As the dawn breaks over the small, bleary eyed crowd gathering to assess their losses, a booming voice rings through the courtyard.In post 565, Alisae wrote:Well Pine, that's why my real father is JaeReed.
and Hi Trans.
Considering voting Pep.
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I haven't finished reading up broski. Can you fill me in on some stuff? I hit page 30 then ended up playing steam games >.> Then my laptop ended up overheating and I had to force restart and lost my notes. So that was annoying.In post 4391, Clumsy wrote:Several things.
-Is there anyone else in the neighborhood or would it have just been you and Cloud?
-Does anyone else claim to be neighborized?
-Mafsilver is garbage, they should use MafBlack. But that color seems fine.
-Before we end the day, we need another vig list. This can wait a bit.
-I have a few reads that are starting to adjust, but I want to hold onto those for now
-Jae please clean up your spot. I don't want to lynch you. What do you think of everyone's reads on your slot?
What I remember:
Ramcius was both townie and scummy in such a way I couldn't sort him
Alisae is town
gerryoat actually doing something in a large way makes me wary of him
Manuel looked like he was trying to newbtell and was scummy in other ways
Pep being known lynchbait I had noted that it'd be interesting to see how Trans reads him
Yoshi is really really really fucking scummy and I want that roped.
So now with the Manuel flip and Zach's catch up you're conftown as the other mason? which means Ramcius read is irrelevant.
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PV is doing it in a way that shows belief in what he's saying. Not sure on gerry. Need more time and reading to see how I feel about him.In post 4403, Alisae wrote:
This is a scumclaim.In post 4334, gerryoat wrote:
Cloud killIn post 4331, Fro99er wrote:
What changed?In post 4330, gerryoat wrote:I think frog could be in the other maf team now
Hey Jae. I think both PV and Garrybote dropped our jumping onto someone for the NK scumtell. Who are we lynching out of the two?-
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ahahahaha Nahdia said this @gerryIn post 4486, Alisae wrote:A player I respect one said the following block of text.
He got it from another player he respects.
Moreso about slips, but the NK part works here as well.I will ALWAYS make the point that pushing on fake slips is a scumtell, in every single game I ever play. Because it's been a very reliable tell for me. I'll let you in on a couple of my other tricks as well; being "excited" about the game when the general mood is depressed or uninterested to the point of wanting to abandon is a scumtell. Claiming an investigative PR and making a lot of content about who you're going to check the following night (especially framing it as an fos ie "For that I'm going to check YOU tonight") is a scumtell. Jumping on people for too quickly commenting on a nightkill is a scumtell. These are all things I will pretty much always points out when they happen, regardless of my alignment.
Scum love having a "justified" vote. Instinctively, they look for a vote where they can lean back on a "factual" basis. A "slip" is a perfect example. When you push on a slip, you're no longer making your own read, you're just saying A therefore B. There is no read, you're presenting it as a fact. And when the person you push flips town, you don't have to defend your "read" being wrong, you can just use that justification you built as a scape-goat. It's what scum subconsciously do ALL THE TIME. Yes, sometimes town will mistakenly think they've found a scumslip. Players like Mathblade are notorious for that kind of play. But as a general rule it's a scum tactic.
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Huh.. I guess we wait for BYF's report then. His play is uberscum though.In post 4494, Alisae wrote:Jae here are the claims.
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Doesn't EM have multiball? I kind of thought it did.In post 4496, gerryoat wrote:
you make me sound useless as town. this game was exciting cause 2 maf teams lol, i've never been in one of these beforeIn post 4491, JaeReed wrote:gerryoat actually doing something in a large way makes me wary of him-
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He actually seems convinced in what he's saying.In post 4505, gerryoat wrote:
how? he didnt even read the last 80 pages. which is why he thought manuel scumread meIn post 4503, JaeReed wrote:PV is doing it in a way that shows belief in what he's saying.
Whether that makes him town or scum doesn't mean much beyond that he actually did believe that was a reason for the kill. He could still be on a scum team that knew he didn't kill manny and looking for a scumflip or pushing on who he believes could have killed him to get a better idea who to shoot at when the time comes. But I believe that he believes in his analysis there which means it's less likely to be the jumping on a nightkill tell. Meaning, he isn't the one who set it up to be that way.-
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@Alisae thoughts?In post 4380, Fro99er wrote:
I think Pere might have just scumslipped that I'm town. From other scum's POV they have no idea I'm town prior to the cloud kill, but after the kill they know I'm town based off how cloud pushed me. I think pere slipped that they were framing town (when they couldn't possibly know at the time) knowing now I'm town.In post 4379, Fro99er wrote:
Other scum would have no idea of my alignment prior to the cloud kill so why are you assume from their point of view they think they are framing a town player??? Because you're other scum and know I'm town?In post 4376, PeregrineV wrote:I have strong doubts that any scum team made a kill decision in order to frame a town player.
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Yeah gerry would be neighborized before the kill.
Does the thread activity here die down later in the US night? I want to reread but don't wanna miss out on too much real-time interaction when I do it.
Activity dying down is this game? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good one.
I'll remember it rereading the first 170 pages.
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Can you explain what you mean by voting patterns?In post 4562, Transcend wrote:
Best non clear townreadsIn post 4555, Fro99er wrote:
I thought Gerry and Yoshi were your strongest town reads.In post 4549, Transcend wrote:That bottom tier is nauseating
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He would have been trying to clear himself as a neighborizer.In post 4572, Alisae wrote:Decided to divebomb Cloudie's ISO.
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In post 4566, ConManMick wrote:Much. I don't buy the neighbourhood shite seems very convenient, and the early game repeatedly being like "this is multiball? What's that?" Etc. When I'm pretty sure in sign ups there was a disclaimer saying "THIS IS MULTIBALL DONT LIKE THEN PISS OFF" etc. Seems like a fake townslip to me. And I just don't like is play in general.
Do either of you have reason to believe gerry would bother reading the rules and the signup stuff?In post 4567, Alisae wrote:
Mick let's also add this to what you're saying.In post 1, inspectorscout wrote:This game is confirmed to be multiball.
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I CAN POST AGAIN!!!!In post 4804, ConManMick wrote:Hey guys,
So the reason I stopped posting last night is I tried to reply to one of Jae's questions and I accidentally PM'd him instead of using the quote function, so I stopped posting pending a decision from Inspectorscout on whether or not I'd have to be replaced. He is OK with me just reposting the PM in game thread so here it is:
Apologies etc. Will catch up shortly.JaeReed wrote:-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony (Day 2)
Date: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:16 am
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To: JaeReed
I assume this was meant to be in the game thread.ConManMick wrote: Subject: Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony (Day 2)
Man I've said all this in the last few posts. I don't like the play with Transcend. I don't like the meta nonsense. I get a bad vibe. I want to lynch this. Please read what I'm actually saying so I don't repeat myself.JaeReed wrote:Neighbour point is null.
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One thing tho
How did you guys lynch Pep and not this:
In post 143, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Not really but it's antitown to vote a mason claim anywayIn post 141, Pepchoninga wrote:Lol you belive his claim?
s oIn post 145, Gamma Emerald wrote:
BlackIn post 20, drealmerz7 wrote:who says there's only 2 teams?
White
Obv 2 teams
b a d
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My computer just restarted and I had the VCs colored from last night when I couldn't post to go over it this morning
Brand.New.Laptop. "We encountered an issue"
I lost my new notes again. I hate my life.
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I don't think Gamma even ended up with a wagon tho, just Jaack voteparking him for a ridiculously long time.-
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Probably scum pocketing both you and Alisae.In post 4965, gerryoat wrote:Jae can you tell me your read on transcend, based on past experience
I misread him in that game where I was a survivor though and my reads there were shit barring the one on you so give or take
which reminds me you said I'm from EM... I'm not lol. I started maf here, went to play some forum maf there, hated the toxicity I saw around the place (specifically it was Jeff railing on Impo that made me give up on ever liking the community), played a bit of chat maf and a bit in the games lobby with Impo and shamu :3-
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I'd rather just lynch him tbh.In post 4981, Fro99er wrote:
This would be my vote for a Jaack shot tonight, if we're doing the voting thing again.In post 4945, Transcend wrote:Let's play a game of
"Whose slot has been more useless"
To play just remove it from the undecided category and into the slot you think has been more useless.
Undecided
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Frog, I think you're more likely to be town. Can we lynch Trans instead? I'm not sold on gerry!scum.-
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Says the person who was scumreading Trans alongside me in Pantheon maf. You said it yourself, Trans would have done something about your wagon by now if he were town. He townread Pep and somehow the lynch still ended up on him.In post 5006, gerryoat wrote:
vote obvious town. but maybe they just cant read transcend as well as i can lol.In post 5003, Alisae wrote:What has Jae done that's scummy to you?
Early game he postured on Alisae in much the same way that he postured regarding me in Sonia's mini normal when I was riding his coattails and people started scumreading me.
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Only time I've played with Zach he was scum and was a shitposting fuck the whole time and unreadable. He had a good entrance here. Frog I think you might be inclined towards omgus right now. The push on you isn't amazing but is it scummy?-
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Yeahhh I'm not up for a Zach lynch today.
Frog those two posts are two diff people, and done slightly differently. I can't really explain it they just feel different. I think you're omgusing.-
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Gerry are you taking into account with your read on Transcend that it's multiball and he'll be doing some scum and townhunting too?
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Alisae I thought I'd be nice and read your case on kuror which I skipped because it was too long and I had other shit to do earlier.... This is a gem.In post 4969, Alisae wrote:Also Kuror0 pro tip: Don't wall if you want to help convince others on reads. It's better to be concise then to wall and not have an arguement you can easily grab.
Also not super convinced by it but that's more because I have a bigger fish to fry. One I'm more confident on.
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Come vote him with me?In post 5046, drealmerz7 wrote:hey I prefer transcend too-
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@Clumsy Alisae is town, please vote elsewhere. Macro level vca suggests that both scum teams d1 had no qualms about Ali being the leading wagon and possible apathy lynch.-
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Because you're the one I know is town on that wagon.In post 5229, Clumsy wrote:Jae, why are you specifically talking to me about this macro VCA? Why not talk to everyone?
I get why you think Ali is scum but she's just badtown. Like this is someone who accidentally outed a doc in a newbie, tried a really bad reaction test in rvs then tr someone for reacting... There's so much shit that she still needs to learn but her play is screaming lynchbait town.
And I'll post colored vcs next day phase maybe. It requires removing all the mods formatting. I looked through the vote counts when I replaced in. Ali was the leading wagon for so long with nothing else exploding out of nowhere and that means she's not on either scum team. Ergo, town.
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Also this guy is scum for the PT check on drealmerz.In post 5230, BigYoshiFan wrote:
Can you vote Alisae then? :3In post 5215, Zachstralkita wrote:Alisae and Fro99 are obvscum I can't believe votes went into Transcend for that
It's either a fakeclaim or his real role. I don't care which but he's scum and I'll direct you to drealmerz first post in the game to prove why he would have checked him if it's a real role as scum.-
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Alisae was actually a highest wagon contender from nearly post 400 to 1k pretty much.In post 5237, Clumsy wrote:
Actually, calling BS on this.In post 5207, JaeReed wrote:@Clumsy Alisae is town, please vote elsewhere. Macro level vca suggests that both scum teams d1 had no qualms about Ali being the leading wagon and possible apathy lynch.
Alisae - [4] drealmerz7, Ramcius, Indigo, BigYoshiFan
That was the biggest the Alisae wagon ever got on D1, and this was early D1. That's L-6. Hardly a leading wagon when we had 3 people get run up to L-2 or L-1, and how is that enough information to suggest that both scum teams had that view? Furthermore, the votes then slid of Alisae like water off a duck's back as the day went on. This was not a leading wagon. This was not in line to be an apathy lynch. And that is not enough information to make that claim. Not to mention that of the people that were on the wagon, one of them is Yoshi who's read has not changed there, and the other was Ramicus, who is me and was a mason. The others that got onto that slot were Drealmerz7, kuror0, Indigo/Elena, and Ironstove/your slot. Are you telling me that that encompasses the entirety of both scum teams?
P-edit: Only if you think that L-6 is a strong leading wagon, and even then, most of D1, they had another wagon tied or 1 vote behind them until things exploded on... my slot I think? I think I was first. Actually, looking back, the first major one was Ironstove. Which then dropped off.
P-edit 2: If he's scum and actually has that role, wouldn't he also be trying to find the other scum team? In fact, if he found someone on the opposite scum team, that would make him look even better.
No, I'm obviously not telling you that encompasses the entirety of both scum teams. That's not what I said. I saidboth scum teams were happy to have Alisae there. It means neither scum team saw fit to save her. They couldn't have cared less about her. That makes her town.
Other wagons came and went, Alisae stayed. Because scum didn't give a fuck about Alisae. Both scumteams were likely reading Ali as lynchbait town and still hunting for each other while being happy to leave Ali as their compromise lynch for later.
It's more beneficial to scum right now to get rid of town, actually. We still have majority. Once town majority is gone a quicklynch on any remaining town PRs can happen.-
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I don't remember any questions. Will iso dive to check now.In post 5241, gerryoat wrote:Jae why did you ignore my questions-
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In post 5211, gerryoat wrote:
where?? he was never in lynch range day 1In post 5207, JaeReed wrote:Macro level vca suggests that both scum teams d1 had no qualms about Ali being the leading wagon and possible apathy lynch.
You mean these?In post 5212, gerryoat wrote:and who are both scum teams
Just being one of the higher contending wagons makes her in lynch range D1. Especially when it held for so long. I feel like it's obvious.
As for the second, it's a stupid and pointless question. I'm not good enough to say "X, Y, Z are on black and A, B, C are on white" without having flips from both sides and having read the thread in full, and quite frankly people who do that are arrogant.-
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That was me telling you to look at it. Stop being lazy and click on page one yourself. It's not hard.In post 5245, gerryoat wrote:
i'm also curious on thisIn post 5240, BigYoshiFan wrote:
Please do.In post 5234, JaeReed wrote:
Also this guy is scum for the PT check on drealmerz.In post 5230, BigYoshiFan wrote:
Can you vote Alisae then? :3In post 5215, Zachstralkita wrote:Alisae and Fro99 are obvscum I can't believe votes went into Transcend for that
It's either a fakeclaim or his real role. I don't care which but he's scum and I'll direct you to drealmerz first post in the game to prove why he would have checked him if it's a real role as scum.-
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I have not once said anything about the micro level composition of the wagon and quite frankly you're bad for trying to make it about that.In post 5249, gerryoat wrote:
So: Dreal who you think is town based on the yoshi scumread, Mason, Elena who is voting your wagon, BYFIn post 5242, JaeReed wrote:Alisae - [4] drealmerz7, Ramcius, Indigo, BigYoshiFan
What's wrong with this wagon fypov Jae?
I have stated my thoughts on the macro level as clearly as I can. If you don't get it, reread it until you understand the difference.-
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In post 5333, Transcend wrote:
Tone and progression. Outing the masons. Blah blah.In post 5330, Clumsy wrote:In post 5058, Transcend wrote:Alisae lynch could be promising as I'm not too happy with him today and I've been waffly about him, but i want the Zach slot ran up.
You already said that. Expand upon why you're not happy with him today and why you're waffly on him.In post 5322, Transcend wrote:Haven't been happy with him today and was waffly on him rest of game with a slight lean on townAlisae as a VT. Outing PRs isn't really a scum tell. Town are more likely to fuck up like that unless it was an attempt to signal the other team who to kill. In which case Clumsy would be dead imo.
You're better than that. You know outing PRs isn't a scum tell.
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The last time you did this kind of dismissal of me you were scum.In post 5361, Transcend wrote:No I'm not scum jr but you can do what you do best aka lead the town into turmoil unless you get fed guilties
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I'm saying dismissing me with that bullshit instead of trying to show me how I'm wrong doesn't help and just allows me to confbias if you're actually town here.
If you really wanted town to win you wouldn't be so fucking quiet as a vt when your townreads get run up. Discuss this thought with me.
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No, but I wanted to give him a chance to interact with me while I tried to keep an open mind, and unvoting is a method of showing him I'm willing to discuss. I also figured I may as well read the thread fully first and get my notes back in order.In post 5382, Alisae wrote:
Um Jae? What did you think was going to happen, someone was going to lolhammer when Trans is at L-2? There really isn't any reason to unvote here if you still want to put pressure on them.In post 5378, JaeReed wrote:I'm saying dismissing me with that bullshit instead of trying to show me how I'm wrong doesn't help and just allows me to confbias if you're actually town here.
If you really wanted town to win you wouldn't be so fucking quiet as a vt when your townreads get run up. Discuss this thought with me.
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Check: Alisae.
Decided vigging Yoshi is stupid since we can just lynch him when he's proven fake.
Vig: Transcend
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I feel like you're not pushing your scumreads as much as usual, especially over your trs being wagoned. It feels a lot like you're trying to avoid stepping on toes to not get crosskilled tbh.-
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Bullshit ones yes but I expected something like your continued push on rb. I know you're capable of strongarming the town to get the lynch off your TRs so why haven't you done that?-
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This is a rainbow list of bullshit that Trans posted early D1.In post 408, Transcend wrote:Disclaimer: This is another reads list, the mod did not edit any of this post.
gerryoat- I think Gerry's pretty much conf!town here. IMO his 318 is a townslip. Scum!Gerry is capable of faking this, but 1. Gerry likes to own the town as scum, and this is a cheap tactic that I don't think he'd use to town himself. 2. He was the 18th and final slot to hammer the game, and might not have read that the game was multiball as opposed to the earlier people who joined the game.
drealmerz7- I didn't find dreal's 5 opportunistic at all. I was kinda hoping for an RVS wagon of some kind to really get the gears going for this game, but he prevented that. Regardless, I still strongly believe his tone and progression through the game are genuine.
Gamma Emerald- Pretty solid town right now. Feel good about his tone as well. Don't agree with his current vote, but that doesn't change my opinion of his alignment.
Indigo- Also had a towny intro, and I am beginning more and more to like his points against Alisae.
BigYoshiFan- At first didn't like his lack of progression through the game, wasn't too keen on the stove vote, but I'm very keen for his points on Pep in 313. Others may disagree, but I don't mind his vote hopping at all.
Jaack- I kinda agree with his points on Ramcius, but gun to head Ram is going to be a mislynch. But imo his vote was by no means a stretch.
ironstove- I wish this slot would do something more substantial, but I actually do like him boosting my vote up. IDK if he scumread Yoshi at the time or not, but he was actively encouraging the wagon to rise when Yoshi wasn't doing anything.
kuror0- I feel he genuinely got sick in 283. While this isn't a super strong alignment tell, I can believe he got sick because of all the nauseating shitposting that even I thought was a bit extreme.
Ramcius- Gut town. Maybe it's his tone, idk. Not feeling scum here.
LemonTree, PeregrineV, Pine- All of these are dead nulls.
Manuel87- Manuel refers to me as town here. I'm not sure if he townreads me here or if he just doesn't want me to play stupid this time. Regardless part of me thinks he might have read the game and didn't offer any content. He's a weak scumread for now until he responds to this.
Alisae- I liked his early play, but recently the tone of his posts has been ew. Didn't like his 334 and I wasn't enthused by his response to my question in 339
ConManMick- Nothing substantial from this slot, and I didn't like his stove vote. It felt opportunistic.
PenguinPower- Has admitted to reading the game, but offered nothing of substance.
Pepchoninga- Indigo said something about scum inflating their post count to look good, but I didn't really agree with it, but this guy I do. Continuous lines of unhelpful filler which is usually not alignment indicative, and not why I'm voting him. The reason I'm voting him is for 3 reasons. 1. He's still voting his RVS vote when we're clearly past that stage. 2. He acknowledged that ironstove was scummy in 300 but no vote to follow. 3. In 398 Pep responds to the person he's voting upset that they're voting him. To me it looks like Pep is playing more defensive than actually attempting to get scum lynched.
PEDIT: I'll read the Manuel post later lol
He's scum. Transcend is more concerned with staying alive and keeping his buddies alive than with preventing mislynches and finding both teams.
Alisae has been evaluating the game at every turn in a way that newbscum just can't do. It's too nuanced.-
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Did you read his reasonings for the reads? The reads are bad, but the reasoning is scummy. It's half-assed faffy bullshit. A few posts after that Manuel even pointed out that you had a good point about Gamma (confirmed scum) so you shouldn't have been so low with Gamma so high.In post 5504, Alisae wrote:I know trans is scum, but where's the bullshit?
I don't feel like breaking apart the reasons his reasoning is awful in a way that's scum indicative but it just is. Read it and look back at the pages prior and the content in the game up to that point and come to your own conclusion on it.-
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Not yet, young one.In post 5514, Alisae wrote:Jae I also find it wierd and awkward you haven't done your ranger reads yet.
You should do those.
Next day phase once I've read up everything and have my shit & notes together.
You're town, d7 is probably town. Transcend is definitely scum. BYF is maybe Transcend's partner, but possibly just wrong.
Elena and Frogger are probably town.
I didn't like Zach's suggestion to vig me, but that's entirely gut based, it just felt slimy as fuck. His entrance to the game was still good and believable, and his play is different to his scum play that I've seen so far.
In any case, I'm pushing scum with you, so you should worry about reading me tomorrow and whether I'm on the opposite scum team then, after Transcend's flip, rather than right now. I know what you're thinking, just hold on to it for now, k?-
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@Clumsy so you'd want Alisae in the vig pool despite him being the top voted "check" target right now?-
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I care, because you're fucking obvtown and this wagon is bullshit. I am actually willing to lynch just about anyone else to keep you alive at this point, that's how fucking confident I am that you're town. Pretty much anyone else has a higher chance of flipping scum. So stop being defeatist, because it's not helping.
We can't really afford another mislynch right now. Town actually needs to lynch scum to win, or did you all forget that?-
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Looking through the start of Elena's ISO I'm not finding anything that jumps out to me as particularly scummy or towny. Shit reads but meh.
BYF/Trans are the remainder's on Cloud's team imo. BYF pretending to take the claim seriously is him trying to make Ali look scummy when quite frankly it was an obvious fake to show how no one would even re-evaluate if theywerea PR.-
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