Election! | GAME OVER

[SirCakez]

DECLARE: TRASH COLLECTOR

AS I AM TRASH I WILL COLLECT THE TRASH

[SirCakez]

CAKEZ FOR GARBAGE MAN
GARBAGE TRUCK GO BRRRR

[SirCakez]

CAKEZ FOR TRASHMAN BECAUSE HE IS TRASH
VOTE CAKEZ FOR TRASH

[SirCakez]

I'm not writing a speech lol GIVE ME TRASH

[SirCakez]

I need more from GL first

[SirCakez]

WE'RE ALL SCREAMING LLD AND POOKY ARE SCREAMING ITS LIKE OLD TIMES

BTW VOTE CAKEZ FOR TRASH

[SirCakez]

OKAY I AM READING AND THEN WE CAN MURDER SOME SCUM BUT ALSO I AM TRYING TO BE LESS SPAMMY/ONE LINERY AND MORE THOUGHTFUL AND EXPLAINED SO I MAY NOT HAVE ANY MURDERFUCKERY TO SUPPLY YET

[SirCakez]

CAKEZ YOU DO KNOW YOU HAVE LITERALLY NOT POSTED A SINGLE THOUGHT ABOUT ANOTHER PERSONS ALIGNMENT TO THIS THREAD YET RIGHT

YES AND I DO NOT FEEL THE NEED TO YET I WILL WHEN I HAVE A FEELING ON SOMETHING THAT I CAN EXPLAIN

[SirCakez]

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THEM

[SirCakez]

OKAY YOU ASKED FOR IT
MY BIG GUT READ ATM IS

LLD SCUM!!!

[SirCakez]

I wasn't frozen I was literally doing other things irl then coming back to the thread

[SirCakez]

Unfortunately (or fortunately) for my sanity I cannot be on MS 24/7 to respond as soon as people post

[SirCakez]

Cuz it was more fun the way I did it lol that's literally it

I'm not going to sit around this game defending everything I do I'm totally sick of it you can scumread me if you want but it's not fun playing Mafia this way

[SirCakez]

I can't even remember the last game I played where I wasn't bombarded with shit pushes within like the first 24 hours of the game
I just don't care anymore

[SirCakez]

I'm going to make my reads and scumhunt and run my little trashman campaign and have fun
I am not going to spend emotional labor and the little time I have to play Mafia every day on constant defense of myself this game
If people don't like it, well, deal

[SirCakez]

Yeah you got that sense because I fucking didn't, not because I'm scum but because it's literally all I end up doing every single game and it's been proven yet again as the game hasn't even been going for a day and we're already here again

[SirCakez]

I'm going to bed grr humbug
Cakez for trash
That is all

[SirCakez]

I can't even remember the last game I played where I wasn't bombarded with shit pushes within like the first 24 hours of the game
I just don't care anymore

How is this a shit push?

I get you don't want to have to defend further things, but getting pushed in mafia and having the ability to answer questions is part of the game.

I resent this implication that I'm somehow attacking you personally or doing anything outside of the norm.

I also resent the implication that I'm somehow the cause of a negative mental health decline on you and the emotional manipulation that comes with that.

ok first off I was not trying to imply that at all - my frustrations are sitewide and not to do you with specifically and I know you aren't attacking me personally or anything like that.

That said the reason I got so annoyed is because I feel like you are heavily nitpicking into posts I put about five seconds of thought into and it drives me absolutely bonkers when people do this

Like it's very clear to me that you went from having 0 reads to having LLD scum to saying LLD scum and still hiding it behind a spoiler.

In the span of 3 posts.

So what changed from post 1 to 2?
Why didn't post 2 just out and say what the thing you clearly had on your mind was?
Why did you hide your read behind a spoiler in post 3?

The answer to all of this is literally that I was being silly and having fun. That's it! I promise. I don't understand why this needs to be interrogated so deeply. I don't have a deeper or better answer for you.

hey Cakez do you actually scumread LLD
I townread you rn so if that’s a real read I’d like to understand why

I thought that she might have been fishing for something to scumread me on which is where I started to feel kinda gutscum on her. But then her reaction after I got mad seems genuine enough so I might be taking that back.

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

I need more from GL first

do you have a read on pooky already

i missed this but no not really yet but I'd be fine voting him for mayor for a day nothing concerning me from him

[SirCakez]

i find this whole conversation to be kind of boring tbh

I need more from GL first

how about cakez says more about this

I don't really have much more to say about that. The setup/optimal mechanics talk always all blend together for me and that's most of what GL has talked about so far, If I had to give a take I would say lean town on GL because I think his interrogation of Datisi's Sheriff campaign seems more likely to be town.

[SirCakez]

okay ya this phase is boring and irrelevant I wanna vote people

[SirCakez]

why so much slander for the Board of Elections they are protecting democracy

[SirCakez]

i have no significant read on cakes. he's really enthusiastic about trash i guess which I can appreciate

How do you take that he's the only candidate for tracker and everyone seems okay with that, but all he's doing is posting memes about garbage?

This is a hot misrep

[SirCakez]

if someone wants to take trash I will use my garbage truck to dump trash on them
grr hiss

[SirCakez]

i have no significant read on cakes. he's really enthusiastic about trash i guess which I can appreciate

How do you take that he's the only candidate for tracker and everyone seems okay with that, but all he's doing is posting memes about garbage?

This is a hot misrep

read two posts down.

Okay I get it now, it was worded weirdly

[SirCakez]

jokes aside why are people acting like I'm going to be useless and incompetent with the role? I've gotten Tracker guilties before, I feel like I can give it a good shot. This "lul useless role" stuff is stupid, it's clearly not especially with so few PRs to work with here.

[SirCakez]

But I also feel like I'm in over my head in such a mech heavy game.

Also I got town pings off of this post.

[SirCakez]

wow I've seen some crazy bbcode fails 8 years on this site and I've never seen that one before Nono LOL

[SirCakez]

jokes aside why are people acting like I'm going to be useless and incompetent with the role? I've gotten Tracker guilties before, I feel like I can give it a good shot. This "lul useless role" stuff is stupid, it's clearly not especially with so few PRs to work with here.

This is how you've been presenting your campaign more than how others have portrayed it

I haven't said anything about Tracker being useless - that's been a mech discussion that I was not part of the last few pages. See Ausuka's post just now.

jokes aside why are people acting like I'm going to be useless and incompetent with the role?

because you are trash

there we go

[SirCakez]

Declare Trash Collector

May the best trash man win

WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED

[SirCakez]

y'all better fuckin vote and submit fast election or im gonna cry

[SirCakez]

I submitted votes y'all get it done I neeeeed to vote

[SirCakez]

I'm around if someone has questions or things I can't read the last few pages atm

[SirCakez]

I'm around if someone has questions or things I can't read the last few pages atm

On a scale of 1-10 how disappointed would you be to not be elected garbage king?

Like 8 I would definitely be bummed but if that's what people voted for then idk maybe I am not enough of a trash advocate

[SirCakez]

I just put my garbage on the street. If you could pick it up that'd be great, thanks.

[SirCakez]

Cakez, who are you thinking for Mayor?

I voted for SleepyKrew I honestly am not sure between LLD and GL is better and I have a gut feeling SK will do well for one day

[SirCakez]

Are you scumreading Pooky?

No but I don't really see why I should trust him either

[SirCakez]

@sircakez You said you were going to vote pooky for mayor, so which specific sentences of which specific posts made you decide to vote SK? /s

I never said that

[SirCakez]

I need more from GL first

do you have a read on pooky already

i missed this but no not really yet but I'd be fine voting him for mayor for a day nothing concerning me from him

Okay but you said you'd be fine with it though.

Yeah so I changed my mind

[SirCakez]

I had a gut vibe about SleepyKrew I literally already said this

[SirCakez]

Some people have already said Bingle sus don't think that's a deep wolf lol

[SirCakez]

I concur that Unowen does not seem like a good vote, that slot is null at best for me
Just #electioneering over here

[SirCakez]

For the Bingle sus thing I went and looked back and actually looks like the read has since changed so ya

[SirCakez]

I voted

Treasurer LLD
Sheriff Ausuka
Mayor SleepyKrew
For council Meowth
And obviously Board Bloodbot

[SirCakez]

wow the meme garbage campaign has turned into a dead heat!

[SirCakez]

I voted

Treasurer LLD
Sheriff Ausuka
Mayor SleepyKrew
For council Meowth
And obviously Board Bloodbot

I think this is scum making a point of being contrarian

???

[SirCakez]

Still really hate your Enchant read Furtive. Please update / fix at my convenience, which is now.

It's an early read. I think you're overreacting.

Treasurer LLD
Sheriff Ausuka
Mayor SleepyKrew
For council Meowth
And obviously Board Bloodbot

I think this is scum making a point of being contrarian

???

Ausuka and meowth were the picks that stood out at the time, although recently more people have voted for meowth.

1) Why are you townreading these two?

2) Did you think Ausuka had a realistic chance of being elected?

1. I've mindmelded on Ausuka for a few things and tbh I don't trust Datisi
meowth feels very engaged and idk I like their tone in a lot of posts, also I feel like this is a pretty common townread?

2. Yeah why not? anyone could be

[SirCakez]

this is gonna sound pretty dumb but all the tinfoiling about Datisi coming in burning super hard to get sheriff as a scum move kinda got into my head
like I don't necessarily SR datisi but I didn't wanna vote there today

[SirCakez]

wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww alright y'all

[SirCakez]

VOTE: unowen this guy seems like a good opening wagon for now

[SirCakez]

Datisi are you annoyed Enchant beat you for sheriff?

[SirCakez]

bc i'm thinking about my read on you and your reaction to the election is part of that

[SirCakez]

Sorry I was not around at all today I will be here tomorrow

[SirCakez]

bc i'm thinking about my read on you and your reaction to the election is part of that

okay

what are you thinking about

I like can't find a reason to townread you and it's kind of concerning me. You just feel somewhat subdued this game.

[SirCakez]

And of Auskuka, UNOwen, Enchant and SK, they all vote together and 3/4 of them are likely going to be PRs despite none of them being consensus town reads. I'd like to think that's telling.

I'm baffled by the Enchant and SK votes, I do not believe someone can earnestly say they have a townread on either of those players with any realistic degree of confidence

(this is an open invitation for people who voted for these players to show me what I'm missing and why I should townread them)

I am weirded out by Datisi/Ausuka's engagement with each other. I don't think either of them is really trying to sort the other and that's strange to me so I don't want to trust either of them with the sheriff position.

I think Datisi tends to tryhard in small settings where he needs to show his towniness - see small group in D&C and him in hoods - he was even townie in house of the dragon when he was trying to infiltrate the townbloc

here he's just kind of taking it easy and stuff and its >??? to me. I know expectations i have for him are RIDICULOUSLY HIGH and thats unfair probly.

i hope he shows me i'm just wrong in this phase of the game where we can actually vote people

noting this as a mindmeld

[SirCakez]

I feel I am struggling to develop reads this game, I can't really point to a specific reason why but like everyone feels so meh to me

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Nono

i feel like this is a waste of time

This post pings me, like what's wrong with this vote? I don't mind it

[SirCakez]

I feel I am struggling to develop reads this game, I can't really point to a specific reason why but like everyone feels so meh to me

its probly cuz everyone thinks this game sucks

man that's some bull I like this game esp the pace it's not exploding every time I check in and there's not a bunch of drama and crap

[SirCakez]

are StD and I going to spend the whole game incorrectly scumreading each other again? find out soon

[SirCakez]

Like, this is transparently Bingle wanting to get their hands on the rules of the game to dictate it, even if it's strictly worse from a probability standpoint.

I'm perfectly capable of running mech and maths.

I don't know if this is scum indicative for Bingle since this feels like the thing Bingle prides themselves on but...

Yeah, no. there's 0 good reasons this needs to be public at this moment.

Okay I feel like this is scum indicative for Bingle though? If he's a mech mastermind he should recognize that we don't need to dump all this information now. Ferreting it out seems pretty antitown.

[SirCakez]

Like, this is transparently Bingle wanting to get their hands on the rules of the game to dictate it, even if it's strictly worse from a probability standpoint.

I'm perfectly capable of running mech and maths.

I don't know if this is scum indicative for Bingle since this feels like the thing Bingle prides themselves on but...

Yeah, no. there's 0 good reasons this needs to be public at this moment.

Okay I feel like this is scum indicative for Bingle though? If he's a mech mastermind he should recognize that we don't need to dump all this information now. Ferreting it out seems pretty antitown.

I agree, but then my brain says "is Bingle the kind of player who would feel isolated and left out by not having access to the game mechanics?"

Because in HotD I felt the same, you know. It's hard not to view a desire to be in the loop through that lens a bit.

But it's definitely not a townie movie. It's just a question for me of if this is scum motivation or townie jealousy.

Who did you feel that way about? I don't see Bingle in HotD playerlist

[SirCakez]

Save the Dragons - why do you find Ausuka so scummy? I think she's one of the towniest players in the game.

[SirCakez]

not doing anything but defending yourself and not hunting for scum is not alignment indicative?

asking others to explain their dubious reads on me is not hunting for scum?

Got scum pings from this post. This feels like the kind of defensive BS I post when I get pushed as scum.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Bingle
I want to start this wagon. I don't really feel any town vibes from Bingle's posts. I don't like how he's treating the mechanics of this game. I get the feeling he is trying to manipulate things in scum's favor.

UNowen is not going to make it anywhere near to LyLo anyways so I don't feel like that wagon is doing much.

[SirCakez]

I'm still reading I never finished yesterday. Didn't you notice I responded to a post you made from like 10 pages ago?

[SirCakez]

i feel the vibes are off. i feel she's most likely to be scum. i don't have specific posts to back that up, other than my point that she was posting just to post early in the game. she seems like a non-presence. i think town would be more involved and she feels off to the background letting things happen.

Don't think this is true at all.

[SirCakez]

Besides, I have a so much worse player to murder

Vote: Meowth

This is an attrocious reads list. On all notes. But MOST OF ALL.

this is literally a scum claim. "done nothing of note" Lie. "NAI as either alignment, like Pooky. ... TOWN FOR NOW?"

Kill this with fire, please.

Okay now I'm here. The readslist was definitely not good but I want to push my Bingle wagon for now.

[SirCakez]

Like, this is transparently Bingle wanting to get their hands on the rules of the game to dictate it, even if it's strictly worse from a probability standpoint.

I'm perfectly capable of running mech and maths.

I don't know if this is scum indicative for Bingle since this feels like the thing Bingle prides themselves on but...

Yeah, no. there's 0 good reasons this needs to be public at this moment.

Okay I feel like this is scum indicative for Bingle though? If he's a mech mastermind he should recognize that we don't need to dump all this information now. Ferreting it out seems pretty antitown.

I agree, but then my brain says "is Bingle the kind of player who would feel isolated and left out by not having access to the game mechanics?"

Because in HotD I felt the same, you know. It's hard not to view a desire to be in the loop through that lens a bit.

But it's definitely not a townie movie. It's just a question for me of if this is scum motivation or townie jealousy.

Who did you feel that way about? I don't see Bingle in HotD playerlist

No I mean in HotD I felt that way.

I was excluded from the mechanics by our King and spent 4 days literally checked out of the game despite apparently post game having disgusting reads and being 5/5 on my stated town block day 1.

I checked out of the game for a few reasons but the major one was essentially people saying "nah we'll keep the game in this circle and away from you"

So I KNOW what it feels like to like... be excluded and want to look in.

But it's also strictly wrong.

the question for me is : "Is bingle arrogant enough to think his input is better than cold mathematics?"

I don't really see the connection all the way here. It's still Day 1, no one is "locking Bingle out," and I can see scum motivation for Bingle's play here.

[SirCakez]

not doing anything but defending yourself and not hunting for scum is not alignment indicative?

asking others to explain their dubious reads on me is not hunting for scum?

Got scum pings from this post. This feels like the kind of defensive BS I post when I get pushed as scum.

do you think that std *wasn't* misrepping me there?

like, do you think that nono and furtive's scumreads on me were reasonable / understandable? and that i shouldn't have asked about them?

I don't think there was anything wrong with you questioning bad scumreads on you but I do find it questionable that it feels like you are not doing much else besides that and riding the this game is a bummer train.

[SirCakez]

I'm also fine with Ausaka being pushed because that slot reeks to high heaven.

why? StD said the same thing but no one is explaining it and I would like it if it was bc Ausuka is one of my few TRs this game.

[SirCakez]

I don't think there was anything wrong with you questioning bad scumreads on you but I do find it questionable that it feels like you are not doing much else besides that and riding the this game is a bummer train.

moving the goalposts...

ypu said you mindmelded with pooky about this earlier. pooky specifically said that i'm not playing like tryhard town or tryhard scum. what does that tell you? why is that scummy?

just tell me what you want to say here you obviously have something in mind

[SirCakez]

just tell me what you want to say here you obviously have something in mind

you're pointing out my low engagement as scum-indicative. with the idea being - townies have high engagement, scum has low engagement.

i have been known to tryhard both as town and as scum. so that nice and clean dichotomy is not applicable to me.

so i am asking your thoughts on my slot, with that info in mind.

okay well if this is the case I need to figure out why you are playing this way this game. What is the motivation (or lack of)? Why are you playing this way?

[SirCakez]

i dunno. cakez is tricky. i was pretty sure he was scum in legends of business but i was wrong there. im trying to see if theres anything different about his play and if anything he feels slightly more present but still not like exerting thread control or being the main poster

I feel like I'm going to have a hard time reading cakez this game because I had a cakez read in my grasp and then the whole OOG AtE thing happened and it ate my WIM and all the pressure on that slot and now people are just townbinning it and I'm not sure that's a good idea but I literally can't commit to pushing the slot because of what happened because I don't want to destroy my WIM again, and on top of that it might be kind of like, biased on my part to see scum there given everything so.

You can push me I'm not going to get upset again (not like you need permission but ya don't want you to feel bad)
I was frustrated at the way the game opened earlier because it felt like you were pushing me over literally nothing and repeating a general site pattern I've been in. If you have some real reasons then I wanna hear them.

[SirCakez]

hm okay

[SirCakez]

Please kill lld and STD after I die

Bye

Yeah +1 to furtive, this seems over the top

[SirCakez]

this game is not it I take it back

[SirCakez]

i read the last five pages im out i cant do the drama today see yall tomorrow

[SirCakez]

Reading

LLD you can just talk to me if you think I'm scum or want to ask me stuff. I promise I won't get upset.

[SirCakez]

i read the last five pages im out i cant do the drama today see yall tomorrow

Could you respond to the not drama part where I asked you to explain what scum Bingle gains from outing the info I want outed? That’s be cool.

I don't know, could be tons of things. We have no idea what the JOATs do and we don't know if scum know either. If they don't, they'll probably want to know real fast to know if they need to worry about sort of PR - cop, vig, JK, whatever. I feel it is town's favor to keep that stuff secret as long as possible.

[SirCakez]

As well I feel you have done essentially no scumhuntng the entire game outside of like one reads list that you didn't really follow up on.

[SirCakez]

Hi Xofelf!

[SirCakez]

With llds point it's more likely. But it's not likely to go anywhere it just seems like a vanity vote at this point. Unless all wagons are on scum, why not just wagon

Ok maybe it won't go anywhere. But I want to make my stances on stuff more clear on stuff I feel strongly about. And I want to see if anyone else also SRs Bingle.

[SirCakez]

Cakez, as an addendum to Bingle's response/questions for you

do you think the current council is all town?

No way Im scum or null on most of them.

[SirCakez]

I pretty much can never really TR Pooky again after he bamboozled me in L3 in a large theme a while ago

[SirCakez]

VIG EXTRAORDINAIRES FOREVER CAKEZ

YOU BROKE ME

[SirCakez]

Hmmm that's a good point

[SirCakez]

Bingle what do you think of my assessment that you have done very little scumhunting this game beyond the readslist that wasn't followed up on?

[SirCakez]

Meowth [ 5 ] unowen, guiltylion, Save the dragons, LLD, Sleepykrew

This wagon just isn't it. Meowth has some scummy posts but I have the general vibe this is scummy limbait town. The readslist was bad but I see town post crud like that all the time, it's just weirdly explained and off-the-cuff. I don't really feel like this is gonna flip scum.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler: for cakez only

nope im broken that wont work anymore

[SirCakez]

Meowth [ 5 ] unowen, guiltylion, Save the dragons, LLD, Sleepykrew

This wagon just isn't it. Meowth has some scummy posts but I have the general vibe this is scummy limbait town. The readslist was bad but I see town post crud like that all the time, it's just weirdly explained and off-the-cuff. I don't really feel like this is gonna flip scum.

To add onto this I don't even really think this is a super scum-pushed wagon, maybe like 1 or 2 on here. I just think town is going the wrong direction.

[SirCakez]

I am also townbinning ActionDan good analysis on page 63.

[SirCakez]

Xof can you sort your reads list into semi-organized town-null-scum bins?

[SirCakez]

Bingle what do you think of my assessment that you have done very little scumhunting this game beyond the readslist that wasn't followed up on?

I’d say that I have been scumhunting, it’s just not the only thing I’ve been doing. I’d also say that I have followed up on the reads list, in that I’ve directly solicited feedback and discussion about individual reads.

If you wanted to not argue in bad faith and ask why I haven’t voted anyone, the answer is that I think it’s better to have no elimination today at the moment and am still working towards that end.

Why is no elim good today?

[SirCakez]

Yeah but if the PRs die we don't get their results from that night

[SirCakez]

We should use the sheriff assignation as a pseudovig. I will almost certainly be voting Enchant for Sheriff.
I strongly lean towards no elimination D1 because the level of swing in the setup from the smalltown nature means there likely no extra killing roles and D1 is the best day to skip a lim.

Yes, but if the cop dies and we don’t get an investigation, scum just shot someone we thought was reasonably scummy instead of someone who was actually a townread.

If enchant doesn’t die, we’re not forced to trust the results we get long term because we can just pick a new cop (who can then investigate enchant, leading to a feedback loop of cleared sus townies)

This is a cool idea but I also feel like I'd rather just have straight up clears from someone reasonably townie then put scummy people in as bait. Scum can't shoot the cop every time.

[SirCakez]

I'm on phone I'll respond to the big bingle post later on computer

[SirCakez]

Why is no elim good today?

Not specifically a response to this, but this is representative:

Why were you so sure that I was scum trying to twist mechspeak to my advantage when you clearly didn't understand what my mechspeak was? Like, LLD was absent in the early game while I was going over this because of the shutdown of her push on you, fine. But why weren't you expressing doubts then if you were were concerned instead of now when we've halfway committed to my plan (see enchant actually being cop).

Why did you decide to call me scum instead of ask for clarification when you clearly didn't understand anything I was advocating?

Do you genuinely believe that "Twisting the mechanics to benefit scum" is how

I

play mafia? I who am especially liable to be BOP'd on bad speculation and mechanics given my sole contributions to the site have been reviewing large and complicated games for balance and mechanical breaks over the last year and a half and was semi retired from playing the game even before that? Especially given that this is the only Shea game that I haven't been the main reviewer for since 2020 afaik, and so am even more likely than most to have an insight into how he builds and balances setups?

Walk me through any town thought process that explains your approach to me, because I'm seeing like no genuine attempt at sorting and instead just kind of a handwaivy "I don't see anything towny from Bingle" and "Bingle is talking about mechanics, he's probably scum."

-Because it didn't make sense to me and I saw scum motivation in it, which obviously as GL pointed out wasn't correct. But I'm still not a fan of your play outside the mech and you're saying that you are scumhunting and pushing things but I don't really get that vibe at all from your play or looking at your ISO. I went in your ISO and read everything from the readslist down and I haven't seen one post that tells me you even care who is scum. Is this just how you play? Should I write it off as that? I don't know.

-Why would I ask for clarification from someone I find scummy? I ended up getting it anyways so I don't see why that was an issue.

-Why wouldn't you play mafia that way?? You are an expert on mafia mechanics and know this mod's setups in and out, like you just said. While I don't think this is true anymore after clarification, at the time it seemed pretty obvious to me that someone as skilled at mechanics as you would be able to find a way to twist a wacky setup like this into scum's favor. I don't play with you very often. You're acting like I should know you so well and I really don't. I'm not using meta here at all.
And this engagement with you that I have been doing for the last few pages is exactly how I am trying to figure you out and sort you. How are you gonna come out and say I'm not trying to sort you while I'm voting you and having this convo with you?

[SirCakez]

I know I'm over the mech argument with him that's not part of my push anymore

[SirCakez]

Also I'm letting it be known now that I will be CAMPAIGNING FOR TRASH COLLECTOR TOMORROW
CAKEZ FOR TRASH DAY TWO

[SirCakez]

I agree with StD - Xofs reads aren't really taking any big stances on anything - only two scum reads with one being the main wagon and the other being a player who isn't even in the game anymore does not inspire any confidence.

Bingle long post needs long post tmrw

[SirCakez]

xofelf ur pfp is so cute what the heck

what does pfp mean I'm internet illiterate

[SirCakez]

also sick pagetop

[SirCakez]

Man's got 51 posts, a good third are him telling us he's going to sleep or he's tired or he forgot about the game.

I mean his name is SleepyKrew he's just doing what he told us he was going to

[SirCakez]

xofelf ur pfp is so cute what the heck

what does pfp mean I'm internet illiterate

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ya I figured that I mean like what does the acronym literally stand for I'm curious

[SirCakez]

Also I'm letting it be known now that I will be CAMPAIGNING FOR TRASH COLLECTOR TOMORROW
CAKEZ FOR TRASH DAY TWO

I will take a declaration for any role prior to determining our cop pool as a scum claim.

this is so annoying
me trying to have fun and continue my trash campaign
gets declared scum

[SirCakez]

pro file pic

wack but makes sense

[SirCakez]

okay that last page was pretty useless responding to Bingle now

[SirCakez]

Spoiler: The 10 Most Recent Scumhunting Oriented Posts By Bingle, All Conveniently after Bingle's readslist

First off, I don't believe that any of the interactions we've had would have happened if I weren't pushing you so I don't really count that as scumhunting. I can't even tell if you think I'm scum.

1 - convo initiated by me
2 - convo initiated by me
3 - about me and essentially a defensive response
4 - about me and essentially a defensive response
5 - sure I'll give you this one. so one.
6 - literally nothing - meme??
7 - loosely scumhunting if we are counting asking someone for reads, i guess
8 - literally nothing
9 - not scumhunting under any definition really
10 - saying you didn't have an issue with one post, which again is not really scumhunting

I go through all of these and maybe a couple can count as "scumhunting" under a loose definition, but I don't really see you pushing anyone in these (except for me in response to my push), or talking about who you think is scum or talking about your reads

[SirCakez]

here Bingle just answer me this because I think we are not going to get to a clear spot on this

what's your approach to winning this game as town, besides mech? like what is your gameplan to solve people this game and figure out who is scum and who is town?

[SirCakez]

I can vaguely accept that you are unaware of Bingle mechspeak meta, but what bothers me here is the narrative you're trying to build that just isn't true. You're explicitly not trying to understand my posts by your own admission:

What am I not understanding? It would be one thing if you said "yeah I'm not really doing much, but I'm going to ramp up, I'm more focused on mech right now" and I could believe that.

But instead you're coming out here and telling me you are doing stuff to solve the game and find scum when I can look at your ISO and the posts you just quoted and say that's like barely true at best.

[SirCakez]

If you can't read between the lines of "I don't see any possible town motivation for what you're doing" and "Scumreads- SirCakez" then that's probably more a personal failing than anything involved with me. The premise that there's a problem with half of my chronologically sampled scumhunting having to do with my strongest scumread is also laughable.

and yet it took you this long to vote me? I don't buy this scumread at all - you seem to be forcing it out because you have to. I don't buy this coincidence that "your strongest scumread" just happened to develop on the one person pushing you right as they started pushing you.

[SirCakez]

I'm not going through those ten posts again unless someone who is not Bingle wants me to because it's just a waste of time frankly since we're obviously at ends with each other over this

[SirCakez]

SirCakez - I mentioned this briefly, but I think Tracker is the perfect scum role in this setup because it has absolutely no utility for scum. Town tracker is useful (more so in the late game) but not as sexy as cop, so running tracker isn't likely to make as many waves. I feel like Cakez' signal to fluff ratio has been spiking when he comes under suspicion as well, which is slight scum pings.

This and one very early post calling me vaguely scummy are all Bingle has to say about me
Then I started pushing him and suddenly I've turned into his strongest scumread? yeah okay.

[SirCakez]

Yeah Gimli reps into like every game it's inevitable he shows up here

[SirCakez]

I pushed Xof for that readslist because I was struggling to get a sense of where they were landing on people from the big reads dump

[SirCakez]

TvT vibes

agree on this, I think Bingle is generally more Correct in his points but the way Cakez will acknowledge that he made a mistake or discard valid points against his arguments while continuing to push his Bingle tunnel feels more likely to be town bullheadedness

What are the valid points I'm discarding? When Bingle says things that are legit (like me being wrong on the mech argument) I'm acknowledging it.

[SirCakez]

LOL

[SirCakez]

Yeah Gimli reps into like every game it's inevitable he shows up here

[SirCakez]

Okay I don't want to talk about Bingle for 24 hours can it be done

[SirCakez]

It looks like this Meowth elim is going through, which like whatever the slot has to go before LyLo but I don't particularly feel this is likely to flip scum

[SirCakez]

Okay I don't want to talk about Bingle for 24 hours can it be done

In all seriousness, though, does no one else find it the slightest bit interesting that roughly half* of cakez iso is for or about Bingle and now that people are dismissing it as a town tunneling cakez suddenly has no interest in litigating the read?

*I used control f and looked at the number of appearances of Bingle, not a direct count of posts.

Why do you think I said I didn't want to talk about you today? I don't think there's anything left to put in this discussion and it seems like no one else has appetite for this wagon so what's even the point of continuing to blast stuff

[SirCakez]

VOTE: unowen
I guess I'll make it clear that of the wagons that might actually go through today I'd prefer this one to Meowth

[SirCakez]

Why do you think I said I didn't want to talk about you today? I don't think there's anything left to put in this discussion and it seems like no one else has appetite for this wagon so what's even the point of continuing to blast stuff

I think it's quite clear that the point of my post is that your reaction here reinforces my belief that your push on me wasn't actually to get me eliminated or sort me (See, notable lack of actually engaging people like furtive/unowen/gl over their reasons for townreading me or people who weren't expressing any read on me (STD/LLD) to solicit votes), but rather to achieve this:

TvT vibes

TvT vibes

agree on this, I think Bingle is generally more Correct in his points but the way Cakez will acknowledge that he made a mistake or discard valid points against his arguments while continuing to push his Bingle tunnel feels more likely to be town bullheadedness

What are the valid points I'm discarding? When Bingle says things that are legit (like me being wrong on the mech argument) I'm acknowledging it.

Cakez that's basically all I'm saying, you're acknowledging points Bingle is making that seem to refute some of your reasons for suspecting him, but then continuing to suspect him regardless. I didn't mean you were ignoring things, I meant "discard" in the sense of they don't seem to be weakening your read.

if you want I can double back and find specific arguments I was referring to, I'm just lazy quick replying rn

My point is that the scum motivation of this push wasn't actually to get me to be the lim, it was to make people dismiss you as "tunneled town" and not look deeper into solving your alignment.

What else am I supposed to do to get you limmed here? No one is listening to me, no one else even voted you except I think like Enchant, I laid out all my reasoning for scumreading you and it's not working. I'm out of options here today so I'm gonna come back to you when we've worked through more lims. And of course you found a way to twist this into being scummy somehow.

[SirCakez]

And we're down to 48 hours so we just need to coalesce and push something through

[SirCakez]

waiting room for day one to end

[SirCakez]

the scum team was disgusting, we never had a chance ;_;

but maybe we would have had a slightly bigger one if I WAS TRASH MAN
ahhhhh

[SirCakez]

I will say I feel validated that Bingle was scum and my early instinct was correct. Sometimes I give up on myself because no one agrees with me which is sometimes the play but not always.