NY175: Sycamore Scuffle

reinoe · Post Post #27 (isolation #0) » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:45 am

/Confirm

reinoe · Post Post #69 (isolation #1) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:37 am

post 50 is possibly the worst intro I've ever seen. Setup speculation, suspicious FoS, throwing paranoia around. It's got just about everything I don't want to see.

VOTE: Wake88

reinoe · Post Post #79 (isolation #2) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:41 am

In post 70, Wake1 wrote:

Reinoe's vote is crappy, too. This is Day 1, folks. Day 1 is nothing
but
paranoia and speculation.

@farside as well...

I try to always explain my vote. It's almost as if you guys would have preferred naked vote, which is just not my style.

Setup speculation is a dumb timewaster that people do to look busy. And I find that paranoia increases as the game goes on not decreases. That's my personal experience, maybe some other folks are different.

reinoe · Post Post #487 (isolation #3) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:08 pm

posting from my phone.

placing bets on force replace vs modkill.

btw, still following the game somewhat while V/LA.

reinoe · Post Post #494 (isolation #4) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:33 am

Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 487, reinoe wrote:posting from my phone.

placing bets
on force replace vs modkill.

btw, still following the game somewhat while V/LA.
This is also punishable.

this game is certainly bringing out the derp in everyone today

reinoe · Post Post #495 (isolation #5) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:34 am

In post 494, reinoe wrote:
Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 487, reinoe wrote:posting from my phone.

placing bets
on force replace vs modkill.

btw, still following the game somewhat while V/LA.
This is also punishable.
this game is certainly bringing out the derp in everyone today

i mean that i was acting derpy not you NM.

reinoe · Post Post #496 (isolation #6) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:35 am

N_M is probably town btw. probably my last post of the day.

phone posting

reinoe · Post Post #519 (isolation #7) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:36 pm

In post 513, farside22 wrote:Scum list:

Clusk
Bp
Scarab (leaning scum)

Suspicious:
Renioe
Hunterseaker

phone posting again...

Hey farside. Anything I do that looks scummy is a reaction test to generate discussion.

reinoe · Post Post #528 (isolation #8) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:48 am

Hilarious how those two didn't make the Wake connection...

Scumhunting from my phone.

reinoe · Post Post #590 (isolation #9) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:19 am

In post 589, Damon_Gant wrote: reinoe: scum candidate. We should take into account he's posting from his phone, but his vote on Wake rings lots of alarm bells for me. Claims that because people didn't like his awful vote on Wake that that means he should've made a naked vote. No, not at all, but if your reasons are questionable then your vote is questionable.
<-----

Vote: HunterSeeker
. I want to hear some proper thoughts from this guy.
<-----

I can't even...

Doesn't explain what those "alarm bells" are...
Admits that my post isn't worded as well as it should be because I'm phone posting...
Proceeds to make suspicious vote for suspicious reason...

I'm noticing a lot of people being opportunistic or hypocrites. I strongly suspect two scum teams or this game has an overabundance of VI.

reinoe · Post Post #734 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:08 pm

I'm scumreading Clusk and Wake atm. I'd normally have more but there's a bunch of VI/NEWB/ flying around mucking up everything.

Clusk's argument about salamence being "manipulative" is ridiculous. If you think someone is a scumread then you campaign to get that scumread lynched. It's not rocket science.

Posting in other areas while ignoring this thread looks terrible.

Also, SKOT is town and I'd appreciate it if people would stop calling him "SNOT".
It was very townie of him to admit he has an unorthodox playstyle. The lesson is if you don't want someone getting hammered then don't run them up. I played several games with SKOT and we've had scum escape getting lynched by fake-claiming power roles so I know where he's coming from with the perception he has.

reinoe · Post Post #787 (isolation #11) » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:05 am

In post 786, Aegor wrote:Should I? Does Clusk have a history of replacing out as scum, or is the reasoning that the first few votes on him were enough to get him to replace out?

Clusk had both direct pressure and indirect pressure. People were openly saying they would be willing to vote for him/were scumreading him. The timing of the replace-out doesn't look good.

reinoe · Post Post #829 (isolation #12) » Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:07 pm

My scumreads keep voting for each other. Is this some sort of plot?

reinoe · Post Post #836 (isolation #13) » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:25 am

Hunterseeker seems to be making a deliberate effort at not contributing. Yes, there's a lot of players and it's easy to skate, but I did do a meta-read on his only other completed game: newbie 1506. In that game, even when he was phone posting, there was an obvious effort there to figure things out. In this game he's just coasting.
VOTE: HunterSeeker

reinoe · Post Post #977 (isolation #14) » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:34 am

In post 973, HunterSeeker wrote:
In post 961, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Hunterseeker

HELP! MAFIA is voting me

And this town is doomed. we are 14 blues against
-->5 mafs.<--

LOL, look at that scumslip.

VOTE: HunterSeeker

reinoe · Post Post #1001 (isolation #15) » Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:18 am

While I can't discuss ongoing games, I can say I understand Juls'..."Fuck it, can't take this shit anymore" swing.

reinoe · Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:18 am

In post 1044, Wake1 wrote:Anyone else want to chime in on the Adrein/Commuter claim?

Many PR's are hard to verify. Neither outed PR got killed. I think there's nothing that can be done about it for the time being.

But onto more important matters...

Why do you think about HunterSeeker explicitly stating that he knows there's 5 mafia? People are saying that he's just trolling but taking yesterday and today into account I think his behavior is scummy.

In post 973, HunterSeeker wrote:

HELP! MAFIA is voting me

And this town is doomed. we are 14 blues against 5 mafs.

He doesn't say 5 scum. He says 5 mafs.

In post 8, HunterSeeker wrote:/confirm for 1st game outside newbie town. Is there a setup/role list and/or do we know the town/scum ratio?

This is HunterSeeker's very first post in the game. It includes setup speculation.

I know I'm not the only person who realized his play this game is different from his play in his first newbie game.

Can we get lynch HunterSeeker now please?

reinoe · Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:13 pm

In post 1066, Wake1 wrote:
BP's either Scum or a bad player who gets in the way of Scumhunting.

I'm just gonna leave this right here for everyone to see from a different game...

In post 1519, Wake1 wrote:
In post 1517, reinoe wrote:

Also didn't you place a naked vote on TSO?

I certainly did. It's called gathering reactions. Also known as Scumhunting. You should try it sometime.

So basically when Wake places naked votes on other players it's scumhunting and other players should try it. When other player place naked votes on him they're terrible players who stand in the way of scumhunting.

reinoe · Post Post #1112 (isolation #18) » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:16 pm

In post 966, Not_Mafia wrote:So Wake what were the results of your reaction test and why would we wifom a pair of very standard n1 kills?

Wake, answer these please.

reinoe · Post Post #1165 (isolation #19) » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:46 pm

In post 1150, tn5421 wrote:

So dodging questions is considered acceptable behavior now? Why didn't you tell me?!

It can be acceptable to dodge questions depending on the circumstances. It can be acceptable to completely dodge players. I've done both as town. Sometimes you have to recognize how your interactions affect the entire town, and getting stuck in a quagmire with Wake will definitely have adverse affects on the town as a whole and individual players.

reinoe · Post Post #1209 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:33 pm

In post 1197, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 8, HunterSeeker wrote:/confirm for 1st game outside newbie town. Is there a setup/role list and/or do we know the town/scum ratio?

Wait, come on guys? He asked this on the first page, and then went along with stating there were 5 mafia.

I know. To be honest at first I was shocked it's taking this long to lynch someone who somehow knows that there are exactly five mafia. Then I started appreciating the effort at generating discussion. That's good.

The I started getting the distinct impression that there are some people who think that a player who knows the exact number of mafia isn't actually a member of the mafia. That's bonkers.

reinoe · Post Post #1221 (isolation #21) » Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:44 pm

In post 1212, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1209, reinoe wrote:The I started getting the distinct impression that there are some people who think that a player who knows the exact number of mafia isn't actually a member of the mafia. That's bonkers.

Not that I don't think he's scum, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a minute to get people's thoughts - What if Hunter
isn't
scum, and just used a random number to get reactions?

So maybe he tried to pull a Wake? If he was doing it as a reaction then now he knows the result. I remember when I pulled my first terrible idea gambit and it resulted in my lynch too. I guess he's learned a lesson just like I did.

Also let's not forget all those WIFOM connections he tried to make with Jul too. That was kinda low.

reinoe · Post Post #1371 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:54 am

It pains me in my soul to say this but I think hunter seeker is a VI. I feel so dejected.

UNVOTE:

reinoe · Post Post #1376 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:11 am

In post 1374, TheAdrienC wrote:Is anyone else noticing that Not_Mafia basically hopped on every bandwagon started this day phase (with the exception of boonskiies)?

I've played with him before in open 550. That's his style. I used that very point in an effort to set up a frame job on him. It never came to pass fully but I was getting ready to make the case if I had to.

I think vote count analysis does have it's place but it's value won't make itself apparent until day 3-4.

reinoe · Post Post #1388 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:33 am

In post 1386, Wake1 wrote:
a malevolent, gay rancor.

I laughed so hard at this...

reinoe · Post Post #1392 (isolation #25) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:38 am

VOTE: wake88

For bringing an anti-gay agenda into this game.

reinoe · Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:26 am

In post 1401, Aegor wrote:Someone please explain to me why Damon_Gant is a superior choice to HS.

HunterSeeker is a newb who has shown the potential to be better than what he is right now. This is his second game on the site and he comes from epicmafia and therefore may be overwhelmed by the game currently since this is a LARGE NORMAL.

Damon Gant has extensive experience on this site. He is used to this site's metagame and previously played in Large normals. Furthermore he promised content and in the timeframe in which he was available failed to provide any.

VOTE: DamonGrant

reinoe · Post Post #1427 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:00 pm

In post 1419, Mirhawk wrote:
@Reinoe - Is it just me or is this not like his attitude in mini 1579.

He's more aggressive in this game. But he's also offering more useful questions too. For example post 1418. He's doing more of that this time around. I find Wake impossible to read but also difficult to interact with.

reinoe · Post Post #1457 (isolation #28) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:36 pm

In post 1406, TheAdrienC wrote:

Also, reinoe, can you give me a link to a Damon Grant game so I can see his play style a bit since you seem familiar by him? I do want to be informed on why a lot of you are voting his way.

Sorry I missed this.

Large Normal 172
I'm not actually familiar with Damon_Gant's play as we've never played together before. The whole being online but not even bothering with the day start PM is kinda cray. But then so was Clusk's behavior and they're similarities there. I just don't know.

reinoe · Post Post #1463 (isolation #29) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:23 pm

@Alina
So far for the past two days the efforts to push for lynches has been on lurkers. Do you think this is a coincidence?

@Aegor
Broodking says that he's 100% certain Boonskiies is scum because he's being disruptive. Do you agree with this?

@Not Mafia
Boonskiies has made some controversial claims re: his role. Do you think he could be scum playing up a VI reputation or do you think this is his genuine town game?

@Mirhawk
We both kinda agree that Wake is being more aggressive than in MINI 1579. He's also asking more and better questions. Do you think he could be scum or is this an evolution of his game?

@Wake
What do you think of the Clusk lynch? How many scum do you think were pushing that wagon and who on that wagon was the scummiest.

reinoe · Post Post #1601 (isolation #30) » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:31 am

Boon, due to events that took place in OPEN 562 I no longer believe that you're just a VI playing VI. I believe that you're scum.

The tl/dr is that we had a player in that game playing the VI but a lot of people were saying he was "too scummy to be scum". However not only was that player scum, he was a Serial Killer.

Now the common perception is that people will not play in such a way because it greatly increases the probability that they'll wind up getting lynched. The common perception is that Serial Killers will especially play cautiously. But what a learning experience that was.

VOTE: Boonskiies

reinoe · Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:34 pm

In post 1610, Alina wrote:@
Boonskiies

The heck? Did you even
read
Reinoe's post?

In post 1607, Burning_TowN wrote:
In post 1606, Juls wrote:Want to know what makes me uncomfortable? People who ignore large posts directed at them that should be addressed.

This entire game is putting me on edge.

~tn5421

Same. I'm really burnt out on this game, sorry guys. Just haven't been in the mood to do the rereads :/

It's all part of his act. More when I get home. There's an interesting mafia discussion thread I've stumbled upon but I can't link to it because I'm phone posting right now.

reinoe · Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:49 pm

In post 1611, Boonskiies wrote:Yeah, but it was worded so it could be taken two ways. I'm a different player than the player he was suggestion. Don't compare.

The fundamental point is that scum won't hesitate to play up being a VI because it's actually not that big of a risk.

reinoe · Post Post #1661 (isolation #33) » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:39 am

In post 1611, Boonskiies wrote:Yeah, but it was worded so it could be taken two ways. I'm a different player than the player he was suggestion. Don't compare.

Your also like a different player than in mini 1582. You're really playing up the tomfoolery in this game but you didn't in that other one. In that game, yeah you did seem occasionally scummy and it almost got you lynched a couple times. In this game you're just straight up acting like a clown and hiding behind that behavior as an excuse.

Boonskiies ISO from Mini1582

reinoe · Post Post #1690 (isolation #34) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:51 am

VOTE: Hunterseeker

This is happening.

reinoe · Post Post #1692 (isolation #35) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:58 am

In post 1691, Wake1 wrote:No. More than two weeks remain. Why do you want to kill this slot without having the player talk or roleclaim while at L-1? Bad Townplay there.

If you want to kill a slot without a player or a roleclaim, did it with someone else. If it's a mislynch, that's on you.

Should this be a mislynch, I will hunt those who crammed it through.

And objectively Hunterseeker is scummier than Clusk. How much hunting did you do on the people who pushed through the Clusk lynch?

reinoe · Post Post #1700 (isolation #36) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:22 am

In post 1696, Alina wrote:Reinoe, I thought you thought Hunter was just a VI?

And wake, I'm with you with hoping people at least wait a little bit. It's not like we're all going to explode if we wait a while.

Yes, I said he's VI. But like I mentioned previously, I assumed that scum would not play up their VI. Recent discoveries in another game has changed things. Scum will happily act like a VI and pretend it's not scummy. This changed my thoughts on Boonskiies and Hunter.

reinoe · Post Post #1728 (isolation #37) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:14 pm

In post 1714, Boonskiies wrote:I'm just an idiot. And I don't like that Reinoe is targeting the so-called VI's. Also, anyone find it suspicious how he changed his vote from me to Hunter
after
I voted Hunter?

Let me fix that for you Boon...

Boonskiies wrote:Why is reinoe pushing for the lynch of people who are acting like anti-town idiots? I'm Boon and I'm selectively ignoring the fact that reinoe was pushing for Hunter yesterday and instead I'm going to create paranoia and WIFOM

Yeah, if Hunterseeker turns out to be town, I'm fine with looking deeper into Boon. This whole "reinoe is voting AFTER me" is such an utterly bullshit point. It doesn't even mean anything but he's trying to make it mean something.

reinoe · Post Post #1749 (isolation #38) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:10 pm

In post 1747, Juls wrote:Oh my God, I don't believe in policy lynches but Wake makes me want to change that belief.

It's ok to have more than one or two scumreads.

reinoe · Post Post #1763 (isolation #39) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:43 pm

Yeah, it's weird how Aeronaut is engaging in all this bickering and fake-whiteknighting for H.S. He's not pushing for anyone else right now.

reinoe · Post Post #1823 (isolation #40) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:17 pm

In post 1819, Juls wrote:So....are you out of reasons to not vote him?

He ran out of reasons here...

In post 1756, Aeronaut wrote:

You're right, he's not just a lurker. He made some really idiotic and scummy posts. I just don't think anybody is that idiotic.

Ever since then it's been a time wasting excercise of "why isn't Aeronaut or anyone else hammering someone who is scum at worst and anti-town at best".

reinoe · Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:09 am

Spoiler: Bah

reinoe · Post Post #2743 (isolation #42) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:19 pm

post 2722 is Adrien's attempt at throwing the game. In his bid to sound town, he once again sounds fake as hell. Like he's really really lucky this town doesn't consists of more people who believe "sounding fake=scum" because he'd have been lynched ages ago. He's absolutely fake.

And as I was typing that Boonskiies switches his vote. OMG!!! So fucking fake. So snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Seriously Adrien, fuck your not-hammer.

I think this sequence of events pretty much states how I feel...

reinoe · Post Post #2757 (isolation #43) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:31 pm

Our game has a star symbol on it. I've never seen that before.

reinoe · Post Post #2764 (isolation #44) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:48 pm

In post 2759, Boonskiies wrote:Oh that makes sense. I would have definitely been protected over brood.

In the mafia thread I did put DYING REQUEST that if I got killed that Boonskiies should be shot. Instead that never happened...

Yeah, I'm a little bitter but I'll get over it soon enough. I've never lost as scum for damn good reason...