Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[petapan]

VOTE: redff

i remember you

[petapan]

VOTE: cakez

this is so sad

[petapan]

one day I'll watch an anime

dont

[petapan]

Morning Tweet voting unvoting and voting again in the same post feels performative.

i actually sort of agree with the way she wrote up that post it is kind of strange.
it wasn't like she quoted a bunch of posts and then at bottom did unvote.
It was top here i vote no wait unvote, then quotes.
Its actually a weird way to write up that post if she is reading and changing her mind mid read through because it implies she had already read it all and then quoted it after.

Or maybe tweet is weird like that and is having difficulty with the slightly different multiquote button

feels like she's trying to be too serious over content that doesn't really warrant it

[petapan]

I don't think peta's very townie at all fwiw but I hope you're right

didn't you read, he's only saying that to pocket me

[petapan]

I don't think scum me could pocket u petapan.
But oh boy does that sound like a great challenge

*writes this down for future reference*

its not that hard im pretty shit at town

[petapan]

Now I ask to be named king of this thread. I have already taken over the scum PT by spamming it to death while DATISI forever in how long he takes to start games, sat idly by.

I have a feeling this is something that actually happened

I misread this as Fire spamming the word DATISI initially

I don't wanna be too focused furtive, but I'm concerned with the level of fluff not going down at any point, I think it makes it easy for mafia and he is posting too much but nothing is game advancing content.

the game has been open for less than 6 hours

[petapan]

I agree with Petapan, but I don't necessarily think it's a scum tell. I've been guilty of trying to move past the early game joke phase in this way before

peta hates content

yeah i'm scared this valuable discussion will out my scumteam

[petapan]

petapan u can't claim scum. I copyrighted that shit on page 2.

yeah but i'm doing it ironically

[petapan]

watch furtive replacing into this game
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=23&t=90243&user_select%5B%5D=36433
and this one
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=3&t=90239&user_select%5B%5D=36433
and this brilliant showing
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=90287&user_select%5B%5D=36433

I don't see that guy just coming in here and not making a read. I never saw him play as mafia before so IDK what to expect but maybe this is it?

okay. I wanna stop talking about this subject for now but ask me anything

are you seriously posting two 1000+ post replace ins as a comp to this game

do you not have an inkling of why his play might be different between the two

[petapan]

where are Aristeia and Peta at
suspiciously absent from my reads so far

i don't thread camp on a friday night

[petapan]

i feel like i have a good town pool and a good scum pool and like nothing in between this game

what are those supposed to be

[petapan]

speak for yourself mate^

absolutely horrid avatar bring back watson

[petapan]

luckily i'm not playing to give you feelings

[petapan]

UNVOTE: redFF

I'm no longer convinced he's racist against Dwarves.

Interesting case against Gimli though. There were lots of people posting early and no one was really advancing the game, yet for some reason he only picked on furtive

i find this post moderately scummy

I will say the "reads" other posters were making came across as jokes to me. Is a joke read better than no read at all?

games here start jokey and get more serious as the day goes on, imo even frivolous discussion eventually leads way to analysis and sometimes scum get caught out trying to blend in poorly

Well it's a very good read of my intentions by Klick. Maybe informed makes you get there easier. Am I so cryptic? I don't actually suspect Ari I kind of just wanted to get that bit about the fun/whimsy out of my system it's been bugging me.

You're also no longer a good vote IMO x3

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Klick

hrm

[petapan]

Its weird for u to go:
"No FB I am 100% right about how MT is posting and thinking and how you should analyze these posts" and at same breath go "But MT is null"....like i guess ur just saying u have her personality square pegged....great. What u r trying to go from none of this is alignment telling to this is alignment posting from MT. Or are you just not yet in serious mode.

Why am I the serious one here.

wow, major carefail

[petapan]

I kind of think Gimli believes in what he's saying even if I'm not really feeling his furtive push

i think it's a bad case but i've settled on it not being the type of thing scum usually pushes

[petapan]

wow, major carefail

What

what do u mean carefail

ur care and its fail + cringe

[petapan]

Sorry for ruining the game by ending it so early because my reads are that good

{Datisi}

{FireKinger, SirCakez, Taly, VP Baltar}

{Alisae, Aristeia, Gimli, Morning Tweet, Mistyx}

{Asri Teroka, Lycanfire, petapan}

{Black, CSF}

{Klick, redFF}

{My new avatar}

Black could have endgamed in a historic win but I had to stop that

How in the hell could you put Datisi as townie

datisi is literally never town

[petapan]

VOTE: asri

I slept on this and I feel like asri not being able to give actual reasons to why they hard town read someone doesn't make a lot of sense coming from town. I mean, sure, gut townread someone early game for vibes or whatever, but a hard town read? Nah.

VOTE: vp baltar

how is vp still alive, how is the game still open, how did he not instantly receive 9 votes for this post

[petapan]

i think it's inuitive in that he believes he can make a really bad nonsense case on the gimmick account for not explaining a read

or maybe it's TMI sure idk anything's possible

[petapan]

Asri has already been pretty clear that they don't want to elaborate further; I don't think further pressure to make that happen is very productive

I think they should have some time to do their thing

I mean, it's not a pressure vote. I think it's pretty scummy, trying to fit in behavior. There is no curiosity or sense of trying to figure the game out here. Just absolute certainty in reads.

This one trusts Fire and Furtive, likes Red, Klick and hasn't had reason to not like Sir Cakez. There are others that this one might place above the previous three but this one is not naming their names, as this one doesn't like to be fooled and rather trusts its first impressions now.

This one doesn't like to be forced, it will not expand!

This one can leave this mortal coil!

i don't believe this is at all genuine from baltar, he's focusing on something simplistic to push on that doesn't have any actual connection to whether the person is scum

[petapan]

Spoiler: VP pushing Asri

VOTE: asri

I slept on this and I feel like asri not being able to give actual reasons to why they hard town read someone doesn't make a lot of sense coming from town. I mean, sure, gut townread someone early game for vibes or whatever, but a hard town read? Nah.

This one trusts both our sire the majestic and radiant Herald of Flame, as well as He Who is Furtive

They can do no wrong in this one's eyes and this shall remain unchanged!

The one who Klicks and Red feel wholesome as well.

Why do you townread them?

This one feels our King and the Glancer are loyal, and still does!
Klick and Red do seem good for now?


This one has also taken a great liking to Sir of the Cakez, but is greatly unsure about voting on the Morn Tweeter.

This sums it up.

Townreads both Firebringer and furtive to the point of saying "they can do no wrong". So I'm like "hmm, that seems strong for pretty early."

I ask why, and Asri just says they don't have a reason.

It feels like if those two are town, it's a very safe position for scum to take, especially with fireb

This one trusts Fire and Furtive, likes Red, Klick and hasn't had reason to not like Sir Cakez. There are others that this one might place above the previous three but this one is not naming their names, as this one doesn't like to be fooled and rather trusts its first impressions now.

This one doesn't like to be forced, it will not expand!

This one can leave this mortal coil!

Scum would feel exposed pushing town!Asri like this

laffo

[petapan]

redff is funny leave him alone

[petapan]

Baltar and Black were strange. This is not sure if such strangness deserves a vote?

who does seem worthy of a vote, asri

[petapan]

redff is funny leave him alone

No

VOTE: redFF

What's your read on the thread?

i don't know what that means

[petapan]

I understand this perspective. I never said my reads were any good. I've openly questioned my own reads even. None of them have been strong enough to do anything with. I mostly want to keep discussion going and analyze things as they go since I don't have much history to work with

don't worry about your reads being 'good' if you're town, it's more about making your overall thought process visible to others so they can understand where you're coming from, i think that's what alisae was getting it

[petapan]

What if CSF, Klick and petapan are all scum

then you've already lost

is this a serious thought you had in your head or an idle musing

[petapan]

I don't like VPB votes.
But i don't feel like pushing against it and arguing VPB is town
Cause I don't have any town arguments for VPB.

What a conundrum i am in.

Gamestate counts.

For instance, I can't see why Klick is being given a free ride and VP hounded when Klick's posts are a lot worse to me

why are klick's posts "worse" to you? i don't think what they've posted is remotely comparable, but then your whole reason for townreading vpb is because his case on the gimmick alt is shit

[petapan]

i don't believe this is at all genuine from baltar, he's focusing on something simplistic to push on that doesn't have any actual connection to whether the person is scum

You're literally trying to make the argument against me that I'm making to Asri...reads that disconnected from substance and true belief.

You fucking with me here?

"you too" is not a convincing defense, nor is what i'm saying remotely similar to you

your argument is that asri refusing to explain their reads makes them scum who is faking opinions

i don't think this is a remotely correct tell and in the case of a clear gimmick alt is likely intentionally stylistic. i don't find it super endearing but someone refusing to explain their reads in the early game certainly isn't a scumtell and you've played enough to know that

this doesn't particularly make asri town, however your case looks like one scum would make


your two pushes so far are downright horrendous in their reasoning, borderline nonsensical, and look significantly more like scum stretching to make irrelevant things look scummy because you can't make a real case

[petapan]

What if CSF, Klick and petapan are all scum

then you've already lost

is this a serious thought you had in your head or an idle musing

Serious

Do you think you're towny rn?

i'm not out of scum range but i'm rarely going to be, however i'm sure whatever reason you have for scumreading me is dumb as fuck

[petapan]

oh yeah my hot take is that furtive's handling of taly might be scummy but im nowhere near confident on that just all the "if you dont see taly is obvtown you're openwolfing" felt overblown

him sussing Black when he didn't didn't feel like a move scum would make, i think scum see a player like that typically and surrender the read where town are going to be paranoid and less trusting and get into the weeds more

[petapan]

Setting aside ranges, would you have normally done more as town than just shade VP?

i'm insulted at the implication my arguments amount to "shade"

but also no i'm going to press at what interests me i'm not interested in performing towniness and discuss reads when i feel they're relevant

[petapan]

What if CSF, Klick and petapan are all scum

I'd probably feel really bad for petapan lol

i've dragged worse scumteams to victory

[petapan]

I don't use shade in a dismissive way, it's similar to 'push' or 'case' for me

i don't think they carry the same weight as verbs whatsoever, but semantic distinction aside, is your belief that because i have a narrow range of focus on the game so far, i am mafia?

[petapan]

Sorry for massive quote, I'm on mobile. Petapan's progression on Black makes no sense. Calls him scummy, advises him as if he's town (with awkward phrase 'if you're town'), then towncases me for scumreading Black, again treating the slot as town.

i disliked that post however not enough to vote him for it and he's a new player to the site who is obviously experiencing a bit of awkwardness so i'm going to extend a basic level of courtesy and answer the question he asked about typical game flow

like where in your book do i, because i found a prior post by him suspect, have to not answer a totally harmless question he asked afterward?

i'm not treating black as town when i talk about your read on him, his alignment is basically irrelevant to what i am saying because it's relevant to you and your thought process and how you're approaching the game

i don't have a strong read on black

[petapan]

petapan is something up ur butt.
i read ur posts like they are full of rage.

i'm being snarky because i (correctly) anticipated fg scumreading me for poorly thought out reasons but i'm not that annoyed, i swear

i'm just having a chat

[petapan]

Sorry for massive quote, I'm on mobile. Petapan's progression on Black makes no sense. Calls him scummy, advises him as if he's town (with awkward phrase 'if you're town'), then towncases me for scumreading Black, again treating the slot as town.

i disliked that post however not enough to vote him for it and he's a new player to the site who is obviously experiencing a bit of awkwardness so i'm going to extend a basic level of courtesy and answer the question he asked about typical game flow

like where in your book do i, because i found a prior post by him suspect, have to not answer a totally harmless question he asked afterward?

i'm not treating black as town when i talk about your read on him, his alignment is basically irrelevant to what i am saying because it's relevant to you and your thought process and how you're approaching the game

i don't have a strong read on black

No, it is relevant. When considering what I would do as scum, you assumed Black would be town, not considering us both being Mafia. You said scum would be likely to let the slot be townread rather than push it. That treats the slot as town (without directly acknowledging it).

lmao

[petapan]

i also don't think you're scum together because scum seeing their partner getting read that way doesn't try to case them unless they're gamethrow tier bad, the thought is not worth considering

ultimately though the whole thing boils down to the fact i believe your suspicion of black is genuine, this isn't really a complicated thought nor is it dependent on black's alignment


there are you happy would you like a lollipop

[petapan]

petapan is something up ur butt.
i read ur posts like they are full of rage.

i'm being snarky because

i (correctly) anticipated fg scumreading me

for poorly thought out reasons but i'm not that annoyed, i swear

i'm just having a chat

since which point? My readslist with you as null?

since the post where you said you were supicious of me but didn't explain why

you're cutting out the "for poorly thought out reasons" clause that is kind of important

[petapan]

there are you happy would you like a lollipop

can i have one

[petapan]

None of this is making me think petapan is town. Why don't you case someone other than Baltar? I'll give you some townpoints when you do

[petapan]

wow that lolipop even comes with some free dirt.
Thanks petapan!

i feel like talking about blacks scumread of ari.
But there isn't much to talk about.
Its the first thing from black i don't like.
I guess that is worth mentioning at least.

Maybe i will have to wait to see if anything i like comes from it.

i think the characterization of ari as fluff/no substance is inaccurate but i can see a player unfamiliar with the playstyle scumreading ari for it. or conversely a scum player thinking she'd be a good push. the possibilities contain multitudes or smth

[petapan]

alisae is givine me seriously bad vibes and their posting is super sinister to me so

Which posts

it's mostly gut but i will try explaining my thoughts. generally aristeia is seems like they are trying to assert control over the town and be seen as a leading presence. there's been a lot of talk about their own playstyle, doling out advice. to me, it feels performative in a "look how much thought i'm putting into the game" kind of way.

i think 316 is an odd post dropping so many townreads so early, with their 3rd post of the game. feels like an attempt to hard establish themselves as a town player putting deep thought into the game. but really its just calling a bunch of people light townreads which is the easiest thing in the world to do for scum.

this is okay, don't really see the case on Ari but for someone who hasn't played a mafia game in 8 yearsit's a decent thought

i think people were getting on redff's case too much for trolling/shitposting in the early game and i feel like there are big error bars there for a player who hasn't played in a long time

tbh i think regardless of his alignment he was probbly targeted early game by scum?? because someone playing like that either looks like an easy miselim or someone you dont want on your team

[petapan]

I'm not saying "you too"

I'm saying you can't seriously expect someone to take you as credible when you're literally making essentially the same argument as a reason to call me bad.

You can call me "horrendous" for making thin pushes in early game ... but what do you expect cases to be at this point in a large game?

I don't think my reasoning of scum faking townreads for malarkey reasons WHICH HAPPENS IN LITERALLY EVERY GAME EVER is "horrendous" in the slightest. Thin, sure. Bad, not even close.

Assessing people's reasoning for townreads is actually quite effective at finding who has legit lines of thought and who doesn't, and you definitely know this.

If this is you trying to pressure me to get a read, that's not really how to sort me. If you're telling me you legit believe this is scummy behavior...well

"i'm not saying you too i'm just saing you're making the same argument"

like ???

by definition any early game push is thin but you didn't act like it was thin, you acted with a really disproportionate confidence. and the problem with this is i don't actually think you tried to assess asri's reasoning for their townreads, you just went "okay you can't answer me you're clearly fake die"

which, like, isn't how the game works and doesn't come across as actually attempting to assess asri's alignmnt

like i've been saying, surface level

[petapan]

i think people were getting on redff's case too much for trolling/shitposting in the early game and i feel like there are big error bars there for a player who hasn't played in a long time

u didn't push a single person who was on my case for trolling/shitposting.
WOW

Also i don't think redff is just trolling right now. I vibe scum it. If this is all u got for redff not scum. I want better.

that's because it was funny to have everyone bullying you obviously

idk, not saying i'm super confident in the read at all but i don't feel like pushing redff right now. i obviously don't think he's trolling anymore, he got serious with his posts. why do you vibe it scum?

[petapan]

Actually, should we powerlim CSF

I'm torn

why did you scumread her, her posting is mostly null with some very slight town bits

[petapan]

Actually, should we powerlim CSF

I'm torn

why did you scumread her, her posting is mostly null with some very slight town bits

basically for this, I found reasons to townread most other players

i highly doubt you're good enough to solve the game by POE this quickly into Day 1 and in all likelihood are falsesly clearing some people for shallow reasons

[petapan]

So my confidence is the problem here, not the reasoning?

As a side note, is anyone else having issues just snipping quotes on mobile? Used to be able to highlight the text I want and click quote to only get that, but now I seem to get the full quote regardless...which is annoying for everyone.

there's a button that pops up now rather than it working through the quote button, i dunno if it works on mobile tho

anyway i find the reasoning problematic but your projected confidence level doesn't really match with your defense where you seem to be downplaying that a lot

[petapan]

I will certainly admit to regularly expressing more confidence in things than i actually have as a way of reaction testing and seeing how people respond. I feel like you've played with me enough to know this, which is what makes me skeptical you aren't reaction testing me.

But at this point, you've doubled down enough to say you're serious, so I'm not entirely sure what to make of that. It seems disingenuous from you.

Let's look at this from a different angle, do you townread asri right now?

i don't make pushes i don't believe in

i don't townread asri. they're entirely null. if i wanted i could try to discern some type of read on their posting so far but i don't really care to. i would not be shocked at them flipping either way right now

[petapan]

ohh so the classic mod guessing of not all my neighbors can be town thing.
i wouldn't put it past datisi to make it all town.
but interesting

when has datisi EVER trolled his players with a setup

[petapan]

i'll wait to see what lycanfire posts when he catches up

[petapan]

imagine the hood both exists and is all scum.
I could see datisi doing that too!

What is this even based on...

viewtopic.php?p=12749054#p12749054

[petapan]

Klick is plus town for hood paranoia disclosure. Scum would be unlikely to do that this early in the game.

agree yes think every time i've seen an early hood claim it's been from town

[petapan]

only have time to check my mentions right now back later

Ari's posts have gotten better but I'm still not sure about her. Day 1, first game on the site will probably be the time I'm least confident in my scumreads. I will improve. The fact that no one else seems too concerned with Ari being a wolf makes me less confident in my read

i think most people here are familiar with ari's playstye so that's probably why. don't have too strong a read on her myself, slight townlean off a few things she's said

ok how would you characterize Ari then

she's playing like ari i think to that point she had a few stances she made clear even if it wasn't super fleshed out, like i don't really want to do a point by point on this

[petapan]

okay ya i don't think my read really changes.

I can't identify Peta's agenda if he's a wolf so I'm happy to call it town for now. Still something that's being played out in the moment though. His VP push doesn't seem like a push that comes from a wolf so far?

I was mainly asking because you mentioned you said he was easy to read.

What do you think of 710? I thought this was pretty townie, but I was going off of tone. I'm not XxTonereader420xX so my opinion probably means shit.

why is tht post towny

[petapan]

Spoiler:

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

Do you plan to vote someone at some point here at the very least?

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

Why are you being tentative?

This is the second time you've talked about voting me and haven't done it.

i feel like there's a nonzero chance asri and baltar are scum together

[petapan]

i know ari is making a big deal about cakez but i can see cakez having a bad dumb read he refuses to let go of as town and i'm not sure he approaches scum with the mentality of hardtunneling a player for fun

hi im playing pokemon but i caught up

VOTE: Ari

wanna go here rn i think decent odds this is scum struggling to make serious content

this vote is actually scummy though

[petapan]

cakes is mafia or a moron

What about Mistyx.
I think her vote just now was particularly egregious

i swear i posted that without reading that last firebringer post, i'm not trying to pocket him

[petapan]

i thought cakez was visibly riding the struggle bus in holiday dance party in a way that hasn't shown up in this game but i'll review i guess

[petapan]

Spoiler: Mild furtive case

I'm getting bad vibes from furtive after finally giving myself time to ISO him. There is some correlation here with my minor suspicions of Ari, and now I'm not so sure about Fire.

actually yeah I think [Aristeia's] early progression on Fire was towny

This is furtive's most recent comment, and what led me to do the ISO in the first place. He made this revelation after I questioned him about his reaction to SirCakes voting for Aristeia (#638). Furtive came running to Ari's defense in #638 once SirCakes voted for her for "having 0 town posts in her entire ISO" (#611). This was the first time Furtive has communicated any reads on Ari, even though he was given the chance to earlier in the game. I'll get to that in a second. But first I want to emphasize here that Furtive's reasoning for calling SirCake's vote "unfair" is that Ari in fact

did

have a town post in her ISO, and it was her first post in the game, during the joke phase: #66

This is the only town post Furtive can reference in all of Ari's ISO? This leads me to the beginning of the game. Furtive got some pretty unjustified heat for not providing any reads, but when he defended himself, he said he didn't have any: #282. Here Furtive says he "didn't have anything to comment on" and "if I see something I'll say something." We now know he thought the Ari vote on Fire was towny, so why wouldn't he say something about it here? His only read in #282 is that his initial vote against Fire was serious and that "Fire would enjoy posting like that more as scum than town." Keep in mind here that Furtive admits he thinks Fire is kind of scummy.

Furtive's next notable move is to switch his vote from Fire to the Klick wagon in #303. Furtive's vote is the 4th vote on the wagon Klick wagon, which was started by Fire, followed by Aristeia and Morning Tweet. The scumread against Klick was essentially non-existent and boiled down to Klick guessing MT's intentions correctly. It's strange to me that Furtive would vote Klick here, especially considering he should have gotten a townread from Klick from #81. Furtive thinks Ari's vote on Fire was towny, but not Klick's?

You know who else voted for Fire early? RedFF, in #86. What's notable here is that both Klick and redFF appear at the very bottom of Furtive's Scum List. Aristeia is in the middle of the list, despite Furtive admitting recently that he had a townread on her from her Fire vote. I'm confused why Furtive didn't townread Klick and RedFF for their Fire votes. And Fire, interestingly enough, is at the top of the list, despite Furtive being suspicious of him earlier. The only thing that changed was Fire's weak case against Klick. That was apparently enough to move Fire from the bottom of the list to the top?

Furtive's Scum List:

Sorry for ruining the game by ending it so early because my reads are that good

{Datisi}

{FireKinger, SirCakez, Taly, VP Baltar}

{Alisae, Aristeia, Gimli, Morning Tweet, Mistyx}

{Asri Teroka, Lycanfire, petapan}

{Black, CSF}

{Klick, redFF}

{My new avatar}

Black could have endgamed in a historic win but I had to stop that

I don't like this flip on Fire, especially when both Fire and Furtive have openly discussed how Fire would play as scum. And it just so happens Fire is actually playing that way. Bold is my emphasis:

I don't know - I had thoughts, my vote on Firebringer wasn't a joke, but it's not the strongest read either -

just that I think he would enjoy posting like that more as scum than town

. Whether or not I 'go hard' also can depend on my current mood and schedule as well

We would all do better to take an internet forum game less seriously. I approve of this mentality.
I can also vibe with the not letting team down thing,

its the only thing that kind of sucks about playing scum. But then I eventually figure my team wants to have more fun than to win or at least they should. So then i don't feel so bad about when im playing bad as scum

if everyone took my philisophy of playing mafia and just ran with it.
Everyone would enjoy the game.

But then the number of scum claiming in games would probably break the game

and we would all be hunting players who try to even pretend to be townie. Would either be horrifying or interesting to see.

I found these three comments interesting. Furtive admits that Fire would enjoy posting the way he did at the beginning of the game moreso if he were scum. And Fire admits that he doesn't like to let his team down when playing scum, but that his team would rather have fun than win, so he still feels good about doing things like scumclaiming as scum. In the second quote from Fire, he's saying more people would enjoy the game if they scumclaimed as scum. If Fire eventually flips wolf (which, again, I'm not sure of and it probably depends on furtive's/Ari's alignment), this will be read as Fire trying to excuse his early game actions.

Furtive's next big move is to leave the Klick wagon in #590 and vote for redFF, conveniently right after Fire abandons it in #502 to also vote for redFF.

tis i, Radiance

Scumclaim Radiance. Nice.

Klick you're looking radiant

You like to mention Radiant a lot. Is it on your mind from your role PM?

Which Hollow Knight characters do people think are mafia

Are we even allowed to talk about it

I don't like this comment

MT is Town Taly that vote sucks!

I don't like this either. How are you so sure?

Klick is maf, all town wagon, game solved D1

Talking to the town here eh? Trying to get them to wagon Klick off of a swiss-cheese argument?

All of these things, combined with the gut feelings I get from some of his other comments, have made furtive is my top wolf candidate. If I end up being right about this, my attention will turn to Ari and Fire.

VOTE: furtiveglance

okay, so. i think a post like this mostly allays any doubts/concerns i had about black and for a player who's probably at least a little rusty i'm willing to write them off as town for efforting like this. i'm less sold on the contents of the case. (btw, Black, people complain about long posts but imo spoiler tagging things is giving people an invitation to skip a post, many skim the thread and won't click just my 2 cents)

first of all, "There is some correlation here with my minor suspicions of Ari" immediately makes me doubt the accuracy of this because it's tying things to a player who probably isn't scum, in general doing stuff making these associative cases is pretty low accuracy because you can get hung up on incidental stuff, and if one of your targets is town often the whole thing falls apart. that type of case usually comes more often from town who are overzealous though i think

to start with i think saying 66 was the only post furtive was calling town is unfair, when he says "the early push on firebringer" he clearly means the subsequent posts, not just the vote (and if you read for context you'd know it was fairly serious)

you're making a big deal out of a lot w/r/t furtive not saying anything about ari in the early game, there's a lot of a possibilities where maybe he noticed the post but didn't think it was worth saying anything due to it being a minor townlean, or maybe the read wasn't apparent to him then but was upon review

Furtive thinks Ari's vote on Fire was towny, but not Klick's?

this in particular is uncharitable, ari going after firebringer had substance to it (she thought him claiming scum had substance and kept pressing on it), klick didn't really have much follow through

and then with a lot of the latter stuff i think you're completely missing that the tone of those posts is supposed to be pretty flippant, doesn't really add up to him being scum


idk i want to give you a passing grade for effort but i think the case is very uncharitable to furtive's play

[petapan]

Literally why is anyone townreading Asri. Idgi

admittedly that is really mysterious

[petapan]

okay

do you want to elaborate or do you have any questions for me

His reads have been developing naturally. If you want something in particular, I think his read and treatment of me comes from town. I also just played with scum!Klick, and this doesn't feel like it.

i had thought this as well but i only half pay attention to games i'm modding, seems a lot freer than he did in that game

[petapan]

VOTE: lycanfire

generically underwhelming, seemed a bit more focused on joking around when he caught up rather than developing real opinions

not a strong case but the hood stuff does generally suggest probably scum in there

i think ari's case on cakez is more emotion based on him for shitpushing her but i can still see him being town where with lycan it's just kind of nothing so far

[petapan]

@Ari - like I'm very stuck up on that absurd post where you blew a gasket at me because I made like two posts saying you were scummy and should be wagoned

that feels like it's downplaying the content of those posts, you came on pretty strong in those two posts

[petapan]

Spoiler:

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

Do you plan to vote someone at some point here at the very least?

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

Why are you being tentative?

This is the second time you've talked about voting me and haven't done it.

i feel like there's a nonzero chance asri and baltar are scum together

Peta cannot be town with this logic. Flip asri

lmao

i mean there's literally no logic there but your going after asri is an unconvincing slapfight and asri doesn't seem to want to push you back

[petapan]

@Ari - like I'm very stuck up on that absurd post where you blew a gasket at me because I made like two posts saying you were scummy and should be wagoned

that feels like it's downplaying the content of those posts, you came on pretty strong in those two posts

okay I did but Ari has literally made the entirety of her game since then based pretty much only on pushing back on me and getting people to wagon me since then.

yeah because you pissed her off

[petapan]

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

The fact that peta is using this as evidence when it was a punctuation error by asri shows he is not actually making arguments in good faith here.

lol dude i provided literally 0 explanation and you extrapolated this from it, the meaning was perfectly clear to me, asri is saying they won't vote just because you push them to do it. they're remarkably tepid in the face of your tunnel but they don't actually seem to be trying to sort you

[petapan]

yeah because you pissed her off

Not a good excuse for tunneling. It doesn't benefit the town to act this way if she is town

yeah but people are human

i believe that ari believes cakez is scum, or at least wants to believe he's scum

[petapan]

My own take on the cakez wagon is that I kind of like what ari is saying, and that meta read doesn't seem crazy to me. Cakez is not great at scum from what I've seen (I love you cakez!), though others on this site seem to be able to vibe him much better than me.

If ari is town, the wagon comp isn't terrible either outside asri, which could be bussing if cakez flipped scum.

lmfao

[petapan]

that is such a fucking scummy post

[petapan]

my reads on about half the game feel very murky and underdeveloped but let me try

{Aristeia, furtiveglance, Klick} - i think with reasonable confidence these people are town

{Black} - i think they're town with very slight reservations

{redFF, SirCakez} - i kind of think they're town for reasons that aren't amazing but gut says not scum

{Morning Tweet, Cat Scratch Fever, Alisae, Taly) - these are all players who are generically okay but i don't have super strong townreads on them. alisae a shade lower because e has a better scumgame than MT or CSF and thus higher potential to be fooling me. the last time i played with town alisae was a long time ago and e played differently then s not totally sure how to read the current version of alisae but haven't had anything from em that raised a real red flag for me. i don't remember much from taly but i like how she started.

{Mistyx, Asri Teroka, Gimli, VP Baltar, Lycanfire} - hopefully at least 2 scum in here? gimli is one where i gave him credit for conviction etc but his case on furtive was kind of a shitpush and he hasn't really had anything else since then

[petapan]

that is such a fucking scummy post

how so

opportunistic, very artificial progression toward the wagon

[petapan]

that is such a fucking scummy post

how so

opportunistic, very artificial progression toward the wagon

How is it opportunistic? I don't believe it is much of a progression at all, as I haven't really focused much on cakez before this.

You think I shouldn't be giving opinions on a fastly growing wagon?

you immediately writing off he first vote asri made as a bus is pretty weak shit yeah

[petapan]

asri on balar: uhhhm ahhh hemmm hes being bad to me but idk if i wanna voooote

asri on cakez: yeah sure great case let's go

[petapan]

that is such a fucking scummy post

how so

opportunistic, very artificial progression toward the wagon

How is it opportunistic? I don't believe it is much of a progression at all, as I haven't really focused much on cakez before this.

You think I shouldn't be giving opinions on a fastly growing wagon?

you immediately writing off he first vote asri made as a bus is pretty weak shit yeah

asri on balar: uhhhm ahhh hemmm hes being bad to me but idk if i wanna voooote

asri on cakez: yeah sure great case let's go

These posts back to back make nonsense. You correctly point out that asri's vote is shitty and unexplained, but you think I'm "opportunistic" for pointing that out.

Wut?

no, you're angling yourself to vote on the wagon despite saying asri's vote is bad and i currently think cakez is probably a townie that scum are taking advantage of ari's ragetunnel to wagon

[petapan]

my reads on about half the game feel very murky and underdeveloped but let me try

{Aristeia, furtiveglance, Klick} - i think with reasonable confidence these people are town

{Black} - i think they're town with very slight reservations

{redFF, SirCakez} - i kind of think they're town for reasons that aren't amazing but gut says not scum

{Morning Tweet, Cat Scratch Fever, Alisae, Taly) - these are all players who are generically okay but i don't have super strong townreads on them. alisae a shade lower because e has a better scumgame than MT or CSF and thus higher potential to be fooling me. the last time i played with town alisae was a long time ago and e played differently then s not totally sure how to read the current version of alisae but haven't had anything from em that raised a real red flag for me. i don't remember much from taly but i like how she started.

{Mistyx, Asri Teroka, Gimli, VP Baltar, Lycanfire} - hopefully at least 2 scum in here? gimli is one where i gave him credit for conviction etc but his case on furtive was kind of a shitpush and he hasn't really had anything else since then

oh, i just remembered i left firebringer out of my reads, he's my top scumread but only because he doesn't want to be townread

[petapan]

oh, i just remembered i left firebringer out of my reads, he's my top scumread but only because he doesn't want to be townread

Would you mind sharing your actual read of Fire?

He actually top scumreads me and I very much approve of this.

thats right, im too scared to 1v1 you because i think id lose

[petapan]

Where?

Earlier in the game I believe it was Ali and peta that said I should be transparent with my thought process. And recently it was MT that said my posts were a bit on the heavy side xD

morning tweet has no right to criticize anyone for long posts she needs her ear scratches withheld for this

[petapan]

why would i ever fight u petapan
im ur number one fanboy

even if i scumread u for pushing me i would be like too overcome with fanboyism that id start arguing my role pm must be actually scum and i misread it.

did you just claim town

[petapan]

I think lycan didn't do anything scummy and it's a LHF slot, so I don't like that you're voting there cause it feels like you're testing waters. I know you're probably just being town and trying to go to a place that feels good but since you just voted CSF this gave me pause

also lycan is a player we want to not eliminate on d1 because he is strong

these two ideas don't really go together

[petapan]

I was trying to get some reactions with the move on Taly. I have a misgiving about how furtive likes them and I really dont have any meaningful experience with Taly (I was on an alt with them in a large game that I think I flaked out on, few years back.)

"i was trying to get some reactions" when a vote gets criticized, lmao

[petapan]

i will say redff's vote on cakez was kind of classically scummy, not enough for me to vote him for it but if people want to wagon him it's fine

[petapan]

I think you just like to disagree with me

no she doesnt

[petapan]

I think you just like to disagree with me

no she doesnt

Okay she enjoys bullying me like u do.

that's not true

[petapan]

why is it very town

[petapan]

why is it very town

Because if the biggest wagon is pushing scum!me, I'm gonna yeet them off the face of the earth, not credit their good points

that's not good reasoning at all, cakez had plenty of momentum already, i think scum pushing him there could easily choose to stay away from it

i don't think it's a particularly scummy post but townreading her for that reason is pretty facile

[petapan]

ok
I'm facile
bet I'm right

betting you're right on a player being town doesn't mean shit dude, mathematically you're more likely to be right than not - her being town make your logic good you just used bad process and got lucky

like how people think they're good at finding townreads but they're not, they're just succeeding at something they were mathematically favored to win

[petapan]

ok
I'm facile
bet I'm right

betting you're right on a player being town doesn't mean shit dude, mathematically you're more likely to be right than not - her being town make your logic good you just used bad process and got lucky

like how people think they're good at finding townreads but they're not, they're just succeeding at something they were mathematically favored to win

Does anyone else get salty scum vibes from this (and peta's whole ISO)? He was NOT like this in Newbie 2101

lmfao


ahahahahahahahahaha

[petapan]

betting you're right on a player being town doesn't mean shit dude, mathematically you're more likely to be right than not - her being town make your logic good you just used bad process and got lucky

*doesn't make your logic good ebwop

[petapan]

I poured a lot of salt on him for good luck

im trying to ward away evil spirits

[petapan]

I've seen him get very salty so this is like jovial/wholesome in the peta-spectrum of moods.

yeah he's misreading my tone but i's w/e, i think took me criticizing his thought processas being, like, upset by it as opposed to just thinking it's not good

[petapan]

what would peta even be salty about

That he isn't a cute anime girl

Spoiler:

[petapan]

Well, there are other motivations for critiquing my read than just keeping Mistyxx in the poe. Elevating his own slot, trying to make mine look worse, etc. Maybe it was just his genuine reaction as well

I think you're putting him on a bit of a weird pedestal and have a fixed idea of what he would and wouldn't do as scum

aristeia has almost certainly seen more of my scum games than you have

[petapan]

he's not trying to make your slot look worse he's townread you since post whatever

That's not how our back and forth has felt though

if i wanted to bury you i'd be burying you, i don't think you're scum, i just don't like your logic and that upsets you

[petapan]

These votes are all on slots I villager read

i mean

1. we don't know what any of those people's alignment is so we don't know how accurate black has been with their votes

2. even if they were voting all town, i have no reason to believe black is a player who can be read off accuracy (very few players actually are). i think in particular for a player who is new to the site, hasn't played in a while, and is jumping straight into the deep end with a large theme might experience a significant deal of culture clash that would lead them to suspect things from people that are not actually scummy

3. you tilting at them here kind of reminds me of you going off on kittytacky

[petapan]

like are you just reminded of outburst because they blew up at someone else at the other game so it must be similar here!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kind of in the sense that KT was tunneling you and you raged at him to i assume discredit him because his logic was pretty bad so you tried to make him out to be as stupid as possible

idk, if you're town show a little empathy even if you suspect them here

[petapan]

like with kitty I had SOME composure right now I am just livid and hate everything

okay sorry, like i said let's step away

[petapan]

like with kitty I had SOME composure right now I am just livid and hate everything

okay, i just reread the game and you're right and i'm wrong

[petapan]

3. you tilting at them here kind of reminds me of you going off on kittytacky

they're not even remotely similar???????????
one instance was me still trying to see eye to eye. I'm not even trying to do that here nor do I really care to.

can i get a link to this

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=3&t=90022&user_select%5B%5D=28780

you can ctrl + F for kittytacky

[petapan]

I have shown respect and been courteous to all of you. I expect the same in return

you've been great i'm sorry you got that response

[petapan]

ok yea he looks a lot townier in WF >_>

I'd be willing to vote for him. I'm not sure how applicable the meta comparison is between replacing in and d1 of a large though its pretty shruggy.

feel like he's a player who hasn't played in a long time and was likely struggling to get into the game regardless of alignment but stuff he was saying felt aimless + i do put some weight on the hood stuff

[petapan]

its funny because gimlis view of the cakes wagon and cakes view of his own wagon is completely different and he hasnt figured out why this is when the answer is sort of obvious.

dunno i think him acting like he should be above suspicion merely for defending cakez is a bit trash, it's the way he defaulted to "go after them not me" and downgrading his read on cakez in the face of it, too self-image conscious rather than interested in finding scum?

also not sure cakez-scum bites the hand that's trying to feed him like that tbh. unless he's trying to make them look unaligned lmao

[petapan]

meh i could be wrong about cakez i really don't like him coming back and calling people's lists trash with no elaboration after reading it back again

[petapan]

This one feels Gimli is fine, Tweeter of the Morn.

why

Why is Sir of the Cakez fine?

lol, yall realize this slot is going to have to go at some point right?

i will temporarily make a truce with baltar to say the shitty unfunny gimmick alt should die

[petapan]

meh i could be wrong about cakez i really don't like him coming back and calling people's lists trash with no elaboration after reading it back again

I feel like they were self explanatory

Like Ali's town core had like Red and Mistyx?? Like wtf?

i dunno dude like regardless of your alignment this is a pretty bad way to play

if you're town - what does that mean? you scumread red and misty, is alisae scum simply for disagreeing with you on reads? you know that's not how the game of mafia works. it's possible alisae is town who is reading the game differently from you. it's also possible alisae is scum, but do those reads mean alisae is showing TMI by townreading players e shouldn't be or are ey putting their team of 2 low volume posters in the towncore? that seems spectacularly unlikely to me. but regardless of that, you're not really showing any sense of actually trying to figure out alisae's alignment here, you're just looking at a reads list and calling it bad.


if you're scum lol what are you doing who are you hoping to persuade like this

[petapan]

From what I remember playing with her she didn't like playing the alignment in the first place.

shes a good wolf but not on MS for whatever reason

like how inuyasha loses his powers when theres a new moon

[petapan]

From what I remember playing with her she didn't like playing the alignment in the first place.

shes a good wolf but not on MS for whatever reason

like how inuyasha loses his powers when theres a new moon

Do you think my misty read is shit?

no, you can easily be right on her, she's shown some sign of a pulse

[petapan]

kinda wanna just flip cakez and end the day it's going too long

[petapan]

I'm in a bad mood so y'all get a rant

This game is soo fucking stupid I feel like I cannot post anything without ten people going "LOL CAKEZ NO LOGIC HES SCUM"
I don't even fucking want to explain myself because some asshole is going to go "nah but what about this bro what are you even doing xD xD lol!" This is so fucking annoying who even has fun playing Mafia like this? Like just fucking let me do my thing for five seconds and figure people out. I can't fucking do anything this game without somebody finding a way to shade me and call me scum for it.

Yeah I fucked up my read on Ari I missed two posts or fucking WHATEVER where she agreed with me for two things. I know I suck soooo fucking bad right?

Yeah I think Alis town core is fucking scummy because e has players in there that the majority of the game has as null at best. Is e protecting buddies? Saving limbait for later? I don't FUCKING KNOW but I don't see why e would do that as town! I don't fucking put players that most of the game don't town read in a "town core". Who defines a town core as players like that? Fucking no one!

God fucking damn! I haven't been this pissed by a game in a while. I get limmed all the time but at least people aren't so shitty about it normally I just feel sad not like an actually shit mafia player.

I KNOW I'm shit at mafia. I don't play this game so I can have a 100% ELO god tier paragon mafia hunter rate or fucking whatever. I log in for 30 minutes to an hour a day, read as much as I can and make analysis from that. I don't have the brainpower or time to sit around pulling a fucking Freud re ISOing their 100 posts reading their 500 game meta and being like HMMMM WHAT IF ALISAE WAS ACTUALLY PULLING A 720 UNO REVERSE CARD AND IS REACTION TESTING THE SCUM or some fucking bullshit like that. I see someone post a reads list that makes no sense to me I think that's pretty fucking scummy. I feel like it's not rocket science but someone always has to be like "WELL WHY DIDNT YOU THINK OF THIS CAKEZ!!!! YOURE SCUMMMM!!!" I just want to come in and have some fun and post a little analysis and some reads and fuck off back to my hole. I can't sit around here figuring everything fucking out.

God damn I had to get this off my chest.

cakez dude you don't have to be sophistaced you just have to give us something more to work with than calling lists "trash" and "bad"

i'm not happy to have pushed you to this point but this is at least a start, i might address the rest later but for now take a break

[petapan]

i mean he's been misyeeted a fair amount as town too

[petapan]

i mean he's been misyeeted a fair amount as town too

yea i know - I just feel that he would be more upset at being yeeted as scum d1 than as town because the pressure is different when you're mafia. Also in a role madness game, he could have an important scum role and then it would be even more added pressure.

i think cakez is like most players psychologically in that he feels significantly worse about getting voted out when his role card says he is innocent and he has been honest only to have others turn it against him

[petapan]

ActionDan is still a thing if people want to go there. Did anyone get towny vibes from his first post?

no

[petapan]

with fresh eyes i'm less swayed by the AtE from cakez, but i'd rather give him space i guess

[petapan]

ActionDan is still a thing if people want to go there. Did anyone get towny vibes from his first post?

totally unrelated post but i want this to get in your mentions - what do your reads look like currently?

[petapan]

ActionDan is still a thing if people want to go there. Did anyone get towny vibes from his first post?

totally unrelated post but i want this to get in your mentions - what do your reads look like currently?

Town

Aristeia, furtiveglance, Klick, Morning Tweet
Firebringer, petapan, Alisae, Mistyx, redFF, Asri Teroka, Gimli
VP Baltar, Taly*, Black
SirCakez, ActionDan

Scum

think the bottom is not super likely as a team but on day 1 w/e

why low on black? why high on morning tweet? (i don't have issues with her but i don't have her as strong town so curious on the perspective)

[petapan]

i had a dream where we eliminated cakez and he flipped scum

this isnt relevant to anything i just wanted to share it

[petapan]

Spoiler: List

Alisae

removed by fb

Taly*

removed by furtive

Morning Tweet

removed by black

Firebringer

removed by gimli

Asri Teroka

removed by Klick

ActionDan
Mistyx
redFF
Cat Scratch Fever

3 left, and since VPB is gone and i dont a replacement to give me a good choice consider his slot vote gone and his replacement will just have to sheep us.

It all comes down to ARI, PETA AND CAKEZ for the final strikes.

Lets go

Shea if you catch up i will allow you to strike one of the remaining players in this list if Ari/Peta/Cakez don't beat you to it.

We are going to compromise wagon the last person left on this list.

on a gameplay level i want to save CSF but on a personal enjoyment level i want to save redff because i find his posts entertaining and don't wanna kill someone day 1 on their first game back

so i'll say remove redff

[petapan]

is that almost a scumclaim^
I think it is

yeah dude i got this title from being bad at scum

[petapan]

is that almost a scumclaim^
I think it is

yeah dude i got this title from being bad at scum

You could literally say this to anyone scumreading you for anything

'I'm too smart for that'

what
you have to do

something

i will, because making fun of your bad read is funny to me

[petapan]

on a gameplay level i want to save CSF but on a personal enjoyment level i want to save redff because i find his posts entertaining and don't wanna kill someone day 1 on their first game back

so i'll say remove redff

ow

---

Firebringer what's the point of this exercise? There's already a building wagon on ActionDan

i knew someone else would save you or i would have said your name

[petapan]

in my fantasy im scum with petapan/ari/alisae
and we are having fun in the PT

i was scum with alisae and it was great then i threw it away like an idiot

never getting a rand that good again

[petapan]

Just the scumread on Baltar looked calculated and overconfident

that's enough for you to hump my leg every time i post?

[petapan]

Just the scumread on Baltar looked calculated and overconfident

that's enough for you to hump my leg every time i post?

ok can we agree that this kind of imagery isn't appropriate

you know what's inappropriate

your reads

because they suck

[petapan]

imagine peta is scum and saved redff and actually did try to play it off as a "well come on, he is funny"

This is my fanfiction and no one can take that away now.

funny u should say that

[petapan]

Dont recall this one

was 11 years ago lol

[petapan]

VOTE: gimli

[petapan]

how's the game going, i have clocked out of this day phase and simply want it to end

[petapan]

you're telling me that you want to keep redFF alive over MISTY? CSF would also be fine but HUH???
You even say the player has a pulse.
What's going on?

i mean do what you want boss i don't care about this day phase anymore

[petapan]

VOTE: Petapan
Hey buddy how u been?

I still townread him but i want him to stop being a lazy bum

i'm on strike

i want the day to end

i think the day going on longer is actively antitown

[petapan]

do u not think i want the day to end too?
ur not helping us end the day any sooner by "being on strike"

i'll move my vote around wherever you want me to but i think i have little to add to a game that is bloated whose discussions are mostly circular

[petapan]

Peta just hiding out waiting for the day to end doesn't feel right. And he's willing to just vote for whoever just to end it? What

Is this normal townPeta behavior?

at times, yes

i think the game has gotten shitty and dull and i don't like talking with most of the people in it, we've reached the stage of endlessly rehashing the same arguments while people loudly shield every major attempt at a wagon so nothing gets done

we are less than halfway to the allotted deadline and are already over 100 pages. we're on pace to have 150, possibly 200. absolutely no one is going to want to reread the colossal pile of shit we have generated, and that is a wildly pro-scum gamestate

scum are already winning this day phase, and potentially the rest of the game with it


the game does not need more "content", it needs less, and it needs it yesterday. it needs someone to actively be flipped.

this is maybe contrary to popular opinion where "we still have so much time to discuss" is the constant refrain, as though the optimal game state is to milk every last second of the clock available with the idea you will somehow come to an optimal decision, but having playing way too many games over the past few years i don't believe that to be the case. i think lengthy, idle day 1s are antitown.

[petapan]

VOTE: actiondan

[petapan]

I think I like pressuring petapan. There's a bunch of town reads on him that I saw that don't really make much sense to me.

VOTE: petapan

Why do you town read him? Does it come after page 30? What I saw by page 30 was mainly a slap fight with my slot and being kind of an acerbic person. I would assume that's in his scum range and he even said as much himself.

missing from your posts is anything resembling an actual case

[petapan]

Baring any guilties anyone this game is over I think I have it solved overnight

Same, wanna compare notes?

I can give you the cliffs.

Asri always flips wolf.

Furtive is a traitor.
1 wolf in {Gimli, RedFF}

yoooo

[petapan]

by rule of large games there's always at least 1 scum on a day 1 wagon on scum. that is maybe shakier given the wagon formed relatively fast but i wouldn't clear people on it

i don't actually think most of the voters off wagon are that scummy tbh

[petapan]

also we could have killed lycan by like page 40 or something

[petapan]

Spoiler: Asri on LycanDan

I'm hyped for this playerlist let's goo

VOTE: Aristeia

Just read the thread medium yikes

Furtive one, Klick IS radiant!

This one has no reason to suspect Lycan of the Fire yet. But they sure are the silent type! As the Kingdom is at week's end, that can mean nothing?

i like asri roleplay going.
Usually i think people roleplaying overly long is a gimmick to hide mindset here i think its used for fun scumhunting.

Asri is now a member of the trusted cabinet of advisors. Welcome to the crew Asri

This one knew they were right on you!

This one has no reason to suspect Lycan of the Fire yet.

Not true

This one truly hasn't, silence can be golden!

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

This one thinks, with Lycan of the Fire and Klick already having affirmed their part in this, that there is value in keeping the third a mystery?

For now, yes?

This one didn't like the way Sir of the Cakez spoke after Klick and Lycan admitted to being in contact with them. Consider this one willing to vote Sir of the Cakez, but as thi one doesn't know the exact vote tally right now and is busy, this one is merely stating intent.

Furtive just wants to save Cakez, Red.

Cat Scratch, this one'd rather leave Dan of Action alone for a while, let them maybe come to grips with the kingdom's state?

ActionDan is still a thing if people want to go there. Did anyone get towny vibes from his first post?

It was pretty pointless just going off the first 10 pages unless hes going to give us a bunch more posts like that. But i wanna give him a chance to catch up

This one has mind-melded in truest sense with you and therefore you are my first goodlock.

This one wants to remove Misty from the list, as it seems Cat Scratch has been removed!

This one also in no way is comfortable with Dan of Action being voted out!
Misty is only being removed because this one likes them, see above where this one's suspicions lie for now.

This one understands this might be seen as treason against the plans of our King, yet has to say their say at least!

i like tsq's catchup post better than action dans so far

They're both pretty meh to this one. Shea gunning for Gimli isn't a good look.

(red, Mistyx, Dan, Gimli, MT, CSF, Aarti)
Just want to lim one of these people ig

This one says that list is utterly horrible! Except for one name, horrible!

just consistently, consistently defending the slot over nothing and making excuses for it

[petapan]

VOTE: firebringer

this isn't a serious vote i just have a doublevote and want it to show

[petapan]

hesitant to believe the scumteam all trips over their own shoelaces that way tbh. can see the gimli defense coming from a townie unfortunately

[petapan]

their question to me about peta is absolute junk

i thought so too and i tried to question him on it only for him to vanish from the game in a puff of smoke

[petapan]

Firebringer in PoE is probably just paranoia on my part if I'm honest
I thought your reaction to the neighbour claim stuff wasn't great

firebringer is extremely town

[petapan]

MAKE A PLAY BRO

Hold on

bro this isn't sex

I'm an impulsive player so I'll just say this: I'm the 'Collector', a 1-shot Jailor. I have the ability to stop the mafia kill. I targeted petapan last night.

VOTE: petapan

so i 100% believe this seeing as i was roleblocked from activating my doublevote but it just means i was the nk target, which happens an incredibly high amount of the time

i think it should be kind of obvious i expected to have a doublevote today because i wouldn't make up a lie like that when i was carrying the factional?

unfortunately my other role abilities aren't really clearing and have almost no town utility

[petapan]

furtiveglance is so bad at this game lmao

[petapan]

so why couldnt you have just protected peta from a nightkill then

I don't think that's what happened - I think several other players were likelier nightkills

idk, peta was the tipping point on the dan wagon. while i do think it coulda been a bus, he was the tipping point that got that wagon through

i did it without ever even, like, saying a word to encourage it i just went with the flow

[petapan]

You're claiming other abilities?

yeah i have 3 and they all suck, the doublevote was the best one and i activated it because it's the one with the most semblance of protown utility

i have another one that makes me loved for a day - basically useless for town, makes more sense as a scum role. biggest concern with this being a rolemadness setup would be scum using some sort of role thief/ability copier on me tbh

[petapan]

i eat a shocking amount of night 1 kills despite not really being that good as town

in fact i did so in a game with furtive modded by datisi not that long ago: viewtopic.php?t=89922

that this has slipped his memory is laughable but he's town through and through, just playing the honorary 5th scum this game

[petapan]

You're claiming other abilities?

yeah i have 3 and they all suck, the doublevote was the best one and i activated it because it's the one with the most semblance of protown utility

i have another one that makes me loved for a day - basically useless for town, makes more sense as a scum role. biggest concern with this being a rolemadness setup would be scum using some sort of role thief/ability copier on me tbh

You're a joat?

i guess in practice yes but it's all really not useful abilities for town

[petapan]

If I'm a doctor and I'm gated I'm not acting n1 except it being like idunno ari.
Too many good kills with no clear person that needs to absolutely stay alive

it's woefully bad play but i don't believe he can be scum because i was definitely roleblocked and we flipped the scum roleblocker day 1, so he can't be scum unless you believe scum have a universal backup, but that's not really that common as design practice on MS

[petapan]

either way if people are claiming best to claim in full, leave nothing out. Include flavor.
Do it properly

elderbug

3 abilities

- make myself loved for a day (takes 1 extra vote to execute)

- give myself a doublevote for a day

- make a player immune to elimination for a day (this has 0 town utility and i have no idea why it's part of the role at all. i debated using it just to get rid of it but my target isn't notified that they're immune)

[petapan]

i thought lycan's defense of redff was too lousy and toothless to be truly partnered

[petapan]

If I'm a doctor and I'm gated I'm not acting n1 except it being like idunno ari.
Too many good kills with no clear person that needs to absolutely stay alive

it's woefully bad play but i don't believe he can be scum because i was definitely roleblocked and we flipped the scum roleblocker day 1, so he can't be scum unless you believe scum have a universal backup, but that's not really that common as design practice on MS

this is very true unless furtive is making some kind of desperation play which if so game is super over

i don't think it's within his range, when i've seen him get cornered as scum he quits

[petapan]

petapan's rr sounds like a scum joat

you're exactly right, it's not a good role, but that's prt of the point of role madness, you don't go hunting by claims

do you think as scum i trueclaim my exact role like a fucking idiot

do you think i don't go full steam, bury cakez day 1, and then make lycan elim immune on day 2

like my play is the exact opposite of using this for scum tactical utility

[petapan]

- make a player immune to elimination for a day (this has 0 town utility and i have no idea why it's part of the role at all. i debated using it just to get rid of it but my target isn't notified that they're immune)

how does this work exactly?

- make a player immune to elimination for a day (this has 0 town utility and i have no idea why it's part of the role at all. i debated using it just to get rid of it but my target isn't notified that they're immune)

does this include yourself

like let's say you did it and then we tested it.
what happens

day ends in no elimination. i don't think i can self-target because it says i have to target a player where the others are just activated and most roles can't self-target.

also none of the abilities work when it's MELO/ELO

[petapan]

petapan's rr sounds like a scum joat

you're exactly right, it's not a good role, but that's prt of the point of role madness, you don't go hunting by claims

do you think as scum i trueclaim my exact role like a fucking idiot

do you think i don't go full steam, bury cakez day 1, and then make lycan elim immune on day 2

like my play is the exact opposite of using this for scum tactical utility

did the mod tell you you were roleblocked/your action failed?

no, i was not made aware until my vote showed up as a single vote

[petapan]

VOTE: asri

[petapan]

also none of the abilities work when it's MELO/ELO

Are you told when this happens? Or do you just have to find out that day?

i'm not told, it's just it doesn't work when the number of players aligned with the kingdom minus number of players aligned radiance is 2 or less

[petapan]

im here after like 30 minutes of thinking/reading overnight

[ari, peta, furtive, shea]
[csf, MT, klick, firebringer, black, cakez]
[gimli, alisae, asri]
[mistyx, redff]

redFF I know this is sudden but I really want to get to know you

Specifically something very personal

Do you have a special read? You know, a feeling for another player in this thread. It's okay to say it this is a non judgmental area.

this post is just really bizarre to me and redff ignoring it is also weird

idk maybe its dumb to just say "scum made a totally awkward post and it got ignored, must be towards a buddy!" but that is like my immediate reaction to it

maybe im also not really understanding the point of the post so maybe someone can explain it to me

why is redff scum on his own play rather than a lycan comment?

[petapan]

town needs a better alt name than villager btw

like alt name of scum is wolf which is so much better.

like even citizen is better than villager.
peasant for when u really just want to insult the dumb townies

when i played i recall the term VI, is that still in use?

people don't really use village idiot anymore no

they find other ways to be demeaning

[petapan]

Ahhh suddenly pages
Not reading tonight but I'm around if anyone wants to chat

did you actually use the hood last night lol

[petapan]

I really want to believe that we're dealing with a 3 person wolf team tbh :/

previous large themes by dats were 15:4 and 16:4:1, with the 1 being a serial killer. ircher slipped it was 4 scum when everyone assumed 5 and people ripped his head off for it it was p funny

i dont see a reason to assume it wouldnt be 13:4 unless town is weak or scum are stupidly loaded

[petapan]

he can claim to klick in the hood

i think it's entirely possible his role is just not that useful not everyone in role madness gets a strong role

i really doubt both cakez and lycan are scum and i think thats especially true given how certain players interacted with the cakez wagon

[petapan]

i think there's probably 0-1 scum in ari's scumpile and she should probably be killed for it tbh

[petapan]

maybe that's unfair with 1 scum dead on day 2 but like at this point i think you're just trying to bury cakez for nonsensical reasons

[petapan]

"i can see what asri is doing" is such a watery defense

[petapan]

like scum don't make posts where you can see what they're doing? what are you even on about

[petapan]

This one didn't like the way Sir of the Cakez spoke after Klick and Lycan admitted to being in contact with them. Consider this one willing to vote Sir of the Cakez, but as thi one doesn't know the exact vote tally right now and is busy, this one is merely stating intent.

This one has gone to study the vote tally in the kingdom's archives. It is content.

VOTE: SirCakez

This one felt you were very weird, and that is the only reason for this vote. What Aristeia said did somewhat prompt this one in truth, and the one who Klicks voting you also makes this one feel good. It is Cat Scratch of the Fever's vote that this one finds most interesting. This one believes they are responding to the Furtive One and Baltar, but might be wrong.

like how are you defending this

their only reason for their vote is that he was "very weird"

explain to me how that showcases a town mindset?

[petapan]

Ah, this one sees Cat Scratch of the Fever has indeed expanded upon SirCakez. This one would really like Sir of the Cakez to address the others voting him, not this one though, as this one hates to be hasty and wrong. Therefore this one is very willing to go back to voting no one, and hopes Sir can show this one that such is the right thing to do.

structually scummy - attempting to appear open minded but really only setting up cakez to fail

[petapan]

Like am I incorrect in saying that Asri's ISO is literally 108 posts of nothing?

If people are defending Asri at this point in the game I need more to grapple with than what is currently being provided. I know Klick has that so I'm looking forward to those engagements when he gets to them. Also his reads on Misty and Taly those also interest me.

not true that it's 108 posts of nothing, at least 10 of those are defending lyanfire/actiondan!

[petapan]

I see I have missed a lot while I was watching the super bowl and coding this vote counter.

Anyone wanna tldr me?

furtive jailed me and stopped the nightkill which caused my doublevote i was planning to use to fail to active, he is tunneling me while the rest of the game tells him he's wrong for it

[petapan]

i think redff/gimli can easily both be town

[petapan]

"""interesting"""

[petapan]

tbh i have no idea if it'd do any good but i would like to hear some speculation on why this role exists in a town aligned capacity because i see 0 utility to making someone elim immune

[petapan]

o....k.

I have no clue folks. I'll try to make my brain work tomorrow.

take it easy shea

[petapan]

tbh i have no idea if it'd do any good but i would like to hear some speculation on why this role exists in a town aligned capacity because i see 0 utility to making someone elim immune

I could see many players claiming a role like this early d1 so a question that just popped up is like why didn't you? I think it's possible this role could be like a miller that gets punished for claiming somehow?

because the possibility it was a role that gets punished for claiming was on my mind

i see basically no reason to make the discussion about me in that capacity and early claim of that sort on day 1 tend to monopolize discussion. i get targeted for the night 1 kill pretty frequently and claiming this role would reduce the chance i died and scum killed off a useful role like an investigative

[petapan]

tbh i have no idea if it'd do any good but i would like to hear some speculation on why this role exists in a town aligned capacity because i see 0 utility to making someone elim immune

I could see many players claiming a role like this early d1 so a question that just popped up is like why didn't you? I think it's possible this role could be like a miller that gets punished for claiming somehow?

because the possibility it was a role that gets punished for claiming was on my mind

i see basically no reason to make the discussion about me in that capacity and early claim of that sort on day 1 tend to monopolize discussion. i get targeted for the night 1 kill pretty frequently and claiming this role would reduce the chance i died and scum killed off a useful role like an investigative

Why not later in D1 when people were apathetic

didn't see a point to it, i wanted the day to end not to spend 30 pages arguing about my role lmao

[petapan]

Will anyone acknowledge that the mechanically correct play is to vote out petapan

no, because most of the table aren't gamethrowers and are actually reading me correctly. i don't mind dying if the game is more difficult than expected but as of right now i have some pretty strong scumspects. your current play is negative utility and completely unhelpful to anyone with your extreme hyperfocus on an incorrect read. there are 18 other players in this game still and the absolute least you can do is try to read them. don't bother preflipping me red either because it'll be a waste of time.

[petapan]

asri is overtly scummy. has no substance to anything they say, and the deflection to "BUT WHAT ABOUT CAKEZ" offers no meaningful rebuttal just an attempt to put attention on a different target. they consistently defended lycanfire/actiondan on day 1 with excuses and terribly weak reasoning that is likely to come from a partner.

[petapan]

also i reread aristeia's iso last night and she's 90% mafia

i think the hyperfocus on cakez is a cover for a lack of solving at this point

i didn't say it yesterday but i

did

think it was possible a scum-ari tries to overtly bury sircakez for sussing her. i thought the victim complex was towny at first but it really struggles to remain crdible

[petapan]

I'll just chill here then because I'm apparently a Village Idiot for stopping a kill and claiming when there's a 50/50 guilty on a player

yes actually you are because you're tunneling the mafia's nightkill target

this game is going to end and you're going to see you were backwards on every single read and i'm going to laugh at you

[petapan]

right now i have blind spots in my reads with regards to fireisredsir and shea, i had basically clocked out since they replaced in and hadn't given a ton of thought to their posts. need to read up on them.

[petapan]

asri's scumreads are 70% omgus and 30% opportunism

[petapan]

think redfire is good enough - like the moment where he went after shea for starting an argument seemingly to win points against black (2117). posts have been solid, haven't detected anything that makse me feel he's making scum motivated pushes. i had taly as gut-town and i do think lycan choosing to vote taly off the bat is ~slightly less likely to be partnered. can be an upper townlean for now.

[petapan]

asri's scumreads are 70% omgus and 30% opportunism

Is it just me or are Asri and Ari’s reads similar?

ye not really i don't think they're synced other than sircakez

it's just that asri isn't really trying to sort people, their scumreads are all reactive - it's either on people pushing them, which happens so consistently i really do not believe it comes from a town player with any degree of experience, or it's a player who got made into a bandwagon target and they're literally ibcapable of addin more to the read - and they've shown they're capable of elaborating on things elsewhee they just refuse to do it hee and the likeliest reason is there's no substance behind it

[petapan]

looking back at his iso i think it's not impossible redff's read on lycandan came from an informed perspective i guess

[petapan]

i'm not super sold on shea being town but only halfway through his iso now, recognize that i'm biased there - have a hard time getting over vp baltar pulling a nutty on me when i suggested he could be scum with asri, which struck me as a really unnatural reaction

[petapan]

also i reread aristeia's iso last night and she's 90% mafia

i think the hyperfocus on cakez is a cover for a lack of solving at this point

i didn't say it yesterday but i

did

think it was possible a scum-ari tries to overtly bury sircakez for sussing her. i thought the victim complex was towny at first but it really struggles to remain crdible

i think she would be a more likely to get kinda stuck on her current approach as town. i don't think her current play is really getting her anywhere and is most likely to result in people scumreading her (and i think she'd know this). but i can believe that it's something she as town would care about

her solving in the second half of d1 felt really towny to me, so if she's scum it's not like she isn't capable of producing good content. i don't think she needs to hide behind a demand for cakez to claim

i don't think her play is resulting in many scumreads at all except for me, in fact she's getting townread for it

i think her current play lines up pretty directly with a scum agenda of realizing the elimination pool is pretty limited and she kind of has to hyperfocus on cakez now before he has a chance to get cleared

[petapan]

i think you tried and failed

[petapan]

I don't understand why people are so obsessed with me this game
Like I already got upset day 1 because people wouldn't leave me alone do we really need to go down this path again? God

cakez you have my permission to ignore ari, just talk about other people

[petapan]

Spoiler:

Aristeia wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:46 am

Alisae wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:13 am

Aristeia wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:28 am

Alisae wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:52 am

Something I would like Ari to elaborate on when she gets the chance is why she feels the way she feels about Peta.

While looking back on my notes it kind of just dawned on me the best way to REALLY elaborate what I see with peta. I don't wolf!Peta engages with the thread the way he has so far. Maybe it's crazy of me to get this impression from his first 2 rvs votes as well as 151, but I feel like isolations 5-9 have only helped reinforce this vibe I am getting.



the way i read peta is to look for things he does as town exclusively.

i dont really expect him to be readable this early in the game and i have a lot of respect for him as a player.

ig my follow-up question would be do you really think he hasn't done anything he wouldn't be able to do exclusively as villager?



He hasn't done anything he can't do as mafia, also i don't really think he's had the oppurtunity either.

your read is based on your mental model of how scum!peta would interact with the thread and i find expectations of behavior to not be the best for making accurate reads.

This post is really interesting to me considering Aris later stance on me and how she was expecting me to interact with the thread and fireisred. Hypocrisy isn't the unique purview of scum but I don't like how she's shifting what she says she believes to be the correct way to read people when she's talking about peta vs. when shes talking about me. If either of them either flips red this has high partner equity.

forgive the butchered quotes but i didn't want to do surgery on the massive text block on the main post

were you trying to suggest i'm potentially scum with ari because...she made a post saying i hadn't done anything i wouldn't do as scum?

[petapan]

stop being rude to Ari

i see basically no reason she should get her way to have cakez fullclaim in thread, and also i think cakez arguing against it endlessly is unproductive and would prefer he instead discussed his reads on other people

[petapan]

What reads do people want me to talk about?

any/all? why do you, personally, scumread asri?

[petapan]

i don't buy the bluster from asri as being authentic

[petapan]

Where I think she's doing the exact "your read is based on your mental model of how scum!peta would interact with the thread and i find expectations of behavior to not be the best for making accurate reads." thing she was critiquing in defending you while trying to use it to explain a scum read on me.

I find this vast difference in approach when talking about two different slots to be interesting at the very least and yes I do think one possible explanation for why one would discredit a method when talking about one slot and then use it yourself when talking about your own thoughts on another slot might be that you are partnered with the former.

i guess i see what you're saying about the reasoning being used in one area being different to another but we are different players so i can see a townie doing. on the whole though i think ari is scummy as of right now so inclined not to quibble over that

it just raises my hackles a bit to see someone do that sort of preflip associative on me based entirely on something someone else said about me

[petapan]

the "you" in that post was @peta but I think anyone who thinks ari could be scum should do this.

i've read turing test and that is partly where my mistrust comes from along with her narrowband focus this game

i could easily be getting ahead of myself with that read but we're not flipping her today anyway, i'm just expressing skepticism

[petapan]

I think I like pressuring petapan. There's a bunch of town reads on him that I saw that don't really make much sense to me.

VOTE: petapan

Why do you town read him? Does it come after page 30? What I saw by page 30 was mainly a slap fight with my slot and being kind of an acerbic person. I would assume that's in his scum range and he even said as much himself.

missing from your posts is anything resembling an actual case

There was no case because I don't have a case on you. I wanted to poke at you because I think youre a slot in this game who people were town binning with very little reason through page 30 and real timing where I was at the time of this post and I wanted to shake that tree and see what came out.

I'm more comfy with your slot having read the rest of the thread now but my feeling that the town reads on you early were weird still remains. What do you think of them?

i made note of this question but didn't have time to answer it because the thread was locked. i dunno if you're looking for an answer but i'll do it anyway

i didn't really make note of the early reads on me because i find trying to read people based on how they read me has a really low success rate. i know some people play that way but it never really works for me, my perspective is completely warped by knowing my own alignment which makes it much harder for me to decide if that player's read is coming from an authentic place. the only one i really remember is alisae. do i have concerns that alisae's read on me came a little too free? sure, but alisae has townread me quickly in the past. there's a 2 year gap between games but i think it's possible town-ali reads me that way. do i get concerned they're trying to fastplay things today with their "the game is easy" attitude? i guess but i wouldn't paranoia on them unless i suspect they're pushing a terrible elim pool. som of the way they've handled things today is less likely to come from scum i think. i'm fine slotting alisae as town with an asterisk to re-evaluate later if the game is trickier than anticipated

[petapan]

i made note of this question but didn't have time to answer it because the thread was locked. i dunno if you're looking for an answer but i'll do it anyway

i didn't really make note of the early reads on me because i find trying to read people based on how they read me has a really low success rate. i know some people play that way but it never really works for me, my perspective is completely warped by knowing my own alignment which makes it much harder for me to decide if that player's read is coming from an authentic place. the only one i really remember is alisae. do i have concerns that alisae's read on me came a little too free? sure, but alisae has townread me quickly in the past. there's a 2 year gap between games but i think it's possible town-ali reads me that way. do i get concerned they're trying to fastplay things today with their "the game is easy" attitude? i guess but i wouldn't paranoia on them unless i suspect they're pushing a terrible elim pool. som of the way they've handled things today is less likely to come from scum i think. i'm fine slotting alisae as town with an asterisk to re-evaluate later if the game is trickier than anticipated

if i rrrreally wanted to get cheeky i'd say the posts you liked from me were kind of surface level town. but i won't.

[petapan]

I'm hyped for this playerlist let's goo

VOTE: Aristeia

Just read the thread medium yikes

Furtive one, Klick IS radiant!

This one has no reason to suspect Lycan of the Fire yet. But they sure are the silent type! As the Kingdom is at week's end, that can mean nothing?

i like asri roleplay going.
Usually i think people roleplaying overly long is a gimmick to hide mindset here i think its used for fun scumhunting.

Asri is now a member of the trusted cabinet of advisors. Welcome to the crew Asri

This one knew they were right on you!

This one has no reason to suspect Lycan of the Fire yet.

Not true

This one truly hasn't, silence can be golden!

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good!

And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome?

Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

This one thinks, with Lycan of the Fire and Klick already having affirmed their part in this, that there is value in keeping the third a mystery?

For now, yes?

This one didn't like the way Sir of the Cakez spoke after Klick and Lycan admitted to being in contact with them. Consider this one willing to vote Sir of the Cakez, but as thi one doesn't know the exact vote tally right now and is busy, this one is merely stating intent.

Furtive just wants to save Cakez, Red.

Cat Scratch, this one'd rather leave Dan of Action alone for a while, let them maybe come to grips with the kingdom's state?

ActionDan is still a thing if people want to go there. Did anyone get towny vibes from his first post?

It was pretty pointless just going off the first 10 pages unless hes going to give us a bunch more posts like that. But i wanna give him a chance to catch up

This one has mind-melded in truest sense with you and therefore you are my first goodlock.

This one wants to remove Misty from the list, as it seems Cat Scratch has been removed!

This one also in no way is comfortable with Dan of Action being voted out!

Misty is only being removed because this one likes them, see above where this one's suspicions lie for now.

This one understands this might be seen as treason against the plans of our King, yet has to say their say at least!

i like tsq's catchup post better than action dans so far

They're both pretty meh to this one. Shea gunning for Gimli isn't a good look.

(red, Mistyx, Dan, Gimli, MT, CSF, Aarti)
Just want to lim one of these people ig

This one says that list is utterly horrible! Except for one name, horrible!

just consistently, consistently defending the slot over nothing and making excuses for it

i'm going to re-quote this without spoiler tags and be annoying about it i guess

i don't suspect most of the off wagon voters but asri's read in particular is really hard to swallow as being from a town perspective - the fact they bend over backwards to make excuses for a slot that had done very little (and whose actual game content

was

scummy) while voting cakez for essentially nothing doesn't sit right with me

[petapan]

asri has been OMGUSing me since day 1 and in fact responds to basically anyone scumreading them by scumreading them back

[petapan]

If my posts sound kinda different today its because I'm trying to do a better job explaining things out and making myself more transparent because I feel like a lot of the issues people have with me just comes from me not talking about my thoughts and throwing out too many one liners and such. So yeah.

it's cool i appreciate it

i just didn't really comment on the furtive post because i don't have much to add, have had him as clearly town since day 1