NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

[Titus]

I'm a little drunk, hence why I replaced into a large normal when I like themes. Why should I ingore you when 834 suggests that's what you want? Only scum want to be ignored IMHDO.

[Titus]

Back up. What's this about invisible votes? #toolazytoread I need that for VCA

[Titus]

I'm a little drunk, hence why I replaced into a large normal when I like themes. Why should I ingore you when 834 suggests that's what you want? Only scum want to be ignored IMHDO.

Who was this directed at?

Bulba who posted 834.

[Titus]

What;s the case on the two major wagons?

[Titus]

You've been voting BBT since the start of the game and said you'd vote him every game. I hate players who do this to me. So why should I think BBT's scum as opposed to you having a hard on tunnel?

[Titus]

Mod: There's an extra vote in 466, that's not in the prior vote count. Was this mysterious vote placed in its chronology?

Is there a strong reason why Brain was lynched over dragonspawn?

[Titus]

Garmr, if there was no reason, why did that wagon take off at all? Second, who do you think was tricked on to voting town that day?

[Titus]

The extra kill only intensifies this.

Almost forgot this. Only one extra kill huh, FA?

We're in multi-ball ladies and gentleman. FA was clearly expecting two kills; not three.

VOTE: FA

Is this the slip BBT?

[Titus]

I also don't like aeronauts react to BBT claim he is way to accepting.

Well nobody else is coming out and saying "um I killed KLing, BBT is a lying asshole"

Although yea it's possible he's just scum claiming that. So. Eh.

Idk I'll decide who I believe when I'm on a computer

A vig is a moronic role to CC. The vig just shoots the fake.

[Titus]

I want BBT's explanation of how that's a slip in more detail before I vote.

[Titus]

@BBT, Why couldn't that be a townie expecting just two scum factions? I want you to explain the logical progressions.

[Titus]

Too many chefs. That is all.

[Titus]

You guys were seriously going to lynch me over a fake second hand cop claim?

Yeah no way the scum aren't pushing me today.

This is precisely the problem I keep having. dragonspawn's posts keep seeming like scum to me, but the way that wagons have developed keeps making me second guess it. I still prefer BBT.

Why? If he's not a vig, the real one would likely shoot him. If he's real, he's a huge priority for scum to shoot.

[Titus]

Dragonspawn - (7) Radiant Cowbells, duppin, garmr,

BlueBloodedToffee

, davesaz, Bulbazoor, Aeronaut
Dragonspawn - (7)

Sword master,

Garmr,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Aeronaut,

Prolapsed Brain

, Annadog40, Shazam
Prolapsed Brain - (11)

BlueBloodedToffee,

duppin, davesaz, Dom, TheCow, Keyser Söze,

Dragonspawn

, <Vote>, FA_Q2, Bulbazoor, Klingoncelt

Going under the assumption that Dragonspawn is town for now, and BBT is a real vig..., I am seeing zero overlap on these wagons, which I find incredibly odd. That's where I was going to go vote...

Mod: I'm not in the first post.

[Titus]

Screw it, I'm going with scum letting town implode theory.

VOTE: Kop

[Titus]

Yeah, I have seen this before. You remember Garmr?

[Titus]

This being the accidentally fake claim.

[Titus]

Idk man it's been all day and still no VCA.

Too early. I need more bodies to be certain.

[Titus]

You mind explaining that garmr?

Seconded.

[Titus]

Garmr, you do know what I think of metas and tells right? Combine them and 99/100 you get bullshit.

[Titus]

I don't remember, it's been awhile but I do recall you pushing me as scum for awhile in the very game where I thought the guy with the bus avatar had a guilty on ABR. I could be wrong there. I don't keep score of who is right and who is wrong unless I confuse them a lot.

[Titus]

NY 181

You said I was scum there after having a 100% read on me. I was town.

[Titus]

Garmr, you do know what I think of metas and tells right? Combine them and 99/100 you get bullshit.

That's how I feel about the VCA you thrive on.

Well, I guess then we'll be seeing later.

[Titus]

@Aeronaut, I think you need to learn subtlety. Can you explain 1078?

@Keyser, I was looking for overlap on all three wagons.

[Titus]

Have we resolved the fact that FAQR tried to tell us he'd never played in a non-multiball game even though that's just completely false

How do you reach this conclusion?

[Titus]

How many kills per night in 180?

[Titus]

Oh right. I don't think by number. Too many games.

[Titus]

Honestly though I guess if Titus couldn't even remember co-modding that game I guess it's not too out of place for someone to not remember the setup.

I was also surprised that you'd only played multiball large normals, because I don't think I ever have

I try not to remember games where I'm trying to settle disputes between friends. I was just ika's comod because I like the guy and I'm sick of playing with him.

[Titus]

VOTE: TheDominator37

Alright, I'm not putting up with you anymore.

Pure policy lynch but it's got to happen.

What policy?

[Titus]

What's wrong with him?

I'm getting the nagging feeling we're just chasing our tails and scum like Kop are just going to lurk.

[Titus]

RC, If FAq2 is scum BBT will shoot him, giving us essentially a dual lynch.

If Kop does something townish, we can move. If you're truly fed up with Dom, why did you move to FAQ2?

[Titus]

You mean pretend policy lynch Dom? Over an actual policy lynch?

I could also do an RC wagon.

[Titus]

So lurking isn't a pain in your ass? When we have had shitty wagons on people who are active?

[Titus]

Garmr, that post looks shockingly similar to the allegations placed on me in NY 181 that it was a nonsensical scum gambit by me. I don't think Dave is scum here. I am not 100% sure what he's saying but his frustration looks similar.

[Titus]

@Kitty,

What do you think of Dave?

What do you think is terrible about my entrance?

[Titus]

@FAQ2, talk to me about Bulb.

[Titus]

For 1215 , I want to know more than pings. I want why.

[Titus]

I don't think Dragon's scum her but I should hear this out.

[Titus]

@Ank, I would skim the ISOs of Dave, Garmr, and Dragon if you didn't feel comfortable adopting my no read play style.

[Titus]

What else is intreasting is That he thought kling was townie as hell yet didn't question blue over the kill even through he was so adament on the night kill

There's too many pronouns for me to understand this. Can you rephrase this and give post references?

[Titus]

@dave
Dragon spawn is scummy for these reasons

Constantly defensive when pushed

Is playing dumb constantly so he can shift his vote

Gut from playing with him before

Post 303- seems like he has some knowledge of who scum is. Saying I'm not busting my buddies feels like a slip.

Post 484 seems like his trying to justify the double voter as town making me suspect he is the double voter or

at least on the same team

Post 500 seems like a attempt to push Anna as the big kill making me think he killed Anna

What? Who says there are multiple teams?

Why can't it be Large team, SK, Vig

[Titus]

Then you're stretching to make a case on dragon...

[Titus]

Can you rephrase the post I asked about?

[Titus]

VOTE: Garmr

RC, BBT claimed he shot Klingon.

[Titus]

@Keyser, I don't read upon replacing in. Second, NKA is shit without VCA which can't be done yet. So I literally don't give two shits.

[Titus]

Also blue if I get lynched today shoot D's for me once D's is dead the rest of the scum will fall

The only reason I've never considered even pressuring FAQ2 to sort him is solely because I think BBT's set on shooting FAQ2. So I don't think you'll get that despite it being the better play for my VCA.

[Titus]

@Dragonspawn, There's actually two schools of thought on an outed vig/sk claim. Leash or lynch. The flipping both competing wagons isn't scummy. That debate lead to a basic eternal war in Gundam Seed. So either position isn't scummy. Go back and check post flip.

[Titus]

@Me, Pages of bickering and mod gaming. Post more when people want to play mafia.

[Titus]

Kitty, Frankly your ISO doesn't. I drunk post a fair amount. Second, anyone who knows me would never associate me with being a wallflower and yes, a secret vote is going to bother me because I scumhunt by VCA. If there's a vote that I don't know who is casting it, that makes the game harder for me.

[Titus]

I'm leaning scum on Kitty by the way.

I scumhunt by VCA.

VCA is one tool that can be easily manipulated.

That's like saying I play baseball by catching fly balls. Yes, that's a part of baseball, but just catching fly balls does not a good player make.

Find me the last large game where my VCA was wrong.

[Titus]

Here's a hint, you can look but you won't find it. My games have pegged the pool containing scumteam in larges every time.

[Titus]

Kitty is town. Discuss.

OMGUS BBT?

This is really bad. If he weren't getting replaced I'd be far more inclined to lynch him than before.

I am waiting on Kitty's reply to my post before rendering a verdict on her.

[Titus]

RC I don't believe that game was a large.

[Titus]

And besides, that's grasping at straws.

Particularly when the person in question who you failed to detect and in fact gave a blanket townread on with your VCA, it would be a good idea to go beyond that for this game.

OF course I am going to go beyond it. The whole discussion was about Kitty objecting to me looking at the secret vote and that's what I do.

You are right, that was a large. I need to figure out what went wrong there. Oh well, still 7/8 with larges.

[Titus]

*shrug* I get the point there were a couple flukes I forgot about.

[Titus]

Dat Garmr train though. Not a fan.

What is your opinion:

If someone has soft-roleclaimed a PR, or hinted that one particular player is out-right town - would you want to lynch any of those respective players on that same day?

What is the point of this post? Without proof of the softclaim, it's meaningless to anyone who didn't see any softclaim. If you prove it though, it just jeopardizes the PR.

[Titus]

Titus, VCA confirmed me town as scum in Corpse Party.

I never seen Titus vca work tbh

You haven't played in too many where I had the pleasure. It works a lot.

[Titus]

To be fair your mostly scum in my games as well

Yeah for those two mistakes I have like 8 successes. I'm confident enough in it to where if I make two mistakes in lynching AFTER I post a VCA I'm 100% confident in, lynch my ass. If I haven't done it by day 5, lynch me.

[Titus]

To be fair your mostly scum in my games as well

Yeah for those two mistakes I have like 8 successes. I'm confident enough in it to where if I make two mistakes in lynching AFTER I post a VCA I'm 100% confident in, lynch my ass. If I haven't done it by day 5, lynch me.

Maybe it's my presence that screws them up lol

I don't think you were in NY 184. #toolazy to check. Why haven't you reached out to me, instead of just calling me honorary scum?

[Titus]

@Garmr, I'll bite. If we're going the sarcastic route, I can play that. Why should I vote your buddy Dave over you? You've been wierdly buddying me by using expressions found in your scumgames, getting into laborious 1 v 1 s with Dragonspawn, who I think is town and not providing much strong evidence.

@FAQ2, Yes. Confbias is strong in everyone. I am just transparent about it.

[Titus]

@Firebringer, who do you want to wagon?

@Kitty, As I told you, I drunk post a fair amount. It's not an excuse. You going back there after my explanation isn't cool. Scum frequently play dumb. Brian skies in Battlestar would reask questions I literally just answered to create the impression I was ignoring the game. I also mentioned that I'm never a wallflower, which everyone here agrees with. So the fact you think I was somehow plotting have a lack of commitment to scum hunting is asinine.

[Titus]

Firebringer, that's not how it works. If you hate both wagons close to deadline, you have to provide the alternative with a case.

[Titus]

I think he's townier than you. I see nothing amazing but nothing that pings me either.

[Titus]

Garmr, how often do I bother to read on subbing in? You need examples here.

[Titus]

I'm not hammering so yeah

[Titus]

Sorry Donald Trump will not come to build it. You'll need to vacate the fence Firebringer. If you fail to do so, your ass will hurt.

[Titus]

I'd be down for a boon quickwagon if he hasn't done anything by Monday. Out for the weekend.

[Titus]

@BBT - Here's what I think of Dave.

I think he's [Dave's] townier than you [Garmr]. I see nothing amazing but nothing that pings me either.

[Titus]

VOTE: Garmr

Risky of me to do right now, actually...haha. I have stuff to do the next few days, and will be in and out. I'm basically waiting for night so I can catch up.

This makes me really desire a flashwagon on Boonskiies.

[Titus]

VOTE: Davesaz

The amount of scum I'm seeing on the Garmr wagon strongly suggests that it's counterwagon, Daves, is scum.

I'm happy voting this.

How I garmr the counter wagon when his started first?

What's the vote count anyway? Did bulb already hammer? Is secret vote in play?

A counterwagon just means scum can pick either one. People get wrapped up in the which came first scenario and that's just stupid.

[Titus]

Garmr, how often do I bother to read on subbing in? You need examples here.

Garmr, how often do I bother to read on subbing in? You need examples here.

Can they wait till Sunday I'm currently at a party house out of town with shit net

Just a reminder Garmr, still waiting on this.

[Titus]

IF you think I'm scummy, why aren't you wanting me in the pool for BBT to shoot?

[Titus]

Depends on the alignment of the secret voter. Obviously not scum scum with the secret voter given how long there were counterwagons alive.

[Titus]

I'm not. I'm just saying Dave is not likely scum with the double voter. That says nothing about single v multiball.

[Titus]

VOTE: Firebringer

Self-voting is totally legal. Unless it's lylo. :-p

[Titus]

Rc did something useful.

We got lucky with Dave. But I tend to agree garmr is my likely scum unless he is on another scum team. Which considering the flip I tho k we have a vig and a SK.

How would that work though? There's a lot of missing kills that make no sense.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

I think I get that Shazam.

[Titus]

Also would like to point out Dave was obvious scum to anyone who has played with him before and can read behavior traits

Why? Walk me through this.

[Titus]

Also would like to point out Dave was obvious scum to anyone who has played with him before and can read behavior traits

Why? Walk me through this.

I don't think you have the ability to understand because of the way you hunt compared to me but the conclusion s David was coming to were not the ones he normally would. Plus he was trying seriously hard to misrep things as he lacks the ability to make a viable case on who he wants to Lynch dragon had a similar case of misreps so I think it was discussed in a qt

Similar cases on the same person? If they were constructed in a QT, I'd expectto find some evidence of a common speech pattern in their cases. Which posts do youfeel mirror each other?

[Titus]

Also a cop role on a mafia suggests multi faction not a SK big combo

Concurring with this.

[Titus]

Take garmr out of the scum list.

Garmr, I think Dragonspawn is not likely pushing a coordinated push with Daveaz. Dragonspawn could be opposition scum but he's not likely same scum as Dave. First, Dragonspawn should know by now that coordinated lynches by the scumteam are stupid. I wouldn't expect such a move from him. Second, while they are both pushing the same line of reasoning, the spacing is too far apart and the language isn't close enough. Third, I'd expect Dragonspawn to build up Dave with complements. Rather, I think Dragon was opportunistically hopping on Daveaz's idea.

VOTE: Dragonspawn

[Titus]

Of course I suggest the town looks into you after my mislynch so therefore I must be scum.

This is seriously getting ridiculous.

This is damn near a town tell to me. I am not getting back on the Dragonspawn wagon. The only way its not is if Dragon is heavily fucking bussed and that's why Dragon is frustrated.

The players I taught over at USMB all have the same sarcastic and annoyed vibe I do when wagoned. I find it hard to fake.

[Titus]

I disagree. I didn't train Daveaz. I just felt better about him than I did you. There's a certain gist you get towards people you help play. Maybe I am terrible at explaining this but Somethings you just get to know about someone.

I can practically hear Avatar's eyes rolling in the back of his head.

[Titus]

The latter is why I am not at a 100% town tell but I am pretty sure Avatar is town. I think it's time for my first glance at VCA because I think this Dragonspawn lynch is a mistake but I know I am not beating the case on him currently.

I will be out tomorrow. Give me til the end of Friday?

[Titus]

That is the quickest I have seen a wagon I hate be derailed...it was almost certainly scum driven.

[Titus]

I think Ronit's town...but I can't say why.

[Titus]

I think Ronit's town...but I can't say why.

If you say because he has a power role I will cringe

No. Not a chance. I literally cannot say

[Titus]

Which one? I don't see one I have missed. Post number please.

[Titus]

That is the quickest I have seen a wagon I hate be derailed...it was almost certainly scum driven.

Oh, why so generic? Can you elaborate on this a little more?

So I don't get the question...

[Titus]

The fact that Shazam of all people was the person who died last night means that something's very fucked with this game.

That kill makes sense if scum were on my wavelenght :S

That also explains the quick Ronin lynch.

Now, VCA time.

[Titus]

You claim wagon was scum driven.

Who were the scum driving it?

VCA should tell me. Still liking Boon as scum but he wasn't driving much of anything.

[Titus]

I wonder why myself or Garmr didn't die. I'm also wondering why there was only two kills.

I wish I hadn't got so fucking annoyed at start of D2.

Why, if you're an odd night vig, then your kill is why there's only two kills.

It's pretty well established multiball so :/

[Titus]

@Shazam, what are your thoughts now on the implications of davesaz's town-reads after his flip?

Let's be a little more explicit for Firebringer's benefit. The D1 lynch occurred at L-1 because there is a hidden vote in play. We don't know if it is a double voter, a silent voter, or what. In that light, any L-2 is a L-1.

BTW, I'm certain the Bella/Dom/Firebringer slot is town. Just so you know, observing my posts can show you, all you need to know is, the wagon on me is on town. I would be more circumspect if the count were lower, but it is a virtual L-1 in my eyes.

@MOD, V/LA until Sunday late afternoon.

Going camping and no internet on the mountain.

He said the Bella/Dom slot (AKA Annarchy) was town, even though HE DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS IN THE SLOT, because he said Firebringer. I believe he "townread" the slot because he was familiar with Bella/Dom being his scumpartners, but forgot who replaced in. VOTE: Annarchy

This makes more sense than the alternative view, which would be that he knew his current scumbuddy, but not their predecessors.

After thinking it over, I would prefer that people trust me and stop voting Firebringer rather than me explaining.

That can look like a PR crumb.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Vote Counts

Votecount 1.01

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ronit

- (4) Sword master, Garmr, BlueBloodedToffee, Aeronaut

Radiant Cowbells

- (2)

Annadog40

,

Prolapsed Brain

TheCow

- (2)

davesaz

, Boonskiies

mykonian

- (1)

Shazam

Bulbazoor

- (1) duppin

Sword Master

- (1)

ronit

BlueBlooded Toffee

- (1) TheCow

davesaz

- (1) Bellaphant

duppin

- (1)

mykonian

Not Voting:

RadiantCowbells

,

Bulbazoor

, Kop, FA_Q2, duppin, Kitty Galore,

Klingoncelt

, Keyser Söze

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.02

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ronit

- (7) Sword master, Garmr, BlueBloodedToffee, Aeronaut,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Annadog40

,

Shazam

TheCow

- (2)

davesaz

,

Radiant Cowbells

BlueBlooded Toffee

- (2) TheCow,

Klingoncelt

Bulbazoor

- (1) duppin

Sword Master

- (1)

ronit

davesaz

- (1) Bellaphant

duppin

- (1)

mykonian

garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Kop, FA_Q2, duppin, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze

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With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.04

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ronit

- (7) Sword master, Garmr, BlueBloodedToffee, Aeronaut,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

TheCow

- (2)

davesaz

,

Radiant Cowbells

BlueBlooded Toffee

- (2) TheCow,

Klingoncelt

Sword Master

- (1)

davesaz

- (1) Bellaphant

duppin

- (1)

mykonian

garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Bellaphant

- (1)

ronit

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Kop, FA_Q2, duppin, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, duppin

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With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.06

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ronit

- (5) Sword master, Garmr, Aeronaut,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

Prolapsed Brain

- (3) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin,

davesaz

TheCow

- (1)

Sword Master

- (1)

davesaz

- (1)

Keyser Söze

- (1)

mykonian

garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Bellaphant

- (1)

ronit

Shazam

- (1) Keyser Söze

Radiant Cowbells

- (1) FA_Q2

mykonian

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Kop, Bellaphant, Kitty Galore,

Prolapsed Brain

, TheCow,

Klingoncelt

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.07

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Prolapsed Brain

- (5) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin,

davesaz

, Bellaphant, TheCow

ronit

- (4) Sword master, Garmr,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

davesaz

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Keyser Söze

- (1)

mykonian

garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Bellaphant

- (1)

ronit

Shazam

- (1) Aeronaut

Radiant Cowbells

- (1) FA_Q2

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Kop, Kitty Galore,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Klingoncelt

, Keyser Söze

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With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Kop, Sword Master, and

Bulbazoor

are being prodded

VC Remains unchanged

Votecount 1.08

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Prolapsed Brain

- (5) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin,

davesaz

, Bellaphant, TheCow

ronit

- (4) Sword master, Garmr,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

davesaz

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Keyser Söze

- (1)

mykonian

garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Bellaphant

- (1)

ronit

Shazam

- (1) Aeronaut

Radiant Cowbells

- (1) FA_Q2

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Kop, Kitty Galore,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Klingoncelt

, Keyser Söze

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.09

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Prolapsed Brain

- (8) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin,

davesaz

, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze,

ronit

, FA_Q2

ronit

- (4) Sword master, Garmr,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

davesaz

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Keyser Söze

- (1)

mykonian

garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Shazam

- (1) Aeronaut

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Kop, Kitty Galore,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Klingoncelt

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With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.LYNCH

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Prolapsed Brain

- (11) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin,

davesaz

, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze,

ronit

, <Vote>, FA_Q2,

Bulbazoor

,

Klingoncelt

-

!!LYNCH!!

ronit

- (4) Sword master, Garmr,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

davesaz

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Keyser Söze

- (1)

mykonian

garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Bellaphant

- (1) Aeronaut

Not Voting:

Kop, Kitty Galore,

Prolapsed Brain

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With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

All Votes after post 421 are invalid and will not be counted.

Votecount 2.01

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Bulbazoor

- (2)

ronit

, Keysor Söze

BlueBloodedToffee

- (2) garmr, FA_Q2,

ronit

- (2)

Shazam

,

Radiant Cowbells

Keysoe Söze

- (1) BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Sword Master, Aeronaut,

Bulbazoor

, Kop, Bellaphant, Garmr,

davesaz

, duppin, Kitty Galore, TheCow

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With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Votecount 2.02

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ronit

- (5)

Shazam

,

Radiant Cowbells

,

Bulbazoor

, gamr, duppin

BlueBloodedToffee

- (2) garmr, FA_Q2,

Bulbazoor

- (1)

ronit

Keysoe Söze

- (1) BlueBloodedToffee

kitty Galore

- (1)

davesaz

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Sword Master, Aeronaut,

Bulbazoor

, Kop, Bellaphant, Kitty Galore, TheCow, Keysor Söze

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Votecount 2.03

---

ronit

- (5)

Shazam

,

Radiant Cowbells

,

Bulbazoor

, garmr, duppin

BlueBloodedToffee

- (3) FA_Q2, TheDominator37, Kop

Bulbazoor

- (1)

ronit

Keysoe Söze

- (1) BlueBloodedToffee

kitty Galore

- (1)

davesaz

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Sword Master, Aeronaut,

Bulbazoor

, Kitty Galore, TheCow, Keysor Söze

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Aeronaut is V/LA until Friday, 07AUG15
Sword Master is V/LA until xxyy, or a time when I feel his abscence is unacceptable.

---

Votecount 2.04

---

ronit

- (4)

Radiant Cowbells

,

Bulbazoor

, garmr, duppin

BlueBloodedToffee

- (4) FA_Q2, TheDominator37, Kop, Keysor Söze

Bulbazoor

- (1)

ronit

Keysoe Söze

- (1) BlueBloodedToffee

kitty Galore

- (1)

davesaz

Aeronaut

- (1)

Bulbazoor

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Sword Master, Aeronaut, Kitty Galore, TheCow, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

,

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Sword Master will be replaced today if he does not respond by 4pm forum time.
TheCow is V/LA until 09AUG15

Votecount 2.05

---

BlueBloodedToffee

- (5) FA_Q2, TheDominator37, Kop, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

ronit

- (3)

Radiant Cowbells

, garmr, duppin

FA_Q2

- (2) BlueBloodedToffee,

davesaz

Bulbazoor

- (1)

ronit

Kitty Galore

- (1)

Bulbazoor

Aeronaut

- (1)

Bulbazoor

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Titus, Aeronaut, Kitty Galore, TheCow, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

,

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

TheCow is V/LA until 09AUG15

Votecount 2.07

---

BlueBloodedToffee

- (5) FA_Q2, Kop, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

, Kitty Galore

ronit

- (5)

Radiant Cowbells

, duppin, garmr, BlueBloodedToffee,

Bulbazoor

garmr

- (2)

ronit

, Boonskiies

FA_Q2

- (1)

davesaz

Not Voting:

Titus, Aeronaut, TheCow, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

, TheDominator37

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

TheCow will be prodded tomorrow if he does not post by the evening.

Votecount 2.08

---

BlueBloodedToffee

- (6) FA_Q2, Kop, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

, Kitty Galore, TheDominator37

ronit

- (6)

Radiant Cowbells

, duppin, garmr, BlueBloodedToffee,

davesaz

,

Bulbazoor

garmr

- (2)

ronit

, Boonskiies

Not Voting:

Titus, Aeronaut, TheCow

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

TheCow will be prodded tomorrow if he does not post by the evening.

Votecount 2.09

---

garmr

- (4)

ronit

, Boonskiies,

davesaz

, TheDominator37

davesaz

- (2) Keysor Söze, BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedToffee

- (2) FA_Q2, Kitty Galore

ronit

- (1) duppin, garmr

Aeronaut

- (1)

Shazam

Kop

- (1) Titus

FA_Q2

- (1)

Bulbazoor

Not Voting:

Titus, TheCow, Aeronaut, Kop,

Radiant Cowbells

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Prodding TheCow
Prodding Kop with a final warning

Votecount 2.10

---

garmr

- (4)

ronit

, Boonskiies,

davesaz

, TheDominator37

Kop

- (3) Titus,

Bulbazoor

, BlueBloodedToffee

davesaz

- (2) Keysor Söze, garmr

BlueBloodedToffee

- (2) FA_Q2, Kitty Galore

ronit

- (1) duppin

Aeronaut

- (1)

Shazam

FA_Q2

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Not Voting:

TheCow, Aeronaut, Kop

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Votecount 2.11

---

davesaz

- (5) Keysor Söze, garmr, BlueBloodedToffee, Aeronaut,

Bulbazoor

garmr

- (3)

ronit

, Boonskiies,

davesaz

Kop

- (1) Titus

BlueBloodedToffee

- (1) FA_Q2

ronit

- (1) duppin

Aeronaut

- (1)

Shazam

FA_Q2

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Titus

- (1) Kitty Galore

Not Voting:

Ankamius, Kop, TheDominator37

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Seeking replacement for Kop

Votecount 2.12

---

davesaz

- (5) Keysor Söze, garmr, BlueBloodedToffee, Aeronaut,

Bulbazoor

garmr

- (4)

ronit

, Boonskiies,

davesaz

, Titus

BlueBloodedToffee

- (2) FA_Q2, TheDominator37

ronit

- (2) duppin, Ankamius

Aeronaut

- (1)

Shazam

FA_Q2

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Titus

- (1) Kitty Galore

Not Voting:

Kop

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Seeking replacement for Kop

Votecount 2.15

---

davesaz

- (6) Keysor Söze, garmr, BlueBloodedToffee, Aeronaut, duppin,

Shazam

garmr

- (6)

ronit

, Boonskiies,

davesaz

, Titus, FA_Q2, TheDominator37

ronit

- (1) Ankamius

FA_Q2

- (2)

Radiant Cowbells

,

Bulbazoor

Titus

- (1) Kitty Galore

Not Voting:

Firebringer

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Seeking replacement for TheDominator37

davesaz

is V/LA until Sunday.

Votecount 3.01

---

Firebringer

- (2) BlueBloodedToffee, FA_Q2

ronit

- (1) Firebringer

Annarchy

- (1)

Shazam

Not Voting:

Boonskiies,

Bulbazoor

,

ronit

, Annarchy, Garmr, Ankamius, duppin, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, Aeronaut

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.02

---

ronit

- (6) Firebringer,

Shazam

, garmr, duppin, Annarchy, Ankamius

Firebringer

- (1) FA_Q2

Annarchy

- (1)

ronit

FA_Q2

- (1) BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting:

Boonskiies,

Bulbazoor

, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, Aeronaut

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.03

---

ronit

- (3) Firebringer, garmr, Annarchy

Annarchy

- (2)

ronit

,

Shazam

Firebringer

- (1) FA_Q2

FA_Q2

- (1) BlueBloodedToffee

Kitty Galore

- (1)

Bulbazoor

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, Aeronaut, duppin, Ankamius

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.04

---

Shazam

- (3) Ankamius, FA_Q2, Firebringer

Annarchy

- (3)

ronit

,

Shazam

,

Bulbazoor

ronit

- (2) garmr, Annarchy

Firebringer

- (1) FA_Q2

FA_Q2

- (1) BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, Aeronaut, duppin

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.05

---

Shazam

- (3) Ankamius, FA_Q2, Firebringer

SaintConstantinetheHermit

- (3)

ronit

,

Shazam

,

Bulbazoor

ronit

- (2) garmr, Annarchy

Firebringer

- (1) FA_Q2

FA_Q2

- (1) BlueBloodedToffee

Kitty Galore

- (1) Aeronaut

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, duppin

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.07

---

ronit

- (7) garmr, SaintConstantinetheHermit, FA_Q2, Aeronaut, Firebringer, Ankamius, BlueBloodedToffee

SaintConstantinetheHermit

- (3)

ronit

,

Bulbazoor

,

Shazam

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, duppin

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.LYNCH

---

ronit

- (8) garmr, SaintConstantinetheHermit, FA_Q2, Aeronaut, Firebringer, Ankamius, BlueBloodedToffee, <vote>

SaintConstantinetheHermit

- (3)

ronit

,

Bulbazoor

,

Shazam

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, duppin

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

[Titus]

VOTE: Hermit

That's who I want based on the VCs. Everyone wagoning Hermit dies on the same night. I've seen that pattern before in InuYasha.

[Titus]

That VCA is misleading if you're going to include Vig kills.

My analysis isn't totally done yet, but it's not misleading to include vig kills, especially if the vig is agency captured.

[Titus]

He's scum because the kills look engineered to protect hermit. Same thing happened in InuYasha. I got a wagon on scum. Everyone who voted it the next day died.

[Titus]

No. Shos was the vig and helped scum in InuYasha. I am postulating you are a townbeard.

[Titus]

Odd night SK with multiple scumteams? No.

Comment on Hermit please.

[Titus]

And forgo half his kills for the rest of the game? No.

[Titus]

Too risky IMO. Thoughts on Hermit please?

[Titus]

I didn't even realize bulb crumbed to be honest.

@BBT in fairness I forgot too.

Forgot about what?

Bulb's crumb.

Huh?

VOTE: Aeronaut

That's pretty bad.

[Titus]

You just abandon your VCA Titus...just like that?

It's not done. I can tell no one is going to lynch Hermit BC it's like pulling teeth to talk about them. Aero is scummy for his comments and I might as well be useful.

[Titus]

Yeah. I didn't. I have been around the block a few times. I know what a wagon that won't take off when I start it looks like.

[Titus]

I conur. That's 7 gallons of wine in a 5 gallon jug.

[Titus]

@Duppin, normally I am inclined to agree. Regardless, most of the wagon was wierd yesterday. If the wagon D2 was all or mostly town, scum knew they could start a riot on Dragon/ronit and get them lynched. That's my biggest reservation with the wagon. Sure Aero is fmpov, the most likely scum.

[Titus]

VLA tomorrow

[Titus]

Did someone say L-1?

VOTE: Kitty

Yeah.

That's awesome. At least you are participating.

These two posts give me the creeps.

Boonskiies lolhammering Kitty makes no sense. KG cheering Boon on for a shitty vote makes no sense.

Who his the sanity pills?

[Titus]

OK I am at about 75% certainty on this VCA pool for the red team. I expect a blue flip or two in there as well but I don't want to say that is the pool for them yet.

One of Duppin/Garmr (early dragon wagons).
Kitty
Aero
Boonskiies
Hermit
BBT

[Titus]

*blue is abstract thought. I am not saying there is a team that is blue.

[Titus]

No. We are supposing multiball. Blue is shorthand for the team red would need a cop for.

[Titus]

Fridge broke...will be out for awhile

[Titus]

Kitty's throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

[Titus]

What's your read on me Titus, and why?

Scum. You have been just throwing mud around at people easy to lynch (which is true of me as town) and people who will not be lynched bc obvtown (Garmr). You still say "my entrance was shit" after being proven wrong on that.

[Titus]

I hate the company on my wagon but the lynch looks better by play.

Firebringer looks town by play (resigned to lynch BC he sucked) but his wagon is good but for Aero.

Mod: You have Kitty Galore not voting twice. Is that a mistake?

dah. a quickie vc

[Titus]

Titus are you ever going to show your work with your VCA?

I will when I figure out exactly what it is.

Basically, there's something about that last dragonspawn lynch yesterday and the D2 wagon I'm having trouble clarifying. An Aero lynch would help in that regard, and he hasn't been all that townie. I need more time to look at that to make sure I have a coherent picture. Writing things out does help in that regard. If the narrative makes no sense, then an assumption made is wrong.

I'm busy working most of the day, but I am getting to this as soon as possible.

[Titus]

If you're a vig I really hope you would have CCed BBT by now

Yeah, this ^^^

Can we stop taking up space on this page unless we're voting for Fire place?

Vigs would CC by shooting, not by CCing in public.

[Titus]

Vigs would CC by shooting, not by CCing in public.

Wrong. If nobody CCs me right now - any claim after my death should be treated as a scum claim.

why are you in such a hurry?

I need to get to night phase so I can talk to my buddies and decide who to kill.

Anyone claiming vig after a vig flip is an utter moron.

[Titus]

Titus, can I get an overview of your reads please?

Aero, Kitty are large scumreads
Keyser worries me more than yesterday
Garmr's improved
Where's duppin?
Firebringer is not likely group scum.
FAQ reads as townbeard.
BBT very likely but not confirmed vig. (If we see three kills on an odd night, that would confirm you)

That's where I am ATM.

[Titus]

*three kills again

[Titus]

Forgot Boonskiies as scum

[Titus]

All my work is presuming two teams BC that's the group consensus due to Dave flip.

[Titus]

No. It's basically saying Firebringer is town unless all the assumptions we made about multi group scum are wrong then Firebringer could be SK.

Simpler to say Firebringer is not groupscum.

[Titus]

Because that would be misleading as the scenario I mentioned above Firebringer would not be town.

[Titus]

I like FB for town. All I know is that FB isn't groupscum though.

[Titus]

Will need to polis vca when I get home but I think it's

Red Scum
Scum B
Odd Night Vig + Even Night Vig

My VCA will proceed with that assumption.

Massclaim should go now.

PR or VT Popcorn.

Then Popcorn among PRs. Last PR to claim full claims first. Then Popcorn.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Updated Vote Counts

Votecount 1.01

---

ronit

- (4) Titus,

Garmr

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Aeronaut

Radiant Cowbells

- (2)

Annadog40

,

Prolapsed Brain

Ankamius

- (2)

davesaz

, Boonskiies

mykonian

- (1)

Shazam

Bulbazoor

- (1) duppin

Titus

- (1)

ronit

BlueBlooded Toffee

- (1) Ankamius

davesaz

- (1) St Constantine the Hermit

duppin

- (1)

mykonian

Not Voting:

RadiantCowbells

,

Bulbazoor

, Firebringer,

FA_Q2

, duppin, Kitty Galore,

Klingoncelt

, Keyser Söze

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.02

---

ronit

- (7) Titus,

Garmr

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Aeronaut,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Annadog40

,

Shazam

Ankamius

- (2)

davesaz

,

Radiant Cowbells

BlueBlooded Toffee

- (2) Ankamius,

Klingoncelt

Bulbazoor

- (1) duppin

Titus

- (1)

ronit

davesaz

- (1) St Constantine the Hermit

duppin

- (1)

mykonian

Garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Firebringer,

FA_Q2

, duppin, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.04

---

ronit

- (7) Titus,

Garmr

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Aeronaut,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

Ankamius

- (2)

davesaz

,

Radiant Cowbells

BlueBlooded Toffee

- (2) Ankamius,

Klingoncelt

Titus

- (1)

davesaz

- (1) St Constantine the Hermit

duppin

- (1)

mykonian

Garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

St Constantine the Hermit

- (1)

ronit

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Firebringer,

FA_Q2

, duppin, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, duppin

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.06

---

ronit

- (5) Titus,

Garmr

, Aeronaut,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

Prolapsed Brain

- (3)

BlueBloodedToffee

, duppin,

davesaz

Ankamius

- (1)

Titus

- (1)

davesaz

- (1)

Keyser Söze

- (1)

mykonian

Garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

St Constantine the Hermit

- (1)

ronit

Shazam

- (1) Keyser Söze

Radiant Cowbells

- (1)

FA_Q2

mykonian

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Firebringer, St Constantine the Hermit, Kitty Galore,

Prolapsed Brain

, Ankamius,

Klingoncelt

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.07

---

Prolapsed Brain

- (5)

BlueBloodedToffee

, duppin,

davesaz

, St Constantine the Hermit, Ankamius

ronit

- (4) Titus,

Garmr

,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

davesaz

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Keyser Söze

- (1)

mykonian

Garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

St Constantine the Hermit

- (1)

ronit

Shazam

- (1) Aeronaut

Radiant Cowbells

- (1)

FA_Q2

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Firebringer, Kitty Galore,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Klingoncelt

, Keyser Söze

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Firebringer, Titus, and

Bulbazoor

are being prodded

VC Remains unchanged

Votecount 1.08

---

Prolapsed Brain

- (5)

BlueBloodedToffee

, duppin,

davesaz

, St Constantine the Hermit, Ankamius

ronit

- (4) Titus,

Garmr

,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

davesaz

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Keyser Söze

- (1)

mykonian

Garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

St Constantine the Hermit

- (1)

ronit

Shazam

- (1) Aeronaut

Radiant Cowbells

- (1)

FA_Q2

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Firebringer, Kitty Galore,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Klingoncelt

, Keyser Söze

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.09

---

Prolapsed Brain

- (8)

BlueBloodedToffee

, duppin,

davesaz

, St Constantine the Hermit, Ankamius, Keyser Söze,

ronit

,

FA_Q2

ronit

- (4) Titus,

Garmr

,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

davesaz

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Keyser Söze

- (1)

mykonian

Garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Shazam

- (1) Aeronaut

Not Voting:

Bulbazoor

, Firebringer, Kitty Galore,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Klingoncelt

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Votecount 1.LYNCH

---

Prolapsed Brain

- (11)

BlueBloodedToffee

, duppin,

davesaz

, St Constantine the Hermit, Ankamius, Keyser Söze,

ronit

, <Vote>,

FA_Q2

,

Bulbazoor

,

Klingoncelt

-

!!LYNCH!!

ronit

- (4) Titus,

Garmr

,

Shazam

,

Annadog40

davesaz

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Keyser Söze

- (1)

mykonian

Garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

St Constantine the Hermit

- (1) Aeronaut

Not Voting:

Firebringer, Kitty Galore,

Prolapsed Brain

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

All Votes after post 421 are invalid and will not be counted.

Votecount 2.01

---

Bulbazoor

- (2)

ronit

, Keysor Söze

BlueBloodedToffee

- (2)

Garmr

,

FA_Q2

,

ronit

- (2)

Shazam

,

Radiant Cowbells

Keysoe Söze

- (1)

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Titus, Aeronaut,

Bulbazoor

, Firebringer, St Constantine the Hermit,

Garmr

,

davesaz

, duppin, Kitty Galore, Ankamius

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Votecount 2.02

---

ronit

- (5)

Shazam

,

Radiant Cowbells

,

Bulbazoor

, gamr, duppin

BlueBloodedToffee

- (2)

Garmr

,

FA_Q2

,

Bulbazoor

- (1)

ronit

Keysoe Söze

- (1)

BlueBloodedToffee

kitty Galore

- (1)

davesaz

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Titus, Aeronaut,

Bulbazoor

, Firebringer, St Constantine the Hermit, Kitty Galore, Ankamius, Keysor Söze

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Votecount 2.03

---

ronit

- (5)

Shazam

,

Radiant Cowbells

,

Bulbazoor

,

Garmr

, duppin

BlueBloodedToffee

- (3)

FA_Q2

, St Constantine the Hermit, Firebringer

Bulbazoor

- (1)

ronit

Keysoe Söze

- (1)

BlueBloodedToffee

kitty Galore

- (1)

davesaz

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Titus, Aeronaut,

Bulbazoor

, Kitty Galore, Ankamius, Keysor Söze

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Aeronaut is V/LA until Friday, 07AUG15
Titus is V/LA until xxyy, or a time when I feel his abscence is unacceptable.

---

Votecount 2.04

---

ronit

- (4)

Radiant Cowbells

,

Bulbazoor

,

Garmr

, duppin

BlueBloodedToffee

- (4)

FA_Q2

, St Constantine the Hermit, Firebringer, Keysor Söze

Bulbazoor

- (1)

ronit

Keysoe Söze

- (1)

BlueBloodedToffee

kitty Galore

- (1)

davesaz

Aeronaut

- (1)

Bulbazoor

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Titus, Aeronaut, Kitty Galore, Ankamius, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

,

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Titus will be replaced today if he does not respond by 4pm forum time.
Ankamius is V/LA until 09AUG15

Votecount 2.05

---

BlueBloodedToffee

- (5)

FA_Q2

, St Constantine the Hermit, Firebringer, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

ronit

- (3)

Radiant Cowbells

,

Garmr

, duppin

FA_Q2

- (2)

BlueBloodedToffee

,

davesaz

Bulbazoor

- (1)

ronit

Kitty Galore

- (1)

Bulbazoor

Aeronaut

- (1)

Bulbazoor

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Titus, Aeronaut, Kitty Galore, Ankamius, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

,

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Ankamius is V/LA until 09AUG15

Votecount 2.07

---

BlueBloodedToffee

- (5)

FA_Q2

, Firebringer, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

, Kitty Galore

ronit

- (5)

Radiant Cowbells

, duppin,

Garmr

,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Bulbazoor

Garmr

- (2)

ronit

, Boonskiies

FA_Q2

- (1)

davesaz

Not Voting:

Titus, Aeronaut, Ankamius, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

, St Constantine the Hermit

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Ankamius will be prodded tomorrow if he does not post by the evening.

Votecount 2.08

---

BlueBloodedToffee

- (6)

FA_Q2

, Firebringer, Keysor Söze,

Shazam

, Kitty Galore, St Constantine the Hermit

ronit

- (6)

Radiant Cowbells

, duppin,

Garmr

,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

davesaz

,

Bulbazoor

Garmr

- (2)

ronit

, Boonskiies

Not Voting:

Titus, Aeronaut, Ankamius

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Ankamius will be prodded tomorrow if he does not post by the evening.

Votecount 2.09

---

Garmr

- (4)

ronit

, Boonskiies,

davesaz

, St Constantine the Hermit

davesaz

- (2) Keysor Söze,

BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedToffee

- (2)

FA_Q2

, Kitty Galore

ronit

- (1) duppin,

Garmr

Aeronaut

- (1)

Shazam

Firebringer

- (1) Titus

FA_Q2

- (1)

Bulbazoor

Not Voting:

Titus, Ankamius, Aeronaut, Firebringer,

Radiant Cowbells

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Prodding Ankamius
Prodding Firebringer with a final warning

Votecount 2.10

---

Garmr

- (4)

ronit

, Boonskiies,

davesaz

, St Constantine the Hermit

Firebringer

- (3) Titus,

Bulbazoor

,

BlueBloodedToffee

davesaz

- (2) Keysor Söze,

Garmr

BlueBloodedToffee

- (2)

FA_Q2

, Kitty Galore

ronit

- (1) duppin

Aeronaut

- (1)

Shazam

FA_Q2

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Not Voting:

Ankamius, Aeronaut, Firebringer

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Votecount 2.11

---

davesaz

- (5) Keysor Söze,

Garmr

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Aeronaut,

Bulbazoor

Garmr

- (3)

ronit

, Boonskiies,

davesaz

Firebringer

- (1) Titus

BlueBloodedToffee

- (1)

FA_Q2

ronit

- (1) duppin

Aeronaut

- (1)

Shazam

FA_Q2

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Titus

- (1) Kitty Galore

Not Voting:

Ankamius, Firebringer, St Constantine the Hermit

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Seeking replacement for Firebringer

Votecount 2.12

---

davesaz

- (5) Keysor Söze,

Garmr

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Aeronaut,

Bulbazoor

Garmr

- (4)

ronit

, Boonskiies,

davesaz

, Titus

BlueBloodedToffee

- (2)

FA_Q2

, St Constantine the Hermit

ronit

- (2) duppin, Ankamius

Aeronaut

- (1)

Shazam

FA_Q2

- (1)

Radiant Cowbells

Titus

- (1) Kitty Galore

Not Voting:

Firebringer

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Seeking replacement for Firebringer

Votecount 2.15

---

davesaz

- (6) Keysor Söze,

Garmr

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Aeronaut, duppin,

Shazam

Garmr

- (6)

ronit

, Boonskiies,

davesaz

, Titus,

FA_Q2

, St Constantine the Hermit

ronit

- (1) Ankamius

FA_Q2

- (2)

Radiant Cowbells

,

Bulbazoor

Titus

- (1) Kitty Galore

Not Voting:

Firebringer

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Seeking replacement for St Constantine the Hermit

davesaz

is V/LA until Sunday.

Votecount 3.01

---

Firebringer

- (2)

BlueBloodedToffee

,

FA_Q2

ronit

- (1) Firebringer

St Constantine the Hermit

- (1)

Shazam

Not Voting:

Boonskiies,

Bulbazoor

,

ronit

, St Constantine the Hermit,

Garmr

, Ankamius, duppin, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, Aeronaut

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.02

---

ronit

- (6) Firebringer,

Shazam

,

Garmr

, duppin, St Constantine the Hermit, Ankamius

Firebringer

- (1)

FA_Q2

St Constantine the Hermit

- (1)

ronit

FA_Q2

- (1)

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting:

Boonskiies,

Bulbazoor

, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, Aeronaut

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.03

---

ronit

- (3) Firebringer,

Garmr

, St Constantine the Hermit

St Constantine the Hermit

- (2)

ronit

,

Shazam

Firebringer

- (1)

FA_Q2

FA_Q2

- (1)

BlueBloodedToffee

Kitty Galore

- (1)

Bulbazoor

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, Aeronaut, duppin, Ankamius

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.04

---

Shazam

- (3) Ankamius,

FA_Q2

, Firebringer

St Constantine the Hermit

- (3)

ronit

,

Shazam

,

Bulbazoor

ronit

- (2)

Garmr

, St Constantine the Hermit

Firebringer

- (1)

FA_Q2

FA_Q2

- (1)

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, Aeronaut, duppin

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.05

---

Shazam

- (3) Ankamius,

FA_Q2

, Firebringer

SaintConstantinetheHermit

- (3)

ronit

,

Shazam

,

Bulbazoor

ronit

- (2)

Garmr

, St Constantine the Hermit

Firebringer

- (1)

FA_Q2

FA_Q2

- (1)

BlueBloodedToffee

Kitty Galore

- (1) Aeronaut

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, duppin

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.07

---

ronit

- (7)

Garmr

, SaintConstantinetheHermit,

FA_Q2

, Aeronaut, Firebringer, Ankamius,

BlueBloodedToffee

SaintConstantinetheHermit

- (3)

ronit

,

Bulbazoor

,

Shazam

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, duppin

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 3.LYNCH

---

ronit

- (8)

Garmr

, SaintConstantinetheHermit,

FA_Q2

, Aeronaut, Firebringer, Ankamius,

BlueBloodedToffee

, <vote>

SaintConstantinetheHermit

- (3)

ronit

,

Bulbazoor

,

Shazam

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, duppin

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 4.01

---

Kitty Galore

- (2)

Garmr

, Aeronaut

Saint Constantine the Hermit

- (1) Titus

Aernaut

- (1)

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, duppin, SaintConstantinetheHermit,

FA_Q2

, Firebringer, Ankamius

---

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is 09SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-09 14:00:00)

Keysor Soze is V/LA until 31AUG15

Votecount 4.02

---

Aeronaut

- (5)

BlueBloodedToffee

, Titus, Firebringer, St Constantine the Hermit, Kitty Galore

Kitty Galore

- (2)

Garmr

, Aeronaut

St Constantine the Hermit

- (1) Boonskies

Not Voting:

Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, duppin,

FA_Q2

, Ankamius

---

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is 09SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-09 14:00:00)

Keysor Soze is V/LA until 31AUG15
Titus is V/LA until 8/30/15

Votecount 4.04

---

Firebringer

- (4) Aeronaut,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Garmr

, Ankamius

Aeronaut

- (3) Titus, Firebringer, St Constantine the Hermit

Kitty Galore

- (1), Boonskies

Not Voting:

Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, duppin,

FA_Q2

---

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is 09SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-09 14:00:00)

Votecount 4.05

---

Firebringer

- (6) Aeronaut,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Garmr

, Ankamius, Kitty Galore,

FA_Q2

Aeronaut

- (3) Titus, Firebringer, St Constantine the Hermit

Kitty Galore

- (1), Boonskies

Not Voting:

Keyser Söze, duppin

---

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is 09SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-09 14:00:00)

Votecount 4.LYNCH

---

Firebringer

- (7) Aeronaut,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Garmr

, Ankamius, Kitty Galore,

FA_Q2

, <Vote>

Aeronaut

- (3) Titus, Firebringer, St Constantine the Hermit

Kitty Galore

- (1), Boonskies

Not Voting:

Keyser Söze, duppin

---

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is 09SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-09 14:00:00)

[redacted flavor]

Firebringer,

[Town] Citizen

, was Lynched Day 04!

Night 04 begins now. Send in your actions
Deadline is 05SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-05 19:00:00)

[Titus]

From the vote counts, I see we have very apathetic scum teams, assuming the "blue" team follows the same profile as dave, being the example for the red team.

Given we do not have a blue flip, vcaring them is harder.

Red team notes:
Dave was not on any of the major wagons
Any useless wagon should not contain two red scum near each other - druppin hermit and boon are not likely red scum (still could be blue)
It is less likely for scum to bus, but not always true. If we suppose duppin boon and hermit are town, red scum are in Ank and kitty or scum bussed. If we suppose 6 scum, 3 teams of 3, we should see one Ank/Kitty, one Aero/Keysor.
Based on day 4 aero Kitty is more likely.

Blue scum
Blue scum is harder
However if we suppose the same apathy then
Duppin boon hermit Ank kitty
I don't like ro it wagon being all town, so duppin gets penciled in.
Boon skies has been dodging VCA and only voted one major wagon or cow. So he's blue two.
Tentatively, I like Hermit as scum 3 as it explains many kills in this game.

For now, I want to lynch aero as eliminating the red team is priority number one.

[Titus]

@Aero, you're up. PR or VT.

[Titus]

Kitty.

[Titus]

Vt. Derp.

[Titus]

@Aero, you're up. PR or VT.

PR, hence why I seriously hinted yesterday that I would not be lynched.

Personally, I'd say there's a really good chance of scum being within Key, Titus, Hermit. Those three people look the worst to me.

I need to also re look at Boon though; usually if he makes it to this point in the game he because active/helpful but that's not the case here so maybe I'm wrong about him.

The active and helpful people have been dying in droves. Scum usually shoot active and helpful. Yet you expect boon to live if active and helpful?

[Titus]

Mass claim is fine with me...

Seems so funny that no one seems surprised that FIRE WAS TOWN! He didn't even try! Completely anti town, thanks, dude.

So with the lack of surprise from anyone, I expect, I am the last of one or two town since the night kill was such a blood bath. GG guys. Whichever side wins.

I feel duppin, Titus, Boon... team

Aero, Keysor, ank.... team

have no idea on hermit.

Like it matters. But I am at least going to try. If I am right there aren't enough town to save me from a lynch, so it depends on what the teams want to do.

You mean not enough scum to save you.

I said Fire was town. I was ignored. I said Ronit was town. I was ignored.

Now you're trying to sneak me in as scum to discredit me.

You are up in massclaim.

[Titus]

I would suggest no votes until after the roleclaims...

We are possibly down to 3 townies right now.

Seconded.

That Boon push is really bad.

V/LA today

[Titus]

I would suggest no votes until after the roleclaims...

We are possibly down to 3 townies right now.

Seconded.

That Boon push is really bad.

V/LA today

exactly. It's all OMGUS from Ank.

No. I was meaning your push was bad. Your push on me and Kitty was terrible. VT and Citizen are interchangable. I frequently refer to massclaim as PR/VT. You oughta know that by now.

Your Ank push makes no intelligible sense. You're just all around bad.

[Titus]

I feel duppin, Titus, Boon... team

Aero, Keysor, ank.... team

Anyone see the problem with these from Kitty? I missed that because I was in a hurry.

She has two living teams of three, even with one flipped scum.

[Titus]

TWO OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS:

Is it anti-town to ask how many neighbourhoods we have, and how many are actually in them?

Yea.

Can I have an explanation now please.

Does anyone have day chat right now?

I think

Ronit's town...but I can't say why

.

Looking through my notes - did you explain this?

No. I still can't. It's the ongoing games rule.

[Titus]

Can we have a confirmation of what 'neighbourhoods' were in play too...

Please can you confirm if you are in a neighbourhood.

I'm not a neighbor. I would have said PR in that instance.

[Titus]

Ank you need to request the next in massclaim.

[Titus]

Keysor, Hermit, Duppin

[Titus]

The idea behind PR versus VT (Citizen) mass claim is that scum don't know who they are ccing with PR and VT and must decide before knowing all the setup.

Second, you are supposed to popcorn to your scumread. Thus scum (with a smart town) are forced towards the front. They have to then pick their biggest scumread out of who is left, thus generating info.

Once everyone has claimed, PRs claim.

[Titus]

I am not believing you Kitty. You are electively applying the facts at best. Garmr was arguing I was 100% town until the end, yet you're arguing I am scum. Disagreeing with Garmr would be OK, but for the fact you're trying to convince me you're innocent due to the dead people believing you are not scum. Your argument is at best hypocritical.

Second, if you've looked at my town games recently, I look more at votes than I do reactions.

[Titus]

@Kitty, that's not how my VCA works. I find town and work backwards using a series of assumptions about scum's play based on the flips we've seen.

Given the number of townflups we've seen, I am not expecting heavy or sudden scum pushes. Starting from that premise, multi group scum, and I am town, those conclusions fall more naturally.

[Titus]

No, you're not understanding. I already showed my work. I deduce who is town first and work with what's left over based on PoE.

I state my assumptions and work from there. I repeated them for you.

It's not deflecting to state that you work from town to find scum.

Why are you so focused on looking town rather than pushing scum?

[Titus]

So who are you pushing as scum? You gave a throwaway comment that Boon was scum and you're trying to convince me you're town.

Second, you should be able to deduce here that Aero more than likely is town, thanks to his current status as unced PR, which puts him as likely even night vig. The "I'm the only town" is fake as shit.

[Titus]

Obviously by my response, that has changed unless someone else claims PR. There's no way we are looking at three anti town factions so as long as Aero is the sole PR, he's town.

Duppin is scum that's not red in my VCA.

You've got a major woe is me complex. Now that I am calling you out, you're claiming you're not experienced enough to make cases. Yet, when I entered you made a horrible case on me stating my entrance was bad. So which is it? Are you capable of making cases or not?

The last is a leading question implying I should have a problem with you asking me questions. I don't. Your questions make your alignment obvious and should make me obvious town to the group, so keep peppering.

VOTE: Kitty Galore

[Titus]

My VCA includes all possibilities and is revised with each flip. I already pitched my old notes for that prior VCA. If you were concerned, why didn't you ask then? If it's important to town, I will try to recreate it.

I don't mention the phrase VCA in every single post, yet you'll find the reads I push consistent with it.

[Titus]

@Keysor, your logic presumes that all PR claimers are town. While I believe you and Aero are town, I think getting full claims from the three of you is the next step.

Since you are the last to claim PR Keyser, you are first to fullclaim.

[Titus]

Also why are you presuming 3 scum on scum A but a variable amount on scum B?

[Titus]

Also why are you presuming 3 scum on scum A but a variable amount on scum B?

Scum A and Scum B are unknown (we have only seen 1 flip) - but I presumed 3 of each scum if 6.
But there are presumably 5 or 6 scum. If 7, the game would have been over.
But, yes, if 5 a, variable on either.

So it could be 2 Scum A three scum B?

What about 2 and 2 given the high KPN?

[Titus]

Keysor claiming even town vig is not what I had expected, which puts Aero back down a bit (claim depending).

I want Keysor to claim who he shot but only after the other PR claimers full claim.

[Titus]

Yeah that looked like a joke and not a crumb to me. Seriously, you could claim cop or mason with that "crumb". Plus, I believe you fake claimed investigative before.

Why would you even want to crumb BP?

[Titus]

*before in another game.

[Titus]

Suppose I am dumb Aero.

[Titus]

No I am asking you why you crumbed bp.

I want to know.

I don't have time for obtuse. My fridge gave out. My electricity is being a bitch to my PC. I don't have time for obtuse.

[Titus]

I crumbed BP because I figured that it's going to be really helpful nightkill-wise later into the game, which it's going to me.

Also, should probably also note that Pisskop said that I won't know when one of my shots is used up.

The ideal time to say BP is after you are shot. Not before unless lylo.

[Titus]

I feel duppin, Titus, Boon... team

Aero, Keysor, ank.... team

have no idea on hermit.

Do the role-claims have any effect on your reads?


Does anyone town-read Boonskiies?

Low-activity through-out the game (if you had a PR, I'd understand), but you claimed VT. Motivation? VT's should be the loudest.

Ignoring the first part as that's a question for Kitty (I think).

I don't think anyone is town reading Boon and that's my problem. No one town read dragonspawn, but me (if generous to me) town lynch. Same thing with FB. Ronit too. I voted Kitty because I am pretty damn sure she's scum. I expect resistance from scum there.

Kitty is probably scum. No one claimed double voter. We could go through based on activity levels and find it. DV is 100% scum.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Double Voter VC

Votecount 1.LYNCH

---

Prolapsed Brain

- (11) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze, Dragonspawn, <Vote>, FA_Q2, Bulbazoor, Klingoncelt -

!!LYNCH!!

Dragonspawn

- (4) Sword master, Garmr, Shazam, Annadog40

davesaz

- (1) Radiant Cowbells

Keyser Söze

- (1) mykonian

garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Bellaphant

- (1) Aeronaut

Not Voting:

Kop, Kitty Galore, Prolapsed Brain

---

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

All Votes after post 421 are invalid and will not be counted.

Votecount 2.11

---

davesaz

- (5) Keysor Söze, <vote>, garmr, BlueBloodedToffee, Aeronaut, Bulbazoor

garmr

- (3) Dragonspawn, Boonskiies, davesaz

Kop

- (1) Titus

BlueBloodedToffee

- (1) FA_Q2

Dragonspawn

- (1) duppin

Aeronaut

- (1) Shazam

FA_Q2

- (1) Radiant Cowbells

Titus

- (1) Kitty Galore

*adding the vote to this Vc was easier than deleting the flavor from dave's lynch

Not Voting:

Ankamius, Kop, TheDominator37

---

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 17AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-17 12:00:00)

Seeking replacement for Kop

Votecount 3.LYNCH

---

ronit

- (8) garmr, SaintConstantinetheHermit, FA_Q2, Aeronaut, Firebringer, Ankamius, BlueBloodedToffee, <vote>

SaintConstantinetheHermit

- (3) ronit, Bulbazoor, Shazam

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, Titus, duppin

---

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 01SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-01 13:00:00)

Votecount 4.LYNCH

---

Firebringer

- (7) Aeronaut, BlueBloodedToffee, garmr, Ankamius, Kitty Galore, FA_Q2, <Vote>

Aeronaut

- (3) Titus, Firebringer, St Constantine the Hermit

Kitty Galore

- (1), Boonskies

Not Voting:

Keyser Söze, duppin

---

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is 09SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-09 14:00:00)

The pressure began to seep in from all sides. Every living member of the biodome was subject to harsh scrutiny, and all of their unmentionables were aired in an attempt to flush out the anti-establishment terrorists. While some handle stress better than others, few noticed the signs of Firebringers imminent sanp incoming.

Just a good ole boy, Fire never meant no harm. He did his best to repsect his comrades and always tried to take the heaviest loads off the shoulders of others so that they might accept him. Lately nobody trusted each other enough for that, however, and perhaps worse, he was kept up the past few nights and interrigated about his somewhat radical belief in self-honesty and political whathow. Standing watch was the last thing he should have been doing. Really, those 12 hours were much better served sleeping or really anything that wasn't mindless minutiae.

Whatever the cause, when Fire started seeing the warning and safety pictures move it was probably a sign to get help; but being the caring person he was he could only try to bear it as it overwhelmed him

Firebringer,

[Town] Citizen

, was Lynched Day 04!

Night 04 begins now. Send in your actions
Deadline is 05SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-05 19:00:00)

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I crumbed BP because I figured that it's going to be really helpful nightkill-wise later into the game, which it's going to me.

Also, should probably also note that Pisskop said that I won't know when one of my shots is used up.

The ideal time to say BP is after you are shot. Not before unless lylo.

We're role claiming. And it's safe to assume we're in LYLO at this point, so....

I meant crumbling BP after shot there. Sorry for not being clear.

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Titus, you're factoring the double vote into your VCA, right?

I can't directly because we don't know who it is. Yet by matching activity, we might be able to determine a time profile of the DV.

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I think the DV balances the one shot cop joat but Ank and Aero do have a point.

Yet why would scum have a cop if they are the only ones it would be positive to. Would scum joat really balance a DV?


@Aero, if there's a missing kill, that's when I would have. If scum did not shoot you, then they likely shot other scum.

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If we legitimately have two scumteams, then they're both pretty awful for never having once flipped the other with nightkills.

Either way, giving a shit about two scumteams right now is meaningless and basing analysis on it is even worse.

Ank, if there's only one scumteams then my entire VCA is total shit.

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Not really when scum have a cop. Everyone had the same assumption.

I find it odd when I question tracking the DV, you're thinking single scumteam but said nothing during my vca statement (saying I was stating my vca required the assumption of two scumteams).

Second, my vca looks at taking into account what scum are thinking and doing at any given time. A single scum with SK approaches this game very differently than multi scum teams.

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I think the DV balances the one shot cop joat but Ank and Aero do have a point.

Yet why would scum have a cop if they are the only ones it would be positive to. Would scum joat really balance a DV?

Can you not investigate an SK?

@Aero, if there's a missing kill, that's when I would have. If scum did not shoot you, then they likely shot other scum.

Will keep in mind. Idk, I never know when to crumb stuff.

Check the wiki for cop. It generally gets positives for mafia only but some mods require SKs to be invest immune for cops not to hit them.

Would an SK show as guilty or innocent to a cop check?

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I find it odd when I question tracking the DV, you're thinking single scumteam but said nothing during my vca statement (saying I was stating my vca required the assumption of two scumteams).

I did. I think I literally said "Why are we assuming that it's two scum teams"

That was to Ank.

I recalled you saying it.

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Ok, I have a rather straightforward question to ask of all of you.

@Everyone What do you think of SCtH right now, and his slot during the game. Is he town, is he scum, and why?

I'd like an answer from everyone before we do anything. This is important to me.

Single scum, he has the inuyasha problem. Everyone died who suspected him. Multiscum, I would expect one team to suspect him. Yet that didn't happen, so I am a little perplexed.

Yet, he"s an easy Mislynch bait as town and people do not like him.

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Thoughts on Kitty.

Argh I have to redo my vca now that single ball is viable.

VOTE: unvote

I still think Kitty is scum but it is likely best to wait until my vca is done before committing to be certain.

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2351 I mean to ask Aero for his thoughts on Kitty.

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Not really when scum have a cop. Everyone had the same assumption.

I find it odd when I question tracking the DV, you're thinking single scumteam but said nothing during my vca statement (saying I was stating my vca required the assumption of two scumteams).

Second, my vca looks at taking into account what scum are thinking and doing at any given time. A single scum with SK approaches this game very differently than multi scum teams.

I probably just didn't notice the first time. It would've been more obvious to me if you had shown your work like I asked.

I did. My whole VCA has two teams in it. It's like you never read it or my other posts. :/

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Right now, based on my initial searches of timestamps, I think Kitty is the double voter.

The first vote it the one that I find the most telling. It occurred right after she was prodded. The two votes prior were placed back to back. Kitty posting during that timeframe places her as active. From my jist, the time's not awkward for Kitty to be posting at that time.

Anyone else thoughts on finding our unclaimed double voter based on timestamps?

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KG, stalling? Well I happen to be out/modding today so we'll see.

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Hermit doesn't change much. He still has the everyone who suspects him dies problem.

Boon I am less inclined to think is scum given his lylo performance today being better than before and I suspect that he wouldn't be so close to Dave as lurking scum. Could Boon do better? Of course. Is he a solid townread, no but he's not a solid scumread either. Boon jumps to null if single plus SK.

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VOTE: Kitty Galore

Kitty's ignored many of my posts she was supposed to respond to and is hoping a vote on Boon would make her look better to Keysor. For applying pressure to me, that's not applying pressure when you sling mud and ignore the other person talking. She's ignored my VCA entirely (after complaining she never saw the work) and is now ignoring my assertion that she is the double voter.

She's trying to fake like she's town. Seriously, no town puts a dead guy in their reads list when catching up. This is the second funny reads from KG. Not much has changed either.

KG isn't town.

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Seriously, no town puts a dead guy in their reads list when catching up. This is the second funny reads from KG.

I don't understand the reasoning behind this.

Check out KG's last readwall. She's talking about how Dragonspawn is town. We already lynched Dragonspawn on day 4 (well technically we lynched ronit but still). It's the only time she really goes into any explanation whatsoever. She says that she's nullreading you for your vote, but no explanation. Hell, most of the game was on a wrong wagon at some point or another. Merely being on the wrong wagon shouldn't be enough for a nullread. Her focus here on Dragon is awkward and out of place. If this was truly about the votes, then she'd be elaborating on why your vote in particular was bad. She isn't. She wants to have a nice out regardless of which of you or Boon is lynched.

It's also inconsistent with her "catching up". She's saying "thanks for the questions" but she doesn't have time to respond. Then her post doesn't really address them. The closest she comes is quoting Keysor's complaint about VT's supposedly being the loudest and leading discussion. She just side swipes that away though while ignoring the questions I have raised.

If this is indeed lylo, then she should be defensive. Early in the game, yeah the number of town aren't important. Scum have less to fear because they have a built in stack of people to defend them. Town should be answering every allegation and every question.

Here, Kitty Galore seems to be implicitly acknowledging this ("thanks for the questions") but doing nothing to actually progress the game beyond covering her ass on whichever (Ank or Boonskiies gets lynched). That's even better for her if both Ank and Boonskiies are town like the lynch that happened in Organic Chemistry.


@Hermit, Either a) you're killing people who suspect you or scum are doing that to frame you.

My most frustrating game came when I was in a hydra with PV, we called the entire scumteam. They lynched us. Then everyone who voted for the scum died the following night. I'm particularly sensitive to that pattern of everyone suspecting someone and winding up dead.

It's also well established that I do indeed stall on providing VCA as scum. My VCA is larges has at least an 80% success rate.

I did post my prior VCA analysis assuming multigroup scum. I haven't done it with single scum yet. I also will have to do it under the presumption that Keysor is town because of the fact that I don't think the mod would give scum 1.5 kpn as long as an even night vig was alive.

I've been dealing with house issues and VCA is a high priority but modding and the newbie game must come first.

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Boon, why should I vote Ank? Why have you ignored my posting on Kitty?

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Ank, what do you think of Kitty? Great you think I am town but right now we can't afford a mistake. So if you're town and your single scumteam theory is right, we need analysis.

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Boon, you still haven't answered why I should vote for Ank.

Ank, as if your normal scumreads have turned out, maybe it's time to think a little differently.

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Titus - Do you even have any other scum reads, or is it just easier to push a lynch on me. I haven't seen you really do much of anything else.

I do have other scumreads. Anyone reading at this point also knows I scumread Hermit.

I am pushing you because you're my biggest scumread. It hasn't been "easy" pushing you as no one is voting you.

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@Ank,

Firebringer and ronit didn't exactly work out and they were scumreads that were scumread by everyone and I couldn't prove them town and they were scumreads by most everyone alive.

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Tentative VCA single ball

Assumes Keysor and I are town.

Duppin and Boon are not both scum with Dave due to proximity of votes to Dave (need to verify no removal of votes). Likely neither but given Boon early play not ruling him out.

Duppin only possible scum on Garmr 2.05
Aeronaut/duppin possible bussers
Hermit/Boon on Garmr at end
Hermit only possible scum on BBT
Aeronaut, Hermit, Ank on D3
Aero Kitty Ank were on D4

Garmr is a highly town lead mislynch. Hermit slot's lack of activity and constantly being on the wrong wagons (D2 + D3) looks like scum being along for the ride.

Kitty avoided the D2 major wagons at the end, instead made busiwork by pushing on known town D2 (FMPOV).

Duppin avoided all the shitty wagons at the end but his activity has also dropped. We've been mislynching, so is frustrated apathy to blame here? Role suggests town.

Aeronaut has a perfect SK role (twice bulletproof) but it has been town before, see Hilariously unbalanced. Aero has been vocal and on almost all the lynches but is now silent in lylo. Matches a scum or SK profile.

Hermit had an InuYasha problem (all who suspected him died but for me)

Ank still caring posting, responding and analyzing suggests town or at least not groupscum. Minorly concerned about the postulation of singlescum (did he already know?) Yet, he's my biggest townread ATM.

If we presume single scum, there can be no more than 4 currently alive.

8 alive, 4 scum requires bussing or the best that could happen is everyone loses. So I am going with 3 scum, 4 town plus SK.

Town
Me
Keysor
Ank (play)/Duppin(role)
Aero/Boon tie
Hermit
Kitty
Scum

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*Forgot the rest of Kitty

She has textbook double voter timing presence, was on during Day 4 and OK with that lynch, yet brings up stale reads to push me. She's hyper secure in surviving ATM.

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Please challenge both VCAs as I am not feeling well but needed to do them.

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Why Boonskiies?

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@Aero, To deduce Kitty was the likely double voter, I looked at the timing of the double votes.

The double voter (presumption) must be active to cast the vote. On day 1, there's a narrow window of time the double vote could have been placed.

It has to be after Dragonspawn in 391 but before FAQ2 in 393.

We look at who was posting then we have BBT, Shazam, The Cow, and Dragon. The Cow is a stretch because he's several hours late.

Kitty just got a prod from the mod and shooting off a double vote right there is plausible.

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Key, who did you shoot last night?

FA_Q2

That makes more sense as a BBT shot.

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I'm willing to lynch Hermit, but I would much rather lynch Kitty right now.

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@Aero, To deduce Kitty was the likely double voter, I looked at the timing of the double votes.

The double voter (presumption) must be active to cast the vote. On day 1, there's a narrow window of time the double vote could have been placed.

It has to be after Dragonspawn in 391 but before FAQ2 in 393.

We look at who was posting then we have BBT, Shazam, The Cow, and Dragon. The Cow is a stretch because he's several hours late.

Kitty just got a prod from the mod and shooting off a double vote right there is plausible.

Some of, if not all of those names are cleared because they died and the double votes continued.

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Sorry Keysor, I haven't been feeling well. I wasn't meaning to doubtcast you. I just forgot last night was even. I haven't been feeling well.

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Plus I expected FAQ2 to die by BBT for awhile.

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2327, I have seen DV be town and not town. The fact is no one claimed it, therefore its not town.

Multigroup scum is somewhat common in larges. Just pull a sample of large themes.

Will read the rest later. Work and bed.

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Umm yeah no. Performer your biggest townreads doesn't morph into your biggest scumread solely after you're asked to explain. If you were town and that fluke happened, you would explain post by post how that read happened.

VOTE: Performer

Aero, help me tomorrow with Kitty (assuming the game continues which it should). She has avoided responding to any sort of case on her and is prod dodging her suspicion away. I thought about being stubborn and just voting the larger of the two but possible lylo isn't the place for that.

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Ank, if you feel it's four scum plus SK left, the only move is NL as scum won't bus.
Then scum shoot Keysor (duh).
SK has to shoot scum.

3 v 2 v 1.

SK shoots scum. Scum shoot SK.

Then 2 v 1 lylo for town.

If scum shoot town in that last spot, then we have to nl again and hope for crosskill.


If it's 3 scum plus SK, we have to get all the town plus the SK to agree on a lynch.

If you're town reading me and Aero, that means your lynch pool is smaller. I want Kitty preferably and Hermit as a secondary.

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Derp I think my math is off to four scum.

3 scum v 2 town v 1 SK.

Then means 2 scum v 2 town

Yeah town cannot win if four scum alive ATM.

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I'm talking about 4-scum total including davesaz, btw.

So 3 alive then.

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If you think 3 alive, then the fact remains all the town must agree on a lynch.

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I am including SK.

8 alive
Remove 3 scum (assumes no bussing)

5 left to vote scum.
At 8 alive, 5 required to lynch.

If we want to keep control of our destiny, we must lynch scum today.

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So the question is, other than Boon, who do you think is scum? Does Hermit make the list?

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So basically Keysor and I are your sole townreads?

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Duppin you're on and I'm drunk. What is this connection you referenced between me and Dave?

What's your read on Performer/Hermit and Kitty?

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Noooo

Are you scum?