Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

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/confirm

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Bonus Points: There is a STRONG chance that some people who would not have otherwise posted with tics will now do so just to annoy you.

and strider.
it's like a 2 for 1 deal!

::::)

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A tiny, tiny bit.
But not much if the people playing know what they're doing.

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Welp, Strider rolled vanilla townie.

...

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welp, strider's town.
(OH HEY LOOK I DIDN'T DO THAT BAD THING)

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I don't mind it so much since the replace out early = VT is terrible and inaccurate and only works because most people usually are VTs, but it's still stupid to call people VTs in thread.

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god confirmation phase is boring
i want to vote people, shit

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Vote: Noir

I'm assuming that was Faraday, so sheeping time.
Also nikanor is town because those reads are out of space.

God I hate the usernames in this game what the fuck were you people thinking when you typed most of that shit in

Both Phil and Nachoman have painfully awkward posts but Phil's first post seems somewhat genuine, meanwhile Nacho's pretending that he's so freakin' PROTOWN and excited to LYNCH SOME SCUM!

no, I was pretending that I was bored and ready to actually play because being able to post but not being able to do anything meaningful sucks

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If it feels so fake, then why aren't people voting me for it?
You're voting Noir because you want him to make a post with content even though it's pretty early Day 1, and Vifam is voting someone else because he was told to.
Don't back down from your suspicions.

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Also i don't see how your vote is any different seeing as your voting on Noir solely because you saw Faraday vote for Noir.

But I don't have an actual suspicion right now.
For people that have something that they've seen as scummy and end up voting someone else, the situation is different.

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so most of the posting in the thread right now seems useless.
so I am probably going to lurk for a little while.

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This is a p good list other then the cubix and robo but I think this is more literally doing what Titan is accusing Phil of.

Eh, no really. I'm not really accusing Phill of being scummy because he made the lists . People have different ways of playing/sorting things out. It's because he made sure people knew he put in ~effort~ into making the lists, and saying that he ISOed everyone and gave reasons, etc, for his suspicions. It just looks like he put in effort to make it look like he wasn't being wishy wash, which just comes off as contrived and unnatural at that stage.

this makes exactly zero sense

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Unvote, Vote: Paschendale

Welp, that was scummy as fuck. And it means that I get to start reading the game.
But today is going to be an amazing day and is going to involve lots of drinking, so I do not see myself staying sober enough to play mafia for long.
See you guys sunday.

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Unvote, Vote: DeasVail

damn shame, but the pasch is town as fuck
not rereading today, I guess

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I don't see any scum player who is getting run up in one of his games where yes he is scum who gets legitimately frustrated and just quits. Scum can get pissed about getting found out for the wrong reasons, sure, but that's not what this is about. This is Pasch saying I LITERALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHY ANYONE IS FINDING ME SCUM WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON I CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT I'M GOING TO INSTANTLY GET LYNCHED FUCK IT I AM DONE WITH THIS SHIT, which to me, is pretty fucking town. There's also the reach out to Vifam before he replaces out which seems a lot less like scum trying to tie themselves to someone before they go down (I guess that's the scum version of that, right?) and more like frustrated town looking for a friend.

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oooh I read someone who said I called Enigma scum earlier, that's right.
deasvail is probably being an easy mislynch like usual anyways

Unvote, Vote: combinatorialEnigma

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Unvote, Vote: buldermar

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Also, how did I suddenly transform from scum to easy mislynch?

you were never scum
you were the second largest wagon though

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But what was the point in voting me? I know I'm erratic, but I always have some sort of warped reason for doing things. Also the way you said I was probably an easy mislynch anyway doesn't really match with "I was never scum".

PEdit: I wouldn't consider that particularly alignment-relevant in Nacho's case, but maybe you're right, I don't know.

You were the second largest wagon, and I wanted to lend my hand to the counterwagon because I figured maybe they knew sort of what they were doing. But I didn't really find you scum.

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Unvote, Vote: combinatorialEnigma

If I explain myself now, then I'll ruin everything that I'm trying to do right now and will have to play

conventional

. Which, quite frankly, would just be disgusting.

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Malp is town for his reaction to claim.

I don't know, I want to vote buldermar on policy because of the claim, and I don't really click with him anyway.

This is TERRIBLE.
So, so, so TERRIBLE.

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sure.

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Town doesn't claim scum. Never at all.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2363057

Yep, you got me, I claim Mafia Poisoner.

some things are easier to prove than others

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I want to play unconventional too.

I claim scum.

He's emulating my playstyle in his own special way, which ends up being a Slayer's Gambit of sorts which is of course a stupid move but not necessarily a scummy one.
If I find a game where someone claims mafia and isn't immediately joking and yet is somehow town, will you unvote? That will take significant legwork on my part and I don't want to do it for you if you're just going to be drowning in your tunnel.

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buldermar, can you please tell malp that you were claiming scum in order to get reactions from people so he unvotes you? it's fun to be obstinate and a bit of an ass, but it's not effective unless you learn to play damage control after.

play damage control.

unfortunately malp doesn't care about that

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which meant that he had exactly one vote on him.

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In a 30 man game where Jesters are likely or indies with unconventional win conditions?

sigh~

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buldermar, can you please tell malp that you were claiming scum in order to get reactions from people so he unvotes you? it's fun to be obstinate and a bit of an ass, but it's not effective unless you learn to play damage control after.

I think it is a bit anti-town of you to effectively lower my odds of getting useful reactions from people by explaining my motive when there is merely one person voting me and 16 required to get lynched. L-15 hardly requires damage control. What's your incentive to do this?

I don't care about today's lynch, that's not the damage I'm referring to.
If you go on too much longer and ACTUALLY make a big deal out of this like you totally can, then the vig's hands will be tied in having to shoot you in order to free up some stubborn town voters (there will be a lot of them, trust me), which means that if the vig is even sort of a decent player you take away a town-controlled kill for the night when you could have just played normally and not caused a shit storm. In addition, you're going to create discussion that is essentially useless for the next 10 pages because you are SO edgy and SO unconventional and my god people just won't be able to resist your crazy antics. I've gotten three good reads from this business and only needed to read a page to get both of them; more pages might offer a couple more, but we won't get much more than that. Instead people will get frustrated because this is the type of thing people feel strongly about, and they will band together and ignore anything that you or I will say for the rest of the game, which is *probably* a bad thing. Having super polarizing D1s can be good when it's an X vs X situation, where each wagon is headed by people who are generally town and feel strongly about the wagon they are pushing, but it is bad when it's X or not X because instead of two viable scum candidates, there will probably only be one, and with things being multiball and scumbags feeling less obligated to bus scum will be harder to catch so things will probably end in a mislynch and then you get vigged and then two sane people will be killed by scum and that's not the sort of start I would like to have.

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Unvote, Vote: Cheery Dog

hey
hey guys
I found scum!

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is nacho good mans? ok, but good mans not psychic

don't call nacho good man
good men don't smoke, dear wutlolski.

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I guess I can give you people I'm reading null.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
oh god this guy is scum
oh god

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I'll explain this one later, don't worry.
I will return.
tomorrow.

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Yeah it's not going to take 3 hours, I seriously don't feel up to analysing that much as it will just give me headaches full of paranoia (therefore divide the time I said it will take approx by 6)

2. combinatorialEnigma - from games they've died in, I believe I can establish that they like to post fluff as town, I have no knowledge of their scumgame.
3. Nachomamma8 - on pasch "scummy as fuck" to "town as fuck" from two posts in a row - this gives me bad vibes.
4. AurorusVox - ISO tells me nothing
5. Alduskkel - Hasn't posted since confimation stage, confirmation stage posts aren't telling me much.
7. malpascp - I fail to develop anything here, I can am seeing both sides of this story.
9. Paschendale - Votes have been bad, unsure what to make of his replace out, will wait for replacement for more information regarding this slot.

unvote buldermar

- Looking back over what he has written, I think he might be town now, but then again I did skim his posts as went I try to reread them I just go "bleh", the red font isn't helping.
15. ActionDan - Mostly gut says this is plausible, nothing is really telling me logically either way.
16. SoraAdvent - another completely nothing file, hooray.
17. Maenara - the most nothingest possible..
21. BroodKingEXE - and another pretty much nothing I can't do anything with
24. Guy_Named_Riggs - compeltely nothing here, vote on DeasVail doesn't seem useful
27. numberQ - and finally we arrive to another slot without content, one I will expect will need replaced at some stage (along with probably the other completely nulls)

people missing from this list are my townreads, and I'm not going to give reasons for them, probably won't either. (I did decide to move some off the null list I gave before)

Ok, my main scumreads are Paschendale & Nachomamma, given that Paschendale has now gone to be a replacement, I will go the secondary option unless I see something better.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

@porfevor, yes I haven't been scumhunting that hard so far this game, and this probably still doesn't mean much, but there you go.

god this is such BULLSHIT
murder him

I did have the same bad vibes when I read the post, and looking over his ISO, I couldn't find where I actually had good vibes coming from him.

"hi nacho is scum for calling him town and then calling him scum"
"oh wait nacho is scum, i was wrong when I called him town"
GET OUT
YOU ARE SCUM

oh yeah and the fact that you find me scummy for doing what you did (except I actually gave reasons for one of my switches, I think)

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If I feel it is required for me to give reasons, then yes, otherwise no.

I was dayvigged recently in another game by someone I didn't believe, and since that happened I am currently believable of those who apparently claim vig.
I will lower my null list when it gets possible, currently there are too many inactives to get clear reads.

"oh hai i believe you because I don't want to get shot"
BLOOD

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I just realized that Nacho who was recently voted by Cheery Dog is also on the infamous null list. Hilarious.

Did you also notice that I said I didn't have any true scumreads at the time of posting the null list? Yeah that helps.

And I voted you at whatever that time was because
1. You had claimed (and unclaimed) scum, I have no idea why you were doing this.
2. The whole conversation at the stage was putting you in bad light.
3. You using red font is annoying.
3a. This is because I am used to all players using black.
3b. When used in large quantities it makes reading more annoying.
3c. It looks awful when quoted and annoys my eyes even more when I switch from reading black>red>black>red

he was a null read, but you were voting him because the conversation was putting him in a bad light and he claimed scum?
die scum die

SUPER SIMPLE

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I don't know, I want to vote buldermar on policy because of the claim, and I don't really click with him anyway.

no, you specifically voted him on policy
then listened to him a while, and unvoted

cheery voted buldermar (null read) because the conversation put him in a bad light (this suggests leaning scum) and because he claimed scum, and cheery didn't know why he did that (doesn't make sense).

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Hmm ok, I still think he's town not puting much effort in, and being pretty obvious about it.

why town?

buldermar, I just wanted to focus on the disconnect between not having any scumreads and yet voting you for coming off in a bad light during the conversation and claiming scum being the most important reason but not meaning anything

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WHAT IS EVEN BEING SAID IN THIS THREAD
STOP ARGUING THROUGH ALL OF YOUR TRIVIALITIES AND VOTE SOME SCUMBAGS

tazaro is town though, so that's chill i think

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<3 quadz
</3 cheery dog
</3 Tazaro wagon

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I am polarizing. Some say I'm to burn at the stake. Some think I am town, pure and simple.
Vote for someone who does not have as much town reads on them

this is terrible reasoning coming from Tazaro, but not terrible reasoning in general
it's hard as fuck to work on the entire game, so lots of people have a town read on someone, they are a poor lynch
not all of those motherfuckers can be scum, after all

Tazaro, you should probably vote Cheery Dog, though.
And everyone else can keep trying to explain why they are finding him town.

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I am scared to tell you all to stop voting for Cheery just in case he's scum, but I'm close to doing it, if that means anything.

you're super fucking town, i get it

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still wrong though <3

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This game is losing energy real fast

It's about time it does.
Before there was tons of buzzing and no movement forward.

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Buldermar, it's not null because it's DeasVail, and DV scum and DV town are two very different beasts.

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Him and I both played a game together called Always On, where I ended up buddying him hard for the majority of the game and chatted with him a shitton. I have talked with him a lot as a result of that, and have a pretty good grasp on his meta, I think.

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50-page d1

we have 30 players.
this is sort of to be expected.

zzz let's lynch tazaro

pretty sure I commented on why this was not the best of ideas earlier
why do you disagree?

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I am noting the mutual circle jerk/whiteknighting between Phil and Robo

shooooosh

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Do you mean shush?

No, I mean calm down a bit because you are jumping at shadows that are not there.
The mutual circle-jerk between robo and Phil to which you were referring was actually robo commenting that Phil was burned by you. The fact that I can gather this in my skimfest and you're missing it tells me that you're getting a bit too jumpy, and you will be useless in finding scum if you jump on every single thing.

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I think it's time, boys and girls.
The first official reread of this thread.

Titan gets to be the first official townread in this official reread; the Vote-HeavyFoS on Phil combines with the later voteswitch on Phil is pretty baller. He takes a real effort to salvage something from the confirmation phase (at this point, don't really give a shit about it anymore), so that's +++ points for Ser Arthur Dayne.

Vifam is town for early game hunting; he drops a lot of wagons before he has to as scum, and he's cautious to avoid angry initial kneejerks. Phil is town because my god does he feel town. He's scumhunting, he's posting all lighthearted and free, not like his dirty scumfuck posting.

Epic made me laugh in #245, which is a good call for him because I usually laugh at town shit. #248 is also interesting because he calls Phil out for spouting wiki tells (which is fine; it shows he's using a resource to help him scumhunt better. he's a big enough boy to fake scumtells.).

Pasch taking an obvious claim seriously is not a scumtell. It's a little strange so *might* come from scum, but I doubt it.

Robocopter is town, which is good. I didn't really want to lynch him anyways.

Skyman is so brutally honest; he reminds me of Metabot. Probably not scum, though. Probably will be lynched regardless of what anyone does, though.

Porfervor might be town, despite whatever I said when I was reading the thread. Jury's still out on this one, but I like how he's the first one to bring back Alduskkel into the discussion, and I like how they have the "I'm a loose cannon, they're the waller" synergy going when my scumhydra tactics usually amount to "lynch the fuck out of anything that moves".

#344 is the final town nail in the town coffin. Or whatever the hell that expression is for not killing people.

I don't think that Tammy would let Arthur be regarded as the dominant head over herself in a scum hydra. Not for a second, nope nope.

Pasch ignores what would be an easy lynch in Cheery Dog, ignores what would be an easy lynch in DeasVail, ignores what would be an easy vote by keeping his old one on Alasark, and decides that Rubik and I need more scrutiny. Doesn't exactly seem like scum in over their head to me, personally.

Cheery Dog - "I don't see problems in this thread except what people have already questioned" This implies that he has scumreads, or people that are asking the questions he wants them to and thus should have people to sheep. But instead it's just an excuse for not posting anything. Burn it with fire.

BROOD - Throws a little bit of suspicion here and there, wagon hops without shit. Sounds like he needs a good roping to me.

good as any at the moment.

VOTE: Comvinatoriall

BURN THIS SHIT NOW
BURN IT NOW

actually cheery dog does look fucking terrible in light of mini 1368. it's like he hit his head or something

he hit his head on the SCUM BAR OF JUSTICE
so lynch him, ty

Hmm ok.

Unvote: Vifam

Vote: Cheery Dog

this is so town that I had to let out a hearty chuckle
oh deasvail
they should make a sitcom for you
and your towniness

Nikanor is on town crack.

I'm decidedly undecided on BT. I bet myself a dollar he wasn't actually going to catch up when he said he was, but he... did. And his posting was pretty good when he did. So I would call him town if I wasn't pissed at losing a dollar to himself.

Toro, I expected you to do better with reading Robo. He's playing to a specified playstyle (like you), except he's not hiding behind a gimmick alt like you are. Not that hiding behind gimmick alts are bad, of course, it's just a different risk to pull that random playstyle out of your ass when people can be like "oh, he doesn't play like this normally. let's lynch the fuck out of him."

ISO Pasch and laugh. Please just do it.

unvote, Vote: Paschendale

I don't think I need to iso him for that to happen.
UNVOTE: ]
VOTE: paschendale

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
...a lot.

Why aren't you killing Nacho? He's doing the exact same thing except not even voting. He just says "hmmm, that's interesting." I'm reaching actual conclusions.

WAIT WAIT WAIT
THIS ISN'T AS BAD AS YOU THINK
For one, he's trying to deflect the lynch onto me when he is afraid of me as town and him scum.
For two, this is a follow up on his earlier suspicion of me.
And the suspicion makes sense! We've played together twice, and both times it was a newbie game so I played my typical newbie town self and not a fucking troll for the first half of the first day.
So he's town!
SO QUIT FUCKING VOTING HIM

Alright, time to lurk like a pro at the back of the pack.

Oh hey Nacho hows it going

oh look at robo calling me out
this is good shit, good shit

I legit have no idea how you guys are finding me scummy here. I'm really completely at a loss for how you discern alignment out of a game so stuffed with garbage that nobody even looks like they're trying.

I'll just replace out and you guys can play with someone who understands how these big games work. And I'll probably avoid them in the future. They're not nearly as fun for me as I thought they would be.

Mod: I'd like to be replaced.

so town
so completely and totally town
you have no reads and everyone is wagonning you, so you replace out
if you're scum, you're curious how everyone is picking up on your scumfuck self so you eat the lynch

malp is def town. buldermar is def town. kanaya is def town.

CHEERY DOG IS STILL FUCKING SCUM HOLY SHIT.

FUCK YEA I WAS RIGHT ABOUT SKYMAN BEING TOWN
SUCK IT

fox protecting the hound is still town deas, even though he is wrong as fuck
that sounded oddly familiar, but w/e

Cheery Dog lurks and wagonhops while not under pressure, doesn't find anything to comment on while not under pressure, but when he is under pressure, he suddenly finds shit to comment about and, lo and behold, it's still scummy as fuck.

Aldu is scum, lynch him whenever.

Cheery dog is hitting my sympathy button.

I think you're confusing it with that other s word that I really like.

Tazaro busts in this bitch, starts calling everyone's townreads scum and begins spamming the thread half up to hell.
Sounds like townzaro to me, please do not lynch.

Going to recede for a while ...

pap

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TOWN:
buldermar
DeasVail
TAZARO
Vifam
Titan
Epic
Skyman
Robocop
Porfevor
Wutlolski
Malp
Sunshine and Rainbows

SCUM
Alduskel
CHEERY DOG
Brood
Faraday? Maybe?

obviously there are more townreads than scumreads
don't lynch my townreads
will probably be down for whatever the fuck else

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xtopherusD

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you have no reads and everyone is wagonning you, so you replace out
if you're scum, you're curious how everyone is picking up on your scumfuck self so you eat the lynch

I think some people find being lynched on day 1 as scum shameful and will thus opt to replace out with some (from their perspective) dignity when they realize that a lynch is likely unavoidable. Why do you rule this out?

mmmmmmm
I don't think Pasch thought the lynch was unavoidable.
I think Pasch just got frustrated because I prefer shaving with Occam's Razor.

I don't think that Tammy would let Arthur be regarded as the dominant head over herself in a scum hydra. Not for a second, nope nope.

nah she totally would.

ok well titan is still town for other reasons
so there

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pretty sure you're reading this incorrectly. he doesn't even as much as acknowledge the playstyle different between the 2 games, it's fairly obviously not what he's going for.

he didn't, no, because he's not a good enough town player to realize when transparency is a good thing.
doesn't mean it's not what he's going for. he obviously isn't very confident, but he sees the difference and wants people to discuss it.

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the point is the acknowledgement isn't based on some percieved change of playstyle from you, it's far more whiny than that. 'why is that guy okay but I'm getting wagoned'.
it seems like you really want to read him as town and it's colouring your vision of the slot to me

'why is this guy that I suspect okay but I'm getting wagoned' is different.
And don't you DARE bring up confirmation bias with me, especially with the pasch read.

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if this was f2f you'd be sheeping me and this would be easier well okay i think he'll probably get lynched due to people being bored anyway so it's nbd

you have a scum read on cheery dog too, right?
why aren't you voting him over Taz?

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No one is gonna vote Malp and Im probably wrong about him, fuck it


UNVOTE:

gimmie that cheery dog vote
please?

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quadz, Tazaro joined my Cheery Dog wagon in #1215.[/b

Fixed.

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Yeah I'm referring to spam as cluttering the thread pretty much.

Let's try and end this day today please.

this is why this is going to be a mislynch
and this is why I'm done doing shit for a while

This is obviously going to be a big game, which means that some people will have posting styles you do not like that much. It means Day 1 is going to last a very, very long time. But if you vote someone because you don't like their playstyle and they have a big wagon, then.

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hammered in the pedit
of course

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Vote: Cheery Dog

will probably sheep fate when he votes, but the dog is still scum

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or at least take your vote off cheery dog since he has no other votes on him and is no worse than combinatorial or paschendale and vote paschendale instead since you called him bad. or vote combinatorial

actually cheery dog does look fucking terrible in light of mini 1368. it's like he hit his head or something

cheery dog you are so fucking bad

MAKE HER A MEMBER OF THE MIDNIGHT CREW

I'm concerned with Naho protecting Tazaro

Against Faraday, who was also Lord English aligned?

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malp reasoning sucks
vote cheery dog

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I don't actually have anything new for Nacho-scum (still only the scummy as fuck then town as fuck, now with added bonus of pasch flipping scum)

cheery all you are doing is keeping me alive
and that is bad for your team

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Cheery Dog's interactions with flipped scum place him firmly in the suboptimal lynch pile for today.

sorry what

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Malp reasoning is bad because it draws scum connections where there really isn't any, and malp's reaction to buldermar's scumclaim (tunneling on a townie) was pretty fucking genuine and it probably makes him town. There were a lot of people who voted me in the RVS for "sounding awkward", and then backed off awkwardly later. And now because he's had that interaction with flipped scum makes him scum? No. It's just people attacking things that are not scumtells and backing off when they realize they were wrong. Cheery Dog interactions are a bit more damning because they are ACTUAL INTERACTIONS; Noir defends Cheery Dog early when the pressure wasn't all that much, and then when he sees the wagon's not going anywhere, he steps back and rips on his horrible play every once and a while to get him to vote but NEVER ACTUALLY VOTES HIM.

Guys, lets get this straight. Do you think Tazaro, not Pasch, just Tazaro, is scummy enough to get lynched? I know this is not the only thing to take into account, but it would be nice to know after all why people are going back to that wagon after it lost some steam when Pasch replaced out.

This is a valid question. In fact, this is one of the good things that malp's brought to the table. People who weren't satisfied with the Pasch wagon started jumping on Tazaro with shitty reasoning, so it's a good observation to see if these people think that Tazaro is scummy or are just riding the "pasch is scum" wave.

You look at what Cheery Dog has done and you say "that's stupid". You look at what malpascp has done and you say "that's scummy".

I can look at what malp does and say "that's stupid as fuck", and I can read his meta to back it up. I mean, here he said that someone was scummy as fuck because they called for a 1v1. THIS IS TOWN MALP. THIS IS WHAT HE DOES.

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If you vote malpascp today, I'll vote Cheery Dog tomorrow.

there's still hope for this wagon yet, and I haven't gotten so frustrated with this game where I will start voting townreads.

also fate you can totally sheep me; cheery dog as scum as they come. you can just glance at his interactions with me and see that.

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also changing my avatar for a little while to force people to read my posts.

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I really don't think Cheery Dog is scum and his wagon rebuilding is lazy and dumb.

So why is the malp wagon so motivated and intelligent? Because I don't feel I've been lazy in pushing this wagon (today).

Wutlolski, have you been afraid to push this wagon because you don't know what to call Cheery? You can call him dogman. Dogman is badman

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We are not going by the redirection theory because that is bad.
BAD.

Deas please stop calling Cheery Dog town
please.

[Nachomamma8]

also, while I'm here, let me say that I'm a bit paranoid of Z's "tryhard" mode today. It's like his scumteam took a hell of a hit yesterday and he wants to STEP UP because someone needs to carry his team now that the Faraday is dead. but he *might* have decided to stop being useless as fuck now that the posting is thinned out a lil' bit?

who knows

[Nachomamma8]

ok
will probably change back to normal avatar when I return home

[Nachomamma8]

BT who are you voting and why.

[Nachomamma8]

Cool, you can be town for the arrogance.

No it's not a valid question. He's basically saying 'oh the wagon lost steam when pasch replaced out, why are you rejoining it'? He's committing the Amished tell for his buddy. Of course you take into view the actions of a replacement's predecessor, especially if they were as scummy as Paschendale's were.

He's just trying to stop his buddy being lynched.

NO THAT IS NOT THE AMISHED TELL GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
GOD DAMN IT

[Nachomamma8]

I tried. But I don't like it when people accuse me of being 'useless as fuck'.

I know, I know.
But it made you towntell pretty hard, which means that people are probably going to sheep you, which means that people are probably going to lynch malpscp over cheery even though this guy is TOTALLY going to flip town. And then you can show a little pity and help me lynch Cheery because I'll prove myself in the meanwhile somehow?

I don't think malp as Pandorica's scumpartner, would be eager to defend one partner from another. I don't think that scum-malp would care why people were voting his partner, and again, don't think he would take pains to defend him against a clearly more experienced and better scumpartner? No, that is stupid.

[Nachomamma8]

OMFG Pandorica is so scum

stop being bad

This is also ridiculously forced.

vintage faraday, a classic

[Nachomamma8]

Looking at the two top lynch candidates I think malscalp is more scummy. The scummiest thing I see about Avox is his very weak Tazaro push(that is non-existent Tazaro push). malpsacp is far more scummy as he has soft defended confirmed scum multiple times and never voted for buldemar who he was flipping out about for confirming scum(still have no idea wtf that is about).
VOTE: Maenara

fire

[Nachomamma8]

Hey, when I finish catching up, do people want just my scum reads or do people actually want the town reads?

i want the townreads.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho so which is more likely? The reasoning he's pushing shows a good amount of thought and looks genuine to me.

i agree he is town as fuck
my wires just got crossed a little

Looking at the two top lynch candidates I think malscalp is more scummy. The scummiest thing I see about Avox is his very weak Tazaro push(that is non-existent Tazaro push). malpsacp is far more scummy as he has soft defended confirmed scum multiple times and never voted for buldemar who he was flipping out about for confirming scum(still have no idea wtf that is about).
VOTE: Maenara

Aren't I currently the second biggest lynch candidate in terms of votes on me?

obvscum

Lol, too many Ms UNVOTE: Maenara
VOTE: malscalp
@Cheery I was talking about the consensus in the thread. From a quick feel I think that they are the most considered candidates. I personally haven't seen anything scummy of you.

obvscum

Unvote, Vote: malpscp

[Nachomamma8]

Fancy how you join the wagon of someone you see as scum, Ald, and then neglect to comment on the wagonee having a post with another of your scumreads. One would think that prime commenting material.

Might you have another reason to not wish to get involved?

P-edit: I really should read the whole Malpscp thing in the morning.

obvscum

[Nachomamma8]

Three.

[Nachomamma8]

Three.

if we base this off the people whose posts you just quoted, why aren't you voting any of them?

i was voting one of them for a while
but now i'm voting town

[Nachomamma8]

And cheery's current whole line of comments serves minimal scum motivation. It's not really getting nacho lynched nor does it help him a ton. Yeah I think he's town based on day 2 posted.

it does absolutely nothing, but he's not getting lynched so FULL STEAM AHEAD

Nacho remind me how brood's obv scum?

you can remember something you've never known
it's just everything he posts

[Nachomamma8]

Guys, lets get this straight. Do you think Tazaro, not Pasch, just Tazaro, is scummy enough to get lynched? I know this is not the only thing to take into account, but it would be nice to know after all why people are going back to that wagon after it lost some steam when Pasch replaced out.

Tazaro is always townish. Nothing else happened and I'm sick.

For all you zombies out there, this is why I think malpascp is scum. Both these posts are very soft defenses of a now confirmed scum.

also this is exactly what zeta said
EXACTLY
but noooo, malp is totally scum and brood is totally town!

[Nachomamma8]

wow, i guess i'm actually ok with malp wagon now
this is weird

[Nachomamma8]

Mae I think you're town. What's your read on me then if it's town would you like to back me up on brood?

town

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Cheery Dog

[Nachomamma8]

because he claimed superjailer.

[Nachomamma8]

and because I thought we were herpderp lynching town but i'm not lynching a claimed pr right now, sry

[Nachomamma8]

You actually believe the claim? Sounds like BS to me

why?
would you believe it if he claimed normal jailkeeper?
would you complained it if he gave flavor justification?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm just ignoring that right now because we prob have a lot of mislynches and he really has to go because I don't want to get played at the end

[Nachomamma8]

he didn't claim an action, which any one who is town would do. He may be hoping for a miracle.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Malpascp

Kill him.

^scum

[Nachomamma8]

he didn't claim an action, which any one who is town would do. He may be hoping for a miracle.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Malpascp

Kill him.

^scum

If you don't want to be marginalized, I suggest that you start explaining why you think not giving town all the information one posesses is something town would do just prior to being lynched.

As you saw firsthand in political corruption mafia, Phil claimed to be a jailkeeper variant and was actually scum. There should be no reason for you to be turned off by the claim here.

I claimed jailer because my role name is modified jailer, hence it being targetted. My targets were myself N1, and Iece N2. I'll admit that the latter was basically at random. Sorry.

hi my name is actiondan and i'm bringing up things that are completely useless

[Nachomamma8]

jailkeeper claims are the common fake-claims of scum roleblockers, for the simple reason that it affords them the ability to tell the truth when claiming their targets and not get caught in a lie.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Nachomamma8]

There should be no reason for you to be turned off by the claim here.

It's because Nacho himself is scum

wheeeeeeeee

[Nachomamma8]

@Cherry: no, I doubt that. My post comes off a bit forceful so if he's working off gut alone one might think that for about 2 sec. For nacho to post that signifies he hasn't thought for more than 2 secs.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but I have a scumread of Nacho, therefore I believe it to be why.
Though I have been trying to hunt him as a possible town seeing as everyone else seems to think that is what he is, but I haven't seen any town motivated answers come out from my interactions with him yet. (he seems to be playing to how I gained townreads on Robo and Deas, but I expect different from Nacho)

why?

[Nachomamma8]

I expect different from Nacho

[Nachomamma8]

especially the part where my differences make me scum and not playing differently

[Nachomamma8]

Just popping in to say that I don't think lynching malp before he gets around to posting some sort of defense is a good idea. Seriously, just be patient and wait for him to not be V/LA. Lynching him before is 1) a dick move and 2) a stupid move.

More later. Haven't read the stuff between this post and my last. Looks like a lot of Fate quintuple posts at a glance. -.-

looks like you are useless as fuck at a glance
whoops too blunt

[Nachomamma8]

hi titan why is malp scum?
because of his interactions with flipped scum?
wow that's a concrete reason

[Nachomamma8]

in any case, it doesn't explain why you have such disproportional confidence in this lynch
surely you have something more than "he has x connections with light green scum"? because otherwise there's no need for you to get pissed when people think your wagon is shit.
especially when everyone else is sheeping you because they're like "yeah sure that sounds fair".
and as a result, people are coasting by with bullshit on bullshit.
i am a top contributor because i'm putting a marginal amount of effort into the game, and that's a problem.
cheery has tunneled the fuck out of me for no reason
and everyone is like "yeah, that's fine"
and people like mehdi try to get the game going but everyone ignores him because "hahahahaha we're lynching malp cuz he's such obvscum"
and other people challenge me on my reads because I've been terse
action, don't say i haven't been paying attention

[Nachomamma8]

It's a jailkeeper. Only the role name is "super".

I targeted Titan.

Why did you target me?

To primarily protect or to block? Based on your answer why did you think it was a good move?

HAHAHAHAHAH
WAIT YOU ARE VOTING ME WHILE ASSUMING MALP IS FLIPPING LIGHT GREEN SCUM
AND YOU ARE VOTING ME BECAUSE OF MY INTERACTIONS WITH LIGHT GREEN SCUM?
OH WAIT BUT YOU WERE VOTING ME YESTERDAY?
BUT YOU KNEW FARADAY AND MALP AND TAZARO WOULD FLIP LIGHT GREEN THEN TOO?
get out
get the fuck out

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho how is cheery attacking you scum motivated when the attack is doubtful to get a lynch on you? I don't agree with the attack and while it's a weak attack I disagree it makes him scummy.

it's doubtful to get a lynch on me, but it's doubtful to get him lynched
notice how he responded when I initially attacked him. he started to go into bullshit effortposting try-hard mode, but everyone fine with him doing whatever the hell he was doing before, so he just hard tunneled on me for bullshit reasons instead

Titan if you could someone not known as a town read of mine (like mae) who would it be (besides malpa)?

brood

[Nachomamma8]

sorry, i was reading, saw your explanation, got distracted
and that makes it worse, you know. you saw i was gaining support from the guy WHO CLAIMED HE HAD A GUN, and you started pulling that bullshit

[Nachomamma8]

jury's out on nacho and av but i don't want to like them.

[Nachomamma8]

Let's get this back on here. Now that it's less dangerous and all.

VOTE: malpascp

Explain this.

nacho: i hate literally every post you've made in this thread except this one wall on day 1 and if could vig you without giving a fuck about my win condition i would

I promise that my posting will become less insufferable when people stop being idiots. For now, there's not much use in me doing anything except leaving an obnoxiously obvious road map to my suspicions.

AVox is a tempting vote, I must say.

However, malpascp's claim is not particularly convincing and I still want him dead.

i see newbies make this mistake a lot
but it's an even larger mistake in larges because MALP ISN'T GETTING ANYWHERE NEAR LYLO REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT
AND IF HE IS TOWN HE WILL HELP US BY LIVING LONGER
IF HE IS SCUM HE IS GOING TO MAKE CONNECTIONS TO PARTNERS AND MAYBE BE A MEATSHIELD LATER IN THE GAME
jesus this isn't rocket science

but I see no reason to not accept a scum jailer in this setup, also fake claims.

you see no reason to accept a scum jailer in the setup
but accepting a TOWN JAILER is just some crazy fucking shit?
stop being stupid and lynch someone else LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE
MALP WILL NOT MAKE IT TO LYLO REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT BUT HE CAN DO GOOD SHIT FOR US SO THERE IS NO REASON TO KILL HIM NOW

[Nachomamma8]

and remember that malp is claiming superjailer
if you think it is a fakeclaim and he is green scum, where did he get the fakeclaim from?
if scum have such good fakeclaims, then WHY THE HELL DIDN'T TAZARO CLAIM A ROLE BEFORE HE WAS LYNCHED?
you are confirmation biasing malp right now and it is fucking stupid and is making me desperate

[Nachomamma8]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Nachomamma8]

Someone shoot xtopherus. I fucking hate that I'm not a dayvigil.

Hey mehdi, I see you claimed vigilante. Who did your previous slot shoot, or did they not take an action?

Who are you shooting tonight?

die in a fire

[Nachomamma8]

that would be cool
it would be even better if you went out in a blaze of glory and not a blaze of idiocy after you hammered a non-cc'ed PR.
so you could do something awesome and read malp's other games. tell me where the hell he's getting this superjailer claim since it ISN'T from the mod and it ISN'T from Faraday. tell me why we should deal with him now when scum will deal with him later. tell me any of these things so i can have my sanity back.

[Nachomamma8]

If malpa doesn't respond by the time I check this game, I'm hammering.

kill me
please kill me
god fucking damnit

[Nachomamma8]

either I hammer or some other inactive comes in here for the hammer.

because it would be so terrible to force an inactive to justify a hammer instead of giving it to them for free?

[Nachomamma8]

no one replaced nikanor
there are better choices for scum

[Nachomamma8]

that would be cool
it would be even better if you went out in a blaze of glory and not a blaze of idiocy after you hammered a non-cc'ed PR.
so you could do something awesome and read malp's other games. tell me where the hell he's getting this superjailer claim since it ISN'T from the mod and it ISN'T from Faraday. tell me why we should deal with him now when scum will deal with him later. tell me any of these things so i can have my sanity back.

I think it's my turn to laugh.

un cc'd PR? His claim is equivlent now to a ROLESTOPPER. He literally changed it from ROLESTOPPER to SUPERJAILER. It's sounds a little more town as SUPERJAILER, ya think? This isn't rocket science. And this is a crappy town PR (if town), worse than both a regular jailkeeper and a doctor and even a simple roleblocker mechanically. There is almost no incentive to go after this role as scum over say our claimed vigs, or even someone else.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Rolestopper

If you vig him, there are two most likely alternatives: He's scum, or he's a Jester (or has some other strange win condition).

stop this

[Nachomamma8]

Where did I talk about bastard modding? I didn't realise that that was what I was doing

jesters

Brood, where would you say you have been looking for motive behind actions? Direct me to specific posts, please.

[Nachomamma8]

Wait who are you shooting Por?

doesn't matter

[Nachomamma8]

I must say that lynching someone other than malp in the hopes that he'll be NK'd is interesting.

In my vast experience, this sort of plan NEVER works out. If we think he's scum, we lynch him. We do not count on the creatures of the night.

not even depending on the creatures of the night
we're going to count on the inevitable role interactions that are bound to occur
he has to give us a result every night
which means that if he's scum, he's a dead man walking
if he's town, he might actually do something useful for once
although i grow tired of defending his useless ass

I'd be willing to make a deal for Nachomamma + cohorts. If we lynch Cheery Dog today and if Malsp survives the night, we lynch him the next day?

Is that acceptable?

scum won't shoot him in this case
although if mehdi is shooting him then that's fine

also

V/LA for four days

hopefully will be able to get a post in here and there

[Nachomamma8]

I'd be willing to make a deal for Nachomamma + cohorts. If we lynch Cheery Dog today and if Malsp survives the night, we lynch him the next day?

Is that acceptable?

NO

can you vote cheery dog pls

[Nachomamma8]

This lynch is going through. Idgaf if the slot is town anymore, and if he is telling the truth. I'm fucking tired of the attitude that b/c you're a PR LOL PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE SUSPECTING YOU.

Either you gtfo or you're getting lynched. And if you were town you would've either attempted to be useful by now or have gtfo.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Phillammon

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Maenara

my god

[Nachomamma8]

buldar

nope

[Nachomamma8]

Hmmm, do you think scum would be just as likely to check the source material as town?

Yes, but if something can't be town, it has to be scum.

And your stance?

nope

[Nachomamma8]

MORE BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Vifam

sure you have my vote for a little while
when i'm not so hungover i'm going to readthrough and analyze things
so you have my undying loyalty until i get my shit together again
if you're scum just hunt the other team or bus or whatever

STOP FUCKING POSTING SO I CAN FUCKING SHEEP YOU

[Nachomamma8]

A refusal to claim without a hammer intent.

kill it tonight?

[Nachomamma8]

Fate has no right to be man-of-the-town at all considering his cheery wagon that he championed while poo-pooing both AV and Malspc flipped town. And it's not like he helped lynch scum D1 because he wasn't here.

shut up

[Nachomamma8]

Fate has no right to be man-of-the-town at all considering his cheery wagon that he championed while poo-pooing both AV and Malspc flipped town. And it's not like he helped lynch scum D1 because he wasn't here.

shut up

the fuck is your problem?

sorry, let me explain a little bit
i notice this is a prevailing thought in the town right now, so hopefully this can put the kibosh on it a little bit
you're discrediting Fate based on him being wrong ONCE in this game and not being around for the D1 scumlynch. if you look at Fate's games in general, he's pretty fucking accurate with most things, is in the running for paragon, and is really good at this game. meaning that cool, he was wrong once, but it also means that he's going to put a little more effort into his reads this time around and reanalyze shit, so he's more likely to be accurate this time.
but the gist of it is that if you want to criticize someone's accuracy, don't look at this game that is ongoing now. look at finished games.

[Nachomamma8]

Just because you were wrong about Cheerydog doesn't mean hopping onto Fate's dumb wagon is gonna redeem you

i'm not looking for redemption, i'm looking to fix my reads

+ Im pretty sure Fate doesn't think Im scum he just wants to wrestle with me or perform some other homosexual act

...?
is there a point here?

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah the point is you should take some intitaive and not roll with fate when he is obviously doing this just for the fuck of it

I guarantee that there is some reason Fate is doing this, whether it be that you get read or that you get lynched. I'm fine helping him with this purpose. I also don't plan to sit here and sheep; I will be going through this game and providing analysis on people. But for now, I am sheeping. Town has too many people trying to lead and it's made things a bit of a shitstorm, so here I am as a follower for now.

[Nachomamma8]

when fate's in the game and i need someone to sheep, i will sheep him
if he wasn't in the game i would feel fine sheeping you

[Nachomamma8]

nachoooooo, you're hurting my feelings.

I explained it.

when fate's in the game and i need someone to sheep, i will sheep him
if he wasn't in the game i would feel fine sheeping you

You're willingly sheeping a person that is scum some percentage of the time over a person that is a confirmed or close to confirmed town? Fate will have to be pretty good as town and pretty bad as scum for this to make sense.

No...?

What Fate's doing now though is completely stupid and no one has the right to sheep to it. If you are you're basically volunteering to be terrible and unhelpful. Fate isn't going to magically get something by doing this, Nacho, and if you think he will as a default because "it's Fate" then holy shit man.

Why is it completely stupid?

[Nachomamma8]

"hey yo the consensus is wrong i'm going to think polar opposite"
"without explaining shit"

"the consensus is Vifam is town because the dead cop investigated him" is not good reasoning because we don't really know shit about what the dead cop. Maenara is scum because he thought Vifam was guilty and didn't claim earlier".
the reasoning of the consensus is shit
i don't really need to explain why I disagree with the reasoning
maybe it is correct
but the reasoning is shit

The funny thing is that I'd ask you to answer "why is this NOT stupid" and you won't have an answer because you don't have a clue, you're just doing it because of the dude who's posting.

because it's helping to form a counterwagon while I go through the game
it's making people think a little more than they would normally
it's giving us something more out of this day other than the "LOL LYNCH" bullshit that was yesterday

[Nachomamma8]

this is the most piss poor defense i've ever seen in my entire life

[Nachomamma8]

Ohhhh. Fox and the Hound?

Now, Cheery Dog is always going on about not prying into people's town reads or the reasons for them... However, he himself has effectively listed 17 people he finds to be more Town than Scum - in a way, his town reads. He has refrained from posting the reasons behind it, so there's a positive there...
Besides, it's completely non-committal. Cheery Dog's "reads" are essentially "

Null

: People who haven't posted;

Not null

: Everyone else". Cheery Dog?

I've just seen I'm still voting Vifam
UNVOTE: Vifam
But until Cheery Dog doesn't answer to this, my vote doesn't yet belong anywhere.

...and here is where he stopped suspecting vifam
COMPLETE TURNAROUND

[Nachomamma8]

FATE I AM A PR BUT MAYBE I SHOULD DIE SO THESE DUMBFUCKS WILL SHEEP YOU ALL GAME

VOTE: MAENARA

[Nachomamma8]

I was enraged.

its okay
i'm watching chelsea lately and popping bubblewrap while slightly intoxicated, if that makes you feel any better

[Nachomamma8]

so far i've learned that taylor swift warms up to 50 cent
and justin bieber is giving proceeds from his christmas album to charity which is pretty good
and i don't really know what i'm doing here

pedit: DUDE I WAS JUST GOING TO TELL YOU TO WALL SO PEOPLE THOUGHT YOU WERE TOWN
good stuff

[Nachomamma8]

god what a shit PR play if you are a PR.

Really? You watched Faraday scum over the claimed townie looking vig?

dan, be honest with me
are you scum y/n?

[Nachomamma8]

Jesus. Ya and if you watched Porfevor you would have caught at least another scum since he was role blocked/redirected. It was much more probable that scum targets the claimed townie PR than anyone else.

he caught noir
if he watched porfevor, he would have caught faraday
he was a claimed townie pr, but he claimed in a bullshit way so not everyone necessarily had to believe him
but i seriously don't get your reasoning at all

[Nachomamma8]

vifam why the hell are you still voting av? how the hell can you say "herp derp, i'm going to kill another power role" when this is a WATCHER and a GOOD FUCKING PERSON TO HAVE AROUND, ESPECIALLY WITH ANOTHER CLAIMED VIGILANTE HANGING AROUND?

YOU JUST WERE WRONG AS FUCK ABOUT MALP

THEN YOU COME IN HERE LIKE O WELL WAT THE HELL AND PUSH THROUGH ANOTHER CLOWNFUCK READ

[Nachomamma8]

Umm.

We have 2x scumteams and only 3 kills each night.
Why are we assuming the other vig claim is true? :\

because vig is really hard to fake
maybe gambitting sk
but gambitting as an sk? that's so... ballsy.
don't really care for now

The only other counterwagon is me or Maenara, I don't think Maenara is scum, Im not convinced Avox is town. I'm not gonna vote myself, obviously. So I think Im gonna keep my vote where it is

>.>

[Nachomamma8]

Okay I've calmed down a bit

Avox I'll stop voting you if you stop voting me, deal?

aaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaa
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

[Nachomamma8]

I don't think Phil is scum and I remember commenting on it earlier, I forgot what I said but I know it made sense

I don't necessarily have a problem with a Phil wagon seeing as he's fizzled out since then.

Wasn't Fate pushing him earlier?

...

[Nachomamma8]

where the fuck is that town-read coming from

who am i shooting tonight, ill give you the option to choose for me

Everything he's said since D1 has seemed pretty town tonally. Plus lets not forget the fact that Tazaro pulled a half ass push on him towards the end of his life so chances are he isn't part of the light green scum in the first place, just based on that simple interaction. That's enough for me to think he's town at the minute so he's a bad lynch/vig shot/whatever

Yeah it was this

I guess he could be black scum due to recent events but eh idk

kind of, i guess
i feel this is strong enough to at least question but i guess i'm taking crazy pills

[Nachomamma8]

i mean he's town ---> i mean he COULD be black scum ---> let's vote him
is
...?

[Nachomamma8]

yes i think you are scum
but your play is strange as fuck

[Nachomamma8]

because you are blatantly trying to lynch anyone that isn't you
and meanwhile, while fate attacked you, you were on DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE mode for a while
and then you're pushing av who claimed pr because "there aren't any counterwagons"
it's just
i don't know what you are anymore

[Nachomamma8]

idk

well WHATEVER I'm not gonna taunt you if you even CONSIDER doing something that dumb

I'll just stay quiet.......over here

[Nachomamma8]

You should clarify with the mod.

I think Vifam is town.

UNVOTE:

Vifam on AV? AV on Mehdi?

Vifam on AV, AV on Vifam

[Nachomamma8]

You should clarify with the mod.

I think Vifam is town.

UNVOTE:

Vifam on AV? AV on Mehdi?

Vifam on AV, AV on Vifam

nacho whose side are you on

seriously wdf

forgot av wasn't full, my b

[Nachomamma8]

man i haven't lurked this hard in a game for a while
it's a shame that I agree the town can't handle another wagon
and I have no confidence in a town win unless we can fix that in future games
but I'm only part of the problem if I decide to lurk, so I absolutely have to post right now and try to provide shit which really sucks

but sure, I'll vote sanjay.

Vote: sanjay

[Nachomamma8]

So, first of all, the setup. It is ridiculous, it is crazy. Scum has a lot of power, as has been confirmed by flips. And because scum has a lot of power, you should be careful with how much you reveal. For example, Brood. If you know that your ring can be fucked with by scum and gives scum really cool powers if they roleblock you, you probably shouldn't say it. They might have that information already, but they also might not.

Second, cool, coordination.
http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Prospit
That page has information on who is from prospit, who is from derse. You should probably make sure that the next person you pass it to is from prospit so you can confirm as much, right?

Medhi's doing fine. I would prefer AV watch Mehdi and Vifam protect AV, in this scenario. Strongman seems likely in the setup with all of the doctor and roleblocking and jailkeeping bullshit floating around, and my scumread on Vifam is decently strong, and AV will be able to definitively claim "I was roleblocked" instead of "yeah, I don't know what happened "

Would rather brood find a prospitian before attempting to pass the ring again. Knowing someone is Derse doesn't tell us a whole lot of information (doesn't mean they are scum, doesn't mean they are town), so useless. Him actually passing the ring and someone confirming it, though. That would actually give us a bit of information and make Brood likely town, which is really cool but probably will never happen.

I don't think there are any other PR claims. If there were, I would prefer no one ever tell me because it might kill me.

[Nachomamma8]

I'll swap to philla, but outside of that all the current wagons I dislike because of something. I'm slowly leaning towards this is a game where the majority has a power role.

yes the game is obviously power heavy
don't just bring this up out of nowhere, please

[Nachomamma8]

And curious why you wouldn't want people to tell you PR claims?

because i don't want there to be anymore pr claims
so if there were, i was just going to pretend they didn't exist

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Sanjay/CombinatorialEnigma:

CE was pretty useless all around, which is an unfortunate null tell in this game. He was one of those people who was active during the confirmation stages, then did jack and shit during the actual game. He had a pretty weird vote on Noir which he backed the fuck off when he was called out on it, which was weird as fuck, but there are so many awkward interactions this game that it's not really enough for anything substantial, just something to chuckle at in the post game, I suppose. Sanjay's suspicion of me being "too confident" in my reads is one of those things that newbies come at me a lot for. He's also accused me of lurking, of burden of proficiency, of not scumhunting... Unfortunately, while reading through his play, I'm guessing he's probably town. It's a personal pet peeve of mine when people pull the "man I wish I had a cool PR claim to help me bail me out of this because all I am is a VT!" because it's appeal to emotion and it's stupid and useless, but his plan with the paschendale read, his "Nacho, you should be ashamed people are reading you as town" bit, it all reads as pretty town.

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Lemon:

He's been lazy but it's in all his games lately; glad he stepped it up somewhat recently. Personally I thought the Vifam rolecop paranoia was decently townish; don't really give a shit about the rest of his play, but can call him town for that. His interactions with Fate also remind me of old interactions with Fate, so it's like a trip down memory lane.

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Alduskkel:
Never liked it when people post bullshit reads lists with no reasoning instead of catchup posts, which is pretty much the story of Aldu's #15. But after that his posting doesn't make me want to kill too many things; his posting about malp is good although it borders on tinfoil hat theories on occasion, I liked him calling out bullshit twilight "oh yeah you were totally lynched" tactics, and I really liked his breakdown of Brood's claim in #70. I interpreted it a bit differently, but that's alright. It's one of those things that scum could have easily dismissed as "bullshit claim, lynch", and Alduskkel taking special effort to explore the brood town option was a cool and town thing to do. The rest of his play isn't overly interesting, but he's still town.

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terezi, vt

was having fun breadcrumbing with the moderator's avatar until quadz ruined my fun

Nacho, change your avatar.

haven't read shit, technically V/LA, will read and maybe do a few more ISOs if i am feeling it after i catch up in the games that aren't smoking crack cocaine.

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I'm going to be apart of the largest theme game on mafiascum, this is great

vifam i hate you

1. xtopherusD
2. Sanjay combinatorialEnigma
11. Cheery Dog
17. Maenara GaryOak
21. BroodKingEXE
22. ζ (lowercaseZeta)
23. Zdenek Alsark
24. Shrimp85 Guy_Named_Riggs ????
28. Vifam



sanjay scummy as fuck

whoever saids ce was scum gets points

oh holy shit whered this sanjay wagon come from

I think im a bit further than 5 pages behind fffffffffffffffffff

Bumi if youre around did we get a claim out of sanjay? he was shifty as fuck iirc and replaced some crapposter

I'm re-reading backwards, and wasn't looking for any "hints" because it doesnt matter to me when they are both solid town

Sanjays a fine vig target, as is everyone on this fire bomb list:
13. Phillammon
14. torgonitoh [holy shit who IS this seriously?]
15. ActionDan
19. Titan (Ser Arthur Dayne/Tammy)
21. BroodKingEXE
22. ζ (lowercaseZeta)
23. Zdenek Alsark
24. Shinori Shrimp85 Guy_Named_Riggs


with actual SCUM still:
Zdenek
ActionDan
Vifam

I will hammer Sanjay ot end this bullshit of a fucking day but he's been PRETTY TOWN so far

Never noticed how many people Fate wanted dead. Huh...
VOTE: Fate

will bet pretty good money this guy is scum
really good money

10 bucks says Nacho and Fate were on the same team

vifam i hate you

I think I've made my point

don't spam just specifically so the game is longer
god fucking damnit

Well, inasmuch as bulletproofing can be considered an ability.

PEdit: Please be more helpful than that.

hahaha

Sorry my Windows 2000 computer started crashing constantly and I was shopping for a replacement on the other working WIndows 2000 computer downstairs blah blah and I had no idea this game was back on.

die

haven't read shit

Mhm how did you know we were mass claiming?

skimmed
didn't read

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because i was trying to get back into the game and you were yelling "LYNCH FATE LYNCH FATE" so i was ignoring the hell out of you

[Nachomamma8]

Am I the only person who keeps track of what they say about people as scum?

?

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Deasvail:

I like the transparency in #372. It might be something that DeasVail as scum thought would be taken as a townie thing by the majority, but the timing is off for that sort of thing. I liked how he treated the buldermar situation; measuring up the scumclaim to others he's seen and backing off in the slow, paranoid way seemed distinctly townish to me. I liked the unexplained Cheery Dog town read since this is multiball and it would make him look like shit if he flipped scum, I liked how he treated buldermar and I arguing over calling him town (ignoring the message and scumhunting the people behind the message). #1370 was pretty baller, I liked that too. It wasn't really how people go about bussing their buddies. #2138 was actually considering malp's jailer claim and determining whether it was town or not and reached a conclusion in a way that wouldn't really get him any friends (i.e. calling his claiming process too incompetant to be a fakeclaim). Strong townread.

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fucking shit

[Nachomamma8]

i was gonna jump in here and yell at you guys for the av lynch, but
looks like there were actual reasons. cool.

[Nachomamma8]

DAMNIT BUMI I JUST THOUGHT YOU COULD READ ME

[Nachomamma8]

i was gonna jump in here and yell at you guys for the av lynch, but
looks like there were actual reasons. cool.

Can we expect of you to catch fully up once your V/LA is over?

my v/la is over.
you can't expect shit though.

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i was gonna jump in here and yell at you guys for the av lynch, but
looks like there were actual reasons. cool.

Can we expect of you to catch fully up once your V/LA is over?

my v/la is over.
you can't expect shit though.

this was supposed to be sarcasm, but occasionally powerlynching in this game is a thing and so I don't get to catch up on my own sweet time and in my normal way
hooray

[Nachomamma8]

But to be honest that's not much of a softclaim, anyone could have said that.

"it's not much of a softclaim"
do you deny that it was a softclaim?
no. they were obvious breadcrumbs. and you see this, but ignore it anyways.

And a SK who saves someone makes sense how? Or why claim the BP part then since I did it to help philla. The main thing is she is mod confirmed town to me and if she dies something else kill me.

I don't like that Medhi is bringing any of this up.

To elaborate, for those who haven't actually read homestuck, there's only one other person preaching about subjuggulators, this guy being Gamzee. I suspected Mehdi ever since he claimed vig, which is like the most obvious SK claim ever, and if you look back, you'll find that he suddenly started buddying up to me from the time I asked him to stop clowning around.

Why d'you all think I was trying to get him lynched earlier?

P-Edit: Because if I'd claimed miller earlier, you'd have lynched me and ended the day. Why out myself earlier? What are the chances of getting investigated by a cop in a 30-player game?

VOTE: Medhi

aaaand medhi is scum
done and done

Deasvail:

I like the transparency in #372. It might be something that DeasVail as scum thought would be taken as a townie thing by the majority, but the timing is off for that sort of thing. I liked how he treated the buldermar situation; measuring up the scumclaim to others he's seen and backing off in the slow, paranoid way seemed distinctly townish to me. I liked the unexplained Cheery Dog town read since this is multiball and it would make him look like shit if he flipped scum, I liked how he treated buldermar and I arguing over calling him town (ignoring the message and scumhunting the people behind the message). #1370 was pretty baller, I liked that too. It wasn't really how people go about bussing their buddies. #2138 was actually considering malp's jailer claim and determining whether it was town or not and reached a conclusion in a way that wouldn't really get him any friends (i.e. calling his claiming process too incompetant to be a fakeclaim). Strong townread.

We all know that Deas is town (at least I hope so), and you've already pointed this out before, so why are you focusing on him?

was going through the playerlist so I would be able to strengthen my suspicions and actually be able to work with shit this game, but apparently i'm being forced to wing it

If Mehdi is scum then why did he claim that Maenara was Damara, which is easily falsifiable?

Why the fuck have people overlooked this?

because he gets some bonus for kurloz surviving
so gave his fakeclaim to maenara in the hopes that maenara was third party/scum and would just go along with it

Mehdi shoots Mae tonight as a utility kill.

...
this is fucking stupid
and i hope you have now realized why this is stupid

Holy shit a cult is actually plausible

No. Cult paranoia is useless and only serves as a detriment to town.

so can we lynch mae today?

she's been scummy as hell all game
her end-of-d4 play was not townie at all
mehdi is obviously bullshitting us and won't shoot her
there's that "mehdi knows mae is scum" theory, and kurloz being limescum makes sense flavor-wise
it's a fucking miller claim

i don't think bumi was faking; slot has read town and robocopter's iso means he'd have planned the cop result way in advance

while avoiding lynching mehdi?
no thank you

and a bunch of bullshit

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Vote: Mehdi

There is no reason for Mehdi to live past today. Directing the kill of an SK is cool and all, but we don't know whether Medhi is SK or scum, and that information can be pretty useful for determining who we lynch next. Mehdi is scum because Mehdi claimed information that is wrong. Mehdi claimed that he, as Gamzee, knew that a player in the game was Damara Megido and thus town. This information was incorrect. Damara Megido is not in the game. There has been no actual actions taken by the moderator that implies they made a mistake (and it would be a pretty big mistake, no?). I realize that Mehdi killing all of those black scum for us was cool, but they were all black scum. He still might be green scum, and green scum is the priority. If he is not green scum, he is probably an SK.

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There is likely another black scum left. There was no reason for Sanjay to quickhammer unless his aim was to kill the powerrole that black scum had been trying to kill for his partner. This also makes Vifam essentially confirmed town.

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If Mehdi flips Gamzee, green scum, Maenara is pretty much confirmed scum with her. Mehdi claiming Maenara is Megido and Maenara refuting this fact could be a gambit in order to get Mehdi killed so greenscum's kill can stop being redirected while Maenara comes out as likely town. Kurloz being completely innocent while Gamzee is working for Lord English doesn't really make sense. Maenara's flavor has her supposedly being confused for Gamzee and that makes her investigations return as guilty is strange, especially since she never batted an eyelash at Mehdi's claim. It also seems poor modding practice to make flavor that partially confirms a name as scum, so I doubt it's the case.

If Mehdi flips something else, green scum, I will be surprised, but Maenara will still follow as the next lynch. If Gamzee isn't in the game, Maenara's flavor makes even less sense and so Occam's razor to Maenara scum.

If Mehdi flips SK, will need to reanalyze, but Maenara isn't necessarily confirmed scum.

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If Mehdi flips Gamzee, green scum, Maenara is pretty much confirmed scum with her. Mehdi claiming Maenara is Megido and Maenara refuting this fact could be a gambit in order to get Mehdi killed so greenscum's kill can stop being redirected while Maenara comes out as likely town. Kurloz being completely innocent while Gamzee is working for Lord English doesn't really make sense. Maenara's flavor has her supposedly being confused for Gamzee and that makes her investigations return as guilty is strange, especially since she never batted an eyelash at Mehdi's claim. It also seems poor modding practice to make flavor that partially confirms a name as scum, so I doubt it's the case.

If Mehdi flips something else, green scum, I will be surprised, but Maenara will still follow as the next lynch. If Gamzee isn't in the game, Maenara's flavor makes even less sense and so Occam's razor to Maenara scum.

If Mehdi flips SK, will need to reanalyze, but Maenara isn't necessarily confirmed scum.

What do you think about using Mehdi to confirm Vifam before lynching him? The order of the lynches shouldn't matter enough to give up on an essentially free confirmation. We can lynch Mehdi tomorrow instead, no?

Vifam having a doctor doesn't confirm him. Mehdi flipping SK confirms Vifam more than Medhi claiming to shoot Vifam and Vifam surviving would. If Mehdi knows he will be lynched tomorrow and is scum, why would he help town? He wouldn't.

Nacho, why is Maenara wanting Mehdi lynched so badly if they're scum partners? She could have gone along with Mehdi's gambit at no loss other than being tied with respect to his alignment.

Looking at current flips, it seems likely to me that we're dealing with uneven scumteams. Green scum has crazy power so far and black scum really doesn't have anything comparable, which tells me that black scum is probably a big scumteam with a smaller greenteam. At this stage in the game, especially if Mehdi and Maenara were the last two green scum, a good hard bus would be a hell of a boon to the scumteam, especially when Mehdi is coming under a bit of pressure and it's possible he will be lynched; Maenara isn't going to be able to carry the scumteam alone unless she's stuck in a "yeah totally town pile", which probably isn't going to happen without some shenanigans going on.

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If Mehdi knows he will be lynched tomorrow and is scum, why would he help town? He wouldn't.

He's either SK or town or a 3rd party alignment that wins with town.

It is impossible for Medhi to be town.
Medhi had information in his role PM stating that Maenara was Megido and was town. Maenara is not Megido, meaning Mehdi's role PM was either a lie (mods have confirmed no lying directly to players!), or Mehdi was lying and continues to lie. He tries to play it off as mod error, but no that's a bunch of bullshit. Maenara can't be scum if Mehdi is town because of Mehdi's own role PM. So either Maenara is trolling, which I seriously doubt, or Mehdi is scum and needs to die.

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Looking at current flips, it seems likely to me that we're dealing with uneven scumteams. Green scum has crazy power so far and black scum really doesn't have anything comparable, which tells me that black scum is probably a big scumteam with a smaller greenteam. At this stage in the game, especially if Mehdi and Maenara were the last two green scum, a good hard bus would be a hell of a boon to the scumteam, especially when Mehdi is coming under a bit of pressure and it's possible he will be lynched; Maenara isn't going to be able to carry the scumteam alone unless she's stuck in a "yeah totally town pile", which probably isn't going to happen without some shenanigans going on.

The problem is that when Mehdi flips scum, that never confirms Maenara as town, no matter how heavily Maenara bussed Mehdi. Then how does the bus have any value?

Doesn't confirm, confirm, but it would put Maenara pretty solidly in the town pile. And if the town decides to go through PoE lynches for a while, this can leave Maenara in a pretty solid spot that's a far more realistic chance of winning than a Mehdi-Maenara scumteam would have if they tried to play as what would essentially be a lover pair.

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If Mehdi knows he will be lynched tomorrow and is scum, why would he help town? He wouldn't.

He's either SK or town or a 3rd party alignment that wins with town.

It is impossible for Medhi to be town.
Medhi had information in his role PM stating that Maenara was Megido and was town. Maenara is not Megido, meaning Mehdi's role PM was either a lie (mods have confirmed no lying directly to players!), or Mehdi was lying and continues to lie. He tries to play it off as mod error, but no that's a bunch of bullshit. Maenara can't be scum if Mehdi is town because of Mehdi's own role PM. So either Maenara is trolling, which I seriously doubt, or Mehdi is scum and needs to die.

Ok, I agree that Mehdi is 95%+ SK. Why do you oppose the idea of controlling his kills, though?

We aren't controlling his kills. We're telling him to shoot people that he's okay with shooting anyways.

I mainly want to lynch DW so town will actually have something to analyze should we screw up many days in a row and he coasts his way to endgame.

I am for Mehdi testing Vifam's ability but we still don't know what the remaining scum have.

Why are you for Mehdi testing Vifam's ability?

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No, he's pretty much right.

You're doing fuck all and need to die.

Bumi admits that he has no scum reads and has apparently given up on trying to find them. Why shouldn't he die?

What did you think about his claim?

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You call it a gambit. Was it a scum-motivated gambit or a town-motivated gambit? Why?

[Nachomamma8]

Do you think that he's telling the truth about his abilities or not?

[Nachomamma8]

I asked for thoughts, not facts.

[Nachomamma8]

We aren't controlling his kills. We're telling him to shoot people that he's okay with shooting anyways.

There is no way to tell the difference, nor is the difference of any importance. If we want him to shoot the persons he shoots, it's all good. If he doesn't want to shoot a person we want him to shoot, we simply lynch him.

It's also... day 6, 15 alive. Assuming 2 green scum left, we would have 4 town-directed kills before lylo if we lynch Mehdi today. 4 town directed kills that we go through bulletproof and roleblocks. If we let Mehdi live, tomorrow is 12 alive, the day after that is 9 alive, and then we have to lynch Mehdi because the day after that is 6 alive otherwise, meaning then there will be 7 alive. Meaning we still have 4 town directed kills before LyLo, except two of them won't be Maenara, they will be able to be roleblocked, and they will not go through bulletproof. In addition, the town directed kill before we are forced to lynch him is probably going to be a "fuck you" kill unless Mehdi is feeling super close to the town. So.

Nacho I've repeatedly brought it up since day 4 with the amount of discussion we've had on me being a sk. Your theory is proven false by nature of no one in the game is a town damara megido. Making theories that take 3 seconds to disprove and then voting me. The moderators specifically said they wouldn't answer to whether there's a mistake in thread unless clearing a bp is a better idea.

Let's talk about you being an SK. Proven false by no one being damara megido? Because you gave maenara your safeclaim?
Nope.

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Testing Vifam's doc is stupid because scum can fuck with it and make Vifam look shitty. It confirms Vifam as much as it would confirm Vifam if Mehdi flipped SK (in other words, not at all).

The moderators specifically said they wouldn't answer to whether there's a mistake in thread unless clearing a bp is a better idea.

It would surprise me if anyone actually believed the moderators thought they were supposed to confirm Damara Megido as town to Gamzee as opposed to Kurloz. It would surprise me very, very much.

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Well enjoy being surprised. As for the sk theory that has the obvious problem of why protect mae which answers resort to strange things.

why protect mae?
hey! there's a reason!
if that's your only defense, then it's a little... underwhelming. I don't really trust WIFOM that much, sorry.

And how would scum mess with vifam's doc? The only pr they likely have left is a limited rb that is likely used up.

How many shots would you give the roleblocker? You can give a range, if you'd like.

And how would I as sk give mae a safe claim?

by giving her...
your own! and claiming your actual role of gamzee!
MY GOD WHO WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT
i'll explain my SK theory more thoroughly if people need it, but the strongest point is that you claimed you knew a player was town and that player's rolename was Damara Megido. The player's actual role name is Kurloz, which would make a hell of a lot more sense if you actually claimed that, meaning that I seriously doubt it was a mod error, especially since you're supposedly an INFORMED BULLETPROOF VIGILANTE TOWNIE, which is a bit much to take in.

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Nacho, I don't think there's much scum can do at this point to mess up the shots. And the shots have been pro-town, so I'm still thinking it's best to use them.

but when it's likely that we have 4 town directed kills either way, it's time to kill the sk
yeah the shots were protown, but that doesn't matter worth shit
and you say there's not much scum can do to mess up the shots, but yesterday there was a roleblocker or bumi is a liar
and I don't think that it's limited. Mehdi points out that all limited power roles were 1-shot, but it seems pretty fucking weird that a 1 shot roleblocker waits until yesterday night to use that one roleblock on someone who hadn't claimed a power role yet
so either bumi's lying, which i doubt, or we have a roleblocker and yes someone who can fuck with mehdi's shots
but, not to mention
4 lynches, or 2 lynches and 2 shots from the SK

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hey, done a little research
there's been 2 one-shot roleblockers in the history of the site
one was town, in june 2010
the other was scum and in the old forum and much fucking older
i don't feel confident that the roleblocker doesn't have shots left

[Nachomamma8]

alright
is there a reason people find dw town over dv?

[Nachomamma8]

ooh, dw replaced torg
hmmm

the dv self meta bit and hat thing is bullshit

[Nachomamma8]

And there's been multiple x shot roles in this game. Not a single one was 2 or more shot. The role has to be weak for balance so it's also not unlimited.

unless uneven scumteams

[Nachomamma8]

is that all you wanted to say?

[Nachomamma8]

don't want mehdi to live much longer

[Nachomamma8]

we have 4 town directed kills either way
if mehdi's shot goes through, we have to leave him alive another day or we'll lose one of them
if it doesn't, he dies
no questions
he dies

[Nachomamma8]

yeah, i know
i don't want to lynch you, DV
i just want to lynch the fucking SK

[Nachomamma8]

the thing is, mehdi isn't town

[Nachomamma8]

It's also... day 6, 15 alive. Assuming 2 green scum left, we would have 4 town-directed kills before lylo if we lynch Mehdi today. 4 town directed kills that we go through bulletproof and roleblocks. If we let Mehdi live, tomorrow is 12 alive, the day after that is 9 alive, and then we have to lynch Mehdi because the day after that is 6 alive otherwise, meaning then there will be 7 alive. Meaning we still have 4 town directed kills before LyLo, except two of them won't be Maenara, they will be able to be roleblocked, and they will not go through bulletproof. In addition, the town directed kill before we are forced to lynch him is probably going to be a "fuck you" kill unless Mehdi is feeling super close to the town. So.

[Nachomamma8]

we can totally stop the mentality
by lynching mehdi now

[Nachomamma8]

Math says not to lynch Mehdi. Any flaw in my logic?

can't lynch maenara until we lynch mehdi
and maenara is scummy as fuck

[Nachomamma8]

it's like
we have 5 town directed kills
except they won't be on one confscum
and they won't be on another really fucking scummy person

[Nachomamma8]

mehdi no one cares
you are scum

[Nachomamma8]

it's like if i claimed informed townie that knew XXX was Andrew Hussie and was confirmed town
and XXX was like "I'm not Andrew Hussie"

or if I claimed rolecop and said that XXX was vanilla town
and XXX was like "actually, I'm a doctor"

the only way that medhi is town
is if mods fucked up egregiously

[Nachomamma8]

Your point being when that's pretty much what I'm saying? (and it's extreme to make one role pm error in a game this size)

wait you're saying you're scum
AWWWW YEAH
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[Nachomamma8]

i admire the fight until the end, but it's over
it's finally over