Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

[farside22]

Why?

I've explained this already.

[farside22]

Titus and Fire Assassin should be bowing out of the hand *glares at them*

If they don't I am saying this is bullshit and Farside should clearly Unvote.

My problem right now is your approach to it.
w/e

Fold

I don't really care about this game at this point, so getting upset with how everyone is playing is pointless.

He tried to fold.

[farside22]

Why?

I've explained this already.

All I can find is that I pushed FAQ while admitting that he might be town.

And you hard pushed RC while saying I probably wasn't scum with RC, so...

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8202800
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8203452

You can add to that you are in no way shape or form trying to figure this game out.

[farside22]

Could this hand wreck infinity's BP if they fail to show and fold?

If you fold and Infinity raises and Fire folds he will get the BP.
If that doesn't happen then you will be out and infinity will be out (if he doesn't show to respond) and the BP does not happen for anyone.

[farside22]

Sorry guys, I'm on vacation but I didn't want to go V/LA because I just did and because I should be able to meet activity requirements (I'm not restricted to mobile like last time).
I will probably be able to post tonight.

(Also I had a dream that we lynched farside and she flipped scum soooo...)

Looks at role pm
Nope that dream is a lie.

I phone post about 90% of the time.
It's not that difficult

[farside22]

Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?

Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.

Shadow has the jk ability.
Fire shots math, infinity checks shadow, shadow jails one of us.
This is just in case of shanigans

[farside22]

@Smart what is your read on the MM slot, do you still think he is town?

Yes. MM's play felt newbtownish at times, I haven't seen anything terrible from Mathblade, and Infinity has been whiteknighting the heck out of the slot the whole game.

Why?

I've explained this already.

All I can find is that I pushed FAQ while admitting that he might be town.

And you hard pushed RC while saying I probably wasn't scum with RC, so...

Whoa there is a huge difference between proposing two potential scum teams and then pushing someone you think might be town. Like how does this compare for you?

What? I'm not comparing anything...

Why?

I've explained this already.

All I can find is that I pushed FAQ while admitting that he might be town.

And you hard pushed RC while saying I probably wasn't scum with RC, so...

Shouldn't you be more concerned about lynching scum instead of self defending.
Lets assume we are wrong.

Lets see what you have basically done in last few pages.
Lurked until a wagon formed on you, then start going into defense mode.

You may have had "scum reads" but you definitely haven't been pushing them that hard. Your motives seem to skate by and now do damage control.

Here's the thing.
I'm appalled that farside tunneled the crap out of RC and then got absolutely no attention when he flipped town.
I shouldn't need to push her.

And btw, I'm pretty disengaged because nobody seems interested in what I have to say, even when it's obvious, and now I'm being wagoned for not interacting because I don't have a quotewall to back up my opinions.

Now Titus needs to fold...

Shadow_step needs to quit derping.
Smart needs to be playing and posting reads.

Logically my gut says Smart is scum. My gut says that he isn't. This is turning way too fast for my liking.

I have posted my reads. Farside and Infinity are scum.

Sorry guys, I'm on vacation but I didn't want to go V/LA because I just did and because I should be able to meet activity requirements (I'm not restricted to mobile like last time).
I will probably be able to post tonight.

(Also I had a dream that we lynched farside and she flipped scum soooo...)

Looks at role pm
Nope that dream is a lie.

Lol, maybe. But either way I'm pretty sure it confirms me as town.
I already said I'm vacationing; I'm currently in Pacific time (I live in Eastern time). That post was made at 7:45 for me, not very long after I woke up.
So to assume I'm scum implies one of three scenarios:

1. I'm scum with farside and the dream was real. That doesn't make sense because if farside were my partner I wouldn't be bussing her.
2. I'm scum, but not with farside, and the dream was real. That doesn't make sense because my subconscious doesn't play Mafia and can't get into a town mindset like that.
3. I'm scum, but not with farside, and the dream was made up. That doesn't make sense because there's no way I'd be able invent something like that that early in the morning, when I'm already tired because of jet lag.

So everyone should unvote me now. (Also take note of how farside immediately believed the dream was real, which feels a lot like a scumslip.)

1) your point is I made a case and player flipped town.
That's a pretty crappy point.
2) my last comment was a joke, thinking I was taking your seriously at all is a stretch

[farside22]

Farside, why are you avoiding my argument for me being confirmed town?

Please quote how you are confirmed town.

[farside22]

Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?

Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.

Shadow has the jk ability.
Fire shots math, infinity checks shadow, shadow jails one of us.
This is just in case of shanigans

Horrible idea because if town is lynched and is town then we lose.
Fire shooting me is not a plan I approve of unless scum is lynched today.

Smart -- That doesn't townfirm you in the slightest. You are saying you can't lie because of jet lag? Lol does that mean everything in my dreams is reality? Furthermore scum chat is a thing. If we used your arums T we'd all be townfirmed and never lynched because "I am so sleepy I can't lie". That is crap.

Yes you did. You compared yourself and Farside.

Your queued action should have been to fold. Instead you called. Damn straight I am pissed.

Out tonight with friends.

Sorry I had a dream where I figured out the entire scum team and redeemed myself for my earlier reads.

[farside22]

I'm trying hard not to laugh at smart about how desperate he is making a joke as a scum tell.

[farside22]

Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?

Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.

Shadow has the jk ability.
Fire shots math, infinity checks shadow, shadow jails one of us.
This is just in case of shanigans

Horrible idea because if town is lynched and is town then we lose.
Fire shooting me is not a plan I approve of unless scum is lynched today.

Smart -- That doesn't townfirm you in the slightest. You are saying you can't lie because of jet lag? Lol does that mean everything in my dreams is reality? Furthermore scum chat is a thing. If we used your arums T we'd all be townfirmed and never lynched because "I am so sleepy I can't lie". That is crap.

Yes you did. You compared yourself and Farside.

Your queued action should have been to fold. Instead you called. Damn straight I am pissed.

Out tonight with friends.

Oh, oh and even funny point on this about math.
You remember when he called fire scum and didn't believe the vig claim.
Yeah that.
Well how about this recent post that shows he believes fire is vig.

I'm out
.

[farside22]

2) my last comment was a joke, thinking I was taking your seriously at all is a stretch

Ok fair enough. But do you think I would fake something like that as scum?

I'm trying hard not to laugh at smart about how desperate he is making a joke as a scum tell.

It's okay, you can laugh. But it's well documented that I get more serious as scum when under pressure.

yes
you were trying to push it as serious.
Just saying.
What do you think of Math's comment.

[farside22]

Lol I don't blame you it's ridiculously long.
Anyway, one problem with that is that we townread each other, but we scumread completely different people.
Do you want to talk to me about why you townread Infinity and farside? (and I can do the same with Fire and Titus.)

As I said before I see multiple potential teams.

The crux of it is, with purchasing powers, giving town two PR roles of 11 players makes town infinitely too powerful. I know I am town so this means one of infinity/Fire have to be scum.

Farside is town through genuine poking and reading the game. If they are scum they deserve kudos or an award. Their posts just ooze town.

Infinity could be pulling an 1800 but Fire is much more likely because of two things:

1) If fire is scum he just advertised the NK no big deal. There is still a game lynch Fire/Titus tomorrow.
2) If fire is town and we mislynch it is game over.

Therefore from my POV fire has to be lynched.

Also don't like how Fire and Titus bolster Farside's vote to try to drag this out.

It could be infinity and Shadowstep but Fire is the best lynch for town.

Pretty much if you believe I am town fire should be the lynch.

You think the vig claim is possible but you want to lynch him.

[farside22]

No offense to everyone here, but I am very done talking right now.
We have talked to death and unless someone has a very convincing case to make to someone else, which I doubt. We should lynch Something_Smart and if flips scum ill shoot Mathblade, if not. Ill reconsider.

Infinity should get his ass in here and be part of this discussion.

[farside22]

If you were town, which you are not. The smart move would be to track infinity regardless. Because he is not going to die and you can confirm for whoever he visited to be accurate.

You could track me but if I am dead you show up as tracking no one, assuming I don't shoot you. Which is really unlikely.
So infinity is guaranteed to get some result you can work off of

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[farside22]

Predictions:
I flip town
Fire shoots Math ANYWAY
Scumteam of farside/Infinity wins

I'm not scum
You've made no points about Infinity on why he is scum and day 2 you thought shadow was scum but said nothing about him day 3.

You both are ridiculous and if math is town we honestly deserve a town lose for the most ridiculous track on wingback.
I don't think that was stressed enough.

Predictions:
Smart flips scum
I shoot math, they flip town
Math actually tried to track me but I died and they don't realize how stupid their tracks are.

I am willing to go through with that regardless

I love how you don't even consider a possibility that I could be scum when you say you are scum reading me. This is beyond ridiculous. Not touching a smart lynch.

He said if.
That's more then you said when I suggested fire shots you.

[farside22]

No offense to everyone here, but I am very done talking right now.
We have talked to death and unless someone has a very convincing case to make to someone else, which I doubt. We should lynch Something_Smart and if flips scum ill shoot Mathblade, if not. Ill reconsider.

I'm not even sure why we are lynching Smart instead of MB.
There is no way to confirm who he tracked or whatever.
He can literally say anything he wants.

Do you think smart is town?
If so why?
Is math your only scum read?

[farside22]

Well if it's only you then shadow could've JKed scum or the kill target but shadow is scum so no.

And I guess the best play is to not announce my investigative target so scum don't know you were working off that, as weird as it sounds

I hope we don't overlap

Why not work it out so that overlapping doesn't happen makes zero sense.

[farside22]

Tracker does nothing if scum know who it's targeting.

Why don't you discuss whom your targeting then?
You won't die.
And since shadow claimed jk what's wrong tracking him to show whether he targets someone else.
Also why are you assuming smart isn't scum?
It's not like he's pushing a good case against anyone.

[farside22]

I'm waiting for someone to give a good reason to be voting for whom they are voting for other then he hasn't shot anyone. Or X is still alive after claiming or X pushed a case on town therefore X is scum.

[farside22]

Fire is scum because his read progressions don't make sense, and he doesn't seem to have reasons to back them up.

Shadow is scum because he's been active lurking, opportunistically voted RC and RC was the counterwagon to him.

People vote the opposing wagon often that NAI.
If you thought that then mm should have been a scum read.
Lurking I can't disagree with.
As for fire I recalled he thought math was scum because the meta debate, I'd say ask him why he is voting smart.

Fire: why are you voting for smart?

[farside22]

I think Titus, Shadow_step and Mathblade are town.

Fire, can you promise me that you'll shoot in <farside, Infinity> tonight?

Honestly I'd prefer you shoot Infinity. Since I'm flipping town his cop result won't be valid anyway because it will be LYLO.

Also I recommend that Mathblade tracks Shadow to make sure he can't interfere with Fire's shot, if it in fact exists.

Shooting infinity fails unless scum also shoot him.

Infinity should get the cop check?

Oh crap Infinity is bulletproof isn't he.

Okay,
VOTE: NL

What is this game I can't even.

I kind of want to just find a strong townread and sheep them, but my strongest townread is Titus (who's voting me ) and I'm even having doubts about that slot.

The good news is that there's probably only 2 scum given that no quickhammer has occurred. And I'm still somewhat confident that farside is scum (or at least needs pressure), so:

VOTE: farside

What do people think about my points against MM/FA? I thought they were pretty noteworthy but people seem to just be ignoring them.

I think I understand the BBT kill. It strikes me as kind of a "don't rock the boat" kill, to eliminate a strong player who hadn't really contributed much this far.
It reminds me of the droog kill in this game.
And I think what it suggests is that town's collective reads are way off, as they were in that game. I'm very disappointed that my MM/FA theory didn't end up being true, and I think that flip means that MM is town too. I definitely want to take a closer look at farside once again.

@Shadow: if only one person wins a hand in any given day, they will be bulletproof the following night. That's the mechanic that Fire wants to (ab)use by throwing hands to townreads.

Were you scum reading MM based on their interactions only or anything else?

It was mostly interactions. I am terrible at reading newbies, so I was really hesitant to commit to a strong read on him.

I'm waiting for someone to give a good reason to be voting for whom they are voting for other then he hasn't shot anyone. Or X is still alive after claiming or X pushed a case on town therefore X is scum.

The person I am voting hasn't shot anyone yet, is somehow still alive despite getting no pressure the whole game, and hasn't pushed any reasonable wagons the whole game.

Yeah your vote makes total sense.

[farside22]

I'm also going to point out fire had pressure day 1.
Infinity is alive and claimed cop so why is that not just as suspect for a cop to be alive this game?

[farside22]

Well from his POV, if Fire is going to shoot him tonight if he is in fact real, mislynching a not-Fire player (coughcoughME) would be game over.
I guess a possibility is to no-lynch, have Fire shoot Math and have Math track Shadow, if Fire is dead-set on shooting Math.

I think Titus, Shadow_step and Mathblade are town.

Fire, can you promise me that you'll shoot in <farside, Infinity> tonight?

Honestly I'd prefer you shoot Infinity. Since I'm flipping town his cop result won't be valid anyway because it will be LYLO.

Also I recommend that Mathblade tracks Shadow to make sure he can't interfere with Fire's shot, if it in fact exists.

Predictions:
I flip town
Fire shoots Math ANYWAY
Scumteam of farside/Infinity wins

And in case smart is taking about fire there, let's bring in the big fat elephant in the room that shows smart believes fire claim

[farside22]

I'm also going to point out fire had pressure day 1.
Infinity is alive and claimed cop so why is that not just as suspect for a cop to be alive this game?

This has been a point of mine all day.
Infinity was claimed cop.
Fire claimed vig.
MM outed as tracker.

Why was a VT shot?

I'm not lynching either claimed ability.
Just to be clear and I think scum would fear the vig more if real.

[farside22]

Yeah your vote makes total sense.

Do you not see the reasoning behind it?

If you think Fire is scum, why wouldn't you go along with it?

Also I thought you were scumreading me for associations with Math, is that still the case?

Again that's sarcasm, which is clear based on what I presented against you.

[farside22]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

mathblade:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

2 days and I'm not switching.
If someone doesn't hammer by day end, Fire shot tonight and use your vig ability.
Since both Infinity and math don't see the town reason on how we clear a bunch of fucking players by coordinating I don't care if you shot math at this point.

[farside22]

Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.

And I don't trust you or Math so.....
Again do you know Smart is town, because so far no action or comments he made today match up at all.
As I pointed out.

[farside22]

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

[farside22]

Farside I agree a tracker is used to confirm or condemn someone.
However if I publically agree with your theory on shadow then shadow jailkeeps me nothing is learned except shadow jailkept me. This is especially damaging if scum have a roleblocker and frame Shadowstep. (This is assuming Shadowstep is telling the truth about JK buy)

If I publically agree to track fire then fire as scum kills me. Fire as town may be killing me anyway. So confirming or denying here only forces the kill on me.

If I publically announce I am tracking infinity then this gives Fire and Infinity a free pass to not do as their claims have indicated. (E.g. Infinity cops the person who mysteriously dies...fire shoots me. In this scenario nothing is learned except my town flip.)

It isn't that I don't want to coordinate. I just can't publically agree to any of them else it is useless. I already hinted I'd probably track within those three. I am not saying I won't do it. I am just not saying j will.

You're joking right?
If you want to track Infinity I won't object but that doesn't stop the I was rb crap he could pull if he lies

^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.

You're concerned why again?

Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.

Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.

Yeah your vote makes total sense.

Do you not see the reasoning behind it?

If you think Fire is scum, why wouldn't you go along with it?

Also I thought you were scumreading me for associations with Math, is that still the case?

Again that's sarcasm, which is clear based on what I presented against you.

Yes, I realize it's sarcasm. You don't see why it makes sense. Would you like me to explain why it makes sense?

And do you think Fire is scum or don't you?

@Shadow: why do you think I'm scum?

Pedit: Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?

No its don't see fire scum I explained that.
Your accusing fire of being scum while advocating a no lynch and clearly as I showed believing the claim from fire.

[farside22]

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

I'm basically sheeping you until I get data.

Is what i suggested flawed.

Fire shots math
Infinity cops shadow
Math tracks Shadow.
Shadow jk either you or me.

This forces scum to either no kill if Fire is town and math is town
Scum to shot someone that is being scum read but is town
For this plan to fail is if Fire and Shadow are scum together which no one has explained that association

[farside22]

Well, it makes it so town-Fire has no reason not to shoot. So either Fire shoots and is confirmed, and the game continues even if he misses, or he doesn't and is confirmed scum.

I don't see you, fire, and whoever fire shoots all as town.

I'm willing to risk that for narrowing the lynch pool.

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

I'm basically sheeping you until I get data.

Is what i suggested flawed.

Fire shots math
Infinity cops shadow
Math tracks Shadow.
Shadow jk either you or me.

This forces scum to either no kill if Fire is town and math is town
Scum to shot someone that is being scum read but is town

I really don't want shadow to JK, then there's an explanation for only 1 kill.

If we annouce we're tracking him, his buddy can just do the kill

For this plan to fail is if Fire and Shadow are scum together which no one has explained that association

You will have to do some hard conviencing that smart is town because right now I don't see why scum Shadow wouldn't just fucking hammer at this point.

How about fire voting shadow for weak reasons yesterday and not touching the slot today?

There doesn't even need to be an association. Everyone else is towny enough and they're scummy enough.

[farside22]

Sorry my post got in that quote.


You will have to do some hard conviencing that smart is town because right now I don't see why scum Shadow wouldn't just fucking hammer at this point.

[farside22]

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

I'm basically sheeping you until I get data.

Is what i suggested flawed.

Fire shots math
Infinity cops shadow
Math tracks Shadow.
Shadow jk either you or me.

This forces scum to either no kill if Fire is town and math is town
Scum to shot someone that is being scum read but is town
For this plan to fail is if Fire and Shadow are scum together which no one has explained that association

I do not see a flaw.

Bahhh! My queen.

I see a flaw if math is town.
I see a flaw if shadow is scum.
But I'm blinded by the fact that smart has summed up a case as lol scum make lynches happen. If that is town I don't want to come back to playing mafia ever again.

By the by on a completely unrelated note, does anyone want a kitten. I would like to hurt them (not seriously) since they keep messing with my computer when I'm on it.
On a serious level here they love me and want attention.
Sigh

[farside22]

You will have to do some hard conviencing that smart is town because right now I don't see why scum Shadow wouldn't just fucking hammer at this point.

Scum shadow figures if he makes one more opportunistic as fuck vote, maybe people will start thinking he's scum

Your case of "smart has no case" is almost as bad as smart's non-case itself. He hasn't been putting as much effort into the game since d1, that doesn't mean he's scum.

I said more then that about smart.

[farside22]

You said you didn't like how he was calling you scum for pushing a mislynch on RC, though I disagree it's NAI.

Everything else is basically related to the fact that he didn't do much since d1, which is also NAI.

I'm not seeing it.

*cough BS cough*

[farside22]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

mathblade:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

Tick rock someone better hammer before the cloak run out.

[farside22]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

mathblade:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

Tick rock someone better hammer before the cloak run out.

You could join me on Fire. We have a day. Again what is up with deadline pushes so far from deadline?

@Titus sheeping farside is not reads...Where is Tunnely speak her mind Titus? This is weird.

I'm not voting fire.
The case sucks ass.
I'm sure scum are more scared of him.

Nothing so far has been said to convince me fire is scum.

[farside22]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

mathblade:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

Tick rock someone better hammer before the cloak run out.

You could join me on Fire. We have a day. Again what is up with deadline pushes so far from deadline?

@Titus sheeping farside is not reads...Where is Tunnely speak her mind Titus? This is weird.

I'm expecting scum won't hammer there scum buddy at this point.
So I'll throw that clock up to remind players of how much time is left so no excuse can be made about not hammering.

Why do you want to drag the day out?

[farside22]

Because the "case" against smart is non existent.
I have seen one point that isn't "smart is lurking let's policy lynch"
On the other hand I have demonstrated where multiple theories emerge.

I will hammer at end of day to prevent no lynch but IMHO Fire or Titus are better lynch candidates.

Whatever is going on with Titus is not normal Titus.

My points are more then this, I'm not going to repeat them.

No lynch is stupid. All it does is end in my death and then day starts over again tomorrow and people have to figure out if Fire is truth telling or not.

Infinity - If you believe I am town please cop Farside tonight. Their reads are terribad and without reason and leaves open the possibility of Farside/smart especially with the scum won't hammer post. If Farside is confirmed town having them decide the game IMO is best. If they are confirmed scum can duke it out.

Farside -- Same thing here. Smart's reads sketch me out on one of the two of you or Infinity being scum. This feels like 1800 something is very very wrong.

@Titus -- Correction. Using brain is town. Letting chips fall where they may is bad. How can you not see this?

Going from town reading to scum reading me, wow totally didn't see that coming.

[farside22]

Someone can explain why smart whom isn't even remotely looking like he's not trying to figure this game out reads town.
I'm also leaning infinity/smart scum team and would switch to Infinity if necessary.

[farside22]

Fire: if no one hammers please use your vig shot.
Shadow: use jk on someone your scum reading, do this if no one hammers.

Mod said nothing in the rules about a lynch not occuring.

[farside22]

I bought the day Neighborize.
I'm going to chat with Titus for a bit to see where her head is at before I comment here.
I'm pretty certain I have the correct scum read in this game. I just need to get one thing settled before I comment.

[farside22]

Just so much wow in this game.

Don't worry.

I bought the day Neighborize.
I'm going to chat with Titus for a bit to see where her head is at before I comment here.
I'm pretty certain I have the correct scum read in this game. I just need to get one thing settled before I comment.

Great. Sync me up.

I've been behind.

Waiting on mod to get it going.

[farside22]

Don't worry.

Why shouldn't I worry? I have failed to read every single player that has flipped.

Scum: smart and math.
Rest flipped town

[farside22]

Well I think Infinity is scum.
I was trying to talk a bit to Titus about this because of how lane was to make sure I wasn't crazy but Infinity's comment are so obvious scum it hurts.

[farside22]

Anyone have any doubts about Infinity as scum?

[farside22]

Oh I read the role pm from smart as scum
:headsmack:

[farside22]

Well I think Infinity is scum.
I was trying to talk a bit to Titus about this because of how lane was to make sure I wasn't crazy but Infinity's comment are so obvious scum it hurts.

You have been wrong various points in the game.
Tell me why I shouldn't be thinking you are scum?

I had good intentions this game.

Why did you shot math? I thought you said you'd think about it depending on smart flip

[farside22]

I've decided the mod is fucking with me and smart was actually scum.
Groans.

Idc at this point.

[farside22]

Fire: why did you shot math?

[farside22]

I didn't, I lied about being a 1 shot vigi, and threatened players in order to see if scum would NK me based on who I was suggesting to NK.
I shot nobody, I never had a gun.

My bad.

You know the number if times I defended you for that claim.

[farside22]

I didn't, I lied about being a 1 shot vigi, and threatened players in order to see if scum would NK me based on who I was suggesting to NK.
I shot nobody, I never had a gun.

My bad.

You know the number if times I defended you for that claim.

Yeah, and you believing it so much made me question if you knew i was town, so thought there was no reason for me to lie.
It made me go back and forth on my read on you.

[farside22]

Why do you think Infinity is scum fire?
Don't you think shadow could be lying?

[farside22]

I think discussing our scum reads are best.
Titus where do you stand with reads currently?

[farside22]

Is it lylo?

How many scum do you think are in this game?

fold

[farside22]

Infinity: are your scum reads poe

[farside22]

Oh whoops

You even listed 2 players as scum at the start.


My reads this game have been so wrong.
I just don't know if I should think this through any more.

[farside22]

I'm thinking shadow is the correct lynch.

[farside22]

Based on my town reads I'm thinking shadow/Titus.
I think fires comment about infinity claim was interesting but the paranoid person ask, why not mention this thought much earlier in the game.

[farside22]

So would you be willing to lynch shadow today?

PEdit: Yeah but I don't want to risk anything. Also how 9:2 mountainous as balanced even with the poker abilities??

I'm still thinking things through.

[farside22]

I assumed it was lylo I just didn't see it in the mod's post lol

Why am I scum

You are scum because your claim is probably 100% fake.
You also claimed roleblock but then you don't vote the person who had a jailkeep.

This is why fire is a town read.

Ugh

Slaps self

[farside22]

I'm going to sleep on things.
I'm off Thursday and Friday this week so I'll put time to review each player then.

[farside22]

Couple things.
Did Titus just vote me?

*writes up official rant note against lane for post game*

Ignore rage

I want to post something I noted and I need a computer.
24 hours is all I need.

[farside22]

I took a few deep breathe's and got to my computer.
My initial thought was titus has got to be scum and then I said, whoa girl, you have gone off too many times this game to keep this happening.

So the break down that I see

Titus/infinity
Titus/Shadow
Shadow/Fire
Titus/Fire
Infinity/fire
Shadow/Infinity

I'm going to compare each one and start talking things out on each and what I see and noted.

[farside22]

Started with Shadow/Infinity
A couple of big fat questions marks on you too.

Shadow: You thought Infinity scum slipped day 3 in regards to him saying scum had no RB.
Now you think there could be a scum RB, can you explain why this change?

Infinity: You had a scum read on Shadow on day 2, but after the RC wagon flipped town you didn't really go back to that scum read and instead focus on Fire, I'm wondering what happened with your read on Shadow and why no push on him after?

[farside22]

I'm going to ask that someone else question titus, I feel if I do I will go into rage mode currently and I would rather avoid that.

[farside22]

Ok I looked at RC's recent posts again, and some of them were really towny. The frustration about s_s not seeing the explanation for the persivul reads looks very town to me, and so does his frustration over MoI tunneling him. RC could definitely still be scum, but I'm starting to get the feeling that the way he's playing is more playstyle than anything.

I wanna see what s_s has to say because I really liked his thoughts so far and this game is starting to confuse me cause I have way too many townreads.

Still think faq2 is scum though.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: faq2

Loving how Infinity just calls me scum without presenting a case of any sort.

Rc is scum, we lynch him and fire can shoot mm.

I'm down with this actually

VOTE: RC

Fire: During day 1 there was a wagon on you.

FA_Q2 (5): Wingback, farside22, Something_Smart, RedCoyote, Fire Assassin [L-1!]
Fire Assassin (5): The MM, lane0168, FA_Q2, BlueBloodedToffee, Infinity 324 [L-1!]

Did you ever analysis this wagon? If not, what are your thoughts on those that voted you during that time, see those who flipped currently and in retrospect?

[farside22]

Sorry the first 2 quotes was something that caught my attention with shadow and ininity.

[farside22]

This game was long over with Mathblade tracking a confirm town.

farside needs to trust her gut

Sigh.

I'm so glad this game is over.
I don't ev3n understand why Titus voted me at this point.
I'm glad I don't have to try to understand.

[farside22]

I will say I was only sure fire was town.
Glad I was right about that.

[farside22]

Oh yeah, I'll need the scum players and all neighbors to PM me saying it's ok to release those PTs.

Good ahead.

Shadow why'd you kill BBT? (I was away when he made the decision). I would've killed farside probably

I'd been a lot happy had that happened

I can't believe anyone scum read me this game
I mean seriously.