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In post 34, Vifam wrote:That's a challenge
Purposefully not knowing what you're doing involves knowing what you're doing.no.-
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I'll start with less pressing matters.
Which post(s) did you feel were forced? I've got seven posts, three of which I used the posting quirk of a troll (Gamzee/Tavros, Nepeta, Equius).
The other four posts were a small comment on Vifam's remark, a request for Epic to stop being ridiculous, a similar request but with a hint more snark, and a joke about Noir's username/avatar, based on the comic.
The quirk posts are forced, but I'm not going to post serious things like a troll does.
The other four are how I talk? My friends say I speak almost too formally but with just enough sarcasm, so if you see that kind of posting, I'm just saying things as I would aloud.
In post 202, Titan wrote:In post 199, Vifam wrote:Your username is easily the worst out of the bunch.
Umm, no? :? Do youseextopherusD, ζ, torgonitoh, and BroodKingEXE? And some other weird ones.
Oh, he's got an X in his name! What are we going to do??
Calling me xtoph works. Calling me Topher works. Heck, go with a name like combinatorialEnigma's and call me Skaia. I won't mind.
But, on to more serious business...
Vifam's posts are awfully flighty and detached. He seems to just post thoughts and passing remarks about anything he decides to, and I don't think that's helpful to the Town. And it's not just a lack of quantity, but the quality is pretty bad, too. There hasn't really been a shift between confirmation phase and Day 1. So I
VOTE: Vifam
Alsark's claim is odd. Pandorica's claim is odd. I don't believe either of them, but the reasons they claimed these things are still something to consider.
Context: Alsark's post was after Strider had asked to be replaced, and he had said "Welp, Strider rolled vanilla townie". People called him out on baseless role spec, and he claimed this power. He then went on to ask "Anybody that's scum want to be converted to Town?" - which Alsark must know no one would respond to. It was a joke. It was also, in the slightest way, scumfishing - if someone had requested to be converted, they're claiming to scum and we lynch them. Unlikely but possible. But it was mainly a joke.
Context: Pandorica's PR claim was after triple posting twice. No one called him on it, he just said "(I have a post restriction ... )". Then never did it again. It was a joke about how he kept adding things to the posts he made.
A bunch of posts have come in while writing this, they don't look repliable but I'll read them in a sec.no.-
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That was longer than expected. Here the best bit (which even then is pretty mediocre):
xtopherusD wrote:Vifam's posts are awfully flighty and detached. He seems to just post thoughts and passing remarks about anything he decides to, and I don't think that's helpful to the Town. And it's not just a lack of quantity, but the quality is pretty bad, too. There hasn't really been a shift between confirmation phase and Day 1.no.-
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Okay, noted?In post 273, Titan wrote:Xtoph Vifam doesn't read as scum at all.
There was little to no effort in posting those few sentences. A quarter of it was direct quotes from their posts. Half was summarised from the post(s) they'd made previously. The other quarter was so simple it nearly hurts that I had to say it.Titan went on and wrote:Also I don't understand why you took so much time and effort to analyze jokes?
I haven't nearly spent as much time as some other people have on Alsark's joke. I don't understand why you're calling me out on taking "so much" ofmytime andmy"effort" to say what I wanted to say.no.-
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Titan wrote:
Because you really could've focusd on something that was more productive. Here it just looks like you are trying to gain towncred by analyzing stuff when it's really not helpful to the town at all when all you conclude is that the claims were a joke. You know, town's posts come from town thought, and I would very much like to understand why chose to focus on those specific things and analyze them.xtopherusD wrote: I haven't nearly spent as much time as some other people have on Alsark's joke. I don't understand why you're calling me out on taking "so much" of my time and my "effort" to say what I wanted to say.
Again, it's how I talk.
Where most will say "Guys get over it, it looks like Alsark was joking", I will say what I think and tell you why I think it. So my posts will be {evidence and conclusion} so another player can post {agreement or disagreement}, instead of {conclusion} then {questioning} then {evidence}. It ends up taking less time (in theory), plus it helps me to organise my thoughts both while posting and while reading through the thread.
I won't post random thoughts or baseless arguments. If I don't know why I think something, I work out why I do. If I can't work out why, I don't voice that opinion.no.-
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In Day One of any game, my posts do tend to include a whole lot of nothing. There usually isn't a whole lot of anything to make conclusions from, so I don't have a lot to say I believe. Also not helping with the current content level is the fact that we are only seven hours into the game, and so nearly half of the players haven't posted anything since day start.
So, it does sound "retarded and scumlike", but that's how it is.no.-
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In post 300, Epic wrote:that would be fine except it's missing the central point which is that he's focusing on things which are meaningless
Point me to something meaningfuland I'll look at that, then. Everything in this thread looks pretty equal to me, but that was the thing that had most recently come up. People were talking about the bandwagon on Alsark. I commented on the votes on Alsark. My comment was three sentences rather than one. Then people say I'm overanalysing. I said the same thing as torgonitoh did, just with more words.
And with using people's real names and not things like "skymans".
@torgonitoh/wutlolski: I'm not entirely sure, was that Titan? Is Titan skyman?no.-
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Porfervor wrote:
dont do this ever
I'll keep it to the confirmation phase, then.Porfervor wrote:okay from this post forward you post in a troll gimmick and you get on my shitlist i dont care if it's not productive you need to speak english
Alduskkel hasn't posted since game start, but before that he: Threatened to vote the mod, and to vote Alsark (note: before the power claim). Discourages voicing of town reads, and rolespec (including but not limited to hinting at your own role) - fairly standard Mafia guidelines for this stage. Confused by torgonitoh's post, possibly the vote but most likely the butchered English. Comments that he can't respond to vague replies to, or comments about him.Porfervor wrote:everyone give me a read on Alduskkel and on top of that tell me your prime suspects unless we're still wading in RVS bullshit because i dont see anything that doesn't point to it
I think that his comment about voting the mod is purely based off flavour (I would not trust Andrew Hussie as a mod of this game). I think his not-quite-vote on Alsark is firmly grounded - Alsark is pointing out confirmed Town (no matter how illogically), which is something that helps scum more than town. The standard advice serves as help to newer players and a reminder to more experienced players.
Overall, slightly town for discouraging unhelpful behaviour and for pointing out an example of such.no.-
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In post 339, Porfervor wrote:players like xtopher who are desperately grasping to not get read in a way that deems him in a bad light and something i cant condone is trying to excuse what you post because you should be aware of it and you dont need to make excuses for it.
My posting of how I playisbeing aware of it, and making sure others can be aware of it, too. I realised that I have to remember that I am "different", and was giving a forewarning of what I'm going to be like in this game. And I keep "excusing" what I post because people keep attacking me for it. If you don't want me to tell you why I'm "overanalysing" or "focusing on things which are meaningless", don't ask.no.-
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EBWOP:
In post 339, Porfervor wrote:when we're down a better sum and ive seen some flips then ill really get into things
Isn't this just a pre-emptive excuse as to why you won't be "getting into things" and therefore will be "deem[ed] in a bad light".no.-
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In post 342, xtopherusD wrote:EBWOP:
In post 339, Porfervor wrote:when we're down a better sum and ive seen some flips then ill really get into things
Isn't this just a pre-emptive excuse as to why you won't be "getting into things" and therefore will be "deem[ed] in a bad light"?no.-
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NOTE: This post is designed to be Post #953, but based on activity there are probably going to be ninjas all around me. I haven't read their posts.
There is too much one-lining in this thread that I can't discern a coherent thing on my phone. When I am home I might try to make a no-crap version of the thread and let you know what I think. For now you get a bunch of notes from my readthrough.
Re: buldermar's claim
The person who claimed scum (too many names all at once right now) claimed to be reaction-testing? Then "unclaimed" (whichever person made this a thing that happened or anything is completely confused) and deduced that DeasVail (or the other one?) is probably scum for what he did.
As someone else said, Town gambits are really terrible, no matter what they are. I think this one is especially bad because the public reactions to a scum claim are no different coming from Town or from Scum. Town thinksWhat the hell is he doingwhile scum thinksWhat the hell is he doing he's not in my scumteam(leaving out the last part in thread of course). Plus all this was within the span of like 15 minutes anyway. No good or accurate anything goes for 15 minutes.
Also: It's ironic that using a different colour makes it easier for us to see which parts of the game to ignore. Actually, could you all just post useless stuff in red? That'd be really nice
Re: Phillamon and his reads
I liked Phillamon's (???) reads list. It means he's actually putting effort into the game! People mentioned he could be just parroting and it's of course a possibility. Just another thing to be wary of, but until there's some evidence that he's probably not trying all that hard (or trying to sabotage things) he's good with me.
Re: Cheery Dog andhislist of... reads...
Cheery Dog posted a list of nulls? That's all well and good but I think I would like to see where all the other people sit (i.e. the people who are leaning town/leaning scum). Posting null reads is a very safe bet - there is no evidence to post as to why they are null... Because the reason they're null is that there are no tells in their posts. If Cheery Dog could maybe give us something more substantial that people could actually comment on please?
Added later note: Posting null reads is also safe because it's something that everyone will agree with. Getting people to start being comfortable with agreeing with you is another thing you are kind of doing.
Re: torgonitoh / wutlolski
And I reckon that if torgonitoh ends up being scum and surviving to endgame and winning... I won't even be mad. I'll probably keep on reading this game until he's gone even if I'm dead. As long as he keeps using unique and recognisable names
Re: Paschendale's replacement
Oh yeah also I forgot about Paschendale. I reckon that's a natural town reaction... For like the first few games. Being around for so long and still acting like this is just wrong. But I don't know if it's a towntell or scumtell or even a tell at all. Plus I really don't like when replacements come in to animosity and a million votes.
Re: Porfervor's gun (and everyone else's, too)
More notes I keep remembering:
Porfervor needs to stop talking about this gun. I don't really know when exactly he claimed to have a gun, but since then his posts have been all about that and I don't know if it's funny enough to warrant not being helpful.
And speaking of this, two things:
1. Can everyone please stop speaking to everyone like "you deserve to be shot/lynched" or just "Die."? I mean firstly it sounds terrible, but you're also subconsciously giving yourself the idea that you are 100% correct and jumping to saying these things makes it harder for you to see other arguments/reason.
2. Everyone needs to stopassumingthere is a Vig. There are other ways to balance a large game and keep it at a good pace. There doesn't need to be a vig, let alone a dayvig. Unless there's been a serious claim that I have missed, it'd be great to not be reading all these assumption posts
That's what I've remembered about what I thought reading through the second half of the thread. On a preview it's ridiculously long so I'll throw some headings on there do you can jump to stuff you think is important / stuff that has to do with you. Have fun probably continuing arguing, I need to rest :/no.-
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In post 965, torgonitoh wrote:this mans
is oracle mans
In post 958, xtopherusD wrote:As someone else said, Town gambits are really terrible, no matter what they are. I think this one is especially bad
how you know is town gambit
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Because I'm an oracle. =P
I didn't mean for the phrasing to imply that the gambit originated from Town. While it's always a possibility, it was more meant to say that I thought buldermar, being more experienced than I, should know this kind of thing. That's why it's confusing: buldermar must know all the implications of a claiming scum gambit, yet still does it. The follow-on sentence from what you quoted should be something like "buldermar should know this. There has to be something here that he knows. What is it?? Why can't he tell us??"no.-
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Ohhhh. Fox and the Hound?
Now, Cheery Dog is always going on about not prying into people's town reads or the reasons for them... However, he himself has effectively listed 17 people he finds to be more Town than Scum - in a way, his town reads. He has refrained from posting the reasons behind it, so there's a positive there...
Besides, it's completely non-committal. Cheery Dog's "reads" are essentially "Null: People who haven't posted;Not null: Everyone else". Cheery Dog?
I've just seen I'm still voting Vifam
UNVOTE: Vifam
But until Cheery Dog doesn't answer to this, my vote doesn't yet belong anywhere.no.-
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The last line means my vote will be going to you if you cannot convince me otherwise
I agree that the only possible read on non-posters is a null one. However, I don't think a natural reaction to the remainder is not having a single scumread ("If I actually had names to give you, I wouldn't be voting the person that claimed scum.") while the remainder are town ("people missing from this list [of non-posters] are my townreads").
Also, you didn't respond to the first part of that post. Why are you posting against asking about townreads here before willingly (to the extent of "in your next post after being asked") posting your own??no.-
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In post 987, Cheery Dog wrote:In post 981, xtopherusD wrote:Also, you didn't respond to the first part of that post. Why are you posting against asking about townreads here before willingly (to the extent of "in your next post after being asked") posting your own??
I have nothing against people stating their townreads, and find that is in fact helpful, however giving the reasons for the townreads I believe is more useful for scum.
I don't think I've heard that view before. I always have thought that posting who you think is "towniest" just gives scum an idea of how to cause the most damage with their night kill. Why does town want to know town's townreads??
Also... If knowing people's townreads is helpful to the town, why did you post a nulllist and not a townlist?no.-
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If you've already given who you think is Town, isn't it more helpful for people to be able to contest why you think that? If you've thought one way about something and you've thought about it wrong in some way, wouldn't you want to know, to then be more helpful to the town?
Then...
You're taking Porfervor seriously??
And do null players deserve to be killed for neither being town nor scum?
Also, it's a pretty long list. Wouldn't you agree that it would be preferable to keep a null list as minimal as possible, even if you have to completely change your reads?no.-
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What kind of situation calls for you to feel "required" to give reasons? What drastic thing would have to happen for you to decide that you want to attest to your read??In post 992, Cheery Dog wrote:If I feel it is required for me to give reasons, then yes, otherwise no.
I think I've essentially become the dayvig fodder if Porfervor is able to turn on someone who doesn't believe him/them, Dog.Cheery Dog wrote:I was dayvigged recently in another game by someone I didn't believe, and since that happened I am currently believable of those who apparently claim vig.
I will lower my null list when it gets possible, currently there are too many inactives to get clear reads.
Therehasto be a point where people who are staying in the null list too long start being scummy for staying out of the radar. And the thing is, you've been doing exactly that for some time now! And when confronted about it, you've stayed indecisive and vague about things. Is there seriouslyno onethat you would see lynched other than someone who decided to claim scum?? Or Nacho... who you have "bad vibes" about.no.-
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In post 996, Cheery Dog wrote:In post 994, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 974, Cheery Dog wrote:I did have the same bad vibes when I read the post, and looking over his ISO, I couldn't find where I actually had good vibes coming from him.
"hi nacho is scum for calling him town and then calling him scum"
"oh wait nacho is scum, i was wrong when I called him town"
GET OUT
YOU ARE SCUM
oh yeah and the fact that you find me scummy for doing what you did (except I actually gave reasons for one of my switches, I think)
I never called you town, I had thought there were some good vibes from somewhere else beforehand (but I think it might have been someone else's post) which is why you were in the null list and not out by yourself in a scum section.
Got ninja'd by this. The real problem here is the lack of a "scum section" altogether!
What do you think of Nacho?? Is he good or is he evil? Give me two words. The first will be "He's" and the second has to be four letters. There, you don't have to make a decision on how to say it, at least.no.-
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@Cheery Dog.
So your main scumreads are Nachomamma and Paschendale? Are they just so terrible that a vig shot is too humane for them to go?? I guess they're justsohorrible that nothing short of a lynch mob can truly put them to justice, then?
And you cannot be serious about the doubly-aligned hydra idea. What the hell do you think of Titan? Don't fucking tell me he's cake.no.-
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You didn't think that in the confirmation phase post. Here is what Titan's second (???) head said:In post 85, Titan wrote:He [the first head] sometimes says things without thinking and speculates about the setup far too much.
You saidIn post 86, Cheery Dog wrote:So half your hydra is scum?
Can you honestly tell me that that post was not a joke? Because your #1001 implies that it was not. Your #1005 also hints that you picked up on different "vibes", when it's clearly seen right here that Titan's "good" head pointed you straight to them.
And now that Titan's done this strange vote-switching thing, why are you even calling back to the confirmation phase? [#1001] What does your joke suspicion from back then have to do with who you seriously think is scum now??no.-
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I agree that the confirmation phase is as much a part of this game as anything else. However, answering a current question with a reference to something that was over 900 posts ago and with no visible continuation is nearly as bad as dodging a question or ignoring it altogether.
How did the joke become serious? What kind of a sick joke is this??
And how do you know that Titan's Rational HeadTM won't come along and change your mind again??
So do you think that Titan is scum? This is a yes/no question.
If yes, why is the two-headed dilemma so vital two being up? If not, why did you say that you would be "happy for them to be lynched as well"?
buldermar. This would probably be correct. I have not had a chance to read through what happened again. However, the faction of the deduction is not the issue here. The issue is the deduction, and the way you went about achieving it.no.-
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No, I actually couldn't! It's the entire thing! All of your posts between 773 until like 854 are this gambit thing! Which if you're town is just terribad!buldermar wrote:Could you quote the part you find problematic?
As I said. Reaction fishing can never be in any way safe. And you did a quick and dirty 90 minute fish that caught you a single suspected Town read.
(and you can see some of my other posts about my views on townhunting :/ )no.-
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Trains of thought do not work in retrospect ever. Nor does seriousness. Old jokes don't become serious when you want them to. Don't come out with crap like that again.In post 1020, Cheery Dog wrote:
It became serious because I actually started considering Titan possible scum. If I am considering someone possible scum, all my interactions with them become more serious even if they weren't at the time.
What the hell question are you on about? Also... Even though it's two people posting, it's still the one player. "figuring out the alignment of a hydra" should be the same as "figuring out the alignment of a player". There should be no difference in the way you read them. You cannot vote for just Arthur, or for just Tammy, so you can't treat them as separate players.Cheery Dog wrote:In post 1014, xtopherusD wrote:
And how do you know that Titan's Rational HeadTM won't come along and change your mind again??
I don't, that's the fun trying to figure out the alignment of a hydra. (and if the rational head does change my mind again, the question will have become a joke again (you can still consider it a joke now if you like, but in my mind it's currently a serious question)
Cheery Dog wrote:In post 1014, xtopherusD wrote:
So do you think that Titan is scum? This is a yes/no question.
If yes, why is the two-headed dilemma so vital two being up? If not, why did you say that you would be "happy for them to be lynched as well"?
Yes.
and I don't understand what else you are asking here, so also yes to that.
The second question was not a yes/no question, but I'll attribute your ignorance to my auto correct. The sentence should read
"If yes, why is the two-headed dilemma so vital to bring up now?"
Since you think that Titan is scum, why did you feel the need to mention your early post about Titan's heads' alignments??no.-
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Trains of thought do not work in retrospect ever. Nor does seriousness. Old jokes don't become serious when you want them to. Don't come out with crap like that again.In post 1020, Cheery Dog wrote:
It became serious because I actually started considering Titan possible scum. If I am considering someone possible scum, all my interactions with them become more serious even if they weren't at the time.
What the hell question are you on about? Also... Even though it's two people posting, it's still the one player. "figuring out the alignment of a hydra" should be the same as "figuring out the alignment of a player". There should be no difference in the way you read them. You cannot vote for just Arthur, or for just Tammy, so you can't treat them as separate players.Cheery Dog wrote:In post 1014, xtopherusD wrote:
And how do you know that Titan's Rational HeadTM won't come along and change your mind again??
I don't, that's the fun trying to figure out the alignment of a hydra. (and if the rational head does change my mind again, the question will have become a joke again (you can still consider it a joke now if you like, but in my mind it's currently a serious question)
Cheery Dog wrote:In post 1014, xtopherusD wrote:
So do you think that Titan is scum? This is a yes/no question.
If yes, why is the two-headed dilemma so vital two being up? If not, why did you say that you would be "happy for them to be lynched as well"?
Yes.
and I don't understand what else you are asking here, so also yes to that.
The second question was not a yes/no question, but I'll attribute your ignorance to my auto correct. The sentence should read
"If yes, why is the two-headed dilemma so vital to bring up now?"
Since you think that Titan is scum, why did you feel the need to mention your early post about Titan's heads' alignments??no.-
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Tazaro has now triple posted crap (that really doesn't need to be said), switched votes without any explanation (because they couldn't be bothered reading torgonitoh's posts [even after being all like "You'd be surprised at how much I've read the thread look at me I'm amazing"]), and just generally spammed.
I'll just leave this here, then?BUt[sic] it's not just me that there's been spam for days., like torgonitoh.Guess who does that scum
*slithers away once more*no.-
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Oh yeah and I haven't said anything about Cheery Dog.
After all that I think his logic is sound. He really should be putting a lot more effort into the game, but I think that everything he said kinda fits and is just lazy town.
@Cheery: I know you play mysterious and aloof just to avoid getting hurt... Don't.no.-
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Ouch, I feel pain! The pain consumes me and I feel it! I am overwhelmed with the pain of a single non-vote! My pain is painful and
Yeah okay
Why are you wanting to kill me? This is the problem with this game. Everyone just acts as if they can kill whomever they please for whatever reason they don't come up with.
So yeah. Question. Above.
P-Edit: Yeah just remove the 'non-' from the first bit.no.-
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(it actually is the first time Pandorica)
In response to all the "your post is bad and you should feel bad"... Well, thanks Maenara for some explanation, at least.
All I'm saying is that Tazaro shouldn't be jumping in and pointing out things that are wrong with other people while simultaneously and at the same time doing the same thing, just in a different form.
Also doing things like not bothering to read a user's posts is just being difficult. And I don't think that being difficult can find the people we have to get rid of?no.-
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Guh?no.-
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That makes a little more sense. (link for those who want to read it)
I'm not sure there was a complete focus on defense in that post? It was my first non-confirmation-phase post, and I had just seen that Titan had mentioned me a couple times. I wanted to clear the water there (which was simply about "forced posting" and "annoying username").
Then I voted.
Then I posted of the strange claims found in the confirmation phase.
For a start, a vote is not focused on defence...
But is the rest of that post really too defensive? I'd say that that's one of the least defensive posts I've made, so I don't know what that says to youno.-
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Oh.
I hope you've noticed the post where I explained that a bit more? I "was giving a forewarning of what I'm going to be like in this game" and on the site. Note this is my first game here; I was just pointing out that the "forced posting" was most likely going to just be normalposting!no.-
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Okay, so nearly half the playerlist is voting for one of Tazaro and Cheery Dog.
If we wanted a lynch on anyone except them, we would need all of the other players to vote for one person. And with five people (probably) being replaced, it's not going to happen.
It's been a week. There have been 45 pages posted in that time. We've squeezed day one almost completely dry. We need a lynch.
And it's essentially now impossible for it to be anyone except for Tazaro. So far all the players voting for him have posted and not unvoted since the replace.
[Zeta (!)*, AurorusVox (!), Pandorica (!), Phillammon (!), torgonitoh, Noir, Titan (!), Porfervor (!), BT (), Sunshine and Rainbows (!)]
I don't think there's any other option.
VOTE: Tazaro
And that's still only L-5. If we want to continue the day then we can still continue the day. I just think it's getting ridiculous is all.
* The (!) means they've voted Taz, or definitively reaffirmed their vote on his slot, since then.
Woah, okay, ninja'd by a vote off Tazaro and onto... AurorusVox. Who now has two votes. You've got to be kidding me.no.-
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There are way too many posts. There are now up to 5 people being replaced out, and we know at least one of them has asked to be replaced due to the length of the thread.
Replacements aren't fun to deal with. I mean, for a start... they have to read through all of the thread in one go, and I know how hard and brain-frying even 17 pages was. And it's worse in this game than others, because there is such a terrible signal-to-noise ratio.
I think we just need to get into playing the game, and get over the one-liners and the pointlessness and the difficulty of reading. And I believe that that can start to be achieved by moving into N1. After some real stuff happens, then we can talk.no.-
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Just on my phone at the moment, so quoting and thorough reading won't be happening for a few hours. But I'm going to try to explain a little on a few things I picked up on in my skimming...
I didn't roleblock Porfervor. I'm not a roleblocker, and Porfervor isn't a Vig. I never believed they were. You can see that in my posts, if you decided to read up on it. Being killed by Porf wasn't a thing I was worried about.
About me not posting? It's as simple as my living in a different timezone. If people were awake at the same time as me then I could post more. Remember my questioning of Cheery Dog? I think I posted a decent amount there. He's in a similar timezone. I was able to post multiple posts without triple posting at any stage.
And then if I bring up something from three pages ago (see: when I was not even awake from the last night), there's the general consensus of "he's talking about useless and now redundant things". And when I feel like I can't post right, I will post less. I've already said things along these lines
I'm also liking the sudden scum reads on me today, just because of Porf's post. I mean, I was leaning town (a little) from Titan yesterday, and after that night and that one post I'm apparently his biggest scum read. I haven't looked at it properly yet, but it seems like its going to be interesting.
Also: Noir didn't say very much about anyone, IIRC. I will also read up on that.
As a terrible site note, I also like how "> Jack: Be Hearts Boxcars" makes more sense here than anywhere else
As I said, on a computer later today, so I'll read through and talk about things other than me in six hours or so. I'll probably also talk about myself to some extent but that can't be helped.no.-
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Question: Does everybody agree that we don't want to mislynch?
If you answered no, screw you. But if you answered yes, you'll agree that we don't want to lynch town.
How do we avoid lynching Town? We make sure that scummy things actually originate from scum. How does that happen? Discussion. What's the core of discussion? Having substance to discuss. Why do I bring this up now? Well...
This is useless. 958 was a long post. Saying "it means he should die" cannot lead to discussion. No discussion means a higher chance of a mislynch.I still want xtoph dead after his 958.
So, Maenara. In the interests of the Town, what is the problem you do have with that post?no.-
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Ack. That was Zdenek not Maenara. That post that I addressed to Maen is actually @Zdenek.
Brood I have mentioned that I can't read the thread very well at all at the moment so I'm not mentioning everything. People voting me for the Tazaro vote is a big point that I don't want to skim over on my phone. Give me a couple of hours.
Yeah I'm going to leave this thread alone until I can read everything properly and not respond to things that people haven't said.no.-
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In post 1589, DeasVail wrote:Xtoph: Regarding 1536, why wouldn't you just say that since we don't want a mislynch, we shouldn't lynch you?
You mean to tell me that if I were to say I would be a mislynch, you'd believe me and move on?
Saying it how I did meant that Zdenek and the rest of the players could read and see where I'm coming from. I phrased it in an objective way so that no matter who you believe is scum you will agree that Zdenek's comment was not actually helpful. Everything I said in that post is common knowledge. If I say "I am Town", that's not common knowledge (and therefore has no basis), doesn't help anyone, and is just as bad as what I was trying to call out.no.-
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I do like the idea of Felt malpascalp. Especially with posts like 713, 731 ("oh but it wasn't very strong so I don't really mind if he's lynched"), 1204 (as you noted, Z). But your going on about it is getting on my nerves and making me think either a) You're making a big deal out of nothing or b) You're scum with him and bussing him as hard as possible. Or both, they work together.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised on a {Tazaro/Pandorica/malpascp/Zeta/buldermar} Felt team. malp's interactions with Taz/Pasch and Pandorica are surprisingly similar to those with buldermar. Z manages to not ever say a single thing on buld's claim. buldermar manages to never comment on Zeta. Zeta manages to not comment on Cheery Dog until D2 (meaning there's been a night for scumchat) when buldermar starts pushing CD, even then only saying he's a suboptimal lynch [and 1595 reinforces this idea]. buldermar only started pushing CD after Pandorica couldn't any more.
But continuing with malp: Pandorica's 405 and 430 (both Nexus) are extremely similar reactions to Paschendale and malpascp.
I could continue but I can't think straight any more so I may be back at some stage. But for now, I'll humour ζ and
VOTE: malpascpno.-
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I understand that there is no way that anyone could come to that conclusion with any sort of certainty. Nor that I could currently convince you of it. So I voted malpascp because the rest of that thought will probably need to be looked into, but not now.
So. I get it's silly. But I thought I might mention what I was thinking. Better now than when I'm right on being killed. Was also a thing I wanted to mention before malpascp is lynched.no.-
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