New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[PeregrineV]

Vote: AGar

Long time no see!

[PeregrineV]

Your message contains too many smilies. The maximum number of smilies allowed is 12.

Depressing.

Learn to beat the system.

[PeregrineV]

Page 3 already.

Vote: Sickofit1138

[PeregrineV]

My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.

I find this pretty scummy considering he hasn't even posted, so he has not contributed to the group dynamic.

[PeregrineV]

My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.

I find this pretty scummy considering he hasn't even posted, so he has not contributed to the group dynamic.

Then vote me.

For someone who was thrilled about joining and recruited a few of us, why hasn't he posted? Why has there been so much defense of him (chainsaws, painting as a quicklynch)?

Who knows?

Probably because you are voting to lynch a person upon whom

you have zero information

.

That is the definition of

not scumhunting

.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV ———✶ Peregrine, what do you think of Agar's current posts?

So far, nothing. (as in does not indicate towards sum or town.)

[PeregrineV]

I get such bad vibez from implosion man

am I going crazy or something

No, the bad vibes are there.

[PeregrineV]

Feel free to join the approved lynches of Sickofit/Zach/A50

hmm... a50 doesn't ping scum to me yet

yet.

Let me know when he does.

[PeregrineV]

Losing track . on page 9.laters.

[PeregrineV]

I expect I'll be back later tonight.

[PeregrineV]

Monday post, back later.

[PeregrineV]

See, I'm glad I isoed Almost50.

Vote: Almost50

[PeregrineV]

Well, wth.

[PeregrineV]

See, I'm glad I isoed Almost50.

Vote: Almost50

What's the reasoning behind this except voting for you?

Lack of content in his first 22 posts.
First "real" case was against Dunnstral for vote hopping. That cases is quantified and color-coded in 325. Response in 333.

and

Voting me, outside of RVS, and for no given reason.

[PeregrineV]

See, I'm glad I isoed Almost50.

Vote: Almost50

Peregrine, please share with me and and all thoughts you have thus far.

Sure, granted I skipped the middle 60 or so pages.

AGar *- nothing
Lapsa - finds Almost50 town, which I find scummy
Almost50 - No content
Dunnstral - town
Zachstralkita -town
shannon - nothing
Sickofit1138 - scummy
Mirhawk SuddenlyARabbit - I think town, from first 7 pages. Didn;t see anything inlast 5
Airick10- nothing
Performer Nero Cain - I think townish
Transcend -townshish
PeregrineV - so town they could name the town after me
Boem_u_dusi - town. I liek thim.
podoboq - nothing
Wake88 * - Nothing ealry pages, but I feel liek I can read you pretty easily. I like your last 5 pages of posting, but disagree with your Titus townead.
Varsoon * - nothing, but never a good cohoice (to me) for a day1 lynch.
Titus - maybe town (see Wake read)
implosion - bad vibes early game. nothing form recent pages
Nosferatu - nothing

[PeregrineV]

See, I'm glad I isoed Almost50.

Vote: Almost50

What's the reasoning behind this except voting for you?

Lack of content in his first 22 posts.
First "real" case was against Dunnstral for vote hopping. That cases is quantified and color-coded in 325. Response in 333.

and

Voting me, outside of RVS, and for no given reason.

This seems bad. What about ... his other posts?

I claim that his first 22 posts are crap. You are welcome to quote them all, and point out the non-crap elements. Otherwise, pretend I just quoted them and called them crap.

After his first 22, he presents some sort of scumhunting, but it looks like too much effort to point out that Dunnstral votes early and often. And concludes he's not scum. Until a few posts later he is scum. Until I am.

[PeregrineV]

I'm feeling underwhelmed.

I desire to kill things and all I have near me are reuben sandwiches.

Sorry. It's day1. I'm not lynching Titus unless you have more than semantics and lynch all liars.

At least she is scumhunting, presenting reads, and making herself readable.

[PeregrineV]

That's all well and good, but I daresay he's not a viable lynch for today.

I also find him town, does that make me scummy as well?

Why?

[PeregrineV]

That's all well and good, but I daresay he's not a viable lynch for today.

I also find him town, does that make me scummy as well?

You found him town ever since page 5. Perhaps you should explain why.

[PeregrineV]

Sickofit1138
Almost50
implosion

Lapsa
shannon
Airick10
Vedith
AGar
podoboq
Mirhawk
Varsoon
Transcend
Zachstralkita
Performer

Boem_u_dusi
Dunnstral
Wake
Titus

[PeregrineV]

nvm did he replace out

Peregrine did you see the mason stuff?

Not directly but saw this

So, to recap:

~ Titus claimed Mason and named Dunn, causing Dunn to go along with it.
~ T&D backlash ensues.
~ Zach and Varsoon counterclaim Masons.
~ Z&D mention Night talk. T&D say they have Daytalk.
~ Wake comes.
~ Z&D recant. Wake questions T&D about Mason PT data.
~ T&D recant.
~ So T&D and Z&D recant being Masons. So there are no current Mason PTs. Meaning T&D couldn't answer questions about PT specs.

I presumed Z&D was supposed to be Z&V.

[PeregrineV]

@Zach-

RVS

Spoiler:

Great timing to start the game (6 am here!)

Anyway, just to say I'm here..

VOTE: Titus

She's drunk, yet she's voting "wake", so obviously has no intention to sober up soon

Spoiler: No actual content

Hi!

I only recognise one name here, so VOTE: Almost 50

I like the dog <3

Hi, shannon. I seem to remember the name but not recall what game we played together before. Care to refresh my rusty memory?

Spoiler: No actual content

@Dunn:

You broke your own rule by voting TWO other people after your #8, so I think you should be voting yourself. Fair is fair, brother!

I'm drunk.

VOTE: Wake88

Fuck that guy.

OK.. I get it. So it's a prerequisite to be DRUNK in order to vote WAKE. Right?

VOTE: Transcend

This is better

same

VOTE: Transcend

same

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw[/youtube]

P.S. How THE FREAK do you post a Youtube video directly??

VOTE: Trancend... Because lApsa only posted 11 smilies .... Then Trancend posted 12!!!!!

VOTE: sickofitnumbers

for misspelling my username

First *Sick* attempt at distancing detected. (Pun intended)

Hi all , just checking in for now. I'm so glad I got on the replacement list for this large normal, as they consistently need replacements. Didn't expect to replace in so quickly though. Anyway.

@Lapsa dude. I was surprised that you were also a PR in that game where I was 2-shot Cop . I hope you learned very much from games , to improve your townplay!

VOTE: no lynch voting no lynch for now.

I see familiar faces in this game as well as new ones. I don't want to say anyone else's name, specifically for fear of painting targets on their backs. I do see we have at least two people who've been ICs before or currently are ICs?

You're gonna fry for this. Not only that, but you're gonna fry for this. ("Thompson & Thompson", aka "Dupond et Dupont" style)

My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.

I don't know podoq at all, but I first need you to obv!town for me to sheep you on people I don't know. I know you can be tricky yourself if you're scum, so excuse me for not following your lead just yet.

So this game is Honey Bunches of Clusterfuck already.


VOTE: Varsoon

I don't know him personally, but he's definitely shifty.

I know him well, but only as a mod, and I wouldn't want to mess with him lest he hands me a lousy role in his next game.

P.S. For the new players: Varsoon's games are the ULTIMATE challenge. You'd always struggle to just understand how the mechanics work (and by the time you do -IF you do- it might be too late already!)

ummm town wouldnt type a post to stand out, that outs attention on them and away from hunting actual scum. ... so it sounds like you are insinuating that he is scum. i think it could be that you are scum pushing against an early mislynch.

SICK logic (again, pun intended). Although NAI, the logic is faulty bc scum wouldn't want to stand out so early either.

The thing is "sometimes" I would play like that if I was an insignificant townie (read: VT, but also note "sometimes"). I garb the spotlights for like half of the D1 so as to have SCUM hunting me down, and; although half the town would be too, the other half will be weighing their options and it's more likely than not that they will actually find a better lynch with well reasoning to vote for. This has the side-effect of blinding the scum from seeing PR crumbs and such, so -in effect- I would be protecting the town PRs in a way.

Now, why am I not doing this here? 2 reasons: 1- I don't feel like it (as in, I don't have the concentration and focus to do it ideally right now), and 2- because I haven't played with more than half of the player list, so it could very well backfire and I get mislynched 9which in it's own isn't a thing, except it would be a waste on D1).

Yaaay! My first rambling post of the day on the whole site. I guess the headache is wearing out.

I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
WHAT'S UP MY N-WORDS?
DON'T WORRY, I'M TOWN
I'VE GOT YOUR BACK.

OK.. I kind of forgot I played with you ONCE before. You were offed N1 though, but the caps reminded me of that game (Borderlands). Yup.. was too fast paced too, and I started playing pretty much towards the end of D1 so that one slipped my mind.

p.S. Am I grabbing enough attention yet??

Use only the part after the = sign in the [youtube] boxes.

I've only watched the opening 13 sec. Those sum up what I wanted to say!

Then this from you,

VOTE: Almost50

I'll need a 3 paragraph case on this, complete with numbered list thanks

Seems to indicate that, from Almost50 posts (pre-Dunn) indicate to you as town.

Based on what he posted before you strongly implied he was town, why was he that strong a townread that you would need a three paragraph numbered list?

[PeregrineV]

Okay PeregrineV, can you elaborate further on that gutread on implosion? Because I found it interesting that so many people have a negative gut read about him while my gut says nothing. Both you and Nosferatu/Vedith expressed that gut read very early in the game.

Trying to assign early reads based only on RVS.
Toenreading Almost50 for no content.
Injecting into the Titus-Wake back and forth.

That was first 8 pages.

Also, so there's no confusion, not really for a implosion lynch on day1.

[PeregrineV]

@Zach-

RVS

Spoiler:

Great timing to start the game (6 am here!)

Anyway, just to say I'm here..

VOTE: Titus

She's drunk, yet she's voting "wake", so obviously has no intention to sober up soon

Spoiler: No actual content

Hi!

I only recognise one name here, so VOTE: Almost 50

I like the dog <3

Hi, shannon. I seem to remember the name but not recall what game we played together before. Care to refresh my rusty memory?

Spoiler: No actual content

@Dunn:

You broke your own rule by voting TWO other people after your #8, so I think you should be voting yourself. Fair is fair, brother!

I'm drunk.

VOTE: Wake88

Fuck that guy.

OK.. I get it. So it's a prerequisite to be DRUNK in order to vote WAKE. Right?

VOTE: Transcend

This is better

same

VOTE: Transcend

same

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw[/youtube]

P.S. How THE FREAK do you post a Youtube video directly??

VOTE: Trancend... Because lApsa only posted 11 smilies .... Then Trancend posted 12!!!!!

VOTE: sickofitnumbers

for misspelling my username

First *Sick* attempt at distancing detected. (Pun intended)

Hi all , just checking in for now. I'm so glad I got on the replacement list for this large normal, as they consistently need replacements. Didn't expect to replace in so quickly though. Anyway.

@Lapsa dude. I was surprised that you were also a PR in that game where I was 2-shot Cop . I hope you learned very much from games , to improve your townplay!

VOTE: no lynch voting no lynch for now.

I see familiar faces in this game as well as new ones. I don't want to say anyone else's name, specifically for fear of painting targets on their backs. I do see we have at least two people who've been ICs before or currently are ICs?

You're gonna fry for this. Not only that, but you're gonna fry for this. ("Thompson & Thompson", aka "Dupond et Dupont" style)

My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.

I don't know podoq at all, but I first need you to obv!town for me to sheep you on people I don't know. I know you can be tricky yourself if you're scum, so excuse me for not following your lead just yet.

So this game is Honey Bunches of Clusterfuck already.


VOTE: Varsoon

I don't know him personally, but he's definitely shifty.

I know him well, but only as a mod, and I wouldn't want to mess with him lest he hands me a lousy role in his next game.

P.S. For the new players: Varsoon's games are the ULTIMATE challenge. You'd always struggle to just understand how the mechanics work (and by the time you do -IF you do- it might be too late already!)

ummm town wouldnt type a post to stand out, that outs attention on them and away from hunting actual scum. ... so it sounds like you are insinuating that he is scum. i think it could be that you are scum pushing against an early mislynch.

SICK logic (again, pun intended). Although NAI, the logic is faulty bc scum wouldn't want to stand out so early either.

The thing is "sometimes" I would play like that if I was an insignificant townie (read: VT, but also note "sometimes"). I garb the spotlights for like half of the D1 so as to have SCUM hunting me down, and; although half the town would be too, the other half will be weighing their options and it's more likely than not that they will actually find a better lynch with well reasoning to vote for. This has the side-effect of blinding the scum from seeing PR crumbs and such, so -in effect- I would be protecting the town PRs in a way.

Now, why am I not doing this here? 2 reasons: 1- I don't feel like it (as in, I don't have the concentration and focus to do it ideally right now), and 2- because I haven't played with more than half of the player list, so it could very well backfire and I get mislynched 9which in it's own isn't a thing, except it would be a waste on D1).

Yaaay! My first rambling post of the day on the whole site. I guess the headache is wearing out.

I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
WHAT'S UP MY N-WORDS?
DON'T WORRY, I'M TOWN
I'VE GOT YOUR BACK.

OK.. I kind of forgot I played with you ONCE before. You were offed N1 though, but the caps reminded me of that game (Borderlands). Yup.. was too fast paced too, and I started playing pretty much towards the end of D1 so that one slipped my mind.

p.S. Am I grabbing enough attention yet??

Use only the part after the = sign in the [youtube] boxes.

I've only watched the opening 13 sec. Those sum up what I wanted to say!

Then this from you,

VOTE: Almost50

I'll need a 3 paragraph case on this, complete with numbered list thanks

Seems to indicate that, from Almost50 posts (pre-Dunn) indicate to you as town.

Based on what he posted before you strongly implied he was town, why was he that strong a townread that you would need a three paragraph numbered list?

Lmfao I asked for a three paragraph numbered list because Dunnstral can't case someone to save his fucking life

lol..that makes more sense.

@Lapsawagon lapsa is fucking town, u heard it here last


anyways.

Well I'm sorry you feel that way.

This leaves a pool of (in no particular order) {wake, agar, mirhawk, boem, peregrine, airick, varsoon}.

I think from this pool boem is town (I agree with whoever called 959 town, and some of his other recent posting pings town as well, e.g. 964, 966).

Airick is null, Wake is impossible to read.

Varsoon eh. Don't feel strongly about him yet. But I think I'll be able to get a read on him from a bit more posting.

I can see peregrine scum, although I don't have any particularly strong reasons atm beyond gut. I've explained why I think AGar is scum for the wallpost. I found Mirhawk's early posts scummy and still do on reread but need to look at his other stuff more since he's actually been active.

VOTE: PeregrineV

ooh, I had to just include this here.

VOTE: implosion

implosion expresses his disdain for voting a V/LA player earlier, then proceeds to vote a lurker who had not made any recent posts..

His vote has not moved from here.

Implosion, why do you think Nosferatu and PeregrineV expressed their negative gut read on you (bad vibes) early on?

Nos, probably because he actually had gut vibes from me. Even if he's scum, it was probably him trying to emulate something he'd have said as town and not anything deeper than that.

Peregrine, also possibly that, or possibly just trying to sow the seeds of a future push as scum potentially.

So implosion who is a better lynch than Titus and yourself?

I'm having some trouble finding people that I'm actually enthusiastic about lynching. I'd still be happy with AGar pressure but there seems to be a lot of AGar-town sentiment flying around the room. The other scumread I currently have is Mirhawk but I do need to re-evaluate it and I've been a bit lazy about isoing him. I'd honestly also be satisfied with a lurker lynch (peregrine) because I have a lot of townreads and I'm not a fan of his posting so far in particular. Airick also maybe but it seems like we're about to get content from him possibly.

implosion has a hard time finding active players to lynch because he has to essentially make up scumreads on them.

the rest of his scumreads (AGar, Mirhawk) he's very wishy-washy on them and not really ready to commit to anything at all. Take AGar for instance.

" There seems to be a lot of AGar-town sentiment flying around the room "

Name someone besides me doing that? Also, why should it matter if your scumread is townread by people? Titus and Dunnstral have no problems doing that.


" Airick also maybe " this is bullshit, he's posted almost nothing that could be considered alignment indicative. What I gathered is implosion doesn't want to lynch active players, he does AND doesn't want to lynch the lurkers, but anyone but himself is fair game.

Bolded is good point.
But, would almost want to lynch Airlick first.

*sigh*
Will iso implosion later. But, he is not generally a lynch choice for me on day1.

[PeregrineV]

But, still does not change my opinion about Almost either.

[PeregrineV]

I think a lot of the scum in this game are in the lurkers.

Low posting lurkers or low content lurkers?

[PeregrineV]

I do agree with this however, I don't like the constant negativity vibe she gives off throughout the game. The game itself has made it rather easy to go negative pretty quickly, but the attitude of really not even caring much anymore about it does give off an anti-town vibe.

That is the vibe of suspicion and paranoia, which causes feelings of negativity towards the person, since those are negative emotions.

[PeregrineV]

Here's the entire ISO of PV. His 25 posts thus far. Yes he does have reads, which could very well have been composed to mimic the most popular reads with little to no adjustment. Where and how did he reach these reads? What actual scum hunting/engagement did he provide?

What are the most popular reads? Mine is based on like pages 1-10 then aroundd 80+

I COULD blame it on the silly number of posts, I really could.. but having detailed reads at the same time is very odd to me. He either can't keep up thus should have vague reads or he IS following up so he should have much more content.

In the first paragraph above my reads are not detailed enough. Here they are too detailed.

Which one are you complaining about again?

GDI! I edited out like a gazillion winks and it still says "Your message contains too many smilies". You guys ISO Peregrine on your own!!

@PV:

Is this a trick to prevent someone from quoting your whole ISO?

Quote the posts that you are responding to instead of my whole iso. Or link the damn things.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Vedith

If scum, look at Mirhawk.

@wake

- people tend to want to lynch Titus for they same reason they want to lynch you. I'm still not lynching Titus today.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Vedith

@wake

- people tend to want to lynch Titus for they same reason they want to lynch you. I'm still not lynching Titus today.

Interesting reaction.

I vote Titus, and very next post you move to Vedith.

The second sentence is vague, and I want to hear your personal reasoning why you refuse to vote for Titus today.

1. I gave the rest of the pages to Vedith to read him. He gave nothing.
2. Mirhawk has no opinion on him, and calls him "newtown", when he's been here about a year and has dozens of games he posted in.

As for Titus-

Sorry. It's day1. I'm not lynching Titus unless you have more than semantics and lynch all liars.

At least she is scumhunting, presenting reads, and making herself readable.

[PeregrineV]

I don't know, you tell me which of these categories the scumreads that I have very clearly elucidated fall into.

I don't think you are making a distinction between the two.

But, it's out there for future examination.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Mirhawk

Would also be for lynching beeboy.

[PeregrineV]

Why the low profile Peregrine? Is this normal?

You have 31 posts out of 3204. Dunnstral has 587.

Doesn't make you Scum, but it does say you haven't contributed that much.

Same with AGar, shannon, and Airick to some extent.

For me it is. Its a combo of time and timing.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Mirhawk

Would also be for lynching beeboy.

I'm curious, why beeboy? He did claim miller, do you not believe the claim? What makes him scum to you?

Doesn't appear to be offering scumhunting effort.

Also didn't like his Agar over Vedith vote when they were the 2 main wagons.

Appears to change vote to Vedtih after an Agar post, so maybe I'm too hard on him.

Mirhawk was due to his treatment of Vedtih also, but re-read seems less sinister.

Dunno here...

[PeregrineV]

OK, I'm gonna go out a huge limb here. Please somebody with significantly more site experience than I look into this.

In Secret Alt Mafia 2, Joey Tribbiani scumslipped by accidentally linking to the Mafia PT. When people clicked the link, they got an error screen that says "You are not authorised to read this topic." This happened because he prepared his wall inside of the Mafia PT, and when he typed (post)74(/post), it linked to the thread he typed it in, not the main thread, where the post he intended to reference lied.

Now it's possible that I'm misunderstanding some of how that works, because I only vaguely know this story from TPP talking about it in Musical Mafia, but I'm seeing the same symptoms of it here. If I'm wrong here, and this is nothing, then sorry I brought it up, we can move on. But if I'm right, and this is the same thing, it's just straight up a scumslip. Like, a real one.

Wake posted a similarly broken url, which leads to a topic I don't have access to:

(561)

Here is the slip from Secret Alt Mafia 2. Scroll down to read the explanation of how it's a slip.


Again, apologies if I'm misunderstanding something and this is all nothing.

As I've been allowed in the past, I've used old PTs of mine that only I have access to to gather my thoughts, collect ISOs, and update my Reads List.

Apparently my Reads List contained a link to that hidden PT. I can't make a new PT, but I can use an old one from my old Large Normal.

Just saw podoq's thing about the bad link.

The link is such that it directly references 8 separate post numbers in your "mystery PT". However, each link goes back to a single post.

I don't like it.

[PeregrineV]

The url is way too early to be the scum pt of this thread.

How did you arrive at this calculation?

[PeregrineV]

Willing to Lynch Titus/Dunnstral Day 2?

(If you're playing please answer with 'Yes' or 'No.')

AGar

~ Yes/No

Airick10

~ Yes/No

Almost50

~ Yes/No

Beeboy

~ Yes/No

Boem_u_dusi

~ Yes/No

Dunnstral

~ Yes/No

implosion

~ Yes/No

Mirhawk

~ Yes/No

PeregrineV

~ Yes/No

Performer

~ Yes/No

podoboq

~ Yes/No

shannon

~ Yes/No

Titus

~ Yes/No

Transcend

~ Yes/No

Varsoon

~ Yes/No

Vedith

~ Yes/No

Zachstralkita

~ Yes/No

Probably not.

[PeregrineV]

The url is way too early to be the scum pt of this thread.

How did you arrive at this calculation?

Actually better yet, real confirmation that Wake is telling the truth:
Post numbers are sorted chronologically. Post 0 in this game is 8019556, but the post that Wake's link directs to is 671742, which has to be far before the mafia PT was created.

Sorry Wake. I'm gonna go be sad in a corner somewhere.

It appears that all posts on mafiascum share a universal numbering system. So post X+1 is the next post made chronologically after post X, regardless of what thread those two posts take place in. In other words, the original post in this game was the eight millionth post on mafiascum plus some change, while the quote that Wake accidentally links to isn't even as recent as the seven millionth, meaning it couldn't have been in the mafia PT to this game, as likely the mafia PT is also around the eight million mark.

[img]
http://gaming.ngi.it/images/ngismiles/teach.gif[/img]
OK

[PeregrineV]

The url is way too early to be the scum pt of this thread.

How did you arrive at this calculation?

Actually better yet, real confirmation that Wake is telling the truth:
Post numbers are sorted chronologically. Post 0 in this game is 8019556, but the post that Wake's link directs to is 671742, which has to be far before the mafia PT was created.

Sorry Wake. I'm gonna go be sad in a corner somewhere.

It appears that all posts on mafiascum share a universal numbering system. So post X+1 is the next post made chronologically after post X, regardless of what thread those two posts take place in. In other words, the original post in this game was the eight millionth post on mafiascum plus some change, while the quote that Wake accidentally links to isn't even as recent as the seven millionth, meaning it couldn't have been in the mafia PT to this game, as likely the mafia PT is also around the eight million mark.

OK

[PeregrineV]

His actions are removed from the game. What would voting you achieve? You claimed, people riled you up for it. You claimed and it's done. Almost 50 also claimed they jailed you
So like
What would a vote on you now achieve? I want to know. Because it seems to me that everything that can be said about this topic has already been said. A wagon on you is not happening and he knows it, so it follows that the vote on you is a pressure vote. But like. Is there something about your claim that still needs clarification or something? What new information would a pressure vote on you prompt at this point?

You're right I should definitely be on one of the leading wagons. Which would you prefer, yours or mine?

I'm on Dunn because I think Dunn's scum and I don't think the odds of you flipping scum are really all that great.

I suppose if I'm limited to only picking already formed wagons I could go with Implosion, but I simply don't feel like it.

If Dunn claimed to be vig who shot Lapsa, and you think he's scum, then wont the vig take care of that tonight?

So, combined with my personal belief that Dunn is town, your vote choice....is suspect.

[PeregrineV]

Boem constantly sheeping Dunn does raise a red flag.

VOTE: Borm

If I had to choose between mirhawk and PV I'd lynch the latter because he's just not doing much at all. I would like to hear more from Varsoon as well.

This was me. Sorry!

Since when do you participate in either-or lynching?

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, that's how you contribute to this game? Seriously?

It tells me podoq is town, which means I won't vote him. And maybe Wake is town, if he is working up his posts in a PT but not the scum PT. Unless they don't have daytalk.

So , I'm scumhunting by finding town to not-lynch.

What else do you want?

[PeregrineV]

And maybe Wake is town, if he is working up his posts in a PT but not the scum PT. Unless they don't have daytalk.

I believe mod has confirmed that scum do have daytalk.

Then that makes it less likely Wake is scum. As scum, it would make more sense for him to solicit feedback on a post than not.

unless he purposefully linked to an old PT to make us think all this. But that's next level mafia, so I'll just say Wake is probably town for now.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, that's how you contribute to this game? Seriously?

It tells me podoq is town, which means I won't vote him. And maybe Wake is town, if he is working up his posts in a PT but not the scum PT. Unless they don't have daytalk.

So , I'm scumhunting by finding town to not-lynch.

What else do you want?

Why does it tell you podoboq is town? I still fail to see logic in this line of reasoning.

As far as I know, they both could be scum and playing us like a fiddle with some prepared shenanigans. That's close to null for me.

If he is scum and Wake is town, he pounds and hammers that slip as belonging to the scum PT. When Wake flips town, he was justified in his actions.
If he is scum and wake is scum, there is no point in mentioning it whatsoever.

So, yeah, pdodoq and Wake town.

[PeregrineV]

And maybe Wake is town, if he is working up his posts in a PT but not the scum PT. Unless they don't have daytalk.

I believe mod has confirmed that scum do have daytalk.

Then that makes it less likely Wake is scum. As scum, it would make more sense for him to solicit feedback on a post than not.

unless he purposefully linked to an old PT to make us think all this

. But that's next level mafia, so I'll just say Wake is probably town for now.

no shit sherlock

So you think Wake purposefully composed a post with links in an old PT, made those links go to the old PT instead of to the actual posts in this game, knowing that he would be called out on it, and also knowing that he would be townread ONLY because those links posted to a post made BEFORE the scum PT could have been created, and that we would figure all this out on our own, and that we would also believe it, and he would not be lynched for it?

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, that's how you contribute to this game? Seriously?

It tells me podoq is town, which means I won't vote him. And maybe Wake is town, if he is working up his posts in a PT but not the scum PT. Unless they don't have daytalk.

So , I'm scumhunting by finding town to not-lynch.

What else do you want?

What else do we want... hm.
1) you to actually give this reasoning (or really, indicate that you thought it made podoboq town at all!) without us having to put you to the grindstone. You quoting a post and then linking an emoticon and saying "ok" does not tell us that you thought podoboq was town based on that post.

He's town because he was scumhunting. You know that.
I prefer the grindstone. It shows you care.

2) give reads on more than two players when you've been playing the game for 140+ pages

I have a few more, but they are not relevant to the current discussion. If and when they are, I'll give them.

3) take solid stances on literally any of the players who have been hotly debated and wagoned today (mirhawk, kraska, me)

My Mirhawk stance id I'm still voting him.
If he flips, Transcend is probably scum.
Kraska has flaws (pointed out by Zach) that she has yet to overcome, but pretty sure I never scumread Perfromer in day1.
I'm not voting you, and I'm still watching you, so there is that.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, just drop it. That's completely irrelevant. We need to focus on other things.

Not really.

Like what?

[PeregrineV]

And maybe Wake is town, if he is working up his posts in a PT but not the scum PT. Unless they don't have daytalk.

I believe mod has confirmed that scum do have daytalk.

Then that makes it less likely Wake is scum. As scum, it would make more sense for him to solicit feedback on a post than not.

unless he purposefully linked to an old PT to make us think all this

. But that's next level mafia, so I'll just say Wake is probably town for now.

no shit sherlock

So you think Wake purposefully composed a post with links in an old PT, made those links go to the old PT instead of to the actual posts in this game, knowing that he would be called out on it, and also knowing that he would be townread ONLY because those links posted to a post made BEFORE the scum PT could have been created, and that we would figure all this out on our own, and that we would also believe it, and he would not be lynched for it?

Yes.

[PeregrineV]

You know what would be really great? If I was scum coasting on a miller claim right now.

Your miller claim means nothing to me.

[PeregrineV]

Wake and podoboq town would mean there's 2-3 mafia in Airick10/implosion/Varsoon/Mirhawk almost guaranteed. Alternative is that mafia was ridiculous and bussed their PR just like that D1 and I'm not seeing how is that helping them win the game.

Guessing you are referencing this:

Wee a lynch

vc 1.22

Titus (3):

Lapsa, Varsoon, Wake88

Vedith (10):

AGar, Performer, PeregrineV, Zachstralkita, beeboy, Titus, Transcend, Boem_u_dusi, shannon, Dunnstral

AGar (4):

Airick10, Almost50, podoboq, implosion

shannon (2):

Mirhawk, Vedith

Not Voting:

None

With

19

votes,

10

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-05 23:38:55)

Wake88 is

V/LA

until

7/4

.
Performer is

V/LA

until

7/4

.

Scum bus. On day1 even.

Any VCA you are doing now should be rough, at best.

[PeregrineV]

I don't know. PeregrineV feels like a mislynch. Even if we somehow hit scum he's small potatoes.

Lynching me will not hit scum.

[PeregrineV]

Hoo boy

vc 2.14

kraska77 (1):

AGar

Mirhawk (2):

PeregrineV, shannon

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

Boem_u_dusi (1):

Wake88

PeregrineV (5):

Almost50, Dunnstral, implosion, Airick10, kraska77

Titus (3):

Varsoon, pobodoq, beeboy

podoboq (2):

Zackstralkita, Titus

implosion (2):

Boem_u_dusi, Transcend

Not Voting:

None

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

.

dang, L-2 already?

[PeregrineV]

Probably not. Care to share some thoughts with us?

Yeah, you might actually give a read or two, since you're posting on site.

I've given quite a few.

Off the top of my head-

Really probably town
Zachstralkita
Boem_u_dusi
podoboq
Wake88

Leaning more town than scum at this point


A little bit town, a lot bit null
AGar
Dunnstral
implosion

Null Or undecided
shannon
Airick10
Performer
Transcend
Titus

Scum side of the tracks
Varsoon

Scummier than that
beeboy
Almost50
Mirhawk

Did I miss anybody?

[PeregrineV]

Hoo boy

vc 2.14

kraska77 (1):

AGar

Mirhawk (2):

PeregrineV, shannon

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

Boem_u_dusi (1):

Wake88

PeregrineV (5):

Almost50, Dunnstral, implosion, Airick10, kraska77

Titus (3):

Varsoon, pobodoq, beeboy

podoboq (2):

Zackstralkita, Titus

implosion (2):

Boem_u_dusi, Transcend

Not Voting:

None

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

.

dang, L-2 already?

Considering we have around 4 days left, it would be wise to claim soon. Otherwise, should you be brought to L1 in 1-2 days and you claim a PR, there'll be panic.

My claiming would invalidate my role effectiveness, so I'm deciding whether to claim or not.

Also, I'll be going VLA soon, so may take that into consideration.

[PeregrineV]

Probably not. Care to share some thoughts with us?

I havent looked at why I'm being voted yet- are there any compelling reasons?

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, just an offtopic question - how did you earn "best town performance" badge or whatever above your avatar?

I think that this game was nominated and won "Best Perfomance by Town" award for 2015.

[PeregrineV]

Here, let me help you.

VOTE: PeregrineV

This is L-1. PLEASE, EVERYONE, don't hammer until he's been given a chance to claim.

lol....Wagon snapshot first.

[PeregrineV]

My lynchpool includes Titus, Dunnstral, and Boem.

I don't have time for PV to fuck around with claiming.

Not worried I will self-hammer, huh?

Interesting.....

[PeregrineV]

Hoo boy

vc 2.14

kraska77 (1):

AGar

Mirhawk (2):

PeregrineV, shannon

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

PeregrineV (8):

Almost50, Dunnstral, implosion, Airick10, kraska77, Zackstralkita, Titus, Wake88

Titus (4):

Varsoon, beeboy, pobodoq, Transcend

implosion (1):

Boem_u_dusi,

Not Voting:

None

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

.

as of right now

[PeregrineV]

Scummier than that
beeboy
Almost50
Mirhawk

there's no way that you'll be able to convince me that 3 claimed roles are your top 3 scumreads.

like... no way.

What did they claim?

[PeregrineV]

Hoo boy

vc 2.14

kraska77 (1):

AGar

Mirhawk (2):

PeregrineV, shannon

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

PeregrineV (8):

Almost50, Dunnstral, implosion, Airick10, kraska77, Zackstralkita, Titus, Wake88

Titus (4):

Varsoon, beeboy, pobodoq, Transcend

implosion (1):

Boem_u_dusi,

Not Voting:

None

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

.

as of right now

Yes, we've established that.

I need you to engage here please.

I'm here and doing that.

There are 5 or 6 claims, apparently. Either tell me what they are, or I have to go find them.

[PeregrineV]

I can confirm that Mirhawk is a doctor.

I am a backup Nurse.
I know there is a Nurse and a Doctor in the game.
I had thought my role told me they were a

town

nurse and doctor, but it turns out that they could be any alignment.
At the very least, I can confirm their claim, which is likely to be town, imo.

Varsoon, what was the role called in your pm?

Town Backup Nurse.
Since my role says it will change to Town Nurse with a Nurse dies, I assumed the Nurse was town.

Yeah, Wake, s'why I brought more attention to it when faking masons.
It works though, doesn't it?


Also, yes, it literally says BACKUP NURSE and not BACKUP DOCTOR.


And I imagine that if the Nurse becomes the Doctor, they are no longer the Nurse, which means I don't become the Doctor when they die, if that makes sense.

I am simply a backup for the backup.

wow

[PeregrineV]

A50 is jailkeeper that "blocked" or "saved" Dunnstral

Mirhawk is doctor that's validated by Varsoon's super back-up claim

Beeboy is miller which is somewhat legit due to Neapolitan Mafia.

wow

[PeregrineV]

Yeah. This is helpful.

I are Town Doctor.

[PeregrineV]

Night 1 I protected no one (and it would not have been Lapsa, so I didnt feel bad.

Night2 is pre-submitted, so there is that.

[PeregrineV]

So Mirhawk is lying or we have two doctors?

Gonna go with lying.

[PeregrineV]

So Mirhawk is lying or we have two doctors?

Gonna go with lying.

But, I am biased.

[PeregrineV]

Why did you protect noone N1?

Night came and went over a weekend I think. I was unsure about who to protect, since it would have been a crapshoot, thought I'd go back and re-read later, but then it was day.

[PeregrineV]

Why did you protect noone N1?

Night came and went over a weekend I think. I was unsure about who to protect, since it would have been a crapshoot, thought I'd go back and re-read later, but then it was day.

[PeregrineV]

]

Hoo boy

vc 2.14

kraska77 (1):

AGar

Mirhawk (2):

PeregrineV, shannon

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

PeregrineV (8):

Almost50, Dunnstral, implosion, Airick10, kraska77, Zackstralkita, Titus, Wake88, Transcend

Titus (3):

Varsoon, beeboy, pobodoq,

implosion (1):

Boem_u_dusi,

Not Voting:

None

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

.

Snap, he did it.

Still Town Doc.

[PeregrineV]

]

Hoo boy

vc 2.14

kraska77 (1):

AGar

Mirhawk (2):

PeregrineV, shannon

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

PeregrineV (9):

Almost50, Dunnstral, implosion, Airick10, kraska77, Zackstralkita, Titus, Wake88, Transcend

Titus (3):

Varsoon, beeboy, pobodoq,

implosion (1):

Boem_u_dusi,

Not Voting:

None

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

.

Snap, he did it.

Still Town Doc.

[PeregrineV]

]

Hoo boy

vc 2.14

kraska77 (1):

AGar

Mirhawk (2):

PeregrineV, shannon

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

PeregrineV (9):

Almost50, Dunnstral, implosion, Airick10, kraska77, Zackstralkita, Titus, Wake88, Transcend

Titus (3):

Varsoon, beeboy, pobodoq,

implosion (1):

Boem_u_dusi,

Not Voting:

None

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

.

Snap, he did it.

Still Town Doc.

[PeregrineV]

mirhawk is definitely doc over peregrinev and there's no way NO WAY there's 2 docs.

I'm sure he will protect you from your own kill tonight.

Yeah. This is helpful.

I are Town Doctor.

Night 1 I protected no one (and it would not have been Lapsa, so I didnt feel bad.

Night2 is pre-submitted, so there is that.

I don't believe this. Why would you say that.

If you're a full-fledged Doctor why wouldn't you doc anyone Night 1 if you had a chance?

If you really are Town Doctor heads are literally going to roll if you die.

Yeah, I'm sure they will.

mirhawk is definitely doc over peregrinev and there's no way NO WAY there's 2 docs.

Why is Mirhawk definitely doc?

He's not, he's scum. Kind of like I stated before.

[PeregrineV]

anyways enjoy mafia #2 being roped.

troll twilight all you want lol.

You got me, but missed on my role and alignment.

[PeregrineV]

Luckily too, Varsoon is now possibly or possibly not a backup to me.

[PeregrineV]

Anyways, good luck town. My only worry is that day1 scum lynches usually end up in a town loss.....

[PeregrineV]

Yeah. This is helpful.

I are Town Doctor.

Night 1 I protected no one

(and it would not have been Lapsa, so I didnt feel bad.

Night2 is pre-submitted, so there is that.

So you're just a full doctor?

Yep.

[PeregrineV]

If you're Scum you can say so now PV.

And I would have.

Mirhawk is town. I'm standing by it. I refuse to believe anything else.

OK. Your ass is still on the line if you just hammered the doc.

PV, don't play mindgames. Are you scum or town?

Still town.

He did, although we don't know for certain what PV is yet.

I don't understand why Transcend trusts Mirhawk so much. This stuff should have been discussed by whole town, now we got jackshit. Transcend, you seriously misplayed this.

He has to have this level of "certainty" to avoid being held accountable for lynching the Town Doctor.

I'm hoping for Vedith #2.0

You should have lynched Mirhawk.

[PeregrineV]

I had the feeling Vedith was trolling when he got hammered and I don't have the same feeling now.

I don't usually.

I have before.

Since, I'm town, I'd normally throw a lot of eefort into final reads.

But we know those will not be re-read.

Besides, scum has been literally throwing themselves at the thread. You guys should be able to figure it out.

Plus, I'm leaving for the coast tomorrow!!

[PeregrineV]

I have a feeling scum are laughing their asses off somewhere.

My only issue with all the "protectives" is that there was only one kill last night.

[PeregrineV]

You have my attention.

Mirhawk first pinged when he soft defended Vedith.

beeboy did the same thing to Mirhawk. And now wants to talk about how GiF games can allow for Mirhawk to still be a doc (and he may be, but I'm obviously skeptical).

Not sure how Varsoon treated Vedith/Mirhawk. His role is either fake to bolster Mirhawk, or his is a crappy non-role like backup to a non-existant backup.

Almost50 has tunneled me the whole game, and I've seen him *actually* play, so there is that.

Anyways, good luck!!

[PeregrineV]

What di bloodclaat is going on

You were my night2 protect....

[PeregrineV]

Titus was in the game where I was in a scum only neighborhood.

modded by GIF

Oh way was that ny 192?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59516

Tbh neither me nor PV got into that game

Plus I think Nopoint was suspected when we replaced in. That didnt help.

[PeregrineV]

As frustrated as I am with days 5-8 my bad in lylo. I can point to a lot of other things over the course of the game that led to lylo being a worse situation than it needed to be, but ultimately lylo is my bad.

It was a good game overall though. I'm happy with my play up until lylo more or less.

Oh and yeah I really love the setup design and it sparked some things in my head about the definition of backupr oles being possibly ill-defined? maybe. But I really like the idea of the backup nurse. It's cool both from just an idea perspective and from the perspective of potentially reducing swing.

You took my job and didn't ab he my death?!?

[PeregrineV]

As frustrated as I am with days 5-8 my bad in lylo. I can point to a lot of other things over the course of the game that led to lylo being a worse situation than it needed to be, but ultimately lylo is my bad.

It was a good game overall though. I'm happy with my play up until lylo more or less.

Oh and yeah I really love the setup design and it sparked some things in my head about the definition of backupr oles being possibly ill-defined? maybe. But I really like the idea of the backup nurse. It's cool both from just an idea perspective and from the perspective of potentially reducing swing.

You took my job and didn't avenge my death?!?