New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

Fraggernaut · Post Post #31 (isolation #0) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:47 am

Hey folks! Finally off work. Can't wait to play with you all.

VOTE: pisskop

Heya buddy.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #35 (isolation #1) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:12 am

In post 34, SirCakez wrote:Robster you said the same thing in my Mini Normal as town
Are you town here too?

Which one of Robster's posts are you referring to?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #39 (isolation #2) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:27 am

In post 36, SirCakez wrote:26-28

I'm still not getting it.

They didn't really say anything other then someone was for certain scum, in a eerily similar way that another player on this forum does.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #58 (isolation #3) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:06 am

@Mod

My vote was on pisskop not Boonskie.

Either ways UNVOTE:

Fraggernaut · Post Post #59 (isolation #4) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:14 am

I'm not sure what to think about Robster this game, nor on their death tunnel on Jam.

They're playing with reckless abandonment, way different then the game that just finished that I modded; where GR was Jail Keeper.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #63 (isolation #5) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:28 am

Meant Boonskie.

Was reading Jam's iso & had them on the mind.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #65 (isolation #6) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:37 am

I'm not seeing where the wagon is coming from or has footing outside of RVS.

None of Jam's posts thus far have been telling to me. Only real thing of substance was their #48.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #69 (isolation #7) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:13 am

@Egg That game is Here

@SirCakez I don't know where it came from. Allow me though to flip the question though. Whats right about it so far? What information have you received from the pressure of the wagon?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #74 (isolation #8) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:19 am

Someone explain the red flags about Jam for me.

I guess I'm not still grasping how that could be a scum tell from them.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #79 (isolation #9) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:43 am

In post 76, Killthestory wrote:oh shit i forgot this was a thing.

wait let me go look at my role, i havent looked yet lmfao

In post 77, Killthestory wrote:the fuck did i just read

This seems rather fake.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #102 (isolation #10) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:30 pm

I like Ness for realizing what my post towards killthestory was, which was just a little reaction prod. A bad one albeit some may think, but it's day one & typically my day one play is pretty eh. Im just trying to get a feel for people in the game.

My post wasn't hardly a joke, but the reaction from Story & SirCakez was pretty interesting in that they felt a strong urge or need to respond to it. Hook, line & sinker which could of easily be opportunistic scum trying to jump on something as minor as a reaction test.

In post 89, Slandaar wrote:
In post 79, Fraggernaut wrote:
This seems rather fake.

I am interested to know your opinion on the 'red flags' explanation.

Hey Slandaar. It's been explained by Boonskie (#75) & Egg (#99), & I think I get what they're trying to explain. I think I would compare it to say video mafia which I have more experience in, where a scum is more likely to say "what do you want from me" or something along them lines to appeal to town or to try to seem town after a possible slip or something weird that they've said.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #106 (isolation #11) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:40 pm

In post 104, Killthestory wrote:
In post 103, N e s s wrote:
In post 100, SirCakez wrote:Ness you know Day 1 posts have lots of value, that "day 1 posts have little merit" argument is bad.

Oh, I forgot to say that early day 1 usually isn't very meritable.

then why are you so defensive

frag if you admit that the reaction shit was shit then clearly the reactions you get will be shit

Not at all. I say albeit some may think it was a bad reaction test. I never said I thought it was bad.

I believe your reaction was a genuine reaction to it, and the reaction was pretty eh.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #114 (isolation #12) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:52 pm

Can we keep the shit posting to a minimum & attempt to solve this game please?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #124 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:33 pm

In post 119, Something_Smart wrote:I don't like Egg's questions to jam in 66, number 3 in particular is basically, "do you like your role?" which feels like rolefishing disguised as RQS.
I also don't like pisskop's rolefishing in 83 but it reads like a joke, although it was not interpreted that way.

79 felt weak at the time, but it makes sense as a reaction test. I don't think it was obvious however and Ness's reaction in 85 is really bad and opportunistic. And 105 is just bad.

On the other hand Killthestory's reaction felt genuine and read as towny outrage to me. Fragger said in 102 that his reaction was "interesting" and "could be opportunistic scum" but then in 106 says it was "genuine" but then was also "pretty eh". What do you actually mean?

UNVOTE:

Scumleans are iraonavp and Ness, and maybe Fragger depending on his response.

As stated in a earlier post of mine, my day one logic is pretty fluctuating. The response was interesting, cause the reaction seemed geuine but also way over the top & over exaggerated; if that makes any sense to anyone else. I think in general right now I'm pretty in between & null on Story.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #125 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:34 pm

@SirCakes

Was there ever a answer for my question to you in my #69?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #129 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:40 pm

In post 128, Something_Smart wrote:@Fragger: that's one heck of a wishy-washy response. What's the point of a reaction test if you can't get any reads from it?
@KAAG: there are some good reasons to push Ness, but why push him for unvoting?

Day one is day one. Sorry Something_Smart. I just don't have perfect information like scum would have.

As I said, I'm trying to get a feel for players in the game, & start the sorting process.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #139 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:03 pm

@Performer

Note: I will not interact with Boonskies unless absolutely necessary. I want to see some improvement from this guy (if he's town this game). Long story.

Hello again Performer. I would like to see a explanation, even if its a small one; of why you've pigeon holed Boonskies in your first post.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #147 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:33 pm

I gotta say Ira's ISO is pretty funny. 4 posts, two blanket votes & a bland statement.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #156 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:55 pm

Ira, not sure what your play is just yet; but so far it's been pretty awful & borderline scummy.

I typically don't change my vote & move them around often unless I see something that pings out weird to me.

The post you said that you had 7 posts was untrue, that was actually your 6th post in total according to your ISO. Before that

In post 21, iraonavp wrote:
In post 15, GuyFawkes wrote:
In post 13, jam wrote:Hello. How's it going, all?
NOW DIE SCUM

VOTE: jam

we will lynch scum

all we need is just a little patients

I think you mean "patience". I do however think you are voting correctly.

VOTE: jam

In post 23, iraonavp wrote:Are you feeling the pressure, jam?

In post 29, iraonavp wrote:
In post 27, Golden Robster wrote:let's get this straight

this jam wagon sucks

we need to bandwagon boonskiies

because he is most definitely scum here

Upon what metric does the jam wagon suck?

I don't think Boonskiies has done anything alignment indicative so far, and the jam wagon has FIVE TIMES the number of voters.

In post 30, iraonavp wrote:Furthermore, the jam wagon has Pressure.

In post 140, iraonavp wrote:VOTE: Fraggernaut

In post 153, iraonavp wrote:Hey, Mafiaturtle. How are you going to Pressure jam if you aren't voting him?

Most of your ISO consists of a half-hearted attempt to make it look like you're scum hunting on Jam. You are pushing hard for this wagon until you change your vote with a naked vote on myself. After which I think it's weird that you call out Mafiaturtle about pressuring Jam if they're not voting them, when you were one of the main proprietors of the Jam wagon originally and lay a naked vote on me.

VOTE: iraonavp

Fraggernaut · Post Post #158 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:42 pm

The quotes from you beg to differ though.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #188 (isolation #20) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:10 am

Im wondering if we're just going to continue to let Robster shit post the entire game & get a free pass for it.

"Cause he can read minds" isn't very concrete evidence with how much you've thrown votes around.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #198 (isolation #21) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:42 am

Irao sorry my vote stays on you, hence I think you're the most scummy person so far in this game.

Your posts contradict what you're saying compared to what you're actually doing. A pretty notable scum trait.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #200 (isolation #22) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:46 am

Right now I would have to say Irao & Golden Robster are in my preliminary scum pool.

I'll ISO Ness & see what I can derive from the interactions with them & others. Originally I didn't want to address it cause I wanted to see if the interactions between Ness & KAAG were organic. It could very well be a instance of TvT.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #204 (isolation #23) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:57 am

@Irao

Quote posts in which I make "a half-hearted attempt to make it look like I'm scum hunting".

In post 23, iraonavp wrote:Are you feeling the pressure, jam?

Upon what metric does the jam wagon suck?

I don't think Boonskiies has done anything alignment indicative so far, and the jam wagon has FIVE TIMES the number of voters

Quote posts in which I am "pushing hard for this wagon".

See above as well as you keep mentioning them here.

In post 30, iraonavp wrote:Furthermore, the jam wagon has Pressure.

Which to me shows that you're still fully interested & involved with the wagon, while most of everyone else that was on it either went AFK after their vote, or have tried to scum hunt elsewhere & progress the game further.

Quote posts in which I "call out Mafiaturtle".

In post 153, iraonavp wrote:Hey, Mafiaturtle. How are you going to Pressure jam if you aren't voting him?

You called Mafiaturtle out for not putting their vote on Jam if they were going to pressure, even though your vote at the time was freshly on me when you naked voted me. It seems like either A. You're trying to get town to do the dirty work for you in getting a mislynch or B. There's this odd & weird world that I'll have to wait to see interactions between you & Turtle, that you're scum buddies together.

Also Irao, if you weren't interested in the Jam wagon. Then why did you go out of your way to mention it so many times?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #205 (isolation #24) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:58 am

In post 202, iraonavp wrote:
In post 200, Fraggernaut wrote:Right now I would have to say Irao & Golden Robster are in my preliminary scum pool.

Why Golden Robster? I have felt a certain sincerity in his posts.

Hasn't provided anything to town other then shit posts & naked votes. Gives me a slight scum lean on him currently.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #206 (isolation #25) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:00 am

Also combine that with the fact that I know Golden Robster (from my recently finished game I modded. that they were involved in) is more then capable of providing information to help town & being a town leader.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #212 (isolation #26) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:24 am

@Irao

Which is your opinion, it's not factual.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #225 (isolation #27) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:12 am

@Slandaar Sure I could agree to a extent I guess that scum would be more likely to appeal to town to appear town.

@ Golden Robster What's the difference between grasping at straws for a scum pool over you grasping at straws for town reads?

@ Egg I've only seen his town game in a previous game I modded, where Golden Robster was Jail Keeper. In that game he didn't shit post much at all, & towards the end was a key factor in getting town the victory over a scum-sided team which also included pisskop. This game has been so much different then the game I modded where Robster provided town good information as well as good logic. This game, he's provided none of that nor has tried to lead town which makes me wonder heavily about them.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #238 (isolation #28) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:29 pm

@Egg

True. Typically I don't like using META to try to discern alignment. META is too easily manipulated. I was only stating that this isn't what I've seen Golden Robster do as town, so it seems pretty weird to me.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #239 (isolation #29) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:29 pm

Also the Ness V/LA did come at a pretty convenient time, but I don't know if that's alingment indicative

Fraggernaut · Post Post #244 (isolation #30) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:54 pm

In post 241, Egg wrote:Nah meta is fine in general. I'm just not sure it applies here.

Are we seriously questioning the legitimacy of a V/LA?

It's just odd that they've gone V/LA when their wagon was picking up, & then are online hours later when they cited a school project as the reason for needing a V/LA for 48 hours. I think in this instance you kind of have to take a look at it. I've seen scum before in games I read use V/LA to avoid pressure or to avoid being a late day lynch.

Pedit: Now the replacement doesn't make things any better.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #245 (isolation #31) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:56 pm

I believe this pressure has to happen now

VOTE: Ness

Fraggernaut · Post Post #247 (isolation #32) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:37 pm

If it's actually mod killable & it hasn't happen then

UNVOTE:

Fraggernaut · Post Post #249 (isolation #33) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:42 pm

Well there's a wagon on them, so I guess we'll have to wait for the replacement to get anything from them.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #253 (isolation #34) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:06 pm

Don't think I've seen Reubus since my first or second newbie game.

Hello again.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #273 (isolation #35) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:29 pm

In post 272, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:Town-leans: GR, Killthestory, Egg, SS
Scum-leans: Ness/Reubus (for now)
Slight scum-reads: Jam

Too many nulls, get involved! Kop, Ilikebugs and Snarky in particular.

In post 271, pisskop wrote:
Slight scumread for GR, and KA&G

Leave me aside: what's wrong with GR? He posts what he likes...seems towny to me.

KAAG what's your read on me?

Also our reads are quite opposite. I need to ISO some people & jump some life back into this game.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #275 (isolation #36) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:32 pm

In post 274, Performer wrote:Here for about the next 30 minutes today, if anyone wants to interact. Been getting busier . Will be posting my catchup on a few things.

@Performer

What do you think of the Jam wagon?

What do you think of the interactions between Ness/Reuben & KAAG?

What's your read on me?

What's your read on Golden Robster & Irao who I've been having a scum lean on?

Any other interactions ping out to you?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #278 (isolation #37) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:39 pm

In post 276, Killthestory wrote:VOTE: Frag

Back to this again? *Yawn*

Fraggernaut · Post Post #333 (isolation #38) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:10 am

@Mod

VC Please.

Also SirCakez I don't really care about people's particular reads on me. but it got the game moving again from a dead stand still. Nothing was going on so asking questions to both Performer & KAAG sprung some life into the game.

VOTE: Iraonavp

Fraggernaut · Post Post #334 (isolation #39) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:37 am

In post 283, pisskop wrote:Im pretty easy to read though.

If I were scum, would I be posting?

You posted well enough in that same game I mentioned about Golden Royster, that you were also in as scum and posted quite a bit. It's not out of range of your scum play pisskop.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #336 (isolation #40) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 am

In post 335, pisskop wrote:thats not what i asked

You asked

"If I was scum would I be posting?"

Explain then if there is some other meaning behind this question.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #345 (isolation #41) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:04 am

In post 338, Egg wrote:Did I miss an answer to this:

In post 296, Egg wrote:
Frag, why are you so interested in peoples' reads on you?

?

I answered it in my #333. How could you possibly miss it when it was only a few posts before this one.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #348 (isolation #42) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:37 am

In post 337, pisskop wrote:I dont think that will progress the game, but I do think youre kinda flirting with scumread

Perfect RC answer pisskop. Gratz

Fraggernaut · Post Post #351 (isolation #43) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:34 am

In post 350, Slandaar wrote:
In post 333, Fraggernaut wrote:
@Mod

VC Please.

Also SirCakez I don't really care about people's particular reads on me. but it got the game moving again from a dead stand still. Nothing was going on so asking questions to both Performer & KAAG sprung some life into the game.

VOTE: Iraonavp

What is this Fragger?

Iraon is town.

Why are you voting him?

I was the original vote on Iraonavp.

My questioning is in my ISO. Did you miss our interactions?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #353 (isolation #44) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:22 am

Yet yours hasnt...

Those in glass houses...

Fraggernaut · Post Post #369 (isolation #45) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:28 am

Posting this from my phone

I guess for now I can accept this notion of Jam being newb town more then newb scum. I was confused on the early day wagon on them. I'm still feeling good on this pressure of ira & Robster is still weird for me.

I like Performer, Egg, & KAAG day one so far.

There's so many nulls & people who are inactive that this game has been harder than most day ones. Maybe it's the number of players in the game.

SirCakez, pisskop, Slandaar, & Something_Smart are notable nulls for me right now.

Also I feel like Something_Smart could possibly be setting up to pocket me later by how they're giving their read on me through multiple posts.

Pedit: I'll have to look at these Creatures interactions tomorrow. With that I'm off to work & won't be available till the morning.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #370 (isolation #46) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:29 am

Actually one thing

@ Creature

If pisskop asked you to jump off a cliff. Would you do it?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #515 (isolation #47) » Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:54 pm

Finally off work & posting from my phone

We're not No Lynching. That's a atrocious idea.

Also I don't think Drixx is scum off one joke. His play IMO has been similar to a previous newbie we played together where he was the IC & town.

Ill post more once I'm home & in front of a computer.

Also need more pressure on Iraonavp & inactives.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #603 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:34 pm

Can someone provide me the tag to make individual posts clickable links? Thanks

Like Kop's #557 & #559, & I feel it's coming from a town viewpoint while explaining why the No Lynch is not happening.

I'm still fairly comfortable with Drixx being closer to my town circle. His play is similar to town play I've seen before from him. On a side note though, I haven't had a chance to experience scum Drixx, so that view may be diluted by that.

It's unfortunate that Robster replaced out, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth for both his & Ness's replacement as the day gets shorter. As for Dripping, I'm liking them so far & they're providing some information during their catchup & openly providing their reads as they go. It doesn't feel like any of their posts were pre-planned before replacing in.

I'm going to ISO both Creature & Reubus to get more on them.

Killthestory early on I was skeptical on. Their reaction to the reaction test I did was pretty eh. I want to believe though that they're town now. I just can't see scum changing their votes this many times on day one. They would draw massive attention on themselves cause it would look like they're trying to get their vote to stick somewhere & they would be pretty obvious.

pisskop hasn't done anything that's giving me a read one way or another, other then giving me a brush off answer in their #337

Fraggernaut · Post Post #606 (isolation #49) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:28 pm

Reubus just seems like he doesn't want to fight a lynch.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #621 (isolation #50) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:41 pm

Iraonavp you're so scummy it hurts.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #633 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:23 am

@Slandaar

That's a loaded question, the one about jumping on the no lynch thing. Regardless of my answer you'll be able to spin it & fit it to a certain agenda. Rather I answer yes or no, it won't be alignment indicative.

As for your opinions changing, do you not reevaluate as the game progresses? I've reevaluated on a few people. Just because I still believe Ira is scummy as hell, doesn't make me wrong. That's my opinion. I'm allowed to be wrong, that's the game of Mafia.

Just as such, how you're wrong for a second time on my alignment; as you were the previous game we played together where you deah tunneled me. Both games I've been town, and your read on me has proven to be bad. I don't fault you for that, cause that's your opinion & you're allowed to be wrong. Drixx has played similar to what I've seen before as town, so I'm currently reading him slight town for it.

Regardless, I've came to take your opinion & reads Slandaar with a grain of salt.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #669 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:34 pm

Why would I care about my appearance? I know I'm town based off the Role PM I received. Doesn't mean I have to allow a precedent of allowing Slandaar to ask loaded questions just so he can twist it up. Anyone else in the game saw I didn't attempt to jump on the no lynch subject cause I would of kept harping on it.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #670 (isolation #53) » Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:26 am

I'll post more later.

I'm literally so tired that I parked my car & reached for my keys in the ignition & dozed off.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #723 (isolation #54) » Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:11 am

I've noticed most of iraonvp's votes have came off OMGUS.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #724 (isolation #55) » Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:16 am

The thing about Reubus that I find weird, is that he's not even attempting to fight a potential lynch, as I've stated before. I can't tell if this is just a town who claimed VT & just wants to die, or scum who knows they're caught & are already giving up. I'm more apt to think that Reubus is town, cause I feel like scum would at least put in some kind of effort to fight their potential lynch.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #725 (isolation #56) » Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:32 am

I didn't see anything that damning about Creature at first other then his "two stones one scum" comment in his #443. He voted on Drixx with that post, which I think is wrong & also went off to spew SirCakez as well in later posts. His #473 to me though felt like he was flailing a little bit, as he tried to push the attention off of themselves onto GuyFawkes. As well as he tried to push scum onto Kop & KAAG in his #475. The only seasonable reasoning I seen Creature provide was their #485, where they mention about how it is possibly a scum driven wagon; due to all the people who quickly parked their vote on Creature, & disappeared. Unfortunately Creature replaced out so we won't get to see the full force of the pressure on them, & will have to wait on their replacement to do something productive, as well as answer for Creature's sins.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #732 (isolation #57) » Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:06 am

I still wanna hear more from GuyFawkes, Ozgin, Snarky, & Boonskiies . Four days removed from deadline & they haven't provided much if anything.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #757 (isolation #58) » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:17 pm

How is any of this helping at this moment when the deadline is fast approaching?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #762 (isolation #59) » Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:07 pm

In post 759, Killthestory wrote:
In post 757, Fraggernaut wrote:How is any of this helping at this moment when the deadline is fast approaching?

shut your mouth

Nah Im good. Im more interested in solving this game then listening to you two bicker. Rather not have to make a last second dash at days end.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #776 (isolation #60) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:11 am

Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.

VOTE: Reubus Swagrid

Fraggernaut · Post Post #777 (isolation #61) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:17 am

That's L2 by the way on Reubus.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #785 (isolation #62) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:06 am

No quick hammer. Let him speak.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #791 (isolation #63) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:58 am

I wanna hear more from Ozgin, either today or tomorrow since they've been lurky as all hell.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #792 (isolation #64) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:59 am

In post 787, SnarkySnowman wrote:I don't agree with this lynch at all.

Who do you agree with then since you haven't gave any reads or any contribution?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #793 (isolation #65) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:01 am

In post 789, Slandaar wrote:Sorry don't feel like posting at the moment.

Reubus lynch is OK. I think he claims PR as scum but I can be wrong on that; was unsure about Ness and Reubus I kind of believe his story but not enough. Prefer Kop/Ozgin/Guy/Fragger/Drixx.

Interestingly enough you want to lynch some of the more active players, but don't have any reasons for Ozgin or Guy.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #797 (isolation #66) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:40 am

Yet Kop has provided more then Guy or Ozgin, a undeniable fact.

Ill be interested to hear them Slandaar. You haven't been right on me yet.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #803 (isolation #67) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:27 am

[float=][/float]

In post 801, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 776, Fraggernaut wrote:Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.

VOTE: Reubus Swagrid

We can vig him. I didn't like his gratuitous power role hint. He's scum, too.

You would be okay vigging a PR? Something seems off about this.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #810 (isolation #68) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:42 am

He meant to vig me from what I take from that , you're still scum iraonvp & probably should buss your partner for the town credit .

Fraggernaut · Post Post #811 (isolation #69) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:42 am

In post 809, Something_Smart wrote:Aristo!
I would be okay with a hammer. I would kind of like Reubus to give some final thoughts or a defense but I doubt that's going to happen.
Ira's last few posts have been really weird and I didn't like the softclaim and I'll have to read him again overnight. I'll also have to reread Fragger, no idea where I stand on that slot.

Didn't you call me scum early in the day?

Seems pretty wishy washy.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #816 (isolation #70) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:47 am

Reread what Dripping said, and I get what they mean now. I would definitely be interested to see a vig shot on Iraonvp.

Would be a great shot.

Also no I never claimed PR. Dropping said they got a PR feel from your post, & I thought they were saying they thought you was a PR.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #819 (isolation #71) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:49 am

In post 815, iraonavp wrote:Hey, Aristophanes!

You should vote Fraggernaut with me. He just slipped that he knows I'm a PR and not scum-aligned, and is currently trying to cover up this with blatant lies.

lol. Flailing scum is flailing.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #822 (isolation #72) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:53 am

We can vig him. I didn't like his gratuitous power role hint. He's scum, too.

Misread that. It's pretty telling though how you're trying to make something out of nothing.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #826 (isolation #73) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:09 am

I never said I believe you're a PR, keep trying to misrep me lol. I'm almost 100% certain you're scum or third party though.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #827 (isolation #74) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:13 am

I also said a shot on you would be a good shot, and one that should be made. Keep trying to say that's not what I said though.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #830 (isolation #75) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:49 am

In post 829, Killthestory wrote:So many annoying players

Do you find me annoying?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #831 (isolation #76) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:02 am

I got a mechanics question

Would the correct mechanical play be to unvote Reubus so there can't be a quick hammer before Reubus can get back in time to give us a last defense or reads?

If he decides to come back at all.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #834 (isolation #77) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:23 am

@Mod

Will there be a extension in case of replacements?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #836 (isolation #78) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:49 am

Another question. Would Jester be considered a normal role?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #842 (isolation #79) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:46 pm

Who is talking about PRs? I was asking mechanics quesrions.

Also Snarky I didn't know the answer, ....so way to be a dick.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #849 (isolation #80) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:10 pm

Iraonvp I misread the post. I thought he was calling you a PR then in the same instance saying the vigi should have a shot on you. He wasn't saying that. There should be a vigi shot on you. Simple .

Fraggernaut · Post Post #929 (isolation #81) » Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:04 am

In post 927, SnarkySnowman wrote:No because this lynch is stupid

Yet you haven't provided any reasoning as to why. You've been lurky and post fluffy stuff like this,

Fraggernaut · Post Post #981 (isolation #82) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:55 am

VOTE: Iraonvp

Back to this now .

I don't think GuyFawkes hammer was scum.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #990 (isolation #83) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:35 pm

@GuyFawkes

It was a misread of what they originally said. It happens. It's interesting though that you've came out now to try to push this, when you did practically nothing the first day outside of the hammer. Still reading you town, but it seems mighty opportunistic.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #992 (isolation #84) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:05 pm

In post 991, Egg wrote:Frag, what do you think of the people on the Rubeus wagon?

The people I liked on the wagon was Drixx, KAAG, Dripping, & yourself Egg.

I also was reading Killthestory town towards the end. SirCakez I was alright but not confident on.

Overall there was enough of my town reads on the wagon, so It felt like a very town sided wagon.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1009 (isolation #85) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:00 pm

@Egg

I think there's scum on the wagon , I think its mixed up between early & late votes though. I was unsure of pisskop cause of his brush off to me, but he flipped town. I find Something Smart really weird still. I don't think the GuyFawkes hammer was scummy cause I feel like scum wouldn't of waited that long to jump on a hammer in between the last few votes & the deciding hammer.

I need to look at bugs more.

Need to do some ISOs.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1010 (isolation #86) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:03 pm

@Egg

I have a feeling I'm wrong on maybe one or two of my town reads based off the Reubus wagon .

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1011 (isolation #87) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:35 pm

Would be nice to actually get something out of the lurkers today as well.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1025 (isolation #88) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:03 am

My Ira read & push was already explained in detail day one.

Also I've gave multiple reasons for why I've read Drixx town.

Are you even paying attention this game Something?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1036 (isolation #89) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:14 am

In post 1028, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1025, Fraggernaut wrote:My Ira read & push was already explained in detail day one.

Also I've gave multiple reasons for why I've read Drixx town.

Are you even paying attention this game Something?

Yes, I am. Your last post sorting Drixx was 633. Are you just calling him town without analyzing anything he's done since then?

Your last post sorting Ira was 723, and that was just to say he OMGUS'ed a lot. Do you have any other reasons?

Ira hasn't done anything Day two to make me think otherwise that he isn't scum or maybe even third party. I don't buy his claim at all. Why would you do what he did when his wagon wasn't the lead?

As for Drixx I will have to look at his day two. I thought his day one was solid & Towny.

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:57 pm

In post 1040, SnarkySnowman wrote:I actually think I like the Fragger wagon.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

Meh. You've been wrong on me before.

Snarky do you have any reads? So far you've just laid down votes.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1043 (isolation #91) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:09 pm

In post 1039, iraonavp wrote:
In post 1025, Fraggernaut wrote:Also I've gave multiple reasons for why I've read Drixx town.

You stated multiple times that you were reading Drixx as town-aligned based on meta. Is there no more behind this belief?

The things he's said hasn't came from a scum perspective in my opinion. The joke was just a joke. I had a strong sense of Town versus Town when it came to the interactions between Drixx & Killthestory which made me comfortable with the wagon on Reubus. He constantly was trying to get Reubus to provide some kind of information that might help town if he was town, but Rebus wouldn't budge; I thought it was a very towny thing of Drixx to do. He provides more reasoning & logic in his #893 which I agreed with as well.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1047 (isolation #92) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:43 pm

I had a slight ISO on Something_Smart that I just accidentally exited out of.

It's interesting cause Something_Smart has had a change of heart.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1065 (isolation #93) » Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:19 am

Spoiler: Something_Smart

So Fragger is one of those players who does stuff that's hard to understand as town and stuff that's hard to understand as scum, making him overall hard to understand. I do see a lot of town motivation (especially in the ira push) but but he also does some weird things and I really can't figure him out. I have him as null right now, not as in there's not enough to analyze but as in the sum of the positives and negatives is zero. I'll have to wait and see what he does before I can try and get a real read on him.

So you see town motivation from my posts, but are now pushing on me doing a total 360 today? Also how would you know what my scum game looks like, seeing as I haven't had a scum game on this site, including this one? The only META dive you would be able to do, is a town META dive from my previous games. This feels like Something_Smart has more information then town should have, & he knows I'm town but is trying to push for a easy mislynch on me today from people's paranoia.

Also I'll admit that I am a easy mislynch, due to my play. There are several people who started in this game (Slandaar, Performer, pisskop, SirCakez, Drixx ect) that have seen my town play & I got lynched. Guess what? I flipped town every single game.

Also in Something_Smart's #260 spoiler of me, he breaks down most of my posts at the time, & in some way agreed with them, said they were fine, or came from a town perspective. I stated early on that I felt like Something_Smart was going to try to pocket/buddy me as the day continued, instead they've flipped all the way around with the only reasoning being a misread of Dripping's post.

He believed my read of Jam was accurate in my #65 post.

He also liked my push on Ira day one, but is now trying to crucify me for it in my day two.

I had the read on Robster, we agreed on it & then Something_Smart hasn't tried to push on their replacement which is odd.

In your #354 you said you would have to look at my META. If you actually looked it it you would know this is my town play. 100%

Your #809 you say you're going to reread me.

#828 you agree that I misread DGB's post which I did.

All of a sudden in #973 you drop a lame duck vote on me, in a attempt to start a wagon.

Overall Something_Smart has suddenly became so interested in people's reads on me in day two, that they've pretty much forgot about anyone else in the game. It's quite fascinating to see how quickly they've had a change of heart, which I alluded to before.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1066 (isolation #94) » Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:22 am

In post 1053, Egg wrote:Frag, can you give specific examples of where Drixx's Day 1 was "solid"? If you feel you've done this already, point me in that direction.

Bugs, what is your read on Firebringer and Frag?

I went into detail in my #1043 post.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1070 (isolation #95) » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:03 am

I have changed my reads, that's the part I find most amusing Something_Smart. Which brings me back to the point that I don't actually think you're paying attention to the game as much as a town aligned player would.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1071 (isolation #96) » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:06 am

Also if at the end of the day you thought I was SO scummy, why did you let the Reubus lynch go through? You never attempted to join along side Ira on my wagon even though there was plenty of opportunity to do so.

Fraggernaut · Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:16 am

Not even. I find it odd that he was reading Ira so town at the end of the day but waited till now to try to push on me. I called him wishy washy at the end of the day & he never bothered to react to it, as if he was scared or wanted to ignore it in hopes that it went away.

Fraggernaut · Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:21 am

Also my style of play is typically viewed as being defensive. What's new? Scum are going to try to use it to get me mislynched.

Fraggernaut · Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:52 pm

Ozgin that whole wall to say so much but not actually say anything of real substance .

Fraggernaut · Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:03 am

Also I don't understand what Drixx is hoping to accomplish with this whole "idiot ball" logic.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:50 am

Was debating if I was going to V/LA due to a workplace injury I sustained last night, but I'm going to try to keep up with this.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:06 pm

@Mod

Will be going V/LA for a couple of days. The medicine I'm on for my injury has me pretty sedated.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:58 pm

@ Snarky

Lol. Your ISO.

Fraggernaut · Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:50 am

In post 1164, Ilikebugs wrote:OK I dont think GuyFawkes is scum. Other are saying that he is scum because of his lurkiness, but I don't believe that is indicative of alignment.

Unvote: Iraonavp

people arent voting him so I guess Ill jump off for now.

Would you say town is more likely to jump off a wagon or scum are more likely to jump off a wagon cause no one is voting them? That was strange of you to say bugs but I don't know if that necessarily makes you scum.

Fraggernaut · Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:23 pm

Extending my V/LA one more day.

Meds are turning me into a sleepy mess.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:04 am

In post 1221, Ozgin wrote:VLA end "officially" today but I don't feel up-to-par yet so I probably will only keep up with reading and light posting.

I still think Fragger is a good vote, given my case on him that he totally just blew off with the wave of a hand. One day I'll read Drixx's ISO. _{One day.}

Put some actual substance into it & I may actually glance at it.

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:10 am

I need to ISO Aristo & catch up on what I've missed.

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:49 am

This Drixx/Egg interaction is strange.

Feel like I'm missing something here.

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:41 pm

I'm liking Kuro's catch up. As much as they may be annoying I still think Killthestory is town aligned. From personal opinion I don't think their playstyle would be this sporadic as scum. It would be so obvious.

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:53 pm

In post 1312, Killthestory wrote:you need to stop. These suck so much

In actuality they don't.

Care to explain why they suck in your opinion though instead of just saying "they suck" ?

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:22 pm

Spoiler: Aristo

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:22 pm

@Performer Can you link to that SK game? There was two kills last night & I don't wanna leave out any possibility.

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:56 pm

In post 1327, Performer wrote:
In post 1325, Fraggernaut wrote:@Performer Can you link to that SK game? There was two kills last night & I don't wanna leave out any possibility.

@Frag well...those particular sentences in that post, were directed toward those specific 2.

I'm...not sure I'm understanding why you want links to games concerning Kuroi and Yume...unless you are scumreading them?

If they were town, it's also possible to look at the META from them as well. Plus I've never been in a SK game before.

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:00 pm

0-2 since I'm town.

Sucks I'm reading Killthestory town cause I'd policy lynch him for being cancer.

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:09 pm

Frag, pisskop and sircake were the NKs. Snark, Guy, Kop, Firebringer and Boon survived the night. That's no vig. Of course we have a SK.

How did you know I was a NK? That slip though.

VOTE: Egg

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:33 pm

Way I read it was I was included in the list. I can see what you mean now, & yes I agree that there may be a SK.

I'll probably die tonight for bringing it up the first time so no worries.

UNVOTE:

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:35 pm

@Aristo

Any answers to the questions in my ISO of you?

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:40 pm

In post 1360, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1358, Fraggernaut wrote:@Aristo

Any answers to the questions in my ISO of you?
Can I do it in the morning?
I'm le tired atm

If you'll actually do it.

Your ISO is chalk full of you saying you're going to catch up, or give stuff ect & then not following through.

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:44 pm

@Iraonvp

How can you have Snarky so far up when he's done practically nothing?

Also you accepted I could be town in your 1159 yet now I'm at the very bottom of you calling me scum. Then you say KAAG is the one you trust the least, yet I'm still below him. Once again more evidence of you saying things that sound good, but not actually following through with the actions afterwards. This is most definitely a scum trait that I will pursue a lynch on you for.

VOTE: Iraonvp

Fraggernaut · Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:15 pm

No troll. My vote was on you all day yesterday & I compromised voting Reubus because a no-lynch would of been horrible on day one. Then starting on day two I was back on you again .

Fraggernaut · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:10 am

@Aristo

Any update on that content you said you'd give? You should be well rested.

Fraggernaut · Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:32 pm

In post 1436, Aristophanes wrote:@Frag, other than the seeming insistence on referencing Post 9, which is a nothing post, there isn't much that points me towards scum in Creature's Iso. I don't see why he'd be so strongly scumread.

Agreed. The only thing I seen about the Creature slot was the "two scum one stone" comment.

I'd be up to wagon Snarky to at least get something remotely useful out of him. He's playing way differently then the last time we met.

Fraggernaut · Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:44 pm

Let's do it then.

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Fraggernaut · Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:22 am

@KKAG

I'm hoping it'll finally get some information from Snarky so I can sort him. Guy can be next if need be.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:01 am

Took me a whole minute to read Guy's ISO & its pretty bad. Wouldn't mind seeing a wagon at all on them after Snarky.

[Phone Post]

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:34 am

In post 1496, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1495, Fraggernaut wrote:Took me a whole minute to read Guy's ISO & its pretty bad. Wouldn't mind seeing a wagon at all on them after Snarky.

[Phone Post]
Wanna vote Snarky with us then?

I was already on Snarky.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:41 am

@DrippingGoofball

Are you reading both just as scummy as the other? Snarky & Guy that is.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:59 am

Just remembered to go back & look at Kop's ISO again as well, since Aristo replaced that slot.

@Aristo

What do you think of your predecessor's push on Iraonvp in their 622 & 638 ? Also what's your read on them? You haven't had any interactions with them yet so I'm curious.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:35 am

In post 1504, SnarkySnowman wrote:
In post 1492, DrippingGoofball wrote:FB is lynchbait. Not taking the bait.

Wait I'm not lynchbait???

What have you done to constitute being town? You're practically refusing to help solve this game.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:53 am

Sorry Snarky you're not one of the few on this site who can seemingly just say a lynch preference & everyone sheeps them.

We need more from you.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:17 am

I voted Snarky in my 1445 .

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:48 am

Quick question.

Is there any scum or third party roles in a normal that blocks a vote?

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:25 pm

I'm all in for a wagon on Guy, just as soon as Snarky gives us something to work with.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:56 pm

Killthestory you didn't like Kuro's reads in their 1317 or Snarky's 1532 but there are more contrasts then similarities. So who do you like & who do you have as scum in this regards?

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:04 pm

@killthestory

So if you're still reading me scum, why were you so okay with being on a wagon with me?

Though Snarky thinks I'm scum, yet you disagree with their reads. I'm trying to figure you out.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:35 pm

In post 1538, Killthestory wrote:snarky shut the fuck up those reads were so half assed youre looking for any excuse to explain yourself.

@Frag, You literally just said that if I'm reading you as scum, why would I be okay with a wagon on you. That's silly.

Anyway, my reads don't solely revolve around you.

In this instance they kind of do revolve around me, cause I'm questioning the things you said.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:41 pm

@Aristo

Did you see my 1502?

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:07 pm

Meh Killthestory, appeals to emotions don't really work for me.

Fraggernaut · Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:29 pm

Oh Iraonvp don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you.

I wish I had a gun, you would of already been blasted.

Fraggernaut · Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:25 am

There's only two days left & this game has came to a stand still :/

Fraggernaut · Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:55 am

@Drixx Do you think town or scum are more likely to be survivalistic?

Fraggernaut · Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:38 am

@Drixx It was a fair enough assessment.

Fraggernaut · Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:38 am

This pressure wagon on Snarky has got us absolutely no where though.

Fraggernaut · Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:17 pm

@Aristo

What's your read on Iraonvp? No more avoiding this.

Fraggernaut · Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:54 pm

I don't like how iraovp & Snarky are trying to buddy late. Iraovp is trying to claim a town read on Snarky but can't give factual reasons as to why he's reading him town & admitted Snarky has done nothing beneficial for town but doesn't like the wagon. Then Snarky just gives iraovp a free town read for reading him town.

[Phone Piost]

Fraggernaut · Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:06 pm

In post 1596, Aristophanes wrote:Would scumbuddies be so blatant tho?

Doubtful. One is more likely town & the other one is scum trying to pocket. Trying to figure out which way it goes.

Fraggernaut · Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:06 pm

Iraonvp has absolutely no reason to read Snarky town, & basically admitted it after the fact.

Fraggernaut · Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:28 am

@Mod

Is there a replacement yet for Guy? Also will we get a extension since there's less then two days left?

Fraggernaut · Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:34 am

How is Snarky town? He gave some half hearted reads with no content behind them in response to this wagon. In my opinion there'sthe lynch today should be Snarky, Guy's replacement if they don't prove theyre town, Iraovp & maybe KTS

Fraggernaut · Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:19 am

Wait so you rather let a useless slot stay in the game? What happens when that useless slot is around in MYLO or LYLO? Smh Something_Smart. Please try in the future to not say such dumb things. I want to actually win this game. Thanks

Fraggernaut · Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:55 am

In post 1623, Something_Smart wrote:VOTE: Fragger
Let's speedwagon this actually.

Something_Smart outting himself as Mafia.

Fraggernaut · Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:46 am

@Kuro

I'm not, Something_Smart is trying to push a agenda on a vanity wagon so he can circle back & try to mislynch me tomorrow.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:38 am

Irao just misrepped me so hard in their 1680

I never said Snarky was a policy lynch, I said Snarly is a useless slot that won't help us solve the game, & they're not the kind of person I would want around in MYLO or LYLO. That doesn't make him a policy lynch, just a lynch.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:40 am

Snarky is scum aligned from my viewpoint, due to the fact that he does refuse to help

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:34 am

@Something_Smart As long as you can accept your reads were trash at the end of the game.

You can keep trying to spew me as scum, it only helps me going into the night.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:35 am

Also there's no world in the world of ever that Fire is scum, based on his interaction with Aristo I mentioned earlier.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:10 am

I don't think there should be a hammer until Guy's replacement is here. If there is a Guy replacement.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:33 am

@Performer

Cause there should be a extension of the day, given the facts.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:36 am

In post 1704, Egg wrote:
In post 1696, Fraggernaut wrote:Irao just misrepped me so hard in their 1680

I never said Snarky was a policy lynch, I said Snarly is a useless slot that won't help us solve the game, & they're not the kind of person I would want around in MYLO or LYLO. That doesn't make him a policy lynch, just a lynch.

But you just defined "policy lynch"...

Definition

I find Snarky scummy though, so my wanting a lynch on him isn't based on policy. It just so happens that he's a useless slot. I'm reading Snarky scum for the reason that he's not willing in any aspect to try to help town win this game.

"The efficacy of policy lynches is a hotly debated topic in almost any game in which it comes up due to the fact that the town arguably loses an opportunity to lynch a scummy player"

In this instance now though, I think we're lynching scum.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:25 am

In post 1710, SnarkySnowman wrote:I mean you're making a big deal out of me "refusing to help" when I've given a fair amount of my positions.

And my claiming is anti-town, I'll only do it when there is L-1 and intent to hammer.

Snarky go back & look at your ISO & come back & try to tell us you really believe what you're saying.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:32 am

Also out of game question. Is this almost to the point where you notify a list mod? I mean the actual mods haven't posted in 2+ days.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:37 pm

Backup cop? Is there even such a role? Never heard of that modifier.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:38 pm

Snarky what was your check last night?

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:00 pm

Something_Smart still trying to setup the mislynch for tomorrow.

Fraggernaut · Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:06 pm

Yet you've singled me out of everyone that was on a wagon you originally liked for pressure.

Seems legit. Continue to spew me.

Fraggernaut · Sun May 01, 2016 7:14 am

@Performer Slandaar is still null for me, more leaning town though. So far I like most their posts after I re-read their Iso & they appear more town then scum from my own perspective.

Ozgin posted a huge wall on me that said a lot but didn't actually say all that much if that makes sense. I'll re-read their ISO today & will update and reassess accordingly as I'll have to do with a few others in this game.

[Phone Post]

Fraggernaut · Sun May 01, 2016 7:16 am

In post 1779, Performer wrote:@Killthestory true, Ari is somewhat mysterious to read. Also one of the reasons I'm back to voting him .
I noted that you're a scumread on Snark's list. Thoughts?

In post 1740, Fraggernaut wrote:Snarky what was your check last night?

I don't like this from Frag. I've seen him mod games before and he is an experienced player. He asked about a possible Backup role having performed something, which is impossible. On top of that , pg 69 interaction between him and I , regarding GuyFawkes replacement before hammering - given our situation of less than 12 hours on d2 deadline, that made no sense.

@Frag, Fire, Drix, Killthestory in particular: what're your thoughts on the Guy slot

They claimed backup cop & a JOAT flipped. If they were telling the truth then they would have a check or a peek. It's easier to question a scum fake claiming if they can't provide the substantive information paired with that role.

Also Guy is useless right now & I'm hoping for their replacement to finally get here so we can read the slot.

[Phone Post]

Fraggernaut · Sun May 01, 2016 1:07 pm

In post 1805, Firebringer wrote:Kick makes some valid points.

This just reeks of Jester, but yeah don't think that's plausible.

Fraggernaut · Mon May 02, 2016 3:26 am

In post 1807, Something_Smart wrote:Yeah Fragger/Fire team confirmed.

Except for the fact that I'm town & you've been tunneling on me for things that aren't scummy at all.

Fraggernaut · Mon May 02, 2016 3:29 am

In post 1809, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1806, Fraggernaut wrote:
In post 1805, Firebringer wrote:Kick makes some valid points.

This just reeks of Jester, but yeah don't think that's plausible.

You should know jester isn't possible lol:
VOTE: Fragger

How would I know this if I only know my own alignment?

Fraggernaut · Mon May 02, 2016 3:49 am

In post 1813, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1811, Fraggernaut wrote:
In post 1807, Something_Smart wrote:Yeah Fragger/Fire team confirmed.

Except for the fact that I'm town & you've been tunneling on me for things that aren't scummy at all.

This really really feels like you know I'm town. Your scumread on me amounts to I'm pushing you, therefore I'm scum.
Also, what is your read on Firebringer?

When have I said you were town? I've read your tunnel on me as being scummy as hell for two days now. Its convient that you've left me alive through the night so you can attempt a mislynch on me. Also I read Fire as a PR yesterday due to their interactions with Aristo & I said I wouldn't lynch that slot based off those interactions . Its also the reason why I was on Fire last night. So there you go. So Something_Smart I implore you to go back & look at some of my other games cause irao is the lynch today .
VOTE: Irao

Fraggernaut · Mon May 02, 2016 9:04 am

Except I don't know you're town as you're trying to imply Something _Smart nor have I ever made the notion that I somehow know you're town cause I don't believe you are. Whose misrepping who now though.

Fraggernaut · Mon May 02, 2016 9:07 am

In post 1816, Performer wrote:Hmmm. Pg 73 is extremely interesting.

I didn't expect Fires response to be like that to KAAG.
Fire still townreads Guy based off gut iirc, noted.

Frag bringing up Jester in a game like this, calling SS scummy but resorting back to the ira vote.
Drip's empty vote of Guy.

VOTE: Frag

This vote is so horrible. I said it reeks of Jester cause they're seemingly openily wolfing when agreeing to people's opinions about how they're openily wolfing. This style of play is cancerous & self depricating.

Fraggernaut · Mon May 02, 2016 9:55 am

In post 1822, Performer wrote:Frag I'm saying those are the things that are off about you. Trust me when I say I'd rather vote someone else because you sounded way more logical in the game, but it's come to a point where the guy and snark discussion, as well as taking other views into account, need to be factored.

I think It's completely misrepresented by you that my play is cancerous and self deprecating. If i shitpost , then we can say that, but my play is hardly like that unless I'm pulling some gambit.

Except for the fact I wasn't saying your playstyle was cancerous & self depricating, cause you weren't the one who said what I quoted when I said that . Why did you feel the need to be defensive & push offish about that particular statement?

Fraggernaut · Mon May 02, 2016 9:57 am

@Performer

My statement was in reference to Fire's 1805

Fraggernaut · Mon May 02, 2016 10:07 am

Something_Smart the only possible world you have me in is with Fire, & even then your case is weak as all hell. If you ISO'ed me like you claimed to have then you would know that me saying you're misrepping me also constitute you being scum in my eyes. Its something I consider to be very scummy cause why would town need to do that? I can almost say with certainty that you never actually ISO'ed me & are just spouting bs.

Fraggernaut · Tue May 03, 2016 12:42 am

In post 1845, Firebringer wrote:Fragger, you should know Jester isn't allowed sincey ou have hosted a game before.
You can't play that dumb.

Fire must of just ignored my 1820 then

Fraggernaut · Tue May 03, 2016 9:06 am

Lol @ Something_Smart calling cases weak

Fraggernaut · Tue May 03, 2016 12:40 pm

Yume is being replaced along side Guy. The only time I seen a mafia replacement replace this many times was the last game I modded where I had to replace the same scum slot two times before pisskop finally filled in.

Fraggernaut · Tue May 03, 2016 12:47 pm

In post 1873, Killthestory wrote:http://imgur.com/pdGaiL4

Totally irrelevant to the game but I lulzed a plenty

Fraggernaut · Tue May 03, 2016 5:49 pm

@Mod

VC please

Fraggernaut · Tue May 03, 2016 5:49 pm

In post 1880, iraonavp wrote:Finally.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

This is pretty funny. Irao trying to coast a vote.

Fraggernaut · Tue May 03, 2016 10:57 pm

In post 1884, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1882, Fraggernaut wrote:
In post 1880, iraonavp wrote:Finally.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

This is pretty funny. Irao trying to coast a vote.
What Akers this funny?
I don't get it.

Its funny cause the way the vote was placed. Irao was okay being on KAAG then in a opportunistic manner puts their vote on me. I hold to my belief that Irao is scum or third party.

Fraggernaut · Tue May 03, 2016 11:00 pm

@KAAG I'll welcome a wagon on myself cause then it actually forces the scum tunneling on me to produce a actual case on me instead of all the weak angles they're coming at now.

Fraggernaut · Tue May 03, 2016 11:04 pm

I need to ISO both Irao & Something_Smart to see the interactions between the two. I don't remember any memorable interactions between the two. .

Fraggernaut · Wed May 04, 2016 7:42 am

Nope just yourself & Irao.

Fraggernaut · Wed May 04, 2016 7:43 am

If Irao flips SK then I read you scum independent of that flip. If Irao flips mafia then you're most likely their partner.

Fraggernaut · Wed May 04, 2016 8:16 pm

I'm town, I'm trying to find the scum that's on my wagon. I'm at L-3 right now. I believe there's at least two currently on my wagon.

Fraggernaut · Wed May 04, 2016 9:07 pm

@Drix

Think back to the newbie we played together, & it'll become clearer

Fraggernaut · Thu May 05, 2016 12:13 pm

In post 1928, Firebringer wrote:If no one gets why Fragger should know that their is no possibility of Jester in this game.
He has hosted NOrmal games here.

A host is required to know and examine the banned roles from normal setups.
The fact he mentioned it as a actual possiblity is laughable.

The fact that Fire is still harping on this after I've explained it two times makes me wish I wasn't on them last night more & more. If you ISO me you'll get a explanation of what I meant from that post which was actually directed towards you & your play style.

Fraggernaut · Thu May 05, 2016 12:16 pm

@Mod

That VC is way wrong.

As for the scum that I think are on my wagon, the two I most read as scum is Irao & Something_Smart. Something_Smart's "case" on me has been atrocious & weak as hell. He's continuing to try to spout bs as factual. Aristo being on my wagon is meh. Their vote was fairly weak & they even called it a place holder vote themselves & mentioned that they may move it.

Fraggernaut · Thu May 05, 2016 12:28 pm

Current Vote count on me is.

Fraggernaut (6) - Something_Smart, Firebringer, Ozgin, Performer, Iraonavp, Aristo

Something_Smart & Irao are my top two votes as scum for being on this wagon as I previously mentioned. If there was a possible third within the vote, I would lean more towards a Ozgin or a Fire, especially as Fire is still harping on something that's already been explained, though I chalk that up more as being bad town cause I read them as a PR from their interactions yesterday with Aristo. Ozigin in typical Ozgin fashion the entirety of this game placed a vote & disappeared. Performer & Aristo I believe are the least likely to be scum on this wagon, & doubtfully I don't think there's three on the wagon. I would say there's a definite two on the wagon. Aristo's from their own admission deemed their vote a placeholder vote which was really odd, as I mentioned in my post beforehand. I don't think Aristo as scum would place a vote that freely & let it be known what it was. If they were scum they would find a reason to place the vote on a misguided wagon to get the mislynch that Somthing_Smart is attempting I believe.

Fraggernaut · Thu May 05, 2016 12:31 pm

@KAAG

I'm still waiting for a case from Something_Smart that isn't completely fake. He doesn't have one.

Fraggernaut · Thu May 05, 2016 1:01 pm

In post 1939, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:
In post 1937, Fraggernaut wrote:@KAAG

I'm still waiting for a case from Something_Smart that isn't completely fake. He doesn't have one.

It's D3 though, and frankly you haven't made me think you're town.

There is precious little interaction between yourself and Drixx either.

I've mentioned Drixx plenty of times throughout this game, throughout both days.

515
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633
1036
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ect ect.

I also questioned Drixx about his "idiot ball" logic & a few other of the weird things he's said in this game that pinged out to me.

Fraggernaut · Thu May 05, 2016 1:12 pm

In post 1942, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1932, Yume wrote:Because I am town?

BLOWTORCH THIS PLAYER SLOT

Due to a "?" ?

Fraggernaut · Thu May 05, 2016 1:30 pm

@KAAG

Here's the issue I have with your argument.

Something_Smart, Ozgin, Slandaar = town
iraonavp, killthestory, Performer = prob!town
Guy/Replace, Yume, Kuroi, ilikebugs, DGB = unclear
Aristo, Frag = scummy
Drixx, FB = scum

Those are your most updated reads from your 1935

In the world where you think I'm mafia, alongside Drixx & Fire means you believe I as mafia would hard defend my partner Drixx throughout day one, day two & day three openly. It also means you believe I would hard defend Fire late day two, call him a PR which I read him as & then continue to express my belief that Fire is a PR & defend them into day three. Which is implausible & extremely dumb if I was actually mafia, which I'm not.

Fraggernaut · Thu May 05, 2016 1:34 pm

Also if I'm on a team with Aristo, you believe that Aristo hard defends me most of the first two days as my mafia team mate to attempt to spew me town, then places a lame duck placeholder vote on me in day three when my wagon already has been chugging along to try to earn town credit while making it pretty obvious. There's no world in the history of ever that, that's the case. I'm almost ready to just claim to stop this foolishness.

Fraggernaut · Thu May 05, 2016 3:32 pm

Want to cherry pick some more?

There's been several instances where I defended Drixx & called Fire a PR and said I wouldn't lynch that slot. Sorry your logic was busted and you have to try to fit things seemingly into a agenda.

Fraggernaut · Fri May 06, 2016 3:57 am

In post 1959, Something_Smart wrote:@DGB and Slandaar: why do you think Fragger is town?
I really hate how he says I have no case just because I haven't done a quote wall. My case is that his posts are forced and that he's trying to discredit everyone while clearly not showing town motivation (and his responses to my push have only solidified this read).

You have no case outside weak accusations like my posts are "forced" when they're actually not. I know
I'm town & the only people I've discredited are Irao & yourself cause I've been reading you scummy as hell. You've tunneled me for two days now but haven't actually provided any real substantial reasons. Are you really trying to use tone to bury me?

My fellow town need to look at how easily this wagon was jumped on .