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In post 21, crypto wrote:You're not going to get that so you should probably not use it as an excuse to contribute absolutely nothing for the duration of the day/game.
This is the kind of ad hom attack that I dislike. You call one post within an hour or so of thread opening "dong nothing for the duration etc". It's bullshit and personally offensive.
Noraa, I have nothing against you. I'm well aware that I'm not likely to succeed in this, but I feel it is ethically appropriate to register my objection."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 116, Pine wrote:Blonde Doctor: Are you an alt?
Blonde Doctor, please answer this question. It's actually important."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Yes, I am, actually. The game has been active for just over 27 hours and is chock full of fluff. Forgive me if I don't really feel like getting it on me. That question is important, and I want an answer.
However, I'm quite caught up, I just don't see much worth commenting on. Crypto is being a spammy ass, noraa is working way too hard to defend him while being spammy herself, and you're pushing something you (falsely, though probably genuinely) think is a good meta point on me. Vifam and Red are dicking around a bit scummily, though Red tends to come off a bit scummy regardless of his actual alignment. Matias LOOKS like he's being productive and focused, but he's really good at faking it.
In other words, it's still early RVS. The only solid tell I've spotted so far has to do with the question I asked Blonde Doctor, which I will explain in full when I get an answer.
@Blonde Doctor: Fail to answer my question in your next post, and I will assume you are being intentionally evasive."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 220, Nobody Special wrote:In post 214, noraaa wrote:
Pine- Blondie being an alt or not only matters in-game if they're someone else in game, thus breaking the rule on page one.
Tell me how it matters otherwise? (worth noting that Blondie has not come back since but that isn't confirmation of anything until we see them post again.. however it's been a full two days nearly)
Quoting this so I can answer after Pine does.
Agreed, it matters very significantly. I would rather not elaborate, as that elaboration would possibly have an impact on BD's answer.
Yes, BD could lie, but if that lie is later revealed (say, by accidentally posting with a main account,) then the likelihood of them being scum skyrockets."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 239, Blonde Doctor wrote:In post 147, Pine wrote:In post 116, Pine wrote:Blonde Doctor: Are you an alt?
Blonde Doctor, please answer this question. It's actually important.
I did not mean to miss this the first time, I apologize. I am not.
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Newbie scumtells like a mofo. Go back and read BD's first few posts."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 296, mb53 wrote:I don't think ascummember would really forget who theypretended to thinkwas scum...
Fixed that for you.
Ergo, it's null."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 298, Hiraki wrote:You wouldn't consider that a slip, Pine?
No. Changing one's mind can be analyzed based on motive. Simply forgetting isn't done by either alignment on purpose, so it's null. The former is an act of volition, the latter is not."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 385, Psyche wrote:Your attack is pathetic and offensive and fuck you. Good luck at the whole "lynching me" thing from that.
This is a pretty solid scumpost. Was on the fence on you, Psyche, thanks for clearing it up.
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What the fuck is this recent shite? Keep it in your pants, you two.
In post 606, noraaa wrote:Also this might be moot but. Pine and NS both said they'd respond about Blondie's alt answer no matter what the response was and neither chimed in at all once (s)he responded.
Strictly untrue in regards to me:
In post 286, Pine wrote:In post 239, Blonde Doctor wrote:In post 147, Pine wrote:In post 116, Pine wrote:Blonde Doctor: Are you an alt?
Blonde Doctor, please answer this question. It's actually important.
I did not mean to miss this the first time, I apologize. I am not.
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Newbie scumtells like a mofo. Go back and read BD's first few posts.
I firmly believe that BD's early actions are indicative of nervous, jumpy newbscum. That's the whole reason I asked. If they'd come from someone experienced, I'd be forced to believe they were genuine, as they were just so blatantly obvious and unveiled that I don't think any experienced player would make such blundering errors. But no, BD is a newbie, so they're all legit."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 857, Mogri wrote:I'll give you threegreatreasons why my wagon is bad:
1. I'm town.
2. No one has been able to clearly articulate an argument for my lynch.
3. There are other players for whom there is much better evidence.
And really, what better argument could there be? The people voting for me are even lazier than I am. I've got one guy voting for me because I don't really care who replaced whom, I've got other guys voting for me because that's who they were voting for yesterday, and I have others still voting for who knows what reason. Sign me up. I'm convinced.
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Reason 1 can't be independently substantiated, discard it.
Reason 2 stinks of "caught for the wrong reasons," discard it.
Reason 3 is a nonspecific "anyone but me" cry. If he'd advocated someone specific, that might've been convincing. Discard it.
Reason 4 (lazy voters) is laced heavily with overtly defensive, and again nonspecific, sarcasm. Discard it and burn it with fire."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 925, Mogri wrote:In post 920, petapan wrote:can you literally only post snippy retorts that dodge the point, shut up god damn
This is the kind of airtight argument that has me on the chopping block, ladies and gentlemen.
Which point did I dodge? If you examine it closely, you'll notice that my "snippy retort" addressed the core problem with your argument.
In post 926, Mogri wrote:In post 918, petapan wrote:inte is still terrible and scum but so is mogri, his wagon is larger, this is a nightless game we should kill them both and nobody special can go too why is this so agonizing
Trans:Let's just lynch everyone that anyone suspects and sort it out later.
Yep, this guy suuuuuuuuuure is town, all right.
Translation: "Graaaah, I'm caught for the wrong reasons!""Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 930, crypto wrote:if he's caught for the wrong reasons then fucking vote him.
Correctly caught, but not for what HE considers the right reasons. It happens all the time when scum get wagoned and they can't figure out where they slipped up. Usually they didn't, they got wagoned and reacted badly, so they react even worse, and they get lynched. That's what's happening here. There's a kind of universal "BUT WHY? I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG!" vibe from them. Seriously, Crypto, learning the game is for the Newbie queue.
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In post 941, Mogri wrote:In post 929, Pine wrote:Translation: "Graaaah, I'm caught for the wrong reasons!"
You've said this twice now and I still don't know what you mean. What is the right reason to catch someone?
This is actually an excellent example of what I'm talking about. Techo has started to do it over Kairyuu's vote, too."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 955, crypto wrote:
you are stupid as fuckIn post 947, Pine wrote:Correctly caught, but not for what HE considers the right reasons. It happens all the time when scum get wagoned and they can't figure out where they slipped up. Usually they didn't, they got wagoned and reacted badly, so they react even worse, and they get lynched. That's what's happening here. There's a kind of universal "BUT WHY? I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG!" vibe from them. Seriously, Crypto, learning the game is for the Newbie queue.
Not sure if kidding, or just trolling.
Or a moron yourself."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 930, crypto wrote:if he's caught for the wrong reasons then fucking vote him.
Read this as "if he's caught for the wrong reasons then don't fucking vote him."
Never mind. You're still an asshat, though."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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How about your extremely bad reaction to being wagoned.In post 941, Mogri wrote:In post 929, Pine wrote:Translation: "Graaaah, I'm caught for the wrong reasons!"
You've said this twice now and I still don't know what you mean. What is the right reason to catch someone?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 952, UberNinja wrote:just saiyan
i c wut u did thar"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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@Mogri-This thread is boring and annoying. I don't work hard on threads I don't care about. D1 I was investigating Blonde Doctor (oh yeah, Kairyuu replaced that slot, hmmzorz), D2 I have focused on you, Hiraki, and Techno all in turn. Just because most of the scumhunting was directed at you doesn't make it non-existent.
In other news, I handed in my last final today. This (and my other games) now have a much less divided part of my attention, though Diablo III is about to consume a portion of that."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Srsly. Even if he's Town, he deserves it after that sanctimonious nonsense. Town doesn't give up and say "fuck you" to the rest of Town, they lay down their manifesto, their reads, and everything they can do to help Town once they get vindicated by flip. Look at Umbrage in the recently-finished Gay Mafia. He was a scummy dick and deserved to be lynched, even though he was Town. Then he's spent weeks of post-game lambasting the Town for having lynched him, when he practically put the noose around his own neck. Scum or necessary mislynch, Techno deserves the noose.
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In post 902, Pine wrote:I am instinctively wary of Techno's assertion that NS scum = Hiraki scum. Using absolutes like that...it feels like a trap.
In post 948, Pine wrote:In post 941, Mogri wrote:In post 929, Pine wrote:Translation: "Graaaah, I'm caught for the wrong reasons!"
You've said this twice now and I still don't know what you mean. What is the right reason to catch someone?
This is actually an excellent example of what I'm talking about. Techo has started to do it over Kairyuu's vote, too.
This is "no explanation" in your book, Kairyuu?
Ah, but right. You replaced Blonde Doctor, who was as clearly newbie-scum as I've seen in some time."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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It's been the end of the semester. You'll note that there was a significant dip in my site-wide posting habits around the end of April that has recovered steadily through May, and that in the last week or so, I'm extremely active once again. It's been mostly consistent with this thread.
Give me some good reasons not to immediately label anything coming out of you as misinformation. I had Blonde Doctor as a pretty heavy scumread."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 399, Pine wrote:In post 385, Psyche wrote:Your attack is pathetic and offensive and fuck you. Good luck at the whole "lynching me" thing from that.
This is a pretty solid scumpost. Was on the fence on you, Psyche, thanks for clearing it up.
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Not groundless.
Psyche, for your future scumgames, it is a pretty clear signal that you're scum if you get all blustery and pompous when someone attacks you. Attacking the person instead of their arguments, or simply soldiering on and letting your scumhunting do the talking, is the sign of weak scum."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 1291, crypto wrote:
hey, that's some neat armchair psychology there butIn post 1289, Pine wrote:it is a pretty clear signal that you're scum if you get all blustery and pompous when someone attacks you. Attacking the person instead of their arguments, or simply soldiering on and letting your scumhunting do the talking, is the sign of weak scum.argumenta ad hominemare fallacies, not scum tells. when someone makes anad homattack in a religious debate, it isn't because they're aligned with the mafia. there's no secret clause in the forum mafia bible that says scum must be incompetent/fallacious. if psyche is capable of attacking arguments instead of the people behind them then he will do so as both town and mafia – he won't get in trouble with the big man upstairs if he doesn't go out of his way to act like an idiot when he's mafia. if he is incapable of doing so then he isn't necessarily scum.
Ad homming is scummy. Making logical fallacies is scummy.
In post 1298, inte wrote:In post 1292, UberNinja wrote:In post 1284, Pine wrote:Possible. You have a very good point about the conspiracy to keep NS alive, though. No one seems to admit to thinking he's Town, but neither can any wagon on him seem to gain traction.
EXACTLY MY FUCKING POINT
WHAT THE FUCK
Pine looks slightly townier now
wrong, hes scummier. no vote = cognitive dissonance
i mean, unless you're scum buddies with him. then hats off
guys, whys mafia so easy
pedit: i was on the Nobody Special wagon before it was cool buddy
Saying "Hey, that's odd" is not the same as "OH MY GOD THIS GUY IS SO SCUMMY I'VE GOT TO ABANDON ALL OTHER READS." Lrn 2 attack better."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Hmm. Didn't realize it was so viable until I actually read that vote count (accidentally submitted the above post before I read this page)
@Nobody Special: You've really got to change your meta on this. It's really frustrating to play with you, and you're getting close to policy lynch territory, even for people like me, who happen to like you.
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Because Psyche is using his vote as a weapon, to either scare people off his wagon or start one that will distract from it. He's not actually been consistently voting serious scumreads, which indicates he doesn't really have any."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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1370 was not fencesitting, and if it came off as such, let me rectify that - I think Noraaa's pattern of behavior, who she's pushed and how, and her opportunistic attitude all look scummy to me, and I'd be willing to support a wagon on her"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 1422, inte wrote:These voteless accusations worry me
Then fuck you. If you're seriously pushing the idea that someone can't have more than one scumread at a time, then just fuck you. Lrn 2 mafia"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 1438, UberNinja wrote:In post 1436, Matias wrote:After re-reading BK, I'm sticking with my vote. Everything he posted stuck with a safe stance.
I.... completely agree. I just ISO'd him and you're so right it's scary.
I also seem to be spotting some loose connection between BK201 and noraaa FWIW. I will look into that later.
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Pine has also 100% failed to deliver. He hasn't evenmentionedwhat I asked for yet.
Vote: Pine
This can also be a vote for BK201.
You guys know what to do.
I'll get to it when I damn well get to it. You are not my mother, and I have a busy life. I worked until past midnight, came home and collapsed. I left by 7 AM and was without internet access today as well. I just got home, and forgive me, but I'm going to go play Diablo III until I beat it. Then, if I have time, I'm not too tired, and bloody well feel like it, I'll compose a more complete case on a secondary scumread of mine.
Until then, kindly shove it."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Uberninja, in my opinion there's only one effective scumtell that is consistent with me. If I'm heavily involved in a game and seem to be obsessed, it's because I'm scum and totally preoccupied. I don't like being Town. I prefer scum.
That strike you as applying to this game?
I don't really see a real case on BK. It's weaksauce, and seems to have gained strength as a counterwagon to the correct lynch for today, Psyche."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 1536, UberNinja wrote:Self meta is fucking useless.
So is reading the aftermath of a 100+ page game (including the archive from tiger attack) and thinking you can use it as meta.
I never lie about my meta, either. Who does? It's useless, as a lie will only get you into deeper trouble.
Can someone actually make a cogent case on BK? I haven't see one yet, just drips and drabs that coalesce into a counterwagon against my chief suspect. I mean, look at Psyche's "study". It's clearly bogus. There's no way he actually read the hundred or so games he's suggesting, which makes it more likely that he was skimming of CTRL-F searching them for points to use as weapons rather than actual insight. Notice also the last point of 1545. He says "I'm not scummy," rather than "I'm not scum." Town says the latter, scum says the former."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Scum tends to insist that they're not acting scummy, because they are chiefly concerned withperceptionand how others view them.
Town tends to give a flat denial that they're scum, because 1) They're not concerned about the possibility of a Lie Detector, though this game won't have one, 2) It's the truth, 3) Town tends to be more concerned with facts over others' perceptions of them, and 4) Town is much more likely to admit to their own faults.
I've been admittedly lurky and inattentive in this game, mostly because I just don't care very much about it. You denying that you're even acting scummy when you clearly are is a pretty reasonable scumtell, though it isn't of the strongest variety. Not really strong enough to base a case on, but it's one more point against you.
PE: Statistics are ALWAYS bogus, as are the morons who think they're worth anything. They only become relevant when you take into account an enormous sample size, which you have not. One thousand probably wouldn't be enough, and a hundred damn well isn't, especially when it ends up with a number like 4/10, which is smack dab in the middle of "not statistically relevant.""Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Pine In Your Head
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You're not even telling the truth about your stats now. You didn't search 100 games, you searched for 100 instances of a particular phrase over the course of barely a dozen games. That's not good science, as you would pass it off, it's lazy attack-trolling. Stop trying to pass off weak statistics as a valid substitute for experience. I tried it once, and it invariably is wrong. Statistics are VERY VERY bad at proving anything small, and especially bad at proving human behavior, which is exceptionally variable. The only good statistics are for human behavior is in making general statements about LARGR populations, which we don't have on this site. It completely fails when asked to judge the actions of an individual based on a half-assed study of a minute population. Real statisticians know this, which is why they never try, except in the aforementioned large trends.
You're going to be forgiven for this, as you're what? Sixteen? Seventeen? Still in high school at any rate, and trying to apply basic principles from your introductory classes in higher mathematics.
Also because you're scum, and I always applaud valiant efforts by scum at creating something from nothing."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Pine In Your Head
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