New York 182 - Game Over

[OkaPoka]

Im really sorry guys. Im in the mou tains internet is bad. Expext catchup and postong on sunday n

[OkaPoka]

im back.

catching up.

[OkaPoka]

wow is this game messy.

can someone explain otalia wagon and varsoon wagon?

I don't understand them.

[OkaPoka]

does anyone else besides pisskop want me to replace out, because i will without argument if anyone says something.

normal for anti
y/n?

very important for my read on him.

[OkaPoka]

After taking a shower, I was thinking if Varsoon's hated claim made sense.

There are two possibilities:
Varsoon is maf or a pr.

The end

[OkaPoka]

Fuck it.
Varsoon are you a VT?

[OkaPoka]

Do you think Varsoon/Otolia together makes any kind of sense Sakura?
Because I don't.

I think it does

Why? what benefit does he gain from doing what he's doing.

town cred when varsoon flips scum

[OkaPoka]

Why try so hard to push a scummate's fakeclaim that he's already retracted? It's one thing to try and and bus a scummate, but his thought process is too strange and directed to be coming from a place of "I am hoping to get towncred from this" when really what he's doing would clearly just confuse people.

I am actually thinking otalia scum.

But you are right, it wouldn't make any sense for them to be on a team.

But it could be sk and maf.

@Anti i am

[OkaPoka]

whenever i speak its detrimental to town

ill keep my trap shut till i think of something to say

[OkaPoka]

Sakura is town.
notsci (no comment)

[OkaPoka]

Why are you townreading Sakura?

because i instantly have townreads on anime avatars.

im srs its a disease.

[OkaPoka]

WHAT BORING READS YOU HAVE THERE OKA.
DO YOU WANT ME TO RESCIND MY WEAK TOWNREAD ON YOU OR WHAT?
HOLY MOLY.

Also stoppit sakura you're making me nervous with all of the mainhunting

<3

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: varsoon

Sakura vote varsoon pls.

Like seriously he is scum.

He is stalling, and why would you trust a liar. He is blatantly backstabbing you and you don't even realize it.

[OkaPoka]

that feeling when you finally found scum

[OkaPoka]

piss,
how is like being on a scumteam with varsoon?

[OkaPoka]

Varsoon not a great scum. Im undefeated, on the other hand.

so are u disappointed in how poorly varsoon is playing as scum?

is it ruining your scum game?

[OkaPoka]

IM FOLLOWING YOU?

NO

COME AND VOTE VARSOON WITH ME!

[OkaPoka]

IM FOLLOWING YOU?

NO

COME AND VOTE VARSOON WITH ME!

What can he even do if we let him live a night? he said he'd be confirmed town tomorrow right? And I already said i'd make sure he doesnt pull anything funny.

do you really trust somebody who ALREADY LIED.

how does that even help.

maybe he'll get his scumbuddy piss to claim cop and invest him.

[OkaPoka]

maybe he'll get his scumbuddy piss to claim cop and invest him.

That'd be quite suspicious, he said he'd be confirmed tomorrow, if someone else comes and claims a cop on him then i wouldn't trust it, if he has ways to confirm himself then he can go ahead and do that.
Basically he has to confirm himself on his own, not rely on someone to cop him, and if he doesnt then we'll powerlynch him then.

And you just got a townie lynch for free!
And you allowed mafia to get off the hook for a day!

CONGRATULATIONS!

[OkaPoka]

Would you like a cookie for your brilliance?

But answer this:

Do you trust somebody who blatantly lied already?

[OkaPoka]

I am!

In fact, letting him live for a day could get a townie killed. For free!

And guess what! Scum just got off scot free for a day.

[OkaPoka]

Would you like a cookie for your brilliance?

But answer this:

Do you trust somebody who blatantly lied already?

It's Varsoon i can't trust anything related to Varsoon, but he's willing to be up on the chopping block tomorrow if he's not confirmed town, what difference does it makes to you if he dies today or tomorrow if according to you he's blatantly lying?

PEd: i thought i said i wouldn't let him pull anything funny during the night?

why can't varsoon just prove himself town today?
hmmm?

[OkaPoka]

Would you like a cookie for your brilliance?

But answer this:

Do you trust somebody who blatantly lied already?

It's Varsoon

i can't trust anything related to Varsoon

, but he's willing to be up on the chopping block tomorrow if he's not confirmed town, what difference does it makes to you if he dies today or tomorrow if according to you he's blatantly lying?

PEd: i thought i said i wouldn't let him pull anything funny during the night?

so you are going to trust him today.

ok

[OkaPoka]

Would you like a cookie for your brilliance?

But answer this:

Do you trust somebody who blatantly lied already?

It's Varsoon i can't trust anything related to Varsoon,

but he's willing to be up on the chopping block tomorrow if he's not confirmed town

, what difference does it makes to you if he dies today or tomorrow if according to you he's blatantly lying?

PEd: i thought i said i wouldn't let him pull anything funny during the night?

Ever learned what the word "but" means?

who are u suggesting to lynch?

[OkaPoka]

who are u suggesting to lynch?

I have multiple candidates on my scumreads from strong to weak

Otolia
pisskop
elusive
You
copper
Fuzzy

Take your pick

explain each of the your candidates.

[OkaPoka]

UNVOTE: varsoon

fine
ill rethink

still need that list/explanation sakura

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: flame of disaster

i guess ill go sheep notty

[OkaPoka]

Really, i've already explained all of them but ok, i'll condense it for people unable to ISO like you.
Otolia: Not wanting to scumhunt outside of Varsoon and IIoA as pointed out by Flubber before, wanting to "confirm Varsoon's a hated" despite already being confirmed that he isn't.
pisskop: Lashing out at anti, making him look toxic just to end up voting him as soon as copper jumped onto him, thinking opportunistic scum atm.
elusive: too passive and careful about voting Varsoon back then when it mattered, rather jumping on Flubber and then doing nothing.
You: Role Fishing.
copper: Mostly coz i didnt like his reasoning for voting anti, but im doubting that read at this point.
Fuzzy: Left overs from choof, replacement hasnt made me feel any better but it's a stale read at this point.

otalia: not confident, as tunnelers can and seem to be town a lot.
pisskop: ehh maybe
elusive: from my experience he does nothing until he find one scum and then tunnels the shit out of them
me: no
cooper: you don't even want to vote him so whatevs
fuzzy: NULL

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: pisskop
actually that makes more sense than FoD scum as there are more reasons to vote him over FoD.

[OkaPoka]

btw i still want varsoon dead.

[OkaPoka]

Notscience is a bad player and an even worse mod. I think that he will get banned from modding in no time.

However, Notscience is a good person. Persons are good. Play, can be judged.


There is nothing wrong with character assassination.

not this shit again

[OkaPoka]

Do you want to respond to my point that you are the worst mod ever?

keep that out of the game man.

[OkaPoka]

Your psychology class has taught you well.

Except that you've been sleeping in it quite frequently.

jester?

[OkaPoka]

PUPPIES?
OMG
VOTE: flames

[OkaPoka]

i want puppy notty,
you disappoint
i might have to revert to pisskop

[OkaPoka]

You've never had a cute puppy in your avatar, like ever.

Fake puppy lover.


But, I cannot resist.

VOTE: Flames of Disaster

wtf

[OkaPoka]

UNVOTE: flames of disaster
VOTE: flames of disaster
UNVOTE: flames of disaster
VOTE: flames of disaster
UNVOTE: flames of disaster
VOTE: flames of disaster

more puppies

srsly though, stop being a dick flames.

[OkaPoka]

thats 4 puppies you owe us notty.

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: pisskop

I'VE EXPRESSED THIS SUSPICION FOR A WHILE NOW PISSKOP THIS ISN'T OPPORTUNISTIC

Lul.
Your text screams emotionally charged missrep, which I find incredibly terrible and scummy in general.

. but this says town



what do . . . probably not mention how oppurtunistic this whole game is

vote fod pls!

he is scum and he deserves to be voted out

[OkaPoka]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6380986
proof that Flames of disaster likes to piss people off as scum.

[OkaPoka]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6380986
proof that Flames of disaster likes to piss people off as scum.

It is also proof that I would win perfectly as scum because all of you would be roasted alive.

can we vote him up already?

[OkaPoka]

im really sorry bulge but i need mai puppies
UNVOTE: flames of disaster
VOTE: flames of disaster
UNVOTE: flames of disaster
VOTE: flames of disaster
UNVOTE: flames of disaster
VOTE: flames of disaster
UNVOTE: flames of disaster
VOTE: flames of disaster
UNVOTE: flames of disaster
VOTE: flames of disaster

thats 5 more puppies!

[OkaPoka]

u owe us 9 cute puppies

guys come and sheep the best wagon!
you get puppies
and scum lynched
a win win

[OkaPoka]

Spoiler: The Mod was here

pedit

AFTER THIS POST, only new joiners of the wagon will get a puppy

However, once he is lynched, I will post one puppy picture in every single post I make for the rest of the game

YESYESYES
KILL HIM NOW

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: copper

? explain?

or you could come and vote up flames with us

[OkaPoka]

You know the only difference between you and SleepyKrew is that you're not insufferable.

The amount of backing off when I said that I could be confirmed, the people asking for claim from me, the PR-read insistence, the LITERALLY WRITING A LIST TO SET ME UP FOR A QUICK LYNCH AFTER I GET BLOCKED TONIGHT, etc.

Shit's mad obvious.

Or it could be that you're lying (AGAIN) and are trying to see if you can pave a way to more lying. But it's easier to blame someone else than accept one's own shortcomings.

@notscience : Well that was fast. I'm wondering where you're coming from since we had a misunderstanding and you keep writing with this weird formatting as if you were illiterate. But fine, we'll get to that in due time.

y

flames, claim

WHAT ?! FUCK NO ! If he is voting himself, we can assume he is not a PR. That would be retarded. Thus no claiming. Either he unvotes himself and starts playing or he is lynched.

NO FUCKING CLAIMING !

holding this against you if he is a pr

[OkaPoka]

hype
VOTE: otolia
varsoon pls

[OkaPoka]

omg inb4 varsoon pgo

get hype

[OkaPoka]

Otolia has requested replacement.

rofl

[OkaPoka]

NOBODY GO CRAZY HAMMERING.

we still need varsoon to do his shit

[OkaPoka]

Get rolled, Scum.
I was one-shot Vig. I shot Sakura.
I also received something overnight, by the by.
Gimme a sec and I'll pull up the post where I essentially said I'd kill Sakura.

i <3 you

[OkaPoka]

wow

probably going to lurk now until things deg interesting again

no

[OkaPoka]

OFC otolia replaces lol/

[OkaPoka]

Day 2

Sakura Hana has been killed. She was a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

Formerfish has been killed. He was a

Mafia 2-shot Tracker

.

thats op

im guessing a 3p maf team?

[OkaPoka]

Hello all.
So, I'm on page 8 so far, and here are my initial thoughts, just from those pages:

Antihero leans somewhat scum
TheFuzzy/Choof leans very slightly scum, even after looking past the "I'm a noob, I don't understand" claim
Gorkington reads town to me
Kitten/Droog I can't read. Either noob town, or bad mafia
Marquis reads town to me
Seohyun, with her one informative post up to that point, leans somewhat scum
Thor I have no idea how to read.
Varsoon seems slightly town, but I can't tell because of the early wagon placed upon him.

Working on getting caught up, will give more reads later.

question.

how does it feel like to replace into a scum slot?

[OkaPoka]

forst order of business:

elusive are you town?

ika I'm always fucking town, these days I'm town against my will which is frustrating.

however, what will happen when I do roll scum and you ask that question? How will I get around it?

thats for you to figure out darling

if i told you now you would use it to counter me.

ok so i have concluded elusive is town.

---

elusive do you have a rainbow read list for me? i have only been losely paying attention but i would like to hear from you

u should vote mnemoicadeivce/otolia

[OkaPoka]

i don't see the antihero case.

but otolia is an ez lynch

[OkaPoka]

ika, no I need to reread. I ignored some of the game bc of excessive drama and all the damn replaces. i'll reread tomorrow and iso scums and then give you something. there was a lot of sniping in the game that was blah.

if you vote otolia/mnemoic no reread needed

[OkaPoka]

I don't understand the case on Otolia.
And Sakura forgot to buddy Anti in favor of buddying me, remember?

wow much strong case 10/10.

/s

[OkaPoka]

Are these rhetorical questions ? Right now there isn't anything better to do than making sure the town is set on a decision regarding Varsoon's lies. Call me old-school but lying as town should be a basis for a policy lynch in any and all normal scenarii.

Also I was waiting for people to do something else than vote me and be done with it - like Seohyun above, just so we can get some productive work going but it seems it shall not be the case. I was trying to reason with Sakura Hana but she can't grasp the difference between explicit and implicit, so that's sad. House hasn't replied to my question here.

Not rhetorical questions, pls answer. Also, what's your idea of productive work? getting varsoon lynched? Everything else is unimportant?
Is there anyone else you have a read on besides varsoon? Share your opinions, I promise it be won't harmful in establishing good reads or your money back!

They were rhetorical questions. You can't possibly ask me directly if I'm scum. You may not like the way I play but I've been playing Mafia IRL for more than a decade. Do you really think that were I scum, I would admit to be ? Don't be ridiculous. I shall not answer any of your first questions aside from re-iterating that I have no emotional connections with Varsoon. His play is objectively bad and he should be treated as a liability.

1. Productive work is work that leads to the desired specific outcome. When you're fishing, you don't just grab the first rod you find and go to the river, no you prepare your rod to catch the specific fish you want and you organize yourself so that you can indeed catch it. Same with scumhunting, throwing a wide net and hoping to catch scum with it is fine, not moving on to specifics afterwards is the mark of poor town play. Note that this is what I flagged Flubbernugget doing.

2. Varsoon is a liability, he lied about his abilities before L-1, then got caught and admitted said lie. Now he is saying he can proves his alignment by tomorrow. I do believe there is a strong possibility he is town (and a PR at that), but I can't feel but intrigued as to why he decided to act before L-1. So far, he has not given town enough to trust him. If he is indeed town-aligned, he has fucked up immensely but still acts as if he were the sole person able to help town. This is incredibly arrogant and foolish for someone who succumbs to the first wagon in a Large game. I think lynching him is the safest play and it's the one I advocate. But consensus needs to be achieved regarding his actions. And at that point, I believe his death by lynch or Vig would be better than his death by NK. In the first case, we control and people are held accountable, in the second, we don't really know. What if he is killed by someone and we can't see his alignment or his previous abilities ? There is too much breadcrumb left by Varsoon for me to ignore and move on to another case. As such I shall remain on his wagon until people start acting rationally.

3. Right now, everyone is in the same gray area. I am leaning scum on House, Flames of Disaster and Flubbernugget while there is probably scum among the people not posting much.

@House :

Varsoon has been very liberal with his words. What he says holds little value to me until he redeems himself. Still that's a start. But that's not enough, what prevents anyone from pulling the same shit and cruise off in the sunset ? If we are going to do this, then I want everyone voting or having vote on Varsoon to agree to lynch him tomorrow in the event he fails to deliver. No backsies, no discussion, just pure rational decision making. With 8 people it's enough to drive a wagon so big, it won't matter if scum is in it.

UNVOTE: Varsoon

---

The Covenant of Varsoon

Varsoon shall be voted D2 if he can't prove his town alignment by the following players

:

• Sakura Hana
  
  
• House
  
  
• Otolia
  
  
• Thor665
  
• Formerfish
  
• Flames of Disaster
  
• Marquis
  
• Antihero

If you are on this list, please confirm that you will act without ANY questions or conditions ask, or you shall be held accountable as well.

---

@droog

: Can you please write my name correctly ?

You know the only difference between you and SleepyKrew is that you're not insufferable.

The amount of backing off when I said that I could be confirmed, the people asking for claim from me, the PR-read insistence, the LITERALLY WRITING A LIST TO SET ME UP FOR A QUICK LYNCH AFTER I GET BLOCKED TONIGHT, etc.

Shit's mad obvious.

Or it could be that you're lying (AGAIN) and are trying to see if you can pave a way to more lying. But it's easier to blame someone else than accept one's own shortcomings.

@notscience : Well that was fast. I'm wondering where you're coming from since we had a misunderstanding and you keep writing with this weird formatting as if you were illiterate. But fine, we'll get to that in due time.

y

flames, claim

WHAT ?! FUCK NO ! If he is voting himself, we can assume he is not a PR. That would be retarded. Thus no claiming. Either he unvotes himself and starts playing or he is lynched.

NO FUCKING CLAIMING !

Lynch!

Flames of Disaster has been lynched. He was a

Town Watcher

.

It is now Night 1. Please submit all Night Actions within (expired on 2015-03-19 19:10:00).

sample of his scum

[OkaPoka]

especially the last 2 posts.

im thinking sk

[OkaPoka]

@elusive are u scumreading thor? if so scale of 1-10 how much

[OkaPoka]

I find it suspicious that elusive and Thor are essentially tunneling each other but aren't even voting each other, instead they are voting the same DAMN person!

[OkaPoka]

Thor why not otolia/mnemoic device?

[OkaPoka]

mnemonicdevice
vote him up

[OkaPoka]

How does feel to get a taste of otalias medicine?

If you think im scum for tunneling you. Then you should vote otalia.

Oh wait. Thats you.

[OkaPoka]

Here's an ISO analysis of Oka:

After taking a shower, I was thinking if Varsoon's hated claim made sense.

There are two possibilities:
Varsoon is maf or a pr.

The end

Speculation on Varsoon's claim--

Why try so hard to push a scummate's fakeclaim that he's already retracted? It's one thing to try and and bus a scummate, but his thought process is too strange and directed to be coming from a place of "I am hoping to get towncred from this" when really what he's doing would clearly just confuse people.

I am actually thinking otalia scum.

But you are right, it wouldn't make any sense for them to be on a team.

But it could be sk and maf.

@Anti i am

-- Thinks Otolia and Varsoon are scum, but not scum together

VOTE: varsoon

Sakura vote varsoon pls.

Like seriously he is scum.

He is stalling, and why would you trust a liar. He is blatantly backstabbing you and you don't even realize it.

Provides reason for Varsoon case

piss,
how is like being on a scumteam with varsoon?

Piss is now a scumread

who are u suggesting to lynch?

I have multiple candidates on my scumreads from strong to weak

Otolia
pisskop
elusive
You
copper
Fuzzy

Take your pick

explain each of the your candidates.

Asks people to explain their scumreads, yet he hasn't explained

A SINGLE ONE

of his cases except Varsoon's whose case is summed up by "Don't trust a liar"

VOTE: flame of disaster

i guess ill go sheep notty

Sheeps Notscience, for no apparent reason.

Really, i've already explained all of them but ok, i'll condense it for people unable to ISO like you.
Otolia: Not wanting to scumhunt outside of Varsoon and IIoA as pointed out by Flubber before, wanting to "confirm Varsoon's a hated" despite already being confirmed that he isn't.
pisskop: Lashing out at anti, making him look toxic just to end up voting him as soon as copper jumped onto him, thinking opportunistic scum atm.
elusive: too passive and careful about voting Varsoon back then when it mattered, rather jumping on Flubber and then doing nothing.
You: Role Fishing.
copper: Mostly coz i didnt like his reasoning for voting anti, but im doubting that read at this point.
Fuzzy: Left overs from choof, replacement hasnt made me feel any better but it's a stale read at this point.

otalia: not confident, as tunnelers can and seem to be town a lot.
pisskop: ehh maybe
elusive: from my experience he does nothing until he find one scum and then tunnels the shit out of them
me: no
cooper: you don't even want to vote him so whatevs
fuzzy: NULL

Finally, a post of content. Now retracts some of his read upon Otolia, now he isn't confident. The rest of the list he is quite wishy-washy upon as well, except that he isn't scum in his own eyes, and nor is Fuzzy.

btw i still want varsoon dead.

WHY

CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US WHY

PLEASE

Then, in following posts he sheeps Notscience on the FoD wagon.

Get rolled, Scum.
I was one-shot Vig. I shot Sakura.
I also received something overnight, by the by.
Gimme a sec and I'll pull up the post where I essentially said I'd kill Sakura.

i <3 you

Stance change on Varsoon, because he claims Vig, but in such a way that it isn't verifyable.

forst order of business:

elusive are you town?

ika I'm always fucking town, these days I'm town against my will which is frustrating.

however, what will happen when I do roll scum and you ask that question? How will I get around it?

thats for you to figure out darling

if i told you now you would use it to counter me.

ok so i have concluded elusive is town.

---

elusive do you have a rainbow read list for me? i have only been losely paying attention but i would like to hear from you

u should vote mnemoicadeivce/otolia

And yet again, pushes Otolia wagon, without saying anything.

ika, no I need to reread. I ignored some of the game bc of excessive drama and all the damn replaces. i'll reread tomorrow and iso scums and then give you something. there was a lot of sniping in the game that was blah.

if you vote otolia/mnemoic no reread needed

Then this is posted, further trying to push the wagon, without evidence, and also doesn't want ika to look for evidence either...

Posts this:

Are these rhetorical questions ? Right now there isn't anything better to do than making sure the town is set on a decision regarding Varsoon's lies. Call me old-school but lying as town should be a basis for a policy lynch in any and all normal scenarii.

Also I was waiting for people to do something else than vote me and be done with it - like Seohyun above, just so we can get some productive work going but it seems it shall not be the case. I was trying to reason with Sakura Hana but she can't grasp the difference between explicit and implicit, so that's sad. House hasn't replied to my question here.

Not rhetorical questions, pls answer. Also, what's your idea of productive work? getting varsoon lynched? Everything else is unimportant?
Is there anyone else you have a read on besides varsoon? Share your opinions, I promise it be won't harmful in establishing good reads or your money back!

They were rhetorical questions. You can't possibly ask me directly if I'm scum. You may not like the way I play but I've been playing Mafia IRL for more than a decade. Do you really think that were I scum, I would admit to be ? Don't be ridiculous. I shall not answer any of your first questions aside from re-iterating that I have no emotional connections with Varsoon. His play is objectively bad and he should be treated as a liability.

1. Productive work is work that leads to the desired specific outcome. When you're fishing, you don't just grab the first rod you find and go to the river, no you prepare your rod to catch the specific fish you want and you organize yourself so that you can indeed catch it. Same with scumhunting, throwing a wide net and hoping to catch scum with it is fine, not moving on to specifics afterwards is the mark of poor town play. Note that this is what I flagged Flubbernugget doing.

2. Varsoon is a liability, he lied about his abilities before L-1, then got caught and admitted said lie. Now he is saying he can proves his alignment by tomorrow. I do believe there is a strong possibility he is town (and a PR at that), but I can't feel but intrigued as to why he decided to act before L-1. So far, he has not given town enough to trust him. If he is indeed town-aligned, he has fucked up immensely but still acts as if he were the sole person able to help town. This is incredibly arrogant and foolish for someone who succumbs to the first wagon in a Large game. I think lynching him is the safest play and it's the one I advocate. But consensus needs to be achieved regarding his actions. And at that point, I believe his death by lynch or Vig would be better than his death by NK. In the first case, we control and people are held accountable, in the second, we don't really know. What if he is killed by someone and we can't see his alignment or his previous abilities ? There is too much breadcrumb left by Varsoon for me to ignore and move on to another case. As such I shall remain on his wagon until people start acting rationally.

3. Right now, everyone is in the same gray area. I am leaning scum on House, Flames of Disaster and Flubbernugget while there is probably scum among the people not posting much.

@House :

Varsoon has been very liberal with his words. What he says holds little value to me until he redeems himself. Still that's a start. But that's not enough, what prevents anyone from pulling the same shit and cruise off in the sunset ? If we are going to do this, then I want everyone voting or having vote on Varsoon to agree to lynch him tomorrow in the event he fails to deliver. No backsies, no discussion, just pure rational decision making. With 8 people it's enough to drive a wagon so big, it won't matter if scum is in it.

UNVOTE: Varsoon

---

The Covenant of Varsoon

Varsoon shall be voted D2 if he can't prove his town alignment by the following players

:

• Sakura Hana
  
  
• House
  
  
• Otolia
  
  
• Thor665
  
• Formerfish
  
• Flames of Disaster
  
• Marquis
  
• Antihero

If you are on this list, please confirm that you will act without ANY questions or conditions ask, or you shall be held accountable as well.

---

@droog

: Can you please write my name correctly ?

You know the only difference between you and SleepyKrew is that you're not insufferable.

The amount of backing off when I said that I could be confirmed, the people asking for claim from me, the PR-read insistence, the LITERALLY WRITING A LIST TO SET ME UP FOR A QUICK LYNCH AFTER I GET BLOCKED TONIGHT, etc.

Shit's mad obvious.

Or it could be that you're lying (AGAIN) and are trying to see if you can pave a way to more lying. But it's easier to blame someone else than accept one's own shortcomings.

@notscience : Well that was fast. I'm wondering where you're coming from since we had a misunderstanding and you keep writing with this weird formatting as if you were illiterate. But fine, we'll get to that in due time.

y

flames, claim

WHAT ?! FUCK NO ! If he is voting himself, we can assume he is not a PR. That would be retarded. Thus no claiming. Either he unvotes himself and starts playing or he is lynched.

NO FUCKING CLAIMING !

Lynch!

Flames of Disaster has been lynched. He was a

Town Watcher

.

It is now Night 1. Please submit all Night Actions within (expired on 2015-03-19 19:10:00).

sample of his scum

Without at all explaining it. Walls are not good, if they do nothing.

I find it suspicious that elusive and Thor are essentially tunneling each other but aren't even voting each other, instead they are voting the same DAMN person!

This is the only non "LYNCH OTOLIA HE'S SCUM" post in quite a while.

Then, following this are three more "Vote Mnemonic" posts... and that is all.

This is the most active lurker/fluffposter I've seen in a while. I'll explain more when I get back later tonight on this read.


Pedit: No, I don't think marquis inconsistency is a scumtell, just a mistake in a game with so many posts.

Im just suggesting that someone should meta me.

[OkaPoka]

You know the only difference between you and SleepyKrew is that you're not insufferable.

The amount of backing off when I said that I could be confirmed, the people asking for claim from me, the PR-read insistence, the LITERALLY WRITING A LIST TO SET ME UP FOR A QUICK LYNCH AFTER I GET BLOCKED TONIGHT, etc.

Shit's mad obvious.

Or it could be that you're lying (AGAIN) and are trying to see if you can pave a way to more lying. But it's easier to blame someone else than accept one's own shortcomings.

@notscience : Well that was fast. I'm wondering where you're coming from since we had a misunderstanding and you keep writing with this weird formatting as if you were illiterate. But fine, we'll get to that in due time.

y

flames, claim

WHAT ?! FUCK NO ! If he is voting himself, we can assume he is not a PR. That would be retarded. Thus no claiming. Either he unvotes himself and starts playing or he is lynched.

NO FUCKING CLAIMING !

oh cool, then i get to rob boonskiies of the hammer

VOTE: flames

EAT IT BOON

Now I look at it. Its kind of suspicious how antihero was so easily manipulated by otolia.

[OkaPoka]

@MOD is there a reason why otolia replaced out, or is that confidential.

[OkaPoka]

fuck it.

VOTE: Antihero

[OkaPoka]

You know the only difference between you and SleepyKrew is that you're not insufferable.

The amount of backing off when I said that I could be confirmed, the people asking for claim from me, the PR-read insistence, the LITERALLY WRITING A LIST TO SET ME UP FOR A QUICK LYNCH AFTER I GET BLOCKED TONIGHT, etc.

Shit's mad obvious.

Or it could be that you're lying (AGAIN) and are trying to see if you can pave a way to more lying. But it's easier to blame someone else than accept one's own shortcomings.

@notscience : Well that was fast. I'm wondering where you're coming from since we had a misunderstanding and you keep writing with this weird formatting as if you were illiterate. But fine, we'll get to that in due time.

y

flames, claim

WHAT ?! FUCK NO ! If he is voting himself, we can assume he is not a PR. That would be retarded. Thus no claiming. Either he unvotes himself and starts playing or he is lynched.

NO FUCKING CLAIMING !

oh cool, then i get to rob boonskiies of the hammer

VOTE: flames

EAT IT BOON

Now I look at it. Its kind of suspicious how antihero was so easily manipulated by otolia.

reason.

my other scumread, mnemoic, isn't getting enough traction and at this rate we won't lynch anyone.

[OkaPoka]

I do not approve of voting outside the 3.

Go back to mnenie,

Why am I playing 20 questions with you instead of voting Scum Flubber?

vote: Flubber

ok.

keep voting flubber and ill keep voting anti.

We can compromise and both vote mnemonic.

[OkaPoka]

Who is you three? On what basis do you make this argument? How does your statement fit with the fact of this game and ISOs of two scum flips?

Flubber, Otolia, elusive are all good candidates for scum too.
I'm less certain on Flubber now that he's actually POSTING CONTENT, tho i called him out on that earlier.
Otolia is still doing nothing regardless and just wants to see Varsoon dead no matter what.
elusive is... odd, probably my weakest scumread of the 3 at this point.

htmm

Its like you dont read \o/

But nonetheless. IS my vote causing you so much angst?

yes.

but do you want one of the three to die?
vote mnemoic and ill rejoin the wagon.

[OkaPoka]

elusive works too

[OkaPoka]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mnemoiicdevice

lets go

[OkaPoka]

@mnemoicdevice.
Do you realize that your role has caused the doom of Flames? He gave the accused no right to speak for himself, at all. Even though I wanted FoD dead too, the accused should have a chance to claim. And in this case we could have kept a pr in play.

[OkaPoka]

@Oka Please give me a non-terrible reason for why you are pushing my wagon so much. Please be more elaborate than the sentence "you're scum" because that isn't true. VOTE: Unvote \

VOTE: OkaPoka

I don't care if your meta says that you always play without explaining your votes. It is a terrible practice for town, and in my opinion worth a policy lynch at least.

nice wifom vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know what needs a policy lynch? A person replacing out immediately after lynching a pr, a player(me) threatening to hold his statement against him if the lynchee flips pr.

Also Anti is at fault, and he's next on my list.

[OkaPoka]

So, I went through the entire game (well, just through the votecounts, so I may have missed one or two votes that were quickly switched), made a circle of all the players, and all of the votes were represented as an arrow, the things I noticed were:

-Nearly everyone has been on the Varsoon wagon at some time, the exceptions are:
--NS: Whose only votes have been on Gork and me
--Gork: Whose only votes have been on SW/FF and me
--Flub: Whose only vote has been on me
--OkaPoka: Whose only votes have been on FoD and me
--Seoh- Whose only votes were on Marquis and me
Thats all... five players in a game of 21, some of which have been quite inactive. Note how the only people who stayed off of the Varsoon wagon have only had a few votes, and all of them have voted me..

-Boon has only voted Varsoon. Ever. Then he comes out of the blue with nearly 0 posts and claims that he wishes to hammer me, but then takes it back as a joke.
-Seoh has only vote me, and has only been voted on by Anti.

Also your statement about me is a complete and utter lie.
I voted pisskop and varson.

[OkaPoka]

@boonskies any reason for your hardcore lurking strats?
@ns what happened to you? lynching a pr is your only goal?

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: varsoon

Sakura vote varsoon pls.

Like seriously he is scum.

He is stalling, and why would you trust a liar. He is blatantly backstabbing you and you don't even realize it.

VOTE: pisskop
actually that makes more sense than FoD scum as there are more reasons to vote him over FoD.

[OkaPoka]

never lynch

Antihero (town meta. i have no idea why you guys are so hellbent on his lynch but there's such a noticeable difference between his town and scum meta and this one is the former)
copper223 (vvvvv, posts sound genuinely town motivated anyway)
Gorkington (claim)
droog (either he's town or he'll get killed if i'm wrong)
Marquis
Varsoon (sakura interactions + claim, if he's sk/otherscum he'll likely be vigged anyway)

don't lynch today

notscience (easier to read later on. haven't seen recent posts though so if there was a category between this and the one below... maybe there??)
Flubbernugget
ika (i can't read ika but i don't actually want to put him in the lower group because i like him too much to want gone at all right now)
OkaPoka
pisskop
Seohyun (this matches the rest of the play i've seen from seo - now that pokemon upick is over i'm also allowed to say i haven't seen her scumplay but so far posts have been open and honest)
ZZZX (seems like usual town zzzx but tbh i haven't really been paying too much attention to him lately)

ok i guess with lynching

Boonskiies (uh)
TheFuzzylogic99 (i should really stop townreading people for saying dumb things. i can't really tell what's intentional or not either)
elusive (??? idk, can die i guess)
Thor665 (not a fan of his pushes and attitude recently, and while i'm still kind of unsure whether he'll flip scum at this point i don't care because if he's scum he'll be hard to catch anyway plus either flip will probably be better for town)

please lynch

mnemonicdevice (scum.)

---

a quick gutfeel+memory lynch list. i realized halfway through making it just how disconnected i've been from the game and just how many null/"i have no fucking idea" reads i have but i really don't know how to dive into it with all the shit going on the last few pages

somebody make me want to do something

switch anti with thor. Put Fuzzy and Copper in do not lynch today. Put ns, zzzx, and droog in lynch. And this list is good.

[OkaPoka]

Still don't understand the Fuzzy case after a quick iso of him.

[OkaPoka]

But I like lynching NS.

VOTE: notscience
reason? After he was finished with Flames of Disaster, we barely heard from him ever again.

[OkaPoka]

I could push a NS wagon

lets amend our animosities and kill the real scum.

[OkaPoka]

Sorry I really got nothing to contribute to the conversation . Other than lynch ns.

[OkaPoka]

That's L-1 folks.

no flashhammering pls.

[OkaPoka]

Piss...
You want to make me bang my head on the wall out of frustration.

Droog
The way I pushed for the anylisis was bad in I do not how to push well. The analysis itself was not bad.Atleast you are trying to put a decent case against me instead of voting for me for some imaginary reason......

ugh NS is going to actively lurk and act scummy and get away with it .....

he's l2 calm down

[OkaPoka]

I think Boonskiees is just coasting this game, which is not boonskiies like.

I think that should be the next lynch target.

[OkaPoka]

Okawhat do you think of Piss.... Depending what NS flips I will consider it.

he's a poop that likes to keep changing his votes.

He is also easily convinced.

[OkaPoka]

Why the flash wagon on Thor?

something from this slot i agree on

[OkaPoka]

I really don't want a thor lynch.

[OkaPoka]

If anyone wants a boonskiies lynch im down.

[OkaPoka]

At least zzzx votes. Lets go fer boon.

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: boonskiees
lets do this

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: zzzx

other lurker it is

[OkaPoka]

now i dont want ns to die either.

i dont want any of these top 2 wagons

[OkaPoka]

zzzx or boonskiees pls

[OkaPoka]

but i dont want fuzzy ded

[OkaPoka]

but he's fuzzylogic

dont make me want to lynch u

[OkaPoka]

zzzx wagon GGOOOOO

cmon lets do it

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: notscience

lynch better than nolynch

[OkaPoka]

Oka, you told me if I did that for you last night you'd vote thor over me!

wat

[OkaPoka]

That thing

Back at your place

you know

creep

[OkaPoka]

That thing

Back at your place

you know

creep

[OkaPoka]

so we can lynch you then.

[OkaPoka]

I reallyhave no opinion on thor its just survivalism.

-____-

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: thor

[OkaPoka]

UNVOTE:

fuck i can't make up my mind anymore

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: notscience

[OkaPoka]

do you know who has been coasting the entire game?

fucking boon.

[OkaPoka]

how did town lose that rip

gg marquis