NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Titus]

Booo. This is The Light.

Catching up now. The Light was an alt of mine. It served its purpose.

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VOTE: tree

follow reinoe since he is making sense

This is dangerous. I make more sense as scum than I do as town, usually. Then again, scum are usually the ones acting confused by what I say soooo

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This is your fault titus.

ZOMG! Superscum here. Blaming me for things when I wasn't here.

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Not voting tree by the way.

Too much Swedish Furniture.

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Hi Titus

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

Tell me who is scum. I'm lazy.

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I think Oka tbh

Farside's vote on texcat was really bad

Then why is your vote on Tree and not Oka? Is that a mistake in the VC?

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Because I'm sheeping majiffy atm

Why would you sheep Jiffy? He is capable of being fooled. I've done it. You should be voting your scumreads.

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This is your fault titus.

ZOMG! Superscum here. Blaming me for things when I wasn't here.

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Since when does titus making sense = scum? (@titus, not mirhawk)

Scum know who is town and who is scum, so it's easier to be clear as scum. This is true for me especially.

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Ye really Titus what took you so long to post?

If you both realize neither me nor my alt posted at all for several days on site it was not game relevant.

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Is nobody going to comment on how Titus was using The Light to keep up-to-date on the game without being required to participate or having players meta her during and/or slightly after RVS?

I have no idea what the fuck

any

of this is. Or what Titus' whole "I am the light" post was about. I imagine that probably goes for everyone else who is ignoring it.

So why don't you go ahead and explain since you seem to grok it enough to have a problem with it?

I am The Light. You know that slot that hadn't posted all game. The light was an alt account I was using to see if I was lynchbait due to my behaviors or just my name.

[Titus]

Hahaha. No.

I'm not liking so many people.

Majiffy for not noticing my absence when he's very detail oriented.
notscience for sheeping and not having a backbone.
tn for claiming my absence was role PM related.
gameplay for jumping onto that reason so easily.
Elyse for claiming none of my posts were game relevant when a) my claiming to be The Light was game relevant and explaining why a slot was missing and b) wanting reads before I'm fully caught up and integrated into the game.

When I know I've got scum or town, I will indeed let you know.

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VOTE: titus

Majiffy

Lend me your strength

Yeah, that's not going to happen unless Jiffy is scum too considering Jiffy just was posting about keeping things to the viable wagons.

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Yeah she is.

Notty is town though. And so is Majiffy in case you were wondering.

Why are they town?

I find it odd that notscience votes me after I call him out for not having a backbone.

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I'm not scared to crossvote. You see there's about 5 or 6 people in my scumreads. No one active has posted anything I like and I'm not caught up. So I'll hold off voting.

I go after people when I'm certain they are scum or there is another good reason to vote them. I don't have 5 or 6 votes.

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Gut and their posts seem town motivated. And similar scumreads. (Except for tree with Majiffy but I think his push seems legitimate)

Well my "gut" is a bit self-centered. Oh and agreeing with you shouldn't make someone town or scum. I've said that 10000 times.

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@Reinoe, I don't strategically lurk. I was dealing with a critical real life issue. I was "lurking" in each and every game and forced replaced from a few. I don't have opinions on anything before my first post beyond reactionary shit. For instance, I really want to vote Okra not for anything they did because NS is avoiding voting for them despite having a supposed scumread on them and they are the second largest wagon. WTF.

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VOTE: Oka

Come out and play.

[Titus]

Jesus Christ I have already had and won this argument why don't you go reread.

The argument is not won until Tree is lynched. I'm actually in agreement with Aeronaut on Tree's behavior so far. Seems noob town.

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Elyse, why are you blantantly appealing to authority (claiming yourself as an expert on me) when the latest game you and I were both wrong on each other?

Yes my "reads" sucked. They were things I observed, which if you count those as strong reads I feel sorry for you. I won't have "decent" reads until I read the yhread.

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Gut says me no like Aero train. Bleh.

I should read this game tomorrow.

I actually like Mirhawk this game though.

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Okay.

Here are MY reasons behind it-

His early interaction with tree about how people would take an IC seriously. It looks like he's trying to put up a charade of being all business and seriousness and "alrighty guys lets get down to work" and it doesn't read genuine.

Look at his vote on tree. He voted essentially because Tree is anti-town. Note- he still thinks tree is town, just doesn't want him alive. It's not for reasons like my push where I need the people on the tree wagon to help my wagon so I join, it's just because he's anti-town.

Look at his scumread on me. Why is he scumreading me initially? For my sheeping. When I reacted, he then has to stretch and bullshit his way around my reaction. When he makes a claim about me, I ask him to give me quotes and concise points. I get nothing. When asked for reasonings behind him, I give them and then get accused of "avoiding answering questions." How is that a town response? What town- who is adamant that someone his scum and isn't voting them- would not be able to provide reasonings behind a claim he makes, a claim that apparently encompasses the entire thread?

Look at his REACTION to the push on me. First I'm scum, then look at his softclaim TO ME. His scumread. Does town softclaim like that to a scumread? No.

OMGUS
OMGUS
OMGUS

Titus is drunk weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I think notscience scumreads are dumb, this post is town, and it's a well put-together case, but I'm still a bit reluctant to join the Aero wagon. I've had enough of people screaming "OMGUS".

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And my response got quote bit.

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Softclaims aren't made cuz there's a need. They are meant to be skipped over and revealed later as OMG that makes sense. A good portion of my arrogant gibberish catches the scum like that. Claim my role. Nuhhuh bitch. I softclaimed first.

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I also thought ppl if town would fight tooth and nail but fighting tooth and nail is actually more likely to get people lynched. So I say bullshit here are your scums ty goodnight.

[Titus]

My being drunk is not a discredit of you.



Then again now I know why you're so sensitive.

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Titus

We all know you're too scared of me to face me head on

But discreditst like that?

Tsk tsk

If I ever read the thread or know you're scum for shit after I subbed in, I will tunnel your ass.

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Softclaim v crumb is a matter of subtlety and opinion.

Town should not resist a lynch to the point of dominating. It sometimes happen if town and scum throw a shitton of bullshit. It makes it impossible to catch up and just makes the player more likely to get lynched. Of course the player would be stating who they thought the other scums were. There comes a point to just say fuck it and trust your townies. Some reach it earlier than others. I have a COMPULSION to correct bullshit.

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I feel bad for you Titus

your scum role pm

:/

Dude, so meta. :-p

Not scum here. Seriously, you got drunk Titus. Take advantage of me. You see me town.

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What the hell does that mean?

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Well we don't have to have sex. :-p I'm married so no amount of booze would get that "take advantage". Anything else is fair mafia.

Ask me anything.

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Gut. He doesn't seem like that newbie game many moons ago where I subbed in for Mathblade where he was scum I think. I've seen a fair amount of Aero and my gut says town.

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There seems to be a lot of avoding Okra and I wonder why. You're not the only one.

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TN the only thing I've seen from you is implying my real life absence was related to a scum role PM. Do something townie or scumhuntery.

Someone just asked for my reads before I read the thread. So I answered. They're not meant as ZOMG Titus solved the game yo!

[Titus]

What do you think of farside?\

pedit-

I'm not avoiding oka, but he's not my primary suspect of the day.

Yeah we know you have no backbone and you're majiffy's puppet and you post random shit. I'm trying to ignore that shit because I want to give you a chance. You claimed he's scum. You didn't claim tree was. You voted tree because of the almight Majiffy who frankly has built his own ethos and isn't all that good at all.

Farside, verdict is still out. No real interaction with him.

[Titus]

Praise Majiffy?

Majiffy's a decent guy and good at not getting himself lynched. A great scumhunter... no.

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I've been told it looked scummy. Tried to change it. People had a fit. So this is my avatar. I'm the Queen of the Scums.

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Nice pyramid.

Don't see the relevance.

Objection relevance!

I did exactly what the question asked. It asked to say something good about Majiffy. I did.

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You called him a shitty scumhunter, which can be construed as name-calling.

I found that sitting around in my photobucket from years back and decided it was begging to be re-released upon the world.

It's not namecalling to say someone's not the best at something. On day 1, I am usually not the best scumhunter. Towards the late game, I kick ass. It's an opinion, not an ad hominem.

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The picture outright stated it name calling. You don't get to hide behind "it can be construed".

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There's a difference between "not a perfect fit" and disavowing the clear meaning of what you just said.

You can die tomorrow.

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There's a difference between "not a perfect fit" and disavowing the clear meaning of what you just said.

You can die tomorrow.

Is that a scumclaim?

Are you drunk right now too?

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Finally, someone I fucking like shows up.

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Dude, that was all in the context of the fucking game.

I like you outside of the game. In this game, you have a scum role PM.

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I agree with Aeronaut here. Notscience's trajectory even since I have come in the game has been sketchy. I ask him who he thinks scum are... he doesn't include tree. I say what is going on there because NS was voting tree. He says sheepage. Now he's saying tree is scum.

I'm sorry this is going slower. I just got in a fender bender today. I feel fine at the moment but my catch up may be delayed. Still responding to current events.

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Where have I said tree is scum Titus

quote me on that.

Pretty much everything after people pressure you to vote scum. It's not like you're voting Tree because you think he'll flip town. Take ownership and stop focusing on chaining.

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Why would scum-notscience give a shit?

Why would town notscience out that Aero claimed RB when it could be used to see who "slipped" knowing that information given neighborhoods have day chat it's logical to conclude scum do too.

Someone having too much knowledge = scumslip.

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Actually the thing is now everyone knows about aero being a rb, so your gambit won't work on finding scum in the neighborhood.

Anyways the wagon should fall apart and we should lynch tree already.

Change tree for tn or NS and I agree completely.

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I will consider any future neighbor claim that isn't done in the player's next post as a scumclaim.

Let's see here, does your bullying apply to any particular neighborhood or just any neighborhood. Not a fan of the fish here.

Majiffy NS is buddying you ala House Party. You got a weakness to it.

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You say while not voting me titus

pedit-

Come on titus, you're boring me.

If I had two votes, I'd use them both. I'm voting TN I do believe.

VOTE: TN

Just to be sure. TN is the more lynchable out of the two of you.

[Titus]

I've invited you to 1v1 me

But you're scared the same shit that happened when you tried to 1v1 ETL will happen here too

/shrug

LOL at implying I'm scared scum. I'm just not stupid to 1 v 1 close to deadline when I haven't fully caught up.

My scumgames are good not because of the fact I play scared but due to my reckless abandon.

You on the other hand, suck major as scum. Sheeping, no responsibility, etc.

[Titus]

Plus I like the rise I get out of you as scum NS. You're freaking out.

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That is not fucking lame....

VOTE: Aeronaut

Don't care if it's hammer. No one thinks a copish role is lame. That if it wasn't bullshit, a) confirms a vigilante and b) gives anyone negatively guiltied only a fake claim of vig.

Aeronaut's play is also not consistent. Cops and Copish roles generally want to keep their head down until necessary.

This seems like a CC fish.

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He go hammered already

I doubt it. But if I did Aero is flipping scum.

Aero should know how pwerful his fakeclaim was. Any player not familiar with a role checks the wiki.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

Aero you understand you are (if you are telling the truth) basically a cop with a false positive on vigs right?

Not sure if I believe but no reason to lynch today. Lol at Titus though.

Yeah you are fenceshitting. I call bullshit. You say I can be right but want to vote me anyway because I took a stronger opinion than you.

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@TSO, apply rational thought. Scum doesn't call an investigator bullshit (unless a bus). They can either rb or kill the investigator. Otherwise the game is broken by follow the cop. There is zero need to push a cop claimer lynch as scum.

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He go hammered already

I doubt it. But if I did Aero is flipping scum.

Aero should know how pwerful his fakeclaim was. Any player not familiar with a role checks the wiki.

It's more a matter of opinion, really. I checked the wiki, and it doesn't necessarily town confirm or scum confirm anyone.

Pretty damn close to it if you had gotten a positive.

[Titus]

Not sure if I believe but no reason to lynch today.

Fuckin bad.

Agreed.

I want to go all Village Person on Elyse.

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NS, you can roll your eyes at me or you can opine on the validity of aero's claim.

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You can do that?

Probably not since he just voted me.

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You deserve this Elyse:

VOTE: Elyse
Call it a placeholder vote. Call it whatever you like. But if you are town you should just know that by your idiotic push you outed 2 presumably town pr's. And now when Aero claimed pr you go like "oh really you were a pr I didnt know, sorry unvoting you". Literally wtf. Leaving my vote here at least for the night.

Pedit@ reinoe I already answered that one. Mainly leaning on Psyche, Mir and Tso. Maji and NS arent good either.

Gameplay, can you trust me that I will push Elyse tomorrow if it is a good idea and I am alive if you vote Aero now?

[Titus]

This is a large with a shit ton of scum. I like Reinoe and Alina as town. The rest of you...not so much yet.

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UNVOTE:

Gameplay, Elyse did nothing wrong and you only think that because you had prior knowledge that you still believe to be 100% true.

Not that I don't believe the claim, but with us not knowing Aero's power yet seeing him hint that he has one so heavily, scum would have already known as scum are constantly looking for power roles to snipe. If scum already know, it's better to have him outed to make sure Town PRs can do whatever is possible to help him out.

I thought Elyse's post was bad first for the same reason....this post makes no sense but clearly shows effort.

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This is a large with a shit ton of scum. I like Reinoe and Alina as town. The rest of you...not so much yet.

Forgot gameplay. Derpage.

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I agree with Titus that Aero's claim seems bullshitted and don't blame her for jumping onto the wagon at all.

unvote

But optimal play is optimal play.

Psyche, I am being my bullheaded, chest pounding sledgehammer self.

Work with me here?

[Titus]

Gameplay, can you trust me that I will push Elyse tomorrow if it is a good idea and I am alive if you vote Aero now?

Here is my problem with this Titus.

I am townreading Aero

.

Pedit: oh god Psyche you just hit my scumradar with a hammer.

Why? Is it because of who is on the wagon?

Do you townread tree?

[Titus]

Town: Psyche, Elyse, notscience, Majiffy, farside, gameplay (new read- recent genuinely frustrated posting about Aero)
Town (claim): Aero
Scummy: Titus? (just for the vote, but I'm not sure if I would have done the same)
Scum: tn

Tree, you get townpoints for being a counterwagon to scum but not town based on play.

Do you know what follow the cop is?

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Also gameplay, Elyse is town because she would not have needed to do this at all as scum. She saw hints of a power role. Scum would kill it without pointing it out herself so as to distance herself from the kill. Actually I probably wouldn't have done what Elyse did, but keeping quiet about it is pretty much the only scum option to take in that scenario. Being loud about it is a towntell.

No it is not. Scum can announce PR crumbs to a) get credit for buddies b) set up mislynches c) ensure PRs die if they are lynched d) stop bad fake claims

That is stream of consciousness some are less due to daychat likely existing but not totally bad.



A fake cop claim is sufficient to 180. A fake claim of any sort is.

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You deserve this Elyse:

VOTE: Elyse
Call it a placeholder vote. Call it whatever you like. But if you are town you should just know that by your idiotic push you outed 2 presumably town pr's. And now when Aero claimed pr you go like "oh really you were a pr I didnt know, sorry unvoting you". Literally wtf. Leaving my vote here at least for the night.

Pedit@ reinoe I already answered that one. Mainly leaning on Psyche, Mir and Tso. Maji and NS arent good either.

Shut the fuck up. I'm done with you and your elitist attitude.

I

did not force Aero to claim. I wanted to just run him up as usual but he decided to softclaim which is so antitown I can't even start. Then he said "welp I'm a PR" which again sucks.

I

had nothing to do with Josh outing his role and didn't even think Aero claimed roleblocker.

I

backed off of Aero because gunsmith is a testable claim and if he is town, scum will want to kill him sooner than later. I'm not stupid.

You

should stop blaming everything on me because it's not my fault and I'm fucking obvtown. I also want you to know that there's a good chance there's scum in your neighborhood and I'm coming after you next.

You are not. He is not blaming everything on you. Your posts just suck.

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Titus what the fuck? Like even if you think he's lying (which I totally understand), the optimal play is not to lynch him.

I don't understand what you're doing this game. This isn't town-you.

Town me is not understood.

Think...would scum try to lynch a gunsmith with follow the cop not being possible on mafiascum.

[Titus]

Then my read tonight will prove it.

Not moving from Aero. This is a Tunnel.

[Titus]

Who feels like singing Village People to Aero?


Aero needs to die. Tonight. He is important scum.

Can we prod PV?

[Titus]

Who feels like singing Village People to Aero?


Aero needs to die. Tonight. He is important scum.

Can we prod PV?

I find it hard to believe you changed your mind so quickly because I said my role was lame. Are you afraid I'll see your gun?

I don't need a gun and I don't have one. Go ahead and lie tomorrow.

[Titus]

I still don't understand what I'm lying about and why tn isn't voting me.

High Priority > Titus > NotScience > Elyse / Tree > Texcat > Low Priority

You're really making it hard to go Village People on Elyse with your nonsense. You've completely forgotten about Okra, your alleged scumread to push me because I voted someone due to a shit claim.

Seriously, voting the fake GS is a fucking towntell. Scum would shoot it or roleblock it.

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9. AERONAUT- Opportunism, people he wants dead consisted of tree and 2 sheep and oka, weird interaction re:tree, etc

You really, really should not lynch me.

You really don't want to lynch me, Notscience.

I'm done with you. Everyone else,

feel free to look at at my posts and read between the lines.

And look at his and see the bullshit.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6034475

Read. Between. The. Lines.

I think that's probably all of them.

Those are not crumbs. That's saying please don't lynch me.

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Aero I have one question. Why did you softclaim in the first place?

Because maybe I didn't want every single person to know my role right then, but I needed the town to know it enough not to lynch me and make me useless to the town. If I just layed down and let you lynch me, then I'd be hurting the town's chances of winning quite a bit.

That's why we ask for a claim before lynching you.

I'm over that though. Let's move on.

I want to know who's in this neighborhood. There's guaranteed scum there. (Also with 5 people I find it even stranger that Aero would be willing to fullclaim there but whatever)

@Titus
What is your read on gameplay?

Town but making newbish mistakes. One of Josh B's posts exemplified gameplay as honest town but three steps behind. In a game or two, he'll be deadly because he'll understand both newbs and seasoned players.

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It's basically the same as taking five random people from the game and saying "there is probably at least one scum in this pile."

No.

The wiki says one scum of EACH faction. If multiball that will be interesting.

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Those are not crumbs. That's saying please don't lynch me.

A statement which I only see Town/Scum PRs typically bothering with.

Trying to make him prove he crumbed/hinted isn't fruitful either. It's not alignment indicative; scum can crumb too.

Crumbing itself is not alignment indicative. However it can indicate personality. It's evidence but not a tell in and of itself.

Also, please don't lynch me comes from a) later game useful town [read Titus], b) town PRs c) people who are naturally defensive d) scum or e) scum PRs. Please do not lynch me is NOT indicative of PR status.

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Titus I don't understand you. At all.

I'm generally NOT understood as town.

[Titus]

TSO are you here? Can you spruce up your posting so I can get a feel for your alignment?

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Because maybe I didn't want every single person to know my role right then, but I needed the town to know it enough not to lynch me and make me useless to the town. If I just layed down and let you lynch me, then I'd be hurting the town's chances of winning quite a bit.

You were arguing with notscience though. He has all the credibility as a squished toad. Why did you feel threatened?

I don't understand your thought process. You thought that maybe scum was too stupid to notice the claim and town wasn't?
There also no benefit to claiming before it's absolutely necessary, why didn't you wait?

THE CLAIM IS FAKE AND UNVERIFIABLE

[Titus]

Great then I claim non-counterclaiming cop. Let's all claim that so none of us can be lynched so we lynch obvious scum.

A PR claim is not auto-town. Sorry.

A-E all apply. Usually if I'm a VT, late game with nothing I may roll over. Anytime else, fight like hell. Oh and yeah, Brazen is my next alt or something similar.

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We could just run up gameplay and make him claim or eat rope

Why would we try to get more people to claim then already have?

Come on rolecop. We know what you are.

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Titus why are you scumreading me again?

I never stopped. You've been spineless, shifting with the majority and take zero responsibility for your votes.

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Tree

My acceptable lynch list

Aero (duh)
TN
NS
Elyse

You're cleared bc of being Aero's counterwagon. Scum wouldn't feel a need to counterwagon scum you with scum Aero.
Gameplay is pretty obvtown
Mirhawk is townish
Reinoe is prob town for the same reaction I had (minus vote)

TSO and PV need to clarify their alignment status as I need a base to operate from in this game with people who get me and are respected well.

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How have I been spineless?

How have I not taken responsibility for my votes?

I'm not denying the shifting part.

I'm sheeping Majiffy. Vote towards claim. Vote on wagon that you say won't come. There's always an excuse with you.

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We could just run up gameplay and make him claim or eat rope

Why would we try to get more people to claim then already have?

Come on rolecop. We know what you are.

Titus was your claim legitimate?

Why? Are you paranoid that I've got you? I'm just a bad ass bitch.

[Titus]

Great then I claim non-counterclaiming cop. Let's all claim that so none of us can be lynched so we lynch obvious scum.

A PR claim is not auto-town. Sorry.

A-E all apply. Usually if I'm a VT, late game with nothing I may roll over. Anytime else, fight like hell. Oh and yeah, Brazen is my next alt or something similar.

1) I and others do not agree with you that he is "obvious scum". I think with his experience, at the very least the "Gunsmith" part is true. A scum gunsmith is not impossible.
2) I never said I wasn't ever going to lynch him.
3) I never said he was auto-town.
4) Following 2 and 3, I am clarifying that I am not lynching him today, but may be open to doing so later on depending on how events unfold.
5) I am interested in hydraing with you as "Brazen".
6) I would first like to clearly see your reads besides the Aero one. Your extremely loud posts only about him are drowning out everything else and I'm finding it anti-town.

I've answered everything else. 5 is ok. Create the account. Get a skype. PM me. We can discuss game etc later. It may be awhile before we play it bc I have a shit ton to do and I am supposed to recover from this accident. Mafia is helping... I think.

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btw Titus

I've figured out you're town

Which is going to make you scumread me more

And I've also flopped my Elyse read

But that'll also make you scumread me more

But if we're going to ML me can we at least push it up to today?

You're not getting lynched today. Aero is.

Meet me half way. Own who you say to lynch. No sheeping until proven reliable.

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We could just run up gameplay and make him claim or eat rope

Why would we try to get more people to claim then already have?

Come on rolecop. We know what you are.

Titus was your claim legitimate?

Why? Are you paranoid that I've got you? I'm just a bad ass bitch.

No :/ feel free to investigate.

An investigator would naturally be a CC to you. So why are you telling me to "feel free to investigate" if you are the investigator? Hmm... you're paranoid and I've got you because you've seen what I've been doing. :-p Confess rolecop.

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No :/ feel free to investigate.

An investigator would naturally be a CC to you. So why are you telling me to "feel free to investigate" if you are the investigator? Hmm... you're paranoid and I've got you because you've seen what I've been doing. :-p Confess rolecop.

Don't you think you're making too many assumptions here?

List them.

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I had faith in you NS. You failed me.

Anyone who is seriously scumreading me (Titus) is scum or dumb.

Let's continue to string up Titus. She went too far with the whole "I want to lynch the un CC'd gunsmith" shtick and now has no option but to ride it out and milk it for all it's worth.

Also her description of how scum would react to a gunsmith claim is exactly what gameplay is doing yet she calls him obvtown.

No. My description is scum would auto believe a gunsmith regardless of validity. It's either a) their buddy [duh] b) real town or c) fake claiming town. If A, then why lynch? If B, Anti-follow the cop says why worry? If C, same thing. That's what I've been saying. You're playing it EXACTLY how scum would play it. Gameplay's response is fucking town.

[Titus]

tree you are up to be lynched
be careful what you call shit

By the way, can you give me your current thoughts on Aero+wagon? Believe it or not, I hold your reads in a somewhat high regard.

It's hard to tell until I get a flip or a confirmation.

What would it take to prove Aero is scum short of a CC?

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Aegor, the wiki. 5 players = almost certainly scum present from every faction.

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@Psyche, please answer. What would it take to lynch Aero short of a CC?

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I'm think I'm firmly in the I think Aero is scum camp at this point. Apparently we think there is possibility of multiple factions though, so I want to consider that possibility before I put my vote there. Let them sort it out if so.

wait

who first suggested this

The wiki.

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Lol at Titus suggesting scum wouldn't try to lynch a gunsmith.

They wouldn't. Of course Aeronaut's claim is so fake all good village people see that.

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Titus I understand why you think he's lying - I'm not sure he's telling the truth either. But lynching him today doesn't make sense because there's a small chance he's telling the truth. If he is then scum will have to deal with him. If he's not, it will become evident.

I don't see why scum wouldn't try to lynch him today. It clearly helps them.

Let's suppose he is lying. Then he isn't town.

If he is not lying (remote), the scum can rb him or kill him. A game that has follow the cop does not pass review.

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30 pages, huh? Summaries helpful, otherwise will slog through it.

Short version...

5p hood exists
Aeronaut lied about being a GS

Viva la revolution de la Village People.

I need to spruce my garden.

Later.

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no

TSO..watch season 3 of Revolution. Spruce up your garden.

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We test if Aeronaut is bsing it tmr.

Today we lynch tree, or titus, or gameplay.

Bad. All of thise are likely town.

If Aero is rolecop...it's real easy to fake his ability.

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No :/ feel free to investigate.

An investigator would naturally be a CC to you. So why are you telling me to "feel free to investigate" if you are the investigator? Hmm... you're paranoid and I've got you because you've seen what I've been doing. :-p Confess rolecop.

Don't you think you're making too many assumptions here?

List them.

1) An investigator would be a CounterClaim.
2) Investigators can't work together
3) You assume Aero is scum. If you're town this is confbias.
4) (probably a joke) You assume he will actually confess.
5) You assume Aero is simply paranoid, see #2 and #3 to see that it is you that is paranoid.

Yes. Any investigator compared to a GS unless backup would be a CC.
Investigators if not naturally CCs can work together. Ex: Tracker/Watcher
No. Town don't lie about being GSes.
I'd hope but he isn't confessing with people defending him.
Aero is paranoid I've caught him. Look at his other posts. They lack paranoia but are rather defensive... don't lynch me, I'm a PR etc.

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But texcat must be destroyed.

Why?


We still won't lynch obvscum Aero. Great. See you tomorrow.

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i still don't think you push hard enough

EVERYONE, VOTE TEXCAT.

Maybe tomorrow. Vote Aero first.

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I will discuss other ppl tree. I will not move my vote.

Can we lynch obvscum Aero now?

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There are four votes on Aero. Maybe two more if my crumbing works.

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It will catch me more scum, hence crumbing reasons. The team will adapt otherwise.

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That is the most likely thing to happen if he doesn't die after all, whether the claim is true or not.

This.

It's my party. I will lynch scum if I want to.

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It's not so much a plan as much an inevitability. Either he'll have a no-gun report on a scum we end up lynching, or he ends up fucking himself by clearing townies and POE.

Especially since ~someone else~ have been crumbing cop, that person can look at my role tonight.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean I am not out to get you.

The only question remains is...am I an actual cop? Do you shoot me to find out? Roleblock me?

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Out of curiousity, when did you figure out I was crumbing cop? I know you did.

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^^^^ at Aero

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Dick measuring later. Scum lynching now.

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I didn't say I was going to investigate you. I don't investigate known scum. Tis a waste. Please link the post for my records.

My reasoning would reveal if I am a cop or not.

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Bullshit. Either TSO or PV figured it out and told you.

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So you just called them his buds?

This game is moving so quickly and is so disorganized that I would probably be fine lynching most players.

But vote texcat.

You haven't given any reasons for voting texcat since Post #772. Most of your other posts regarding him are "Vote texcat", which is no better than most of Oka's posts of "Why isn't Tree dead yet?". You also said in that same post that Oka can die too, and yet you're trying to get people to vote texcat when there's already an Oka wagon rolling. Can you explain to me why?

Bullshit. Either TSO or PV figured it out and told you.

Why do you think Pere is scum? I just ISO'd him and it doesn't look like he's doing too much, and hasn't posted anything since saying he needed to catch up, but nothing came out as exceptionally scummy to me.

Gameplay's got it.

My crumbs were structured in a manner where PV or TSO would have the best chance to catch it. There are some universal crumbs as well but Aero did not see those.

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I refuse to answer claiming cop.

I started leaving some crumbs soon after. I am not counting. Please do not reveal them. It is important.

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A cop would be a cc to gunsmith though.

That leaves

Cop ccing trying to tell select players.
VT gambiting a cc to select players with low risk of backfire.

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He may not be the droids you are looking for.

Large Normal allows for 2 nonstandard roles I believe.

There is a possibility that you're wrong.

What will you do if you are?

Yuck...more claims.

I'm not claiming anything. Just trying to stop Titus from death tunneling a pr we can check the results of.

But we cannot and he is lying

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Now I just want to talk to you in private.

Can I be in you neighborhood?

If you convince me you are town or are a neighborizer.

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@Mirhawk, town me is paranoid. If I have PoE by day 1, it better be Open 512 size.

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Since Aero is scum, nothing will without help.

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Reinoe, a bird in the hand is best. If Aero is scum, vote him.

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In either case I do think Aero's scum, which is why I'm curious about this cop business. Especially seeing as how you're the one who suggested that a investigative role would be a counterclaim to Gunsmith.

I'm not going to step on your toes on whatever it is you're doing, but I want to know if there's actually a chance that whatever you're doing can start the fire under Aero back up?

I'm going to piggyback onto Mirhawk here. I'm not

convinced

Aero's scum, but I definitely don't believe his claim makes him conftown, and I'm not against his lynch if more can be done to prove it's a good idea D1.

Like what?

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What an ugly votecount.

Terrible vote spread.

To the contrary this vc is great for vca late game if they are different alignments.

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Can someone give me a reason why Aeronaut is not getting votes?

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what happened to the old plan to confirm him and stuff

It is not possible to confirm him.

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Wouldn't that require him living past toDay, and giving us a wrong result, which is in and of itself only confirmable by lynching?

This.

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Wouldn't that require him living past toDay, and giving us a wrong result, which is in and of itself only confirmable by lynching?

well if he's not an investigative town pr,
we probably have another one and it can check him out

Why should we out an investigative PR to lynch obvious scum?

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Can someone give me a reason why Aeronaut is not getting votes?

Because lynching an uncc-d investigative role day one is roughly as idiotic as my general play has been over the past 5-10 pages or so.

Except you a)know I am not an idiot and b) you have been been an idiot and off the wagon. This rule lets scumclaim investigator with no consequence.

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Psyche my butt is sufficiently out there. I am woman enough to prove I get the scum. No need to prove being macho. :p

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Shit you are right Gameplay...but then why wouldn't Aero highlight what he thought the crumbs were? Suspicious.

Aeronaut is scummier.

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Gameplay, this is a Titus tunnel. I am getting Aeronsut's head today. You think they are scummy. That us the lynch we can agree on.

Jiffy, I can countermove any pretend investigation from Aero. His claim will not sort itself out.

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1) Gee anyplayer can be investigated so we should just nl. No reason Aero is different.

2) Why out a PR to lynch scum? Oh wait Aero claimed GS so I guess a PR must claim to lynch him. No.

3) You are supposing Aero's claims will be belived. Why? Aero will not be trapped.

Aero claims scum is town...never caught bc we do not lynch cop clears and vigs don't shoot them.
Aero claims town as scum...will happen in lylo with no opportunity to correct...

So just how do you expect to prove Aero is lying?

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1) Not every player is a GS claim. Strawman argument.
2) Or clear him? Aero can still be town, remember this. Argument refuted.
3) Still assumes Aeroscum and disregards the possibility of Aerotown. Poor argument, refuted.

I don't get your other two bits here. Try English!

None of your arguments hold water, mine still do.

1) Any scum D1 will claim GS is my point. No reason to treat GS as dpecial bc it cannot be confirmed.
2) Cop checks do not clear the cop. Scum already know the answer.
3) I showed how Aero can fake GS results...and there's I checked the dead guy.

My arguments hold water.

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1)Scum claim gs bc of ppl like you Jiffy who refuse to lynch a gs D1 solely bc yhey claimed it.
2) Scum can fake cop easy. If that is a hard concept, you are scum.
3) PoE and caught by bad reports does not hold. Clear obvtowns..kill obvtowns. PoE never happens until lylo.

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There Scum GS claims guilty on town.

Name a scenario where you would lynch a claimed gs day 1 without a cc.

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Anyway Titus I am up to my neck with your shit arguments so if you'd like to keep pushing this retarded angle I'm going to start pushing you.

Toodles.

Chainsaw for Aero. Bring it. I will win.

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1)Scum claim gs bc of ppl like you Jiffy who refuse to lynch a gs D1 solely bc yhey claimed it.
2) Scum can fake cop easy. If that is a hard concept, you are scum.
3) PoE and caught by bad reports does not hold. Clear obvtowns..kill obvtowns. PoE never happens until lylo.

1) Your argument would be stronger if you just said "PR". But either way; this is a shitty WIFOM argument. Town PRs exist. It doesn't make sense to lynch them D1 if they can be sorted otherwise.
2) I'M TALKING ABOUT A FUCKING COP COPPING AERO YOU F-
3) Uh, yes it does. A hell of a lot more than your "lol pr claim lynch it" position.

Name a scenario where you would lynch a claimed gs day 1 without a cc.

None. Just like I can't name a scenario where I'd lynch a claimed any PR D1 without a CC. Because it's

objectively bad play.

Yeah your scenario requires PR acts to lynch scum. Bullshit. Not falling for that trade.

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Lol. Any lynch can be a townlynch.There's zero reason to treat Aero's gs claim as special.

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We cannot fucking sort a gs claim.

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Yes we fucking do. We fon't let scum have an sutopassbullshit day 1. The only passable let live is a frienfly nrighbor.

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Yup. Either you believe thr clsim and let it go. Or it's fake and lynch. No middle ground.

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Titus is reminding me a lot like how I play as scum if a scummy player has claimed PR.

She's excited and wants to push this lynch through as quickly as possible.

Really, you say that when rb and koll would ganflr gs. Fuck you.

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Phone post.

Rb and kill handle gs. Scum have zero need to push a gs lynch.

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Ok just a heads up, the meds I am taking for back pain are not working. If you demand rapid response from me, I will sub out. Please do not joke about this.


No Reinoe. Tree is town.

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He ain't flipping gs. Even if he was town, scum would not push for his lynch as mids require a methid to not follow the cop.

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I don't buy into the claimed PR do not lynch Day 1.

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I don't want to lynch Tree, I'm not convinced he's scum.

What are the other options.

Okra

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I don't buy into the claimed PR do not lynch Day 1.

I subscribe to it for the most part, except under special circumstances.

If we are going to pick vanity wagons, then I prefer mine.

Vote: RoyalApe

Aero is tied for largest with four. It is not a vanity wagon.

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Titus, you specifically told us your scum game is based on being reckless.

Recless =\= Stupid.

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He ain't flipping gs. Even if he was town, scum would not push for his lynch as mids require a methid to not follow the cop.

You keep saying that and while I'm townreading you, there

is

scum motivation to push a town gunsmith. Any town lynch, especially a PR, is worth the price of admission for scum.

No there isn't for a GS if scum know that. GS can be neutralized without a lynch so why take that risk.

I see y'all are hellbent on being stupid though.

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Aeronaut. My lynchable scum is you. I am not answering your question bc people might insist on me compromising which I have no intent of doing.

Shitttt

Derp

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I have other scumreads but I do not know they are scum.

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Titus are you willing to accept your own lynch tomorrow if Aero flips town?

By now, you know I would never accept my lynch.

I would understand people suspecting me if that isyour point.

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Ok. So you aren't as sure as I thought you were.

Oh I am totally sure. The more you discredit, the more you look like his buddy.

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Elyse, it just looks like you are trying to get me to claim cop or not. A macho cop would not cc here. I wouldn't want them to. Aeronaut's claim is that fucking bad. His whole play is based on preservstion.

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Tn, that is levels of certainty.

Certain scum Aero

The rest I don't care to say bc I want certain scum dead.

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Told you tree was town btw.

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I have other scumreads. I am just so confident you are scum I am not entertsining anything else.

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We do not have a consensus on Tree. Tree is town.

Not answering about guilty thing.

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Aeronaut is confirmed scum fmpov due to shitty gs claim. Texcat is town bc Marquis.

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Yes. Tree is town bc he is Marquis.

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Oh shit bad typo.

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#2226 should read tree is town cuz Marquis.

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Nothing Aero. I make 3 - 4 bad tpos per game.

And yeah Aero's claim doesn't have a shred of evidence.

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Nothing Aero. I make 3 - 4 bad tpos per game.

And yeah Aero's claim doesn't have a shred of evidence.

What other evidence could there be?

You have play radically inconsistent with your role. Fishing for counterclaims. Playing survivalist ALL FUCKING GAME LONG.

I do not need a gunsmith pm to know you are scum. Anyone should know you are scum.

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Aeronaut is confirmed scum fmpov due to shitty gs claim. Texcat is town bc Marquis.

#2226 should read tree is town cuz Marquis.

Aegor asked specifically about Aeronaut and texcat. Your typo was not the "texcat" part, but the "bc Marquis" part. What is your read on texcat and why?

Texcat is a nullread. Don't care about sorting them until Aero is dead.

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Reinoe that is not happening for awhile.

The question is does Aero bus?

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Aegor we are at an impasse. I want Aeronsut.

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My god. No lynching confscum today. :sigh:

VOTE: gameplay

Majiffy join me.

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Nope. I want a scumflip. Since y'all won't vote scumAero. I move to target two.

I do think it's Elyse Psyche Gameplay Aeronaut atm.

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Muffin has been eerily quiet here. I almost forgot he was playing. I would like to know his stance.

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But like Titus wants a town flip today at any cost

Your ISO is full of moments like this. You lack agression unless someone scumreads you or doesn't do what you want. Your behavior in Wake's past game is wholly different. You were much less sure of yourself.

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It's hard to change as big as you have overnight. It is possible. Thst is why you weren't suspect numero uno.

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11to lynch? In 2 days, if in 24 hours your wagon isn't at 4 or higher...move.

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Marquis ain't a good scumplayer. Good players must be self aware.

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Ll the major wagons suck. Confscum is spelled Aeronaut.

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Reading now

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VOTE: Psyche

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Oka, I am your sheep.

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Do remember, thou shall not covet thy neighbor.

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Wait, gunsmiths detect cops as guns? I guess that makes sense. I thought they'd only find vigs, town-wise. /Derp

No. GS see vigs as guns. Cops as inno.

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VOTE: Aegor

Baaaad fakeclaim.

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I doubt Texcat is flipping scum. I doubt you are town. You have been harping on texcat scum but leaving zero clues as to who you would guard.

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Marquis, vote Aegor please. It is the only viable claim.

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Claim should be lynch.

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Multiball would be interesting.

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Why include a Cop and Tracker? =/


Whatever; I am not that strong. Just lynch texcat tomorrow once you know that my counterwagon was a desperate yet horrifyingly mind-bogglingly successful attempt to avoid texcat's lynch.

How is there a tracker here? Also no one has claimed cop directly.

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Lol. Another awesome scumslip. Told you this claim was fake.

Doc heal Texcat. They are conftown if no multiball.

Now will y'all believe me when I say the gs claim is fake.

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All of that is ultimately irrelevant and

probably seems like me trying to defend my fakeclaim

.

you even quoted the context

it's a from-another-POV sentence

how was that not clear

Cannot figure out if dumb or scum. That was written in first person.

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We also now a tracker is likely scum, or more apt the gs.

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Show these towntells.

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aegor is not dumb

it's one false "scumslip" in a sea of towntells

ignore everything until you see something that fits your narrow POV!!

I think dumb fits...I was wondering if you were dumb or scum. Aegor's full of shit.

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We are gunna no lynch....

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it's one false "scumslip" in

a sea of towntells

Aegor (7):

zMuffinMan, Elyse, Psyche,

Marquis,

Josh_B, texcat, OkaPoka

Fuck it!!!! Fuck all the wagons except this one...

VOTE: marquis

Explain...

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Stop dicking around and lynch. We have 7 hours.

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PV, we don't have time for Q and A.

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Reinoe, can I be in your hood? Mine has lurking PV dumb town and texcat....

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Sk and one mafia team ok

VOTE: Psyche

Right now I am ok with both oka and psyche. Reinoe is ok too.

#forgiveme

VOTE: Psyche

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My scumreads are way off. So I sheep.

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Titus, Mirhawk, reinoe, notscience

these people should ashamed of lynching a claimed pr.

I will lynch Mirhawk, reinoe, notscience, due to they aren't prs. But my FOS still stands.

I am not a claimed pr. I crumbed one. It is up for debate if I am a PR.