

which comes right after MY first push on Gork which is in 456:

especially since the words "TRY" and "TOO HARD" are literally in the post you quoted.
stop posting without using your brain please.

Gork I find it slightly worrying that you're defending my actions
Usually you'd doubt me like dwlee is doing

THIS
DOESN'T
MEAN
DWLEE
COPIED
YOU

i kind of liked this
Don't you think he would let me tunnel if he's scum?

[Wisdom]

he never does anything more than what he's done here though

[Wisdom]

I don't think that is alignment indicative.

I don't think that is alignment indicative.

Maybe but BBT is right that his gork pushing started the moment I started pushing him, therefore could be opportunistic.

Could be, but I don't think it is.

Those were before anti's

[Wisdom]

it's okay, just vote him

[Wisdom]

kinda
I was pretty convinced it's dwlee/smith at daystart but his behavior is weird if he's scum

[Wisdom]

it's weird that as scum he comes up with that silly excuse though
and then "I'll pretend to do VCA and ignore everything"
idk, I'm not familiar with him but he's quite the yolo scum if he's scum

[Wisdom]

yeah his attitude was basically "yeah i dont care if you guys scumread me, i'll just color vcs and do my thing"

[Wisdom]

like, his push on you is really terrible.
but its like.. why even push that angle if hes scum? there are so many easier routes that he could take to fake a scumread on you.
like, i could see "oh wisdom was trying too hard to appease third wheel and the kill points to wisdom because hes the sort of person who would see through third's gambit" or "im paranoid of wisdom" or something to do with bbt.
him getting caught up on word choice is just.. a weird and ineffective and attention-grabbing thing to do if hes scum here, no?

Isn't that true if he's town too though? Like, if that word thing was so indicative for him, why let it sit there and talk about it two days later? It looks more like he went through my ISO looking for something he could attack

[Wisdom]

Like, his last post just feels like he wants to manipulatively paint me as scummy by pointing out a "contradiction"

[Wisdom]

what TW gambit? We're talking about shaddow there.

[Wisdom]

oh nvm

[Wisdom]

So random, what are your reads?

[Wisdom]

I'm getting the most town vibes fŕom shadow.

Explain this to me.

[Wisdom]

That's pretty generic. What has he done that isn't fakeable?

[Wisdom]

well as of now I can lynch random too. This generic bullshit almost always comes from scum.

[Wisdom]

Like it's Day fucking Three. Have something more concrete than "his posts look genuine".

[Wisdom]

which they fucking don't, btw

[Wisdom]

VOTE: random

[Wisdom]

Man, we're screwed this game

Town sentiment

This proved you just quote random posts without caring about the context.

[Wisdom]

no
Is there a point to that, or are you just trying to swing more mud?

[Wisdom]

gork is there still doubt that shaddow is trying to paint me as scummy after that last post?

[Wisdom]

I mean, he still fails, as there is no question I didn't answer, but yeah

[Wisdom]

tracker + watcher

riight

[Wisdom]

Who did you track N2?

[Wisdom]

he could be mafia tracker

I don't buy town has a tracker on top of everything else

[Wisdom]

But I don't buy a scum tracker because I don't really think this is role madness, with everyone visiting everyone else.

nobody said it's role madness

[Wisdom]

watcher + bodyguard + vig + whatever else we have are not enough for you?

[Wisdom]

yeah it totally doesn't tell them that the guy has a PR

[Wisdom]

4 roles are role madness?

[Wisdom]

bodyguard, watcher, tracker, inno child, some kind of killing role and scum with no ninja? theres also that bbt doing the kill on n1 could potentially mean that all of the rest of scum felt relatively under fire on d1?

shaddow was under fire hint hint

[Wisdom]

good point

[Wisdom]

random is just flailing

[Wisdom]

VOTE: dwlee
L-1

[Wisdom]

okay.
so your thought was "wisdom might be scum because he shot shaddow" while heartless body is sitting over there?
>.>

I don't know who shot who, although I'm thinking Wisdom killed Heartless and then the vig killed Shadowwez because they bought into Wisdom's arguments.
It makes sense to me. Heartless was the innocent child.

So what explaining do I have to do?

[Wisdom]

Also I'm v/la till the 10th

[Wisdom]

VOTE: smith

[Wisdom]

dwlee youre unreadable so when i have no scum reads i keep thinking i was right about you. And then you make me think youre town again.

[Wisdom]

Kuroi youre making no sense. shaddow looked like scum who wanted to paint me as scummy.

[Wisdom]

ok

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if you have smith as null how are you certain about me/dwlee being safe

[Wisdom]

safe to lynch to win

[Wisdom]

k fair enough

[Wisdom]

me too

[Wisdom]

And the only derp I've actually ever done this game was forgetting that Antihero was part of Heartless. Point to me something else I've done. I'm sick of being brushed off to the side. You and Wisdom have done this, and belittling me is really getting annoying.

dude you derp all the time. Dont make me paranoid youre doing it on purpose now

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

goddamn now i think smith is town. All this effort cant be scum, can it?

[Wisdom]

I dont think Gork is scum here

I'm starting to lean Kuroi tbh

[Wisdom]

Wrt flavor, I'm somewhat in favor of a mass claim of "major character" or "not a major character". Major characters being Starks, the king, lannisters, daenerys, etc. Would rather survey opinion on it first though. Does anyone have a solid reason for objecting?

What does this accomplish?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom (5) - KuroiXHF

wat

[Wisdom]

do you think the miscount moment was faked? Or do you think that he, with two teammates, would legitimately forget how many players there are in the game?

The latter most likely. This is not the only game he's in, knowing him he could easily derp for a moment and think this is a micro. Having two teammates is irrelevant.

[Wisdom]

The upside is it locks a wolf into "im a major character" or "I'm not", which slightly restricts his options going forward.

And? They have a fakeclaim anyway.

[Wisdom]

The downside is it might tell scum who the vig is, duh

[Wisdom]

Sure, but if the game doesn't end today and the vig isn't shot, we have a conftown in 3p lylo

[Wisdom]

There's zero upside in claiming anything. Scum have a fakeclaim and they're just going to claim according to that.
There is a downside however small in claiming anything. Scum can take a better guess as to who's the vig is.

It's really simple.

[Wisdom]

and no it's not "presumably". I've been scum in two Radja games and I had fakeclaims.

[Wisdom]

yet you know that and favor smith's bullshit?

[Wisdom]

While with smith's strategy there will be a clear how?

[Wisdom]

Tomorrow, we'll have one of us will say, "I'm the vig!" And then scum will say, "I'm the vig!"

The one remaining will be conftown in this case.

[Wisdom]

So basically if the vig lives to 3p lylo he either 1v1s the scum or is un-CCed and gets to be conftown.

[Wisdom]

Actually, no
The scum can't CC because in that case town can just no-lynch and have the vig shoot him

[Wisdom]

because I think the setup is 9 - 2 - 1 and there is an sk out there but everyone is trying to use association tells

What makes you think SK?

[Wisdom]

so dwlee, what's your stance to smith's proposal now that's clarified?

[Wisdom]

Uh, given scum are white walkers, any non white walker works as a fakeclaim - it's not that hard

[Wisdom]

What scumslip?

[Wisdom]

i dont get it

[Wisdom]

that's not a scumslip

[Wisdom]

but yeah ill prolly vote dwlee anyways

[Wisdom]

dwlee you're not looking for the final scum
fix that

[Wisdom]

dwlee you're not looking for the final scum
fix that

[Wisdom]

VOTE: kuroi

[Wisdom]

do it, we're getting nowhere

[Wisdom]

smith you're making me want to vote you

[Wisdom]

because I have to keep buying you're dumb and I won't be able to for long

[Wisdom]

- Wait, 771 – and I have a hard time deciphering these pronouns – but, if I read this right, you correctly identified Random defending BBT? Am I understanding this right?

no, he was defending dwlee
Which is relatively good argument for dwlee not being scum

[Wisdom]

I really am having trouble why everyone thinks you’re so good

i dont think many people think that

[Wisdom]

Anyone who wants to cc a character that is very obviously in the game

and very obviously outside the range of a reasonable gm-provided fake claim

do so before EOD.

That's bull, the mod provided fakeclaim can be anyone

[Wisdom]

anyhow, as much as an inner voice is telling me to vote smith, i'll be staying on kuroi

[Wisdom]

i dont think random harddefended his buddy

[Wisdom]

What talking?

[Wisdom]

I did

[Wisdom]

i dont think random harddefended his buddy

aka I wont be voting dwlee

if its not you, its smith

[Wisdom]

no, it's poe because its not dwlee and i dont think its gork

[Wisdom]

I definitely don't think it's you.

your paragraph about him seems to suggest you do think it could be him

[Wisdom]

gg

[Wisdom]

you were the scummiest person in the game = the best choice to vig