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You know me, but I'm just in a hydra.In post 16, jbomber732 wrote:yay for rvs!Vote Bluebecause hes the only person in the game I remember
But, Hi, I'm Mala also known as the Evil Queen this game. This is how you'll tell Peng and I apart.~-
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Hmmmm.
Two players in one account who share the same role PM. They are fun and a learning experience.In post 28, burn_209 wrote:This is my first game with a "hydra." What are they and why do people do them? Lol
A PineApple Under the Sea.In post 30, Antihero wrote:
6 months and you don't know what a hydra isIn post 28, burn_209 wrote:This is my first game with a "hydra." What are they and why do people do them? Lol
...what rock have you been living under?
Need to talk to Peng, but starting not to like Bob.~
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Other head checking in. Early reads:
Town:
jbomber--liked his early willingness to go against the grain with a Hopkirk town read and his seeming to be happy at knowing someone in the game from his comment to Mala.
KK--I like his forthrightness out the gate, and his annoyance with notscience running interference reads genuine. Glad he moved on from kvetching about the hydras/anonymous hydras. But I don't follow his reads list in 157. Especially having Bob and Hopkirk as town?
Antihero--very tentative read given how poorly I usually read him, but his attitude is pretty casual, willing to confront scum suspects without getting bogged down. I'd like to see more of his reasoning, but at least it seems to be there as in 77
beastcharizard--not resting on his Hopkirk vote. He's still trying to sort him more definitively and discussing the read with other players. Town who wants to get it right, not scum happy to coast.
GreyICE--willing to put him as town for now. Pushes feel sincere with about the level of support I'd expect from him.
PV--engaged PV is likely town-PV. Not worried about him beyond that, as I tend to think I read him better the deeper into the game he goes.
Scum:
Bob--avoids engaging on points, like the coaching accusation. Dismisses people citing earlier games of his without elaboration.
Hopkirk--worries about justification for a vote from GreyICE on page three. But not worried about all the other votes on relatively flimsy pretexts. Also way more interested in 'winning' arguments than trying to communicate. This isn't a town mindset. (...which is what Antihero is saying. More points to Antihero-town above)
Katarina--mild scum read. Just not liking the half-assed Antihero scum read she pulls out to ignore the criticism of her joining the Hopkirk wagon.
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Twisted Advice, as per 45, how much stock do you put in your gut reads? And what on earth did you (Vizier) like about our 33? Mala quoted a post with no elaboration, explained what a hydra was, and made some jokes while citing the need to talk to me without moving our vote. Iago-head not liking the first quote rings way more authentically, and I don't get why you'd feel differently.
Katarina, why so much fluff, proportionally speaking? Why are you scumreading Antihero?
MonkeyMan, why this:
Your open-ended question about Grey claiming Jester draws no conclusion or line of inquiry really, so why ask it? Do you think it's a scum move from him or not?In post 72, MonkeyMan576 wrote:You're right.
A) I am town
B) I didn't read the setup, and corrected my mistake.
So it seems Grey is claiming Jester without a Jester as a role?
Guzame, you read all eight pages, and the most interesting thing you found was that there were hydras? So, the OP. If you're really that interested in the merits of hydras, there are MD threads for that. Comments on the game content, please.
VOTE: Katarina LeBlanc
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So what did you get? What's your current read on GreyICE?In post 189, MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I was trying to get a responce from other players. I like to get other people's opinions before I draw conculsions for the most part. I don't necessarily think it is scummy, but I do know Jesters are rare on this site, so it is suspicious.Turkish Van wrote: Your open-ended question about Grey claiming Jester draws no conclusion or line of inquiry really, so why ask it? Do you think it's a scum move from him or not?
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Just think of hydras as one player, but sometimes they don't always agree with each other reads, but others tend to take the discussion in regards to that elsewhere and not in the thread.In post 140, jbomber732 wrote:This is my first non-newbie game, so I'm a bit confused with some things, such as hydras. But I'm a quick learner and hopefully you don't judge me just because im less experienced.
Also, I'm curious though, why do you care what others think of you?
I noted the same thing with PereV. My last completed game he ended up being engaged and active and I thought it was a towntell for him and it turned out he was some type of third party. So here's where my read with PereV kinda meshes up with yours. I'm not going to be so quick to call him town, but I'm not going to be so quick to call him scum either.In post 144, beastcharizard wrote:
Twisted kind of looks town.
Anti is probably town.
PV isn't lurking so it is worrying me some.
Hopkirk is scum.
I actually like Twisted for town.
I'm not sure if I agree on Hopkirk, but I need to go grab some old games on his playstyle.
The same goes for you because you seem to have improved from our last two encounters in the enchanted forest. (This is a good thing.)
Ftr, someone playing the newb card doesn't make them scum.In post 158, beastcharizard wrote:It was clearly RVS. Metal was the only one not confirmed at that point so I used it as my fun reason.
I know the following players from another site as well:
notscience
Katarina
Hopkirk
Metal Sonic
I like choosing them as my RVS targets if I am in a game with them.
Can you explain your reads please? Kat has said like 2 things and Metal has said like 1 thing yet one is slight scum and the other needs more? Neither have posted content so i am curious how you got those reads. I agree with the jbomber scum read only because they played the new card and their reads don't make much sense to me. How is Hopkirk town exactly?
Where's PereV at all in this list as you seem to not have put his name in a list. I don't agree with the quick scumread on BC, can you explain that for me? Also how is Bob a townread?In post 157, Kublai Khan wrote:
Early Reads:
Townish: Bicephalous Bob, Twisted Advice, Hopkirk
Need further study: Lords of the Unreal, mafiaSSK, burn_209, Metal Sonic, notsience, Turkish Van, Guzame?
slight scum: Katarina LeBlanc, beastcharizard, Antihero, MonkeyMan576
Strongest scum-feelings: GreyICE, jbomber732
I don't really like this post at all. When you first posted your RVS I thought maybe you accidentally slipped in RVS'ing a buddy and his name is different in the mafia QT than it is in the game. There's just something about this post that I don't like at all.In post 177, jbomber732 wrote:@kk I voted bob in the RVS, not because of any scumread. I already said that before. I mentioned that I thought there was someone in the game named blue and I voted for them cuz i dont lke that color. I realized there wasnt and changed my RV. I'm sorry that I can't expand my townread on hop, but i get town vibes from him.
I dislike this post also, does this make me scum?In post 193, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:It's more of a gut whoever doesn't agree with me is probably-scum and I didn't like the tone of his posts reading back :3I also hate how you reacted to Antihero, but ignored the vote placed on you by my partner.
I dislike this fast sheep. Baaaaaa goes Prince Charming before he was Prince Charming.In post 206, MonkeyMan576 wrote:jbomber brings up a good point. There has been lots of activity so far not to have any scumreads.
FOS: Guzame
Explain please?In post 207, GreyICE wrote:PSA: Monkey is town
Shush about this game. Do not reference it again until I let you know it's safe to do.In post 239, jbomber732 wrote:*sigh* Ok listen. Just because I don't act the way a town should most of the time, doesn't mean that I'm not town. Frankly, I act so scummy, and I even know it. You can ask mala, who in a previous game saw this exact thing happen to me. That's why I was excited mala was here, because there'd be someone who knows how I play, and wouldn't be so fast to jump on me.
(You aren't allowed to reference ongoing games even in the slightest. You are new so this is your first warning, but the next time it happens it won't be a warning. So, please don't reference anything until you see a title "Game Over" in the game you are referencing.)
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I am Mala, why would I lie to you about that?In post 254, jbomber732 wrote:Ok I think you're mala, so the reason I said that I didn't want anyone to judge me for being newbie is that I thought it might influence their reads in some way. I voted for "blue" because for some reason I thought there was someone named blue in the game. Also, what is a mafia QT? In the game where I was mafia I don't remember a "QT" And sorry I didn't know that I couldn't reference other games. But what I said doesn't really matter at all does it?
You keep changing your reason for your RVS vote and can't keep your story straight, you do know that right?
This was your first post and your RVS. You voted them because it was the only person in the game you remember.In post 16, jbomber732 wrote:yay for rvs!Vote Bluebecause hes the only person in the game I remember
Then you quickly unvoted when you realized you slipped up and your reaction was pretty bad:
Then you added here that you voted them because you didn't like the color.
Anyways, I decided to pull up the only mafia game on this site. You probably don't remember the mafia QT because you never posted in it. it's hereIn post 177, jbomber732 wrote:@kk I voted bob in the RVS, not because of any scumread. I already said that before. I mentioned that I thought there was someone in the game named blue and I voted for them cuz i dont lke that color. I realized there wasnt and changed my RV. I'm sorry that I can't expand my townread on hop, but i get town vibes from him.
Also what you said does matter. We can't speak regarding it so don't reference it again until it's called. You are a new player and I like you. I rather not see you suspended for a rookie mistake like this when it can easily be avoided.
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Why do you care about our opinion that much? But sure, we'll call you town as long as you keep amusing us. Gut doubts you'd throw yourself onto our radar like that as scum. More seriously, you do tend to become clear cut sooner rather than later, so I'm not overly worried about you wriggling away.In post 261, notscience wrote:Hey Mala
You and peng should have a long discussion about the following topics
1) Why isn't ns in our townreads yet
2) When we put him in our townreads do we put him in the "holy fuck he's town" slot, the "obvtown" slot, or the "holy fuck he's obvtown" slot
Can someone on the hopkirk wagon (I'd prefer one of the later votes) explain why it's a thing? "Bcoz he's scummy" is not an answer.
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Do you see MafiaSSK as non-lynchbait?In post 303, notscience wrote:Then both of you get your heads out of your asses and put your vote on something that isn't lynchbait
Kublai Khan, given your deteriorated read on Hopkirk, how does that impact your take on beastcharizard's interactions with Hopkirk? And I kind of follow what you mean about Hopkirk having odd logic patterns. Things like claiming that one vote was a reaction test does seem to come from a town mindset of wanting to incite interaction/reactions, even if the execution is shoddy. What I'm having trouble deciding is whether this is genuine or scum covering for a bizarre play. I seem to recall seeing newish players claim to be reaction testing before and capitalizing on their unclear execution as scum, so I'm interested in hearing what parts of Hopkirk's postings you think are town motivated.
As far as Bob goes, his play reads as incredibly anti-town. I don't see anything in particular that makes me think he's town, but I'm also not sure what motivation he'd have as scum to play that way. Mala was saying in a brief convo that Bob has played this way as scum before, but I want to look into it myself.
Grey, I'm not sure about Khan right now; I agree that his stances are less than solid, but I'm also seeing some genuine attempts to figure people out in the process. I disagree about jbomber quite a bit though. His reaction to you calling him out on not voting doesn't read scummy. He eventually places a vote but didn't exactly leap to appease you in the process. I'd expect scum to move one way or hte other, especially with the slight town read on you he professed right around the time you called him out. Brown-nosing scum seem more likely to do that along with placing a vote, or get paralyzed and not vote at all.
Antihero, you discuss the appeasing thing in 237. Looking at it along with his subsequent play, do you still think jbomber is scum trying to placate his critics?
Katarina, why do you make no attempts to convince others you're voting scum or engage with anyone?
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What gets me about Kublai Khan's stance on Hopkirk and beast is that he doesn't have a clear read on Hopkirk any longer (citing post 174 as bad enough to throw his town read on Hopkirk into doubt) but he's still drawing conclusions about beast from beast's interactions with Hopkirk. The logic presented is disjointed in a way that could come from scum being artificial or town considering multiple angles. That he pings as town for other aspects of his play (willingness to be antagonistic, mostly) makes me lean town in his motivations.In post 340, Antihero wrote:
this would be good if khan was... i don't know.. an "intermediate" player (like me)In post 337, Turkish Van wrote:Grey, I'm not sure about Khan right now; I agree that his stances are less than solid, but I'm also seeing some genuine attempts to figure people out in the process. I disagree about jbomber quite a bit though. His reaction to you calling him out on not voting doesn't read scummy. He eventually places a vote but didn't exactly leap to appease you in the process. I'd expect scum to move one way or hte other, especially with the slight town read on you he professed right around the time you called him out. Brown-nosing scum seem more likely to do that along with placing a vote, or get paralyzed and not vote at all.
given his join date, i would think his scum game has advanced beyond that
what i said before about beast and the hard line defense of bob bugs me, but you're saying that you think it's an attempt to figure something out?
Bob comes off as low-hanging fruit upon first read, and if one was more sold on other scum reads, I could see dismissing him as such. But there's such strong anti-town play there that I don't buy town-Bob. Kublai Khan wanting a case on him does show a lack of motivation, given how straightforward Bob's ISO is.
I guess what it boils down to is that I want to see where Kublai goes from here. Right now the town vibes are overriding the questionable content for me. And IIRC, the last time I saw Kublai play, he was in a Pick Your Poison game as an IC who got run up to the point where he claimed D1. I didn't read the game carefully due to limited duration, but I'll put it on the list to see if there's overlap between here and there.
...I think we've established that I at least read you for shit when you're scum. Your call if that's more due to my lousy town play or your selectively good scum play; I'm not picky.In post 343, Antihero wrote:actually, just had a look at khan's profile and it's about comparable to mine. i have a pretty unusually crappy scum game, though.
whatever. the last line of the above post still stands. my general point was that any scumbag who isn't terrible could pretty easily evade penny's scumtells
We're still working with limited info here given early Day One, and I tend to think that scum still have general motives and goals regardless of scum tells' accuracy.
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Penguin and I have been discussing Jbomber. I was pushing something at first that I thought could be a scum-slip, but Jbomber's following posts after that read town. So no more discussing that. Jbomber is town as simple as that.
Jbomber, please do not discuss anything else related to the other game. Not even that we share a QT. We are both on thin ice right now. Please, please I ask this of you.
Everyone else let it go or else I will throw a fireball at you and I'm not afraid to do it.
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Like I said, I didn't read the whole game because I replaced into the claimed one-shot cop slot overnight and the last scum got quicklynched the next day. Just checked out the generalities of what happened. Interesting choice to get yourself run up as the IC, but one can hardly argue with the outcome of a game that lynched all three scum by the end of Day Three.In post 363, Kublai Khan wrote:And your summary of the Pick Your Poison game you saw me in is inaccurate. I played in a way to get myself run up Day 1 because I was an Innocent Child. I figured it was a free Day 1 bandwagon. I'm going to assume that your description wasn't an attempt at a misrep.
So I'll assume that you're quite capable of not being scummy when town, good to know.
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I don't really see Khan as scum.In post 382, GreyICE wrote:Why are people not voting to lynch Khan?
I really am curious.
PV - your list is the most confusing thing ever
If you say your case is based on meta can you link me to games that back that up, please?
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Don't like this post~In post 428, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Sorry, I have been dumbfounded by the lack of activity. Bicephalous Bob, Hopkirk, beastcharizard, and burn_209 would all be fine lynches in my book.
You are amazed by the lack of activity, yet your last post was like 2-3 days and yet you are also to blame for this lack of activity because you come back with posts like this that have zero substance of scumhunting~
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In post 434, MonkeyMan576 wrote:1) This is day 1, how much content do you expect?
2) I was plenty active at the beginning of the day, there is no rule saying hyperactivity is the best way to catch scum.
3) What exactly have you done to scumhunt?
1) Enough so we can analyze information on flips. What do you expect for a large game?
2) You might have been active, but you certainly weren't aggressive. I never said hyperactivity, but hell better showing of scum hunting from other players would be grand. There's some that are doing nothing and fading into the background and no one is doing anything about it.
3) Are you expecting to magically gather a scum flip by doing nothing?
More than you, apparently. Enough to gather that we have niggles of varying degrees of reads. Others we want to see more from.
@Mod:Can you prod the people that need prodding.
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I'm not just taking random guesses. I'm at least debating and calling people out about posts/lists/reads to get reactions to get myself one step closer to figuring out who's scum and who's town.
I have a similar playstyle, but I don't just observe because I engage before I come to conclusions.
But yet again... you are missing my point entirely.
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Previous post from Mala.
MonkeyMan576, I assume your stances on Bob and Hopkirk haven't changed. But what about beastcharizard and burn_209? beast still doesn't seem like scum to me, and nothing about burn stands out as scummy. Frankly that Katarina's on beast is enough to keep me the hell off that wagon right now.
jbomber, the question is though that when you voted Guzame, he also could have been dumb scummy town, as you put it. Him replacing out doesn't change that, and it's not like your single vote was going to crush the spirit of the replacement player we get.
Twisted Advice, PV-wise, I've seen him play on the passive side as scum or town. I tend to think that deviations from that are more likely to come from a town place. Yeah, he was more pro-town in Anything Goes as a third party entity, but he also had a lot of cover with some very loud scum and town players. Mala might disagree, but I'm inclined to take advantage of PV being pro-town in his activity, even if I'm watching for signs I'm being misled. If he's scum I have faith in being able to figure it out eventually.
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^ You forgot us. I know, we're very boring.
Why are a lot of your reads in the form of assuming people are good scum? It's an odd characterization.
I think beast is town. Mala isn't 100% on that. Katarina-wise, I'm sticking with the vote for now because I just can't stand the way she's reveling in not playing the game. The sticking point I'd that I'm not sure scum have motive to play like that. But such a thought goes double for town, so then I'm back to wanting her dead.In post 455, notscience wrote:Mala/PA what are you guys thinking regarding (beast, Katarina)
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In post 476, GreyICE wrote:In post 468, mnemonicdevice wrote:Greetings and Hello everyone!
Sorry that guzame didn't post anything of content.
Ashmed Tell, 100% autolynch
Vote: mnemonicdevice
Free day 1 scum lynchI saw this too. If there was any doubt I felt you weren't town it's gone now. I think you're town.~
Also I'm getting weird feelings about the bob wagon now. Not sure if its due to who's on it or how fast it built or both.
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Alrighty, now that I had time to actually sit down and take a quick skim of ALL Mnem's game that he has replaced into in the past is that as town he has not come close to dropping an Amished Tell like he did. The closest thing however to it was this:
Which in itself is different.~In post 483, mnemonicdevice wrote:Alright. I didn't get to read again this morning, but should tonight. I will post then.
Also, I side with Jason on that TSO did nothing wrong.
I'm actually a lot happier with my vote on him than I was when I casted it at lunch time.
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It's more something to do with GreyICE and I being a MasonLover in Cabds game. Just this game his approach is very similar to how he approached that game. Although we were confirmed town to each other and had day talk there so we were in constant contact with each other. He's scum hunting and it feels genuine to me and his response to meta is the same too~.-
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mnemonicdevice, your analysis is recapping players' ISOs, not analysis. And interacting with a player, challenging their reads, or questioning them doesn't make them a scum read. Mala's a bit leery of MonkeyMan576 last we actually talked about him (this was some time ago) but I'm not scum reading him myself. I do want to get more info from him.
Your play here though is anomalous. I've seen you in a few games now, although not for more than a single day phase ever, but always as town. And your posts have had some attempts at analysis, not this busywork tone.
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In post 576, mnemonicdevice wrote:Two things:
One: can someone tell me what the amished tell is? is it on the wiki?
Two: I still don't understand why some people think I'm a better lynch than bob. Instead of claiming, he stalled until votes moved somewhere else. And, he hasn't even attempted to be remotely helpful.
It's basically when a player comments on the scummiest of the processor after they have replaced in.
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Fucking sick of this shit. if you join a game then play it, if you don't want to play then replace out. This goes for Kat also and those who aren't playing like they should.In post 582, Metal Sonic wrote:I lied. I always forget I am on this game and forget to read it-
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Grey wasnt in the last game.In post 661, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:Oh man I get to be first.
This is the second game I've seen Grey die n1. PeregrineV died first as well in the 1st Knight's Errant, right? ThIS mUst BE A CLUE
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One is pretty going. The other people are talking about, but explain twisted? I'm reading him as Slighty town.In post 716, Hopkirk wrote:Bob, mafia ssk and twisted- these would be nice lynches.
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It's Mala I'm just constricted to a phone so can't image GiF.In post 720, Antihero wrote:oh hey penny and/or mala
so, are you going to be the ones to break this groupthink circle jerk and vote khan with me?
Maybe, I'm not really seeing Bob as mainly scummy.
Also I dislike that Monkey is trying to start a wagon based on saying grey was killed for a threat when he lead the wagon on Mnemonic at a time where it wasn't needed and the momentum shifted which makes it very unlikely that the push would have been a scum push.
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Khan's D1 didn't end up doing much, but I don't mind his Katarina vote, and I'd like to see what he does having presumably vented his spleen at Twisted Advice and without the argument potential with GreyICE.In post 720, Antihero wrote:oh hey penny and/or mala
so, are you going to be the ones to break this groupthink circle jerk and vote khan with me?
On the other hand, looking at the VC from the end of the day, Katarina-scum means there were three scum on Bob. Which, um. Maybe if she's the SK who wouldn't have been in tune with Mafia. It does make me like the current Bob wagon less.
What happened to this?In post 603, Antihero wrote:
...and here comes scumbuddy bob, giving zombie man the "OMG, i'm mislynchedIn post 601, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
this "clarification" was both hilarious and townishIn post 580, mnemonicdevice wrote:Not whether or not they are scum
mneu are you often lynched as townall the time, poor me" out.
Also, 380. He put Guzame/mnemonic at the end of his better off dead list. He also has Bob and MafiaSSK there. Not sure he'd set up more than one buddy like that. Counterpoint is that it was early with time to back off.
Regardless, PV's ISO doesn't look like Bob is a partner, which makes the wagon bad. Probably panicky scum going for an easy mislynch with regroup time/set up further mislynches.
Hopkirk or Monkeyman576 would be all right. Hopkirk looks worse today to me. Mala agrees, so.
VOTE: Hopkirk
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Right, I agree. So what do you think of Katarina and Hopkirk?In post 729, Antihero wrote:it was bluster. i ripped a page from kuribo's playbook: everyone not killing what i'm killing is scum. (see: metal sonic) again, i don't think bob is likely groupscum.
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This rubs me the wrong way. Not sure if it's fishing or just in general. If you think someone slipped insider information, why did you automatically jump that it has to beIn post 738, Twisted Advice wrote:Apologies for my lack of presence yesterday. The affairs of the kingdom and various other real life issues took precedence. I should be here with more consistency now.
Metal Sonic, could you explain post 730 and 731 for me? It looks suspiciously like you slipped insider information and tried to cover it with nonsensical jabbering as appears to be your trademark.
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~The Royal Vizierscumdropping insider information. Isn't town just as likely to do it also?
I feel like he did this last knight game to with the BP
Not really terrible no, it's a decent scumhunting tech.In post 744, Bicephalous Bob wrote:yeah but relying on slips is terrible
anyway khan was the only one to seriously respond to my rambling about pv
that would be the worst thing to do if he was scum
but maybe I'm giving him too much credit
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Can you explain why you want those three people dead? Can you explain why Day 1 you decided to skate, but are currently putting a wedge in not skating by anymore..?
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Two scum role blockers?In post 711, Metal Sonic wrote:Ok I just spent 10 minutes and took a look at the board
There are 2 scum role blockers
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In post 748, Turkish Van wrote:
Two scum role blockers?In post 711, Metal Sonic wrote:Ok I just spent 10 minutes and took a look at the board
There are 2 scum role blockers
No wonder it was difficult possibilities. Look like we must wait for another scum to flip.
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Reasons for Khan and Hopkirk please?In post 774, jbomber732 wrote:I scum read mafia ssk, bob (duh) and (very lightly) monkey man
Meanwhile khan, me, hop, and katarina are all town, so unvote off of them please.
Katarina, your town reads are yourself, jbomber (who's obviously not getting lynched today) and Bob. And your reasoning on Bob is...that we lynched Mafia yesterday so any other wagons must be town. Never mind the possibilities of Bob-SK or Bob-Mafia PR. Or hell, Mafia goon Bob who took a backseat to the scummier mnemonic device.
And I object to you not doing anything to actually further your supposed scum reads. The Khan vote is unconvincing. After you've done nothing the whole game, expecting other people to dance attendance on your scum reads is absurd.
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Vote Count 2.05
Kublai Khan (5) - Antihero, Metal Sonic, Katarina LeBlanc, Bicephalous Bob, beastcharizard
Bicephalous Bob (2) - jbomber732, MafiaSSK
Hopkirk (2) - MonkeyMan576, Turkish Van
Katarina LeBlanc (1) - Kublai Khan
Metal Sonic (1) - Twisted Advice
MafiaSSK (1) - Hopkirk
Not Voting (3) - notscience, Lords of the Unreal, burn_209
15 alive, 8 to lynch.
Deadline is May 4th, 3:20 PM EST.
Countdown:
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And Katarina?In post 797, Kublai Khan wrote:
Post 596In post 794, Antihero wrote:
right...In post 780, Kublai Khan wrote:Katarina LeBlanc and MonkeyMan576 are most likely to flip scum according to my re-read.
a sentence or two about this...?
notscience, your obvtown status has gone to hell in a handbasket. I want your actual take on Bob now, since last time he was null for you but you were willing to sheep the people on his wagon.
Looking over PV's ISO, I like our Hopkirk vote more, given that PV went after him for weak stuff early on and then entirely dropped him.
MS, why first assume that scummy vibes stem from a playstyle conflict rather than from a player having received a scum role PM?
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:rolls eyes: Assuming you're talking to us, a) I'm asking KK why he's scum reading you, b) I have no interest in a town block, never mind determining who's in it, and c) oddly enough I don't think you're scum for some stuff that's gone down this day phase. I do think you're damn unhelpful town, and I'd like to see that change, as my impression of you from our brief time together in Micro 273 was that you were competent. And I read some of a large theme you were in too (Touhou) and had a favorable impression.In post 800, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:ER, why are you so bloodthirsty for me. You seem to think you can leash me up and have me kneel for you as if you're controlling who is and isnt in the townblock.
That just makes me more prone to messing with you :3
Although points for the creepy image...
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If you think Bob is the SK, why not vote him? Lynching the SK gives us minimum four day phases to catch the last two scum before we'd run into LyLo in the worst-case scenario, precluding PRs that stop NKs. I don't agree on Bob-SK based on some things today, but with two Mafia flipped, eliminating a NK puts us in a great situation.
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Prod dodge basically.
burn looks just OK to me aside from 'not wanting to risk' lynching someone he thinks could be the SK. I'm listening if anyone has points on him beyond bleeding towniness from his orifices one way or the other. But I still like our Hopkirk vote.
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Sorry, I'm not super-coherent in the morning. Was reading everything that had been said since the last time I read the game, and Antihero's ambivalent read on burn was the only thing I found particularly interesting/discussion-worthy. Since the Twisted Advice-Antihero squabbling made my eyes glaze over.In post 874, beastcharizard wrote:It was my scum day but thanks bomber.
Turkish, was there a reason you commented on burn that I am missing? It seems completely random and out of place to me.
Being reminded of burn brought up that I think I shuttled him over to the town group in my mind, but for the life of me I'm not sure why. Just trying not to let things go under the radar in my brain.
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I differ with you here; any positives I had on MonkeyMan576 are getting stale quickly.In post 920, Twisted Advice wrote:What's with you and voting really townie players, Kublai Khan?
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Um, Metal Sonic, read 913 again. I don't think it means what you think it means.
notscience, we're lynching Hopkirk for being unrefuted scum, although if Kublai Khan keeps saying silly things his grace period might run out. Or if you don't start trying to earn our town read, I'd toss you on the gallows too. Or SSK for being a useless wagoner. Count me among those who would like Lords to give an updated read on SSK, FTR.
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What does this have to do with anything? I'd rather hear what you think of ns, especially after you voted SSK as 'most likely to go through'In post 968, Hopkirk wrote:
What do you think of ssk?In post 960, Turkish Van wrote:Getting bored waiting for ns to be useful.
VOTE: notscience
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In post 882, Kublai Khan wrote:Can we shit-can all SK-hunting talk? Because it's the most anti-town thing to do.
Yes, the SK has a night-kill and can kill townies. Sure, whatever. But right now the night fighting is the mafia trying to kill the SK and vice-versa. As long as both need to kill each other, they are (or should) be leaving the towniest players alone and going after the lurkers and the anti-town. If we try to and succeed in lynching the SK, then the mafia can switch to hunting and eliminating town PRs.
So anyone trying to lynch a serial killer right now is hurting town. So, let's stop being dumb.
Please tell me you aren't serious about this?
I really don't see this at all. Does a GreyICE kill by mafia look like SK-hunting? Yes, there's some truth to this statement because the SK did hit mafia, but I don't see as night Mafia vs. SK, I just don't.
This post is all full of wrong and makes me want to warrant a vote on you due to it.
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Listen to me closely. We actually are ahead of plan this game than we were last game. We have two mafia out of four gone by not even Night 2. We caught the SK last game only because Beast claimed trying to night kill and failing. Town actually got fucken lucky last game due to that. Then we caught the last scum due to a guilty from the SK if I'm remembering correctly.In post 979, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:
What.In post 977, Turkish Van wrote:In post 882, Kublai Khan wrote:Can we shit-can all SK-hunting talk? Because it's the most anti-town thing to do.
Yes, the SK has a night-kill and can kill townies. Sure, whatever. But right now the night fighting is the mafia trying to kill the SK and vice-versa. As long as both need to kill each other, they are (or should) be leaving the towniest players alone and going after the lurkers and the anti-town. If we try to and succeed in lynching the SK, then the mafia can switch to hunting and eliminating town PRs.
So anyone trying to lynch a serial killer right now is hurting town. So, let's stop being dumb.
Please tell me you aren't serious about this?
I really don't see this at all. Does a GreyICE kill by mafia look like SK-hunting? Yes, there's some truth to this statement because the SK did hit mafia, but I don't see as night Mafia vs. SK, I just don't.
This post is all full of wrong and makes me want to warrant a vote on you due to it.
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I sort of agree with his post because lynching the SK is a lot easier said than done unless there are actual results, tells or slips. An SK has almost the same information as a villager and has enough motive to take shots in the dark because that's their objective. Unlike Mafia where they have the underlying fact that they have to preserve their members.
You can think anyone is an SK but that's just solely relying on gut,especiallyat this far in the game. That's part of the reason I don't want out who my gut feeling for SK is, because I don't actually have basis on it.
Please do though tell me that you guinely believe that our N1 kills were fraction hunting each other. Do you actually believe that...?
Having both of them alive and not eliminating the deaths at Noght by 1 helps both of them not given them a disadvantage.
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No, you are being very nitpicky over the wording to be totally blunt. If you notice my previous paragraph I was talking about Knight I so I was explaining the difference of how games events were going on including the night kills and I was talking about both kills together in a plural sense. I only had a few minutes before work and really pressed for time so instead of writing out 'mafia kill' and 'SK kill' at Night 1 were fractions hunting each other so I just threw it as 'our'.In post 991, beastcharizard wrote: @Turkish:
Your wording in the above posts comes from the mind set of not town. You said our kills which implies on of the kills was yours. I am really not liking how you look right now.
I don't see how my post doesn't come from the mindset of anything else, but town.
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I agree, but a) we have some time, and b) by wagon, we apparently have a total of two votes. No one else seems willing to see Hopkirk's scumminess. If you think you can do more to convince people, I'd be happy with his lynch today.In post 971, beastcharizard wrote:Look, both ns and Hopkirk are doing nothing. I would rather lynch the one who is actively doing nothing rather than the one who is not even posting. We get a lot more information off of the Hopkirk lynch so put your vote back on that wagon.
So what does feel town about him to you?In post 973, jbomber732 wrote:I'd like to hear everyones opinion on burn. I feel like hes pretty town, but he posts not very often and some of his posts seem a bit artificial.
SSK never does much in my experience. notscience made a big deal a bit wanting us specifically to town read him and has been coasting since. I know he's capable of being more useful as town, and his choice not to be so far is an abberation worth pursuing.In post 981, Hopkirk wrote:
Because what you said about notscience is the same criticisms you could make of ssk so i'd like to see if one is being consistent.In post 970, Turkish Van wrote:
What does this have to do with anything? I'd rather hear what you think of ns, especially after you voted SSK as 'most likely to go through'In post 968, Hopkirk wrote:
What do you think of ssk?In post 960, Turkish Van wrote:Getting bored waiting for ns to be useful.
VOTE: notscience
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Not addressed to me, but at this point I'm finding it weird that AJ isn't doing anything. Not a 'hey, will catch up soon' or 'hey, here's my claim' or even 'hey, don't lynch me until I can catch up and claim.'In post 1104, Antihero wrote:khan, would you mind doing me a solid and summarizing the case on monkey for me?
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...didn't realize the time that had elapsed between replacement and now. Everyone wanting him to claim made me think it had been more than :checks: 30 hours.In post 1121, Antihero wrote:
he hasn't posted site-wide since thursday, pennyIn post 1109, Turkish Van wrote:
Not addressed to me, but at this point I'm finding it weird that AJ isn't doing anything. Not a 'hey, will catch up soon' or 'hey, here's my claim' or even 'hey, don't lynch me until I can catch up and claim.'In post 1104, Antihero wrote:khan, would you mind doing me a solid and summarizing the case on monkey for me?
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also, khan's scum
Not super-eager for claim then, more interested in what he has to say first about game impressions.
KK-wise, he's not convincing me of his towniness certainly. Depending on how AJ looks I might be persuaded to turn the heat up on KK.
Also have to check in with Mala; I've been a delinquent hydra partner...
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So it's been a while since I've played with AJ, but I think he's the one who claimed cop as Mafia traitor in NY 161 and got two townies lynched for the eventual win. That kind of attitude implies to me that if he thought he was near a lynch he wouldn't be claiming VT. Scum's down a PR, and town is at full strength. Mafia should be able to track the possible knight jumps that could connect their two PRs. (like if they assume their roleblocker is from the upper right corner, the next jump can only go to cop or town BP, and the jump after that has to connect with their second PR; same process with the other roleblocker square) making it worth trying to fish out a claim or brazen it out with a fake PR claim as scum.
Not interested in an AJ lynch any more.
notscience, what's your read on Katarina that you're holding your vote over her head?
VOTE: Hopkirk
Nothing in his posts says town, nothing's changed. Wagon is very likely on scum, and we get good info from it even if I'm wrong.
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Where are you up too?
Also I want to say I'm not sure if lynching LoTu is the right approach. Something about taking the whole Kirk 'mafia rb'er' claim seriously struck OTT to me. I might agree with a SSK lynch, but I feel like we are PL'ing more of a lurker than anything else. This is my opinion of both wagons, tbh.
I haven't liked cho's posts so far.
Hasn't read up yet is still willing to jump on a wagon that's up in numbers. Feels opportunist and scummy.
As of late jbomber has been giving me bad feels and Anti-hero has become a non presence.
Khan and MS are both town, i think. Rest are kinda up in the air. Besides the townread I had on Muffin for his previously slots posts~
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I see a metric fuckton of votes on LotU and SSK, but no reasoning from them really, which is quite odd.
I would like a case. Give me a pretty case, and I'll see about getting Mala to let us vote that way.
Yes, I could make cases, but I'm more interested in what the two votees come up with beyond 'iz scum, die naow.'
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Not feeling like any cases beyond 'lurking' and 'voting me' have materialized from LotU or SSK. Would like that rectified.In post 1333, Turkish Van wrote:I see a metric fuckton of votes on LotU and SSK, but no reasoning from them really, which is quite odd.
I would like a case. Give me a pretty case, and I'll see about getting Mala to let us vote that way.
Yes, I could make cases, but I'm more interested in what the two votees come up with beyond 'iz scum, die naow.'
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I'm aware of the cases. I'm more interested in why the two suspects in question, despite knowing one another so well apparently and cross-voting, don't have coherent cases to present that I can find.In post 1457, Kublai Khan wrote:
Cho should answer this question too.In post 1455, zMuffinMan wrote:who else do you think is scum, ms?
Turkish Van should iso me for answers as to why Lords of the Unreal is scum instead of being lazy.
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