Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[SirCakez]

@Ari - like I'm very stuck up on that absurd post where you blew a gasket at me because I made like two posts saying you were scummy and should be wagoned

[Black]

This one is explaining nothing to you.

This type of behavior makes me want to pull my hair out

[SirCakez]

I would posit that scum her would be more focused on arguing over reasons for scumreading.

ok but I feel like that's exactly what is happening. like the posts I just replied to her on were her debating on her meta and asking me to elaborate on my reasons for SRing her. it feels like she's mad I came for her so early off of not that much.

[petapan]

VOTE: lycanfire

generically underwhelming, seemed a bit more focused on joking around when he caught up rather than developing real opinions

not a strong case but the hood stuff does generally suggest probably scum in there

i think ari's case on cakez is more emotion based on him for shitpushing her but i can still see him being town where with lycan it's just kind of nothing so far

[petapan]

@Ari - like I'm very stuck up on that absurd post where you blew a gasket at me because I made like two posts saying you were scummy and should be wagoned

that feels like it's downplaying the content of those posts, you came on pretty strong in those two posts

[SirCakez]

@Ari - like I'm very stuck up on that absurd post where you blew a gasket at me because I made like two posts saying you were scummy and should be wagoned

that feels like it's downplaying the content of those posts, you came on pretty strong in those two posts

okay I did but Ari has literally made the entirety of her game since then based pretty much only on pushing back on me and getting people to wagon me since then.

[petapan]

Spoiler:

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

Do you plan to vote someone at some point here at the very least?

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

Why are you being tentative?

This is the second time you've talked about voting me and haven't done it.

i feel like there's a nonzero chance asri and baltar are scum together

Peta cannot be town with this logic. Flip asri

lmao

i mean there's literally no logic there but your going after asri is an unconvincing slapfight and asri doesn't seem to want to push you back

[petapan]

@Ari - like I'm very stuck up on that absurd post where you blew a gasket at me because I made like two posts saying you were scummy and should be wagoned

that feels like it's downplaying the content of those posts, you came on pretty strong in those two posts

okay I did but Ari has literally made the entirety of her game since then based pretty much only on pushing back on me and getting people to wagon me since then.

yeah because you pissed her off

[Black]

yeah because you pissed her off

Not a good excuse for tunneling. It doesn't benefit the town to act this way if she is town

[petapan]

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

The fact that peta is using this as evidence when it was a punctuation error by asri shows he is not actually making arguments in good faith here.

lol dude i provided literally 0 explanation and you extrapolated this from it, the meaning was perfectly clear to me, asri is saying they won't vote just because you push them to do it. they're remarkably tepid in the face of your tunnel but they don't actually seem to be trying to sort you

[petapan]

yeah because you pissed her off

Not a good excuse for tunneling. It doesn't benefit the town to act this way if she is town

yeah but people are human

i believe that ari believes cakez is scum, or at least wants to believe he's scum

[petapan]

My own take on the cakez wagon is that I kind of like what ari is saying, and that meta read doesn't seem crazy to me. Cakez is not great at scum from what I've seen (I love you cakez!), though others on this site seem to be able to vibe him much better than me.

If ari is town, the wagon comp isn't terrible either outside asri, which could be bussing if cakez flipped scum.

lmfao

[petapan]

that is such a fucking scummy post

[redFF]

that is such a fucking scummy post

how so

[redFF]

VOTE: sircakez
I buy ari's meta read and i was gonna vote last night but wanted to see what he came back to the thread with. He's reading like frustrated scum. And the jump on ari for "no content" was arbitrary, feels like he coulda picked a number of people to go at for no content.

[SirCakez]

i dont think i am being misread by cakes

i think cakes scum decided it would be fun to shitpush me because he saw klick do it and it kind of worked.

i have literally never ONCE shitpushed people for fun as scum

[SirCakez]

i dont think i am being misread by cakes

i think cakes scum decided it would be fun to shitpush me because he saw klick do it and it kind of worked.

like this post is such bullshit wtf??
Ari is making shit up at this point

[VP Baltar]

Regarding the Cakez wagon... I'm not a fan of how it snowballed. Mainly the votes from CSF and Asri. I'll have to look through at some point to see what else is noteworthy

I got a strong townread from Cakez earlier but it was mostly due to us mindmelding in #487. Some of my reads have changed since then so we may not be on the same page anymore. I didn't mind his vote for Ari because I agreed with him on her ISO. However, the fact that most of this playerlist seems to have a townread on Ari makes me very skeptical of my own read.

Ari has tunneled in on Cakez after he voted for her. She OMGUS voted Cakez and then 99% of her content since then has been about Cakez being scum. Can someone advise if this is normal behavior from Ari?

I don't think it's that unusual for Ari to tunnel as town if she feels strongly about a scum read. Part of what bugged me about her earlier was a lack of passion like this. I'd assess the case on merits rather than whether ari is tunneling or not

[VP Baltar]

that is such a fucking scummy post

How so?

[SirCakez]

so that first post declaring that there "cannot be this many scum in the game" seems kinda odd based on the reads he ended up giving

yeah bc I developed my reads and figured out who was shitposting scummy things and who was actually scumposting

[petapan]

my reads on about half the game feel very murky and underdeveloped but let me try

{Aristeia, furtiveglance, Klick} - i think with reasonable confidence these people are town

{Black} - i think they're town with very slight reservations

{redFF, SirCakez} - i kind of think they're town for reasons that aren't amazing but gut says not scum

{Morning Tweet, Cat Scratch Fever, Alisae, Taly) - these are all players who are generically okay but i don't have super strong townreads on them. alisae a shade lower because e has a better scumgame than MT or CSF and thus higher potential to be fooling me. the last time i played with town alisae was a long time ago and e played differently then s not totally sure how to read the current version of alisae but haven't had anything from em that raised a real red flag for me. i don't remember much from taly but i like how she started.

{Mistyx, Asri Teroka, Gimli, VP Baltar, Lycanfire} - hopefully at least 2 scum in here? gimli is one where i gave him credit for conviction etc but his case on furtive was kind of a shitpush and he hasn't really had anything else since then

[petapan]

that is such a fucking scummy post

how so

opportunistic, very artificial progression toward the wagon

[SirCakez]

okay i want to stop talking about ari for five seconds here there's 15 other players

[VP Baltar]

that is such a fucking scummy post

how so

opportunistic, very artificial progression toward the wagon

How is it opportunistic? I don't believe it is much of a progression at all, as I haven't really focused much on cakez before this.

You think I shouldn't be giving opinions on a fastly growing wagon?

[Black]

I don't think it's that unusual for Ari to tunnel as town if she feels strongly about a scum read. Part of what bugged me about her earlier was a lack of passion like this. I'd assess the case on merits rather than whether ari is tunneling or not

Personally it's hard for me to judge Ari's case since it's all about Cakez playstyles in previous games. I haven't had the time to read over the 6 Mafia games she linked involving Cakez