Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

[farside22]

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

[MathBlade]

Farside I agree a tracker is used to confirm or condemn someone.
However if I publically agree with your theory on shadow then shadow jailkeeps me nothing is learned except shadow jailkept me. This is especially damaging if scum have a roleblocker and frame Shadowstep. (This is assuming Shadowstep is telling the truth about JK buy)

If I publically agree to track fire then fire as scum kills me. Fire as town may be killing me anyway. So confirming or denying here only forces the kill on me.

If I publically announce I am tracking infinity then this gives Fire and Infinity a free pass to not do as their claims have indicated. (E.g. Infinity cops the person who mysteriously dies...fire shoots me. In this scenario nothing is learned except my town flip.)

It isn't that I don't want to coordinate. I just can't publically agree to any of them else it is useless. I already hinted I'd probably track within those three. I am not saying I won't do it. I am just not saying j will.

[MathBlade]

I also do wonder why the hell Titus has been so goddamn silent.

Calling my sister...where is your setup spec? You love this shit.

[Infinity 324]

^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.

[MathBlade]

^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.

How do you know scum don't have a roleblocker?

[Something_Smart]

Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.

Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.

Yeah your vote makes total sense.

Do you not see the reasoning behind it?

If you think Fire is scum, why wouldn't you go along with it?

Also I thought you were scumreading me for associations with Math, is that still the case?

Again that's sarcasm, which is clear based on what I presented against you.

Yes, I realize it's sarcasm. You don't see why it makes sense. Would you like me to explain why it makes sense?

And do you think Fire is scum or don't you?

@Shadow: why do you think I'm scum?

Pedit: Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?

[MathBlade]

Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.

Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.

Yeah your vote makes total sense.

Do you not see the reasoning behind it?

If you think Fire is scum, why wouldn't you go along with it?

Also I thought you were scumreading me for associations with Math, is that still the case?

Again that's sarcasm, which is clear based on what I presented against you.

Yes, I realize it's sarcasm. You don't see why it makes sense. Would you like me to explain why it makes sense?

And do you think Fire is scum or don't you?

@Shadow: why do you think I'm scum?

Pedit: Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?

This only works if Shadow doesn't know I might track him. Otherwise scum adjust.

Again it isn't that there isn't logic behind what you are saying. It is that agreeing or disagreeing provides counters.

[Shadow_step]

^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.

lololol

scum slip

VOTE: Infinity

[Infinity 324]

^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.

How do you know scum don't have a roleblocker?

Even with 2 PRs it wouldn't make much sense, with 1 just no. There's just not enough town for for an RB to be necessary/useful.

Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.

Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.

True

I'd rather have 2 different results that are less reliable than one that is very reliable imo.

Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?

If fire is town, it keeps us in odds...I just don't see fire as town.

Am I missing something?

PEdit: wtf shadow? You think rb makes sense in this setup?

[Shadow_step]

PEdit: wtf shadow? You think rb makes sense in this setup?

The way you said it, seemed like you know exactly what they have.

"Scum don't have a roleblocker."

[Infinity 324]

I don't know what scum have. I know roleblocker doesn't make sense. With 3 strong power roles it makes sense. Even if fire is somehow telling the truth, roleblocker wouldn't make sense in this setup.

[Infinity 324]

That was waaay to quick of a jump for someone who thought I was dumb town before

something something read progressions something something

[MathBlade]

^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.

How do you know scum don't have a roleblocker?

Even with 2 PRs it wouldn't make much sense, with 1 just no. There's just not enough town for for an RB to be necessary/useful.

Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.

Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.

True

I'd rather have 2 different results that are less reliable than one that is very reliable imo.

Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?

If fire is town, it keeps us in odds...I just don't see fire as town.

Am I missing something?

PEdit: wtf shadow? You think rb makes sense in this setup?

Assuming you and fire are telling the truth (which I still maintain is a stretch) a scum roleblocker would almost be needed to counter that power especially since town can buy. Assuming town wins the first pot -- Since person who buys is BP unless scum hit one of those PRs it turns into a 3 PR v scum situation. I don't see without some kind of balance scum not getting pwned. Roleblocker or some awesome scum PR would be required.

Me plus one PR isn't bad because then it ends up at two after N1. This is a lot more reasonable.

[MathBlade]

I don't know what scum have. I know roleblocker doesn't make sense. With 3 strong power roles it makes sense. Even if fire is somehow telling the truth, roleblocker wouldn't make sense in this setup.

Cop, vig, tracker. Mind telling me which of these isn't "strong"

[MathBlade]

Oh and Jailkeeper from shadow step. Forgot that in the list.

Off to work I go.

[Infinity 324]

I don't know what scum have. I know roleblocker doesn't make sense. With 3 strong power roles it makes sense. Even if fire is somehow telling the truth, roleblocker wouldn't make sense in this setup.

Cop, vig, tracker. Mind telling me which of these isn't "strong"

I didn't really take into consideration the poker abilities, but tbh that makes it even less likely there is a roleblocker.

If there was an rb, that would directly counter whenever anyone got a poker ability, making them useless for town. And scum could still NK whoever they wanted. Then of course, the other power roles would be safe, but good luck finding them and catching them on the right night.

Plus scum can get the abilities too, so that kind of balances things.

[Something_Smart]

^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.

How do you know scum don't have a roleblocker?

Even with 2 PRs it wouldn't make much sense, with 1 just no. There's just not enough town for for an RB to be necessary/useful.

Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.

Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.

True

I'd rather have 2 different results that are less reliable than one that is very reliable imo.

Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?

If fire is town, it keeps us in odds...I just don't see fire as town.

Am I missing something?

PEdit: wtf shadow? You think rb makes sense in this setup?

Well, it makes it so town-Fire has no reason not to shoot. So either Fire shoots and is confirmed, and the game continues even if he misses, or he doesn't and is confirmed scum.

And btw I think one reliable result is more valuable than two less reliable ones.

[Titus]

Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?

Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.

@Mathblade

[Titus]

I'm also going to point out fire had pressure day 1.
Infinity is alive and claimed cop so why is that not just as suspect for a cop to be alive this game?

This has been a point of mine all day.
Infinity was claimed cop.
Fire claimed vig.
MM outed as tracker.

Why was a VT shot?

Check the VTs reads.

[Titus]

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

I'm basically sheeping you until I get data.

[farside22]

Farside I agree a tracker is used to confirm or condemn someone.
However if I publically agree with your theory on shadow then shadow jailkeeps me nothing is learned except shadow jailkept me. This is especially damaging if scum have a roleblocker and frame Shadowstep. (This is assuming Shadowstep is telling the truth about JK buy)

If I publically agree to track fire then fire as scum kills me. Fire as town may be killing me anyway. So confirming or denying here only forces the kill on me.

If I publically announce I am tracking infinity then this gives Fire and Infinity a free pass to not do as their claims have indicated. (E.g. Infinity cops the person who mysteriously dies...fire shoots me. In this scenario nothing is learned except my town flip.)

It isn't that I don't want to coordinate. I just can't publically agree to any of them else it is useless. I already hinted I'd probably track within those three. I am not saying I won't do it. I am just not saying j will.

You're joking right?
If you want to track Infinity I won't object but that doesn't stop the I was rb crap he could pull if he lies

^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.

You're concerned why again?

Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.

Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.

Yeah your vote makes total sense.

Do you not see the reasoning behind it?

If you think Fire is scum, why wouldn't you go along with it?

Also I thought you were scumreading me for associations with Math, is that still the case?

Again that's sarcasm, which is clear based on what I presented against you.

Yes, I realize it's sarcasm. You don't see why it makes sense. Would you like me to explain why it makes sense?

And do you think Fire is scum or don't you?

@Shadow: why do you think I'm scum?

Pedit: Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?

No its don't see fire scum I explained that.
Your accusing fire of being scum while advocating a no lynch and clearly as I showed believing the claim from fire.

[farside22]

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

I'm basically sheeping you until I get data.

Is what i suggested flawed.

Fire shots math
Infinity cops shadow
Math tracks Shadow.
Shadow jk either you or me.

This forces scum to either no kill if Fire is town and math is town
Scum to shot someone that is being scum read but is town
For this plan to fail is if Fire and Shadow are scum together which no one has explained that association

[Infinity 324]

Well, it makes it so town-Fire has no reason not to shoot. So either Fire shoots and is confirmed, and the game continues even if he misses, or he doesn't and is confirmed scum.

I don't see you, fire, and whoever fire shoots all as town.

I'm willing to risk that for narrowing the lynch pool.

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

I'm basically sheeping you until I get data.

Is what i suggested flawed.

Fire shots math
Infinity cops shadow
Math tracks Shadow.
Shadow jk either you or me.

This forces scum to either no kill if Fire is town and math is town
Scum to shot someone that is being scum read but is town

I really don't want shadow to JK, then there's an explanation for only 1 kill.

If we annouce we're tracking him, his buddy can just do the kill

For this plan to fail is if Fire and Shadow are scum together which no one has explained that association

How about fire voting shadow for weak reasons yesterday and not touching the slot today?

There doesn't even need to be an association. Everyone else is towny enough and they're scummy enough.

[Alchemist21]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

infinity:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

[Titus]

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

I'm basically sheeping you until I get data.

Is what i suggested flawed.

Fire shots math
Infinity cops shadow
Math tracks Shadow.
Shadow jk either you or me.

This forces scum to either no kill if Fire is town and math is town
Scum to shot someone that is being scum read but is town
For this plan to fail is if Fire and Shadow are scum together which no one has explained that association

I do not see a flaw.

Bahhh! My queen.