NY 184: a help (done)

MattP · Post Post #42 (isolation #0) » Mon May 11, 2015 1:52 pm

I haven really been reading yet because I'm at work, but I love when someone tells people to slow down on page two of the game

MattP · Post Post #43 (isolation #1) » Mon May 11, 2015 1:53 pm

I love when someone tells Jesup Christ to slow down on page two of the game*

MattP · Post Post #45 (isolation #2) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:36 pm

VOTE: the bulge

MattP · Post Post #47 (isolation #3) » Mon May 11, 2015 3:50 pm

Bulge complained about two pages of activity, patronized two players for having a single scum read, then claimed two town reads (on the two players he patronized) based on the two pages of content that happened that he complained of. Why is he unhappy about content that gave him TWO townreads, why is he complaining about two pages of content, why can a player not have a scumread pg 2 but he can have TWO townreads

Lel

MattP · Post Post #48 (isolation #4) » Mon May 11, 2015 3:54 pm

It looks like bulge had insider knowledge that rc and jake were town as an aside but that doesn't matter rn

It's just on several levels bad AND scummy

MattP · Post Post #61 (isolation #5) » Mon May 11, 2015 4:14 pm

Sentnecessary 1 3 and 4 of your 4 sentence paragraph directed at jake and rc are "patronizing"

MattP · Post Post #63 (isolation #6) » Mon May 11, 2015 4:15 pm

It's really hard to post on phone

I'm really suffering here

MattP · Post Post #77 (isolation #7) » Mon May 11, 2015 5:11 pm

You guys are so noble

MattP · Post Post #80 (isolation #8) » Mon May 11, 2015 5:33 pm

If you agree rc then you wouldn't think jake was scum??

MattP · Post Post #82 (isolation #9) » Mon May 11, 2015 5:57 pm

Then you don't "agree"

MattP · Post Post #83 (isolation #10) » Mon May 11, 2015 5:57 pm

You just have your own opinion regarding it

MattP · Post Post #91 (isolation #11) » Mon May 11, 2015 6:42 pm

In post 87, RadiantCowbells wrote:Matt, what's your stance on me and Jake and why?

The limited amount I've read so far, since I'm on my phone, from you reads town. I don't think youre being particularly critical right now

I haven't read anything of Jakes yet. I've only read what your posts directly engaging with me or of your read on bulge. I started selectively reading at bulges forst in thread post

MattP · Post Post #93 (isolation #12) » Mon May 11, 2015 6:53 pm

Because I'm at my phone at work

And because I have eyes that can see and a brain that can process what posts to put brain power into on a small phone screen

MattP · Post Post #95 (isolation #13) » Mon May 11, 2015 7:18 pm

MattP · Post Post #110 (isolation #14) » Tue May 12, 2015 11:23 am

My ego really appreciates a lot of people coming in, saying "yea matt yea" and then skirting by without providing any actual effort.

MattP · Post Post #171 (isolation #15) » Wed May 13, 2015 3:46 am

In post 124, RadiantCowbells wrote:How about you fuck off and go lose your games somewhere else.

People like you are the kind who lose games then cry after game "oh I knew who the scum were" but don't push their reads at all.

Newsflash: it takes more than one vote to lynch someone.

Reported

MattP · Post Post #175 (isolation #16) » Wed May 13, 2015 3:55 am

I didn't end up reporting it after I thought about it, but seriously just relax, this is a game. I don't like playing games where people are insulting each other and flipping out. Put this into perspective

MattP · Post Post #176 (isolation #17) » Wed May 13, 2015 3:56 am

Anyway, today I'm working from now until 11pm so I'll have more time to post tomorrow and Friday

MattP · Post Post #178 (isolation #18) » Wed May 13, 2015 4:03 am

You're assuming that post is sarcastic versus pisskop just being a mechanical poster (which he is)

I wouldn't interject a line of questioning normally but I think pisskop is acting town and doesn't understand you're reading his post as being sarcastic

MattP · Post Post #179 (isolation #19) » Wed May 13, 2015 4:06 am

Ftr I still think Bulge is scummy

MattP · Post Post #181 (isolation #20) » Wed May 13, 2015 4:10 am

Oh I was wrong!

MattP · Post Post #190 (isolation #21) » Wed May 13, 2015 6:06 am

Pisskop is so cute

MattP · Post Post #252 (isolation #22) » Wed May 13, 2015 2:14 pm

It would be so cute if you were both scum doing this to disengage town

MattP · Post Post #255 (isolation #23) » Wed May 13, 2015 2:16 pm

If you're not then youre just the most anti town players in existence and have concept of how to facilitate productive discussion. If you retort that you're not going to stop until you get what you want then please see the part where I say you have no concept

MattP · Post Post #256 (isolation #24) » Wed May 13, 2015 2:17 pm

Have no concept*

MattP · Post Post #259 (isolation #25) » Wed May 13, 2015 2:19 pm

You're being ego centric

It's three rl days into the game take a chill pill

MattP · Post Post #263 (isolation #26) » Wed May 13, 2015 2:22 pm

You crowding the game with these posts is making people not engage, cut down on your back and forth

MattP · Post Post #272 (isolation #27) » Wed May 13, 2015 2:33 pm

In post 264, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 263, MattP wrote:You crowding the game with these posts is making people not engage, cut down on your back and forth

That's a bs excuse and you know it.

You are disengaging EVERYONE. You're not being helpful. I'm not reading your case because you are hounding. Calm down and I'll actually engage. I don't want to read PAGES of back and forth between mutual scum reads. If rc is already a scum read stop spending g so much time engaging your scum read. You should be engaging others. I didn't know this is such a foreign request

MattP · Post Post #311 (isolation #28) » Thu May 14, 2015 11:11 am

When you take my posts into the context of me only being on my phone the current duration of the game then it makes sense I'm ignoring content. My computer was broken and needed to be taken into apple. I just picked it up from the store.

MattP · Post Post #312 (isolation #29) » Thu May 14, 2015 11:12 am

And my s.o. is in town so I will be engaging more beginning tomorrow, which I think I said earlier in thread

MattP · Post Post #446 (isolation #30) » Sun May 17, 2015 10:07 am

Ok, I am ready to be engaged. I'll post content tonight. Sorry about that, guys.

MattP · Post Post #523 (isolation #31) » Sun May 17, 2015 3:24 pm

Catching up now

MattP · Post Post #535 (isolation #32) » Sun May 17, 2015 3:56 pm

I just finished pg 10. I have OS and Flubber as scumreads, followed softly by EPM (though he hasn't posted enough content as of pg 10). Kinetic and JFSM are strongest townreads followed by RC.

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MattP · Post Post #536 (isolation #33) » Sun May 17, 2015 3:56 pm

So I'm digging RC's votes on this pg

MattP · Post Post #539 (isolation #34) » Sun May 17, 2015 4:12 pm

In post 538, Oversoul wrote:Matt you disappoint me

Pg 14 and you're still in my Bottom Two
[:

MattP · Post Post #543 (isolation #35) » Sun May 17, 2015 4:25 pm

Gonna preemptively VOTE: Flubbernugget

MattP · Post Post #547 (isolation #36) » Sun May 17, 2015 4:46 pm

Town

(most town to least town)

MattP

(but I'm really coy about it)

JFSM

Grimmjow

RC

Kinetic

Elyse

Pisskop

Uncertain after reading them

Lostaway <- Diffuse read, nothing particularly polarizing
EPM <- Some moderately scummy feelings but need to reevaluate as a cohesive entity after I've slept on it

Scum reads

(least scum to most scum)

OS

Flubber

Excluded from reads until tomorrow because I read way too much at once and Bro/Vyse came into the game too far in for me to have a clear mind upon reading them. Bulge I need[ some time to think about.

MattP · Post Post #549 (isolation #37) » Sun May 17, 2015 4:50 pm

I state the answer to that clearly in the post

MattP · Post Post #552 (isolation #38) » Sun May 17, 2015 4:54 pm

Pg 20 whatever and OS has never engaged flubber or mentioned a read of him

MattP · Post Post #556 (isolation #39) » Sun May 17, 2015 5:01 pm

Flubber is a more strategic vote right now.

MattP · Post Post #561 (isolation #40) » Sun May 17, 2015 5:06 pm

Most others have found stuff to mention irt flubber or provided a read. That's such bull

RC, a flubber wagon is more possible rn

MattP · Post Post #563 (isolation #41) » Sun May 17, 2015 5:07 pm

OS's first like 10 pages of cobrent are p much him just trying to look town

MattP · Post Post #566 (isolation #42) » Sun May 17, 2015 5:12 pm

Flubber is hyperdefensive opportunistic and has provided no original content

MattP · Post Post #569 (isolation #43) » Sun May 17, 2015 5:16 pm

Not now

MattP · Post Post #575 (isolation #44) » Sun May 17, 2015 5:30 pm

RC. Tip: don't rely on your scumreads for votes. It looks bad on you (desperate or scummy, have your pick).

You're playing a bad game for someone with a considerable wagon on you. Think more. Flubber is a player you have a scumread on that many other players have called out / are scumreading. He's posted minimal content. You can feasibly get pressure on him. Half of wagon pushing is read-related, half is efficacy-related. You're not being efficient. A lot of your play this game has been very hectic, and that's what's causing your wagon (whether the players voting you are right or just reading you poorly. I think the latter is happening) / lack of influence over the course of the game.

You don't have to take my advice, but there it is!

MattP · Post Post #576 (isolation #45) » Sun May 17, 2015 5:31 pm

I don't INTEND to patronize you. I'm just being blunt because I don't want your play to cause a town mislynch (being YOUR mislynch).

MattP · Post Post #578 (isolation #46) » Sun May 17, 2015 5:33 pm

In post 577, RadiantCowbells wrote:I believe that my getting lynched won't slow this town down at all at this point.

Scum are totally fucked either way at this point.

Really? You really think scum are fucked at this point? And you think a mislynch is inconsequential?

MattP · Post Post #579 (isolation #47) » Sun May 17, 2015 5:36 pm

There's so many layers of absurd in what you just said

MattP · Post Post #592 (isolation #48) » Mon May 18, 2015 6:53 am

In post 589, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: bulge

rc gets townpoints for not hopping on my wagon

"RC has provided a ton of content thru out the game. The momentum of his wagon is starting to die, let me cherry pick one random thing he's said as an excuse to opportunistically jump off rather than stagnating my vote and then place it on a lurker after nitpicking an innocuous post from the lurker"

Flubber isn't analyzing in depth at all and every move he's made has been opportunistic.

In post 425, Flubbernugget wrote:Rc the worst part is that you could make an actual scum case on him right now and aren't

This sucks for a pretty solid reason already pointed out by RC (and btw, if there's a scum case to make on OS why wouldnt flubber make it transparent or pursue it?) Flubber has been avoiding really making stances or pushing anyone at all while always having his vote in the most convenient or least suspicious place.

MattP · Post Post #595 (isolation #49) » Mon May 18, 2015 7:40 am

In post 593, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 347, Flubbernugget wrote:
You took my "I'm so lost" comment out of context. It was in direct response to a miscommunication with jake, not a proclamation of general confusion.

Explain to me how "I'm so lost" != "Oh my god my head hurts. This is fucking ridiculous."

Your read on matt is a load of shit and makes no comment to his push on the bulge

You have a strong need to self-affirm

I already made a scum case on grim but I'm just a vi so ignoing it at one's personal will is pro-town

1st and 2nd line are self defense with a useless question
3rd line is contentless (and over-the-top, I had posted barely at all so you being SO ridiculously on-my-side is bizarre) and lacks depth
4th line is useless
And you never vote him.

MattP · Post Post #596 (isolation #50) » Mon May 18, 2015 7:42 am

In post 594, Flubbernugget wrote:I never had an intention for anyone to push Oversoul. I think they're town

What was you intention with 425 exactly?

MattP · Post Post #598 (isolation #51) » Mon May 18, 2015 8:10 am

In post 597, Flubbernugget wrote:why is it hard to believe I thought rc was scummier than grimm?

If I'm defending myself doesn't that imply there's poor reasoning on behalf of the attacker? which alignment is more likely to have poor reasoning? And what alignment would be more likely to reassure themselves? Probably the alignment that has to make statements that are wrong...

I didn't bring up the grimm post? I never said I was voting you because of the grimm post? You brought it up and said, "look at how this is me doing EXACTLY what you're saying I'm not doing in the game." and I am, in turn, pointing out that it EASILY can be rationalized to fit into my interpretation of your GENERAL play in the game and doesn't sway my read of you.

MattP · Post Post #599 (isolation #52) » Mon May 18, 2015 8:12 am

Like, sure, I can ALSO interpret your Grimm post in YOUR way, but either intepretation holds water so it doesn't make my read of you hold less water /become inconsistent, even if you're trying to make it that way

MattP · Post Post #611 (isolation #53) » Mon May 18, 2015 10:45 am

In post 603, Flubbernugget wrote:Yeah you were voting me over an oversoul post
I never fucking made

by your own admission my posts are open to interpretation. why did you jump to scumread instead of requesting clarification?

You stated to RC that RC could make a scum case on OS but wasnt. I am asking you WHY YOU SAID THAT.

I'm not even going to engage your last paragraph. What did you mean in 425

MattP · Post Post #612 (isolation #54) » Mon May 18, 2015 10:48 am

In post 425, Flubbernugget wrote:Rc the worst part is that you could make an actual scum case on him right now and aren't

Why did you say RC could make a case on OS if you yourself didn't think OS wasnt scum

This is just the worst thing I've ever seen

MattP · Post Post #613 (isolation #55) » Mon May 18, 2015 10:49 am

This is the scummiest thing so far this game

So many people soft scum reading flubber but not voting or pressuring him is psychotic to me

MattP · Post Post #614 (isolation #56) » Mon May 18, 2015 10:52 am

You are saying:
1) you are not scum reading OS
2) you can't rationalize scum intent from OS
3) the worst thing going for RC is that he

can make a scum case on OS

but isn't

Like just lmfao

MattP · Post Post #616 (isolation #57) » Mon May 18, 2015 10:57 am

And then theres oversoul being equally as disengaging of any actual meaningful discussion happening this game

If only I had to dayvig shots
But idk if a 2dayvig + gunsmith town would be too overpowered, what do you think OS, lookin for an expert opinion

MattP · Post Post #617 (isolation #58) » Mon May 18, 2015 10:58 am

Two dayvig shots*

MattP · Post Post #619 (isolation #59) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:00 am

Kinetic, are you fully caught up

MattP · Post Post #622 (isolation #60) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:03 am

Aw man not diggin your reads list

Pedit: I was being snarky OS

MattP · Post Post #625 (isolation #61) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:06 am

You think it's weird I'm going to a flubber lynch despite clearly laying out objectively scummy behavior? It's weird on what, principle? @

MattP · Post Post #627 (isolation #62) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:08 am

regardless of your logic just being ridiculous it is cute that you are pushing an RC lynch while you call out my Flubber vote for being "easy"

MattP · Post Post #629 (isolation #63) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:10 am

What does that even mean? There is an objective glaring inconsistency in Flubber's posts that you don't even seem remotely concerned it

MattP · Post Post #631 (isolation #64) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:11 am

In post 628, pisskop wrote:But RC isn't an easy vote at this stage

He was when OS voted him?

Within the last several pages momentum died but OS before that happened

MattP · Post Post #634 (isolation #65) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:15 am

that was a misremembering on my part, scratch the irony of it all!

Even though you justified an RC scumread at the crux of his wagon but you didn't vote so it's logically inconsistent with the point I made

MattP · Post Post #635 (isolation #66) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:16 am

I still don't like yoooouuuuu

MattP · Post Post #636 (isolation #67) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:23 am

People continue to overlook flubber's inconsistency that is practically a scumslip

MattP · Post Post #639 (isolation #68) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:28 am

Like

How ca

MattP · Post Post #640 (isolation #69) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:30 am

FUCK PHONES

How can you only "may" join me. He LITERALLY did something OBJECTIVELY contradicting, aka not something that is up to interpretation.

MattP · Post Post #642 (isolation #70) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:38 am

Oh yay ilu bro

MattP · Post Post #647 (isolation #71) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:45 am

I don't know why I read it otherwise

Now your grimm mention makes sense

I'm going into a show I'll reeval after with that mindset

MattP · Post Post #648 (isolation #72) » Mon May 18, 2015 11:48 am

That was so frustrating for me

MattP · Post Post #693 (isolation #73) » Tue May 19, 2015 11:44 am

I would actually love to know why YOU think I'm scum OS

MattP · Post Post #730 (isolation #74) » Tue May 19, 2015 1:35 pm

In post 698, Oversoul wrote:
In post 693, MattP wrote:I would actually love to know why YOU think I'm scum OS

Flubber push was bad bad bad. Like I said earlier, I would expect you to not go after a weak player like that and misunderstand an
obvious post.
It looks like you want to scum read Flubber, but don't actually believe it yourself because you know Flubber isn't scum.

Your whole push against Flubber didn't sit right with me.

In post 649, Oversoul wrote:
I would have spoken up earlier but I didn't want to answer for Flubber since I wasn't 100%.

This is why pronouns are bad guys.

How do these two equate?

MattP · Post Post #732 (isolation #75) » Tue May 19, 2015 1:39 pm

That narrative doesn't make any sense.

It looks like OS didn't point out my misunderstanding because he just either wanted me to dig myself into a hole or because Flubber is town and he knows I'm town and he didn't want to get in the way of a TvT conflict

In post 637, Oversoul wrote:

RC is doing nothing with my vote.
I may join you soo Matt

And if it was

such

a bad push on my part, and the post I misunderstood was SO obviously not what I read it as, then why did OS say this ^

MattP · Post Post #735 (isolation #76) » Tue May 19, 2015 1:43 pm

JFSM, I've been calling OS scum too bud

MattP · Post Post #737 (isolation #77) » Tue May 19, 2015 1:49 pm

1) OS lets me tunnel Flubber for PAGES

2) OS says he might join my Flubber wagon

In post 637, Oversoul wrote:I may join you soo Matt

3) Flubber points out my misunderstanding

In post 643, Flubbernugget wrote:I never asked rc to make a case on OS

I asked rc to make a case on grimm.

4) OS says that he wasn't 100% sure whether my interpretation of Flubber's post was a right or wrong interpretation

In post 649, Oversoul wrote:I would have spoken up earlier but I didn't want to answer for Flubber since I wasn't 100%.

This is why pronouns are bad guys.

5) OS starts saying I'm scummy and bashes my Flubber push

In post 698, Oversoul wrote:Flubber push was bad bad bad.

6a) OS says it was

obvious

what Flubber was saying and that's it's scummy I misunderstood

In post 698, Oversoul wrote:I would expect you to not go after a weak player like that and misunderstand an obvious post.

Which contradicts with part 4

6b) And he says the Flubber push was bad

In post 698, Oversoul wrote:Flubber push was bad bad bad.

Which contradicts with him catering to joining the wagon in part 2

MattP · Post Post #738 (isolation #78) » Tue May 19, 2015 1:51 pm

In post 736, Jake from State Farm wrote:sadly though I think you are trying to bus him cause I think you are probably scum also. The fact that you falsely accuse me of being disengaging while actually ignoring game content that was being posted doesn't paint you in a very positive light and it certainly wasn't very pro-town.

I think those two things are glaringly separate and that's a huge logical jump on your part but we can table it for now

MattP · Post Post #740 (isolation #79) » Tue May 19, 2015 1:52 pm

VOTE: Oversoul

MattP · Post Post #741 (isolation #80) » Tue May 19, 2015 1:55 pm

For the record, Jake, I think I played a really shitty opening this game. But that's not consistent with my general play.

MattP · Post Post #742 (isolation #81) » Tue May 19, 2015 1:55 pm

And OS

really did

self-contradict in a scummy way. If people are scumreading him then that's a good place for a wagon.

MattP · Post Post #746 (isolation #82) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:10 pm

In post 745, Oversoul wrote:
In post 737, MattP wrote:Which contradicts with part 4

How is that a contradiction?

In post 737, MattP wrote:Which contradicts with him catering to joining the wagon in part 2

How is wanting to join a wagon a contradiction?

You just phrased both my conclusions in question form

I don't think that detracted from how clear the conclusions are

MattP · Post Post #747 (isolation #83) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:14 pm

"how is wanting to join your Flubber wagon in contradiction with me calling the Flubber wagon bad?"

"how is me saying I wasn't 100% positive about pronoun usage in Flubber's post in contradiction with me saying that Flubber's post was obvious to understand?"

MattP · Post Post #749 (isolation #84) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:24 pm

In post 748, Oversoul wrote:
In post 747, MattP wrote:"how is wanting to join your Flubber wagon in contradiction with me calling the Flubber wagon bad?"

"how is me saying I wasn't 100% positive about pronoun usage in Flubber's post in contradiction with me saying that Flubber's post was obvious to understand?"

1. Wagons are good. I only hesitated once I saw the apparent pronoun issue and felt you were being over aggressive
2. I didn't realize 100% certainty was the threshold for everything that we have to do

1) You said the wagon was "easy" and you didn't like my push / didn't like me

prior

to the pronoun issue. That directly contradicts with you being onboard with the wagon and being willing to jump onto it.
2) You certainly hit some "threshold", or so you say, where you were

uncertain enough

not to point out I had a misunderstanding. That directly contradicts with you thinking it was

so

obvious that it makes me scummy that I had the misunderstanding

MattP · Post Post #753 (isolation #85) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:31 pm

Actually, I'm glad I just looked back:

In post 623, Oversoul wrote:I mean sure. Flubber is lurking/coasting/not giving any content. Would I cry at his lynch? No. Would I support it if I had to? Sure.
I find it odd that Flubber is the first player you go after. I would think you would go after someone who is tougher to lynch (although Flubber seems to be difficult to corral interest around).

Depending on town power, this might be 10:4, but I think 10:3

You began saying that you wouldn't cry over a Flubber lynch and would support it if you had to, and that your qualm is that it's just an easy lynch

In post 637, Oversoul wrote:

RC is doing nothing with my vote.
I may join you soo Matt

Then you say that your vote on RC is doing nothing so you cater to joining on the easy lynch (which is hilarious, because basically that means RC wagon was haaaarrrd so you'll switch to the wagon you called easy, so you're a hypocrite at best)

In post 698, Oversoul wrote:
In post 693, MattP wrote:I would actually love to know why YOU think I'm scum OS

Flubber push was bad bad bad. Like I said earlier, I would expect you to not go after a weak player like that and misunderstand an obvious post. It looks like you want to scum read Flubber, but don't actually believe it yourself because you know Flubber isn't scum.

Your whole push against Flubber didn't sit right with me.

Then you say my push was bad? So what did you see in my push that made you cater to a Flubber vote in the first place?

MattP · Post Post #762 (isolation #86) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:37 pm

In post 752, Oversoul wrote:
In post 749, MattP wrote:1) You said the wagon was "easy" and you didn't like my push / didn't like me prior to the pronoun issue. That directly contradicts with you being onboard with the wagon and being willing to jump onto it.
2) You certainly hit some "threshold", or so you say, where you were uncertain enough not to point out I had a misunderstanding. That directly contradicts with you thinking it was so obvious that it makes me scummy that I had the misunderstanding

1. Fair I probably shouldn't have categorized it like that.
2. I mean I thought it was obvious that there was some miscommunication occurring surrounding that post, but I wanted you two to figure it out for yourselves. You went after Flubber so aggressively that it seemed odd that you missed the post he was referring to, almost like you just chose to isolate him and then try to make a case on what you saw.

1. I don't get what that even means. Ok? So what should you have categorized it as?
2. Again again again, this doesn't make the contradiction go away. You said, QUOTE

In post 649, Oversoul wrote:I would have spoken up earlier
but
I didn't want to answer
for Flubber
since I wasn't 100%.

You didn't say, "I didn't want to answer for Flubber because I didn't want to get in the way"

Now you're just changing your story

MattP · Post Post #765 (isolation #87) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:38 pm

In post 763, RadiantCowbells wrote:Can we fucking not?

Why are you white knighting OS? Let him be a big boy and talk himself out of his hole. Like, why are you cutting of a very important discussion?

My town read of you is gone, congrats

MattP · Post Post #767 (isolation #88) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:39 pm

"Everybody in my scumpool has expressed interest in lynching OS

Therefore, can we all please look the other way and not press him about his contradictions?"

MattP · Post Post #769 (isolation #89) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:41 pm

In post 766, RadiantCowbells wrote:Then fucking lynch me and get me out of this trashcan game jesus.

I'm doing what I think is the best use of my time. If the best use of my time is to ever push for your lynch, I will. Right now I'm talking with OS.

MattP · Post Post #771 (isolation #90) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:41 pm

In post 770, RadiantCowbells wrote:Jake you really don't deserve this win at all.

town this game is literally so retarded I feel like I'm playing town of salem.

Don't use the r-word in that manner. Thank you!

MattP · Post Post #781 (isolation #91) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:50 pm

In post 772, Oversoul wrote:

In post 753, MattP wrote:Then you say that your vote on RC is doing nothing so you cater to joining on the easy lynch (which is hilarious, because basically that means RC wagon was haaaarrrd so you'll switch to the wagon you called easy, so you're a hypocrite at best)

RC wagon? I am confused. I was talking about the wagon that RC was trying to start on EPM.

Regardless of what your pronoun was directed at (we can all see I suck with pronouns), it doesn't change the point that you were suddenly willing to switch to the "easy" wagon from whatever wagon you were on because that wagon was "doing nothing" (aka a hard wagon)

In post 772, Oversoul wrote:

In post 753, MattP wrote:Then you say my push was bad? So what did you see in my push that made you cater to a Flubber vote in the first place?

The fact that MattP was pushing it and I consider you a really good player? And that Flubber doesn't really look like he will contribute to the game but discussion for another time I guess, lol.
Maybe I'm just holding you to higher standards back when we actively played. pastMatt I don't think would make this type of case/push Flubber like this. After I had seen things start to develop the wagon just felt bad on a visceral level and I determined it had to do with you pushing it for not the best reasons.

You still haven't answered what you saw in the Flubber wagon that made you cater to it at that moment.

And I already said my opening this game sucked. I had a big sloppy misunderstanding with a pronoun, but my logic based on that misunderstanding was completely sound, so I don't get why you keep harping on saying that you're "disappointed" with my play or "expected more from me". But this is also just AtE and is completely irrelevant to what I'm getting at

MattP · Post Post #786 (isolation #92) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:57 pm

Yeah, Elyse literally just posted a vote with no content attached to it to read into. I don't get how you read it being so terrible.- or you just dislike her having you as a scumread? But so many people are scumreading you rn

MattP · Post Post #787 (isolation #93) » Tue May 19, 2015 2:58 pm

Like, I'm curious to know what about her vote read as terrible to you

MattP · Post Post #807 (isolation #94) » Tue May 19, 2015 3:58 pm

unless you legit believe in principle it's scummy for someone to change from slight town read -> scum read over 400 posts that's a ridiculous reason to assume her read change is inherently scummy. Why didn't you try asking her where her read changed. There was plenty of oversoul-related content between those 400 posts for her to have a read change

MattP · Post Post #808 (isolation #95) » Tue May 19, 2015 3:58 pm

Jake cut me off

Diggin Jake this game

MattP · Post Post #812 (isolation #96) » Tue May 19, 2015 4:05 pm

In post 796, Oversoul wrote:1. Read thread
2. MattP posted
2.2 Get excited
2.3 MattP advocating lynch on Flubber
3. Look over Flubber iso
4. See nothing really there
5. MattP is good player
so his push is probably good

This directly contradicts with everything you've said prior. How it actually happened was you said:

1. MattP is a good player pushing an easy lynch
2. Matt is scummy for it, doubting Matt's towniness because of his easy push

MattP · Post Post #814 (isolation #97) » Tue May 19, 2015 4:14 pm

In post 762, MattP wrote:
In post 752, Oversoul wrote:
In post 749, MattP wrote:1) You said the wagon was "easy" and you didn't like my push / didn't like me prior to the pronoun issue. That directly contradicts with you being onboard with the wagon and being willing to jump onto it.
2) You certainly hit some "threshold", or so you say, where you were uncertain enough not to point out I had a misunderstanding. That directly contradicts with you thinking it was so obvious that it makes me scummy that I had the misunderstanding

1. Fair I probably shouldn't have categorized it like that.
2. I mean I thought it was obvious that there was some miscommunication occurring surrounding that post, but I wanted you two to figure it out for yourselves. You went after Flubber so aggressively that it seemed odd that you missed the post he was referring to, almost like you just chose to isolate him and then try to make a case on what you saw.

1. I don't get what that even means. Ok? So what should you have categorized it as?
2. Again again again, this doesn't make the contradiction go away. You said, QUOTE

In post 649, Oversoul wrote:I would have spoken up earlier
but
I didn't want to answer
for Flubber
since I wasn't 100%.

You didn't say, "I didn't want to answer for Flubber because I didn't want to get in the way"

Now you're just changing your story

OS never responded to this post, because

there's no way out of it

MattP · Post Post #815 (isolation #98) » Tue May 19, 2015 4:15 pm

If jake and I were a scumteam this would be the most evil maneuver ever

But we aren't

But still, just ~~*imagine the beauty of it*~~

MattP · Post Post #820 (isolation #99) » Tue May 19, 2015 4:47 pm

In post 819, Oversoul wrote:I didn't start thinking it was a bad push until later. How many times do I have to say this?

My initial thought was this wagon might be good! Then after watching it gone it turned into me feeling bad about that wagon.

You said it was a bad push

before

you said you would vote Flubber

So, no, it doesn't work out

MattP · Post Post #822 (isolation #100) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:07 pm

In post 623, Oversoul wrote:I mean sure. Flubber is lurking/coasting/not giving any content. Would I cry at his lynch? No. Would I support it if I had to? Sure.
I find it odd that Flubber is the first player you go after. I would think you would go after someone who is tougher to lynch (although Flubber seems to be difficult to corral interest around).

Depending on town power, this might be 10:4, but I think 10:3

In post 637, Oversoul wrote:

RC is doing nothing with my vote.
I may join you soo Matt

MattP · Post Post #824 (isolation #101) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:13 pm

I think it's zany that this is so humiliating scummy and there's not a big wagon on OS

Probably because he's scuuum

Associative tell this shit up tomorrow

MattP · Post Post #829 (isolation #102) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:24 pm

In post 827, evilpacman18 wrote:my Oversoul read just turned around a little bit... Especially with Elyse going more town along with this.

This doesn't make sense to me

What does this mean

MattP · Post Post #831 (isolation #103) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:26 pm

I just love associative tells based on all unflipped players

MattP · Post Post #833 (isolation #104) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:45 pm

In post 832, RadiantCowbells wrote:But I'm telling you, Oversoul is town. And I knew the moment he got into that weird shpiel about the gunsmith thing that scum was going to use him as a free wagon.

This has nothing to do with why I'm voting him

MattP · Post Post #837 (isolation #105) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:47 pm

Also, seriously as a side note since you've calmed down RC, please in the future when you're frustrated with the game don't cuss at people and ask for your lynch. It's against the spirit of the game and makes it not fun. It's a game, we should be enjoying it. I've gotten frustrated several times in this game too, but I've not let it show. I want to have a good time, I'm sure you do too.

MattP · Post Post #838 (isolation #106) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:48 pm

^ This is regardless of either of our alignment. I'm talking about spirit of the game in general.

MattP · Post Post #840 (isolation #107) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:51 pm

In post 839, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yeah that's all well and good, then we get to endgame and oh look Jake and EPM were scum, just like RC said D1.

Then I'll get into another game with you all and it'll be "oh hey RC was a good scumhunter last game."

Then it's "Hey I'm pretty sure X guy is scum because of Y Z."

And still I'll get nothing done with it.

This has nothing to do with that. This has to do with us all being here because we want to have a good time. Please keep it friendly to some degree.

MattP · Post Post #841 (isolation #108) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:51 pm

Again, this is regardless of alignment. Scum, town, whatever. We're all peeps trying to have a good time.

MattP · Post Post #843 (isolation #109) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:53 pm

*le sigh*

MattP · Post Post #845 (isolation #110) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:56 pm

In post 844, RadiantCowbells wrote:I got your message loud and clear.

But I'm still reading it for your alignment.

Do what you do bud

MattP · Post Post #853 (isolation #111) » Tue May 19, 2015 7:03 pm

In post 849, Oversoul wrote:That's where I am putting Matt too after his
little
exchange with me

That was probably the biggest back-and-forth I've ever had with a scum read in my history on this site

(I still think you're scum but I still love u and can laugh about how vicious/relentless this whole exchange was, props for not having a breakdown or cursing me out)

MattP · Post Post #854 (isolation #112) » Tue May 19, 2015 7:06 pm

(also sorry for joining the game at your request and then scumreading the heck out of you <3 )

MattP · Post Post #874 (isolation #113) » Wed May 20, 2015 7:21 am

Yeah also saying you don't like the OS push without acknowledging specific aspects of the push you don't like is not helping anyone

MattP · Post Post #876 (isolation #114) » Wed May 20, 2015 7:24 am

In post 875, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 873, Jake from State Farm wrote:Hey scum is having great success circlejerking wagons.

Please don't disrupt that with your accurate reads.

His accurate reads is like 8/14 players listed as null?

MattP · Post Post #880 (isolation #115) » Wed May 20, 2015 7:34 am

So you're an old straight white man, huh

MattP · Post Post #884 (isolation #116) » Wed May 20, 2015 8:24 am

I won't be moving from OS to RC

MattP · Post Post #886 (isolation #117) » Wed May 20, 2015 8:30 am

In post 885, Jake from State Farm wrote:and I won't be moving from RC to anyone else

*thumbs up*

MattP · Wed May 20, 2015 10:03 am

The only thing RC has done that reads as scummy to me is when he was telling us not to pressure OS, which is just weird unless scum-RC has insider knowledge of town-OS's role

RC's play has been erratic in general. I've never seen his play elsewhere though.

MattP · Wed May 20, 2015 10:03 am

of town-OS's alignment* not role

MattP · Post Post #898 (isolation #120) » Wed May 20, 2015 2:22 pm

I've never been in a game where such a large majority is so full of themselves

MattP · Post Post #925 (isolation #121) » Wed May 20, 2015 4:58 pm

Why is it so hard for people to follow site rules

Like the fact it even happened earlier this game is bad

MattP · Thu May 21, 2015 12:24 am

In post 943, Oversoul wrote:Radiant, your role is negative utility?
Hmm

us not lynching OS is psychotic

Like look at posts like this

MattP · Post Post #961 (isolation #123) » Thu May 21, 2015 4:33 am

MattP · Post Post #966 (isolation #124) » Thu May 21, 2015 6:10 am

I'm not voting RC but I AM never joining a game he's in again and will make sure mods know about his behavior in this game.

MattP · Fri May 22, 2015 11:39 am

In post 971, Flubbernugget wrote:Also I think if nobody said anything about Kinetic being a really good player he'd be under a lot more pressure rn

He hasn't been playing well so far this game. I've only been impressed by a single one of his posts much earlier on.

MattP · Post Post #973 (isolation #126) » Fri May 22, 2015 4:19 pm

@Bob

Can the deadline be stalled until 2 replacements are found? Those two spots are kind of integral to discussion

MattP · Post Post #979 (isolation #127) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:46 am

I wouldn't vote Kinetic

Lets please lynch Oversoul

MattP · Post Post #980 (isolation #128) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:27 am

Like, seriously, I'm only going to vote OS today. He's played an unbelievably sloppy game and has an overwhelming amount of associations with other players. His play has been scummy, he can't even get out of his contradictions so he finally resorted to just saying he's been playing badly. And that wasn't his defense he first resorted to. He was completely, absolutely cornered by Jake and me. I'm very frustrated by how little effort most people are putting into the game. Just vote OS, I put the work in and I want my flip

MattP · Post Post #981 (isolation #129) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:32 am

22 posts or less:
Elyse
Kinetic
evilpacman18
VysePresident
Lostaway
The Bulge
Grimmjow

That's half the game. We're on page40. 2 of the most vocal players were just replaced. The game is going to really start suffering if you don't pick up pace. We're nearly at deadline. How are we supposed to get a lynch together if noone is posting?

MattP · Post Post #984 (isolation #130) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:39 am

In post 982, Elyse wrote:Feeling deflated about this game because of the whole Jake/Oversoul debacle...

Still want to lynch the Oversoul slot.

Who cares? They're both replaced. Start doing something.

MattP · Post Post #985 (isolation #131) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:40 am

In post 983, Kinetic wrote:I never have high day 1 post counts unless I've already broken the setup. That won't happen in a normal.

So many people are lurking this game that you need to start picking up some of the weight.

MattP · Post Post #987 (isolation #132) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:03 am

This close to deadline with no clear wagon we need more posting

MattP · Sat May 23, 2015 6:48 pm

In post 1000, Lostaway wrote:
In post 999, RadiantCowbells wrote:

Mafia are not going to NK me
with this much pressure on me, town isn't going to listen to me.

How very convenient. And telling.

Seriously, you think that's convenient and telling?

Bulge, read what jake and I have posted about OS

MattP · Mon May 25, 2015 6:02 am

In post 1028, Ankamius wrote:Hi Grimm. It's been a wile, hasn't it?

Just to catch you up Amkamius, you just got a town role PM, Im town too and am the only player pushing a logical scum read, and everyone one else is grappling with the effects of chronic acid consumption.

Gl

MattP · Mon May 25, 2015 6:13 am

(I meant that with love, no offense to acid users ♡)

MattP · Mon May 25, 2015 10:28 am

In post 1033, Ankamius wrote:Cool stuff.
Can you sum up why your push is correct
and the rest is wrong?

Why does noone just try ISOing instead of asking this sort of question

MattP · Mon May 25, 2015 11:44 am

I'm so confident you'll be able to read me from my exchange with OS that I'll just wait for you to be on your actual comp <3

MattP · Mon May 25, 2015 12:55 pm

In post 1041, Ankamius wrote:You never actually answered my other question, though, namely why the other pushes were bad.

There's only one significant wagon right now, which is RC. I think, for the most part, he's been wildly erratic and antitown, but town-aligned, which I've said. I already said that and that I will not be voting him (or play another game with him on-site for that matter, but whatever). If you want my

extended

version of my reason, I think he lacks humility and focus and that's lending to a poor town game from him (regardless of the accuracy of his reads, which can be amazing but if you play an unlikable and overconfident game that turns people off, then it doesn't matter, you've played a bad game, sorry). I'm not going to vote him and play against my wincon just because he's making the game less enjoyable and trying to over-dominate the thread with self-centered histrionics. I'm just very annoyed by this point.

The ONLY thing he's done that's really stood out as scummy to me is thing from RC (Ankamius, just click on one of the posts and read the surrounding material to get a full picture of how it happened):

In post 754, RadiantCowbells wrote:Can we please, please not do Oversoul today?

In post 757, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think scum sees Oversoul as a perfect mislynch opportunity.

In post 760, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oversoul is doing stuff that justifies scum wagoning him but I don't think he's scum.

In post 761, RadiantCowbells wrote:Everyone in my scumpool has expressed interest in lynching Oversoul.

That's good enough for me. I'm not doing it.

In post 763, RadiantCowbells wrote:Can we fucking not?

It was incredibly over-the-top and bizarre. I don't get why RC was SO pissed off considering we were just

pressuring

OS. It's not like he was at L-1. He had a single vote on him (mine), if I remember correctly. RC was shutting down us even discussing/pressuring OS. I don't get how RC could be SO pissed off about the discussion when shortly prior RC was, himself, voting OS. His only reason he stated for being anti-OS wagon was that his scumreads thought OS was scummy (not that they were even

voting

OS, just that they thought he was scummy). I think this attempted shutdown of discussion of OS was very scummy. The only way I can rationalize it is that RC is so melodramatic/overconfident that he really thinks that was normal-appropriate behavior. And that actually matches his melodramatic/overconfident behavior

all

game.

MattP · Mon May 25, 2015 12:58 pm

It was incredibly over-the-top and bizarre. I don't get why RC was SO pissed off considering we were just pressuring OS. It's not like OS was at L-1. OS had a single vote on him (mine), if I remember correctly. RC was shutting down us even discussing/pressuring OS. I don't get how RC could be SO pissed off about the discussion when shortly prior RC was, himself, voting OS. RC's only reason he stated for being anti-OS wagon was that RC's scumreads thought OS was scummy (not that they were even voting OS, just that they thought OS was scummy). I think this attempted shutdown of discussion from RC regarding OS was very scummy. The only way I can rationalize it is that RC is so melodramatic/overconfident that he really thinks that that was normal-appropriate behavior. And that actually matches his melodramatic/overconfident behavior all game.

^edited it a little to make it easier to follow

MattP · Mon May 25, 2015 12:59 pm

And writing that out, I feel moderately more OK about an RC lynch.

MattP · Mon May 25, 2015 1:24 pm

I still prefer an Oversoul lynch.

MattP · Mon May 25, 2015 1:33 pm

In post 1049, Ankamius wrote:Mattp is it connected to your scumread on OS at all or is it a separate thing entirely? I can kinda see scum doing this sort of thing to town (I've super WKed town wagons all the time), but the fact that it's more preemptive than anything is making me really iffy on that.

I'll have to read more context than just that page to see what the overall game state was, but I think it's more likely town if it suddenly started being a spotlight over everything else in that particular moment than anything else. This might be because I get a sense that RC is kind of like me in that he keeps tabs on what's going on and cross-references them to past stuff later on (I've made this type of mistake before, you've seen it. I outright claimed when I noticed a lot of suspicion being put my way out of nowhere even though the lynch was almost guaranteed to be someone else), so I'm not overly convinced by it.

I'm not 100% following what you're saying here.

Regardless, my OS scumread has nothing to do with my read on RC. OS is scum for the reasons I'm stated in my ISO. Like 1/3rd of my ISO is probably directed at OS

MattP · Tue May 26, 2015 5:12 am

In post 1052, Ankamius wrote:What's confusing about it?

I don't understand the syntax of your paragraph, maybe I'm just being dense af

In post 1053, Kinetic wrote:Matt, vote for Lost with us. He's scum.

Joined : July 09, 2007
Location: Florida
Pronoun: He
Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Tue May 26, 2015 8:35 am

Matt, vote for Lost with us. He's scum.

Updated Reads:

Town Reads (in no order):
Vyse
Bro

True Neutral

Oversoul
(empty slot)
Matt

1. No
2. Even if I were to have considered your push, I'd be too busy laughing at your stagnant reads list over 40+ pages and the fact that you have two of the most prolific and pressured/pressuring players in the game as "True Neutral" reads while Vyse and Bro, who have barely posted at all, are Town-Reads-In-No-Particular-Order

MattP · Tue May 26, 2015 6:12 am

In post 1056, Kinetic wrote:Activity does not affect role.

So our roles are Neutral Survivors

MattP · Wed May 27, 2015 5:00 am

I think Lost is a shitty lynch

MattP · Wed May 27, 2015 5:05 am

In post 1065, Ankamius wrote:Bolded is added. Hope that clears it up a bit.

I'm still unsure what your logic is for why it seems town for RC to WK OS

I maybe just don't understand the logic

MattP · Wed May 27, 2015 6:42 am

Since Ank has entered he's given me a mild-moderate scum vibe but I felt strongly that jake was town so I've been trying to engage Ank to get more of a feel. I do think hes sucking up to me and I don't get his logic.

Otherwise, kinetic, Im unsure if you're implying os and jake might be a team

MattP · Wed May 27, 2015 8:36 am

I feel so secure with an OS scumread, more so than my usual scum reads on players, that I feel like it's bad play to go elsewhere at this time

MattP · Wed May 27, 2015 10:13 am

In post 1105, Ankamius wrote:OK. How have my posts been scum?

Better yet, will someone actually tell me why lost is being wagoned?

Those seem like two very tangential requests

@Kinetic: There's yet to even be an OS replacement and the deadline is paused, so I don't have much incentive to move my vote at this pt considering OS is my strongest scumread

MattP · Wed May 27, 2015 10:16 am

Also @Ank, I still don't understand your RC WK logic

MattP · Wed May 27, 2015 3:06 pm

In post 1112, Ankamius wrote:1099 finally gives me a solid read on mattp.

I'm studying rn so I can't engage, but what's that read exactly?

MattP · Wed May 27, 2015 4:16 pm

In post 1117, RadiantCowbells wrote:Of all the stuff to respond to you chose that?

Sassy

MattP · Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:58 pm

In post 1229, evilpacman18 wrote:hmmmm. Lostaway did spend a lot of time defending Bulge from MattP and Elyse before declaring him null in her final reads list. Doesn't look great. I kinda ignored Lostaway for the most part, I'll have to check out her iso in greater detail.
Flubbernugget, do you still think RC is scum? It's less likely if Bulge is also scum.

It's ok, you don't look great either.

I will be be available beginning June 5

MattP · Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:10 am

pisskop reads town to me, more so than most of my townreads.

MattP · Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:59 pm

In post 1334, evilpacman18 wrote:Anyway, I read Lostaway's iso but there's not much to go on as far as associative tells, unfortunately. She seemed to be trying really hard to buddy MattP but it looks to me like she just picked a town player to latch on to

How exactly does it look like that to you

MattP · Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:29 pm

In post 1341, evilpacman18 wrote:What do you mean? She was scum and I don't think you are and she buddied you like hell, put you as most town in her list, and consistently use your reads as a reference point.

Ok, and my question then is why am I not scum to you now when prior you've had me as a leaning scum read?

MattP · Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:34 pm

In post 1344, evilpacman18 wrote:I don't think she or anyone would blatantly suck up to a scumbuddy like that, not to mention with her flipping scum when I wasn't expecting it narrowed my pool.

Earlier you said it made me look bad that she was blatantly sucking up to me. This is why I'm confused that you're now saying she def wouldn't buddy a scumbuddy like that

MattP · Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:53 am

In post 1346, evilpacman18 wrote:Quote me?

I can't find it on iso, it was another player I guess

MattP · Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:53 am

Wut about boonskies

MattP · Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:54 am

Can't wait for you to have more posts than anyone else by within 2 rl days from now titus

MattP · Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:48 am

In post 1369, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm not voting MattP btw.

I didn't even know that was ever on the table for you

MattP · Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:49 am

In post 1371, Bicephalous Bob wrote:Fixed the votecount.

Oooooh

Yeah k I get it now @RC

MattP · Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:32 am

Oh yea flubber is town imo

MattP · Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:29 pm

VOTE: Boonskies

I'm not respectfully waiting anymore. You've done nothing since OS was fore replaced, which was like 2 wks ago

MattP · Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:24 am

Games like things transcend from being annoying to being lolzy

MattP · Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:24 am

Games like this*

MattP · Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:52 pm

In post 1429, Elyse wrote:What I don't like about Matt is that he called the Lost lynch shitty without ever really calling Lost town or scum. It seemed like he was trying to dismantle the wagon but also not totally defending Lost in case it went through.

I thought Lost was town

MattP · Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:56 pm

In post 1443, Grimmjow wrote:Because someone needs to prove to you that I'm town? Thaaaaaaat's not how this works.

MattP · Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:56 pm

Also HI GRIMM

MattP · Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:59 am

Vote parked again on boon/os slot

Not subject to change until he does something

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:26 am

Pisskop killed Grimm last night obviously and definitely copped N1 gonna go explore!

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:03 am

In post 1233, pisskop wrote:RC may yet be town. What happened to Ank?

Weird tangential Ank reference at start of day

In post 1238, pisskop wrote:
In post 1235, Ankamius wrote:VOTE: pisskop

There is so much OMGUS to this I don't even know how to read it.

In post 1274, pisskop wrote:
In post 1273, Ankamius wrote:what exactly makes you different from everyone else who has been suspecting me

Well besides me not suspecting you? Im sure quite a bit.

In post 1275, pisskop wrote:I think you are town Ank.

Ank was probably his cop

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:03 am

Which would mean Jake was town which was obv anyway *SHRUG*

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:49 am

You know, if boon is scum then technically I've never been wrong

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:57 am

I actually am

And I'm crushed I don't fit snugly into your egocentric world

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:59 am

I mean ya I've been pretty disconnected from this game but at least I'm managing pretty well to not be abrasive

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:14 am

In post 1540, Titus wrote:You're likely holding inconsistent views. If Bro is town, then MattP can only be town or godfather.

Very confused about why you think this

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:26 am

I think Titus is town [:

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:47 am

Im stunned by how little flack Boon gets for his play

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:53 am

In post 1152, Lostaway wrote:
In post 1151, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1150, Lostaway wrote:Any idea on when Oversoul's slot will be filled? I'd really like to hear from whoever takes it over.

About what exactly?

About Matt's dissection of Oversoul himself.

I'm curious, because until Oversoul got into it with Matt, he seemed pretty town to me. Early on he makes some good points on PK, queries Bro about implying there's a Vig in the game, engages with RC and Jake, and gets into a lengthy analysis of why Jake is wrong about PK not engaging in scumhunting... I mean, OS was fairly active kind of going after people.

He seemed mostly town as far as I was concerned until Matt started pointing out inconsistencies regarding his take on the Flubber push. It's a very good argument, I think, but I want to see the new player's take on the slot and that argument before I start leaning one way or another myself. Right now I'm ambivalent.

Like seriously

In post 1166, Lostaway wrote:
In post 1156, Kinetic wrote:Thanks Bob. Note I'll have some limited access over the weekend, but should be able to post from my phone.

Welcome new blood.

Matt, Bro, Elyse, Lost, PK, would you comment on your likelihood to support an Ank wagon?

Ank: in response to why I think you're scum. I have felt strongly that Jake looked scummy. I do not believe your posts since replacing have changed that read, and if anything, has supported that read. I do not believe you're town, and while I do not have direct posts to point out to show why, I believe I've given several reasons throughout my history that yore welcome to dispute. In particular, your sheeping and buddying up toward Matt is very damning in my eyes. The other points are Jakes play, and I understand it's difficult to defend and answer for the play of another player when you can't read his mind or know why he made the choices he did, but they still reflect on the alignment of the slot.

Sorry, I'm not so likely to support an Ank wagon, primarily because I'm loathe to let RC slip through our fingers. But then I'm reading RC as the scummiest of scum (and anti-town to boot) while you've pegged him as somewhat townish, so this should hardly be surprising. I have a hard time believing that initial and dreadful fight between RC and the Jake/Ank slot was a scum/scum ploy.

In post 1014, Lostaway wrote:
RC:
Blatantly inconsistent and manipulative. My scummiest read.

RC is probtown

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:53 am

In post 1551, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1548, Titus wrote:VOTE: Bro

Too long.

I was playing league.

I crumbed my inno on Elyse N1 pretty hard, though.

That would mean in a 14p game there is a 1-shot cop JoaT (pisskop), you're a gunsmith, and you think theres a third gunsmith

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:01 pm

In post 368, evilpacman18 wrote:The Bulge wagon makes no fucking sense, why is nobody seeing that?

In post 708, evilpacman18 wrote:Can we get a show of hands of anyone who actually thinks RC vs Jake is town v town? I feel like most of us don't which means we lynch scum either today or tomorrow, meanwhile Bulge will either turn up or replace out, either way his slot will most likely fix itself you all can decide about him when there's something to actually base a decision on.

This is a weird associative situation between RC/Jake/Bulge

Pedit: @Bro, pisskop was a COP, not a gunsmith That setup doesnt make sense with a cop also in the setup.

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:05 pm

EPM posted 708 when bulge wagon was 3 and growing and RC wagon was 4

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:07 pm

VOTE: TheBulge

I just reviewed Lost's iso as well. Lost never develops any position on Bulge the entirety of the game and calls him null, as Lost had done with EPM

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:09 pm

THE SCANDAL. THE SCANDAL.

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:23 pm

It's likely there is a GS-immune scum role, and the two that have flipped so far are not GS immune. It's only a 14p setup soo likely 3 scum, which means GS results at this point probably don't serve much purpose

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:30 pm

In post 1582, BROseidon wrote:Nope! It's why the PM specifies that there are no mafia docs!

Then its kind of ridiculous we have a gunsmith and a 1-shot cop in a 14p setup

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:31 pm

So far mafia's roles aren't that impressive

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:33 pm

In post 1586, BROseidon wrote:Matt, given the setup, the mafia basically have a vanilla cop and backup vanilla cop (they miss the neighborizer but it seems like everything else is fair play)

We also probably have a JK instead of a doctor.

We do, pisskop was a 1-shot JK

And yeah sure I forgot that utility re: gunsmith, actually thats a p cool way to use a GS as a modifier *2thumbsup*

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:37 pm

Idk why mod would put a disclaimer regarding mafia doc and then go ahead an put in another GS-immune role for mafia? Thats soft-core bastard

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:37 pm

That would be misleading imo

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:39 pm

Actually Im pretty sure it's against normal rules to include modifiers like that in role PMs. Like I don't think you are allowed to say a role is definitely not in the game in a normal role pm

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:43 pm

In post 1594, Titus wrote:So you're saying the sample PM is fake???

*DRAMATIC MUSIC*

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:46 pm

I didnt read the OP and Im not a gunsmith *SHRUG*

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:52 pm

I disagree

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:59 pm

N1 mafia got a gunsmith result, N2 they didn't. BRO claimed two no gun results on vonplare and elyse. If he were scum he would have had to guess gun result on at least one of them (unless one is scum with him, which I doubt?) so the risk isnt worth it, BRO is town

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:00 pm

Town:
BRO
RC
Ankamius/Jake

No gun:
vonflare
Elyse

Leaves:
Flubbernugget
Titus
Boonskiies

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:10 pm

In post 1602, Titus wrote:Role cop, desperate measures, etc.

They dont have a rolecop, gunsmitch, and evendaybackup gunsmitch

Desperate measures sure maybe, but I think if that backfired that would be a terribly idiotic move and I dont think they would have considered my rationalization prior to them making that decision, and if my rationalization isnt taken into account it removes all perceived benefit of the move in the first place. BRO could have just claimed "odd night town gunsmith" or something to avoid having to make a guess.

Again, I think Boonskies has played terribly, but noone seems to care or notice him

MattP · Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:31 pm

In post 1610, RadiantCowbells wrote:I have no words for the way Broseidon played if he's gunsmith, which I fully believe right now.

^5 Bro!