Mini 1834: Biker Wars: Blood in the Streets (Game over!)

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Counter wagon! Page 1

VOTE: eagersnake

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I hate town lists day 1, knock it off.


UNVOTE:

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"maybe it's playstyle"

Maybe it's Maybelline!

I see that, but I also have liked his posts this far.

Which ones?

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Aristophenes is town
Parama is town
Snake is town
Snarky is town

I'm mostly doing this to annoy CKD

you win.

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VOTE: Aristophanes

I got a feeling. no big waves, staying low, and trying to make friends.

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And my vote stands since Parama just asked a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask.
I mean do I really need to define bantering?
No.
My question about grey was again to see if Parama thought grey was doing anything or had a view there on just her blanket comments.

i mean, i decisively responded to the other questions in that post already.

let me just point out the hypocrisy of yelling at me to answer questions, then ignoring all the questions i have in return by dismissing them as "a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask" (i know what you're trying to say here but this sentence doesn't parse well either???)

yeah. ok. if that's the game you wanna play.

VOTE: farside22

done wasting my time with scum, alright

just answer them again.

please repost what question you asked her that she didnt answer.

everybody wins.

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We have to bury Parama.

Vote: Parama

why?

I am not sure I disagree, but would love to know why you think so.

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Also ckd is on my scum list and I glazed through reading the rest of this page.

well now that just hurts.

but lets explore that a bit.

And my vote stands since Parama just asked a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask.
I mean do I really need to define bantering?
No.
My question about grey was again to see if Parama thought grey was doing anything or had a view there on just her blanket comments.

i mean, i decisively responded to the other questions in that post already.

let me just point out the hypocrisy of yelling at me to answer questions, then ignoring all the questions i have in return by dismissing them as "a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask" (i know what you're trying to say here but this sentence doesn't parse well either???)

yeah. ok. if that's the game you wanna play.

VOTE: farside22

done wasting my time with scum, alright

just answer them again.

please repost what question you asked her that she didnt answer.

everybody wins.

now you left yourself an out by saying you "glazed" the post. but what about this post makes you think..."gee that CKD must be scum". Both you guys are saying that the other isnt answering question..I want to see who really believes it....

also....funny you didnt do what I asked...so do you really think he isnt answering questions?

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i don't like him voting artisto for "trying to lay low" when he's pretty much doing the same thing.
"trying to lay low" is not really an accusation that has any ground to stand on less than 24 hours after gamestart anyways
i don't have any other thoughts at the moment.

thats interesting...is that the only reason I am voting him?

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hmm

PARAMA and FARSIDE!!!

both you guys complained the other isnt answering each other questions.

when I asked both of you to post said questions again, neither did it.

surely this isnt just theater..

you think each other are scum for doing it? prove it.

which questions did farside/parama not answer?

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also yes that looks like the only reason you're voting aristo.
aside from "making friends" which is... not a reason at all tbh
maybe that's not your full reason, but I'm not psychic so I can't tell

"making friends" isnt a reason? huh...this isnt something you see scum doing a lot in your games? thats my MAIN reason I am voting him (at this point in Day 1)

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you misunderstand.
I don't particularly care if farside answers all my questions.
I do however care when she demands of me to do it then doesn't do the same in return. cause that's hypocrisy.

VOTE: farside22

done wasting my time with scum, alright

so you dont care that scum answers your questions? if I thought someone was scum for this reason, I would be pressing them on getting the answers.

so do you really think farside is scum or was this just "fuck you" vote?

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lol,

And Parama continues with dodging.
Fun.

lead by example, address this please

Also ckd is on my scum list and I glazed through reading the rest of this page.

well now that just hurts.

but lets explore that a bit.

And my vote stands since Parama just asked a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask.
I mean do I really need to define bantering?
No.
My question about grey was again to see if Parama thought grey was doing anything or had a view there on just her blanket comments.

i mean, i decisively responded to the other questions in that post already.

let me just point out the hypocrisy of yelling at me to answer questions, then ignoring all the questions i have in return by dismissing them as "a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask" (i know what you're trying to say here but this sentence doesn't parse well either???)

yeah. ok. if that's the game you wanna play.

VOTE: farside22

done wasting my time with scum, alright

just answer them again.

please repost what question you asked her that she didnt answer.

everybody wins.

now you left yourself an out by saying you "glazed" the post. but what about this post makes you think..."gee that CKD must be scum". Both you guys are saying that the other isnt answering question..I want to see who really believes it....

also....funny you didnt do what I asked...so do you really think he isnt answering questions?

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also

UNVOTE:

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@Untrod Tripod:

I'm willing to proxy my vote to you for D1, just tell me where to place it.

I also hate this bullshit too...own your own vote.

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What is your read on Untrod Tripod, CKD?

none..his avatar is annoying (recently changed), but that is neither here nor there

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you misunderstand.
I don't particularly care if farside answers all my questions.
I do however care when she demands of me to do it then doesn't do the same in return. cause that's hypocrisy.

I did respond to your questions.

Ckd: I'm reading from 1 page to the next. It's just easier from me to do via phone.
The questions I asked where here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8365425
If you look post 90 post
He clearly saw one question at the end but not the other 2 I asked in the same post.
That is also were he asked his question.
Which I responded to and he keeps acting like I didnt.
Which I responded http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8365641 that post.

okay...and the rest of my post?

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@Untrod Tripod:

I'm willing to proxy my vote to you for D1, just tell me where to place it.

no one man should have this much power

but no, you have to have your own opinions

But, if I think you're town, how could making you a pseudo-DV be a bad thing?

it is day 1...who knows who is what. if he "takes" your vote, you dont have a voting history...your fall back is.."well I gave it to X"

if you really wanted UT to take your vote, why not just sheep his vote? I dont like any of the fuckery.

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CKD I actually remember reading games of yours in like 2008, nice to see you're still playing here. A lot of the people from back then have gone away.

wait you have been around since 2008 and these are the questions you are asking? who is your alt?


ugh.



this game so far is just ugh.

everything looks scummy.

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SC shouldn't need to look at the links, see Grandest Idea, he was mod, I was town. I tunneled scum d1 in that game too based on him saying the word "jester."

That doesn't relate at all to how you're playing here?

@Untrod Tripod:

I'm willing to proxy my vote to you for D1, just tell me where to place it.

I also hate this bullshit too...own your own vote.

CKD I actually remember reading games of yours in like 2008, nice to see you're still playing here. A lot of the people from back then have gone away.

wait you have been around since 2008 and these are the questions you are asking? who is your alt?


ugh.



this game so far is just ugh.

everything looks scummy.

These are both giving me bad vibes. The first looks like a shitty distancing attempt and the second looks like scum throwing out a line hoping to get vote advice.
CKD prob scum

NO WAY YOU BELIEVE THIS.

what part of EVERYTHING LOOKS SCUMMY = Help me with where my vote should go?

but lets say...yep..that was exactly what I was doing..."need help with my vote"...how is that exactly scummy?

also..distancing? distancing from what exactly?

VOTE: cakez

there is no way...absolutely no way you believe this at all.

I think you have seen a couple people say they thought I was scum, and you are just dropping this in, so you can jump in on the wagon if one develops without much effort or suspicion.

I am calling bullshit

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If you want the sort version.
Parama is doing what I call circle jerking.
Keeping the argument going just because.
I see nothing town there.

also this still looks like theater.

If you want the sort version.
Parama is doing what I call circle jerking.
Keeping the argument going just because.
I see nothing town there.

Circle Jerking.
I love it! XD

and this still looks like he is trying to make friends.


god this game...(uh oh Cakez, I am asking for advice on my vote again).

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Thread blew up last night, will check in later

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Just am FYI, it is the end of the quarter. I am slammed with report writing. Also I am gone this weekend. I will try to update this game tomorrow (night?) or Friday (morning?). Using phone atm

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Skimming last page as I am waiting for an appointment.

Farside/Snake/CKD scumteam
EZ

VOTE COUNT

SirCakes (4): curiouskarmadog, Untrod Tripod, eagerSnake, farside22.

There is no way Cakeztown believes this.

I will probably read/update this game in morning. Will try avoid a text wall.

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heading back to page 8 (?!). going to post/quote as a read. will try not to have a wall and will break up as I read.

Called it!

I feel like I asked you what your alt was....did I miss that response?

~~
Scumlean {eagerSnake}
Scum {farside, Parama}

Where I'm at atm[/quote]

who the fuck is this?

Time out, period the end. Come down on it. Farside is fucking dying today for being a lying piece of shit. So take a stance on this now, players, because town is probably going to win the game off this and scum is going to try and brush it under the rug.

I dont understand where the lying thing is coming from (at this point).

end of page 11, I still have no clue what greyice is talking about.

EDIT: above was a Snark post. quote fucked up, dont want to go back to requote it.

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pedit: so questions only matter now if they're alignment-indicative.
how do you define that?

you literally cannot dismiss questions as not alignment indicative until you answer this question. which you just dismissed as not alignment indicative.
basically: you are spewing bs in order to avoid having to answer anything, but get pissy when i don't respond to one of your questions.
what if; i think your question about greyice isn't alignment indicative? what does that mean? i have no bloody clue either ahaha but i can use it an excuse now because you won't explain your own excuse, so why the hell should i?

Again I did awnser your questions.

where
did
you
answer
this
question

point to it.
right this instant.

this is the question she hasnt answered? this is what you are harping on?

this is weak.

Wow that explanation. Here, lets make this nice and easy.

I solemnly swear to vote Farside at the start of every day, up to and including LyLo.

That's it. She's not town. I assure you absolutely I'm town. So this is going to happen every single day, so every fence sitter out there? Better start thinking hard about how long you want this mess to go unanswered because her posts are poorly formatted, hard to read, and obnoxious. They're all that, sure, but they're also scumposts. Kuribo? I don't care what you think, I don't care what you do, and I have no more time for you, so you don't even matter here. This was for the townies, and that most certainly does not include you.

I dont understand why this looks town. scum "gets mad" at a player, explains why he has locked up his vote and wont be voting anyone else, then just stamps his feet and yells a lot. could grey be town? sure. I have tunneled. could grey and farside be scum together? also, yeah, what a great play the above would be. it is however poor playing as town and to me looks more like scum feinting anger.

Slipping a scumread in on me that you have literally never mentioned until now?
Let's talk about that.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog for his horrific reaction above

EDIT: could not post whole quote, the tags are all jacked up.

nice vote, scum bag. way to ignore all my points a questions. yeah, I am voting you because there is no way you believed that bullshit you are peddling.

also

UNVOTE:

How do you go from thinking it is theatre to unvoting?

who did I unvote in this post? did you know before posting this, or are you just trying to look like you are doing something without actually going back and rereading?

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you guys are seriously going to let farside continue to get away with being a massive hypocrite then?

also lol @ "scumreads cakez but doesn't vote him"
again, I vote my strongest scumread, always.
I am not pointing out my concerns with eager to look townie.

I am pointing them out because they are legitimately concerning and the way everyone is willing to brush them under the rug is even more concerning. it's called... scumhunting. Heard of it?

being a hypocrite and being scummy are two different things. I am either not seeing or dont understand you and Grey's attack on farside. the one question you said she didnt answer was more a discussion on theory than anything else. maybe I am overlooking it in this reread. but show me why she is scum.

Okay when you say shit like that you're too deep in the tunnel.

I mean come one really..this is funny right? I mean as you were typing this, you did some self reflection right?

So I'm curious. If I had a multishot vig and I shot Farside, Gear, UT, Cakes, Snarky and Kuribo does anyone think they game would still be ongoing? I don't.

(speaking of self reflection)
so here is something for me to ponder. reading this post makes me feel like Grey is town. but really there is no fucking reason why. fuck, scum would says shit like this to throw a wide net and cover their bases...but. it feels genuine. it seems like a cocky and fuck town player...ugh. need to meta you I think.

So I'm curious. If I had a multishot vig and I shot Farside, Gear, UT, Cakes, Snarky and Kuribo does anyone think they game would still be ongoing? I don't.

Yes.

I laughed at you calling someone tunneled.
That's just hysterical.

well it wasnt lost on me.

you said he could either be scum or bad-town. do you deny this?
you said that if he was town it would not be a loss for the town to lynch him. do you deny this?
you said you'd be fine with lynching him. do you deny this?

in this specific post, you did not lean one way or the other on whether he's scum or town.
using your own bit here: how confident are you that he's scum?

My stance is clear I'm not answering your obvious bait questions, scum.

nah, go ahead and answer them...I would like to know the answers,

I'm literally not reading your questions anymore. You're scum, SirCakez is scum, tunnel, initiated.

this is the same sort of bullshit that pissed me off about Grey. this is scummy or at least anti-town. if you think he is scum, you explore the questions..answer them, ask him some. straight out ignoring him, doesnt help you scum hunt.

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Fine. If you want me to sooo bad, I will go back and answer these stupid ass questions so he can follow them up with more of them and continue to filler and misrep my position.

well make firm definite stances that cant be misrepped.

I'm so fucking glad I'm town this game or I'd be scared shitless right now

Don't expect me to be around when Parama drills you with more frivolous questions to the point of it being meaniless.

I'm not worried about him because luckily I'm town

I had you in the town/null category until this post.

a.) scum love to keep reminding everyone they are town without being asked or prompted to.
b.)why are you not worried about him? if he was scum and you are town, wouldnt you be worried about him? This post almost feels like a slip. like you know he is town.

explain, why you "being town" means you dont have to worry about him?


JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, if fucking Parama or farside use the word "question" one more fucking time (on page 22)...FUUUUCK. so tired of reading this..making the catch up miserable. I am only skimming their interaction at this point. if this is theater, they are fucking dedicated...so I take that back. I dont think they are scum together. one or the other could be scum...even worse they could both be town. if you are both town, you know where you can shove this back and forth right? it makes for a miserable god damn read.

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@everyone hard read the past 4-5 pages, it's not drivel

LOL...fuck you no.

He is hunting. I know this from being on the hunted side of it.

where was he hunting? give me a page number where this was a thing. (hint: this is a trap).

3. farside is not actively scumhunting.
i will be honestly flabbergasted if farside flips anything other than scum.

this is the only part of your case on farside that is worth quoting.

and one could argue she has been busy interacting with your bullshit.

that being said..farside have you been scum hunting in the game?

top 2 scum reads and why (2 points) please.

Vote: GreyICE

1. Trying to paint an awkward comment by Farside as lie.
2. 117,118 from GreyICE don't make sense. He will only explain a scum read on someone to someone who is already on the wagon?
3. Talking about a Traitor.

wtf is this post?

Farside/Snake/CKD scumteam
EZ
Farside's argument with Parama looks awful, and 556 is pretty convincing
Gear your GreyIce vote sucks

this still makes me laugh. you lurk then come in with this. how upset are you that I caught you so early? (no need to answer)

Imagine a very tongue in cheek person in your life and that would describe my posting style.
Sarcasm
Annoyance
Quick post with many interruption.
Fierce
All in a sense of cynicism for other.
Thinking I'm right and above all bitchy.

This sounds like a bunch of reasons I like you and have a great time playing with you here.

Also not at all like lynch bait.

(I'm reading up. Many posts appeared)

oh good, lets make some more fucking friends.

GreyICE is extremely town. This is wonderful, as my last game with him he was very hard to lynch despite our

best

efforts.

YOU'RE A FRIEND...and YOUR'RE A FRIEND.


everyone love me!!!

nothing to see here.

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I will not be prodded.

this is a bullshit slot

replace out now.

I'm not addressing snarky being useless until day 2. When I know for a fact we don't have a vig. Vig should evaporate sparky like s bad dream.

agreed.

Aristophanes explain why you're not voting

this is a good question

I will answer for him - "because I cant figure out who is scum yet/i need to read the game more" (IE i dont want to rub anyone wrong yet).

Aristophanes explain why you're not voting

Because I haven't placed a vote yet, and we're in no rush for a lynch.

I'm assuming you want to no-lynch if you don't vote someone

This is such a leap in logic. You can't be serious...

Pre-emptive answer: Because there's no way you could possibly have zero suspicion of everyone in the game right now and if that is the case then you are scum.

Uhh, no. I merely would like to figure things out and haven't really been active in doing so as of yet. Patience young one.

HA...I was really close.

if I am still around, I am lynching you tomorrow...so you should probably kill me tonight.

Patience young one.

Have you read my name? Patience is a virtue; my least favorite one. We don't need to use all 14 days, that just gives scum time to squirm their way out of a lynch and their buddies can cover up their tracks. This will lead to future mislynches. I'm ready. I'm so ready.

That's fine, but it also helps us find counterwagons to said scum wagons and discern buddies. It allows for conversations in which other scum may be caught. It gives us far more info, which we can use to our benefit. Only scum hate info being out there.

I'm not saying we have to use all 14 days, but using only 4 cuts us way short.

yeah...you know what info I want. your top two scum reads (2 points each) from you...in your next post.

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I acknowledged your points and question CKD, not sure what you're on

did you answer the questions?

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VOTE: sircakez

is that the hammer?

[curiouskarmadog]

Pretty sure it is but I'm taking the juicy credit for this scumflip

why is that?


- - -

also, I am gone for the next 3 days starting now...

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I'm a watcher. So pls get your asses moved to eager.

Kraska, did you miss this? Or did you just not care? lol

LOL

I just reread and I missed that.


but

I doubt it is true.

sircakes, dont be mad..I have a lot of experience at picking out scum bags...if you need tips let me know.

(also I understand how douchey the above post is, it is more gloating...I also understand if he DOES flip a town watcher, how hard I will have to eat these words).

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I'm not a guy

But you're on the internet

HA!

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hmmm...so yesterday....most all day (after calling Cakez scum) I was calling Aristophanes scum.

99% of the day Grey was calling farside scum.

I dont see Aristophanes(scum) killing Grey (unless scum with farside), when I (should) look town as shit. it is also interesting that the super quick wagon that as started is on Aristophanes.

not liking the way this day is starting

when I have time, going to reread who joined the cake wagon and when.

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Vote Ari or u claim scum

I am not voting him right now (or at all). am I scum?

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VOTE: Aristo

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Would have liked more time to read the cake lynch. Guess I can tonight.

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I also need to go back and see who gave me crap about my read/vote on aristo yesterday

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I also need to go back and see who gave me crap about my read/vote on aristo yesterday

your first post of the day was saying aristo was a bad lynch based on the nightkill and the quick wagon.
who are you to talk lol. and that's assuming he even flips scum, which i don't think is a certainty.

Why post this and not mention snakes claims? And then an inventor claim? A lot happened since I said that. I also said it didn't make since unless he was scum with far side, why leave that too is saying the above?

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add ckd to my scum pile.

That was a very bad hammer

Lol do what you got to do.

So I scum if he flips town?

I am scum if he flips scum?

if he does flip scum, you do realize I pegged both aristo and cakes yesterday?

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f*** it I know it is not gonna count because of the hammer but doing it anyways.


VOTE: ckd

Lol

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if I was a betting man, I would bet kraska was a vig kill.

that being said, a town tracker, watcher, and I presume a doc seems quite powerful going against a ninja and a (?).

Snake, who did you track last night.

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oh...and a town vig?

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oh and Rach, lets talk about that scum read you had on me. is that still a thing? how much of the game have you actually read?

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i'm not interested in setup speculation right now when the fact of the matter is that snake lead lynches on scum 2 days in a row.

either that's an insane bussing gambit or he's town.

also put UT on the list of people I want to hear more from.

man, that was the first thing I started speculating not seeing an Eager kill today. I am for believe he is town (on the most part). pretty much whoever tracked last night is nearly cleared.

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believing.

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I feel like it some dead thread somewhere GreyIce is screaming that farside is scum.

Going to reread this game.

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have not had time to deep dive the reread

would not lynch today:
eager
rach
ckd
kuribo
UT

might be convinced to lynch:
farside

would be okay with lynching:
gear

well that makes my job piss easy, doesn't it.
VOTE: Gear

so I saw this, Sircakez, Aristo, and Gear killed GreyICE N1 because of why? this pairing/kill doesnt make in sense. Now they could have been trying to set up farisde, but given the quality (no offense?) of that scum team, I doubt that was a thing.

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I was eating breakfast when I was struck by the epiphany
And i was like ah shit bois cakes is scum
And i have to hammer the scum all the scum So i did

This is why Kraska died, I think. Scum probably realized her hammer was a "counter-claim" to Cakez.

interesting. so you think Kraska was a scum kill and Snake they ignored?

whats the original claim that this is a counter too?

do you think we have a vig?

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re: ckd 893
this is a pretty solid point. the only decent reason i could see this particular grouping killing grey n1 over, like, eager or you, is if they were PR hunting.
the grey kill really only benefits the people he was tunneling on d1, which would be farside and kuribo. and i'd be shocked if the latter is scum at this point.

p-edit: hi again farside, i literally asked you to summarize your case against me, which you have blatantly ignored. are you ready to stop playing anti-town?

I didnt see anything that Grey said that made me think...man he is a PR. it seems like if I was going to PR hunt, but didnt have a clue, I would kill a threat. I havent reread yet, but I can just tell I am probably going to vote farside before this day is out (that doesnt sound very open minded before the reread does it?). I also dont think Kuribo is mafia (feel free to note: I didnt say "scum" here and do with that what you will)

farside thoughts?

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I was eating breakfast when I was struck by the epiphany
And i was like ah shit bois cakes is scum
And i have to hammer the scum all the scum So i did

This is why Kraska died, I think. Scum probably realized her hammer was a "counter-claim" to Cakez.

interesting. so you think Kraska was a scum kill and Snake they ignored?

whats the original claim that this is a counter too?

do you think we have a vig?

Well they have a role blocker, so I don't think they ignored Snake
Sir Cakes watcher claim.
Yes, at least one shot.

ahh, I keep forgetting that cakez claimed watcher.


that might make sense then.

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but lets think this out.
assuming Snake is indeed town, scum has an RB, and the scum thought kraska was a PR

scum KNOWS that Snake is for sure a PR. seems like as scum, I would kill Snake and block kraska, right? unless they were worried about a possible doc? but with a tracker, Kraska's PR assumption, a vig(?), and a doc...doesnt seem balanced.

something here is not making sense.

ugh, I am going down a scum speculation route that has too many possibilities.

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hmm, farside's wagon developed quickly.

going to reread this weekend.

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I am leaning farside scum, but I just am not sure. we have plenty of time though.

farside, assume my vote is going to be the hammer.

claim please.

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here is my problem and why I just dont jump on the farside wagon. is because you say shit like this.

I never claimed jailkeeper

you are putting words in her mouth she didnt say, to make her look scummy.

where did she say, she thought YOU claimed jailkeeper?

(hint: it is not there)

[curiouskarmadog]

Eager, what happened to your suspicion of parama?

Rather you die first... why are you asking me about my "suspicion of Parama" and not of farside22 when that's who you're voting? Sounds like you really just don't want to die

good point, but still answer the question...you know, for shits and giggles.

[curiouskarmadog]

Anyway yadayadayada I want to lynch the useless guy

VOTE: Gear

It doesn't even look like you think that I am scum.

well he is voting you...soo there is that.

but what is the point of this question? do you think Snake is scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

he states that you are useless.

what protown things have you done this game?

[curiouskarmadog]

so you are being coy? dont just post your fucking ISO, last chance to answer the question (unless of course you know you cant).

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus farside, just claim.

you know this is how this works.

[curiouskarmadog]

farside

I can think of one solution where both those are wrong.

Care to share?

town jailkeeper.

what part of this interaction makes you think he claimed town jailkeeper?

[curiouskarmadog]

you know what..

nevermind.


this isnt normal (good) Farsidetown play.

this has the feel of scum whose heart is either not in it or knows she is going to lose.

ugh...

intention to hammer.

[curiouskarmadog]

hmm, farside's wagon developed quickly.

going to reread this weekend.

How is wagon speed indicative of anything when there is presumably one scum left?

It's not like there's a ton of them to be able to pile on.

so if farside IS town, there is probably one scum on it right?

what is the point of this post?

it developed fast, do you disagree?

[curiouskarmadog]

hmm, farside's wagon developed quickly.

going to reread this weekend.

How is wagon speed indicative of anything when there is presumably one scum left?

It's not like there's a ton of them to be able to pile on.

maybe he's trying to line up future mislynches

ooooh really?

is farside a mislynch?

am I scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

hmm, farside's wagon developed quickly.

going to reread this weekend.

How is wagon speed indicative of anything when there is presumably one scum left?

It's not like there's a ton of them to be able to pile on.

so if farside IS town, there is probably one scum on it right?

what is the point of this post?

it developed fast, do you disagree?

My point is that, yeah it developed relatively quickly but that's more of a factor whenever there's more than one scum to "pile on." It makes me concerned that you're already trying to discredit it because a "scum pile on" is almost certainly not possible at the moment.

If farside is town, I'd guess the last scum is on the wagon, (or waiting to hammer?)but the speed of the wagon is pretty irrelevant. In fact it is almost the most literally irrelevant thing possible about the wagon at this point, so speculation about wagon speed is pretty damn pointless.

That's the point of my post.

I guess I can see that...my point though, was it just happened fast with little effort, which gives me pause about a hammer. probably would have hammered by now.

[curiouskarmadog]

I dunno man are you?

yes....


oh shit you caught me.

man thats awesome.


so lets chat. why is farside scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

I mean. I'm not really sure what you want me to say? I have townreads on you and Parama (Parama publicly reevaluating his deathtunnel on farside is town as fuck imo) at this point. I disagree with kuribo's assertion that Rach can't be scum based on chainsawing ckd since her ISO otherwise has just been fluff, nonsense, and vague buddying. I don't think kuribo has had time this game to actually unfurl the murdercock so I'm not concerned about his lack of fire just yet but he just reads like white noise to me

Gear's posting today reads like a death spiral to me. this last page is particularly bad.

farside's continued deathtunnel on Parama is pretty bad at this point. I'd consider voting her just to get rid of the noise

I would like 2 points why you think farside is scum

"getting rid of noise" is not a reason.

[curiouskarmadog]

I never claimed jailkeeper

you are putting words in her mouth she didnt say, to make her look scummy.

Well.

I said fake claimed jk, ie could be scum rb.

Looked to me like she thought my earlier post was a claim, and thus she had to attack it because literally everything I do has to be scum.

town jailkeeper.

This sounded like a fake claim.

Aaaaand lo and behold, I was right.

yeah...you were right. lol disregard

[curiouskarmadog]

I agree.

but you can go ahead and answer the question too. I mean you havent like three time now. and I am not deflecting.

so what DID happen to your Parama suspicion.

[curiouskarmadog]

if you were just a VT why not claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

I mean, you do have a "best town performance" title.

I am not seeing it here.

[curiouskarmadog]

so what DID happen to your Parama suspicion.

It mysteriously vanished

you know you got that "I am fucking town, so I can do whatever the fuck I want" air about you, right?

it isnt really helpful.

[curiouskarmadog]

Well she did help me lead 2 consecutive scum lynches

OKAY...you can stop taking credit for the Sir Cakez lynch...you hardly lead shit there.

[curiouskarmadog]

being first vote = being lead vote

you want to double check that?

[curiouskarmadog]

VOTE COUNT

eagerSnake (1): SirCakez
farside22 (2): GreyICE, Parama
kuribo (1): eagerSnake
Parama (4): farside22, kraska77, Gear, Untrod Tripod
SirCakes (1): curiouskarmadog
Not voting (4): kuribo, RachMarie, SnarkySnowman, Aristophanes

With

13

players voting, it takes

7

votes to lynch a player.

Day 1 end in (expired on 2016-10-10 13:18:51).

@mod can you sent out a game start pm to rach

Will do.

[curiouskarmadog]

this is all more of a principle argument.

but when someone says they did something they didnt do...that a.) pisses me off and b.) makes me question motivation.

[curiouskarmadog]

not dumb, principle.

you said you a.) lead the wagon and b.) voted first.

a.) looking back. maybe I can see this you would think that.

but b.) is just not true.

[curiouskarmadog]

this argument IS a waste of time.

I am 85% sure Snake is town. if I wasnt so paranoid, it would be higher.

there is a lot of coincidences right now that is falling into Snake's favor (and it isnt really sitting right). but at the end of the day, his actions favor him to be town.

[curiouskarmadog]

Kuribo

hey boys you are both town chill lets focus on scumz.

okay you start by doing something.

fucking anything.

[curiouskarmadog]

but i really REALLY fucking hate it when people behave as if they can do whatever they want just because they think they're confirmed town

and i've seen too many towns crash and fucking burn because some King Shit refused to listen to other peoples' opinions just because they were being universally townread

because, guess what? Sometimes universal townreads are fucking scum, and other times their reads are bullshit and they lead towns over cliffs

this...this is old school thinking that I agree with.

now...please dont be scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

yeah, but with his town cred if he was scum..and farside was town. he could have easily jumped on the wagon with little suspicion.

[curiouskarmadog]

okay..you guys, quit spamming thread.

UT - tell me why you think farside is scum, thus voting her.
farisde - tell me why you didnt claim.
farside - what makes you think parama claimed JK
rach - do fucking something, you are on the worthless side of this game.

[curiouskarmadog]

farisde - tell me why you didnt claim (at first)

[curiouskarmadog]

so you are being coy? dont just post your fucking ISO, last chance to answer the question (unless of course you know you cant).

If you think I'm scum, you have to think I was scum reading both of my buddies day one. If you want to talk about anything on particular, we can.

this is what I see in your ISO.

"I think Aris is scum" - no vote.
"I think CKD is scum" - no vote.
"I think Sir Cakez is scum, maybe bussing CKD" - no vote.
vote GreyIce
SirCake "your vote sucks"
"I think Sir Cakez is scum x4" - no vote.

Sircakes hung = scum dead

Day 2

nothing...but it was fast.

so yeah...what exactly did you do? for all of your talk about sir cakez and Aris...there wasnt a lot of voting on either. so you want credit for what now?

[curiouskarmadog]

Also ckd is on my scum list and I glazed through reading the rest of this page.

well now that just hurts.

but lets explore that a bit.

And my vote stands since Parama just asked a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask.
I mean do I really need to define bantering?
No.
My question about grey was again to see if Parama thought grey was doing anything or had a view there on just her blanket comments.

i mean, i decisively responded to the other questions in that post already.

let me just point out the hypocrisy of yelling at me to answer questions, then ignoring all the questions i have in return by dismissing them as "a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask" (i know what you're trying to say here but this sentence doesn't parse well either???)

yeah. ok. if that's the game you wanna play.

VOTE: farside22

done wasting my time with scum, alright

just answer them again.

please repost what question you asked her that she didnt answer.

everybody wins.

now you left yourself an out by saying you "glazed" the post. but what about this post makes you think..."gee that CKD must be scum". Both you guys are saying that the other isnt answering question..I want to see who really believes it....

also....funny you didnt do what I asked...so do you really think he isnt answering questions?

there is also this that bothered the shit out of me. SC also wanted to throwing suspicion on me with no reason..you know just leaving himself an opening to jump on my wagon if he needed to.

you just got lucky that is reasoning was worse than his.

[curiouskarmadog]

so here is where I am at.

all signs point to farside being scum.

there is something about gear I dont like. something that looks scummy as shit.

UT and Rach are useless. everybody else is probably town.

if there IS an SK in this game (and for balancing reasons, I can see that) I think farside is probably right, it is probably kuribo (sorry man).

I have reread all I care to at this point.

VOTE: farside

that is -1

(if I die tonight)

if farside flips scum and the game continues, we have a SK (best guess kuribo)
if farside flips town, and the game continues, I am thinking Gear or UT.

[curiouskarmadog]

ugh..

hang on.

unvote

[curiouskarmadog]

nevermind, I thought I found something.

Aristophenes is town
Parama is town
Snake is town
Snarky is town

I'm mostly doing this to annoy CKD

Eh gear might not be scum. Far side is.

these were the last things Grey said about Gear and Aris. after losing their buddy (SC) I dont see GearScum and Aris, offing Grey.

VOTE: farside

[curiouskarmadog]

we are not in a situation where we need to worry about an SK...BUT I think it is worth people keeping in the back of their minds.

[curiouskarmadog]

I thought about a massclaim. but dont think it is needed today.

[curiouskarmadog]

I am probably not going to look at this, this weekend. because...

I am sick of you people(?).

[curiouskarmadog]

Prod dodging don't care about this until Monday

[curiouskarmadog]

this is what I see in your ISO.

"I think Aris is scum" - no vote.
"I think CKD is scum" - no vote.
"I think Sir Cakez is scum, maybe bussing CKD" - no vote.
vote GreyIce
SirCake "your vote sucks"
"I think Sir Cakez is scum x4" - no vote.

Sircakes hung = scum dead

Day 2

nothing...but it was fast.

so yeah...what exactly did you do? for all of your talk about sir cakez and Aris...there wasnt a lot of voting on either. so you want credit for what now?

I'm not asking for credit. I wouldn't be talking about any of this if it wasn't for your what pro-town things have you done question.

when I asked you what you have done protown in this game, and all you fucking post is your ISO....what was your ISO suppose to give you credit for?
the answer to my question was your ISO. WHICH I dont see anything protown in, so again, I will ask you...what have you done in this game that is protown?

[curiouskarmadog]

farside needs to be the one that goes today guys.

feel it in my bones...MY BOOOONNNNESSS

[curiouskarmadog]

this is what I see in your ISO.

"I think Aris is scum" - no vote.
"I think CKD is scum" - no vote.
"I think Sir Cakez is scum, maybe bussing CKD" - no vote.
vote GreyIce
SirCake "your vote sucks"
"I think Sir Cakez is scum x4" - no vote.

Sircakes hung = scum dead

Day 2

nothing...but it was fast.

so yeah...what exactly did you do? for all of your talk about sir cakez and Aris...there wasnt a lot of voting on either. so you want credit for what now?

I'm not asking for credit. I wouldn't be talking about any of this if it wasn't for your what pro-town things have you done question.

when I asked you what you have done protown in this game, and all you fucking post is your ISO....what was your ISO suppose to give you credit for?
the answer to my question was your ISO. WHICH I dont see anything protown in, so again, I will ask you...what have you done in this game that is protown?

If you want to talk about anything in particular, I'm game, but I'm not going to continue to participate in this bullshit.

Particular?

Jesus Christ, I am just asking you to name one fucking protown thing you have done. Just one. Instead you have been dodgey and coy. Hell you could have just owned up and said, " guess I am just having a bad game" but you haven't even done that.

I am trying to figure out if you are scum, having a bad game, or just a generally shitty mafia player.

[curiouskarmadog]

Never mind

Don't answer the question.

I know the answer. Nothing. You have done nothing in this fucking game that is town.

You are either a shitty/new player or the SK (if we have one). Hope you are learning this game.

[curiouskarmadog]

Gear is not the lynch today. The greyice kill doesn't make sense with him as part of the scum team.

Farside on the other hand makes perfect sense.

[curiouskarmadog]

Never mind

Don't answer the question.

I know the answer. Nothing. You have done nothing in this fucking game that is town.

You are either a shitty/new player or the SK (if we have one). Hope you are learning this game.

Why are you subjecting me to this and not Parama and Rachael?

this post = deflection without acknowledging the question/issue.

no answer I give you for this ridiculous question will satisfy.

because..because I want to. because I think you COULD be scum...because I want to see your reaction...because god called me last week and said I should do it.

who the fuck cares?

[curiouskarmadog]

Gear is not the lynch today. The greyice kill doesn't make sense with him as part of the scum team.

Farside on the other hand makes perfect sense.

You said same exact thing about aristiphanes though?

did I? the exact samething?

or did I say this.

hmmm...so yesterday....most all day (after calling Cakez scum) I was calling Aristophanes scum.

99% of the day Grey was calling farside scum.

I dont see Aristophanes(scum) killing Grey (unless scum with farside), when I (should) look town as shit. it is also interesting that the super quick wagon that as started is on Aristophanes.

not liking the way this day is starting

when I have time, going to reread who joined the cake wagon and when.

guess you forgot that "unless" part?

wonder who I am voting today?

oh thats right...thoughts?

[curiouskarmadog]

ckd

My question still stands if I go compromise with you lot on Far, and yeah of the two if one is scum it would be her over Para for sure, and you all turn out to be wrong, and the game does not end, will you at least LOOK at Gear tomorrow?

I am looking at Gear now...so yes?

but do I promise for sure I will vote him tomorrow?..if there is a tomorrow? no. if farside is mafia, and we still have a day tomorrow..he is not the top of my list for an SK...if farside flips town, I need to reread along with any other flips. also, you are assuming I am even alive to see tomorrow. that is the best you will get from me

[curiouskarmadog]

ckd

My question still stands if I go compromise with you lot on Far, and yeah of the two if one is scum it would be her over Para for sure, and you all turn out to be wrong, and the game does not end, will you at least LOOK at Gear tomorrow?

also, just because Gear deflected to you, doesnt mean there isnt truth to the deflection. You havent done much this game either..

thoughts?

[curiouskarmadog]

I left my farside tunnel for this, go look at the last page from gear and do me solid if I'm dead tomorrow

Gear is scum eager. Kraska is definitely not.

why did you pick the above quote and not bother quoting the LAST FUCKING THING Grey said?

Eh gear might not be scum. Far side is.

[curiouskarmadog]

Why would I include information that goes to the contrary of my objective

WTF?

[curiouskarmadog]

because it is the truth?

like..

I dont even know how to go about...

so you deliberating leave out information because it doesnt line up with your agenda?

you are policy lynch in all future games. this is the most anti-town thing I have read it a long time.

[curiouskarmadog]

that almost makes me want to replace out.

fucking seriously.

[curiouskarmadog]

I just do whatever is necessary to get my scumread lynched

maybe it shouldnt be a scum read given....uh..facts.

fuck this.

I will not be interacting with you for the duration.

[curiouskarmadog]

actually I hate policy lynches.

I just wont join a game with you....jesus...

[curiouskarmadog]

Eh gear might not be scum. Far side is.

[curiouskarmadog]

VOTE COUNT

eagerSnake (1): SirCakez
GreyICE (1): Gear
farside22 (2): GreyICE, Parama
SirCakes (4): curiouskarmadog, Untrod Tripod, farside22, eagerSnake
Not voting (4): kuribo, RachMarie, SnarkySnowman, Aristophanes, kraska77

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2016-10-10 13:18:51).

VOTE COUNT

eagerSnake (1): SirCakez
GreyICE (1): Gear
farside22 (2): GreyICE, Parama
SirCakes (5): curiouskarmadog, Untrod Tripod, farside22, eagerSnake, kuribo
Not voting (4): RachMarie, SnarkySnowman, Aristophanes, kraska77

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2016-10-10 13:18:51).

[curiouskarmadog]

"might not be"

IS

[curiouskarmadog]

no I dont give a shit about you and the fact you are not voting farside.

I have a problem with you deliberately leaving out information.

I have a problem with you deliberately trying to discredit me, by LEAVING OUT INFORMATION.

you are a shitty player.

doubly so if Gear flips town.

[curiouskarmadog]

no I dont give a shit about you and the fact you are not voting farside.

ANYMORE

[curiouskarmadog]

fuck you

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW WE HAVE A VIG?


EGHFIAYCL Q3BH;


i AM DONE.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, kuribo had the same reaction...or he is fabricating the same reaction.

either way, it is the correct reaction.

[curiouskarmadog]

except the vote. the vote is stupid.

[curiouskarmadog]

also you protected Snake too?

you cant get out of this game that easy kuribo.

[curiouskarmadog]

dont worry about it Parama.

he has doubled down. I just am not going to listen to a fucking thing he has to say in the game going forward, because I cant trust it. Fuck he might be right about gear...but...he is a liar.

I wont join any further games with him either. problem solved.

[curiouskarmadog]

protected you N1 because of the Cakez lynch, almost protected grey but figured if scum shot him so be it, at least i wouldn't have to listen to his shit another day


protected snake N2 because duh claimed tracker with a scum lynch under his belt

shut up with this noise.

I protected all of those people all of those nights.

[curiouskarmadog]

I never lied lol but OK

you did

[curiouskarmadog]

i won't reveal until endgame

i thought about having a game theory discussion endgame.

but then realized I dont give a shit.

dude thinks he is right. I am not here to teach.

[curiouskarmadog]

we have literally wasted pages on this. fuck it.

just know that he is not trustworthy going forward. I doubt he is scum. I dont think he has the wherewithal to put together a scum gambit like this.

if I am wrong I will eat crow.

but he is being ignored going forward and I just hope he doesnt wreck this fucking game.

[curiouskarmadog]

can we just lynch farside now (I do love you dear, sorry you grabbed a scum role) and hopefully end this game outright?

[curiouskarmadog]

curious farside...do you know why I think you are scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

this is also another reason farside.

Also ckd is on my scum list and I glazed through reading the rest of this page.

well now that just hurts.

but lets explore that a bit.

And my vote stands since Parama just asked a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask.
I mean do I really need to define bantering?
No.
My question about grey was again to see if Parama thought grey was doing anything or had a view there on just her blanket comments.

i mean, i decisively responded to the other questions in that post already.

let me just point out the hypocrisy of yelling at me to answer questions, then ignoring all the questions i have in return by dismissing them as "a bunch of questions that were pretty much just to ask" (i know what you're trying to say here but this sentence doesn't parse well either???)

yeah. ok. if that's the game you wanna play.

VOTE: farside22

done wasting my time with scum, alright

just answer them again.

please repost what question you asked her that she didnt answer.

everybody wins.

now you left yourself an out by saying you "glazed" the post. but what about this post makes you think..."gee that CKD must be scum". Both you guys are saying that the other isnt answering question..I want to see who really believes it....

also....funny you didnt do what I asked...so do you really think he isnt answering questions?

this gave me the same feel of what Cakez was doing Day 1. throwing up a shitty scum read, without anything backing up. like Cakez it felt like you were leaving this open if you needed to jump on it later without suspicion. Ultimately I attacked Cakez for this because his was so blatant and then of course his reaction when I called him on it. This however stuck with me too. You even left yourself an out with the "I know glazed, but" comment. Nothing here seems genuine. it is just scummy and not good Townfarside

[curiouskarmadog]

I can't imagine that there is anyone in this game who would take seriously someone listing the things they have done that they think are pro-town. I imagine that most people would at best be irritated by it. The fact that your response to me included the comment about me wanting credit for things makes me question your motivation in asking these questions, and this is made even worse by your accusation in your last post that I am deflecting. I am concerned that you are proceeding down this line of questioning, to force me to do things that others will find questionable.

at the end of the day (at the point in the game) I have both Rach and Parama in my town pile. Certianly not because Rach has done anything protown, but a general feel. Parama just looks town. chalk those reads up to experience. you on the other hand look scummy. the only reason you dont have my vote right now, is because I dont think you and Aris killed Grey. you might be an SK if we have one, but dont think you are mafia. that being said, I still am pressuring you to see what happens. the fact is, you havent done ANYTHING protown this game. "Waaaahhh, why arent you asking Rach that question? Waaaah" because I dont think she is scum. looking at your ACTIONS versus what you were saying is damning. you are just lucky that farside is fitting the mafia scum mold better than you.

what is so questionable about me asking you to provide some protown actions? I guess it is safe to say at this point that since you have refused to answer this question, you know you look scummy as shit and cant point to anything showing you have done anything protown.

does questionable = scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

I can't imagine that there is anyone in this game who would take seriously someone listing the things they have done that they think are pro-town. I imagine that most people would at best be irritated by it. The fact that your response to me included the comment about me wanting credit for things makes me question your motivation in asking these questions, and this is made even worse by your accusation in your last post that I am deflecting. I am concerned that you are proceeding down this line of questioning, to force me to do things that others will find questionable.

at the end of the day (at the point in the game) I have both Rach and Parama in my town pile. Certianly not because Rach has done anything protown, but a general feel. Parama just looks town. chalk those reads up to experience. you on the other hand look scummy. the only reason you dont have my vote right now, is because I dont think you and Aris killed Grey. you might be an SK if we have one, but dont think you are mafia. that being said, I still am pressuring you to see what happens. the fact is, you havent done ANYTHING protown this game. "Waaaahhh, why arent you asking Rach that question? Waaaah" because I dont think she is scum. looking at your ACTIONS versus what you were saying is damning. you are just lucky that farside is fitting the mafia scum mold better than you.

what is so questionable about me asking you to provide some protown actions? I guess it is safe to say at this point that since you have refused to answer this question, you know you look scummy as shit and cant point to anything showing you have done anything protown.

does questionable = scummy?

I blame you if town loses.
And you'll here me rant post game.

you blame me? the guy you caught sircakez day one when no one else was giving him the time of day. I would also say I nailed Aris day one too, but was reluctant day 2.

sure...you blame me.

i dont know if you are being genuine here or if this is AoE.

[curiouskarmadog]

even given how good I was day 1...people are still not listening to me today..

so farside, you dont seem to have much to worry about.

[curiouskarmadog]

Parama (1): farside22

Aristophenes is town
Parama is town

Grey seems way more zen than I remember. This is a welcome development.

Your vote on parama is an unwelcome development.

Hey boys and girls. This isn't a joke. Farside is fucking scum. Parama is town.

you want me to believe Parama killed this the first shot he got?

no.

[curiouskarmadog]

on a completely unrelated note, UT if you are scum this game and are just lurking...I will be severely disappointed.

[curiouskarmadog]

a useless point.

[curiouskarmadog]

on a completely unrelated note, UT if you are scum this game and are just lurking...I will be severely disappointed.

UT's a shell of his former self. The last time he played with me, me him and T-Bone were in a hydra together.

UT posted hardly at all and read even less. The first day, I was disallowed by the moderator from posting for the remainder of the day. Then the second day (or near the end of the first) T-Bone was disallowed from posting for the remainder of the game or communicating with UT and I because someone had spoiled him. UT did not pick up the slack in any notable way, despite both of his hydra partners not being allowed to post.

UT, comment?

[curiouskarmadog]

a useless point.

nah, i definitely feel "I DON'T LIKE BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO" is a pretty good point

well technically you are being as obnoxious as him.

[curiouskarmadog]

so far no one has been able to or has answered my concern about scum far which is why she would be ballsy enough to double bus both her scum budz?

That is why I think gear is more likely. However ckd, if it comes to deadline and she ends up being the lynch of the day, I will switch. BUT I do want people to take a really good look at gear tomorrow if we are all wrong about her, or the game does not end.

so I started to put together a post here explaining why farside didnt really bus anything....without me checking did her vote come after or before Snake's claim? if it was after, it was not a bus.


however, reading the SC wagon...ugh...dont look bussy.

[curiouskarmadog]

UNVOTE:

[curiouskarmadog]

Farside isn't lynchbait lol
In fact I don't I've ever seen her get lynched

Not true.
Well at least not when I'm town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=68163
Scum game.

this post seems like a lot of work to fake something between partners.

[curiouskarmadog]

fine..

going to reread the game.


I wonder if the Dead Thread is active...and what the fuck they are saying.

[curiouskarmadog]

Rach, since you are hot to trot on Gear as scum

nevermind, I thought I found something.

Aristophenes is town
Parama is town
Snake is town
Snarky is town

I'm mostly doing this to annoy CKD

Eh gear might not be scum. Far side is.

these were the last things Grey said about Gear and Aris. after losing their buddy (SC) I dont see GearScum and Aris, offing Grey.

VOTE: farside

sell me on this. this is my biggest hurdle

SC/Aris/Gear.

after losing their partner, Aris and Gear decidde to kill Grey OUT OF EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS GAME...why? Aris wasnt doing jack and Gear had a case AGAINST grey. I dont buy it.

[curiouskarmadog]

now...

what if...

hmm..

now we are assuming that Grey was a scum kill.

ugh. I just dont see mafia killing the snowman. I just dont. unless town was just so off in their reads Day 1, that they werent worried and just wanted to remain hidden. nah. that had to be a vig/sk

[curiouskarmadog]

now...

what if...

hmm..

now we are assuming that Grey was a scum kill.

ugh. I just dont see mafia killing the snowman. I just dont. unless town was just so off in their reads Day 1, that they werent worried and just wanted to remain hidden. nah. that had to be a vig/sk

Aristo was tracked to grey ice, that's a non issue.

oh right.

trying to think outside of the box.

anyway. leaving this for the night. hope you are happy, you can thank Rach for my unvote. made me go back and reread SC's wagon.

[curiouskarmadog]

if you are scum farside. that AoE shit was lame.

[curiouskarmadog]

the guy you caught sircakez day one when no one else was giving him the time of day

yeah yeah, you and ONLY YOU were scumreading him

where did I say that? what triggered you to vote him after me UT?

[curiouskarmadog]

so far no one has been able to or has answered my concern about scum far which is why she would be ballsy enough to double bus both her scum budz?

That is why I think gear is more likely. However ckd, if it comes to deadline and she ends up being the lynch of the day, I will switch. BUT I do want people to take a really good look at gear tomorrow if we are all wrong about her, or the game does not end.

so I started to put together a post here explaining why farside didnt really bus anything....without me checking did her vote come after or before Snake's claim? if it was after, it was not a bus.

so I checked, because I was going to give farside shit about her "bus" on Aris.

her vote DID come before the claim...

so....

(shrug)

[curiouskarmadog]

Parama (1): farside22

Aristophenes is town
Parama is town

Grey seems way more zen than I remember. This is a welcome development.

Your vote on parama is an unwelcome development.

Hey boys and girls. This isn't a joke. Farside is fucking scum. Parama is town.

you want me to believe Parama killed this the first shot he got?

no.

Here's is the thing.
Scum kill either obv town, to throw shade at other players, or because there being scum read by said player.
2 out of 3 work in Parama favor.

Grey was obvious town?

I didnt think so.

I thought his "I am not moving my vote from farside" thing was suspicious.

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if you are scum farside. that AoE shit was lame.

I hate your not listening to my read of parama and even if you lynched me and flip town, you'd still ignore it.
You deserve to know I'd be pissed post game and with the tunneling you've done this game day I think you've put me on ignore.

stop

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seriously I am done....done for tonight.

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote: RachMarie

Her town read on Farside has mysteriously and conveniently vanished today. .

why is it convenient? wouldnt it have been easier for her to vote farside when farisde was so close to being hammered today?

and lets say it did disappear, why is that scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

Gear which is better in your view.
Lynching a town read.
No lynch.

[curiouskarmadog]

I'll answer that, but first I'd like to know why you think it's relevant.

Just cause Rach says ask she says is that she was willing to lynch Farside at the deadline, doesn't mean that is actually what is happening. See above and the fact that she knows we aren't at the deadline now.

Jesus fuck just answer the question .

Post where rach said she would lynch her "town " read.

[curiouskarmadog]

WHERE THE FUCK DID SHE SAY SHE WAS WILLING TO LYNCH HER TOWN READ? The meme doesn't indicate she wants to lynch her town read.

The meme indicates that grey is exploding in the dead thread about FARSIDE AND YOU.

So answer the fucking question where does rach say she is willing to lynch her her town read?

If the only time she has said it is "at deadline" then answer the first question, which is better "no lynch or lynching a town read"

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actually I dont give a shit.

VOTE: Gear

you dumb fuck, I have actually been saying you are probably town most of today. I mean technically I

am

was on your side. But every question (EVERY ONE) I have asked you to try to deduce if you actually believe the shit you are saying, you are either coy, deflect, ignore, or answer with a question without answering. I have given you more of a break than I give most. I dont think you are scum. you are just a jerk, who thinks he is smarter than he really is.

you are a danger to this game and if for some horrible reason we get to a lylo situation I dont want you there. I mean, maybe we get lucky and you flip some brand of scum.

so there....NOW you finally have found someone IS ACTUALLY willingly to lynch someone they think is town. HOORAY!

so given your "case" against Rach, am I scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

gear claim

[curiouskarmadog]

this game will be a sorry state when I am gone.

[curiouskarmadog]

"friends"

[curiouskarmadog]

Farside how many times have you posted since those posts? Why "FYI" them now?

[curiouskarmadog]

UNVOTE:

Gear considered my vote on you. I still want your claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

You can scumread us both, that's fine.

But if Rach is scum. I'm not. It's that simple, unless you think there's 4 mafia somehow.

there could be an SK.

also, at one point I was leaning scum reads and both farside, gear, and kuribo.

[curiouskarmadog]

Farside you know that rach convinced me to invite you right? Why would scum do that?

[curiouskarmadog]

At this point in the game that would be a horrid play from Rachscum

[curiouskarmadog]

Unvote

[curiouskarmadog]

Unvote

It was just a correction. I should already be unvoted

[curiouskarmadog]

Starting to think our scum may be hiding with the quieter crowd.

[curiouskarmadog]

okay, we are just talking in circles.

maybe we get lucky here.

VOTE: gear

[curiouskarmadog]

no message mod?

[curiouskarmadog]

Kuribo, you were really a fucking doc? I thought you lying to just pull a kill. wtf?

[curiouskarmadog]

going to reread..but I dont imagine I am going to be anymore illuminated.

[curiouskarmadog]

also at this point, I think we should mass claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

why do we need to massclaim...

well, I am not going to explain why just yet (should be obvious, but I am taking it you are new). bottom line, it might remove some people from possible lynches or it might catch a lie.

I need everyone to comment on a mass claim. if you have a problem with it...explain why.

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also, I am fine doing it popcorn style...and I am fine going first.

[curiouskarmadog]

well before every gets crazy and start claiming, I want to hear everyone's thoughts on it first (consider it scum hunting).

[curiouskarmadog]

rach you literally convinced to not lynch farside yesterday.

[curiouskarmadog]

now you are hot to trot to lynch her today?

[curiouskarmadog]

Rach - VT
Snake - tracker.

I am also a VT

Parama, I notice (or did I miss) you not commenting on the mass claim.

I would like you to claim next.

[curiouskarmadog]

Also a note: No one claimed vig and there was 2 deaths night one.
That confirms a sk in the game.

yep that is what I was wondered about.

far, you did claim VT right?

[curiouskarmadog]

worried = wondered

[curiouskarmadog]

so literally at this point, ANYONE could be scum.

if someone was on scum wagons or not, does not matter.

[curiouskarmadog]

it also should be noted that since Snake claimed, he has been "blocked" and no second kill as occurred.

[curiouskarmadog]

not saying he is the SK, but a mafia gambit (not knowing there was an SK in the game) is not out of the question.

[curiouskarmadog]

either way he is not the lynch today but something that should be remembered.

[curiouskarmadog]

why do we need to massclaim...

see why I wanted to massclaim?

[curiouskarmadog]

also thinking about it what the hell is the point of the question in 1432?
i literally can think of no reason why town would care about the answer to this question. the only people who care are the mafia and the sk. it's a town loss regardless of which one wins.
why would you ask this as town.

oh, right. you aren't town. duh.

if she was an SK or the mafia, she would have asked the question to the mod in a PM and not out in the open.

if you think she is either of the above, she would be asking the question (out loud) to look town...

I was curious about the same thing, am I scum too?

[curiouskarmadog]

farside, who is scum and why are you not voting them?

UT, it is time for you to do something...who is scum and why?

[curiouskarmadog]

no one has asked (for everybody "having me" in their town category, I find this strange) but here is where I am at.

VOTE COUNT

farside22 (2): Parama, RachMarie
Not voting (4): curiouskarmadog, eagerSnake, farside22, Untrod Tripod

With

6

players alive, it takes

4

votes to lynch a player.

The Grey kill....I think this points directly at farside...OR Parama trying to set up farside. I think this recent anger from Parama could easily be (but maybe not) scum frustrated that we are not following his lead on his farside (mis?)lynch. I think as scum, he feels this "case" is a slam dunk, and it is baffling him why it is not getting traction today.

on farside, her play has been bad this game (sorry hon). I dont think she is mafia (even though some thing indicate she is). she could be the SK.

Rach. seems opportunistic. she literally convinced me yesterday to NOT VOTE farside, but she was setting up the "if Gear is not scum, I will join you getting farside tomorrow" thing...and looky at this..here we are. She was a non entity Day 1., same with Day 2. She only started playing Day 3 and lead an attack on town. she hasnt down ANYTHING in this game that is protown.

UT, a lurker. I fucking lurker. could be town..could be mafia ...could be the SK. No matter what you are in this game, I am disappointed in you on the verge of anger. especially if you slip some brand of scum. if you are scum and you win this game...fuck you. this will be placed in my already full ammunition bag of why I want to lynch lurkers.

the only (confirmed-ish) player is Snake, who also fucking sucks with his "this in my case and I am deliberately leaving shit out, because it contradicts my case" bullshit. ON BY THE WAY, Gear was town....so fuck that noise. This slot could be a mafia gambit (doubtful).


so that is why I havent voted. I literally can see everyone as some brand of scum. I am not voting Snake today.

so the pool at this point is far, parama, rach, and UT.

given the current voting....I am pretty sure at least one scum is between rach and parama.

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ckd, farside, why were you curious about this? why does it matter to you?

because, I wanted to form an argument FOR scum why they should be more worried about each other at this point. but also, I was just curious how the mod would handle it.

why are you NOT curious about it?

[curiouskarmadog]

it's been baffling me for four goddamn game days why a farside wagon hasn't gained any traction considering she's spent most of days 1, 3, and 4 being scum as hell. day 2 was the only thing that gave me any doubts and i've long since gotten over those.

p-edit: because it's a loss for me either way.

it is?

[curiouskarmadog]

I mean, I could explain..why it wouldnt be...but that isnt really protown.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol

funny thought, Farside is the SK and Parama is the last mafia. that makes their Day 1 interactions fucking hilarious.

[curiouskarmadog]

I was not active day 1 because I was not active much of anywhere I was on V/LA for quite a period there.

And yes i was wrong about gear. Do you think if I were really the last remaining scum or the sk for that matter I would actually be that ballsy to push for a lynch on gear when far was set up nicely to be lynched? I did it because I genuinely believed gear was scum the wagon analysis said he was scum. And I wanted to eliminate the maf team first then go after the sk.

Now does it make sense?

But since I was wrong on gear, and the other wagon was far, it makes more sense to go back there. She is probably the sk but we need another non townie lynch or we are going to be screwed as a town. Especially with her wanting to know if the sk and scum can do a joint win.

We need to stop lynching townies and get the last scum and the sk,

(shrug)

that is why I am not voting you (at the moment). You laid the ground work to lynch farside today after Gear, did you not?

[curiouskarmadog]

the context of farside's question helps, but it very specifically was asking which of mafia/sk would win in 3-way lylo. or if both would. there's no room for a town win in the question's wording or context.

mod: if there is a sk and mafia in lylo with a townie, who wins?

I just experienced in princess bride the worst mod decision I ever seen where scum/sk got a joint win.

that is a good point...just depends on how you read the question.

my question would have been.

if SK/ 1 mafia/town were the last three, who wins? sort of a semantics thing...I understand where you are coming from, but the question itself doesnt make me look at farside any different either way.

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lol, just reread something.

you misunderstand.
I don't particularly care if farside answers all my questions.
I do however care when she demands of me to do it then doesn't do the same in return. cause that's hypocrisy.

I did respond to your questions.

Ckd: I'm reading from 1 page to the next. It's just easier from me to do via phone.
The questions I asked where here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8365425
If you look post 90 post
He clearly saw one question at the end but not the other 2 I asked in the same post.
That is also were he asked his question.
Which I responded to and he keeps acting like I didnt.
Which I responded http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8365641 that post.

okay...and the rest of my post?

The scum read?
Felt like you were buddying me in the beginning and the unvote felt awkward.

where did you feel like I was buddying with you that made you put me on your scum list?

what unvote was awkward?..and what was awkward about it do you think?

[curiouskarmadog]

farside, who is scum and why are you not voting them?

UT, it is time for you to do something...who is scum and why?

I still want to lynch RachMarie. Her cheerleading of Parama and the farside wagonafter having argued against it yesterday screams scum to me.

Why no vote?

We are probably looking at two scum, thoughts?

[curiouskarmadog]

We are probably looking at two scum, thoughts?

I think we don't know that and trying to catch two scum at once is a really bad idea, especially given the possibility that one of them could be an SK

so we have two kills and no one claimed a vig.

work me through the no SK bit again.

[curiouskarmadog]

also farside you are posting elsewhere on site. I would like to see you here posting sooner than later.

[curiouskarmadog]

Why was there 2 kills n1 and only 1 kill n2 and n3 is what I want to know.

(Look at me, I am asking the hard hitting questions)

[curiouskarmadog]

vote farside

you cant look back because it is not there. I wasnt buddying with you.. there was no post that was even close to buddying with you.

go back and show me where I was buddying with you that made you put me in "your scum pile"? do it now.

also my vote wasnt awkward. it was a removal of my first vote that was a day 1 silly vote. there was nothing strange there.

I remembered this was the one of the first things that made me think "huh, thats scummy", asked about this, but never followed up.

[curiouskarmadog]

farside, who is scum and why are you not voting them?

UT, it is time for you to do something...who is scum and why?

I still want to lynch RachMarie. Her cheerleading of Parama and the farside wagonafter having argued against it yesterday screams scum to me.

Why no vote?

We are probably looking at two scum, thoughts?

Are you just blantly ignoring my post.
It's not that hard to see who I'm scum reading and why do you think there is 2 scum members left with 2 kills n1.

Vote: rachmarie

was my above quoted post to you farside?

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UNVOTE:

god dammit.

second guessing.

farside I do care.

so go back and show me where I was buddying with you.

go back and explain to me why my vote was awkward, and why that was scummy.

also, out of everyone here, I have been very civil with you out of history and respect...and that isnt my nature. so telling me to go fuck myself..well, that doesnt sit right with me.

[curiouskarmadog]

So we're lynching Farside now?

I bet every time you post, the dead thread loses it's fucking mind.

At this point in the game why are you asking others? Who the fuck do YOU think is scum and why?

[curiouskarmadog]

this game has me worried.

we started off so good.

I am not going to see end game. I know that now.