New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)
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Hey folks! Finally off work. Can't wait to play with you all.
VOTE: pisskop
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In post 34, SirCakez wrote:Robster you said the same thing in my Mini Normal as town
Are you town here too?
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In post 36, SirCakez wrote:26-28
I'm still not getting it.
They didn't really say anything other then someone was for certain scum, in a eerily similar way that another player on this forum does.-
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@Mod
My vote was on pisskop not Boonskie.
Either ways UNVOTE:-
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I'm not sure what to think about Robster this game, nor on their death tunnel on Jam.
They're playing with reckless abandonment, way different then the game that just finished that I modded; where GR was Jail Keeper.-
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Meant Boonskie.
Was reading Jam's iso & had them on the mind.-
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I'm not seeing where the wagon is coming from or has footing outside of RVS.
None of Jam's posts thus far have been telling to me. Only real thing of substance was their #48.-
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@Egg That game is Here
@SirCakez I don't know where it came from. Allow me though to flip the question though. Whats right about it so far? What information have you received from the pressure of the wagon?-
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Someone explain the red flags about Jam for me.
I guess I'm not still grasping how that could be a scum tell from them.-
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In post 76, Killthestory wrote:oh shit i forgot this was a thing.
wait let me go look at my role, i havent looked yet lmfao
In post 77, Killthestory wrote:the fuck did i just read
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I like Ness for realizing what my post towards killthestory was, which was just a little reaction prod. A bad one albeit some may think, but it's day one & typically my day one play is pretty eh. Im just trying to get a feel for people in the game.
My post wasn't hardly a joke, but the reaction from Story & SirCakez was pretty interesting in that they felt a strong urge or need to respond to it. Hook, line & sinker which could of easily be opportunistic scum trying to jump on something as minor as a reaction test.
Hey Slandaar. It's been explained by Boonskie (#75) & Egg (#99), & I think I get what they're trying to explain. I think I would compare it to say video mafia which I have more experience in, where a scum is more likely to say "what do you want from me" or something along them lines to appeal to town or to try to seem town after a possible slip or something weird that they've said.-
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In post 104, Killthestory wrote:In post 103, N e s s wrote:In post 100, SirCakez wrote:Ness you know Day 1 posts have lots of value, that "day 1 posts have little merit" argument is bad.
Oh, I forgot to say that early day 1 usually isn't very meritable.
then why are you so defensive
frag if you admit that the reaction shit was shit then clearly the reactions you get will be shit
Not at all. I say albeit some may think it was a bad reaction test. I never said I thought it was bad.
I believe your reaction was a genuine reaction to it, and the reaction was pretty eh.-
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Can we keep the shit posting to a minimum & attempt to solve this game please?-
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In post 119, Something_Smart wrote:I don't like Egg's questions to jam in 66, number 3 in particular is basically, "do you like your role?" which feels like rolefishing disguised as RQS.
I also don't like pisskop's rolefishing in 83 but it reads like a joke, although it was not interpreted that way.
79 felt weak at the time, but it makes sense as a reaction test. I don't think it was obvious however and Ness's reaction in 85 is really bad and opportunistic. And 105 is just bad.
On the other hand Killthestory's reaction felt genuine and read as towny outrage to me. Fragger said in 102 that his reaction was "interesting" and "could be opportunistic scum" but then in 106 says it was "genuine" but then was also "pretty eh". What do you actually mean?
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Scumleans are iraonavp and Ness, and maybe Fragger depending on his response.
As stated in a earlier post of mine, my day one logic is pretty fluctuating. The response was interesting, cause the reaction seemed geuine but also way over the top & over exaggerated; if that makes any sense to anyone else. I think in general right now I'm pretty in between & null on Story.-
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@SirCakes
Was there ever a answer for my question to you in my #69?-
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In post 128, Something_Smart wrote:@Fragger: that's one heck of a wishy-washy response. What's the point of a reaction test if you can't get any reads from it?
@KAAG: there are some good reasons to push Ness, but why push him for unvoting?
Day one is day one. Sorry Something_Smart. I just don't have perfect information like scum would have.
As I said, I'm trying to get a feel for players in the game, & start the sorting process.-
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@Performer
Note: I will not interact with Boonskies unless absolutely necessary. I want to see some improvement from this guy (if he's town this game). Long story.
Hello again Performer. I would like to see a explanation, even if its a small one; of why you've pigeon holed Boonskies in your first post.-
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I gotta say Ira's ISO is pretty funny. 4 posts, two blanket votes & a bland statement.-
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Ira, not sure what your play is just yet; but so far it's been pretty awful & borderline scummy.
I typically don't change my vote & move them around often unless I see something that pings out weird to me.
The post you said that you had 7 posts was untrue, that was actually your 6th post in total according to your ISO. Before that
In post 21, iraonavp wrote:
I think you mean "patience". I do however think you are voting correctly.
VOTE: jam
In post 23, iraonavp wrote:Are you feeling the pressure, jam?
In post 29, iraonavp wrote:In post 27, Golden Robster wrote:let's get this straight
this jam wagon sucks
we need to bandwagon boonskiies
because he is most definitely scum here
Upon what metric does the jam wagon suck?
I don't think Boonskiies has done anything alignment indicative so far, and the jam wagon has FIVE TIMES the number of voters.
In post 30, iraonavp wrote:Furthermore, the jam wagon has Pressure.
In post 153, iraonavp wrote:Hey, Mafiaturtle. How are you going to Pressure jam if you aren't voting him?
Most of your ISO consists of a half-hearted attempt to make it look like you're scum hunting on Jam. You are pushing hard for this wagon until you change your vote with a naked vote on myself. After which I think it's weird that you call out Mafiaturtle about pressuring Jam if they're not voting them, when you were one of the main proprietors of the Jam wagon originally and lay a naked vote on me.
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The quotes from you beg to differ though.-
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Im wondering if we're just going to continue to let Robster shit post the entire game & get a free pass for it.
"Cause he can read minds" isn't very concrete evidence with how much you've thrown votes around.-
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Irao sorry my vote stays on you, hence I think you're the most scummy person so far in this game.
Your posts contradict what you're saying compared to what you're actually doing. A pretty notable scum trait.-
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Right now I would have to say Irao & Golden Robster are in my preliminary scum pool.
I'll ISO Ness & see what I can derive from the interactions with them & others. Originally I didn't want to address it cause I wanted to see if the interactions between Ness & KAAG were organic. It could very well be a instance of TvT.-
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@Irao
Quote posts in which I make "a half-hearted attempt to make it look like I'm scum hunting".
In post 23, iraonavp wrote:Are you feeling the pressure, jam?
Upon what metric does the jam wagon suck?
I don't think Boonskiies has done anything alignment indicative so far, and the jam wagon has FIVE TIMES the number of voters
Quote posts in which I am "pushing hard for this wagon".
See above as well as you keep mentioning them here.
In post 30, iraonavp wrote:Furthermore, the jam wagon has Pressure.
Which to me shows that you're still fully interested & involved with the wagon, while most of everyone else that was on it either went AFK after their vote, or have tried to scum hunt elsewhere & progress the game further.
Quote posts in which I "call out Mafiaturtle".
In post 153, iraonavp wrote:Hey, Mafiaturtle. How are you going to Pressure jam if you aren't voting him?
You called Mafiaturtle out for not putting their vote on Jam if they were going to pressure, even though your vote at the time was freshly on me when you naked voted me. It seems like either A. You're trying to get town to do the dirty work for you in getting a mislynch or B. There's this odd & weird world that I'll have to wait to see interactions between you & Turtle, that you're scum buddies together.
Also Irao, if you weren't interested in the Jam wagon. Then why did you go out of your way to mention it so many times?-
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In post 202, iraonavp wrote:In post 200, Fraggernaut wrote:Right now I would have to say Irao & Golden Robster are in my preliminary scum pool.
Why Golden Robster? I have felt a certain sincerity in his posts.
Hasn't provided anything to town other then shit posts & naked votes. Gives me a slight scum lean on him currently.-
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Also combine that with the fact that I know Golden Robster (from my recently finished game I modded. that they were involved in) is more then capable of providing information to help town & being a town leader.-
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@Irao
Which is your opinion, it's not factual.-
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@Slandaar Sure I could agree to a extent I guess that scum would be more likely to appeal to town to appear town.
@ Golden Robster What's the difference between grasping at straws for a scum pool over you grasping at straws for town reads?
@ Egg I've only seen his town game in a previous game I modded, where Golden Robster was Jail Keeper. In that game he didn't shit post much at all, & towards the end was a key factor in getting town the victory over a scum-sided team which also included pisskop. This game has been so much different then the game I modded where Robster provided town good information as well as good logic. This game, he's provided none of that nor has tried to lead town which makes me wonder heavily about them.-
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True. Typically I don't like using META to try to discern alignment. META is too easily manipulated. I was only stating that this isn't what I've seen Golden Robster do as town, so it seems pretty weird to me.-
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Also the Ness V/LA did come at a pretty convenient time, but I don't know if that's alingment indicative-
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In post 241, Egg wrote:Nah meta is fine in general. I'm just not sure it applies here.
Are we seriously questioning the legitimacy of a V/LA?
It's just odd that they've gone V/LA when their wagon was picking up, & then are online hours later when they cited a school project as the reason for needing a V/LA for 48 hours. I think in this instance you kind of have to take a look at it. I've seen scum before in games I read use V/LA to avoid pressure or to avoid being a late day lynch.
Pedit: Now the replacement doesn't make things any better.-
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I believe this pressure has to happen now
VOTE: Ness-
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If it's actually mod killable & it hasn't happen then
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Well there's a wagon on them, so I guess we'll have to wait for the replacement to get anything from them.-
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Don't think I've seen Reubus since my first or second newbie game.
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In post 272, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:Town-leans: GR, Killthestory, Egg, SS
Scum-leans: Ness/Reubus (for now)
Slight scum-reads: Jam
Too many nulls, get involved! Kop, Ilikebugs and Snarky in particular.
Leave me aside: what's wrong with GR? He posts what he likes...seems towny to me.
KAAG what's your read on me?
Also our reads are quite opposite. I need to ISO some people & jump some life back into this game.-
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In post 274, Performer wrote:Here for about the next 30 minutes today, if anyone wants to interact. Been getting busier . Will be posting my catchup on a few things.
@Performer
What do you think of the Jam wagon?
What do you think of the interactions between Ness/Reuben & KAAG?
What's your read on me?
What's your read on Golden Robster & Irao who I've been having a scum lean on?
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VC Please.
Also SirCakez I don't really care about people's particular reads on me. but it got the game moving again from a dead stand still. Nothing was going on so asking questions to both Performer & KAAG sprung some life into the game.
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You posted well enough in that same game I mentioned about Golden Royster, that you were also in as scum and posted quite a bit. It's not out of range of your scum play pisskop.-
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In post 335, pisskop wrote:thats not what i asked
You asked
"If I was scum would I be posting?"
Explain then if there is some other meaning behind this question.-
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I answered it in my #333. How could you possibly miss it when it was only a few posts before this one.-
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In post 337, pisskop wrote:I dont think that will progress the game, but I do think youre kinda flirting with scumread
Perfect RC answer pisskop. Gratz-
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In post 350, Slandaar wrote:In post 333, Fraggernaut wrote:@Mod
VC Please.
Also SirCakez I don't really care about people's particular reads on me. but it got the game moving again from a dead stand still. Nothing was going on so asking questions to both Performer & KAAG sprung some life into the game.
VOTE: Iraonavp
What is this Fragger?
Iraon is town.
Why are you voting him?
I was the original vote on Iraonavp.
My questioning is in my ISO. Did you miss our interactions?-
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Yet yours hasnt...
Those in glass houses...-
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Posting this from my phone
I guess for now I can accept this notion of Jam being newb town more then newb scum. I was confused on the early day wagon on them. I'm still feeling good on this pressure of ira & Robster is still weird for me.
I like Performer, Egg, & KAAG day one so far.
There's so many nulls & people who are inactive that this game has been harder than most day ones. Maybe it's the number of players in the game.
SirCakez, pisskop, Slandaar, & Something_Smart are notable nulls for me right now.
Also I feel like Something_Smart could possibly be setting up to pocket me later by how they're giving their read on me through multiple posts.
Pedit: I'll have to look at these Creatures interactions tomorrow. With that I'm off to work & won't be available till the morning.-
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Actually one thing
@ Creature
If pisskop asked you to jump off a cliff. Would you do it?-
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Finally off work & posting from my phone
We're not No Lynching. That's a atrocious idea.
Also I don't think Drixx is scum off one joke. His play IMO has been similar to a previous newbie we played together where he was the IC & town.
Ill post more once I'm home & in front of a computer.
Also need more pressure on Iraonavp & inactives.-
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Can someone provide me the tag to make individual posts clickable links? Thanks
Like Kop's #557 & #559, & I feel it's coming from a town viewpoint while explaining why the No Lynch is not happening.
I'm still fairly comfortable with Drixx being closer to my town circle. His play is similar to town play I've seen before from him. On a side note though, I haven't had a chance to experience scum Drixx, so that view may be diluted by that.
It's unfortunate that Robster replaced out, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth for both his & Ness's replacement as the day gets shorter. As for Dripping, I'm liking them so far & they're providing some information during their catchup & openly providing their reads as they go. It doesn't feel like any of their posts were pre-planned before replacing in.
I'm going to ISO both Creature & Reubus to get more on them.
Killthestory early on I was skeptical on. Their reaction to the reaction test I did was pretty eh. I want to believe though that they're town now. I just can't see scum changing their votes this many times on day one. They would draw massive attention on themselves cause it would look like they're trying to get their vote to stick somewhere & they would be pretty obvious.
pisskop hasn't done anything that's giving me a read one way or another, other then giving me a brush off answer in their #337-
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Reubus just seems like he doesn't want to fight a lynch.-
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Iraonavp you're so scummy it hurts.-
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@Slandaar
That's a loaded question, the one about jumping on the no lynch thing. Regardless of my answer you'll be able to spin it & fit it to a certain agenda. Rather I answer yes or no, it won't be alignment indicative.
As for your opinions changing, do you not reevaluate as the game progresses? I've reevaluated on a few people. Just because I still believe Ira is scummy as hell, doesn't make me wrong. That's my opinion. I'm allowed to be wrong, that's the game of Mafia.
Just as such, how you're wrong for a second time on my alignment; as you were the previous game we played together where you deah tunneled me. Both games I've been town, and your read on me has proven to be bad. I don't fault you for that, cause that's your opinion & you're allowed to be wrong. Drixx has played similar to what I've seen before as town, so I'm currently reading him slight town for it.
Regardless, I've came to take your opinion & reads Slandaar with a grain of salt.-
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Why would I care about my appearance? I know I'm town based off the Role PM I received. Doesn't mean I have to allow a precedent of allowing Slandaar to ask loaded questions just so he can twist it up. Anyone else in the game saw I didn't attempt to jump on the no lynch subject cause I would of kept harping on it.-
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I'll post more later.
I'm literally so tired that I parked my car & reached for my keys in the ignition & dozed off.-
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I've noticed most of iraonvp's votes have came off OMGUS.-
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The thing about Reubus that I find weird, is that he's not even attempting to fight a potential lynch, as I've stated before. I can't tell if this is just a town who claimed VT & just wants to die, or scum who knows they're caught & are already giving up. I'm more apt to think that Reubus is town, cause I feel like scum would at least put in some kind of effort to fight their potential lynch.-
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I didn't see anything that damning about Creature at first other then his "two stones one scum" comment in his #443. He voted on Drixx with that post, which I think is wrong & also went off to spew SirCakez as well in later posts. His #473 to me though felt like he was flailing a little bit, as he tried to push the attention off of themselves onto GuyFawkes. As well as he tried to push scum onto Kop & KAAG in his #475. The only seasonable reasoning I seen Creature provide was their #485, where they mention about how it is possibly a scum driven wagon; due to all the people who quickly parked their vote on Creature, & disappeared. Unfortunately Creature replaced out so we won't get to see the full force of the pressure on them, & will have to wait on their replacement to do something productive, as well as answer for Creature's sins.-
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I still wanna hear more from GuyFawkes, Ozgin, Snarky, & Boonskiies . Four days removed from deadline & they haven't provided much if anything.-
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How is any of this helping at this moment when the deadline is fast approaching?-
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In post 759, Killthestory wrote:In post 757, Fraggernaut wrote:How is any of this helping at this moment when the deadline is fast approaching?
shut your mouth
Nah Im good. Im more interested in solving this game then listening to you two bicker. Rather not have to make a last second dash at days end.-
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Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.
VOTE: Reubus Swagrid-
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